In Class with Carr, Lesson 189: “Homecomings in Times of War: What is Home?”

Uh I’ve been I’ve been dancing around this topic trying to figure out how to lead people to a a sense of humanity at the same time say the things that need to be said at the same time not betray my heart and soul at the same time not

Get canceled at the same time it’s been a pretzel uh twisting and turning into these pretzels uh walking a tight Road um on these Airwaves that I don’t own and control at the same time I feel like uh Humanity should be for all like we should all care about that but that

Doesn’t seem to matter to people they just want Vengeance and at the end of the day you know an i for and I leaves everyone blind but I can’t say that because if you kill my mama I’m I’m not sleeping until I you know like I feel

But you know I’m still work in progress I’m not obviously spiritually evolved enough to let that go but here we are here we are I thank you thank you this this was a conversation that I I’ve been wanting to have but I didn’t know how to have it so you you have

Uh it’s really tough like you asked me about how people feel about me for the most part people hav put it in my face like I did a 17 minute video on my Facebook I didn’t intend to be 17 minutes but basically I would I mean and and it is fairly

Cerent but I basically just said you know I was up front with people who might think you know I’m like I’m not a conservative I’m a processive I’m a liberal I believe in I believe in those causes and values but at the same point

In time um you know I have to tell you that I share my Jewish Family with people of all different kinds of perspectives colors backgrounds beliefs um part of what makes us a strong community and strong tradition you know people often say well y’all always unified that’s not always

True you know there’s a very Jewish proverb that goes two Jews three opinions you know and and and and you know yes when it comes to Serious matters we we come to a fair amount of consensus on the best course for everybody want you know this past week

We’ve seen a number of Jewish organizations and Jewish people say not not of my watch not in my name no genocide no war and I that’s that to me is really beautiful and important a number of colleagues and friends of mine have been a part of that

But at the same time I don’t want people to run around thinking that the good Jews are just the Jews who aren’t uh you know the term Zionist comes into play okay there’s a there’s a huge Spectrum out there you know of people on this

Issue of of whether or not you know what do we where how do we even Mo for or if move forward at all as a Jewish people in the land okay there’s a huge Spectrum two Jews three opinions I might even gather on this sh two Jews 10

Opinions for real for real but there’s only but there’s only space in our media right now for one opinion so we come back let’s let’s talk let’s talk about that all right let’s talk about that let’s talk about that um good morning good everything can you hear me uh Dr car all

Right let me unmute unmute you unmute yourself uh because I was trying to unmute you I was I couldn’t hi good good all of the things good for everyone yes uh Happy 189 uh in class with car we are we are here hi we are here good everything to everyone

Around the world met some Nubians from other places in the world this homecoming week at Howard uh sister brought her son he’s checking out Howard they she he was raised in New Hampshire but her father got a job in New Hampshire at the University he came from

Kenya and brought his little girl with him so they said we come in DC to check out how we must come sit in they went to see that deba first and then they came to class so good everything for everybody in the world let’s be very clear what we doing in this project

Right here so how are you my my dear friend and sister and colleague I love you what’s going on I love you too I am I’m well you know that was I wanted to share something we had Michael Twitty on yesterday which you know it’s foolish

Since Friday so I’m I had booked him because you know he’s he’s uh he’s a lot you know this even before there was any any conflict in well there’s always been conflict but before this war broke out um he was booked to come on to talk

About you know Not Just Kosher soul but some of the things that he’s working on and you know I like to let let our hair down on Friday and have little fun but he he came in with this energy and I was like what I mean I understood it of

Course because you know he had on his yamaka and everything as always and yeah so we started talking about the Housewives of Atlanta but I was like you you ain’t mad about that let’s let’s really talk so we we had this conversation and it was I was

Surprised at how candid he was um not that I don’t expect people to be candid um but he was saying all of the things and I and I I was wondering how the Jewish Community because he’s Jewish he’s black he’s gay he’s you know he’s he cooks

Food delicious food right um he does everything he’s all of the things right and and he was saying things that I haven’t heard anyone say publicly Dr Carr anyone say on platform like that publicly right right right you know poor Alicia Keys almost got cancelled for

Posting a posting a just like I like the hang glide and then they’re like oh you’re with I was like what what is happening here this is a weird wild wild space that we’re in that you know it’s like we you got to you’re either with us

Or you’re against us and you if you look like I’m like absolutely yes with us or against us uh careful when you find out the US is a lot larger than the uh the with you with people should be careful now this is the time for care and Michael Twitty

Uh you respect that brother for that so he just he just let it fly huh yeah he said two Jews three opinions and you know what what struck me about that is you know just like you know we have conversations around reparations or we have conversations around you know uh

Politics you know who we should vote for you know blacks not nothing’s a monolith we’re all individuals having an individual experience was that’s right right if we find community that you know and even in community we’re going to have disagreements and and be at odds over you know how people should proceed

And and that doesn’t make people bad or good you know you often say in in things there’s no good guys and and sometimes they no bad guys you know sometimes it’s just it just is and so so we as as humans have to figure out how to dance

On this ball together and not kill each other that’s right and and if we end up killing each other then then there’s nothing but the animals and they’ll be happy the earth will be happy be happy with invasive species will have been purged yes purged itself yeah I I had

Ida Rodriguez is on uh today this week too she was on she’s got a new book out and um and she said you know we’re the virus you know during the pandemic the Earth was healing the waters were blue the sky was clearing animals were like

We can we can come out now we’re the virus and I was like oh ouch and yes and yes it’s true it’s absolutely true I mean and we’ll see whether or not we can uh either the Earth is going to cure itself of humanity or or human beings

Are going to prove to be something other than what we seem to have been up to over the last hundred 500 years or so but in all fairness to humanity yes we’re the same species or race so to speak if you want to use that language we’re all One race one species human

Beings but uh there are as you say many variations within groups and between groups and uh if nothing else I think what we can say is that the last 500 years have been a massive and tragic mistake stake and uh some of us have acted very foolishly and and appealed

And not all of us as in not some of us in terms of individuals but the the cultural Frameworks the social structures we found ourselves in are not healthy for us and not healthy for the ball but I mean hasn’t technology notwithstanding you know when you talk about that I think about the

Crusades in the name of Jesus in the name of Jesus Ottoman Empire you know I think about you know things we you know recent Rwanda uh you know Sudan you know recent recent genocidal ISS things that have happened I think about the trailer tears I think about you know like we’ve we’ve

Had as as humans on this planet you know iterations of of vast you know Horrors and just um things that people would do to other people just because they are other right because we we figured out how to otherize and I think it’s is modern is you know as as old as the

Maybe as people themselves you know others well I think that’s how whiteness hides itself I don’t accept that we at all this is what job KS is talking about in science and depression that ordinal classification in other words flatten all distinctions in time and space and that’s how every conversation that hides

The worst impulses of human nature hides itself they say well slavery has been around since the beginning so when we time out baby time out Shadow slavery like you did it nah Chief don’t do that in other by making by making things Universal that’s how the worst nature of it can hide itself

So we say of course NOA and Bui yes that is the worst impulse nobody can 800,000 people Millions The Civil Wars in Congo that come after that all that and then the question becomes they’ve been fighting for a thousand years no they ain’t they’ve been fighting since the

Belgians and the French came down there let’s don’t get cute now y’all throw the Rock and high your hand I mean Palestine and Israel let’s talk England in other words I mean in other words you know these people been at each other’s War for thousands of years nah Chief don’t

Do that don’t do that let’s bring he say let’s bring in the ottomate Turks trailer tears oh yeah them people been fighting Samuel ELO with his racist arm with Christian Soldiers behind sitting on the Supreme Court talking about they were fighting each other before the Europeans came nah Chief your people

Were in Italy but let’s be very clear that’s Andrew Jackson in the 1830 don’t get you don’t KCK you y’all did that the Five Civilized Tribes so to speak how you call them civilized because you said yourself as the head of civilization then you drove those people across the

Oklahoma and you want to act like they was beefing with each other don’t get cute the creek are fighting the simol because you set them up don’t do that so the that’s Kell says what you when you universalize it whiteness gets to hide itself capitalism gets to hide itself

And we GNA strip them butt necked and leave them with no place to have so let me ask you uh because even this which resonates and is true yes they saying yes the the education system has taught us these things right so so so for the

Vast majority of us what we know is based on what we’ve been taught to regurgitate and memorize to get a to get a pat on the head a gold star an a you know 1,600 on Sat you know so so there’s been a reward system for learning this

This information that’s right that has been widely wrong that’s right and and on purpose wrong and you get rewarded for regurgitating it perfectly and the more perfectly the better your grade and the higher up you ra rise up in the echelons of of society right you get to

Go to the best schools to get more of this I don’t know that Sam oo even knows this I think he knows it he knows it Christian nationalist he’s a he’s a white Christian I get that but I think his Christian nationalism is cified in the things that he thinks he knows about

The things that he thinks he knows so so so how do we and even sitting here I’m I’m fertile soil you know I’m ready to take all the I’m ready to take these good seeds in and plant something new tear up the things that are not and learn right but

For most of us and even if we talk about religion Dr Carr if you start talking about people’s good gods and you start bringing in facts I don’t even I leave them alone you get in the fight you don’t even mess with that but that’s how that’s how de it’s a religion for

Actually I take it in and and and like any teachers we do the same thing the two of us and everybody in here who’s a teacher all across we start with what people know and we go to what they don’t know so when people want to talk about

You know you even with this uh conflict they say okay well y’all know Abra right yeah Abraham and Sarah had a son right yeah what’s his name Isaac oh yeah I went to Sunday school no problem and that was the only kid Abraham had right

