Okay welcome MNT News Network viewers uh today is Sunday the 5th November and we are uh discussing the Democracy Indian democracy how it can be made successful and what are essential requirements of democracy in India and uh uh particularly with respect to the ruling group and uh opposition
Group uh both we have seen since Independence and they have played their role but uh we we are not in a position to say that uh Indian democracy is a successful democracy yet so now we are going to discuss today this the various factors which have led to failure of
Democracy in India and what is required for a successful democracy in India uh particularly uh the mes of India they are committed to success of constitution of India that is the Democracy of India so today we have with us uh the highly experienced and knowledgeable intellectual ideal uh BD
Borker s and uh he has been uh National president of uh uh this bomb safe mulasi Kari Kalan mahang and National president People’s Party of India Democratic and uh uh so he has experience of a missionary field he has experience of employees problems field and now he is
In the political field so he is the best person uh to analyze this subject of for what is required for successful democracy in India the subject is based on on the solution that uh it is uh the mulasi uh political party that should be in the opposition and also the same mulasi
Political people should be in the ruling chair also so these two sides are required for successful democracy and I invite BD borker sa uh on on this subject sir borker s welcome sir uh today as we have seen the subject is uh we have to analyze uh the
Functioning of democracy in India uh from uh this Independence to till today we can say and we are going to analyze uh why whether the Democracy in India has been successful and what are the factors leading to the failure of democracy media and what should be as
For our analysis uh we need this politicians on both sides uh in the ruling group and as well as in the opposition groups if you want a successful democracy in India so now the first first of all uh I I would like to have a this view on what is the
Relevance of parliamentary democracy for Indian people sir thank you thank you very much uh Dy and the viewers of this Channel and I’m thankful also to the MNT News Network having invited me to put my view put Cote on the subject first of all uh let me tell you there are three
Modes of governance as Babas sahab has let down one is the monarchy another is a dictatorship or autocracy and the third mode of governance is a democracy of the three Baba sahab has Preferred a democracy the reason being in the monarchy the whatever monar said that is
The law and even if he is wrong one has to accept that whatever he says is the law and it is binding on all as far as the dictatorship is concerned the Babas sa has already said it is another although it is called as a dictatorship of an individual
Or also it is called as autocracy but it is more or less a democracy where again the decisions are made by an individual and they are Bing to everybody uh in the country if the country is governed by a dictator or by autoc and therefore Babas sahab has rejected these two modes of
Governance namely the autocracy and the monarchy and he has Preferred for a country like India where the people of the different cast different religion coming from the different region having different languages so Baba sah has Preferred a democratic mode of governance and among the Democratic mode
Of governance also of the two there two two types of democracy first is a parliamentary form of a democracy and another is a presidential form of a democracy the Baba sahab has Preferred the Parliamentary form of democracy uh if you want to know something more about these parliamentary form of democracy
Then we can discuss uh thank you sir so uh the other area that we are uh uh leading to is that in India we have various social groups or we can say social this segments religious and cast and language and so many so and so on so what we can
See that what kind of governing class should be for seeing the success of parliamentary democracy in India see why why the parliamentary democracy has been accepted because in the parliamentary democracy the power is with the people even in the presidential form of a democracy uh once the president of the
Nation is elected then he is having the sole power with him whereas in the Parliamentary form of a democracy the power is always with the people in the sense the whenever the representatives are elected in the Parliament and if they are not functioning as for the as per the dictates of the
Constitution then there is a role of opposition and if opposition opposition uh tables uh no confidence Motion in the government then that government can go out of the power so Babas has said at one place the government is always on the envil in a parliamentary democracy
Whereas it is not so in the presidential form of a democracy in the presential form of a democracy once a president is elected he rules the nation for entirely a period defined for him say in say in USA he he rules for four years in other
Country maybe even five years that I am not aware of but in the Parliamentary form of democracy Babas s has said the government is always on the en if they are not working as per the Constitutional dictate then the opposition can file table a bill no confidence motion
And if that no confidence motion is gets through then the government has to go so that is why and if the government has to go it is because of the representative of the parliamentary democracy representative of the people through opposition parties they are in that case at the opposition can table a no
Confidence this is the difference between the so far as the India is concerned so far as India is concerned Why parliamentary democracy so if you and whether it is it it is a successful democracy or it is a failed democracy on these there are definite views uh expressed by the Babas in
1951 when Dr Babas ambedkar has resigned from the cabinet of Mr Neu and he has delivered speech at Pune Bar Council of Pune has invited him and there he delivered a speech very important speech the the very title of the speech is condition precedents for a successful
