Project Artichoke with Steven Snider aka Recluse
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Us help you weāll tell you a little bit more about that later on in in the show letās get into it he is a uh personal favorite on my on this show favorite of all of ours uh every time he comes on he really crushed it last night with that
Johnny what was that group you were in in high school where you guys were like all separated from everybody oh AG yeah you know he dropped some hammers on that we call uh and heās back with more so letās get into it very excited to have him back please welcome rlu Stephen
Snider how are you brother doing well sir and thank you so much for having me back on well uh Iām excited that Mark made it happen again I always always enjoy conversations with you before we get into it can you for those who may not remember your last
Appearance can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you and anything you want to plug uh well I am the longtime curator of the Visa blog I started a podcast known as the farm which you can find usually most Google searches is under
The farm podcast Mach 2 and I am also the author of three books most recently the art the secret s War conspir attainment and the shattering of reality book one all right and uh do you have a website well yeah usually itās just the Visa website for my blog itās V up you
Know itās such a distinct name you pretty much find that in any Google search so I will um I will make sure to put that in the links below so uh what do you want to get into today what do we want to discuss Iām excited well Mark told me you guys
Wanted me to give you guys a bit of a scary story here for Halloween so fortunately Iāve been working on something pretty creepy the last three years and that would be uh that whole the book I just mentioned itās the first in the trilogy that Iāve uh got coming
Out here and the whole thing started as an exploration of Q andon and how conspiracy theories have been weaponized for the purposes of psychological warfare now like a few years into this sucker I pretty much realized I had stumbled upon a vast Globe spaning counterinsurgency program that was
Crafted during the Cold War on the one hand and on the other I was encountering a tradition that went back hundreds if not thousands of years and was effectively a magical working of the highest order and in trying to reconcile these two Revelations I just kept going
Back to Dave McGowanās premise and his classic program to kill book and thatās that serial killers were created by the security services for the purposes of Terror which on the surface I mean sounds really silly right but if you even take a precursory grant at how the US wages counter Insurgency but itās
Mcallenās whole premise in a whole new light the model for this was developed by a guy called Edward Lansdale when he fought a counterinsurgency in the Philippines right after the second world war now this guy used a lot of Novel me methods including an early version of Special Operations forces but the big
Thing everybody remembers is his approach to psychological warfare so he had insurgents drained of blood he had puncture wounds put in their necks he had them hung from trees so it look like they were killed by vampires he he had uh confessions given by insurgents recorded and then played from
Loudspeakers in the air after they had been killed so that the villagers would think that they were coming from ghosts and had all seeing eyes painted on the doors of suspected insurgents and this tradition carried on with VI into Vietnam on steroids you had ghost voices blasted from helicopters is part
Of operation Ming Soul which a young officer named Michael aino cut his teeth in and then elsewhere you had some really interesting stuff done with those legendary Death Cards like mutilating an Insurgent skull where the pituitary gland is located and then nailing a card there with a green skull dripping blood
Oh my god oh this in this context the possibility of the security services were using serial killers really doesnāt seem that far out right it doesnāt dude it doesnāt at all and I think youāre really on to something uh you know again I get into this thing where like how much of the
Pain and suffering and violence and War and war crimes would actually be happening if you didnāt have this Hidden Hand of this Predator class manipulating things from behind behind the scenes in a in a way of just moving and terrorizing people to get our anxieties up our fear up and because when our
Anxietyās High our fears High weāre probably depressed as well because weāre so scared and weāre easily manipulated at that point and thatās my humble opinion well it gets even weirder than just the fear and anxiety you start looking into this stuff you got to end up going to Arch
Choke and MK Ultra and when you start looking closely enough at those programs with the Psychedelic drugs the early experiments with ESP and all the Personnel involved in those UFO investigations youāre left with a really unsettling Prospect and thatās that all this wasnāt just a psychological
Operation and at a minimum some of these Spooks and military men started to genuinely believe that they were communicating with something that was not human and from there you start asking things like is possession real oh man and is that something thatās been weaponized now we start getting some
Some uh religious stuff and like fallen angels and Nephilim and all that stuff weāve had a lot of people coming on that they think a lot of possession involves the the spirits of the Nephilim who couldnāt die I mean Iām Iām into all this stuff like how crazy it is and
Thatās why I always say man itās like the worldās way more interesting than you think and like I honestly believe that the world as we know it right now or as we donāt know it and whatās really going on is like every movie ever all at the same
Time thatās my opinion it makes sense because I think those movies are you know drawn from reality yeah 100% yeah I buy that I think it was like actually The Shining specifically thatās been trans transformed into Twin Peaks season 3 where weāre sort of like either Jack
Or Cooper trapped in an endless time Loop in the Black Lodge yeah I buy that yeah have you you you should really watch Twin Peak Sam uh I think you would enjoy it itās rewarding watch it with your kids sure until you get to the well donāt watch it with your children but
Well my kids are a certain age Iāmma watch Twin Peaks with three year olds yeah yeah just make sure theyāre looking at you and not the TV and I okay so have them watch me as I watch thatās some weird good luck crowling three-year-olds it but heās heās right
Itās thereās so much to that it David Lynch has to say about the world we live in and and you know as it evolves like the the LA TW season three was just I mean I I I donāt even know what to say about Twin Peak season 3 Reus it was
Unlike anything Iāve ever seen well what do you think is more accurate Twin Peaks or um or or black Mir Iām not sure accurate is the word what do you think is more I mean black miror is all about predicting technology and its influence on the future and that I think David
Lynch has more of an esoteric approach to you know those types of things all right Iām Iām into it Iām open-minded I think itās crazy I think itās I mean yeah I I this is I I always wonder like thereās such so many and I donāt want to
Jump all over because I know you have a presentation but you know when you hear someone like um whoās the gay series killer whatās his name um Bundy dmer dmer right dmer you know like when he was a kid he called the president like he called the White House and got
Through and youāre like thatās really weird to me itās probably where he guys all his ideas from he was like oh yeah are you talking to killer gays I mean some of it could be even weirder I mean one of the things Iāve been trying to confirm but I think dmer was actually
Baptized on the day that uh gayy was executed if Iām not mistaken really that is completely weird like Souls going into different yeah I mean when dmer was kind of active in that um you know the gay scene around Chicago too um during the 80s so thereās also this sort of
Slim chance that they might have met each other at some point but I mean itās all in that because Dās act operating out of Milwaukee which is only about two hours from Chicago or something like that so itās very close uh neighborhood there and sure H but um it is crazy dudee itās
Just and like how many how many of these serial killers went to Vietnam got sprayed with agent orange and came back just [ __ ] twisted I mean itās nuts you think the government knows that that could be a side effect yeah like of you becoming a serial killer like how many
Episodes have you been on the show yeah no no no but honestly how many like 500 no I get that no no but that Ancient Orange that one of the side effects is that if you take too much of it you might come back here and become a seral
Killer like you really they they have it that pinpoint down like I know they can do that I mean Iām just saying like isnāt there like I donāt know if I mean like when youāre watching commercials theyāre like could CA Suicidal Thoughts why couldnāt they have something that causes homicidal thoughts thatās just
Yeah that to me just blows my mind the how I told you I I for some I was having uh oh for some reason I got Subs prescribed uh off for off something off label I canāt remember what it was now it it was when I was in college uh I got
Prescribed this medication that is also an uh uh you know an anti-depressive sort of agent yeah and I went in after a week of taking it and I just told the doctor I was like yeah I you know iā itās okay but I just feel like uh I
Donāt know I feel like my my knees are kind of itching and I just kind of want to jump out of my skin and this black woman who was my doctor turned white and just kind of looked at me and she goes stop taking that immediately I was like
What sheās kind of scared me I was like what are you what are you talking about she goes thatās thatās this thatās the thing where people start killing their families like right after that so just donāt just thatās what dud thatās what the doctor told me yeah like so I I
Thereās some well-known side effect of one of these popular their knees start itching well itās itās this feeling of your skin crawling kind of and and kind of uh like a joint like restless legs kind of like that thing and then thatās a now just go through this like thatās on
The market that know yeah she knew this yeah I mean like unless that email just dropped in her lap like just right now theyāre like Hey listen if anybody has itchy knees and want to jump out of their skin they could want to kill their family like stop like thatās an option
