The supposedly irreparable damage caused to India’s unimpeachable standards of hospitality for this they solely blame bjp’s brand of hindutva politics that they claimed yes viewers that they claimed was giving rise to brigades of bangis Waring to inexorably turn India into a Hindu rashtra is this Aya directed at and
Let’s just say it Hindu Cricket fans exclusively deserved not if you examine the facts viewers on several occasions we watch sports on telly and we’ve seen fans sing their favorite anthems to raise the morale of their favorite players but viewers none of them have coped the criticism that Indian cricket
Fans Hindu specifically Cricket fans have CED at the hands of people like udeni stallin and other from the so-called secular Brigade it’s as if the fans know that while sports like football or Cricket enjoy cult-like status on Earth they’re all vulnerable to uncertainties that seem to be scripted by a bigger player
So they’ve learned the hard way that it is often futile to just Place their faith on cricketing or footballing Gods here on Earth at times you just have to go upstairs to the bigger player to the higher Altar and so Pakistan’s players and of course pakistanis watching Cricket will sing their religiously
Loaded national anthems lustily viewers look at what some of these anthems say those are the words on your screens they’re suffused with religiosity Cricket fans and players alike will even offer the namas in the stands and on the ground on the cricket pitch and around it but you won’t hear
Any of the so called secular politicians of our country question the commitment of Pakistan’s cricketers or their fans to secularism you won’t hear them say that Pakistan’s fans and players are boers the English cricket team and its boisterous fans sing God Save the King routinely in high octave from the
Bleachers this is as if as you all know viewers England’s national anthem on many grounds you will see see the cross of St George fluttering in the breeze but no one pounces on the fans waving the fluttering religious symbol to declare them Latter-Day Crusaders perhaps because there is
Simply no link between a fans religious belief and viewers the way he looks upon and conducts himself while interacting with a game with a sport Britain let’s not forget is a Christian state but that hasn’t stopped its citizens from being tolerant in fact if credible po Serv are to be believed a
Majority of Britain don’t even describe themselves as Christians or even religious anymore but no viewers if Indian cricket fans chant jri Ram they must be bangis now viewers this is not these are just two facts here’s another one before every Rose Bowl final in America a performer sometimes a big rock star
Celebrity is enlisted to sing America the Beautiful the fans sing along with gusto the chorus never fails to lift spirits to inspire and unite but if you were to pay close attention to the lyrics you’ll realize that the anthem is a religious invocation America may not be a
Christian state but it is an unabashedly Christian Nation still no one dismisses all the spectators as Christian fundamentalists flags of at least 64 countries bear religious symbols do all those who wave these flags at matches do so because they are flying the banner for an imminent religious Inquisition no
Viewers they’re not they’re simply being patriotic so then why is the ey of sec is only directed towards Indian cricket fans who invoke the lord’s name or ISRO scientists who perform a Puja to ensure their mission is blessed viewers let me tell you if the laws of cricket were as
Unfair as discriminatory as the fatwas of the secular Lobby India would never ever win hello moto the big question is being posed tonight courtesy Moto g54 India’s most powerful 5G phone but let’s just open this up viewers because we have much to talk about much to discuss this evening and let’s begin
With Dr ranganathan Dr ranganathan you’ve seen it all play out I think you tweeted uh perhaps earlier today or yesterday or something as approximate as the last 2 24 hours calling out this hypocrisy but it is singularly reserved for Indian Cricket fans and let me be very very blunt here for Hindu Cricket
Fans why uh good evening Rahul there are two issues in fact I saw your primer and I think on on the left hand side you also have the the the topic of uh ISRO scientist ISRO Chief being trolled for you know going to a temple and on the
Other side you have uh you know Hindus being trolled for just shouting Jam I think let let’s be very honest here there are two issues here and I’d like to delve a little bit philosophically in this because to be honest with you I think Hindus are tired tired of this
Perpetual guilt tripping and being at the receiving end of manufactured victimhood those outraging at jri Ram being chanted are silent when Pakistani players boast of performing namas in front of a stadium full of Hindus to humiliate them they are the same people who claim Hindus provoke Muslims by taking religious processions through
Quote unquote Muslim areas I just don’t get it Rahul the actions of one boisterous fan have been extrapolated to one lakh people by that same logic why are the actions of oasi always seen in isolation look I wouldn’t have done it but then I wouldn’t have screamed every
Day at a Muslim that Shiva was the only God so Rahul the essence of aan which is quote there is no God but Allah and no one has the right to be worshiped but Allah 4062 unquote Amplified through the loudspeaker five times a day every single day whole year round is not
Provocative but saying Jam to a Pakistani player who openly exhibited his religious zeit is besides provocation is subjective only violent people are provoked into violence and talking of provocation the very existence of a kafir is provocative 986 929 456 973 2198 470 and 100 other verses the Muslims are under no
Obligation to follow the ganga Jam t or the so-called bayara in fact their scriptures specifically ask them not to was it not edar or some other SII who said Islam is a closed Corporation and the Brotherhood of Islam is not the universal Brotherhood of Man it is the