No another son oh who who wait I thought all s only had one bab she couldn’t have no baby right yeah who oh Hagar oh who’s Hagar’s son oh yeah that’s ishmail okay that’s who the Arabs say is this and then oh no no we start with what you

Know we’ll go with what you don’t know we’re g to start with what you know and the same thing you think samalo would change his mind if he knew something else he wouldn’t at this point because the change of mind and for many of us goes to religion it goes to you know

Even that thing of whiteness because uh you know had Tom Hartman on this week had Tom Harman on and and you know you know I I love to talk to people who read and stuff you know because I’m here to learn absolutely so off Mike I I asked

Him the question that I ask all people that identify with being white right because I I didn’t want to bring Tom Hartman into a live situation where I knew he wasn’t prepared for the question uh I want to have him on you know like I

Want to talk about he care like I I want him to come back right so I said I’m not gonna do this to this man because now I know even the most learned can’t handle this question no question so so I asked him you know hey so he’s talking about

You know the Republicans Democrats and we getting into the economy and all of this so off mic we go to break and I said you you keep talking about you you know as a white man in America America and I said so what does that mean what

Does it mean to be white and he so he said what does it mean to be black and I said so you you just did that I said so you just did that and I said to him I said I’m only black because of this white power there you go that denigrates

People and makes makes a lower class forever there’s the example and then he sat back right because he knew he had just stepped in it or or he he couldn’t figure our way out because no and he couldn’t and I didn’t want him doing this on the air cuz it’s not pretty it’s

Not pretty to watch somebody who everyone thinks you know and so when we came back he couldn’t let it go he said you ask me a question off mik I was like I wasn’t gonna bring this on to the air and he said and and he said um no I’m

I’m wrestling with it I said yeah because you know three fours of white folks segregate so there’s no way for you to get out of this construct right because you willfully I said you live in an all white community and he was like so so we can’t can’t really have this

Conversation if you have put yourself in these places where you never have to even examine because he got into white privilege I was like it ain’t that it’s a power structure that was created to keep you where you are so that you can not worry about being followed in the

Store and not worry about your you know whether you’re gonna be rejected for a loan or whether you can buy a home or not in this neighborhood or that it’s built into the system you never have to think about it and you help it by by segregating yourself in all areas

Churches your so so we can’t solve this if people aren’t willing to remove the the illusion of this thing but it’s a real thing because we’ve been in it right but it’s a construct that allows you to demonize people allows us to demonize one another because a lot of us

Have carry the same anti-blackness we want to run to the hills oh I I need to get out of this neighborhood with these people so I just I’m I’m like I don’t know how we if if it’s so cified so for Alito to even admit that whatever he

Thinks he believes is wrong is to say something about himself it is woven into the into the DNA of people right so who’s gonna say I I’m giving up everything that I am and strip myself down and become something new who’s gonna do that Dr Carr apparently that’s

What they want us to do um right I me say more say more all this all this uh I I’ll stop short of calling it silly and foolish because for me personally it’s silly and foolish but I absolutely understand it um so I won’t call it

Silly and foolish because it is a result of socialization but the idea somehow that the which is why I still use the phrase the American Negro I’m not talking about African people talking about the Negro the Negro is a new thing hence Elaine lock and them talking about the new negro

Although they did not mean it in 1925 the way that I used it today the Negro is a is a um is a is a human being without memory who comes out of the trauma of enslavement and for whom everything since then becomes a triumph over adversity so our whole identity is

Adversity what they want us to do is somehow bend and break and fold ourselves into this criminal Enterprise and act as if it’s a Triumph it is utterly absurd because for two reasons well for one reason the conditions never change you saw the brother who was finally exonerated and then uh the P

Rolla decided to take his life because I don’t care if you get to jail I’ll end your life here it’s not going to be a problem for me and so you know and the simple fact of the matter is that that man’s life was taken in the state that

His life was taken in is still standing which is a testament to the fact that we have forgotten that we will not EXA we would not exact any price you can kill us anytime you want you can kill us socially uh you can be a a non-binary uh

Person at NYU Law School and make a statement on Palestine and they take back your job and they try to put they put try to put that uh person out of school now this black uh uh nonbinary third year law student at NYU uh you

Could be in other words we live in a society where if you can’t punish somebody for disrespecting you then you gonna get punished yourself and what they want us to do is exactly what you described what you did with Tom Hartman is an is is a perfect example of what we

Were talking about a second ago what Jacob K was talking about in other words when he tried to flatten the distinctions was do mean to be black you were like ah see I see what did there we’re going to disaggregate this by time and space it’s exactly what KS was

Talking and then he had to think about it but you can’t let it go why because you know if you let that go you’ve let go your status and that’s what we are telling people let me let me to his credit you know he thanked me for

Teaching him something and he’s not to me’s he’s somebody that actually has spent his life’s work trying to uncover a lot of these you know inequities and all of these areas but this is the one thing this is the one thing that everything is born in exactly that has

To be uprooted you know anything else is just putting you know perfume on top which you know do do just doing that it still stinks still stinks still stinks so uh we’re here this beautiful uh Saturday morning uh afternoon evening wherever you are in the world and there

It’s homecoming season which I’ve never gotten experience because I didn’t go to an HBCU uh you’re a knee deep in it you’re a knee deep in it wearing in college what what is that what is that oh no this is a you know I I am I’m a non-combatant in the HBCU nationalism

So this is the African-American college Alliance this is the old school remember when we were kids college age this is uh the brother who did this you know he’s back in business now he’s got his website up so I don’t you know I typically don’t wear the national colors

In different things although Tennessee State just signed to do a home and home football game uh with football series next year in the year after with Howard and so uh the place I work is about to get a taste of uh of that work but at

Any rate um Eddie George is doing a great Eddie George is who people thought Deion Sanders was for some strange reason but at any thought he was let me just I I want to do that and I also want to erect the name of Leonard cure who

You mentioned the man that was in uh spent 16 years of his life behind bars for a crime he did not commit got out and because now the technology is what it is they can see your whole life when they pull you over that just happened

Recently I was like how you know my uh my my registrations expired just from my license plate right but right like what else do you know but they already know when they pull you over that you are you were forly incarcerated yeah and this Hunter decided that he was gonna make

Sure that that exoneration didn’t stick so uh you know he dies and goes to hell if there is a hell perhaps he will then understand the Folly of his uh of his actions but yeah yeah thank you thank you for that but yeah no yeah I was um

This is the season of of homecomings so it’s the season of HBCU homecomings and so you know I spent last weekend as we talked about in office hours and as we talked about last Saturday in between Montgomery Alabama and Tuskegee Alabama very honored to be to join the family

And friends of Marie M Kelce 98 years old who is the um as far as anybody knows the last um living on top of the earth um founder of the chapter of alpha alpha at Tusk University so the alphas had their 75th anniversary and I saw something I ain’t never seen before we

All did uh Baba marba who is the reason I’m sitting here the Kelsey family marba in particular at the African Center for study and worship which was in Columbus Ohio continues um in in in another iteration ation but you know I saw him get a 75y year membership pen the

National president of alp Alpha came flew flew in to put that pen on Bob and reing like man this is unbelievable I ain’t never seen nothing like this and so it was a blessing because you know he he’s a Tuskegee Alam and you know my mother has we’ve said many times is from

That area and it was a beautiful thing in office hours those folk who are on the new as side you know we had conversation brother Eric came in who was from down there who had just he had just been down there with his family for family reunion and uh talking about the

Tuskegee human and civil rights Multicultural Center um talking about all the the things down there and I’ll come back to that in a minute going and spend some time thinking about last week um didn’t get a chance to spend as much time down there in that trip and you

Know we all would have liked to but three days and then just being thoroughly immersed in this the first capital of the Confederacy uh three days and you know we took a minute and went over to the Alabama state capital to uh pay our respects to the Statue of Jefferson

Davis and I think you all know me by now what I mean by pay my respects I paid my respects many times when we go to South Africa to the Statue of Cecil Rose can’t pay my respects anymore he’s gone but definitely pay my respects to the Statue

Of Jeff Davis which uh stands right outside the governor’s office at the Alabama state capital that was erected by the United Daughters of the Confederacy in 1940 and they also have a star a six pointed star looks like a a star of David that is actually in the ground on

The exact spot um where Jefferson Davis took the oath of office to be the president of the Confederate States of America it’s in bronze six-pointed star in the floor down from the statue placed by the Sophie bib chapter of the daughter of the Confederacy that’s there so went by

There paid respects of course and then uh down the hill imagine this those of you who know Montgomery know the capital of the Confederacy uh the Alabama State House is there littered with all this kind of Old Times there are not forgotten stuff and of course Old Times there are not

Forgotten is going to be important in about 10 seconds when I mentioned that when you come down the hill not even really a true block from the Alabama state capital on the right hand side of the street sits the Dexter Avenue King Baptist Church it’s called Dexter Avenue King now but

Of course when caretta and Martin King were there it was the Dexter Avenue Church still an active Church uh with all the signage people go and you know we there we paid our true respects there in the governance formation in other words you pause you know you think about

What happened in this spot but imagine that Alabama state capital Dexter Avenue Baptist Church a block even a true city block up here these days in New York BL not even a New York block from the capital you come outside you could probably yell and somebody on steps the capital could hear

You but in between those two things there’s another Monument on the same side of the street Dexter Avenue is literally across the street from Dexter Avenue is a pillar of marble and it says here on this spot talks about Jefferson Davis coming in to be the president the Confederacy