The only thing Iām thinking is it maybe something she had seen before or something like that that it was especially you know yeah but the point is itās like if thatās on the a right and that that drug is still on the market I mean and how close is this what
Is it called Johnny Prep Prep at that time is so oh of course yeah yeah I mean obviously no but uh I mean how close is suicidal to homicidal I not far off I think thatās what I mean yes not that far off I think itās this this is the
Difference here here thatās it that far away itās the direction you point the G I mean thatās it really 100% okay I donāt want oh go ahead no go on sorry oh no I was just going to say well maybe a ter plays into whether uh the side one
Of the additional side effects is related to axile dysfunction or something like that well sure I mean that could be like the deciding factor I mean if you canāt even get hard anymore after youāre taking the thing instead of just committing suicide maybe you now need to lash out at somebody who
Knows take out your competition yeah Iām not going to lie if Viagra doesnāt work on me I might want to shoot someone yeah I mean Iām three pills in Iām three pills in might get you take the Rhino 55,000 you could be ized and your legs
Will get stiff from the Rhino 55,000 all right I donāt want to get off track where do you want so where letās pick up where we kind of left off what do you want to talk about here so um I I have some notes where like uh
Where where do you want to start I feel like we we went off the rails and weāve havenāt allowed you to cook with gas oh youāre fine man I mean anytime we start talking about anti-depressants and erectile dysfunction Iām good but um letās get back to uh something I
Mentioned the last time I was on here and that was the whole Seance that changed the world because thatās a really groovy one right all right so there were actually two of these things and one happened in 1952 on New Yearās Eve and the second one was on June 27th
1953 so theyāre also kind of unfolding right there around uh the solstices and so forth and supposedly at these seances initially there were I think three people at the first one and then nine people at the second one they were done by doctor named venid uh the participants were
Supposedly contacted by entities that were subsequently known as the nine who were either transdimensional aliens or beings that existed in pure Consciousness within a computer depending upon you know who telling the story had changed a little bit over the years also they claimed to have been the
Grandon from ancient Egypt uh as back in the day they were wored by gods and humanity and all this other good stuff right so so these things would continue to show up time again in pop culture they turn up in the JFK assassination they turn Watergate yeah they just keep
Coming and it always begs a lot of interesting questions about this so the people who were involved in the second Seance were a bunch of New England blue buds you had people like the Deon the Asters the pays and so forth and Iād always kind of dismissed this
Um you know for a lot of years but after going to some of these really crazy mansions that these families like the Depon to put up and seen you know frankly what is the really ritualistic setup that theyāve got a lot of them Iāve uh Iāve had to wonder if it was
Just a coincidence that many of them were there uh but anyway the big guy doing this was a dude named Andrea puharic who was a doctor and um he had a lot of different channelers for this stuff over the years as the Transmissions from the nine kept coming
Uh one of them was a fellow named Yuri Geller who lot people probably heard of heās an Israeli stage musician also a asset at times for mad for M this the guy you were talking about a [ __ ] artist heās heās the guy the guy who like whispered stuff to Maria brovich is
That the guy no no no no no he remember he used to come on TV in the 80s and Ben spoons all the time he would do all these he used to be wildly ER Geller him right yeah he got exposed by James Randy on multiple occasions how did why what
Did he say he was doing he was bending Spoons on like Carson and J Carson had James Randy on to to give heās like okay now use my spoons and do it and he couldnāt do it why what was up with his spoons well he does I mean there are a
Million ways to bend spoons sometimes you have pre-weekend spoons sometimes you can do slide of hand where you just press them quickly against a table or something while youāre lifting it you know to the you know the personās eye and and and then you just hold it
Between your your index finger and your thumb and then mad sent this guy over like are they just fing with us at this point letās just send out the guy that b who bends spoons and people will love him and then heāll infiltrate the highest levels of heās been heās heās
Just a heās a hookum artist I mean heās a [ __ ] artist totally I mean heās Pro may not even be the most colorful figure they had channeling these things I mean another one was this dude called George hunt Williams who was a contemporary of uh George Adam
Ninski and he also worked with William de P for a lot of years who was the founder of the silver shirts a World War II era fascist organization uh George hunt Williamson had a really colorful career he ended up becoming a member of The Sovereign order
Of St John he started the what was the Church of seven rays in Latin America what which is subsequently been taken up by the IM am movement uh yeah freaking crazy dude okay you brought up I am movement last time what is the I am movement well it was started by this
Couple called the ballards uh around the late 1920s but um weāve uh looked at some evidence of this it might have actually a lot of the ideology been taken from the after mentioned William Dudley py uh py was a guy who claimed to have had essentially an outer body
Experience uh which he wrote down an account of at seven minutes of Eternity uh which became quite popular around the late 1920s and he started bringing all this theosophical stuff and what have you even early accounts the serious tradition into his cosmology and then in 1933 he believed that I believe the
Second coming of Christ had occurred on Earth and it had taken the form of Adolf Hitler what yes yes yes and um this had led him to create the paramilitary silver shirts it was around this time that he started meeting up with the ballards and it actually looks like that um Mrs Ballard
Was having an affair with Paley uh they ended up taking over a lot of his militia types after he was uh brought up on sedition charges and what have you too but um wonderful guy hold on hold on thereās so much you just said so much so
This guy thought Jesus was born again and Jesus came back as Hitler effectively or I canāt remember if that or like the mitraa or something but yeah some sort of divine being had come back to earth and taken on the Earthly manifestation of Adolf Hitler so crazy I
Mean you could pick anybody as like how do you get anyone to follow you after that like that has to be the last fact you tell them I mean you do hear these people following him that you do hear people who were in the presence of Hitler describe him as having like you
There this is a report from all the generals who are trying to excuse their actions letās I mean letās be upfront about it but they say when you were in a room with him like you went in there like Iām gonna quit I canāt take take
This [ __ ] anymore uh and he just had this like hypnotizing mesmeric effect his eyes you know like he had these just this glare that could influence people to do whatever you know and some people ascribe the supernatural to that his ability to influence people do you think
The he had any connections Hitler to the Rothchilds at all Stephen thatās a good question I mean I donāt know if he necessarily had a connection to the Rothchilds but there was just this whole see I mean a lot of people donāt talk about this but the Nazis had actually started relocating a
Lot of Jews to the Holy Land uh before the Holocaust really kicked into high gear in fact that was actually sort of um one of the things that contributed to the foundation of the modern state of Israel in the aftermath of the war but Iāve always wondered um if there was
Part of the reason why several Jewish Elites had financially supported Hitler at some point because it kind of seems like at the early days um I guess sort of like the what the no nothing party of the United States they like you know over here we wanted to just send the
African-Americans back to Africa well Hitler was supposedly just content with helping the Jews return to the Holy Land in the early years before the you know all the gas chamber stuff oh man okay now youāre now youāre getting deep on some St and is like this is the thing
When people start talking about it you know people get really weirded out and this is another dangerous conversation on the show that that Hitler actually wanted to get them to Israel is that what youāre saying yeah yeah I mean that was uh one of the original plans that
They had looked at I mean it was you know again one of many but they did actually help Jews relocate to the holy land at some point in the early days before the uh the whole Final Solution thing really gained a lot of traction thereās just a lot about Hitler that
Just you go okay what is going on here like thatās a fact thatās very interesting and then like why didnāt he ever attack Switzerland thatās an interesting like hey dude why why why arenāt you going to Swit youāre youāre steamrolling all of Europe but youāre not going to go to Switzerland itās like
Weird to me then and then he also didnāt want like the German people to know that he was killing the Jews thatās why they were outside of Germany he had them in like Poland and like the concentration camps like the work camps were in Germany but the killing them was not in
Germany they he didnāt want the people of Germany knowing hey weāre [ __ ] killers and weāre just gassing people I know there are theories that they wanted kind of a place to go hide you know if if they lost the war but really I canāt believe that cuz I I donāt think they
Ever thought about losing any of those guys until much later they never thought they were going to lose but think about this honestly if if you your if your country didnāt cover the war like didnāt cover it what do you mean cover didnāt cover letās say Latin
America how into World War II what do you mean d like news coverage yeah okay like oh itās a World War II but who in who in Latin America is involved with that I donāt know so itās like you know now you got this guy hit everyone says