Brotherhood of Muslims or Muslims only for those who are outside this Corporation there is nothing but contempt and enmity so was edar s now asra you know I mean rul are we trying to reinvent the wheel here please tell me disbelievers are one nation do not forget that disbelievers are allies of
One another 873 do not take disbelievers as friends unless they convert and kill them if they refuse 489 also remember how the best of friends gave away the locations of Hindus like kayal and kle who supported Nur so they could be beheaded and as far as jri RAM is
Concerned Mahatma Gandhi even guilt rried us into chanting a Bajan whose devotional lyrics he secularized but not anymore Hindus are tired now Point number two this is regarding this controversy over ISRO Chief going to tirupati to seek blessings of the success for the mission and later on
Thanking the God quote I owe everything to goddess namal who leaves formula on my tongue in my dreams who said this ramanuja quote I always found solution to difficult engineering problems during the prayer of fud who said this apj Abdul Kalam narindra kapani inventor of the fiber optic cable was a religious
Seek and believer in the Divinity of the Sacred gurus quote earth was formed by God in six days who said this Raymond dadian inventor of the mrii would those Chi fails abusing ISRO scientists and Chiefs for offering prayers at tirupati for the success of their missions also now cancel ramanujam and Kalam look
Believers can be great scientists yes as a deranian atheist for one believe that science is the antithesis of religion and that God does not exist and that especially after the discoveries of hble and Darwin scientists who believe in those discoveries must not believe in God as a Creator but this doesn’t mean
That those who believe he or she does exist cannot pursue science or be brilliant at it and For Heaven’s Sake how Shameless can you be when you scoff at a Believer like the esro chief but yourself believe that Prophet ascended to heaven in on a on on a horse winged
Horse so please let us not guilt trip Hindus anymore we are simply tired of this simply tired of this Sanjay J simply tired this is now becoming an obsession with one side of our Pol respons sir uh Rahul I’ll take half the time that the previous panelist took but I
Will request not to be interrupted uh I have two short points to make Point number one in most sports including Cricket especially in international tournaments you have the national anthems that are played out for both the teams the countries that are playing the match and that’s where basically it all
Ends thereafter it’s all the sport you know I’m a big Cricket lover you know that I have been part of that world for a long time and Frankly Speaking I have grown up and I think so have you and I may be wrong of course that Cricket we
Always say cricket in India is a religion now I think there are people who are finding that religion is coming into Cricket I mean there is an argument I mean let’s not you know your program started by talking about secularists as if they are some kind of you know
Apostates I mean that’s in the Constitution so please don’t blame a secularist for being a secularist and having a Viewpoint that some people may not agree with I have two points to make though Gotham gambhir happens to be an Member of Parliament from the bhartia J
Party he’s from the BJP but I’ll tell you what Gotham gambhir I think before he’s a a BJP MP he is a cricketer he’s played for India and I think he’s been an absolutely wonderful success story for India including in the World Cup Final in 2011 guess what he
Said none of us here by the way whether is I don’t know whether suant serin has been the opening fast bowler or or the other Gentleman on the program has been a batsman Gotham gambir played for India he played against Pakistan and by the way an extreme ex pugnacious person and
Someone who by the way took no prisoners when he batted he’s also very aggressive with the way he speaks but even he went on to point out Rahul this is important that the way the crowd behaved he said that’s not the way you treat your guests
When they come to play in your country my second Point Muhammad shami plays for India Rahul I want to remind you just in case you not aware of this I do assume that you will be aware of it T20 match against Pakistan he gave away a lot of
Runs and India lost the match do we remember how he got trolled guess who defended him then India Captain Virat kohle hats off to vat standing up for his team member guess what happened for Virat kohle because he defended his team member saying this is horrible verat koh’s child an innocent
Young child was threatened with the most vulgar physical act by an IIT student from Hyderabad I can’t even repeat the horrific stuff that was told I want you to tell the people of of you know of maybe people can Google it the credentials of the community to which
That IIT grad belonged to and that will tell you the kind of viciousness that has come into our country why was Virat trolled why was his child threatened with the most V unimaginable horror because Virat Koh stood for Muhammad shami what a tragedy this has become I
Can tell you I have I know some of the cricketers of the past I don’t know the current crop none of these guys play with any hatred in them I saw pictures of you know verat kohi giving his jersey to Babar aam that’s the spirit in which
You play the game and I can tell you this much I have not I I will not disclose his name I happen to know a very popular former Indian Captain okay people can can speculate who it is you know what he told me not so long ago he
Said when we used to go to play in Pakistan the kind of love and affection we got not just from the public but from the cricketers themselves was incredible and I am part of the political ecosystem I’ll agree with you rul politicians have a tendency to polarize everything but I