And it says this is the spot where Dixie was played in public for the first time erected by the United dolls of 1943 and of course Alabama the Alabama the white ntion down there shout out to K iy oh K iy the governor of Alabama and her friends they building a

Billion. three doll jail prison facility in Alabama right now in theity of Montgomery a billion. three $1.3 billion dollar prison the industry there and uh I want talk we talked about my gmy last week and I’m gonna get to yeah that didn’t miss that they spoke Bill too but they’ve already

Gone over for the price for the first one billion. three you talk about throwing a rocking hot in your hand and um daughters of the Confederate see the all of Amy Cony Barrett I feel as if white women um I shouldn’t have called them that I should

Have called them what they are today the um moms for Liberty moms for liberty no moms for Liberty how how Insidious is it because you know women you know we we we have a special you know special place in our hearts you know except if we’re if they’re in

Anyway um Dr car is this is this also strategy we we have moms for Liberty Daughters of Confederacy Amy con Barrett these the women that they they’re the ones Sarah suck B Sanders you know they’re the ones push pushing uh hard yeah HCK is is tackling the big issues

In our oh my goodness is this this this on purpose buck buck knck If You Buck Huck a buck yeah of course it is I mean look look I got all the room for them all the room in the world because see what the people gonna have to understand

Ultimately is we got to roll over them like the ocean I don’t mean physically I mean culturally intellectually you can’t make peace with evil you got to El eliminate and eradicate and I’m not talking about that in a kind of religious sense or in a kind of moral

War sense I’m saying right is right and wrong is wrong sometimes as John Clark said as you said in some stories Ain’t No Good Guys life is full of those contradictions full of those challenges in fact among the yurba people this is why we look at the orisha ASU ASU uh you

Know when you look at ASU ISU isn’t good or bad ISU isn’t evil or good ISU is a kind of of an expression of is an icon of our continual struggle as as humans to balance our worse impulses with our better impulses as they say in ODI I

Mean you know one of the reasons we’re on Earth is to work on our character our ey our character the ancient Egyptians said the same thing when you see the Battle of heru and setek who the Greeks call Horus and set you know a battle between ostensibly a nephew and his

Uncle and they say well set is evil and Horus is good don’t do that see y’all always coming in trying to shrink down the reality the reality is that we all have those impulses and I don’t I understand the daughters of the Confederacy in mils for Liberty I embrace their Humanity because their

Humanity is my Humanity we have those impulses but as you say they have been miseducated they’ve been miseducated like Bill Mah been miseducated or Samuel lito has been miseducated they’ve been miseducated into something called whiteness you know Bill marah’s people come his father come from Ireland his his father’s people from Ireland his

Mother’s people from Hungary and so now he thinks that somehow he can dictate to people of African descent how we should resist our oppression I’m not mad at Bill Mah because I understand that he is no longer Hungarian he’s no longer Irish although he can claim both and nobody

Have any blink he’s a white man and anytime you start with I’m a white man you have erased any possibility of us embracing our common Humanity in the social structure because you put race at the center same thing with ACB you got to you got to end up with

The hand maaz taale once you Embrace that narrative and same thing with moms for liberty or the United Daughters of the Confederacy when you’ve embraced whiteness then you your job as you have constructed gender within that whiteness is to be the defender to be the protector but you’re not embracing it in

The way that African people when you look at the ancient Egyptians for example when we were in Kemet in the first two weeks of August we we visited one of the sites one of the places and uh there at the temple uh for het heru at dendera there’s a small um statue of

The nature best bees best is seen as the nature that helps make birth easier and by making a woman laugh because you know birth pains obviously so best is the is the nature of laughter in that particular in in that particular function when a woman is giving birth

And as we were standing there Baba Abdul one of our guys as we were all in conversation about this because you know one of the things we love is having our guys they don’t have to do all the heavy lifting because we’ve studied for a long

Time before we come so it’s more of a conversation he was talking about the various manifestations of uh what is attributed to feminine energy in the Nile Valley we know that shifts over time but one of the constants is the the nure asset or Isis who’s a relative of

Course of het hero of horse het hero of haor as the Greeks would call her so you see sometime the cow horns in the Solar disc when you see and you say oh that’s het heru no look very closely look read the glyphs that’s Isis that’s asset as

Hetero so you see the two combined but anyway um I don’t want to get too deep into this but I’m just going to finish with this the idea of the feminine in that space represented by ass set in certain moments at times she is a lion or lonus she’s a protector at times

She’s a cat she’s minding the children she’s kind of going around and make sure everything’s okay at times she offers her breast to feed the child the different manifestations of what a female will do for her children is Manifest in these narratives now what you don’t see her doing is

Screaming until a neck vessel bursts and saliva coming out her mouth and her eyes all wild and crazy and her hair over the eye trying to yell at a six-year-old Ruby Bridges or the Little Rock Nine or standing up in a Schoolboard meeting where she ain’t got no children in the

Damn school at all saying take them books off the shelf you don’t see a set or heto doing that because you see in this context in this social structure what that woman is doing which is consistent with women throughout time and space when you localize it in time

And space what she’s doing is protecting something very dear to her and dear to her children what’s that whiteness whitness they got to defend that and so I understand it but I also understand that you must be rolled over like the now baby we got to roll you

Over and remake you in the image that you should aspire to which is your fullest Humanity because you got good and bad in you like all of us and we got to somehow help you get over that and we’re not going to help you over that by coming to the school board meeting

Punching you in the face first of all we going to jail I shouldn’t say first of all let me let me temper my own impulse second of all we’re going to jail first of all if everybody fighting out of time that mean everybody gonna be fighting

All the time you the AMU as it is said in in the kdic text you go back about maybe we’re talking about maybe 3,500 years ago so about 1500 BC between 1500 2,000 BC uh Mary Kye it says lo the The Vow AMU the AMU is a group of people who are

Nomadic it says um food propels their legs short of water short of bread they fight since the time of the neru of heru in particular in other words they’ve been fighting eternally why because they ain’t got no place to live they just moving around fighting fighting fighting fighting and so you

Got to be careful with people like that people who are fighting all the time have a fighting mentality the daughters uh moms for Liberty I’m sorry let me say it right the daughters of the United Liberty or the moms for the Confederacy we might as well conflate them at this

Point for the point I’m about to make they’re fighting to preserve something that was created with the settler violence that created the United States of America and so it’s no it’s no accident that when they all read their Bibles this let’s call it a big convening the UDC and the mons of

Liberty when they read their Bibles they’re looking at what’s going on in Israel and Palestine they’re looking at what’s going on in Gaza and the West Bank they’re looking at what’s going on in the region as this is prophecy you see because this has to happen then you

Know gonna be the Rapture and Jesus coming back I ain’t mad at y’all because that’s your way of knowing connected to your governance formations but your governance formations came out of a social structure that had racial capitalism at the center you have no choice and meanwhile the people who

Profit off you and are laughing at you who you know tell you what you need to hear so that you can go out and vote for them and they sit in the federal legislature and damn near put an insurrectionist in as Speaker of the House this past week those people who

Are laughing at you who are on television saying things because they know you want to hear them and then when all the cameras go away they say Jim Jim Jordan crazy as hell we ain’t about to vote for him I got to vote for him why because if I don’t vote for him

He’ll IES we done stirred up for a thousand years ain’t going to vote for me and I like my stiping I like my benefits I like my health care the same thing you driving everybody else yeah but we ain’t gonna worry about that because these Hill too stupid to see

What’s going on those people continue to profit and so the whole system is based on ignorance it’s got to keep people ignorant so yeah this this this this this past week and then you know this is this is October now mid to late October to November is the season of homecomings

And anybody who is around a historically black college over the next few weeks beginning a couple of weeks ago and continuing through now uh how it is today of course we saw and we continue to hold the family in our prayers and in our best energies the people at Morgan

State and buoy State here in nearby Maryland uh like I say tusk was last week um more house and Spellman is next week the Atlanta University Center Baba omo and Dr Black and them you’ll have Clark and Morris Brown coming online um Tennessee States was last week same as

Tuskegee so I went able to get down there but you know a lot of friends family who were down there had a good time but all of the these are moments of convening in our governance space and what I did last week before you before you continue what

What is the origin what is the origin of homecoming when well that that that’s where it gets very interesting I think homecoming well first of all universities do homecomings football game pep rallies alumni comeback it’s usually oriented toward the students and toward the alumni when it’s oriented toward the alumni it’s usually around

Not just coming back to reminisce about your college days it’s also uh about raising money soio state has a huge homecoming USC homecoming these kind of things are important so let’s put it in the kind let’s talk about the social structure there for a minute cultural meaning making I’m

Thinking about our Africana studies framework for those those who have joined now you know our conversation who may not have been there when we articulated this many times but we know there are six conceptual categories in our Africana studies methodology social structure governance structure ways of knowing Science and Technology cultural

Meaning making and movement in memory thought about a moment of movement and memory on uh on Friday night in Tuskegee when they sang the fraternity hymn I don’t get a chance to sing the FR himm a lot Dr batty who is the campus advisor of alpha for Alpha actually at Howard he

Sings it in fact probably sing it today at Howard homecoming they’ll be on the yard I don’t know if I’m gonna make it down there for that but uh that’s usually the one time of year I might if I’m around sing the FR him but I sang

The Frat him and I got to do it while uh Linked UP crossed arms with mariea Kelsey here he is this 90 year old man with the man who my jna one of the Great Master Teachers and uh there’s a line in there thinking about homecoming HBCU homecoming as distinct from the uh