Heās in Argentina like what does that mean to the average argentinan who may not had television or any kind of uh connection to what was going on in Europe yeah most most were neutral and supported the allies with material but uh Mexico and Brazil sent some troops to
Fight in the war but thatās about it thatās about it like itās kind of crazy right like you know I mean Iām just saying like itās itās just super Hitler is super like we itās like like itās such a weird thing with oh thereās so much about Hill thatās thatās just it
Just feels like theyāre missing pieces to that story doesnāt it I mean and the way Johnny talks about how like people would go in there trying to quit and heād convince you that sounds like some Lucifer like Lucifer stuff like where lit yeah like he had like some power he
Like possessed or some demon in him they say that I mean they really do say he was so influential one-on you know youāve seen him as a speaker and youāre like oh okay thatās something but apparently cult leaders right yeah yeah theyāre they have a sort of magnetic
Effect and itās just like then you get into birthdays and like what that birthday represents and and then you get into the numerology of it itās itās so crazy itās just so crazy and like I want to get back to the nine because I find it very interesting you know uh weāve
Talked a lot about pagan gods on the last episode I just I I I just like I what are your thoughts like are do you have are you an atheist me no no what are you uh I would say I would I donāt know probably an agnostic I donāt really have
A specific designation I just sort of have the my own personal beliefs I guess based on my experiences in life does Fallen Angels register with you at all yeah yeah I definitely think to some extent thatās plausible I I think thereās a lot of credence to the book of
An no and that kind of thing certainly I find it interesting but all these like when when I see here says the you know Humanity has gods of ancient Egypt Iām like are those gods or are those Fallen Angels right itās like itās is it even a relevant distinction you
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What what were some well you gave us a list of people who were involved but what happens in the Seance well they essentially were told that they had a great Destiny where they would uh go forth and guide Humanity or something to that effect and this led to
Some pretty crazy stuff I mean it seems like from beginning around the early 60s they started to incorporate a lot of this into uh various uh forms of entertainment and the really big thing seems to been the circle around Leslie Stevens who created The Outer Limits his
Uh father was an admiral in the Navy and this is where Jean Roddenberry was work was lurking around before he started Star Trek right and Star Trek is just absolutely littered with all of these Mythos of the nine and it I mean obviously you can see this was like DS9
And some of the later ones but I mean almost from the beginning Roddenberry was putting stuff like that into there but really interesting and what I just kind of uncovered is the fact that Stanley cubric was probably also embedding this stuff into pop culture and specifically with 2001 one of
Cubertās really good friends guy he went to high school with and who got him into direction would go on to work extensively on the Star Trek franchise and he was working with Leslie Stevens all the way back in 1960 and when you look at how cubric basically has these disembodied
Intelligences in 2001 I that this is very much taken out of the nine Mythos that they were trying to seed as long as as well as the connections to psychedelics which were always closely connected to the nine from the beginning with um puharic effectively claiming at
One point that they had guided him to discover some magic mushrooms in Maine I think around like 1955 or something like that uh in a lot of ways I mean 2001 is almost like the ultimate personification of this whole m u that uh this methos had spawned thatās so cra I mean like
Thereās definitely some Star Wars Star Trek they have all this weird stuff like when I watch Star Trek I mean Star Wars all the new ones I go this is Dei you know at its greatest diversity this is the most this is where diversity goes the Cantina and Star Wars where
Everyoneās got a gun and thereās one of everyone thatās where itās like itās I wouldnāt doubt that these these sci-fi shows actually have some dark arts symbolism behind them and like like do you have any examples of where thereās some nine in Star Trek that that really interests me do you have any
Examples of that well yeah I mean you could see the Q character for instance uh is being sort of based on that whole thing where B yeah exists outside of time and space in the case of DS9 I mean itās really blatant with uh what is it
The Prof I think theyāre called those um interdimensional beings that live in the Wormhole um outside of the planet there that the spaceship is over gosh I canāt remember the name of it now but thereās a really telling scene I think specifically in like the like end of I
Think the I think itās the season finale for the fifth season but itās the time when they brought Cisco into the Wormhole and heās communicating with these beings right the prophets right and yeah the prophets and I mean he basically says something to them if you want people to believe that youāre Gods
Then be Gods because theyāre about to be invaded um by that oh that really Advanced civilization from uh the Delta quadrant or something like that and um essentially the prophets just make this whole Armada disappear you know like that like itās nothing to them so I
Think that thatās yeah you also in the final frontier Star Trek 5 uh you know thereās this being that is pretending to be God at the uh center of the universe uh and he you know it kind of I would say would represent maybe one of these
Beings like a false angel of Light or whatever but his whole thing is heās drawing the the crew of the Enterprise to the center of the universe and then they get there uh and Spockās brother has kind of H convoluted sort of story but they he hijacks them and like takes
Them to this and then heās like come closer bring your ship closer and then Kirkās in the back heās like uh excuse me what does God need with a Starship and then he just starts shooting laser beams out of his eyes at them you know trying to kill them all but itās itās
Yeah I could totally see how you could see that as a you know the subtext there is that there are these these maybe fallen angels that are parading as beings of light and possibly hiding in space you know like using space as their cloak uh you know and and really itās
Not space but you know maybe extra dimensional uh territory out there that is uh you know theyāre trying to draw us into it so that they can somehow take something from us that they need thatās why maybe weāre being pulled to the cosmos who knows itās interesting dude
And itās weird itās just weird I me really I mean most of the earlier spiritual Traditions are effectively centered around the whole concept of uh you know what we refer to in the syn mystical Community is Astron nois because I mean really when you get back back to Traditions uh really from Egypt
From Babylon especially involving theurgy the uh transmutation of the Consciousness you know all of this is essentially about traveling through space you a lot of ancient Traditions believed that the human soul originated in the Milky Way and then it uh in the process of incarnation traveled down through the planetarian celestial
Spheres and then upon death you return to the Stars so I mean this has always been something thatās fascinated uh humanity and specifically thereās always been this question I think that you know weāve been struggling with almost throughout our existence as to whether or not this is an actual physical space
Out there or is this something much more metaphysical uh because it has always been very closely tied to this religious Journey right so thatās where it gets even more incredible I mean in a lot of ways you know weāre just kind of discover the earliest Faith now itās
Just so crazy dude itās so itās constantly a mind game and the purpose of it I donāt know I think itās to keep you confused yeah yeah well congratulations you did it I am Shish kabed at this so what do you think became of the nine well they still seem to be
Lingering around I mean they had uh actually a residency at esselin for a couple of years they were promoted by Jenny O Conor who was one of the Chandlers uh for a Time interesting too there was another one in the 70s known only to posterity as Bobby who was a
Cook from Daytona Beach which has always fascinated me because Iām a cook from Dayton Beach so anyway hold on what are you say what are you saying that a cook from Daytona Beach might have been part of the nine he was one of the Chandlers of the nine for whatever reason he was
One of the that they use so yeah they used yerri Giller they used the astrof fascist George hunt Williamson they used the new age fake Jenny okono and they used a cook from Daytona Beach what did you call him the astrof fascist yeah yeah George H Williamson wh why is he an
Astrof fascist by the way best name ever I mean if anybody thought that would beit he was an early yist like I said he was there with George adamsky when that you know blonde Aryan being from Venus stepped out of the spaceship right what I mean yeah yeah yeah he later you know
Worked for George William Dudley paly the guy was just telling you about the silver shirt fure so I mean what else you gon to call him heās an astrof fascist right Iāve never heard of fascist I just came up with that in the spot too man oh you made that up yeah
Just right now oh snap like it I do like that AST fascism now we got another now we now we got f aliens here swim around with Hitler mustaches probing butts you would be amazed when you go into these Channel Communications how often some supposed Superior uh intelligence from
Another uh galaxy has traveled all this way to Earth to inform us that in fact the Jews all are the ultimate personification of Pure Evil in the known universe I what imagine try what bro yeah I who is coming that far imagine traveling that far and everyoneās like whatever
Anti-semitic being from another imagine your excitement at meeting okay there the the spaceship door opens you know and youāre like oh my God what uh greetings you know lovely to meet you what what can you tell us about the nature of reality or you know the the
The life in the universe and theyāre like the Jews man the Jews you really got to watch out for the Jews bro and then they just leave keep your eye on the Jews man oh no no first they give us the one advice like you have a great and Shining