Think we should leave the sports out of it I really would request you to do that well let me just uh quickly on two points just uh quickly come back to you San J number one I didn’t refer to secularist as if there were some lesser Creed in this country I refer to
So-called secularists who now indulge in a new sport which is called secular cherry picking so they pick up one stray incident or two and on the back of that to push their own sort of agendas they manufacture a larger narrative now remember viewers none of us here are fans of people sitting
Around and picking on cricketers ET on the field I think that much we must establish here amongst all of us and I think Dr ranganathan also mentioned that he may not have done something like that but the point is viewers what do you do when a player from Pakistan a man called Danesh
Caneria or before him a person of Christian faith who went on to become the captain of Pakistan said that all Pakistani players were subscribing to the taigi jamat Outlook and they had converted to that certain belief system and were actively sitting and converting others saying that if you did not convert you can’t
Play and then we have have people who go out there and persecute minorities because they don’t happen to be tjs T jamatis viewers when those players can’t be true to their own what will they be true to visitors and Sanjay J has you believe that they are laying out the red carpet
For you in Pakistan let me tell you viewers let me tell you and you can look this up since sanj jar referred to Google what the population of Hindus siks and others in Pakistan was in 1947 and where it stands today so much so viewers for the tolerance of a
People as I said I began by saying viewers today and I want to bring in Susan serin suan serin the fact of the matter is that a large number of Indian fans lustily cheer for Bangladesh players they give them standing ovations for afghanistani players they give them a standing ovation for
Buddhist players of Sri Lankan Orion for the Christian hym reading players of New Zealand as well as England whose national anthems are really religious songs we have no problems with all of those but here if someone gets up and responds to a provocation it becomes
Uh I I don’t even know what to say it becomes an inquisition against Indian cricket fans how do you see this I see it with you know a lot of contempt for these people because most of them are in any case now The Fringe uh San took one example and I I
Completely agree with him that that was a Despicable U character who tweeted that but uh you know that one that same person was was was slammed by virtually everybody I don’t know of anybody who actually stood up in support of that guy whatever that guy tweeted that that horrifically vulgar and Despicable tweet
So for sanj had to make it as though that was the ruling framework and the same thing has happened to other players KL Rahul for example I remember the last match which we had lost to Pakistan and and and there was this Twitter space
Which went on for about 6 or 8 hours and you had to hear the kind of language that was used and how sanj this guy KL Rahul was uh was was strolled in that particular space yeah that happens Cricket is however not a religion it
When this is a tagline this is a tagline line to show that people are very passionate about it but people are also very passionate about other things increasingly so and uh Rahul you are absolutely right you know a lot of people have accused that this is very communal atmosphere where was the
Communal atmosphere yesterday when the crowds were lustily cheering for Afghanistan I don’t know who was cheering for England but I know definitely everybody was chairing for Afghanistan and that’s not exactly a mixed religious team it’s a team full of Muslim Muslims is that not right uh the
Same thing and you’ve given the other examples so nobody gives a damn about anybody else’s religion but if the other side brings in religion then I think there will be a push back when you decide that you are going to make this very overt uh show of religiosity on a cricket field there
Will be push back then don’t that if you are going to do it somebody else is also going to do it right then don’t feel bad about it it’s the same Pakistani fans the same Pakistani cricketers who have trolled other players uh because of their religion because of everything
Else and they have used uh horrific kind of slogan earing and other stuff to troll people that time I don’t see any of these so-called secular guys you know getting their knickers in a Twist and getting very angry about it or fuming about it I don’t see them talk about
What happens in Pakistan and for this whole thing that very good mehman nawazi in Pakistan that same person who does a lot of good mehman nawazi is also the relative of a man who killed 230 people in Bomb Blast in Sanjay jahaz City I don’t know if Sanjay J remembers that
Particular incident and has been responsible for numerous murders so don’t give me this nonsense about oh they all love us so much there’s so much of mman Nasi that’s utter nonsense you bring in the politics out there and then you see what they think of of you how
They treat you let me give you another example R just on the day India lost uh India sorry one to against Pakistan just two days back there is a television program on Pakistan television your great icon vasim Akram is out there he’s talking about it and they have they have
Blanked out that particular bit if you want I can send you that clip okay and it’s very clear what he said he’s talking about a cloud crowd and then very contemptuously a 8 lak H do we say in Pakistan we’ll say Pakistani crowd was very hostile vasim Akram who you will put on
Your head out here and Lord him as though he’s some kind of a cricketing God he could have been a good Cricket player but I I I don’t I I wouldn’t forget it I don’t want to see it on on on your television channel how much contempt I have for that third rade
Fellow and all of them vakar yunas yeah there was another fast baller who after he was thrown out of IPL and incidentally IPL stopped taking pakistanis not during the SII regime it took it under the regime which even San J does not belong to now he’s been also thrown out it was