Dem if in a country if democracy has to succeed what are the preconditions and in that he said for a successful democracy if the democracy has to succeed then there should not be a vast gap between the income of the people if there is a vast gap between the income of the
People then he said there is already a seed of a bloody Revolution because the people who are denied their basic rights in the sense if there is a vast Gap and even they they cannot get two square Mill there is every possibility that all those people will rol even in the
Democracy all those people re will rol and if they R it may lead to a bloody Revolution so that is why that is the most important condition for the of democracy iing me get you H okay I am referring to you refering refering to the objectives envis in the Preamble of the
Constitution that is very correct regarding economic equality economic equality and economic Justice now the the issue is whe whether in one election it comes one Coalition or one party in other election it is the opposition or opposition Coalition that comes to the power but now we are seeing
That the Democracy much talked about of its success all over the world but reality we know that how to what extent this is successful so whether it is one Coalition or the other Coalition whether in ruling Coalition or opposition Coalition how do you visualize the role of the opposition
Coalition tell you on this issue yeah ah please some problem what I wanted to say on this issue see in a democracy when the Constitutional values are frame and there it is said the justice social economic and political and in that also if you if you
Go through the last spe Dr Babas sahab has delivered in the constituent assembly while presenting the Constitution to the nation then he said then he said the if the political democracy which is of course a parliamentary democracy in the Indian context if it is not used to establish a social and economic
Democracy then the very same people who have framed this political democracy they will blow up the structure of this political democracy so the very objective is very clear there that the the the the people in the power through a representative form of a democracy those who capture the power
They must use that power for the welfare state again the concept of the welfare state is defined in the Constitution and the welfare state is nothing but ultimately is the economic democracy and social democracy has to be established now if you if we see the 75 years of
History you will find the power had remained in this country in very those people who were governing this country through and it was expected that when when the Constitution has been pered those in the power they will give the due share of the V masses here do share in the
Governance you share in the their economic welfare their educational welfare their health welfare but for the last 75 years the government whether it was a government in the beginning of by it was governed for almost 65 years by Congress and thereafter for about 10 years you may say by the BJP but both
These groups as you have mentioned them as a allian they have come to the power these 90% people of this country they have voted them to the power with the sole hope that they will improve their economic and social condition but both these groups who remained in the
Power for the last 75 years they have failed they have failed to deliver what is expected from them by the Constitution and therefore we can say that uh the ruling class which is a composite of say brahmins chatri andas they do not want to give when I say they have
Failed to say them they have failed means they they do not know how to govern but that is not the case here the case here is they do not want to deliver the Mandate of constitution to the people right so you you you want to say that the leading political
Forces they had been those forces which are not interested in the Democracy to be established in India because because of their historic character maybe due to their religion social system everything and all that so what is the solution to this problem no the solution to this problem
Is unless this section of the society which I say which are 90% population and the power in the democracy is given to the people it is not given to the government the power is with the people and through the power of the vote which is given to the citizens Whoever
Has completed 21 years then and now 18 years of of their age the power is with them but what has happened for the last 75 years these people have given these power in the hands of those who have been exploiting them socially and economically not for the 75
Years for the but for the ages so this is because because they were ignorant about the power of the vot which Babas has very laboriously achieved for for them not only in the 194 50 in the constituent assembly but as early as in 193 when the second government of India act
The ACT which was being framed for as a constitution for India in the British Parliament at that time itself Babas sahab has pleaded for the adult franchise to which the congress party when it was demanding a home rule the Babas has clearly said in 1930 that unless the adult
Franchise is given to the Indian citizens no power should be transferred in the hands of uh oligarchy he has used word oligarchy means the few section of the people who are controlling the power earlier to the Constitution and here in after the should not be given to
Them so what has happened for the last 75 years these people du to ignorance they are electing their representative either from the Congress or from the BJP are their alliances one is an N Alliance and now recently they have form a India Alliance so I do not expect that they if they
Failed to do and cons consciously do not want to give the dou Constitutional here to the people so I don’t think anything can be expected and therefore I feel that these 90% mes they should understand and they should send their true representative in the parliament are the Assemblies of the
State unless they send their two representative in the Parliament and the assembly I don’t think that the Constitutional fruits the fruits of the Constitution will be able to deliver to them right sir so this is the main reason that you said that this is the essential uh this hardle or essential