Homecomings of H wcu and HBCU have the same things that HBCU have in I mean HBCU have the same thing hwcu have in terms of homecoming and then there are a lot of things that the hwcu don’t have and just standing there with with uh that Kelsey and then

You know we hit that line College days swiftly pass imbued with memories fun and the recollection slowly Fades away are we now ai for eternal spirit bonds may they ever abide and with us stay then we go to the refrain but I’ve always liked that line at the beginning

College days swiftly pass imbued with memories fond and the recollection slowly Fades away when you hear the sorority and fraternity songs of the black sororities and fraternities not just the divine nine the so-called divine nine so not just the alphas and akas and the Deltas and the Omega SciFi

The Q’s not just the kappas not just Sigma gamma r or Zeta beta or F Beta Sigma not just II Theta but also the other associations all of those associations come out of looking at them from governance governance lands they come out of the associations of African

People before we ever put on boats what Dan Black is writing about in the coming what Howard French is writing about in born in Blackness what aay ARA is writing about in the eloquence of the scribes and the resolution these are practices of African people that we had

With each other who we are to each other our ways of knowing Community before the individual service above all this is the form of our cultural meaning making and our songs and our dance and our movement the ring shout the electric slide and hand dancing and all and wobble baby

Wobble all that stuff you look at and you see the ring shout coming out of enslavement but before the ring shout you see the rituals of community everybody got to sing everybody got to dance so this this kind of empties into a social structure that is alien to us

These Greek letters even though the Greek letters come out of the Egyptian letters we didn’t know that but when we adopted those letters like Cornell University in 1906 for Alpha F Alpha places like Howard University in 1908 and 1913 for alpaca Alpha and Delta Sigma Theta later on F Beta Sigma and uh

Zeta 5 beta I mean places like Indiana University for Kappa Alpha sa when we look when we adopted those Greek letters we didn’t adopt them to become Greek people make that mistake particularly YouTube Scholars and others who think they know something haven’t really studied they I black Greeks ain’t no

Such thing I’m not a Greek bro I’m an African person and I put on some Greek letters at one time in my life and every once in a while you might catch me putting on like I did when I wore my hoodie to tusk’s uh uh graduation tusk’s uh football game and

By the way I don’t know how y’all let beat y’all but that’s a story for another day I ain’t mad because you know I want Frank Reed and them boys Bishops of the am Church mad at me because those are my friends and brothers and I love

Them I swear though that am School came up the road from Florida and beat Tusk on the last second play but by then Negros was so full of uh corn roasted corn on the cob and barbecue that I think probably the game outcome was a little less disturbing because by then

The true meaning of homecoming at HBCU had already blossomed and this is where I’m going with it here’s the difference hwcu don’t have step shows unless they got some black people they gonna have a step show the step show is the ring shout meets the Greek letter organizations you got to have it

Generations were introduced like a lot of folks were to those step shows when they watch school days for the first time and saw Spike Lee that son of uh Georgia by way of Brooklyn whose people are from Alabama snowhill Institute right down the street not far from

Tuskegee but that but that that step show is a convening that’s the big thing HBCU homecomers these Nigro will have a comedy show or a gospel show or both they Ain gonna have that at University of Chicago or Columbia unless it’s a black student union in which point they

Going to put together a a comedy show a a gospel show our brother Roy Wood Jr that great graduate of of course the Florida Agricultural and Mechanical State College for Negroes FAMU FAMU now University he know about them comedy shows Charlie Murphy got roasted in Louisiana I think it was uh Gremlin I

Guess the students boo him he said I tore up to check y’all can have y’all money okay but you on the HBCU comedy show circuit you often see those in in both chats in the Nubia chat and in the YouTube for those who are not yet in

Nubia I’m sure people are putting these things here on their reminiscence of those moments there’s the yard rituals you got to convene on the yard the yard meaning whatever the quadrangle is or the patch of grass is or the collective space is where people hang out on the

HBCU campuses Ohio state has a beautifully manicured lawn I walked in and out of that library that 24-hour Library many a night between law school and graduate school at Ohio State University Temple University is a urban University it doesn’t have those big patches of grass but it does have

Gathering places and that’s very nice but it’s going to be the black student union on those places that will convene other people they kind of come and go and they may have a rally but during homecoming the yard becomes Collective property common property that’s an HBCU thing so when

You see the yard when we were at tus gige them nigg R out there look if there were 10 black people I guarantee you half of them didn’t go to tus gige they just on the yard CU Tusk homecoming and they may be wearing Tuskegee gear they

May be wearing Jackson State State gear they may be wearing taloo college gear or Tennessee State gear or Howard gear but they are there because the yard now is a convened black space it is a governance space the cultural meaning making is taking place also the movement

In memory because alumni coming back so I’m watching people we watching people doing the line dance they doing the wobble they doing that now I’m looking at these people and I’m like I’m so glad that tuskey one of the things they’re known for is medicine and Healthcare

And that there’s a VA Hospital down the street because as I tell my students every year I said now when you come out here with your PO pop who pledged Omega in 1973 and he decided that he’s once again 22 years old and hits that step know

That Howard Hospital is right down the hill Georgia Avenue so that while you don’t be embarrassed now just you know kind of go in but tell them don’t overdo it because we don’t want nobody with no slip discs no ruptured something something roll up the back of your leg

Cuz you hit the step a little too loud you done bark so loud you done lost your voice everybody calm down but they are going to gather around that sundow these sons of blood and thunder ain’t that right Reverend Jeremiah right a good son of blood and thunder member of omega

Five fraternity and many a year homecoming at Howard coming through his Alma moer to participate in those rituals I mean in other words that that that those yard rituals they had yard Fest they had the concert over there yes they how they always who come in the

Yard Fest who come to the party who come to the party you see it in real time this is usually around Friday because it’s a week long of events then you have the game the game is a little tricky the game is tricky because you know people are interested in the game particularly

The deeper South you go you start talking about the rivalry games right I mean so it’s not homecoming week but you have a Bayou Classic field you know gramlin versus Southern but you’re gonna have you know in you usually try to schedule somebody you can beat Tuskegee

Oh my goodness golden Tigers but yeah thought y could beat everyone Waters and now Tennessee State we won our homecoming um and you know it’s not unusual I think we schedule might schedule Howard for homecoming in 2025 when they come to Nashville to get that

Work to get that work but at any rate um yeah Eddie George I hope he’s still around because he definitely you know definitely building something down there in Nashville but the point is that this is a convening where you celebrate the game you want your team to win but you

Want your band to win first now Ohio State Michigan have bands uh they’re not my taste you know they’re social structured bands and every once in a while they try to steal something and I do say steal not borrow but steal shout out to Louisiana State University that

Plays talking out the side of your neck in the stiff style that you would expect from hold that tiger LSU but they’ve been listening to Southern University for a long time but you ain’t never gonna be able to do it like Southern University at Tuskegee their signature

Song in the golden Pipers band of course is a song called ball and parlay I love ball and parlay they said sell ball and parlay t-shirts in the bookstore what is ball and parlay well professor H you remember and his book just came out thank you for letting

Me be myself again the Memoir of course of uh Sly Sylvester Sly uh in Sly the Family Stone um if you want me to stay I’ll stay around today to be available for you to see of course if you want me to stay I think it was 1973 well best I

Can research and listen to people talking about this as they get into arguing HBCU bands don’t buy their music at the store they listen to the radio or see what’s popular and then the band directors and the students who write music and arrange music set out to bring

The radio to the football game so when you hear HBCU bands they’re playing music they wrote based on music they know and everybody got their signatures songs Everybody Plays talking that side of your neck Nobody Does it Better as far as I’m concerned the Howard Showtime marching band because they put the go-

Go beat in had the good sense to bring DC so when you hear them play Talking outside of your neck the old cameo song they got they got the Bongos in they got the percussion in it’s a beautiful thing everybody plays other versions I’m so

Glad I’m so glad I go to JSU no question the I love with two ease I ain’t mad at Jackson State J State plays the same song We do that different people we all play various songs now in the case of ball and parlay you know best I understand that

Some of those Southern bands particularly Texas bands and other bands picked up ball and parlay in the 70s but then an artist who recently made transition Big Pokey y’all know about screw music down there in Houston and and places like that so you know get into that Slim Thug and all them boys

Even the white boy Paul Wall you know what I’m saying all them you got so Slim Thug who just made transition he made he took that beat they looped that and he made you know when it’s sunny or gray we gonna ball in parlay and then he starts talking about various

Forms of inebriation and uh what we gonna do ball and parlay basically is not even code but a signal for we about to have a party we gonna ball and parlay there’s different ways to interpret it ball meaning we GNA ball out we gonna go big style poping bottles parlay May mean

Talking we gonna ball in parlay but there are other you know other interpretations of it well anyway somewhere Tuskegee picked up the Big Pokey song and they now play ball and parlay and have been playing it for years but they play it and their lyrics have to do with the marching band when

It’s sunny if it’s sunny or gray we gonna balling parlay we get crunk every day that’s the tusy way so take a seat if you’re live marching hard 825 8 to5 means when you’re in a band you got five yards you got eight steps to make the five yards you’re going on

The Rhythm one two three four five six seven line one two three four five six seven line so marching hard a25 it’s a beautiful song it’s a beautiful song and when they play ball in parlay The Crowd Goes Crazy they up under what they call

The shed at tusky there’s a shed with tu on and that’s where the band sits and a few of the students on the student side so I always I said that’s on my bucket list I wanted to see that one time before I made transition I want to be in

