Foreign Got a good one um I was watching an interview Vlad TV Mr Roland Martin from Roland Martin unfilter was going to give him his take on our pledging and hazing so today I had to bring two people who were qualified to talk about that as well as myself Roland Martin was
On Vlad saying that pledging I’m sorry The Hazing he thought it was absolutely stupid um he said that he is a life member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity and he um got there without allowing anyone to quote and quote hit him okay he stated that um he doesn’t understand why you
Have to be beaten so I personally do not like that statement because he made an assumption that hazy involves being beaten so to me he kind of looked at he looked at it as worst case scenario
Um and my biggest issue is I do not feel that he’s qualified to make that um assumption or those comments since he states that he never was hazed so how can you talk about something that you’ve never done you’re not qualified to really talk about it so you’re giving out misinformation and
I’m big on that because Roland Martin he um stands behind the fact that he even said on his interview he deals with facts so therefore what facts does he have if he’s never um hazed I mean I’m sorry if he’s never been quoting quote Hayes as he says or beaten as he says
Um so uh that’s my take on that like I said me personally I think that he is he was articulately um describing his fear of the Pledge process of one like I said one of which he really didn’t
Understand so what y’all think about that I know B I know you saw the interview what’d you think man yeah I look at the whole interview like it’s his opinion I don’t take it as he’s like I don’t I didn’t take it as he’s like I took it as he’s condemning it personally
That’s his personal opinion about the things you know and that’s how I just received it you know uh I didn’t have anything I just it was his his personal experience led to his personal thoughts about it and that’s that’s his that’s his perspective of it right right
So you okay but his oh that’s cool his perspective of it so it’s like his perspective it’s like um you know if you you know if you haven’t seen the interview it was just 40 minutes see you know it’s
Like 20 minutes of the whole interview right but um from what I got out of it the school he went to the chapter he pledged at that was just their class process it just didn’t involve a physical
Part and that’s just her his experience I didn’t take it as like he could have chose or they was like yo we gonna do this and do that and he was like nah like I’m not doing that because that’s
Stupid you know what I’m saying I just think he didn’t do it because that’s not what they did and now his opinion you know if we went to other chapters and he could see this other stuff he can now look at that from his
Lenses all right now so I don’t I don’t know if I’m I think whoever interviewed him asked to drive a cross pledge and I don’t know I don’t know I don’t remember him really um going in specific
With that but from my understanding is if there was quote unquote hazing going on which physical hazing was involved he said I guess he wouldn’t have any letters right now like you said his chapter as I’ve heard him say before my chapter doesn’t Haze but my take on the interview and it’s
Just it’s not really my take he he spoke as if he and his Line brothers were revolutionaries who went there and basically let them know you are not going to do this to us that’s how he came across
An interview and I’m positive about that because I watched it and I’ve listened to him um I will say that Roland Martin to me is equivalent to as I’ve said before the football player who states that
I want to be on the football team but I refuse to take part into it in two days which two days is like The Hazing process for being on the football team right also what I did I tried to look up to
See I know he was on academic scholarships so uh kudos to him you know I mean for that and also as I said before I’ll say again I respect I don’t like I don’t really care for him too much but I do
Um admire his his uh his arrogance and his confidence right but what I did was I looked him I said let me see something let me see if he was an athlete in any way so I kind of tried
To Google it see if he played any sport I really didn’t find any um evidence of that and I said he didn’t I didn’t find any evidence and maybe that’s why he talks that way um about and it’s funny I
Kind of I wonder if that’s why he talks that way about hazel because it’s like okay you know if you play sports it’s kind of like saying he said but you know they’re making you run 20 miles or
Something like that right which is Extreme right but if you join across the cross country track team you run miles if you play football you run win Sprints and you do Hamburg drills and you do
Ball in the ring and you do um uh you know uh you do 100 yard uh Sprints and things like that right so I wonder maybe if like I said him not being an athlete maybe uh that made him understand or
Made him look at hazing as such a negative thing because it doesn’t have to be a negative thing you know what I’m saying Eric we didn’t even get you in here man what you what you got to say
First we got I guess officially a lot of fraternities or sororities are going to deem anything that’s not sanctioned by them that’s hazy right so there’s no distinction between hazing versus pledging right so I think first that has to be cleared up so maybe the negative aspect
