We have a list that we’re basing our show on today and these are basically reoccurring questions and comments that are coming up probably one of the number one things is people want to talk about possibly the knife sheath being pled what are your thoughts I one of the things I noticed
With the sheath was that when one of the first arriving officers was on the scene he made a statement that said he saw the knife sheath when he entered the room subsequently it was stated that the knife sheath was found underneath the victims so if that’s the case he
Wouldn’t have seen it upon entering so I don’t know if he was think thinking he did in hindsight when he gave that statement but it would have been impossible for him to have seen it upon entering the room because it was found underneath one of the um one of the
Girls on the third floor so I I found that interesting so when did the sheath get there if they didn’t see it initially and then they did see it later that allows there’s time that it could have been planted right or it could have been planted before I I really don’t know but
There’s there’s so much time that went by Between the time of the murders occurring or the and the crime scene at the crime scene and by the 911 was called there were lot of people in the house before the police arrived on the scene so there is room for consideration that it was
Planted I remember him saying the same thing I saw the knife sheath and then they came back and recollected it for evidence the second time but you bring up a good point how could he have seen the knife sheath by allegedly where it was located right didn’t think of that
At all and um that’s really enti the question I would have and I don’t know the answers to these but when I think about the knife sheet what bothers me about thinking that the knife sheet is the planted evidence is well like if you were going to frame somebody like
Couldn’t you wouldn’t you want to do it with a larger piece of framing material like a hair or or the knife or the knife but the other thing is is I guess in my limited knowledge of how DNA transfer works how do you even get just one person’s transferred DNA on one tiny
Spot and if you were going to frame someone why would you put the transfer DNA all over the knife sheath why would you just unbuckle it put it on the little snap um so I that’s my only thought on the and I again know nothing about how transfer DNA works um but yeah
That was my my first thought on that do you have anything else you want to add on this specific knife sheath um no I just think we were talking about how if it was BK that did this how easy that could have happened like if he removed the knife from the sheath didn’t
Realize he dropped it went on about his crime right and left and I think we sort of speculated one of the reasons he if he did allegedly return to the scene of the crime may have been that he realized obviously he didn’t have the sheath did
He then think he dropped it getting out of the car or getting back into the car and he was going back to the area to look to see if he may have dropped it outside of the house sorry good this was him he was so meticulous about
Everything else right I even when they talk about like did he have a Dicky’s jumpsuit I’ve seen those they’re not like a hazmat suit so in the amount of blood that has been spoken about on the scene there’s so much he there’s no way I mean something you you would have you would
Think you would find more evidence somewhere else in the house and maybe they did and we just don’t know because of the gag order I I just there’s going to be a lot more that’s uncovered as evidence gets um in the trial as it’s presented at trial we haven’t had necessarily a
Confirmation of whether there was DNA in between the rooms when I was watching one of the True Crime channels you suggested to me he was talking about he saw some of the investigators taking pictures under the good vibe sign in outside the room so possibly that could have been collecting evidence there but
I think it’s been confirmed there was no DNA found outside the house and that just seems like I guess that’s where the hmat suit comes in but I’ve heard other people in the comments saying too really how is a Dicky suit going to help you contain DNA essentially um so it wouldn’t I
Don’t think it would yeah for our next point that we’re going to be talking about which is where the frats involved I have a really insightful clip I want to play for you and again this is from somebody that Gia has suggested to me a convict’s thoughts
And he’s going to talk uh former convi former former comic yeah he’s gonna talk about the frats involvement before we put him on I do want to say his perspective is unique like there’s something about his experience that he is looking at this case in a different
Way and watching his videos does open your eyes quite a bit so um so we just want to promote him a little bit let me just get yes I I love I think he’s a critical thinker I think I love the way he thinks and he’s very direct and
Straightforward and he’s easy to listen to he’s on point he stays on point and he just he’s got a really good flow so his videos are worth the watch he gets to the me potatoes quote unquote really quickly all right can you see that on your screen Gia yes okay hit
Play I believe that Loach and the other David David B and David L are two little cronies one of them being roid raged who had a dispute not only on the night of the actual said crime at the fraternity house with Ethan and Zanna but even prior to that there