Those people who stopped Pakistan coming into India and for 6 years under their uh tenure so don’t give me this nonsense about you know and and that that one fast baller of theirs says Hindu when you speak like this why shouldn’t there be a push back against
You and that trolling will happen it tells you what many people in India think about the pakistanis and I don’t have any problem with it because that is the same treatment the pakistanis meet out to us whether on their television screens whether on the cricketing field whether
In stadiums whether in other parts of the world where you know there are mixed populations it always happens out there yeah so you know just getting your you know a fire under your backsides because somebody decided that you know he’s going to do this I I don’t see how it
Defines either India or it defines Indian population it does not happen with other teams and if it happens with Pakistan it’s power for the course it’s power for the course okay spoken very clearly okay yes Dr ratan and sanj J yes Dr ranganathan yes no very briefly suant
Has said exactly you know his elated all the points that every one of us have in mind maybe I can add a couple more one of the examples that maybe it slipped his mind was one Pakistani commentator when India lost he told the Pakistani Captain kuf these are the kind of things
That they talk about they use us as even lesser than human beings with content attt now the problem is selectivity out here Sanjay away from the panels is a gentleman a lovely person on panels he becomes so selective if tomorrow I were to just talk about the people who
Attended the funeral of yakub Memon tens of thousands of them would I say that all the Muslims in India are buding terrorists no I wouldn’t why do you pick cherry pick small small things that then you extrapolate to everyone is behaving like that for example just one example
One second one example and you can respond yeah just have patience s you have your time now finally you see suchan said absolutely correct everything but I have to say this my philosophical Point has not been addressed because if tomorrow I were to say blare out five times a day that
Shiva is the only God you cannot worship any other God will I be called a communal bigot or not this question remained unanswered very quickly would you he be called a communal bigot yes or no Sanjay J if he were to blurt out that Ram is
The only God five times a day Rahul neither Mr serin nor Mr ranganathan could answer as to why does a BJP MP and a star cricketer of India Gotham gambhir believed that the crowd’s behavior was extremely unfortunate this is not some secularist defined by many people no one
Minute second Point hats off to Virat Koh and his better half Anushka for for giving that that young I would call him as a [ __ ] who used the most vient language and suan serin was trying to be clever by half by saying you know what nobody supported him you know Mr serim
What you should recognize and you can’t Dodge it through some kind of intellectual sistory what prompted him what gave him the goal to say what he said that is the fundamental problem you can’t Dodge that by some kind of you know Goble on very slippery ground what
Gave no one second can I ask you a followup question since you said what gave him the goal you know there was a former prime minister there was a horrible crime that was committed in Delhi in 1984 do you remember that crime mhm it was a massacre of
Siks mhm forget about the provocation since you don’t believe that you know provocations matter forget about the provocation and it shouldn’t it should not matter but this prime minister got up and he says rationalizing buter what kind of mindset made him was he some sort of um Hindu bigot I’ll answer that yeah
I’ll answer that please answer you know what you know what Rahul you don’t have to go too far I want to remind you of a chief minister by I’m asking you a specific question ask you a specific question you will change the you want to what this is what he
Said who was he talking about he was talking about terrorists one second have a look what isan you see viewers it’s easy as as Dr ranganathan was saying it’s easy for Sanjay J unfortunately to cherry pick when you pick that and you and you take it to its logical extreme I only pull
Out an example yes now for example okay one second one second gentlemen we are speaking over each other Mohammad Sid when he started bowling in the first over or so he gave away a lot of runs okay I also have to go to Mr follow to see what was said
About gentlemen gentle let’s not speak yes very quickly Dr ratan and then what is the mind you seean sanj one second you know you talked about Muhammad shami being the first time please please don’t don’t don’t talk over each other let’s yeah the what he what he doesn’t say Rahul is that the
First time Muhammad shami was trolled was in 2016 this is Times of India report and he was trolled by Muslims he was saying why the hell are you exposing your wife like this shame on you shami so that San won’t talk about the trolling of Muhammad shami by Muslims he
Will cherry to the extent that it becomes absolutely obsessive and Psychopathic I’m sorry okay so let me ask you Aikman look you are talking about who condemned whom how you know not enough people condemned the IIT chap or whatever his name was or people did or not but I just want to ask
You for a moment let’s not forget that that chap was prosecuted under the law a large number of people including the cricket fraternity large number of politicians Etc all stood up against that siko and shamed him but no one stood up for Anil dpat yusf Yana danish caneria when they were
Told that either they convert or they basically get lost one did one from YF Yana became Muhammad YF became cricket captain of the team in Pakistan aik rman why would cricketers insist that only people of one particular religious sectarian affiliation can play the game of cricket what is that where