Is hazing which is what we all would deem to be like not good like beating people sending people to the hospital but hazing versus Pleasant that’s not pledging is not the same thing as hazing so I think when these people are getting on here talking about you know pledging they’re using
The word hazing which is the negative part of it so I think that has to be cleared up first right so I think all of us would agree that nobody deserves to be sent to the hospital or to have
You know so some girl on this podcast is saying that we agree with Pleasant which is a process meant to bring about certain things right but absolutely you do not condone people being Haze or brutalized and stuff like that right so we all know that we all agree on that right right
Right so what I was saying is like this a good example would be this right the making of a Navy SEAL a lot of people might say you know why do they have to go through this you know who would
Let who would go through this type of mental physical torture right and from the outside in we some of us might say like Roland Martin that’s not necessary why would any man subject himself to that type of abuse torture I mean people have died trying to become Navy Seals right but the
U.S military continues to do that because guess what they found there is no other way for it to be done but through that process right because they know what the mission is they know what kind of jobs these people are going to come across so this is the process that they have to
Go through so I would say the same thing when it comes to pledging how do you take a group of men who don’t know each other and get them to kind of bond and to to be able to move as one unit you can’t do that by going through a two weekend process
And then signing a piece of paper and now all of a sudden we’re all supposed to be bonded we’re all supposed to have this strong Brotherhood where we have each other’s back that does not happen there’s no other way to do it that’s one aspect of it to create that Brotherhood
You have to go through some type of adversity to be able to force that Bond the second thing is somebody like Roland Martin or anybody else who didn’t go through a process okay you might under
You might be able to quote the uh poem Invictus but you can’t relate to it because you haven’t gone through any type of that first I just wanted to yeah I agree with both of you I mean it’s
Everybody’s perspective it’s all perspective but you know if I was like if it was if this was the debate and I would imagine Roland Martin would say you know you can’t it’s like a blanket statement
You can’t say like he didn’t go through a process or implying that you know it’s just his process which is different than yours yours was different than mine everybody got a different process um and it doesn’t have to involve does the different levels of physicality or you know
Punishment or yelling you know like maybe he got you know he didn’t do something about mental like getting mentally broke down and that’s kind of why he implies he got mentally broke down you know it
Didn’t have to be physically broke down but you know I agree with you I mean just totally but uh you know that’s like a that’s like an easy way to combat that you know because I’m sure he went through especially 89 like he probably went through some adversity No Doubt like adversity
Doesn’t have to come through the physical it could just be just be hey y’all just gotta like stay in the same room for three days you know what I’m saying like that’s all that’s all you don’t
Have to be like hold on so so now so maybe says what they actually said was because I I’m big on actually put Eric on the Navy Seals like that they serious um they said we test we use your body to
Test your mind is what they said okay um so that’s one number two rolling actually when you listen to him talk about his I guess his experience or his you know him being excuse me him being an alpha
Roland didn’t make any mention of he says you know what he did when he pledges people he believes in testing your mind he never said actually he makes his scene when you talk that remember he just I
Told this guy I’ma beat your ass and I told this person that and I told this person this he doesn’t know of course he’s not good I mean he didn’t go into detail but I don’t know if there’s any detail
He can go into because every detail he tells is about what you know him being just this guy who just you know he didn’t talk about him being mentally broke down he didn’t say anything he said he’ll try to break somebody down mentally he never said that that’s what he experienced because every
Story he told was about him being braggadocious now again I’m for that if that’s fact that’s fine you know I can’t be there to verify but there’s no you know I told you I have no problem with him
Being arrogant about his story but what what is he saying like he said he he keeps assuming that hazing involves being beat like being gang jump being gang raped and you know and you know that’s that’s what he’s implied he didn’t imply I mean that’s experience that’s my opinion no doubt he
Sounds I don’t even say he’s saying that’s crazy but if you just imagine like it’s hard for me to imagine if I went to a college and that’s just their process right I don’t know no better I’m 18.