Destiny before you but first just have to do a little work on your racial hygiene racial hygiene oh oh my God isnāt that hilarious Iām not saying he was right about everything but Hitler had some ideas you know thatās thatās the the alien this guy this guyās from another
Higher and a higher Dimension where all is love and all is pure and they only speak the truth what do you say Hitler had some good ideas okay wrap it up call to day there we and weāre off to commercial weāll be right back crazy dude crazy we need to get a
Chandler on this show I would love that just Channel some [ __ ] I would love that and weāll be like ask the entity when xgās English is going to get better come on I got we we got Babble Iāve been Iāve been trying actually heās the only one who
Gets Babble to learn to speak English is that even an optional I think I think that would be the best oh hey man learn to do you want to learn to speak English if you already know how to speak English learn how to speak better
English oh man that is crazy dude so we got the nine the nine now has some Daytona Beach Chandler thatās so crazy thatās so crazy dude right if you could pick anywhere would you pick Daytona Beach youāre the worst places I mean not for a Chanel I mean of
Anywhere yeah thatās a good point yeah trust me Daytona Beach is not the place youāre going to find somebody whoās especially spiritually enlightened I lived there for nearly 20 years I know man I know yeah itās also not the place you would expect uh beings to come
Through you know what Iām saying like uh where are we going to appear how about the guy in you know my theory about this Di men right that all these entities treat it like Tiana they come here for a donkey show so if youāre going to come
Here for a donkey just think about it actually does make sense to me right when youāre going to play like Grand Theft Auto right donāt you pick the weirdest character like you add like the weirdest Dimensions the weirdest haircuts the weirdest stuff so if Iām an
An N thatās why you go to Florida right so youāre like dude where can I get the weirdest Avatar to work through well we got this cooking Daytona Beach whoās got frosted tips tattoos itās him or Peggy who does the pingpong ball show you know chice why did the two chicks one
Cup while she found God and now sheās she just one chick two cups now yeah itās just one chick and her cup runneth over with the love of God thatās crazy one itās one cup and we canāt tell if itās half full or half empty so they
Have Chandlers and they pick some weird ones uh man I mean like how much of that do you think uh Reus do you think is is legitimate I mean do you do you get the sense that some of it is just attention seeking the channeling yeah I mean
Definitely a lot of these guys were certainly opportunist thereās no doubt but what do you look what do you look for when when you are evaluating the legitimacy or the likely you know the likely legitimacy of of these of these uhp types of people well I mean you got well I mean
Especially if youāre talking about spies I mean you got to kind of keep in mind none of them are ever truly legitimate I mean theyāre all [ __ ] artists to some level or another trying to create a methos around them so I try to go by as much of the hard background material
That I can find around this stuff and thatās you know the thing with the nine where all this gets really crazy right because the guy who pushed this for years was this Adrina puharic guy but he was doing some very serious work for the
Dod and uh the CIA for a time and the way puhar claimed the way he told it is that he went to bat for all this stuff around 1947 on a project called penguin now thereās never been any evidence to confirm that something named penguin existed uh and he claimed that this was
Part of the Navy but it just so happens that in 1947 the Navy did launch a program that was known as Pelican so is pretty similar and Pelican is a really interesting program thatās never talked about it was basically a full-blown Clockwork Orange type procedure so the
Navy is trying to recruit people for Special Operations forces and assassinations and theyāre scouring the military prisons and theyāre finding these candidates they want to try to make them even more efficient Killers oh my so theyāre being being strapped into chairs clamped down their eyes are literally being clamped open just like
In Clockwork Orange theyāre being drugged and theyāre shown these ultraviolent movies and ab bid to desensitize them this is another reason too why I think that cubrick was in on all of this because again Clockwork Orange thereās some very pointed references to this program that puharic may have potentially been actively
Involved in so this is some really nasty stuff and uh you know one other thing again I want to reiterate the men that were being picked for this program were being taken out of military prisons and so forth they were already picking people with a strong uh inclination
Towards violence so it does kind of beg the question just how much you really needed to desensitize these people right right right right right and like Iāve said this before you know I had a I had a friend before who couldnāt pass the pschological exam to become a cop and
Heās the nicest guy I know for a while there before he did become a cop and it made me start to think that maybe he was too nice yeah maybe that aināt what they want for yeah they want a guy whoās like gonna you know gonna I mean again I Iām
Really not in the mood to like bash cops even though I do believe that we need to have a checks and balances on that right that I canāt be just you know New Jack City or some [ __ ] like that right we got to have it we have to have some balance
Um but I also think that they do want a certain type of of aggression in their cops that if [ __ ] itās a fan theyāre ready to go and theyāre and theyāre looking for that action see but I also think there are some that if you might
Do great on that test you get a thousand and you get ranked the [ __ ] up like oh youāre perfect youāre exactly what weāre looking for you you beat youāre more than average and then they move you up and now youāre youāre part of the [ __ ] police department in Vegas yeah
Right and now youāre the part of the sheriff and now you can act like nothing happened yeah I mean thatās thatās thatās what I just said basically right thatās thatās that they well you were saying how how they look for like people that are psycho no you said how your
Your friend was too good for yeah oh youāre saying they want some of those people also think that they also find and they look for people that are like super aggressive super ready to cries they put him on the force and theyāre like here this guy will shoot a black
Guy for sure yeah for yeah thatās B basically part of what I donāt part of what I believe does happen that that they donāt believe that everybody is perfect for again I donāt Iām not hating on Cops I just was trying to figure out why this kid who was the nicest kid I
Know was having problems passing this test and he ended up just now heās a cop and I just like it just made me think that maybe they they donāt want normal people like and youāre if youāre in the military theyāre doing tests on you all the time like does everybody get a
Chance to become special ops or do they ask you if you want to become because you have a certain level that they know they need for that I mean when you get out no you have to go through a personality profile if Iām not mistaken
To get which goes back to last thing you talked about last time you on the show like what are these special classes about yeah absolutely you know I mean like Iām pretty sure when weāre like like we we all have accepted that these phones mine our data and we donāt and everyoneās
Like yep what can you do but man I think theyāve been doing data forever they just had different ways to do it well that was the Snowden thing part partly the the the Revelation that you know they were literally crunching all the data you know at that big facility
Everything yeah but even before like the internet like hey man how many how many times you smoke cigarettes a week like they had yeah they did like they they would track like library book you know check out library books yeah they had so you have kids Sam have you noticed any
Parenting or any test that you might be like okay this is weird cuz thatās when they start them young you start taking these tests to find out if your kid is smart or if itās reading or not have you noticed anything we like no not yet but
Are your kids in school yet well theyāre preschool yeah I know but thatās not like P thatās not like part of the system yet really technically right well one one is and the other oneās in a private school that there is like a Catholic school because I just donāt
Want that I go are you guys doing woke stuff they like we no I go you I was trying to be nice about so they didnāt think I was like some psycho weird conspiracy theorist Iām like uh what are you guys like teaching are you guys
Doing any of that woke no we do none of that woke stuff Iām like thank God sheās coming to the school and you know itās like you know and again I would love to do uh homeschooling I donāt know if thatās an option right now I donāt want
To hear about it but weāre I would love that but right now you want to hear about it because not everybody can do homeschooling and I make it seem very easy when it is very itās very hard you have to have the the right people
Involved with it wanting to do it it it should be a community like oh well thatās what a lot of it is yeah you really need a community yeah to do homeschooling effectively I mean thatās from what a lot of my friends who told
Me have tried to do it if you donāt have like kind of a support network of people around you to like share the burden with um you know with other parents and stuff like that with their kids it becomes kind of tricky to do everything yourself thereās funding for that now though
Right at the I think at the federal level thereās funding for Community well I mean theyāre thinking about making it illegal right now no that would suck whoa for real yeah theyāre trying I mean theyāre never going to be able to do it but I mean theyāre going to try thereās
Finally a movement though I think as we see this movement uh against higher education you know against the university system I think that will take the pressure off of you know the standardized nature of high school and middle school because you know the reason they say oh you got to pass all
These standardized tests you can get into into college but the the emphasis is much less now on going to college I think finally you know because itās being exposed for the money-making sham it is that I think people will you know feel more comfortable pursuing uh homeschooling well I got murdered in um
