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Well I think the masquerading of politics part comes from the youthful idiots in the west who just refuse to see Hamas for what it is uh which is uh a terror group from the same ideological Origins historically as the Islamic State and carrying out the same types of
Methods on the same types of victims um you know yesterday was a particularly Grim Day with you know babies found beheaded children found beheaded uh men women and children the El corpses mounting up even the death toll hasn’t been correctly assessed yet because new bodies are being being found
All the time uh the atrocities are similar in approach in nature and in ideology to that perpetrated by ISIS and indeed by Al-Qaeda all three have roots in the Muslim Brotherhood which is influenced heavily by Nazi propaganda in the Middle East during the second world war now this really I think is no
Exaggeration to say that it’s uh the worst Jihadi atrocity in history certainly against any western style democracy it needs to be recognized as such there’s been some comparisons with 911 but this is bigger than 911 proportionately the number of Israelis killed in that very small population is equivalent to about
7,500 deaths in Britain and and that’s the point isn’t it actually Jake when you compare it to London which is about the same size in population to the whole of Israel if a thousand londoners were killed and Slaughter on our streets in the space of 3 days I mean we would be
Utterly utterly outraged as well as being very very fearful and demanding serious Revenge serious retribution what is the greater emotion at the moment uh in Israel Jake is it fear is it revenge or a huge combination of the two well there are extraordinary pictures coming out of Israel last night
Of people in their apartment blocks singing uh cheering flashing their lights on and off reminiscent a little bit of what happened during coid when people expressed solidarity in that public way so they’re trying to raise the morale across the country the thing is you know the Jews are an ancient
People and this is not new for us these massacres these atrocities uh evoke memories of the pograms of Eastern Europe and Russia evoke memories of course of Nazi Germany and the einat group and who went from Village to Village shooting people and even further back into medieval times as well so we
Have long memories of this kind of treatment and the Advent of Israel changed the attitude of Jews but no longer are we going to see ourselves as the victims or go like Lambs to the slaughter but we’re going to uh stand up and fight back and so I think that
Israelis know that spirit and they are marshalling that today uh at the moment so amid all the fear and the horror and the grief and the shock uh and the trauma of course uh what’s coming out is this National solidarity that just wants to be allowed to live to defend their
Homeland and to live as a free people in their land in the words of national just let me ask you because I think some of the pictures I found the most shocking have been the protests the celebrations and I’m going to use that word in Sydney in New York in London actually the
Palestinian flag being raised by young women celebrating what is by any definition the murder and Military rape of other women I find that utterly mindblowing just reflect on what it’s like to be Jewish in this country at the moment I mean this is this is finally people are seeing what Israel has been
Contending with all these years uh Israel is on the front line of this battle which is derided as a culture War but is important you know people who celebrate the murder of more than a thousand men women and children on the streets of London are part of the
Problem not just for Israel but for Western values and Western Civilization uh across across the uh across the west and uh they are seeking to undermine the things that we all hold dear Israel is the only democracy in the region it upholds the rights of women
And minorities uh in a way that no other country does in the Middle East those are values that we share and an attack on those values in Britain is an attack on us all and no one feels that more keenly than the British Jewish Community who at the moment are enduring extra
Security measures around schools synagogues and so forth and you wrote an important article yesterday in The Spectator Jake about the United Nations was sort of Riven with Israel aphobia just touch on that because it was I think a really significant article you wrote well Israel aphobia is uh is the
Title of my book which came out a few weeks ago the subtitle of it is the newest form of the old hatred and what to do about it and that is clearly seen at the United Nations statistically Israel has been condemned last year by the UN General Assembly 15 times for its
Supposed indiscretions by comparison every other country in the world cumulatively have been condemned 13 times from from Russia to Iran to Venezuela to North Korea to China and so forth there is a very clear bias against the Jewish state by which principles of international law and frat International fraternity are being weaponized to
Destroy Israel’s and undermine Israel’s right to defend itself calling a separation barrier which is protects Israel from suicide bombs calling that an aparti wall calling the sealed Gaza border which protect has protected Israel up up until the other day from Jihadi violence calling that an open air prison this sort of social justice
Language uh is is Rife throughout the UN where in the UN United Nations Human Rights Council just on Monday they refused even to say the word Israel but instead stood for a minute Silence with the supposed Palestinian victims that was before the war had really come to
Gaza this is outrageous bias at the UN it filters out through many of our International and National institutions through uh it sort of piggybacks on The Suite of luxury beliefs that’s dominating the elites of our culture in the west including gender ideology perspectives on slavery sex um
Colonialism and our history and added to that is a very very bias and Paran view on Israel and Palestine I’m sorry to interrupt you but I do want to hear your thoughts on this is this the end do you think of a potential two-state solution briefly that’s a that’s a big big
Question I think the two-state solution has been uh floundering really for quite some years ever since it collapsed into an in in the ’90s um it’s very difficult to keep an eye on the big political picture now when things are so fast moving and when there are existential threats to Israel um not
Least from Iran which is pulling many of the strings uh in these atro atrocious events I mean look you know I think I stand with all the Jewish community in Britain and around the world in saying that we respect and wish to protect the lives of Palestinian civilians as well
As Israeli civilians we want peace for both sides peace in the region when you are contending with the Jihadi Butchery that we’ve seen it’s very difficult to know how a partner for peace is possible Jake thank you Jake
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