Was issues due to the lllo loss of life where Ethan Maddie Bethany and Zanna were all at the fraternity house when that young man was hazed and later deemed to have fallen into one foot worth of water in a creek out back of the the uh the actual fraternity house
And deemed to have committed suicide accidental death ladies and gentlemen if you feel that’s the truth you go ahead and go with that I see much deeper than that that young man was hazed he was most likely beaten and he lost his life in a cruel Manner and no investigation ever took to
Tuition I think that comes back to David L and David B do we have the beginning of people who were into interested in the loss of life it was deemed that they were interested and had spoken upon it to many others yet all of a sudden when
He came to Le and the investigation of this crime of the Idaho 4 they nullified everybody immediately and I’ve never seen that happen in any crime of this magnitude or even lesser to where law enforcement can come out days we’re not talking about months or years after the fact they came out days
After the fact and stated they had cleared a laundry list of people okay um it’s hard for you know the Frat references are difficult for me for a couple reasons but I am open to hearing more about it now I’ll go into my reasons in a second but I’d really
Like to hear a little reaction from you on what he had to say to you um I I I mean I don’t I I don’t have any more reactions than what we’ve had in the past I I agree with him on this I agree with him that that’s a suspicious
Death and hazing deaths happen all the time I doubt it was a suicide I mean but frats are kind of like the police they like cod blue right they’re they’re a Brotherhood they they’re very good at keeping secrets um they have attorneys on retainer these fraternities they’re probably being told
Not it’s interesting we haven’t heard from anyone in in the Greek system it and that’s in my opinion that’s because they’ve been instructed by attorneys to do that they’re not part of the gag order so they could be speaking but I I feel like they’re they’re being told to
Keep it under wraps not to say a word um we do know that there were a number of fraternities brothers that were at the house prior to the police being there um so you know I don’t know and I and also when he said at the end how it’s amazing
How quickly they cleared so many people and just focused in on on Brian how on Earth do you clear that many people in a matter of days I I have no idea it’s and we trust our law enforcement that they we trust them we have no other choice so I think
We all just kind of sank our teeths in and stopped looking in certain directions and you’ve said that before you felt like the white Elantra there was an immediate tunnel vision yes I think that okay are two other points that I feel are really relevant to bring up when it comes to
Fraternities is number one when we think back to Kim we don’t know her last name we don’t know her identity but she was featured on Chronicles of Olivia other interviews afterwards have appeared online she talks about her children and their involvement and the phone call the morning of well apparently Steve did
Approve of that interview he was the one who wanted Kim to go on and speak with Chronicles Olivia of Olivia and so that kind of puts a little it puts a little bit more trust in what Kim was saying is that Steph he still wanted to know more
About this aspect of it and I think we all support him and we want to help him pursue any angle that he might um that he might seem legitimate so I want to bring that up the other thing I want to bring up is uh Ethan’s Ethan’s brother
From what I understand was there that morning and Ethan’s brother also talked to Steve and for me to feel that there was some sort of Greek involvement like it bothers me you would also have to then believe that his flesh and blood his twin brother agreed yeah I don’t think was
Involvement yeah I don’t think there was I don’t think there was fraternal or the fraternity involvement in the murders I just think that they know things that they’re not saying about the murder like other things that may have been going on in the house other things that may be
Interesting to Le about um the events leading up to the CU When um the guy AR was saying about you know there there was an altercation at the frat house that night well what was that about and did that have something to do with whoever
Came back later if it wasn’t BK and it could just be someone you know there a lot of people at fraternity houses that aren’t members of the fraternity so all the time so it could have been there was some nonf fraternity member that was involved in whatever happened that night that
Were not hearing about so you know I just I just think that there’s in involvement from the fraternity that we’re they may be called as Witnesses at the trial and if that’s the case just will be honest tell you I’m I’m offsite and so I have some
Internet issues maybe so if I freeze that’s why you know what that’s do my best we appreciate that you’re willing to come on live and give your opinion so don’t no worries our next our next question is actually uh is BK Being Framed so we’re on number three here any thoughts on the
Frame that you’ve heard or any reactions you’ve had about BK Being Framed I just think it’s less likely that he’s being framed than it is that he’s guilty so that’s just my opinion and that’s a conspiracy theory that’s out there and it’s got a lot of