I don’t know better so I went through this process then I go to other yards I’m like oh what is wood it’s almost like what is that like what is this what is that because that’s your experience and
I think over the years if that would happen about when he was 20 in over 30 40 years he’s just that stories get longer and longer and I think these stories of him telling people off you know they probably wasn’t that dramatic but over 30 years he’s just like
You know how old has do they wax poetic about all the stuff they wanted us about to do but they be like but y’all can’t do that but you know I had to walk this and I had to take a million strokes and
I had to do this and this and that but y’all can’t do it and we gonna respect y’all just as much and we’ve been like no you not like no you’re not like you’re not going to let me participate
In any of y’all’s conversations you want to think I’m lesser than I mean I think that’s how roller Martin is on the opposite right like waxing poetic about this like holier than thou process
And I just think it’s just getting long in the tooth like as far as like like being a tall tale yeah and say it again it’s being that right he’s telling yeah he’s telling Tales I believe like um
I’m not mad at the man but I thought I I thought his interview was comical it was so everything was so comical about it because you know what I’m saying he’s just so grandiose and maybe my my word ain’t right but yeah so so okay so maybe everybody needs to understand that hazing
Do you have bad scenarios okay you have bad police right and every interaction I’ve had with the police don’t mean you’re gonna get killed all right every interaction you have um in in the courtroom don’t mean you’re gonna get life from prison um you know uh uh so every time
You pledge or get hazed it doesn’t mean you’re gonna die you’re gonna get unnecessarily beat for no reason and you know and abuse so again that’s what he he is implying that every time you Haze anybody who hazes everybody goes through that unnecessary beating that’s what he that’s what
He implies that’s exactly what he implied that’s what he implies all the time and you know we all went through a process right you gotta you got to think about how somebody like rollermark thinks
The first thing he’ll say to that is give me a time when it’s necessary to be beat you know what I’m saying I’m agreeing but this is like that’s the easy rebuttal to that argument okay when is
A when is a beating ever necessary I mean do we want to answer that question no I mean you can take it rhetorically or you can answer it I’m just saying like that’s the rebuttal to your argument
Is that you know you’re almost saying that there’s some necessary beatings okay so then if somebody come back like name me a necessary no no that’s actually not let me tell you I’m gonna tell you
What that’s not even good because he is the word beat he used the word beat I never use the word beat he used the word he assumed everything’s a beating we said okay what we talk about is there’s
A mental and a physical aspect push-ups is a physical right yeah push-ups are a physical aspect right right right um uh like you is your word like the wood is a physical aspect right now according to him no and then he mentioned running he even mentioned 200 miles that’s what I’m sounding crazy
That sounded like a tall tale that’s what I’m saying it sounds like something he didn’t even know about exactly my point right he assumed he made this assumption this blanket statement about something he’s not qualified to talk about because he didn’t go through it so physical he he is he
Used the word I didn’t let anyone hit me okay you can use the word hit and let anyone beat me he he makes it seem like when you think about that he makes it seem like you go into a room you get into
A line and people just start beating on you for no reason to see how tough you are that’s not how it that’s not now I know I’m pretty sure that’s happened in some situations right that’s not what hazing means though that’s not what pledging or hazing means that’s not what the process
Necessarily means that’s what his assumption is based off of a couple of bad news reports he’s heard because he ain’t he I’m pretty sure he ain’t never been in a room where that’s happened because remember his chapter don’t even play so he didn’t take part in that so where are you getting this
From where like where is he getting that idea from from he’s been in those rooms you think so yeah yeah okay so then then maybe he needs to tell the truth because that’s not what he says does
He have to yeah I think so but yes you do when you when you talk the way he talked about it because because let’s say he did let’s say he has been in those rooms that’s hypocritical as hell because if
You’re so against that why would you even be in in a room you just watched the interview right so you got to school me I’m I mean I watched a couple days ago so when he’s describing when he went I
Think it seemed like another yard and he went to a set and I I think he mentioned like I chose not to do anything physical I chose to teach him something which implied that that was a