The stadium when they play ball in parlay it’s a beautiful thing so that’s the other thing the game game’s important but the game don’t take precedence over the ban and neither one of them take precedent over the fact they announced the crowd at Tusk last weekend at 31,000 people I’mma tell you

Right now not even a third of them people could fit in that little Stadium them negro had every kind of tent every kind of lawn chair every kind of barbecue every kind of I ain’t never seen that many vehicles them little Jeeps where they got the blasting sound

The president of tusky sister Morris was in in one of them Jeeps they driving her down and behind her there was a Jeep with speakers and the the unmentionable words coming out of those I’m like y’all know that’s president tus in front of Y but they was selling every kind of

Roasted corn I mean it was a beautiful thing and so that’s what it means homecoming and then of course on Sunday they have Chapel they have Chapel tomorrow on campus at Howard they had Chapel at Tuskegee on Sunday so we all got dressed and went down because they

You know Bob Mar was there you know they all want to take pictures of him all the alphas all the president they took pictures of him in front of the Statue of Booker T Washington that is right there outside The Chapel at Tuskegee and that was a special moment for me because

You know my mother as a child as a little girl ran in ran on that track the Tusk relays they don’t had the best track now it’s not the same place but when she was a child HBCU are something our young people aspired to and so you know

Standing there with your family standing there with the you know the alphas standing there watching these people and then one by one these brothers came up and asked Dr Kelsey to sign their church program this 98 year old man the 75th 75th anniversary of the chapter these

Are the things and of course right outside the chapter Booker T Washington is buried under a boulder that says Washington and just beyond is the grave of George Washington Carver and just beyond that is a small Cemetery in Tuskegee where some of the luminaries of Tuskegee are buried and of course

Anytime I go down there you got to pay respects so let me see if I can I think I pulled a couple of the books here so you know the idea of yeah here we go this brother and his wife are buried there this is Monro Nathan work mon

Nathan work was the director of research and records at tusky this is Linda mcmurray’s book on him quarter of the black experience a biography of Monro Nathan work uh Professor work is buried there uh he was the brother who tabulated lynchings in the United States lynchings of African people uh graduated

Of University of Chicago um 1903 he started working at what is now Savannah State College at that time it was Georgia State industrial College he was very good friends with and in some ways deciple of WB du boy here’s a book that you don’t see a lot and I’m gonna show

It to y’all this is called the Encyclopedia of the Negro you see Encyclopedia of the Negro I got this at a ex Li sale Library sale this is the encyclopedia negro they were trying to do a a project called the Encyclopedia of the Negro on that committee morai

Johnson from Howard Charles Johnson from Fisk Eugene kingle Jones the National Urban League Charles Thompson a very important founder of the Journal of negro education Florence Reed who was president of Spellman a white woman actually duboyce was the editor excuse me the co-editor with guy Johnson who

Was in Atlanta and Dr Monro work Tuskegee Institute you see Monro work Tuskegee Institute this is called the Encyclopedia of the Negro they only published this slim volume you see funded by The phelp Stokes Foundation a name you don’t see on there is Carter Woodson because when they try to get

Woodson Woodson was like Them White Boys gonna give y’all money and they gonna try to tell you what to do always be careful when people give you money because if they giving you money they have an agenda and it may not be your agenda we’ll come back to that in a few

Minutes but the point is that you know my work is buried there a number of other people are there and so just took a moment some of the presidents of Tuskegee took a moment there and so the origins of homecoming at at HBCU are the same as origins of

Homecoming at hwcu except it’s African people which means it’s our ways of knowing our movement in memory our cultural meaning making emptied into our governance structure so you look for the origins of Homecoming in the governance formations of African people at universities and colleges you don’t look for them in the origins

Of universities and colleges that’s going to be the white side you look for them in the origins of when we gathered when we returned home where we said this is our place and guess where that comes from the church not tailgates and football games think juneth in family

Reunions think what happens at churches so the origins of HBCU homecomings you see them in the black church you see them after people made migrations after enslavement when people would move from a place but every once a year they would return to the place the juneth rituals

Are very heavy with these things so that’s what you’re looking for you’re looking for it’s funny Coach George at Tennessee State Eddie George building building a really quality football program he was concerned he said this the other day he said you know I’m concerned that our fans don’t love

Football the way perhaps we can because they don’t come to the games when we play the white schools in the same way they come to the black schools well brother George uh a Philadelphian from the Philadelphia area uh Ohio State University where of course 100,000 rabbit screaming

Buckeey uh will be there and uh Ohio oh I’m not going to get into that foolishness but at any rate they gonna come see you run up and down the field Eddie no no no problem Coach George Tennessee State we’re gonna come see you when we play gramy we play Howard we

Play FAMU or we go to Memphis and play Jackson State but if we playing mcne State I don’t know tell you what though when we play those white schools and travel we take more people to their Stadium than they take to ours and we bring our B they don’t even bring their

B why cuz y’all don’t be embarrassed so I mean that’s one of the hazards of joining these white conferences shout out to Hampton let’s join the white conference in the Big South entt has left I understand the financial reasons but what you do is upset your governance

Structure your your fan base your people is like yeah I’m gonna support you know I’m gon support the Aggies Aggie pride no question but damn we do I really want to go see you play this person from the Patriot League or the Big South no not

Really so I mean it’s a different kind of thing and it’s no Battle of the Bands they got something called The Fifth Quarter at HBCU y’all know that everybody knows HBCU Life meanings after the game the game is over one loss okay that’s great then people go home except

The hardcore music lovers because the bands stay Saturday night in Nashville Tennessee State played northfi state for homecoming we beat northfi State behold the green and gold I ain’t mad at North State great great program beautiful band powerful band and the two bands stayed in the stadium after the game is over

Game over the football team in the locker room and shower go but the people in the stadium because now the bands G you gonna play a song I’m Gonna Play a song you gonna play a song I’m Gonna Play We have a battle of the bands in

The stadium so this is a different kind of structure but you know all of that with the regional variations there are Global HBCU all HBCU are Global but there are those who don’t have a natural Regional or place Affinity they draw from everywhere Howard is one Morehouse

Is one Spellman is one in some ways you know in many ways but those homecomings to me have a different mix of say conspicuous consumption and networking you know these are the Negroes as my dear friend and brother now ancestor Dean James Donaldson who went to Lincoln University undergrad he

Was the president of Lincoln for a couple of years between permanent presidents he uh took a leave as dean of the College of ARs and Sciences at Howard and went up to serve his Alma for a couple of years while they were looking for a president

And Dean dson Dean Dawson he he’s a Floridian very easygoing guy uh he and his colleagues established the first PhD program in mathematics at HBCU they did it at Howard University he was a graduate of Lincoln born in Florida rural Florida North Florida Panhandle uh near the Georgia state line Jim

Donaldson after he finished his degree at Lincoln the Langston Hughes Lincoln the Lincoln of uh Pennsylvania not Missouri they would not let him go to graduate school in Florida this is during Jim and Jane Crow during us apartate hardcore apartate and so he took an offer from University of Illinois finished his PhD

In mathematics at 26 years old brilliant brilliant brother Jim donalson would say you know car I went to Lincoln’s homecoming and yeah I’m the president so the alumni were there and they you know I’m an academic I’ve never made that much money and I looked at my classmates

He talked like that he had that kind of a little bit of a draw his voice was kind of high even though the guy was 6’4 so you see him and the voice that came out didn’t match so you know car was there and my you know my friends were

Driving these magnificent Town Cars and Cadillacs I said well yall done quite well quite well and so he said and then I I Sunday I Sunday afternoon I I went to the airport and and I saw all my friends at the and then he would started laughing to himself and the laugh would

Be silent at first then he started laughing a little bit louder he said I came and and I noticed at the at the rental car uh counter they were car they were turning in the Keys to the cars so conspicuous consumption where e Franklin Frasier in 1957 Black Bush YZ

Other words I’m coming to homecoming to front he said all my friends have done quite well maybe I went in the wrong business no they was renting them cars Dean they were renting them cars as president so you see this kind of fronting people putting they you know

People come to homecoming to show out I saw fur coats on Friday night in Montgomery at the AKA who also celebrating their 75th Anniversary beautiful sequins blinged out oh my God uh one of Baba Kelsey’s grandsons was like I’ve never seen this many sequins this kid is like 16 years old so of

Course this is a this is a this is a this is a revelation to him to see these old ladies these Elders in this pink and green sequin and then you see a fur what the it’s not that cold no this ain’t about temperature baby this about

Flexing we got the flex we going to the hotel yeah you got to see this ain’t nobody mad so you know you got the global universities where I think the percentage of that is a little higher the networking and you know flexing the conspicuous consumption then you got the

Local universities on the other end of the spectrum it’s whole town Affairs Tuskegee homecoming parade this town of Tuskegee shuts down gramling homecoming parade the town of gramling shuts down Stillman or oak wood the town you know then you have the betweeners those are the kind of regional universities with the big

Rivalries where you’re going to get that small town field depending on where you are so fam’s uh parade it’s gonna be a lot of black Tallahassee show up Tennessee state parade in North Nashville it’s gonna be a lot of black Nashville show up you’re G to have Jackson State’s parade most of Jackson

Mississippi everybody in Jackson gonna know about it and a lot of people in Jack the guy running for governor of Mississippi the white dude did a smart thing he came to jackon stay homecoming say he gonna support HBCU and when he was out there the cats in the tailgate

The barbecue smoke well in the Year stopped the M speech and said yeah I hear what you saying but you going to do that after you get in office and you going to do it one time you goingon to do it he said I’m going to do it the