Traction but um to your point earlier if he was being framed I think they they would have done a little bit better of a job yeah because essentially there’s nothing right now that we know of because it hasn’t been out there that links him to the murders other than the
DNA on that one snap on the sheath yeah everything else is really circumstantial I couldn’t agree more back to the thing if they were going to back to the knife sheath if they were going to frame him they could have done a better job exactly like you said my other reaction
To that is why would the FBI not see the cover up like the FBI is involved like so it’s not just them operating in their own vacuum they called immediately called in federal law enforcement so the idea to frame would have had to either involve the FBI or require the um
Ignorance of the FBI and I’m not yeah necessarily at the point where I’m gonna buy that at this point so next our next clip we’re actually going to bring back AR okay AR and uh our next question is how do you explain the car at the scene
Let’s see what he has to say because but before I bring this up this goes a little off subject but it would explain why we’re seeing a car turn around and it was such interesting information I had to play it I don’t know how relevant
It is is but I think you guys are going to find why I chose it in a second here we go but I’m going to tell you this minimum of three people involved three people minimum one had to be a driver because you never want to leave your getaway car
Parked and unable to get out in a quick manner you always have a getaway driver always it’s how you get out of the home you get in the car and get the hell on if this a single perpetrator that’s too much on your shoulders to try to figure out ladies and gentlemen not
Only do you got to park then walk to get in then commit the crime then figure out how to get out and then Escape without people seeing you then decloe get into the car try to drive around try to keep your heartbeat steady try to keep your
Eyesight on the road not go off the side the road because you’re shaking from what to juice no no no no I’ve been in this I know what it’s like I know what the heartbeat feels like I know what the emotion is getaway driver is very necessary
Could it be numerous cars were used in this I’ve stated that I feel like there were numerous cars involved in this and a minimum of three people and I think there could be upwards of more I really do especially when I lay it out there I
Think this is an issue that comes to a drug or snitching situation again like a perspective that is breathtaking because it makes so much sense and it’s something I haven’t really put my brain around I I hadn’t really thought about yet so uh do you have an immediate reaction to what he
Was saying I just I I think that he’s saying let’s say we didn’t know anything about any other suspects BK we don’t know anything and looking at that type of crime it was and the way the evidence was how it is I think his theory makes perfect sense that you would you would
Have a getaway driver you’d have someone else to help I mean and I think that we’re not thinking that way because everything’s been set up for us to believe that BK did this right everything we hear it’s more like well he had to have done it because of a because of B
Because of C we’re not hearing as much people like AR saying hey let’s think about it another way because he’s right if that crime was committed in the short amount of time that it was with seemingly very little evidence Left Behind how in the world did one person do
That amount in the amount of time you said it right there like it’s just yeah and the other part that experts have said which I would assume it like the exhaustion like how does a someone physically do that life for people I I have nothing to add other than that all
Right so we’re going to go to the next item on our list BK’s Family Support not only do we have a clip to show you but Gia actually has done a little bit of a deeper dive she’s gonna break down actually what has been said so this is ABC 4 out of
Utah overnight his former attorney in Pennsylvania Jason laar telling ABC News he is still in touch with cober’s family and says his mother is still supportive of her son she would first and foremost put put out her heartfelt sympathies for the four families she prays for them every day and can’t imagine the
Situation that they’re in but on the flip side of that she’s obviously supportive and she want to see how the case unfolds for her spot really pressing the presumption of innocence to anyone that will listen cobber has not entered a plea he is currently being held without bail and is due back in
Court in June mola langy ABC News well um you know I I can I I’m GNA read a quote from the attorney so what he said also in addition to what you just played is he said so this is on behalf of the parents and one sister remember he has two
Sisters okay very clearly stating only one sister is involved in this quote um we have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions um they went on to say the
Colberg say they will continue to let the legal process unfold and as a family we will love and support our son and our brother the attorney said Brian Colberg is eager to be exonerated of these charges and he looks forward to resolving these matters as promptly as possible they continue to say three
People the statement is the three people so that tells me one of the sisters is purposely not on the same page as the rest of her family and it brings you you had reported something a couple podcasts ago about hearing I want to say it was on a