On Twitter because they somebody put this out and it was like hey hey uh hey can you do this third grade Chinese math equation I couldnāt have done it I saw it okay and but by the way they had like a 20-year-old doing it in the video Iām
Like whereās the three whereās the whereās the third grader Chinese thatās not third grader Chinese I also canāt do the [ __ ] I could do in fifth grade but I also said like Iām 50 years old and Iāve never had to use this math any point and they they they murdered me I havenāt
Done algebra in 20 years they murdered me oh you just why donāt you just admit you canāt do the math dude Iām function illiterate what makes you think I could do math yeah thatās a good point no and I I saw the video cuz I thought I was
Like let me see if I there was no way there was like four or five equations you had to memorize it was like find the area of the perimeter then there was these circles and meant to make Americans feel stupid but we did that [ __ ] we did algebra when we were in
School yeah and then you graduated high school you donāt do it you forget about and youāre like I this applies nowhere and that was the point of what I did thatās the point of the Tweet Iāve never used this in real life Iāve never used
It in my life Iām 50 years old done a million things in my life never used it now part of it is because you know Iāve got a supercomputer in my pocket literally now so well thatās 100% And itās and I donāt know if thatās good or
Bad are we okay go you know I mean like okay the the third grade Chinese kids can do this math if theyāre so smart why are they jacking all of our ideas why are they spying on us left and right Fair Point there you know itās like itās the obviously thereās something about
When youāre overly structured you donāt think outside the box you you donāt allow creativity to happen and thatās a big problem with like communist now I know that Chinaās evolving but when youāre telling people what they can do what they canāt do for work youāre not allowing people to thrive thatās my
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Okay so okay so this is super interesting because again you know with this Q stuff weāve had this conversation before about like I mean I think all of us would agree Q is a scop right but in operation truth there was a lot of Truth to that like operation truth told you
The truth thatās it was used a long time ago they had to tell you the truth to bring to get all the paranoid people to believe in it so yeah when you go and I Iām sorry we already covered this my apologies but do you think the nine was
Real or do you think it was a scup operation well thatās again where it gets like really interesting because you can look at the pros and cons with this so the cons side when puharic was brought back into the security services in the 50s he was brought into the
Psychological warfare Department of what became the Special Operations Command and this is the whole time frame where basically the military especially was investing a fortune and researching all these different Traditions the magical Traditions like theyāre researching witchcraft in the Congo and all this kind of stuff I mean literally theyāre
Sending anthropologists all over the freaking world to study this kind of stuff and how it can be weaponized and so forth but on the flip side of the coin youāve got these early Bluebird committees which became uh project art at choke and they had the same committee
For them and the people involved with this stuff in the early days were just absolutely nuts yeah so itās itās connected to a committee that was run by vavar Bush and for those of you unaware this was the guy who for years was said to be the big pooa behind Majestic 12
And all this other stuff of course more tangible we have the Smith memo which suggested that Bush was the one who was running uh the UFO studies in the United States but concurrently with all this going on heās also in this committee thatās connected to all this early
Research with Bluebird and artist choke one of his proteses was a guy called H Marshall Chadwell who was a part of the Robertson panel which was big with uh early ethology and developing The Narrative for that but he also was a guy who directed AR at choke at time heās
Doing all this so youāve got all of these people tied in not just with the nine but with the early euphology theyāre absolutely immersed in all of these you know behavior modification techniques they developed this thing called the artichoke treatment where essentially youāre trying to induce
Narco hypnosis and a lot of times they would give these people this this concoction called Smasher I think or Slammer and it was LSD mix with this uh thing called I think Metatron or something like that but it was something that essentially induced convulsions in people so my God theyāre strapping you
Into a chair theyāre giving you a heroic dose of LSD with this drug that makes you go into uncontrollable convulsions right theyāre going into you know psych wards prisons P camps theyāre doing this to hundreds probably thousands of people thatās ins dude even after itās a lot of
Evidence coming out that itās not working so why do they keep doing this crap and then you start looking at some of the other people that were tied into this committee and one of them is a real interesting guy called cleave bter who became really big in New Age circles
After he was claim claimed that he could communicate with plants with a polygraph there was a really famous book written about that in the 70s called by Christopher o Christopher oer and I think Peter Tomkinson or something like that uh but it led into this whole issue where you could communicate you know
With your house plants and stuff like that with the polygraph so Cleaves this this really you know neat little guy right but uh back in the day he was the head poop off for this whole method of Narco hypnosis so he ends up becoming involved with this group that I told you about
Before The Sovereign order of St John that George huntt Williamson was a member of that had a lot of the these other cookie Chandlers like Delmar dearis he was another one of those guys who thought that uh these great Advanced civilizations were communicating with him to tell him that the Jews really
Were evil after all good stuff so cleave is involved in this group heās going around the country heās meeting with all of these UFO contes like Travis Walton and people like that heās basically filing reports with them and sending them back to the order which is just absolutely wash with all these senior
Military guys and general this Colonel that youāve got other people involved with it like Colonel Philip Coro who wrote the day after Roswell probably the biggest UFO book so all these guys are there and some of them like Baxter have these connections to things like arit choke and this is where you start
Getting into some of the the my lab allegations right of these military induced abductions and all this other kind of stuff oh thatās crazy so I mean I mean do is there a party that thinks that maybe this artichoke operation artichoke is like somewhat could have created serial
Killers well thatās what I was kind of hitting at with the stuff with project Pelican because remember youāre talking about people who were taken out of military prisons who already had shown a high degree of uh the use to the ability to use vience right so do these guys really need to be
Desensitized but when you get into literature related to things like possession right well theoretically thereās got to be a certain hole in your soul to begin with to be possessed so think about that for a minute youāre taking people of prisons who have already committed heinous acts of violence youāre maybe pumping them
Through a psychedelics got all these people around here who think that theyāre communicating with aliens or whatever so do they start wondering if maybe we can Channel something into these people when weāre doing these experiments to them that is that dude this is where the dark art stuff comes in and this is
Where I think again weāve talked about in the last couple shows I donāt think the Nazis Lost World War II I think they just walked right over here and set up these operations through the CIA right I mean the Roman cathol the Roman Empire becomes Catholic Church the
British Empire becomes the bank of England and the Nazis become the CIA and and theyāve hijacked our military that is what my belief is for sure so theyāre running these psychological operations right around when the CIA comes over here what happens now we start seeing all this alien stuff now we
Like dude like this is like insane to me so itās like now we start seeing things where we you know you didnāt get into it but I I really think itās interesting where you said that does the Nine appear in the JFK assassinations Watergate you know all that crazy [ __ ]
Like well yeah I mean itās absolutely freaking nuts when youāre looking at the prospect of um I mean like with the Watergate stuff too itās absolutely insane because the guy connected to the nine with that is James McCord who was uh most likely a part of all this stuff
With artichoke when he was in the CIA and the office of security my God and again heās actually appears to be running or at least connected to a sex ring that was being run out of the Watergate Hotel what by this woman named Heidi Ranken whose father had literally
Immigrated from Nazi Germany she was born in Nazi Germany uh she she went into the army in 1957 suddenly left after like six months or something in there became this uh Madam for like these various gangsters uh throughout the 60s and then she set up this elaborate curl ring that was
Servicing a lot of the uh politicians tied into the Watergate Hotel this is really the backdrop right of Watergate which is the things that they really didnāt want coming out because you had this sex ring you had it being run by this guy mcord who was involved with all
These people who are running project arted joke you got this Heidi rining chick who again parents she was born in Nazi Germany she became this [ __ ] you know again you got to wonder about this stuff and you know I kind of set out on This research to try to
Debunk a lot of the these conspiracy theories but you keep holy [ __ ] encountering this kind of insanity so so what youāre saying in a weird way and maybe not in a weird way maybe it is the way is that the the scandal of Watergate as we know it okay as we know
It was a smoke screen for something crazier that was going on there that they didnāt want you to look at yeah absolutely I mean this is go ahead and that to me fits into the whole pizzagate Scandal right like they make you think oh oh D