Whole time in office he a yeah okay that’s a smart move Mississippi got enough black people to put that man in the state house and knock that Dollar General Store Tay wearing white supremacist out T Rees but the point is that these Regional universities the bigger universities going to have a mix

Of of that field now there is an element that has been introduced you know college tours are big now so people you know California for example doesn’t have well they got one Charles Drew Charles Drew in the HBCU technically but it is the black school you know trains in

Medicine well the state of California you may have seen Prof you may have seen folk they give uh they they created a program now $5,000 one-time grants for students who are students of uh Community College graduates the graduates of community colleges in California they get a $55,000 one time

Grant if they go to one of the I think it’s 39 HBCU that are on the list there 39 schools uh cat I saw Claflin on there I saw Hampton on there they 39 HBCU if they transfer their credits to those schools and take their Associates there

California will get them a one time $5,000 Grant toward their tuition that’s a beautiful thing that’s a beautiful thing it’s called a California Community College HBCU transfer partnership and uh in fact one of the two sets of parents uh two mothers one sister like I said

Who a newbi and she probably in here now brought her son and to send in on class went to see Mario went to see Dr batty and then came sing our class to whole time and the other sister she from California she brought her son they’re both uh seniors you they’re both looking

At Howard uh in fact uh the the the couple from California they’re going to be at more house and spelman’s uh graduation uh uh Homecoming this coming week uh they’re going to go down there and I said well get your get your mind right because that’s a whole another

Thing so it’s a beautiful thing to see these young people they come from all the way from California of course um but homecomings at HBC is identified with community not academics you don’t really see faculty mentioned a lot unless people are coming back and then students most old students always come back to

See me not as many now as they used to I think the shift and homecoming and Co has something to do with it but all of that in the context of a time of War which is where I want to end today in a time of War what is home what does

It mean to have homecoming you know um last week in Montgomery between Montgomery and Tuskegee on the road back and forth and spending time walking around in Montgomery and then spending time in tusky just being still there’s a lot more I want to think about in process in

That because you know universities have often turn have really turned toward being employment training bureaus and networking places but for us they have to be something else they’ve always been something else and looking at that Jeff Davis statue and looking at that Dixie marble pillar in next near Dexter Avenue

Church you know within a block all of this on land that used to be the creek in fact talk about displacement here as we talk about this time of War this is uh Oklahoma’s this this a book called uh long road to Liberty Oklahoma’s African-American history and culture and

It is uh it’s not a lot of nice Graphics in it but these are representatives of the five nations of indigenous people who were driven from Georgia from Alabama where we were which is Creek Country Mississippi all the way across to Oklahoma the so-call Trail of Tears

That you mentioned Prof and this is displacement this is displacement I mean the idea the creek land no longer Creek land and thinking about that in a moment when people are being displaced when the papers announced today this is today’s Financial Times Israel to cut Gaza

Links after war in push for new security reality what does that mean that means we ain’t giving y’all water electricity no more once this war is over we going to cut you out okay so that me they going to have their own State no we a say that right just like these people

Here you put them in a state you call the territory Oklahoma except they supposed to have they have more rights as indigenous people in North America and United States than the Palestinians have but it’s both setler colonialism don’t get cute with it I appreciate brother Twitty wrestling with this because Jew Jewish

Is not a race Jewish is not a color Jewish is a way of knowing and it’s got a lot of different people in it it’s going to be a lot of things going back and forth and and and me trying to work through this what happens when we restore

Memory so let me kind of reset here as we kind of wind them this last section the Afghan States framework that we have developed is designed to have us raise questions raise questions in order to restore full African contributions to these challenges of human existence not

To be separate as African people but say we’ve got something to say to the world that will be helpful just as we’ve said before du boy talks about that we can’t do that absent our memory but what happens when you restore memory I’m talking about deep memory I ain’t

Talking about we got out the boat slaves and now we got Barack Obama no that’s that that that’s silly memory that’s that’s social structured memory that’s the kind of memory that will sell you that you stand with something because your former captors now have folded you

In and mashed your memory down so you think that their memories are your memories and their memories are fake right Bill Maher who has not go back to the founding fathers of this criminal Enterprise but actually goes back to Hungary and iseland right Donald Trump and Joe Biden coming from Ireland and

Germany coming to right Ronda sis Italy right no no words your whiteness is recently acquired and you folded it into a criminal Enterprise narrative a social structure narrative and then you want us to bury to carry the burden of it by saying see the American Negro they are

The greatest example of they’re the most American and then you got some us TR we’re the most American okay I know you got a fact check and a fat bag for that documentary in that book but you’re killing us you’re killing us because when you do that when

They go somewhere and you saw Joe Biden you saw the mummy go up in last week in in Israel and say oh that hospital in Gaza that wasn’t bomb it was no it was bombed by the other team now what did we say last week about treating us like

It’s some kind of sporting event nobody was happier than me last night when Dusty Baker’s Astros uh in the ninth inning rallied and Jose Altuve the young the second baseman hit a home run and the Astros won I’m always going to cheer for Johnny B Baker but

This ain’t that Joe bro what’s wrong with you man what’s wrong with you the other team what kind of what kind of what kind of rhetoric is that do you really want to lose the next election because people already turned off and pissed off but it’ll be even worse if

You get them white ntional in because at that point they bringing their Bible in well that’s not true because they don’t read the Bible going anyway I’m not going to get into that the point is this point I’m making is this what happens when we restore memory the more we

Remember then we have to Grapple with the question of what we do with those memories the self-determination the saying we’re going to stand in our own space and speak to the world and invite people in and be in conversation and build toward our common Humanity but

We’re going to do it from a place we control from a home does doing that require a home base a place to stand that enables requires that feeds our ability to be fully human collectively in the world standing at a HBCU homecoming you are in a black space you

Are in a maroon space that is an African equivalent to the degree that we can get it in this criminal Enterprise set the colony set the state from colonies that is the equivalent is standing in an indigenous reservation it’s not the same but it’s space that we can be weed and

When you see people with their grandchildren when you see Elders embracing when you see classmates from 30 40 50 60 in Dr Kelsey’s case my God 75 years ago my god when you see them in the chapel singing their Alma moer and I I love all

The HBC Alma moders but I think Tuskegee might got everybody beat because it talks about service and mother Tuskegee and one things I like about Tuskegee is it’s an indigenous word like Tennessee Tennessee state I’m not real bold about putting white people names on my chest

Even if it’s HBC I don’t care whether it’s General Oliver ois Howard or Loris Spelman Rockefeller or Henry morehous I’m really not keen on it I’ll do it and have done it and we’ll continue to do it but I like it when it’s at least an indigenous word you understand and so in

This season of homecomings I’m thinking about the meaning of home what is the meaning of home you know when you know I think about of course Charlie Smalls the great uh songwriter wrote the lyrics to home and The Whiz and Stephanie Mill says you

Know when I think of home I think of a place where there’s love overflowing I wish I was home I wish I was back there with the things I’ve been knowing I mean you know you always want to go home now you got to leave home to

Come home and you bring what you’ve learned and those definitions of Home are important sometime home ain’t that cute you think about the great Gil Scott Heron his famous beautiful tortured and revelatory song home is where the hatred is a junkie walking through the Twilight I’m on my way

Home I left three days ago no one seems to know I’m gone home is where ever hatred is home is filled with pain and it might not be such a bad idea if I never never come home again he’s a junkie he don’t want to come home and

Visit that on his people he don’t want them to see him like that in his song all the places we’ been he bringing all that stuff back in fact I was rereading this great special issue of Southern Exposure Southern black utterances today and in this it talks about you know when

You come home you don’t want your people to see you in a certain State and when you talk about the south this is from when did they publish this uh this was from the uh 1975 but I love this volume because the special editor of this volume of poetry

And photography and about black people in the south in the US the special uh editor of this volume is the great Tony K bombara Tony K bombara Southern black utterances today I felt all of this in Alabama last week and I know that those people who are on the West Bank the West

People people in Gaza you got to bring home with you but home is also where the hatred is you could play that Gil Scott heren song and think about what’s going on right now so what is the definition of home you know you know as the war

Intensifies what does it mean what does it mean to have a home to not have one or to want to be able to and not be able to come and go home so let’s look at some definitions of home very quickly one is you know we look at the ancient

Egyptian we do that because in our African St framework we ground ourselves in the oldest traditions and then we compare them as we come through time and space not to go back there to stay you can’t do that that’s absurd but to bring forth geneologies that we are defining for

Ourselves I am not from England so baywolf that’s great Middle English Old English that’s fine but guess what as your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great father it would be foolish of me to go to the child for a

Definition when our definitions continue to resonate so among the Egyptians you have the word per per p r as we would pronounce it but it’s a picture of an enclosure it means house that don’t mean home as we know from Lu vandros but perat that means House of books per

Perw the great house or per um Pharaoh is what they would say now the great house is a concept of a a house but per which is a word in ancient Egyptian that is derived from per from house that means to come and go movement to come

Out of to come out of to to reveal a secret so this is what we do here I’m going to reveal some of this to you so you see people coming to HBCU homecomings who are not of African descent they just want to see what’s the secret because I heard about it in

Ludicrous song I heard biggie talking about it you can come we’re not going to change what we’re doing you can come we ain’t going to stop you either but we not going to stop ourselves you know Perry also means you know to to to to to

To to go forth and come back engaged in something like a war to protect your home to come through something so that may me think about Gaza and West Bank as well and Israel the idea of protecting your home you know the un uh the UN had a resolution condemning the violence and