Dateline episode it was the neighbor family acquaintance Mike the neighbor report I think this is where the source came from he reported that the sister was thought it was really that she was reporting she saw him wearing gloves and putting his trash oh yeah well one of
The sisters was very quick as soon as they reported that the car was a white Elantra Hyundai white Elantra the one sister immediately said to the rest of the family well that’s odd Brian drives the white Elantra this is what I said hyund Elantra and Brian was there at this time
Frame where these murders took place and he’s been wearing gloves ever since he’s been home 247 surgical gloves and he’s putting his trash anything with his DNA on it and Ziploc bags and walking it over to the neighbors and putting it in their trash so very suspect Behavior and so they
Immediately went out to look into his car and and then realized he’d cleaned it out completely or to the best of his ability the car already already been cleaned so there wasn’t anything for them to find but I think the one sister has been suspicious of him since that
Moment and I think that’s why she didn’t want to join in with that statement and and not only that none of his family so they’re we support him I so there’s something that tells me they’re just saying we don’t think it’s not him we’re
Just not ready to say we think it is him yet and we’re going to support him because we love him and he’s our family until it comes out to what really did happen um because I find it odd that none of his family members have visited him in a
Idaho while he’s been behind bars and I mean you might say well it’s 2 200 miles away but his parents are retired there’s no reason and his sister lost her job there’s no reason that a family member who loves and supports virtue wouldn’t be there in my
Opinion you you judge people by their actions not their words and if it’s the simple act of showing up for your family that shows your support and the next topic which is the unknown DNA I don’t have any clips for this but I do just want to touch base on it
Really quickly I’m really bothered by the unknown DNA like a lot of people if when they initially ran Brian cober’s DNA through cotus they also ran two other unknown male DN none of them came back but they did something further with Brian cober’s DNA and my question is if
The DNA was important enough to run through cotus at that moment why is it not important to get a DNA profile or try to do some genealogy trying to figure out who these dnas are I don’t understand why they were important to run through cotus at that moment but not
Important now and if they were run through C noce that means they have a DNA profile and when an Taylor asked for um the DNA those two unknown suspects DNA from the lab at one of the first hearings of evidence why was she told that they don’t have a workup on it
Because they have to I’m assuming not an expert but I’m assuming they have to to run it through kodas anyway that’s that’s all I got any so from what I understand the DNA that goes through codus is just a broken off piece of DNA it doesn’t include a whole ton of
Information so like the DNA that’s used for like 23 and me and ancestry.com particularly 23 and me is a whole chain of DNA which gives you that’s what gives you an entire profile and it’s a profile not of criminal Behavior right kotus is just the only thing you’re G to find in
Kotus is if you’ve been in committed a crime in the past and you’re in the system 23 in me has all kinds of people they found is um there are ways so when you sign up for 23 and me you can opt out of law enforcement being able to look into your
DNA right and but you don’t have to but someone found a loophole and I think it was with the G GD match I think that company they found a loophole where you can actually find the profiles of the people who have opted out but you’re really not supposed to so there’s a lot
Of like legal stuff here where can they really do that and I think this is part of the um why Brian Brian’s attorneys are asking for this indictment to be dismissed because they’re saying you didn’t legally obtain his DNA profile because you you weren’t supposed to do
It the way that you did and therefore it should be thrown out I think that’s what they’re going to say so they want to get that evidence thrown thrown out on a technicality um will they be successful I don’t know because DNA so that’s just a very interesting aspect to it
Um you know um but does that mean they’ll get the other DNA thrown out because they did swab his cheek when they arrested him and now that DNA can be used in a different way it is strange I mean it almost seems like it’s a civil rights kind of thing not necessarily throw
Out like oh violated maybe we should you know Sue or something I don’t s the yeah exactly and that’s what they’re saying like you weren’t you didn’t have permission to obtain it this way you obtained the evidence for his DNA illegally in their opinion and therefore evidence that’s obtained illegally can’t be
Admissible I I believe that’s going to be their argument but they can’t use that same argument for the DNA they swabbed from his cheek from the Buckle swab right right because that was obtained legally and you know I I think the DNA is is um I understand why the
Defense is trying so hard to get the DNA thrown out because that’s their case right and um Ted Williams who’s a lawyer and a former homicide detective um he says the case hinges on the DNA evidence B’s phone pings and evidence that’s collected from BK’s vehicle which