Physical set and maybe he he went in there like while I’m in here there’s nothing crazy going on and when I leave whatever y’all whatever y’all do y’all could do that’s what it made me seem that’s
What it seemed like I don’t know did y’all agree with that I didn’t get that um I might I could be wrong but again that’s hypocritical then because if you’re gonna sit here right and say all the
Time I don’t we don’t do my chat wrecks in that he’s on my chapter we don’t do that I went to another school and there was abroad he didn’t have any letters on first of all why did I have
To have letters on he don’t have any letters on he was talking to us and nobody knew who he was so I told him I’m a drop line beat your ass and get back online bro you’re not talking to if
You’re not going to be a pledge you’re not gonna be a sphinxman and talk that tough to somebody especially at another chapter that’s that’s not happening bro so he can stop he can stop the nonsense even I don’t care who you are if you’re remember because it’s all about humbling yourself
Right it’s all about humbling yourself right so so you’re telling me you was online and none of y’all were ever humble that doesn’t make sense that’s not even part of the process part of the process
Like I said if the whole purpose is to break you down and build you back up then he’d never he never told any story of where he was broken down and not not in that 20 minutes or 25 minutes he
Spoke okay very rarely when he talked to you ever hear him talk about being broken down so again ah he’s he’s he’s he’s he’s telling he’s telling like he’s on the front pores telling these little
Funny stories you know about how great he was now again I’m not against that if that’s the fact but I don’t I just I just don’t get it you know what I’m saying so um um like I said let’s go back to
The physical part he keeps saying physical I mean he keeps saying beating right man come on we’ve all we we pledged we did both and it wasn’t bad it wasn’t anything that he’s trying to imply it
Wasn’t it wasn’t that at all right it was it wasn’t that at all you know I mean we got the mental and we got the physical so that’s one thing that’s a misconception that the public may have
You know that don’t know which is like they don’t have to know but the misconception is that it’s all one blanket process and everybody goes the exactly the same thing there are organizations out there which is very much like that either the process is it even in most you know from
What I know from terms authorities even our processes should be very very similar like they’re laid out nationally they’re sent out this is the exact process used to happen and these are the days and the times and how she goes right but we all know that you know the gray areas
Separate all the chapters in every line within that chapter okay this is unique all right so let’s go let’s everybody tell the truth if okay okay now like something that Roland said which I agree what he say something he said getting getting quote unquote beat on or something like
That doesn’t make you a good man doesn’t make you a good Alpha okay we all know that right um we can all agree with that that means nothing right um um because as I said before
You have people who like Okay so at the end of the day let me ask you a question Brandon a person like okay now we know as as youth we were all we were all led to believe if you didn’t
Pledge saying that skating part if you didn’t you know I’m saying if you didn’t go through it you weren’t respected that’s what we was told when we when we were children right 23. yeah right so I was 19B pleasure it was 23. how old was you when you played
[ __ ] I don’t know probably 20 19 or 20. all right so now do you feel that in order to be respected right do you feel like the person has to have go through the physical and the mental or is
It okay just doing again nobody knows what Roland went through no because he didn’t really say I know he told his story about his folder his [ __ ] his famous folder story you know I’m saying about putting your folders on the table and grabbing your own folder and your
Phone is supposed to be uniform and you’re not supposed to be able to go on the table and recognize your folder from somebody else’s that was wonderful that was beautiful that was some [ __ ] to me I mean it was it was like okay you talking about folders right um it’s like okay
Put it in context like if I was young and I was thinking of a process I’m like that’s something I made incorporate that’s like some mental that’s that mental stuff like it’s not a bad you know
It does teach a lesson it does yeah but is that is that is is that as tough as it got though no it’s like it’s like like everybody’s process is different every every line is unique so um to answer your question so I could just take top of my personal perspective so
I got introduced to fraternities from movies and shows right through like school day things like school days things like uh different world also in my hometown they always had a classic you know you had a capital classic where the two hbcus and we see the bands and that was just like growing up
So when I got to college and it was time to to do it and they introduced it as hey we got this new process and we’re going to do it this way and this way and it was almost like like me and my friend