Path that is required to be followed by us now the problem is that the majority of Voters in India they belong to these communities which we have referred to uh scst obcs or we can say they are AB original Indians uh the majority voters belong to these uh this cast that is
Aboriginal cast of the country and they elect those people who are not interested in democratic values or principles or so uh how this such a 90% uh vast population that can be see the mobilized or awakened or educated uh so that uh the politics of India comes to
Their control and in ruling as well as opposition both places are occupied by the politicians of these Aboriginal people how that can be possible I I I I just try to explain the part see any revolution in any country that if you want to achieve that Revolution peacefully then you must change the
Mindset of the people we need not go to any other country if we see our own country the social Revolution was accomplished in this country During the period of Buddha I think that is a claimed and accepted world over and there was no blood Revolution so what
Precisely Buddha has did that he has formed a s today we call it as an organization he formed a s and he he has decided the principles the principles of again the equality Brotherhood all those principles are there MRI he said M now here in our constitution Babas s has said it is
Brotherhood fraternity rather so you see one has to convince the people if we have logically explained to the people why are they not getting their do you share which is defined in the Constitution what Constitution wanted to give it to them if we explain it to
Them to a large section of the society will have to explain if not to a large section of the society at least 50% of the society should be explained because as you have said that to come to the power at least they need 30 to 35% mandate in their favor but again you
Said that that if even if they are there and they come to the power with the Mandate of 35% votes then in the opposition those 15% people who have been denying them for the ages and even after the peration of the Constitution they du here so they will remain in the
Opposition because the role of the opposition in in the parliamentary democracy is a constructive opposition and what is this constructive opposition constructive opposition means for a welfare state the ruling party as well as the opposition party whenever the interest of the citizens of India are concerned then they should even
Opposition party if the ruling party fall somewhere in framing the bill to be brought up in the parliament or in framing the policies of course there the opposition has least role in framing the policy but even the opposition leader can write to the government while framing the policies
Also so there has to be a constructive opposition now if those 15% people who have been denying for the ages and even after the prolation of the Constitution they will for the sake of opposition they are going to oppose to a party of M people having come to the
Power and therefore again they will not be able to get their due share so basically we need in this country if the Parliamentary democ Ry has to succeed then these 90% people they should elect their representative in a such a large number so that they even if they are in the ruling
Party they should be there and even in the opposition they should be there now if they are the representative of this section of the society then there will definitely whatever the thought the ruling party makes because nobody is perfect in this world except Buddha or for that matter
We can oh yeah and knowledgeable man so and who are humanist they they they go beyond the C Creed religion and they try to ensure the wellbeing of the every IND of the country but you see the country will progress because if there is no infighting amongst the people in the
Country then definitely that social cohesiveness that will for the building the resources of the nation right now sir we are we are leading to the final stage of right now we are leading to the final stage of this discourse today and that is that we are having several political organizations
From this m Nasi people scst obcs minorities and all that but and the number of political activist leaders that is not in hundreds but in thousands even then they are not having that this Vision to come to the power and capture uh this ruling as well as
Opposition chairs so uh what is lacking in the politics that they all are playing and how this can be resoled what is in your mind what kind of political organization we need for becoming ruling Clause oppos this force on this issue when we we are when we have adapted
A DE democracy in this country so the political parties who wanted to govern this country and playing their politics in this country they must also be a democratic in their nature if the political parties if they are autocratic or if the uh political parties are dynastic in
Nature which is nothing but a mon monarchy type of thing then obviously those who are not following internal democracy in the party I think they cannot rule this country democratically and that is what is happening so precisely the so many parties of the mulasi bjan as you
Say first thing is they are not Democratic in nature they are autocratic in nature and if the power in the party that revolves around a single person there is no proper decision making whatever that single man says everyone has to fall in line whereas in a democratic nature of a political party
The the decisions are made by the participation of the members through their representative in a political for and by participation whatever the lacking is there in the process of making a decision those lackings and fults are eliminated and a proper decision is made in the political forum and the politic
Proper decision is made in the political forum and if that decision is executed by a political party in within the party and for the governance of the country are to put their agenda before the society then probably this problem can be solved so it is the selfish nature of those political parties either