The United Nations uh the United States vetoed it last week because they said didn’t include language on Israel’s right to self-defense they fighting in the United Nations right now because Mass commercial uh entertainment news media is showing one side and I say one side is if they’re two sides as we said

Last week there were a number of sides but you know you see people that CNN’s on the ground and you see these folk coming in saying CNN you promote genocide genocide oh now you stuck now you stuck because you’re live what you gonna do you can’t come in here and make

This a sporting event but for the uh the Oxford English Dictionary you know well let let me let me let me go to another one among the eura people you have a word El elay means house right elay el e the oldest the spiritual center of Eur

Ways of knowing we might call Epi el e is a great book by Jacob Oona called uh city of 2011 Gods he talks about this being the sacred city in Southwest Nigeria in uh osun state yba land this is the place we come for Renewal this is

The place people travel from all over the world Maxine Kamari Clark’s book uh mapping yba networks people traveling from all over world got to go to El e got to go to the place you see um babun Olatunji in his song Aki Woo which was on the uh 1960 Drums of passion album

Aki Wooi take me homei take me home take me to the house of my father everybody want to go home what happens when you ain’t got no home to go to or where home if home is where the hatred is in a moment of homecoming at HBCU

Everybody want to I go here don’t matter where you come on come on get your a plate come on listen this band if it’s sunny a gr we gonna ball in parlay who yeah come on bring your children to the parade so they can see what the future

Looks like it’s a beautiful thing and and so in Europe about you see this idea time space imagination come home now the Oxford English Dictionary we go to the European and we see some interesting definitions I wrote a couple of them down I don’t even know if I put brought

My card over here because I know we we’re going over but the the idea yes in Old English and part of Middle English it’s the word home means a village or town a collection of dwellings okay that but it’s not used anymore that’s an archaic use now it’s

More like a Dwelling Place an abode a final a residence a family residence a seat of domestic life and interests I don’t like looking up stuff on the internet unless it’s a source I know so I go to the Oxford English Dictionary I got the whole volumes over there you go

And look and look for the atmology it’s a place of one’s dwelling and one’s nurturing it’s a a a point uh aimed at regeneration you go home to regenerate what happens if you ain’t got no home HBC homecomers people are coming to regenerate it’s also a point of a

Thing that you aim at that you’re trying if you’re trying to hurt something you damage it or if you’re trying to make something effective you hit it in other words the heart of the matter the heart the home of the matter the thing itself the essence think about that that’s very

It’s Al like the ultimate destination like your grave your final resting place that’s where your home is going to be and if you think about it that regeneration is very important think about the idea of black people going back to the South that’s why I love Southern HBCU homecomings Deep South

Because DC technically in the South I’m talk about Deep South why because it reminds me of uh uh pearly Victorious we did pearly when I was in undergrad at Tennessee State I played pearly in fact and there’s a song in the Pearly uh in pearly the the music

Um what’s the brother who was in Hamilton he’s playing perly now on Broadway uh Leslie uh what’s Leslie Odum Leslie Odum be man talented brother he playing pearly and I said I gotta go see this because I played pearly I want to see this brother do it on Broadway in

The way and there’s a song that he plays with the sister uh with the sister uh Dita Gibson was the sister who played opposite me she’s an ancestor now it’s called Down Home the ties of home that bind the strong and Georgia is my home Sweet Lord we talking about down home down

Home people talk about going down home you’re going home for regeneration but what happens if you don’t have a song Oxford English Dictionary going through the English language in particular they go through the German and the French but then they get to the English they say home which

Is has its origin in the English you tell these English words because they’re usually not polycab anyway heart fist stick home home also means in this geneal in this atmology uh it means native land every time I sing LIF every voice and saying I throw my fist in the

Air true to our god true to our native land you want to lose your money bet that I’m talking about the United States of America I’m never talking about the United States of America and I’m sure the Johnson Brothers were but I’m also sure that most of us who threw that fist

Up in the air if you put your fist up in the air I know you ain’t thinking about that red white and blue blood drench settler state flag I know you’re not and it’s okay because when you say native land people can take from it what they

Need to hear but at the same time home means where your place who is your place our fight is for home and guess what we don’t be thinking about that flag your friend and brother Roy Wood Jr when he does that comedy bit about black people thinking about America we talking about

The cities we from we talking about the places we from the play we’re not talking about the large Enterprise so when they come up and stay we stand with no that’s you that’s you Mommy and you narrating like a like a game you need guess what there there are

Protest all over this country all over the world there a big one in DC today I’m gon slide through there at some point but it’s also finally a place of Refuge home a place of Refuge a place of rest a place for those who have been harmed where one is free from Attack

This is the place that one is trying to reach can we just let people be at home go home what does it mean to be involuntary displaced whether you’re trailer teers whether you’re in Africa town in Mobile like when we read baracon in in in office hours that’s the place

From which you wage your most effective resistance uh Jesse Guzman we stopped by the headquarters of the Tusk civic association there’s Jesse parkur Guzman who was uh who followed um Monroe work who was Monroe work’s assistant for decades and then he passed away and she took over publishing this the Negro

Yearbook this is a bad sister right here everybody should know her Jesse peners Parkers Guzman we drove by her house which is now the Tuskegee alumni house so alumni can chill there right across the street from it is the headquarters of this Tuskegee civic association this

Is the group that filed the lawsuits and who filed those lawsuits on their behalf the same brother born in Montgomery practice law in Tusk to this day we went by his Law Office saw the building that’s the great Fred gray Fred 92 years old still practicing law Fred Gray from

A place that we control from a home said I’m going to destroy everything segregated Fred G Martin Luther King’s lawyer Rosa Park lawyer clette clov K cl’s lawyer Charles gilon gillion versus Lightfoot the Voting Rights case that triggered the Voting Rights revolution in the country that’s where we were last

Saturday and Sunday Last Friday in tuskeegee in Montgomery this is where the war took place and you don’t win by turning your ID identity your home over other people we didn’t even get hardcore to Palestine today but I want to I want to pause there I will mention one other

Thing I want to say Dr Wright Tyne Wright uh it was good thing to see her I had a copy of Ty’s book but I didn’t have a sign copy we stand in front of the Booker T Washington Monument and she said oh Dr Carr I I brought some copies

Of my book this is Booker T Washington and Africa the making of a pan africanist this is tyene Wright very excellent book on book T Washington’s ties and attitudes toward the continent of Africa it’s complicated who we are to other people is different than who we

Are to each other and whether it be your home this isn’t to exclude anybody in Israel I’m reading I got a shelf of book over here now dealing with this Palestine Israel conflict we probably continue more talking about this next week but uh yam Yanik I may put this

Book down commander of the Exodus this is about the commander of a ship this ship 20 more than 24,000 displaced Holocaust survivors were sent to Palestine guess who was trying to stop them on July 18th 1947 a rickety ship carrying nearly 4,500 Holocaust Survivors approached the hia Border

Harbor and was attacked by a British Navy intent on keeping the refugees out of Palestine so you know what it’s like not to have a home trying to get a home the very people who told you come down here tell you not to come down here and then

You fast forward to 20123 and you trying to block a crossing and cut off everybody’s electricity and water what the hell is going on have you taken on the habits of these people who will persecu you in the first place you got to speak truth to power that’s my man

Manny marble and I should probably stop with that if you want to read about Fred gray I would recommend uh bus ride to Justice this is his Memoir also Alabama versus King this is him a more recent book this came out last year and so think about I’ll show

You to you one more time there’s Alabama versus King and this is bus ride to Justice you see here so I’m G stop there and uh we’ll pick up next week but again homecomings and time of War what is home as African people we shouldn’t be thinking about this the way these Rah

People thinking about it because it ain’t the same thing hold the books up again because I I erroneously uh gave a wrong view hold on this is bus ride to Justice this is Fred gray uh that’s him with Martin Luther King young cat man you believe that he said Dr king the

Kings came to Avenue the same month or same year well he’s going to tell us himself in a minute that he passed to Alabama bar there’s only two black lawyers in the state of Alabama him and the guy who had passed just before him and Fred gray said I’m coming down here

To destroy everything segregated his office now sits in a square with one street name for Martin Luther King another street named for Rosa Parks and when we rolled around there Saturday I seen the conf I seen I seen the I’ve seen the statue the Confederate statute

This in the square with them UDC stat states that they preab UDC statues I was United Confederacy I said why does the why does they have a tarp on it and sure enough in opice hours and office hours on Monday night in Nubia our brother Eric who is from there Said Fred Greg

About to get that statute because the law says you can’t touch these statues if they’re on private property so what the UDC was get these little patches of like in mon County guess what oh no I know it’s time we don’t we don’t pass the time the um

The bottom line is that Fred Gray is not gonna be satisfied to that Confederate statue comes down from in front of his office in downtown Tuskegee so I’m GNA end with that and we’ll we’ll pick up next week before we do that and let’s bring them in before we do that this um

Unfortunately probably will be going on for some time um yeah and uh it’s just really really hard as I was talking with Michael Twitty and you brought up the whz I talked to Shel Williams uh the whz is making you know like you know we need a teaspoon of sugar to help this

Medicine go down there’s joy so those of you who can catch the whz wherever it is I think it’s in Cleveland this weekend and it’s it’s G to be in uh Greenville South Carolina it’s going to be in La before it comes to Broadway uh I think

In November or March no March uh so the whz is coming back and for those of us who got to see it when we were little which I did you know um no did you yeah yeah I had the worst seat and the best seats at the same time um was I remember

Like it was yesterday Stephanie Mills um hitting battle like I I just remember uh the the talent and and the feeling of being transformed and transfixed in a moment in time and they’ve updated it Brent brought in some Louisiana T you know some some of that like yeah so