We were like what like you know all this time I wanted to do that like what they did in school days you know what I’m saying and they’re like nah we don’t do that no more and it was just like
It was weird so I think that’s where the respect for me it came from is like because I had somebody in that meeting a couple people just didn’t do it because of that like oh you know I mean they they
Wanted to do it because of that you know but you know because we chose the process so they they didn’t want to do it because we actually went through a process right and they chose not to do that and then that automatically like yo you’re wax you’re and I think that’s what that
Respect come from and it just grows and yeah yeah you do have that like yo you’re not this or that especially in the undergrad level I suppose so basically what you’re saying in a nutshell is there were people who strayed away because of the the of the fear of the physical process
Yes just like you just like the example you used earlier about two a days there’s some leagues that wanted to be on the football team and then after that first practice they didn’t want to be on the football team no more right and that’s that’s weak right that’s weak right
It’s like that football’s not for me and so it’s like Alpha’s not for me omega is not for me cap is not for me whatever is not for me you’re just making that choice like this is not for me okay
Hold on hold on now Navy Seals that I’m not a Navy sales so I you know I ain’t that qualified but I watched the buds um documentary okay so uh what basic underwater demolition I’m basic underwater demolition uh training okay you cannot be a Navy SEAL without going through that right right and
You know can I follow now is is using Navy Seals as a comparison to fraternities authorities is that cool yes I mean here’s what I’m saying it’s like really no no no no I’m not I’m not comparing it’s a good example man it’s like this because everything comes with an initiation phase
Whether it’s Sports whether it’s a job whether it’s school there’s still work that has to go into it that’s what that’s that’s about that’s not 300 so that’s the point I’m making so I’m not saying hey if uh Alpha Man In The Navy Solitude of the same thing that’s not what
I’m saying what I’m saying is if you’re straying away you want to be something but you want to be it under your on your own terms that’s basically what he’s he’s sounding like you’re going to do
It on and he said if you have any respect for yourself why would you let somebody do that again do what rolling because he didn’t go through it so he doesn’t even know what he’s talking
About he’s making an assumption you know what I’m saying that if you know as a man you know letting someone do this to you and letting someone do what tell me rolling what is being done because
You didn’t go through it you were talking about folders now the folder thing was nice don’t get it twisted but you’re sitting here talking about Folgers okay he can’t talk about anything else because he never went through it so you can’t you cannot do it you know what I’m saying like like we
Said before I played football someone who don’t play football we could talk football all day but when it comes down to it have you ever put on pads okay and took a handoff I have so if you really
Want to go through it you can’t talk about it like I can I can entertain your conversation you know as long as I feel like entertaining but when I want to actually break it down to you you can’t
Break it down like I can break it down because what I say before I was on Ground Zero I was there I was there I was involved you know what I’m saying these things I’ve been tackled before
You know what I’m saying and I’m not talking about backyard football I put on the pads I’ve been on in this thing you know and I’ve played on the crowds I’ve you know I played in the in
The heat in the dirt so I went through two a day I can tell you once now again two days of my school and two days at another school are different right but I can tell you about two days versus somebody
Who goes oh man you crazy I would never do that but no no because in two days this is what they do to y’all in two days well how would you know you wasn’t there you either quit or you didn’t um
Play because of Tuesday so I can tell you that no you’re you have this comic book idea of what two of these are okay right I can say a good example let me let me interject real quick so I told you I
Played that I played my senior year football right my only year and that’s the first year that they implemented like this thing in the state where or the city or whatever where they can’t do two days
Anymore I’m gonna let you finish that still throws me off because you graduated for me and that must have been a state thing because when I was that’s what I said I’m sure it was a state there and I
Think they like I think I think it went back so I remember all these things about two of the days and I almost like practice and then they get to practice like you know we’re not doing two days