Does that impulse come from aiku rman and this is now very well documented a former manager in 2007 when the Pakistan team lost the World Cup or knocked out of the World Cup in West Indies is on record to say they were only bothered about converting their fellow players
And even now it it has been said so can I ask youman why why do those players only believe that Muslims of a particular tribe can play cricket and no one else and if they do then they must be kufur Rahul a lot of you know religious connotations have been used in our
Debate and I think it is uncalled for unless we seek or aim for a consensus or a closure on certain issues now there can be a difference between there should be a difference between boasting a religious um action and performing an obligatory prayer because the time is
There and the obligation is there within that time you have to offer the prayers and boasting is not related to namas as far as I am are sure about it now if you believe that cricket is in itself a religion then I said that why to call
For these trolls and these you know uh Fringe elements will be using their using their uh attire to bring in these sort of issues why are you and me wasting our time on your debate related to this particular issue one of the panelists used religion and he used a hate speech
According to the Supreme quote uh this thing directions that Quran and Allah is responsible for these you know issues and whatever action he would like to say that we should not say Allah abbar because Allah is great or I do not believe believe that Vish karma is also
Like that’s not fair that’s not fair you are now whipping up hate against Dr ranganathan by misting him so that he also loses his head now hang on just a minute thean was misquoted no pleas the Quran was misquoted on your debate Mr the Quran was mised the Quran mentioned
Correctly one second one second one second why Islamic person is allowed to speak about the Quran why you allow non Islamic will you allow me to have my related to what said about and Krishna let me tell you this is still a free country okay let’s not shout let’s
Not on the religion of Hinduism I need to I need to one second one second to one second my simple question to you R I cannot quote quranic verses Quran is for everyone even for believers and non-believers who the hell made you an Islamic SCH minute I’m lowering
Everyone’s one second one second one second rman S one second the question was very simple to you I don’t know why we went off on okay fine you have a problem with somebody quoting the Quran it has been accepted your point has been accepted everyone has heard it all the
Viewers have heard it we will not quote the Quran okay apologies to you sir for quoting the Quran not nice to quote the Quran okay fair enough we accept your and we apologize to you for quoting the Quran only Muslims must quote the Quran but one
Second one second I want to come back to the question to you Mr and let’s not lose our rag here let’s be calm let’s be patient with each other everyone has had a fair amount of time to speak and I want to give you that time to speak I’m
An understanding person and I want to ask you mrman now very very simp simply I asked you a very simple question and you can’t get away by saying oh you know some people will try to because you know Cricket is thought of as a religion it’s only a metaphor people love Cricket so
Much that they think it as much or as great as a religion it doesn’t means sir that is actually you know uh ritualized in the way that certain practices are associated with certain religions nothing to do with that it’s a metaphor so let’s not misquote people I’m only asking
Mrman if there is a team that believes that only people of a particular stripe can belong to that team where does this come from sir and does this belong this thinking belong to a dressing room a sports dressing room or even a sport just asking you
Sir yeah R if you are you know posing this question to that fellow of the Pakistani origin you must make it clear in your mind that Pakistan is not only a terrorist state but it is a bigoted Islamic State okay and the things coming from the Pakistani people of such kind
Are full of bigotry I’m so glad does Islam you know can be connected with this bigotry that’s a larger question and that’s why I do not accept your apologies but I will demand an apology to the person who said and misquoted mind you quoting the Quran I accept it
But misquoting and quoting it out of context earlier he was saying I can’t even quote Quran earlier this so-called Islamic scholar sham guy I never said it replay itting out of context out of context now who is interrupting he was he was demanding from San
By one second one second let me just let me just come in here no on this question one second just let me just come in now sir you’re an Islamic scholar one second Dr R one second you know you’re an Islamic scholar Aikman B you talk about context you know there are certain
Ladies in Iran who talk about a particular context with regards to the hijab do you know what is happening to them sir so are we allowed to even speak about the context that is the question I want to ask you because if you do you might be
Killed as they are and one has of course just won a Nobel Prize yes ask him to courot 489 yeah congrats to the one Believers as friends unless they convert and look I’m running out of time look I’m running out again again H speed I’m no no please I’m running out
Of time I’m running out of time I’m running out of time the fact is viewers we’re going to take a short break when we are back we are speaking to the Israeli ambassador to India and he has a message to the ecosystem that you all must hear very very
Closely we’re coming back in 3 minutes viewers hello Moto electricity busy and normal and active place but right now it’s very nicely planned well buil City with greeneries clean streets and nice houses but tragically there is nobody who is living right now here and this is the town of zero which was under heavy attack from