Is going to also go back to DNA right so if they get the DNA thrown out then the case is not so strong and um there’s another guy John Kelly he’s a criminal profiler and psychoanalyst and he has experien interviewing m murders and he agrees he agrees with Ted
Williams so um according to Williams and this is a quote no matter how hard you try to clean up physical evidence I can unequivocally tell you that the authorities have means and methods to overcome those cleanings meaning that there’s no way BK could have cleaned his
Car so well um that nothing would be left behind and and even one of the things that they talk about is you know when you you put on your seat belt click right there’s all the and then you take your seat belt off and and half the seat
Bel retracts back up into the seat belt compartment well did he have the forethought to pull that out how could he get inside that compartment and really clean it because if there was DNA evidence on that seat belt from like if he got in the car allegedly he if he
Committed the murders he gets in the car he buckles the seat belt now it’s pulling DNA evidence and and that’s going back up into his car and they have that we just again I’ll say when it gets to trial that’ll come out and if that evidence is there there’s no way and
This is another quote um we wouldn’t know that already Gia they wouldn’t have submitted that in the original arrest affidavit or just wouldn’t be there yet or we just don’t know okay well we don’t know what they found because there’s a gag order police can’t tell us what what
They’ found from that we just know they collected it right so and um this is another guy Joseph galone retired New York Police Department sergeant and he’s a professor at John J College of Criminal Justice and he said he said about the DNA evidence collected from the
Car if any one of those kids those kids meaning the four victims DNA or the dog’s DNA was either in his apartment or car his goose is cooked there’s no way to explain that away so that’s if the prosecution has that that’ll be presented at the trial and I think what
They’re saying is if that gets presented they it’s over game over for Brian Colberg I’m actually just GNA go to the next one we have which is why would BK keep the receipts I mean I can think of a couple obvious reasons but this one really
Tripped me up when I started hearing it in the comments because it doesn’t make much sense I mean I think as an accident as a trophy I think it’s a really legitimate point to bring up that I think it was a mistake a mistake I think he didn’t realize he kept
It because the only thing on there that they’re talking about is the dicky jumpsuit I don’t know what else was on the receipt but I don’t think it indicated do you remember I think it just Dickies it didn’t say jumpsuit and it gave the price and then people did some research yeah yeah
So I don’t know I mean came from the bloom article right but maybe it wasn’t anything related maybe it wasn’t a Dicky’s jumpsuit maybe it was something else we don’t really know and if that’s the case then what does he care if he keeps a receipt from Walmart if it’s not
Indicating anything he’s pretty meticulous so I I feel like if that had anything incriminating on it he wouldn’t have kept it so almost like the fact that he kept it means it’s not significant yeah I once somebody started bringing that up to me I started I started questioning whether that receipt
Is as big of a deal as we were all putting emphasis on it’s something we need to bring up because it’s what people are talking about in the comments we want you all to know about it but you know it’s a great question I I have no
Answers why he would have kept it other than an accident or as some people say a trophy the question that’s coming up is basically in all different forms people are asking how they determined the route that Brian took both coming to the scene of the crime and then leaving and um my
Understanding is that it’s a combination of different cameras that were subpoena and cell phone data pings and so it was a combination of these two things how they determined his root there and his route back do you have some insight on this I think they just did that I think
They pieced together the route because they they found what they believed was the car that they are seeing on the video surveillance at the scene and then I think they just did exactly what you said they got footage from cameras between the King’s Road and BK’s apartment and then they just thought
They spotted him and then they overlaid that with pings from cell phone towers with his cell phone and they kind of matched up and so they’re making the presump that the car that they’re seeing on the video is BK’s car and that he had his cell phone with
Him I I don’t there’s no really other way to do that unless he you know we don’t know this one witness is saying he didn’t have a nav system but we really don’t know that so if he did have a nav system or he had any kind of tracking system in the
Hyundai they’ll they’ll be able to use that also and and and if they can that’s going to be the nail in the coffin because that’s going to be exact that’s going to show exactly where he was and when and how long he stopped and you know so that’ll be damning evidence if
They get that well I was gonna say the pings on the cell phone they’re not as you know it’s not like if my cell phone pings off this Tower I could still be at least 14 miles away in a radius of 14 miles so it’s not really putting me