Anymore it’s almost like damn you know now I can’t have these stories with all my friends talking about two of days where but this is like that’s just my process so I can’t rap to you about two
Of days I can rap to you about summer practices and it was hot but I didn’t have to do it twice so that’s just my perspective and I would never know your perspective on two days all right now pause
Now for for me and you but I wanted to do them but I wanted to do it okay so okay hold on so you’ve never done two of these okay so I’ve done two days for four years and I play that I’ma say it again I
Play that Frederick Douglass High School ladies and gentlemen if you ain’t played at Douglas you probably can’t play no way when I say play nowhere it was rough it was it was it was rough
No you can’t just play you can’t play for any high school and just think you’re gonna come and play for Douglas you’ll quit first practice you can play for Douglas and go anywhere else it’ll be
A breed that’s how that’s how rough our practices were right so now you I can’t say now you had no choice in the fact that they didn’t do two days but again that is not what he’s presenting he’s
Presenting I was not gonna let someone do this to me I was not me and my lbs wasn’t having me and my lbs were were this before we became uh before we became Elvis so was everybody on this
Phone we were somebody so what are you saying so because you know you’re you’re you’re you’re you’re number one was what do you say the band uh band somebody something in the band and I was this
And I was that and I was this what does it have to do with the place process because again you’re supposed to be humbling yourself anyways okay so again now if you go for the football team like
That’s what what Brett Favre used to do like later on his career he would come back after uh after uh what is it a a camp right um train after after he would come in he would sign up to training camp
His teammates didn’t respect him for that okay because you’re avoiding whether you’re old or not you’re avoiding the tough part you’re avoiding the bonding time which is the training camp Okay so if somebody comes to the team and goes I’m playing but I ain’t doing two days but I have no respect
For you because you’re avoiding the tough part this this is what we’re supposed to buy this is where you’re supposed to find out what you’re really made of you follow me and you’re avoiding that and Roland is that’s what he’s talking about so which which one is it rolling like
Did is it your chat did you want to pledge in your chapter didn’t or is it what you said which is you didn’t want to be pleased I’m not going to let anyone hit me I’m not gonna I’m gonna
Talk about folders you know what I’m saying like that’s what he was doing hey where you at right yeah I think one of the things y’all missing too is I mean one thing that the fraternity is preventing imposters from joining right so just like and that’s and that’s why I say the Navy
SEAL example is great right it’s a lot of people who want to be Navy SEALS or think they want to be Navy Seals right but they only want the best of the best right right so if they didn’t allow
That process to be like it was guess what it’d be all kinds of people getting to be Navy Seals and then when it came down to the real the real deal guess what they default think about this
Beat and y’all probably forgot about this I know I came there because we talked about all the time y’all y’all made two people quit now y’all make one person quit just off of a story so if they
If that go sign a paper you know do a little two weekend you know Kumbaya type of moment guess what that person would have been allowed into the fraternity a person who who quit just based off site out because of words that’s not what you want as
I’m saying that’s like we talking about Alpha like that’s what you want as a as the epitome somebody who could just be thought about herself from some words so I think part of it is like
First of all let’s weed out to people who ain’t strong mentally or fin let’s weed them out you know what I’m saying like so otherwise what makes our group different than any other group s hey hey
You got good grades you know say you seem like a good person because you got some people who are going to want to join just because like you said hey I seen how they were stepping on school
Days I want to be able to do I see how the ladies was looking how do you weed those people out who just want to do it for the glory or for the fame just just to just to Don the letters but go ahead
You know what I mean so I think that’s one aspect of it and the only way you can do that is to be tested mentally and physically second of all like I said how do you take people who don’t know it’s like I didn’t go to school remember I went to Duquesne
Y’all hey how do you say yeah yeah okay take a group of people who don’t know each other and get them to form a Brotherhood that’s gonna last a lifetime without having to go through
Happy I mean I mean I mean realtor don’t like the only reason we can sit here and laugh and joke now is be well I’m not but that’s what brought us all together be honest with you so
It’s like you know outside of that cause me like I said man we laugh all the time about you know about ilb you know everybody ain’t gonna say his name you know what I’m saying man he rest in peace