Hamas Terrorist on 7th of October of the thousands of rockets that were fired from Gaza targeting Israeli cities many of them fell in uh the city of zero also Ashkelon uh was also another city ashod was the city when those who were attacked and those are nearer to the
Gaza Strip these are the remnants of what is left what had happened on the day uh when this attack happened on the city of Z There’s an eie vibe in the entire town uh when we see this ghostly Town nobody around and it wears a very the city wears a look that is of a utopian world where the city is built nobody’s there Behind me what we are seeing uh is uh is those CB machines are clearing the debris of 7th of October when uh the entire uh region or the entire locality was taken hostage by the Hamas terrorist uh the police station which is now in rubble was also taken hostage by these
Terrorist and about 20 to 30 people from the city were killed including policemen in the police station several of the Hamas terrorists about 20 of them were also killed during the hours of gun fight that ensued following the attack of terrorist in the city uh and as you
Have seen the the entire town has no citizen only the the reservist the people the the police security Personnel or some of the media persons have been around this place uh covering the story of tragedy the trail of Destruction [Applause] and then feat you would see for 100 m there
Is not a single person that uh is visible and entire town buildings hospitals education institutes centers of activity viewers we are here at the Israeli Embassy with the Israeli Envoy to India n gilam thank you very much Ambassador for speaking to CNN news8 we’ve spoken earlier on other occasions
But never one as perhaps somber as this first of all condolences for all the losses that Israel has suffered in this dastardly terror attack thank you the one positive of course is that Israel is getting a lot of sympathy especially from the Indian government you’ve already seen the Prime Minister
Statements and he’s reiterated at at the P20 meet where he also talked about the importance of snuffing out Terror how do you see the Indian government stand as of now um I was very much moved H by the reaction not only of the Indian government of the Indian people it
Started very strongly with the Prime Minister who very early already in Saturday a week ago in the afternoon few hours after uh the whole thing started and even the magnitude was not clear yet I think that then we spoke about few tens of murdered we didn’t understand the the magnitude he already
Tweeted um following him I got phone calls from all layers of Indian Society from ministers who said you know it’s not protocol I do it on my private capacity I would like to share condolences from high civil servants a military men who phoned businessmen the biggest businessman here
Either sent a message or phone and on social media we are we are stormed with support and love of course also of the other side there are also opponents but the majority of what we feel is a extreme warmth from the Indian side and and the support it’s a complex issue as
You know and there are complexities that also have an impact on the Indian conversation so to speak in our country we have a large number of in fact some would say the world’s largest Muslim minority in our country and obviously when the Prime Minister took a position
As he did the opposition came out and said that look we should have been more balanced what do you think of the view the prevailing view that we need to be balanced at this time I think that uh this kind of attack that was perpetrated is unique and one of its
Kind we never had it this is in the early in the morning of Saturday and the Jewish holiday ER Isis Kamas now I in the past I used to call it Isis like but it’s not Isis like it’s Isis Kamas Isis are the same they came they stormed 30 Jewish
Communities over the Border they butchered uh more than 1300 people babies women elderly kidnapped we have 3,000 uh more than 3,000 wounded they kidnapped we don’t know exactly the number but at least 130 people uh many babies they kidna many elderly they kidna from the age of 9 months to the
Age of almost 90 H unbelievable so I don’t think it’s parallel to anything and I I saw people trying to put it in a context as you would call there is no context because if someone tries to put it in a context that there is the conflict you justify in another way H
Terrorism there is no justification for terrorism especially not for Isis cruel murderous H activities so I’m totally against people saying that it has to be put on the context of the Israeli Palestinian because or that the Israel reaction has to be ER balanced or the same or the same magnitude what do we
Have to now come and Butcher and cut the heads and rape women and this is balanced we want us to do the same this is all these reactions are really really bothering for for me you know that we’ve had traditional ties with the Palestinians and we have of course
Champion the Palestinian cause at International fora do you think that that uh particular history is something that um you are wary of personally as you go forward and perhaps as this war intensifies do you think that the Indian government might be under pressure to course correct I don’t think so because the the
Principal position is uh fighting terrorism uh has no limits as has no borders has to be very strong and clear I hope that uh and I believe that the Indian government holds this position and will be also persistent on that of course there will be more and more ER
Calls coming out and when you see more uh pictures from The Other Side ER but I think the line has to be kept these elements like Isis has have to be eradicated of Earth these are people that have no conscience you know among the dead and the the murdered the butchered the
Kidnapped ER there were many foreigners including Muslims by the way Muslim Arab Israelis they couldn’t care less they couldn’t care less who they were killing they were killing Just For the Kill sake of killing and creating panic in the population and that has to be eradicated