Somewhere specific it’s just putting me in the general vicinity and not even triangulating it so to speak so I mean like I get like they could if they have enough pings as he’s moving away and moving towards it and you have a photograph and you have a point you could use triangulation to
Know a pretty exact spot where someone is I believe but I don’t know well may have it I mean the only ones that know are the prosecution and the defense because they would have had to share that with the defense and Discovery and being under a gag order no
One else is going to know but I’m if it exists they have it yeah but we don’t have murder well yeah they might on that same note they might have a murder weapon or evidence we don’t know I guess well here’s the thing we don’t know but also that if
They have that capability of knowing exactly where he was and where he was stopping and all of that then they’re GNA say oh he stopped at mile marker 16 I wonder what for maybe he got out of the car and threw the knife deep in the woods or buried it somewhere so it’s
Going to give them a little more information for their investigation well you know and this is just a total side thought where you just said if he is is innocent you know one of the in just earlier this morning and I just reading and listening to
Things you know I was reading about how one of the surviving roommates um the the defense wanted to interview her and they were trying to make her come back to Idaho for that then they finally agreed to interview her out in Neva Reno Nevada um because um the defense is
Saying she has information that could clear Brian so stay tuned because that is this is what an Taylor’s saying that this surviving roommate has information that could clear her client because we just don’t know what’s coming out it’s going to be shocking as you quoting you said before yeah and we
Have to remind everybody because I’m qu you know my opinion and I’m like I I do think he’s more likely to be guilty than innocent that’s just my opinion but we do have to keep in mind that everybody is innocent until proven guilty and there is a definite possibility that
Brian Colberg is innocent I’m actually going to put that as a banner um across the screen because we do want to remind everyone that you are innocent in um proven guilty yes and we have to everything’s Alle yeah or it’s just my opinion and that’s my opinion
It’s you know not factual but it’s it’s just can’t share misinformation that’s the only stipulation um right and I just want to make sure people realize it’s my opinion it’s not information that’s set in stone yeah no yeah same same here with me all right we’re we’re moving on to one of
The I I feel this the biggest story going on other than than the trial right now in this case which is BK’s current friends and the reason it’s a story is because there is no story and crime sleuthy can you see that Gia I’m not on the screen yes okay so crime sleuthy
Tonight at 7 pm is interviewing zanna’s mother Cara caroto um the reason I’m bringing this up in relevance to BK’s friends is because Cara she she says not only when we talk about the students and the fraternity and that nobody’s coming out with public statements but also on
Brian’s end so whether that means he doesn’t have any friends or acquaintances she doesn’t know but nobody’s talking and it’s the radio silence that is she wants answers about so I think it’s important to the reason I’m showing crime luthy is we’re going to hear straight from her tonight at 7
And if you have questions for carara you could go on to that live stream and ask them right there I know I’m gonna be there I want to see what this woman has to say I don’t have information on BK’s current friends uh I I’ve I’ve listened
To a few people make statements saying that you know they didn’t see anything unusual about him at the sales University yes if you’re studying criminology potentially you could be this type of person but other than that he was a normal student they said so Gia do you have any current information on
Friends you can add to this or what you think well I I don’t think he had so I don’t think he had many friends for a couple of reasons one is he was only out there for three months before this took place so he didn’t have a lot of time to
Make friendships or real deep friendships I know of one acquaintance it seemed like he might be acquaintances with people that he worked with or that he te with at the college um because it was that one instance where a girl obviously felt friendly enough with him
To let him know she had known that he had been a a security guard previously this is someone he worked with and she was noticing things were getting moved around in her apartment and we talked about this before so she she asked him um to help her set up
Kind of like camera surveillance in her apartment and he did and you know he had access to all the cameras so was she a friend I don’t know she was an acquaint but she felt friendly enough that she could ask him to do that for her so I
Think he had people that were on a very surfacy level and also the other thing is Nancy Grace tried to delve into this right and what did she come up with a couple of people he knew in middle school or one person he knew in middle school that was the only friend she
Could find that documentary you’re referencing just came out for those who haven’t seen we’re talking about in the last probably a little more than 30 days ago and she was just doing that trying to figure out yeah what was the name of that I forget I am blank or something yeah