Um you know he he we was all on the same line but it was rougher for some than others you know what I’m saying and and but I’m pretty sure he appreciated what he went through and I appreciate
It um watching it be honest I mean being present I should not watching but being present therefore because it allowed me to bond with him and look at him and laugh and say man you made it through
Because you know he had he had some money he had some rough night Lord you know what I mean it was you know as a grown man we even even back then I used to laugh at it back then but it’s like you
Could laugh at it because guess what I saw you cry in front of me you know what I mean it’s like this so the bond yeah you got to have a bond like that’s why we made the decision we made it’s
Um I think and I think a majority like a high majority of members of all these organizations think just like you e like exactly like you it’s like yes but when you when you get into this organization when you start getting into lawsuits and money well that’s when everything
Changes it’s just this is different because you know like I said y’all’s process was successful because my process was successful so I just you just keep it going and I’m proud this you know it just keeps on going it’s supposed to go like that but some you know we’ve all witnessed some crazy
Processes yeah and heard some crazy stories that should not be happening but it’s just like yeah and it’s just like it’s hard to you know yeah go ahead don’t be what you do is you don’t
Just snap it you figure out like how to fix it you know what I mean but I get it you know when lawsuits like you said lawsuits but lawsuits and stuff like that so that’s why we said like we’re not talking about beating people and doing crazy stuff and but there should be
Something to where you have to work like think about it you really cannot appreciate something that you didn’t work right that’s to be honest writers don’t mean nothing if you didn’t work it’s impossible that’s fine that’s impossible that’s fast and I think what it stands and
To bring it back the world of learning I just think it stings you know my son you ask or whomever you know it’s a controversial statement I just think it seems because people
Tend to try to put world of Martin on like the top of this like the black community like he’s the the voice of the black society so it’s like if others hear him saying this they’ll just assume that he
Is the voice of us and that’s what made it kind of like feel weird to me what I’m listening to was like maybe there’s some regular dude on Vlad something just random that you don’t really know
But this is like Roland Martin he has like he’s Mr black person and I don’t want others listening to him thinking that I share his thoughts on everything and I always thought that’s your you
Know I mean beef with him too hot no like on this one like I say I my beef were rolling came came from the fact that I watched the man and I don’t respect anyone who doesn’t who can’t listen to
Other people talk that’s just he he he he claims he’s so smart but he can’t listen I think that’s stupid I think that’s weak and then my thing with him with his comment was you talk about you deal
With facts okay well the fact of the matter is you’ve never hate you’ve never you you you said you online whatever the hell he said he did he’s a alpha five but you’re speaking again like I keep saying you’re speaking on something you’ve never participated in you you don’t know
Nothing about so again that’s not factual that’s that’s my issue that’s that’s my only issue like my other issue with him about how he conducts the show that’s I don’t I don’t combine it too I just think it’s clownish for somebody to sit on here and talk about how you know I’m
Not gonna do this I’m not gonna do that I’m just sorry you’re not gonna come into if if I have a a you’re gonna go to the boxing gym and what you’re going to tell the trainer hey man I ain’t running
I Want To Be A Champion but I’m not going to run I’m not sparring I’m not doing anything it’s going to go my way or you can keep the glove right now he’s making a scene again he that obviously only
Went through because hey you know maybe like I said a chapter you you you you pledged that that was allowed okay that was it had to be allowed because but again you’re talking as if you went
In there and changed the whole Narrative of alpha of the you know at that chapter you know what I’m saying me and my I was we changed we wasn’t going for this we wasn’t going for that come on bro obviously obviously some something ain’t right about that situation it’s not making sense
It’s not bad enough it’s like it’s like this you know the people you know the brothers to be like not bro it’s just you know black people in general and they’ll make a comment like I would never be a
Slave like I would never let myself be a slave or I would always be trying to escape every day like you’re like you know the only reason you’re saying that because you was never a slave right right
That’s it like so you know if he’s coming from a perspective like you know what I’m saying like he was never played so you can’t identify with it and you you can’t make assumptions yeah and and like