And I think all the normal countries in the world who want to make the world the better place should support Israel in eradicating these elements how do you respond to those who say that um this is now Collective punishment this is not just about eradicating the Hamas but
You’ve just had the Egyptians and they’ve come out and said that this is now imposing a collective punishment on the Palestinian people let’s agree that we have to eradicate this organization once you understand that and you understand the fact that they are using their population as human Shields so
There are 2.2 million people in Gaza we requested the population to evacuate to the southern part so we can work without civilian population many has have accepted it but Hamas was starting to shoot at them and stop them and not let them go south because they don’t want to
Confront us without the human Shields so it’s not about punishing it’s about going after the perpetrators bringing back the kidnapped so we have very clear ER ideas and intentions and we are not the ones occupying Gaza from 2005 Israel left Gaza Gaza is other occupation it’s true under occupation of Kamas the
People are hostages by the regime there well some people will say that you’ve turned the Gaza Strip into an open air prison and there are people from Palestine who’ve been on my show and that’s what they’ve accused you of they’ve said you’ve constructed in ath hiide wall that there is state aath
Hiide that uh Palestinians are not given equal rights they are checked when they come into Israel they are subjugated to dehumanizing checks Etc how do you respond to those people so first of all there can’t be a partide when they are alone it’s their own country under their
Control there is no one Jew from 2005 no one Jew there so the word apar I don’t understand it if you have your own regime you have don’t have Jews we are not in control Hamas is in control so I don’t get it and first they also have an
Exit to Egypt people forget that they have an exit aborder with Egypt uh seemingly they didn’t have any problem bringing in a lot of ammunition Rockets TNT whatever explosive whatever they brought in no problem cars pickups uh motorcycles that were used to go in Isis kind of operation so uh I think
That H first of all it’s a it’s an international border for us and we are entitled to open or close it you can decide if you open your border with Pakistan you close the border with Pakistan so I I am not compelled to bring any one from Gaza into is it’s we
Are sovereign state and we can do whatever we want but in contrary to that I would say that in the last year and a half or so Israel was making a great effort to improve the life the the the level of Life ER in Gaza and was
Bringing in ER many many workers 15,000 I think a day more or less these people H helped a lot the gazan because everyone like that is supporting maybe 20 people of the family they bring good salaries from Israel and and there was a growth and some Prosperity relative
Prosperity in the economy but Hamas don’t care about it we thought that when we do that and we improve the level of living so Hamas will have another incentive or this incentive to to warm you know to create problems and that was part of the surprise and the misconcept
That we had but Hamas represents democratically since at least 2007 it’s uh public and it’s not as if the public there the Palestinian public has it out for them they’re not sort of reacting to them how do you draw this distinction so first of all they don’t have elections
They had but they don’t for many years they didn’t have election so you know this is called a one election system you elected once and from that time on you don’t you I’m I’m telling you that there is opposition there are videos coming out there are talks we we see here
People but they’re afraid they also people in Iran are afraid and from time to time there is an outbreak but in general people are disconn discontent and more than 50% of the population probably in Iran but yet the outbreaks out of fear of the governments and the
Power of the governments they are they are scarce so I don’t I think it’s a dictatorship for many of the people some are supporters of some are enjoying you know that we in then in the first day we bombed there the the most privileged neighborhood were we evacuate we told
Them to evacuate first of were all the heads of Kamas all the Villas of the heads of Kamas so they have a good life these who are in side but most of them are living in Qatar in in Istanbul in different capitals having a very good
Life sending their people to die and to suffer they don’t care less bombing campaign from the air will obviously entail some collateral damage and we are now getting images of U obviously civilians they also being killed now how far can you go because there’s only that
Much you can do to break down Hamas through the air is there a land invasion now imminent so we say that we are going land I mean we accumulated huge forces around Gaza ER we understand that in order to eradicate Kamas you will have
To go in you will have to catch them in order to free the the hostages you will have to go in so it’s very clear to us that we are going to ground operation the timing uh the timing we we’ll decide the timing for the time being we are
Preparing um we are trying to to prevent civili casualties so we are announcing before to evacuate people who did evacuate will not be harmed we uh defined safe places for people who leave their homes where they can go and this will be uh you know no no attack zone so
People can be there uh under un hospice Hospitality or others and and have safe time until the war that this war is over President Biden said it’s a bad idea to go through the land route no he said it’s bad idea to conquer which is something different I
Believe taking the grand route is not conquering conquering is a different one of the problems will be how do we come out of it how we go in we know but how we can create there something that is stable enough and strong enough to