You think they had kids in a in in know a basement and beat the place and they doing all the the thought that the kid that a Patza place and they donāt even have a basement man youāre stupid and itās like no thatās not what itās really
About what itās really about is that there thereās a giant pedophile ring thatās blackmailing the entire of Washington DC and itās like goes again back to this thing where itās like oh youāll accept Jeffrey Epstein but you wonāt accept pizz gate right like itās so hilarious to me itās so and like I
This may not be your thing Stephen but you know you youāll accept the Van Allen Bell but you wonāt SE accept the firmament itās like these things that are that are comfortable for sheep but not come but other things arenāt even though theyāre talking about the same
Thing but back to this this is amazing to me and really why this shocks me Stephen is because I saw this and I did it on uh deep conspiracy rewinds on uh Rock fin is I get into um I get into how uh there was a 60 Minutes article when
60 Minutes did really good work or what appeared to be good work about a Boston lawyer who did who did deep reearch into how the Nazis came here and he totally 100% found out that Richard Nixon was part of a small group that helped bring the Nazis to the United States and that
Was right after Tucker Carlson was trying to convince everybody that kind of you know Nixon kind of got a bad rap and Iām like what and then this this video popped up out of nowhere and I was like so like when youāre talking about like artist choke Nazis all that [ __ ]
That lines up completely with what you said about Watergate in my eyes Iāll do even one better here um getting into all okay so I basically covered most of the stuff that is in first book and uh well thereās a lot of other stuff too psychotronic weapons and
What have you but Iāll give you a bit of a hint where Iām going up with the second one here and this involves a guy called George Adell who was at the at the center of a lot of scandals in La around 1950 and most of this concerned the
Allegations that he had raped his 13-year-old daughter tomara hodell who would subsequently go on to become a mentor to Michelle Phillips of The Mamas and Papas and to be tied into that whole my God but Mr hell also in recent years thereās been compelling evidence coming out to indicate that he was
Involved in the murder of Elizabeth Short more commonly known as the black daa which is one of the most notorious and ritualistic murders in the history of the 20th century United States it seems to have been absolutely steeped in surrealism and all this other really occultic artwork the thing about hell is that
After he was able to beat this rap of uh raping his pre-teen daughter he uh left the United States for many years and he ended up in a place that we have been talking about a lot in this podcast and that is the Philippines while he was there worked
For a couple of government agencies one of them being the US information agency which is very interesting because the guy I was just talking about before Edward Lansdale the guy who uh liked to had people killed and drained blood and punct so they thought vampires well lale
Used the US information agency a lot for his operations in the Philippines and later in Vietnam and beyond that he had a lot of friends who worked at the US information agency in the Philippines for many years most notably the woman that he had a longtime affair with and
Later married who was an employee of the usia for several decades and almost surely would have been working there while George Fidel was doing contract work for them and um if you followed any of the research that uh his son Steve Adell has done on him thereās a good chance that Elizabeth
Short was not the only person that George Adell had murdered or been involved in he might have been involved in the red lipstick murders in Chicago possibly also the Zodiac killings later in the 1960s the bad dude bad bad dude this is crazy wait so they they think he could
Have been the Zodiac or responsible for some of those what what are you saying well Iām going to get into that but I think that he was probably involved in a network related to the Zodiac killings because again there seems to be a military connection with that yeah hell
Was a big guy in Los Angeles he essentially seems to been a guy tied in with an abortion ring that was doing abortion for celebrities and keep in mind this is like the 1940s right so I mean abortion is a big crime back then and heās doing this for a lot of
Prominent people he was also effectively the venial Zar something like that and then he later ended up doing a lot of work for the UN the venial are oh yeah because you know La needs a venial disease some guys like I am King of the STDs worship me or get
Clamidia take out my Army of purpose Iād love to see that on a business card you yeah hey everybody Iām in charge of an aerial disease you everybody ask you what you do at these Hollywood parties you know itās like hey what do you do I had just the VDS Iām AAL desar
Bro the the military connection is is that the uh is that the book rentals from all from the military bases is that the what are the other military connections there with the Zodiac I mean I know that was one of the connections that they thought that most they you
Know thereās that connection between the books all about you The Killing and you know of people and like binding people up and stuff were taken out of apparently uh libraries on military bases uh I know thatās one of the connections what are some of the others
Iām curious oh I know another one was the shoes uh there was the Crimson yeah yeah it looked like they were at least military surplus boots um several of the killings took place near military bases so there were definitely and then just in general the
Precision of it as well but this is like where it gets really nutty because on top of that the Zodiac the crime has really eerie similarities to uh the Phantom killer I think is what it was called The Moonlight murderer you know the one that they depicted in the town
That dreaded Sundown so which incidentally also these killings happened in 1946 which was like the year before the black dala murder but you know again I donāt know if there was any direct connection to that or not but it seems clear that whoever was doing the Zodiac killings had deliberately modeled
Them partly on uh the Moonlight murders because itās basically the same scenario in the early um killings that were attributed to the Zodiac where youāve got a guy going into the leverās lanes finding these isolated couples heās wearing a mask in the case of the uh Moonlight murder it was like a white
Hood the Zodiac of course later did the black hood and the whole you know super villain you know costume thing or whatever the hell you want to call that so uh itās definitely interesting because in a lot of these cases to me the almost the most fascinating thing about this is the
Interaction that these serial murders had with the media and how theyāre essentially trying to construct a character to attribute these crimes to which is a tradition that goes back really to Jack the Ripper himself something that seems to keep occurring over and over again with these really high-profile serial killings that is so
You think now as your suggestion that that they are intentionally misleading but they they kind of create that Persona to take on the you know they take the Heat and then and then maybe itās a group possibly thatās doing the killings is that yeah I mean something
To that effect but I mean I also wonder to some extent if youāre all most creating like uh an egregor or something like that because I mean a lot of these guys are very much steeped in Magic right so you have these killers that are
You know in the case of the black Dia murders with the black Dia Avengers letters with Jack the Ripper with zodiac you know theyāre basically creating these elaborate Mythos around themselves and subsequently theyāve all become pop culture Staples right and I mean that in of itself is almost a kind of magical
Work it kind of goes back to the very basis of Abracadabra as I speak I create yeah when you as they kill they create yeah youāre right but and you hear that about the people that work those cases and the people that were involved in in investigating it you know
Outside of the the justice system they they all seem obsessed with you know something that you know lived with them the rest of their lives uh as though it had some kind of Supernatural uh you know attraction no but youāre totally yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean I get
That you always hear that haunted me every I think about it every day especially yeah yeah and in this case I mean they haunted entire communities I mean just look at how you know zodiac terrified San Francisco in that period yeah they had didnāt they have didnāt
They have curfews during uh imagine that a curfew because a guy was just killing people or I mean the Son of Sam I mean this is another one where you have the whole media campaign playing into then I mean just look what it did to New York
City New York City right I mean itās one thing if it does this to a California City but I mean itās freaking New York right whoās uh who was that Richie Ramirez wasnāt he scary like an LA thatās a creep and then when they discovered it was him like his whole
Neighborhood beat the [ __ ] out of oh yeah they didnāt they didnāt even let him run heās the creepiest Dude too and then there were chicks trying to bang him but hey I think what youāre saying is very interesting you know that kind of explains the chicks trying to bang
Him thing though right this Supernatural magic itās like youāre kind of talking about earlier with Hitler where I mean it was like there was almost that you know inner force that was attractive to people that he was channeling I mean I think to some extent when you do get
Into some of these characters I because George Adell was another guy I mean he was also a bit of a ladies man even though I mean he was also this monstrous figure in so many levels right so yeah so often they are kind of ladies men but
They hate women isnāt that you see that with like Ted bu yeah but theyāre like theyāre like this weird kind of thing where itās like the like when people go Ted Bundy was super handsome no Ted Bundy was good looking for a serial killer when most serial killers
Apparently Charming though but ugly like itās Comics like outside of Matt R every single comic that was like oh dude he like he he heās a heās such a hotc com like no heās good-looking for a comedian but he was Charming though Ted bunny thatās not that goodl looking thatās
Thatās not that good heās just not like a quasim modo that most of these guys are yeah youāre right youāre right no youāre right itās they say he was the magnetism yeah one well I mean like itās something that in comedy and entertainment I call the Elvis fact I