And again and that’s hypocritical for someone who goes out he said it on that interview I deal with facts okay me personally if you sh you know ran away from the mental and physical part of pledging
I think that’s weak I think that was fear and I think that I mean he’s I’m pretty sure he’s a good he does good for the organization I’m not saying that but I think he needs to
Well for the facts let’s get this clear did he run away or he just that’s just not what his chapter did again we don’t know because one on one instance that’s not what his chapter did
When you listen to him talk that’s not what I was going to allow happen to me so he that’s I don’t know yeah that’s what yeah I think that’s the tall tale that’s that okay so I had a you
Know I had a tumultuous relationship with our bad chapter when I was an undergrad but I just remember there was just one chap uh grand chapter bruh and he was a grandchild you know he went
Grand so he didn’t you know he didn’t pledge undergrad he was just he was the same age as me like you know he would talk so he would talk almost like Roland’s talking about pledging like
In chapter meetings and but this is like and I brought it up you know I was like how are you talking about pleasure but you never pledged and he’s just like you know I got friends who did it
You know you know seen it being witnessed and then he was one of the dudes that made you all not y’all but you know made some dudes like wash cars and you know Iron clothes so it’s
Like but you didn’t participate in this but now you want to like sir you know subject people to it so yeah you know you got those kind of people everywhere and I just kind of I think Roland
Martin kind of comes on comes across as that guy the guy who pledged grad which is dope but never you know you didn’t have a physical you didn’t have a pledge process did he play his Greg
No he didn’t all right I want to say he did it but my point he just sounds like that oh he sounds like that guy that you know when grad when he was like 56 and now I want to just talk bad about the
Young boy’s pleasure you know they always as the young boys is looking at y’all like shut the hell up again y’all ain’t nobody talking about no beating no like I said we ain’t talking about no gang initiation he’s afraid to go through a balance uh process that tested your mind and your
Body Okay and like I said ladies and gentlemen that can happen and it can be it’s not it’s not what Roland Martin assumes that it is okay so um like I said every situation you go into has a good
They can be um anomalies where it’s bad situations but that’s anything I mean you can get into a car accident you can have a fender bender and you have a fatal accident right so um you know like I said
Every every situation isn’t the same you know I mean and so I don’t want people thinking that you listen to Roland Martin that hazing means you’re getting unnecessarily beaten we three people on this phone who represent Alpha Phi Alpha can take that that’s not what it is and we know for a fact
Because we we were there okay and we participated in a balanced situation you know I mean a balanced I mean it’s I guess pledging hazing situation so what y’all got y’all got any final words I would just say um you know it’s just all perspective you know everybody has a different
Perspectives you know I got a lot of friends that are in sororities and fraternities and everybody that’s what makes the conversation so dope and so interesting because everybody has their different perspective on their different yards in a different part of the
The United States or abroad and what they had to go through you know it’s anybody that you meet like you know they play football before in high school you know that um is a gamer and you you know or they was in the anime you know y’all just have like shared experiences and
I just I can assumed that he was probably in a lot of circles where they’re talking about their pledge process and he couldn’t participate in those reindeer games you just couldn’t because he was scared and he might have grown a little bitter because of it and he had to eat I feel
Like he he came across like he oh he always had to defend his process like he always had to defend it and like step up and like I’m just as good as an outfit as everybody else that went through this
Process and this is why like that’s like that’s a hundred percent how it came across to me like he just had to defend this process his whole life and it just got to this point where he’s
Just like if you did that you stupid that’s what I think yeah thanks for listening what you got e Eric hey yeah what you got what’s your what’s your part in words [Music] I would just like to say like like again just uh before anybody takes advice and
Draws conclusions make sure you just take that advice from people who’ve actually gone through um but they’re talking about uh just to keep an open mind and like I said uh you know just I think it takes a certain process for anything in order for a person to appreciate something and that’s it
All right we out of here y’all [Music] foreign [Music] [Applause]
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