Sustain it in a in a mode that is not threatening Israel and is also conducive to the local population that will be a challenge I’ve been reading a lot of of course the Israeli press and they’re also very divided so there is a opinion that the Prime Minister Netanyahu his
Government supported by extremists is really just a mirror image of what Hamas and its Outlook is and that it hadn’t made things easier you pushed perhaps Hamas and the people their backs to the wall what else could you expect the root cause has not been addressed so I would say first of all
It’s not a mirror mirror image you can like or dislike a certain Coalition in Israel it’s it was a after five election campaigns they were elected ER this is the government in Israel now we have a Unity government I mean at least for the time being guns went in his party went
Into the Coalition so it’s a wider Coalition anyhow there is no there is not no comparison whatsoever and I would say more than that this government continued the policy of letting people work in Israel letting the kataris pour in money which went to Terror letting them have cement and metal for building
A civilian building that was abused for building underground tunnels and uh and Rockets So all of that was continued by this government as the previous one anyone who’s criticizing Israel today as an apologist for Terror and for Hamas is that is that the way you’re looking at
This no no I don’t see that but I think that people who didn’t come out on Sat last Saturday with a very clear condemnation of the inhumane uh Terror action butchering beheading rape uh kidnapping children babies H who did not condemn it can does not have the right to speak now
Iran is very much connected I’m not sure that we can now say that they are connected to every detail of the planning but they are for the training and the equipping and financing of Hamas and kisala in the north what you see now in the north that kisala is trying to or
Iran is trying to heat the Border through kisala and uh two days ago the Iranian foreign minister went and met in Beirut who did he meet Hamas Bala and Islamic Jihad you know the Iranians are very very strong into the picture and I think that’s why the Americans decided they understood
That it’s a bigger picture it’s not again one of the small escalations between us and Iran these people are against us also against India think of it that the change in the Middle East with the Abram Accords with the iuu with the change of now we speaking of creating a route from
India to Europe to the Mediterranean through the gulf count Saudi Arabia and Israel they understood that this route is is threatening them even the Iranians H but also other elements in the world and all these are against our attempts Mutual attempts to create prosperity and peace and the talks between Israel and Saudi
Arabia all of that they’re trying to derail by doing this thank you bassador for speaking your mind as always in taking a firm position I think millions of Indians here understand what Israel is going through because we have of course been victims of Terror ourselves in Islam is Terror at that thank you
Very much for watching thank you thank you he’s up it’s empty everything is Ved by the people of zero we are joined by uh adna and she is 71 year old she’s one of the few who has not left the city of sidro which has been under attack in the
Last 7 days we have S seen like on 7th of October there was a massive Massacre a rampage of Hamas terrorists which went on for hours in the city and after that security forces have taken hold of the city but many of the civilians almost entire civilian population has fled from
The spot uh ma’am you’re still here so uh why didn’t you go I didn’t because I T to the god the God help us the God love us and we are the hero not the Kamas because the Kamas are very bad people and the God don’t like bad people
So you had your family here who used to leave no this is the house of my father and my mother okay they dead so I live there okay so most of the neighborhood people have fled yeah yeah where have they gone they G to aot T Aviv and
De yeah okay so don’t you be aren’t you scared of living here alone no no really no because I trust the god the God love the people they good not bad uh many of the Israelis have very uh you know fond connection with India and many of them
Know India very well uh she’s also very fond of in the movies uh what movies do you like ma’am uh sangam sangam yeah okay could you sing I never forget it okay so any like when did you was sangam sangam in z z in the cinema yes when did
Which year a lot about 30 years maybe 30 years and you still remember the movie yeah yeah okay and uh talking about India if you if you like the Indians also lived in Sedro zero yeah how many Indians in zero uh about uh three family four family three four
Families they have also fled yeah so three four Indian families from zero they have also fled uh and they were part of the the the the the community here yeah MH so you see the entire city of Sidra has been uh become like a Coast Town there are streets uh you know
Houses built nice streets and uh you will not see any single person who is still living there very few people like Etna they have not fled from the spot they believe in God and they think that probably the almighty will save them once again and for
All the town of s which used to be very hustling bustling uh we a very deserted look streets are empty free any emergency vehicle or people who have been uh you know some of the media people also visiting the place uh but mostly the citizens of this uh
City they have fled uh you know fearing their security and safety and also that uh the security establishment of Israel asked them to leave because they feared that many of the Hamas terrorists could be hiding uh in the gar of being citizen of the city uh so almost
Like see have fled from the city the shops are closed the schools have been closed you will not find anybody around the place good evening hello and welcome you’re watching the right stand here on CNN news 18 with me Punam B before we get into the big debate for tonight let
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