Mean that top right photo is kind of and you can just get into like numerology of when youāre born and all that stuff and whether you believe in that I do but you do yeah I do I do I do believe in that and astrology and all that itās like
Just certain people have certain kind of Attraction they just attract people you walk in they have a different energy I mean they say that about Trump youāve heard people that hate Trump be like oh dude all of a sudden heās there and youāre just like yeah heās in the room
Youāre like oh dude heās got what he has Biden would pay a infant money to have I mean you just will never have that they just donāt have that they donāt have anybody who has that on that they can teach that I donāt think Trump can teach
That to someone no you canāt you canāt itās like you canāt teach F like itās very weird stand-ups where theyāre always like you canāt teach funny well I mean if you learn the right kind of paradigms you could say oh black people walk like this white people walk like
That and youāll get a certain part of the segment or my mom you become an actor right essentially youāre doing somebody possible you get a writer do the material and then you become an actor on stage right so you can in that sense but itās itās like you canāt teach car
Charisma you canāt teach it itās just you have it or not like I guess women can do that with makeup where itās like you know because like the whole thing is that Fallen Angels taught women makeup and itās like itās all that dark real thing yeah they came down and taught
Them secrets that they shouldnāt have known one of them that part but I didnāt know it was make which was makeup one of it was makeup love and like Voodoo of makeup like when Jordan Peterās like well if youāre so worried about sexual harassment maybe we should get rid of
Makeup in the workplace and women freaked out but he was totally right because like the the painting of your face is to give the illusion of you just got done having sex yeah the flush cheeks yeah y yep yep yep but itās all psychological but going back to this
Whole thing itās like the the smiley face killers they they make you want to think itās one person but thereās also believe that it might be a bunch of people do you think they could be part of some project artichoke project MK Ultra 100% or just some dark arts thing
Man but like this project artichoke to me is like like that hits a nail on like the creation of of these almost like in in everything else controlled opposition agent provocators all this stuff that caused chaos cuz you know when everyone gets into Israel versus Palestine you
See all these people in the truth Community totally throwing out all their expertise that theyāve applied to every other high impact event happening and they just go emotionally in head first into this conflict and forgetting everything that theyāve been preaching about for years if not decades and you
Know and itās just like if you know the Playbook which is create the problem offer the solution so you know itās like why law enforcements donāt want drugs to be illegal I mean because a big part of their budget is going to fighting illegal drugs if their drugs are all
Illegal what do we got now so they want to keep it illegal well you know if youāre law enforcement and you you want to like I you know when we did an episode on Broward County right all the scups have come out of there one of the
Biggest ones was Adam um who disappeared whatās the kidās name Adam um his dad Walsh Adam Walsh but you know what Adam Walsh did it like it it stopped children from playing outside my kids donāt I mean theyāre only three so they wouldnāt do that but they donāt play
Outside the part you donāt hear about as much too is not only did the police want that the illicit drug dealers donāt donāt want it being legalized ether yeah 100% I mean they were that was a bargain that they both had and they kind of you
Know they worked they had their own code that agreed between them and they wanted to continue that way forever the only thing that saved weed dealers is the tax on weed that nobody wants to go to the the to the weed shop theyād rather go back to their old drug dealer the cartel
Donāt want I mean thatās for sure uh uh does uh Charles Manson fit anywhere here what 100% yeah but like which was he part was he artichoke was he before was he MK like cuz I mean he it seems like he was Arch choke well yeah I mean itās you
Know itās not like the simplest thing to like break down here with the time that weāve got left but you know kind of getting back to I was saying you have to like really look at these circles around Michelle Phillips and some of the other people uh that were tied into that sort
Of Hollywood scene so sheās dating uh Jack Nicholson right uh so this starts bringing in all the stuff with the pansies with all these other people but on top top of that um the guy who really launched the career for a lot of the counterculture figures in Hollywood like
Nicholson and Peter fond and all this was this producer called Bert Snider okay heās the guy who produced easy riter he was the guy who set up BBS production which is also where like Five Easy Pieces and more or less this is the beginning of like indie film making in
The United States as we know it okay so Bert does this and heās also really big in activism he basically was funding uh the Black Panthers heavily by the early 1970s and on top of that he was also Huey Newtonās good friend and potentially lover as well and uh he was
Also massively funding the yippies all these other groups but see hereās where this gets like really interesting because heās in all these circles around Manson um his longtime girlfriend Candace Bergen had actually been dating uh Terry mure I think think at the time of the Manson killings so all these like
Circles interact with that a guy like Bert Snider he gets approached by Mr Daniel Ellsberg the famous whistleblower right who just recently died okay so Ellsberg was in Vietnam and who did he serve under when he was in Vietnam served under Edward Lansdale guy weāve been talking about
All this and he was a really good friend of Edward Lansdale in fact when Max boot interviewed uh ellsburg about Lansdale in 2018 he said he loved Lansdale he was in The Cult of Edward Lansdale literally referred to it as a cult so hereās a guy whoās so closely connected to Lansdale
Who befriends this big Hollywood producer whoās funding all of these left-wing groups and this kind of thing and the more that Iāve been digging into that I have to feel that the Manson stuff was also part of this whole millu that was unfolding in LA and I mean
Again could agree more I mean it also I think goes back even with George Adell because you got to remember tamarrow Hell his daughter uh was a mentor to Michelle Phillips I mean she was kind of tied in to all these circles and then you have a guy like Jack Nicholson who
Is dating Angelica Houston for a lot of years her Father John Houston the director was a really good friend of George Adell they had actually known each other I think since like college Years or something like that and apparently some of the stuff in Chinatown was actually based on things
That Tamar had told uh Michelle Phillips who in turn told them to Jack Nicholson when they were dating right so Iāve always found it interesting that this was the specific Circle that Manson uh you know went after especially when you get into all these rumors around uh the pansies essentially that they were
Filming these really violent pornos that maybe you had some of these celebrities that were involved and I mean this has always been one of the sort of dark Rumblings around Hollywood for years that porn has been used as a major form of black male and control for various
Celebrities and again when you start looking at hadel and some of the Hollywood circles around him you know you just keep coming back to that I mean Stanley cubric a guy who is also connected to all of this uh he wanted to do a big budget porno movie throughout the 1960s Terry
Southern Raider wrote a screenplay this called Blue movie but I think cubrick as with a lot of this other stuff was really uh interested in shining a light on uh some of these more nefarious dealings and I mean he would know you know he did Lolita the uh lady who
Starred in the lead as the title character Sue loin she was actually raped by J be Harris during this production Michelle Phillips alleged that when she was 14 years old okay Harris was cucās production partner he dissolved the partnership right after they did Lolita um they had signed Sue
Loin to this like nine picture deal or something like that uh it ended up going to seven artist production which um Harris was working with and seven RS is run by this guy named Ray Stark who also I mean he was the agent for Ben Hesh who
Was a guy that George Adell absolutely idolized and on top of that like the next movie that they send this poor girl to is the KN of the Iguana that John Houston directed so I mean you just have like this whole insane thing around Alita alone where the star is raped itās
Even rumored you know in the gossip coms at the time that Harris is sexually engaged with this 16-year-old girl when heās like in his mid 30s nobody says anything about this and this went on for several months and there were indications that Peter sers might even have been involved in you know this
Insanity too so this stuff was you know I mean itās not even like that hidden and this is the whole thing so crazy because if you donāt study it youāll you donāt see it and you just think this is a natural progression of human culture thatās what you think but what you donāt
Understand is thereās this hidden hand trying to get people to act in ways that they can point to and go look at this crazy unsafe person you need us to help you with that itās nuts itās all nuts right now it is all nuts itās all nuts I I canāt believe
Itās like it just shocks me it just really shocks me so I know we donāt have you for much longer uh I want to go you you brought something earlier that I donāt really what were some uh you brought up Watergate do you have anything about the nine in the JFK
Assassination oh yeah yeah yeah so um in that case uh you had the oswalds living with uh Ruth Forbes Payne and Michael Payne and um Michael Payne was the son if I remember correctly of one of the people who was involved in the channeling of the nine and then his
Stepfather was Arthur young who was another guy deeply involved in the channeling of the nine and who had worked with Pew har closely uh for quite a few years and then on top of that too the uh the Riley coffee company that Oswald worked with work for uh in the