They leaders of those parties are autocratic in nature are dynastic nature and therefore they are not in a position and if you see them they are mostly either individually autocratic or Dynasty or they are a cast leader if you see all those political parties those political parties who we call them as a
Parties from the Mimi bjan they are a cast based part party the cost based party is no solution for the advancement of the country and the welfare of the people that is why Babas has clearly said anate cost you have to clearly enate cost and unless that is
Done I don’t think this country will progress and the welfare of the people will be achieved right sir uh thank you very much uh uh for explaining all these factors leading to the failure of democracy rather parliamentary democracy in India in terms of benefits Which democracy was expected to give to the
People uh now uh the last concluding remarks from your side I would like to know about people’s party of India Democratic since it is almost 5 years uh this party is functioning after its registration so uh keeping all these things in mind whatever you have explained whether you
Have you might have taken corrective measures in forming this party in terms of organizational structure strategy program AC and plan all that uh so in ideology as well so would how would you explain the People’s Party of India Dem Democratic as the right path for the moasis that is of original people of
This country uh to capture the political power and also the Politics as a whole whether for ruling uh group or for opposition group in States as well as at National level as fors so what are the positives or solutions that you have sought uh while forming the pp
So the first thing the when we have formed People’s Party of India democra in the year uh 200 18 because we have got a registration as a political party in October 31st October 2008 since then we have put our focus on the democratization of the party the part parties representative or
Elected at each stage at the district stage at the state stage and at the national level and that is the uh that is clearly defined in the constitution of the part now with this what has happened the right type of people are getting elected and placed elected and placed to discharge their responsibility
From the various positions assigned to them in the political party and their basic job is as your ity say it is objective is very clear what is defined in the constitution of India that is to be achieved and therefore as a political party our objective is almost the same
And the similar and the parallel you can say to the Constitutional objective now to achieve this objective we have clearly adapted an ideology of our forefathers who are working for the principles of Liberty equality fraternity and Justice as against the other political parties especially those headed by the
Tras they have least interest although they may say that we are working for the Constitution but from their war of their heart they oppos this constitution right from the day when the Constitution was Fred so that is first thing is our objective is very clear it is same and
Similar you can say or identical to the objective of our constitution then we have adapted the ideology of our forefather which is again defined in the Constitution as the principles of equality Liberty Justice and fraternity so that is the ideology we have adapted and the plans and program the most
Important as I said the the social revolution in this country was accomplished During the period of Buddha and that is by the uh Awakening the people on the uh in line with the principles of the constitution in line with the objective of the Constitution so we have we have started educating the people
By organizing the CER camps by organizing the meetings by organizing the seminars by organizing the symposiums by organizing the symposiums and conventions wherein we are training the people first we train our Cs on this line then we are deputing our cers in the field field and they in turn organize the camp
Throughout the country and in the different states and cultivating the Democratic ideas in the minds of the society explaining them the importance of the O the power of O even to them this is what we have done and I think you will find we are now contesting the in four
States and we have contested the election even in 2018 in these states and I am sure the party is progressing in that direction and this time when I am building I’m right now in the state of madhya Pradesh and in the madhya Pradesh when I going to the there
Will be a surprising results this much I can say on this occasion so we are slowly and steadily moving toward the Constitutional objective through our party and the day is not far off in the life of mulian people that one day and even in the opposition they will
Find the indigenous people people of this country thank you very much right sir right Siri uh so he was mulasi BD borker with us and he explained this need of BU nasis being in ruling side as well as in opposition side I think the viewers they they must have got this uh line
Clear line of political this principles or political need uh what kind of politics they are politicians should play what kind of political Direction political agenda and what kind of political principles should be adopted by all the political activist as well as political parties uh founded by and
Working for these scst obcs that is the aboriginals of India so thank you very much sir and uh uh thank you from M News Network side I think we will be keeping meeting and discussing all such subjects in that so friends this was uh uh this very uh magnetic
Subject for having or for mobilizing our Aboriginal people and real making them realize the mistakes that had been and being done in political field uh so that they can ask questions of to the politicians political activists and uh compel them for the right kind of politics for the interest of a
Successful democracy in India so thank you very much uh all the viewers and uh have expecting a successful politics a well directed strategic politics to achieve this goal of a successful democracy in India thank you very much m newk m
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