Yeah maybe not necessarily as far as friends but we do know he was going he was trying to be romantically involved so he did go on a date since he moved there and I you know I didn’t really put in perspective he had just moved there it is hard to
Especially at the age of 28 you don’t just jump into a relationship with someone you meet bar you you cultivate friendships and you pick who your friends are a little more and I he hadn’t been there for that long but he had been trying to date whether
He’s successful at it or not um we do have witnesses coming out saying that he was on Tinder and so um yeah and and I think that pushed us back a little bit against the Insel argument that’s what I was gonna say then how then he’s not really an incel
If he’s on Tinder and unless for other reasons than dating right we don’t know he could have been on Tinder seeking out a victim isn’t that frightening to think be careful out there girls yeah well remember The Craigslist Killer so it happens it’s it is it is another point
Just on what Cara’s mother is saying if he was on Tinder why why hasn’t anyone else come out to say about their failed or S date with I it’s just so weird admit they went on a date with him I don’t know but yeah but I don’t I
Don’t think he just because you’re on there doesn’t mean you ever swiped left or right I don’t know which way is the I’m not on Tinder but um you know I don’t it doesn’t mean he was utilizing it he could have just been you know like looking yeah because he’s kind
Of a peeper right like didn’t didn’t they say he had some history of being a Peeping Tom well I can say the drip drop has been bringing one of the things whoops one of the things we talk about is it should be in his behavior profile
We don’t know that I haven’t heard I personally haven’t heard any that I can recall hearing uh incidents where Brian had been voy committing voyerism but we talked a lot about the ladder Drip Drop talks a lot about the ladder and then when you I think it was Chris mcdna the
Investigator you covered several podcasts ago he talked about voyerism as one of the number one things leading up to it and he wanted to get into the closets right yes yes y so yeah um and and then our final our final um subject which I hesitate to cover again on this
Channel but I want to address the people who are kind enough to watch our videos and ask questions and I want to talk about the coop the kopaka connection what are your thoughts on kopaka I don’t know I I really don’t I I’d probably like to hear yours because
I you know I I vacillate between thinking there’s a connection and then thinking there’s absolutely no connection so I don’t know I need to delve into that one a little bit further yeah I I tried to do a a deep dive on this when when it was being
Asked in the comments and or I did I went as deep as I could before I decided I I felt there was no connection but basically what I found was one of the people you can go to if you want to know more about this would be jlc investigates he’s another True Crime
Sleuth here on YouTube because he actually was the one who went into Jack In The Box and tried to get the order that was given by the door Dash that night but that’s who J jlc is investigates say but he he lives in the area as far as I understand so I think
He was able to do a little bit deeper dive um and I think he actually spoke with some people who knew Kaka he has put out several videos now saying there is no connection and so there’s just one person you can turn to who has tried to
Go behind the scenes and people trust him my feelings on this is I’ve done a lot of traveling in my life I’ve traveled different places in this world I’ve traveled different places in this country and every time you sit down to talk to somebody in a new place the
First thing you notice is that we are all Six Degrees of Separation it’s just it’s uncanny when you talk to someone they know somebody from where you are they’ve been where you are or they know about where you’re going it’s the the connections aren’t as intriguing
To me as you think I think they’re ironic and I I think they prove patterns of life in the world but I I don’t believe they’re you know much more than that but the biggest reason why um I think we can put some confidence that he wasn’t involved is listening back to
Bana Fox and the former FBI agent that we’ve played on this channel and her quote and again she teaches forensics aside from being a FBI forensic analysis expert her whole career she says that in order to pull off a crime like this you have to bat a thousand now Brian Colberg
Are basically bad at a thousand except for the knife sheath and some other photographic evidence but honestly do you think kopaka did too I mean how could two people bat a thousand I just don’t see those um those odds being favorable and number two I just don’t
Think kopaka had the knowledge and the nimbleness and knowledge to necessarily do that although he have combat training to pull it off I just don’t see him batting a thousand in keeping his forensic evidence to himself I just right and also Brian curer is facing a
Firing squad so this is a death penalty case right if there was an accomplice I think he would have given him up by now mhm and we would see an arrest absolutely that’s one of the most powerful you make yeah yeah you’re not gonna fall on the sword for someone like you
Know no I and I I think that um I feel a little bit bad for kopaka and uh that his name has been dragged through this it was just awful timing
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