She’s Shelley Williams AA you know Tony Ward winner she is she’s coming and she also wrote a book your legacy which is a children’s book that that hearkens I think you’ve held it up a few time absolutely you’ve talked to yeah got got another book for kids so as we build our

Children’s libraries you know let’s let’s affirm uh their memory as well so that Legacy book your legacy is part of that um but she she wanted to make sure she got it right she wanted to make sure that she honored honored the because you know was a period piece she wanted to

Honor the the the feeling and the values and and you know uh what many of us and I had so many people call up to say they saw it with their parents and one brother said he saw it when he was a little boy and he’s bringing his mother

And then another woman called up said she saw it as a little girl and she’s bringing her grandchildren and there are very few places that we can be home together to to gather and watch something we can’t watch TV together because you know the TV is a little it’s

Kind of Ratchet like multi Generations cannot just sit and watch television right together you know uh but that’s something that we can do so uh that’s Jo oh wait should I yes yes do it all do it all no no no I’m not either because we

Gon back together I just just it just reminded me when you said that um that people are we and again we listen to frea gray I just want to say this very quickly because when you started with our brother Michael Twitty who didn’t have a filter we understand there’s a

Risk associated this with this people are building imaginary homes and they want us to build with them because it’s to their advantage you should be able to stand for anybody’s kind of humanity I’m thinking about people who were run out of their homes people like ilhan Omar

Run out of East Africa and found a home in in Minnesota bringing her identity and bringing her people there and elected from a district that is overwhelmingly not her somehow being accosted because she was standing for everybody’s common Humanity somebody like Rashida Tali who I know when we were in uh Detroit for

The preparations for the in Cobra conference a few years ago you know she came over to sit and talk with us and have conversation and you know this is a sister you know you look at Dear Boy Michigan a lot of Palestinians a lot of Arab Americans there but the point is

That they’re not Americans why because America means white and anybody says it doesn’t mean white look at how people are treating people who don’t fit who didn’t melt down Bill Maher who didn’t melt down Andrew Des Sanders who didn’t melt down Joe Biden who didn’t melt down in

Other words how are you treating these people who are saying this killing must stop Rashid T didn’t say Israel can’t exist Yan Omar said you know Israel has a right to exist but you want to crucify them because they don’t look like you we’re gonna roll over you like the

Ocean because you’re not part of our common Humanity right now you’re listening to the Lesser Devils of your mind you need to go to the better and we’re gonna help you with it that’s what I mean roll over we’re gonna remake you or it’s not gonna be no making and I

Wanted to say that because home for them is wherever they can find it when you got to carry your home in your memory and carry your home and even while people who are living are still suffering like rash’s family like ilhan Omar’s people you got to think about

This America means white for a lot of people and they fighting like hell to keep it that way and I want to end with uh this is from uh Rajah uh shahad going home a walk through 50 years of occupation I’m reading this too I’m thinking about in part in memory of my

Dear friend and brother Sammy yaish Sammy was a Palestinian who was a member of the Black Law Students Association Bia Watkins myself we were all law classmates and um Sammy joined Bala because he said I feel at home with y’all now he’s Palestinian we AF of African descent and we didn’t blink our

Eye he with us and I remember one time he gave us these uh the scarves right the Palestinian well there are many scarves in in Palestine um but the scarf he gave us is the one that you often see affiliated with the Palestinian Ian people the uh the scarf that talks about

You know that has among its symbols like it looks like a lattice work and he got squiggly lines representing the river and prosperity anyway oh man there a lot of people that a lot of our classmates were hot I went to I was at law school

With the with one of the children of Les Wexner who owned the limited Victoria Secret we see now that he’s pulling all this money out of the schools he said I’m taking this money away from this school donation you saw John Huntsman take 1020 million from University of Pennsylvania saying they teach hate

They’re teaching hate your money is yours to do what what you should do with your money what you want to do with it but let’s be very clear about this we need to follow suit with our resources so you got to support these spaces like this and this is the quote finally that

Raja shahada opens his book going home in this is a brother who walked the streets of rala who talked about this and I’ve got a couple of books I’m reading now about you know by Jewish authors who also have gone and spent time in these spaces and said we got to

Speak to our common human this is the quote it’s from James bwin giovan’s room Palestinian quoting African person United States bwin says perhaps home is not a place but simply an irrevocable condition so maybe home is where they can’t make you do what they want you to

Do just because they want you to do it so right now we at home in this space and I want to thank you for that Professor Hunter for this irrevocable condition we calling narrative in newb thank you Class yeah but it couldn’t be any of that without all of us oh no question so yes yes yes um you know uh you’re making me think so many things and I know we’re gonna we’re gonna run uh but fortunately we have office hours to continue to conversate yeah yeah yeah Monday night

And you know I know know everyone’s not going to read all of the books that you’re reading but if you don’t do some deep study before you open your mouth uh you were doing more harm than good uh you were not speaking from you know the recesses of your dingleberries you are

Speaking from the recesses of your mind and your heart but also from your study and it’s why I can shut up and sit back and listen and it’s why I can be corrected in real time because you know we are all learning you know the humility of that to not knowing no but

The humility of not knowing should provide us with the the fertile ground to learn right to just be okay with what we don’t know yes um there’s a lot of noise right now there’s a lot of opinions and there’s a lot of emotions yes yes but at the end of the day people

Are dying and if that doesn’t move you to say stop that these human beings are worthy of life whether you agree with them or not that you know um and we shouldn’t even have to equivocate we shouldn’t have to you know qualify that all pal Palestinians are not Hamas we shouldn’t

Even have to do that shouldn’t have to defend you know do you support terrorism because Mo nobody and if you do um you know because we do see people carrying TI Tores that support terrorism we see people in Congress that support terrorism we watch we watched an act of

Of open Terror on January 6 and we see people supporting that right we know that it is possible but the vast majority of people do not no how you show that is by how you show up so we’re gonna show up we gonna show up for Humanity and we’re gonna not be quiet

About it so I appreciate you providing us with the knowledge I’m confident I love everybody listen I love you too listen we have to protect each other because what Professor Hunter what you just said what she just said that’s at the heart of all of it thank you and we

Got to protect each other that as OED is is fing English home means very little if you can’t protect it it’s got to be a refuge this is a refuge for us that like you said that shouldn’t be controversial people should be able to live thank you

Professor love you all right let’s let’s sit with the Elder who looks the damn Same by the way you said he’s 9 he look I saw Yes yes very agree I love it the resident of Tes Alabama born in Montgomery and a recipient of the presidential Mel Freedom award today the question of

Color and is for all African-Americans is that you were born that way of course we all are however in this country since we were brought here as slaves it has been a struggle from 16008 forward to do away with the vestages of slavery and segregation and reconstruction so we

Have had to really work with it so from when I was born I had the problems I recognized it as a youth I saw saw problems we were having on buses in Montgomery I wanted to try to do something about it they told me that lawyers helped people and I decided I

Wanted to be a lawyer and wanted to end up doing away with the race problem that created it and we certainly hope that what has happened here today will help others to see if it could happen to this africanamerican 91 it can happen to them

At an earlier age when Dr King came to Montgomery nobody knew about him he became pastor of dexy Avenue Baptist Church uh the same week that I was admitted to the Alabama Supreme Court to practice law in 1954 I immediately began to work on civil rights

Cases he was just working on as a new pastor of a relatively a very educated con uh conservative churches far as racist concern because most of those members were employed by governmental bodies and everybody then as far as employers were concerned believed in segregation however when clette Carvin

Was arrested in March of 5 and Mrs Parks was arrested in December of 55 the community decided that enough is enough and we need to solve these problems so both of those persons obtained me to be their lawyers and they ended up deciding we wanted to stay off

Of the buses I was concerned about the legal aspect Joan Robinson and others were concerned about Mass participation we brought it together and as a result of that and as a result of the trial against Dr King for the anti-boycott movement we ended up introducing Dr King

To the nation but not only that the beginning of the civil rights movement and I think it all of that helped to contribute to what has happened here today for which I am thankful wait a minute hold on let me get this lady off of here um Dr Carr

First of all thank you for that um also as I’m as as I’m watching this you know um he became a lawyer because he wanted to serve he wanted to Sol a problem he wanted to serve he wanted to over overturn racism and found out that

The law was a way to do it you know and there’s there’s something about doing things with a purpose that I think that is is something for all of us right you teach you don’t just teach you not just teach you would you would teach for no

Money I know that you teach every place you go same same right um it’s because it’s what drives us and if you don’t have something that drives you please find that we need y’all we need people hold uh doing the thing that they were put here to do so I’m I’m grateful for

That and I’m gon sit with Mr Fred gray uh today I’m so glad he’s still here yeah and still practicing law I suspect if you get your team to reach out maybe get him on the radio that would be something because you teaching yeah well well we heard you know we heard Monday

Night he said you know well we can get him in the Nubia but it’d be something to put him on serious have a conversation with Fred gray this is the man like Browder versus Gil people talk about Rosa Parks he was the one that filed the lawsuit and and

And Rosa Parks and Claudette coven were his clients he’s the one that Alabama versus King when the New York Times came out we talk about Sullivan versus New York Times whatever the freedom of speech case it was Fred gray the the time they went after the times in

Alabama because of what Fred gray was doing CU they was going to put King in jail Alabama versus King it’s all Fred gray and he’s still here Professor still swinging so anyway yes love you so much love you too all right we’ll see you in the Nubian streetsan

Streets car all right bye everyone love you

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