Lup to the assassination the guy who owned that actually had uh some connections to Morris Allen who was the guy who ran project art and choke um so yeah you know you have Oswald living with the son of one of the people who channeled the nine you have him working
For a company tied into artichoke which puhar was uh actively engaged in so and again it shows up and like that the psychological implications of the JFK assassination which is like what and some anniversaries coming up right now unbelievable dude well those are like real I mean when you look at with JFK
And Watergate I mean those are really the two pivotal events right cuz I mean look at what they did that the perception of the American government I mean up to that point you know we pretty much universally trusted our government and believed in it and just the the
Shock of those two events permanently changed the society on so many levels well I I agree and that is the George Bush death cult that steps in and takes over the US government with the help of these Nazi [ __ ] with which George Bushās dad funded in the like dude itās
All dark arts itās all dark arts thatās what people donāt understand itās all done none of this is natural none of this is Just Happening by chance it is all done by an invisible hand of dark arts and itās just ridiculous I mean itās just crazy dude and like why
Wouldnāt serial killers be any different what I what I canāt wait is no not that canāt wait but I canāt episode 10,000 of 10f and we find out that they were using project something for the smash Shooters oh dude and itās just a matter of like I
Know that know I want to know what the project is itās not going to be project MK Ultra itās not going to be project arti of Choke itās going to be a new name and they use they use social media somehow and Iām just like theyāre doing
It right now if they did it before theyāre doing it now theyāre finding way truth be told I mean a lot of this stuff probably isnāt even done by the government anymore I would suspect this kind of stuff now is probably carried out by these private military companies
I mean I think it was like Eric Prince more or less got like Dewey oh God the CIA station Chief in turkey and um Italy during the years of lead I canāt remember his name now but he basically was the guy who managed the ciaās like unofficial death squad uh for a couple
Of decades and then it was basically turned over to Eric Prince I think around like 2004 2005 oh God Eric Prince thatās the name we havenāt heard for a while which makes me very [ __ ] nervous that we havenāt heard from him and all his shady [ __ ] what heās up to
But I mean when you look at a group like d core where itās like you know on top of everything else that theyāre engaged in theyāre also heavily uh implicated in trafficking human trafficking sex slaves all this stuff in the Balkans uh during the coso conflict so I
Mean you know this is 20 years ago I mean God only knows what some of these companies have gotten up to in the intern and itās not even a Freedom of Information Act in this case itās so crazy dude itās so itās just like I dude
I honestly believe if none of this if there wasnāt this small broken dangerous nasty dark arts worshipping occultists Sorcerers who run the world we wouldnāt be going we would have so less chaos in our life I mean they they have every moment of our data down
To a te they know if they do this this will happen if they do that that will happen and they just keep inflicting chaos and itās just like Iām just sad dude Iām just sad dude sad sad times itās crazy man you got me thinking how
They have everything to like oh if we tell them that we bombed the hospital in Gaza this is how theyāre going to react and then they do and theyāre like look perfect it worked exactly how AI told us Johnny did say it man heās like Iām you know keeping himself out of this
And itās just itās so easy easy to be let around by your nose right now you know when itās so emotional I just like that you know so we got a house speaker now that just happened the first thing they do is pass yeah I was gonna say did
We get a house Speaker yet yeah we just got it some dude no oneās heard of and the first thing he does is passes a a a bill or an act that gives open Ed Military Support to Israel itās like here we are guys CNN calls him a key
Figure in failed efforts to overturn the 2020 election sure they love that you got to love the irony now that weāre giving extensive Military Support on the one hand to um Hardline Zionist on the other hand to um Ukrainian fascists yeah I I mean like there you go nonlinear Warfare
We like we uh we play all the sides not just one side all the sides all the time thatās how we do it and I Iām sorry this might upset people but I believe Israel is the 51st state itās not another country is the 51st state and they just
Want you mean that literally when you say that I really honestly do believe that I mean itās called the state of Israel because itās a nation state you know itās like itās itās a ethnic like you know a group identity of you know
The Israelis right I I I I I I I hear that I think itās the 51st St yeah I mean that would have to our government works on the principle that you know we have these things written down somewhere you donāt well I I mean I okay Johnny
What are you basing that I mean we literally you feel like that or you heard that what you basing that Iām basing that off on my instincts okay so itās not real well no I mean I thought you maybe itās somebody had had found some papers or something but I mean they
Wouldnāt they wouldnāt react like that to anybody else Iām tell itās so much like it is so much like Alaska to me geopolitical what about Taiwan that is that is maybe but the geopolitical position of Alaska to to Russia I can thed Russia from my house right the good
Old days and then what Israel is is the same thing maybe Taiwan is that as well I donāt know I think they would give away Alaska before they would give away Israel but Iām not 100% 100% [ __ ] thatād be crazy if yeah I think itās easier actually Sam that itās
Not a state because they can do all this [ __ ] off the books if it was a state but Iām saying is it literally yeah well I just asked you is it literally and you said well I mean it is I do believe it is but itās off the books thatās not so
Not literally but like effectively it is okay effectively is the word thatās what I believe all right all right all right all right weāve gone far enough uh recluse would you like to give uh one more time tell them where they can find you anything you want to
Push yeah I as I said before Iām the longtime curator of the Visa blog uh which you can find pretty basic Google search with v IU uh I am the host of The Farm podcast I got a free show out once a week every Monday and then Iāve also got additional
Ones for subscribers on the patreon found that under the farm podcast Mack 2 and any kind of uh decent search engine and I am the author of three books the most recent one that I have relied upon heavily for this presentation which is the art the secret history of SAR cons
Spirit tainment and the shattering of reality and uh you also there find a lot of stuff on uh the origins of this predictive modeling with data mining that Samās been talking about which actually also goes back to Edward Lansdale like many other of the great evils that we are confronted with in the
21st century and I was frankly shocked to find that out as well but no the figure within arpa who was directing uh the use of the early internet and counterinsurgency was actually reporting to Edward Lansdale throughout this whole time frame and not anybody in arpa so besides trying to convince Filipino
Villagers that they are being assaulted by vampires he was also the Visionary behind using computers for data mining and counterinsurgency so there you go Ed you were all over the place well we always love talking to you you crushed it even when you allowed us
To go on our weird tangents it was still a great great episode as always with you so thankful you come on guys again check out my go my Indiegogo for the the new comic book uh the chaos twins okay weāre very excited about that we get enough
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VI Biden 36% say they would support Trump and then you have RFK Jr and Cornell West at 134% respectively so Biden 37 Trump 36 I donāt know anybody whoās Pro Biden I just like I I question any of that dude I know but how many of those people are are out there talking
About it you know what I mean itās just something you kind of just I just donāt buy that at all I know plenty of people like I know most most of the people I know back home are going to be voting for bid I just like like my friends from
High school that arenāt that political and donāt arenāt informed like Iām not voting for Trump and then I I go maybe we deserve World War II maybe we deser deserve our Empire to crumble because we are such an un not that Trump is the answer but itās not Biden nothing good
Has happened and if you just and itās like my problem when the Republicans voted Bush after he lied us into Iraq crazy itās like you get what you deserve and I 100% believe that you know what weāve done to the Middle East is maybe why all this chaos is going on in this
Country it is a spiritual blowback for genocide of an area spiritual blowback thatās funny thatās a good thatās a good way to put that thatās 100% right thatās my opinion I wanted to uh Piers Morgan had this guy on the other day called Bassam Yousef and this guy Bassam Yousef just
Kind of destroyed Pierce Morgan oh Johnny it was the best thing it is what comedy is meant to be yeah it it was the some of the best comedy in the form of satire that Iāve seen in a long time itās what the Daily Show used to do
Before it completely sold its soul and did you see John Stewart lost his show did he well they say he quit but the writing was on the wall there wasting oh there was hardly any good writing on that show I but I to be serious Bassam about this tonight there I will be
Serious no I I I I will be serious I was watching your interview with Ben Shapiro and Iāll will tell you one thing I think that Ben Shapiro is one of the smartest people who ever walk this Earth heās very very smart I follow him and I
Believe everything he said and when he came out on your show his solution was and I quote his solution was that the solution for this is for Israel to Annex Gaza and to kill as many son of [ __ ] as possible to make sure that this will never happen again and anyone anyone who
Call for a ceasefire will be a terrorist sympathizer so God forbid I donāt want to be labeled as a terror sympathizer so I agree with Ben shapir I think we should should kill as many son of [ __ ] as possible so far so far 3,500 people were killed
Including 5,000 son of [ __ ] in the bombing of the Baptist uh uh hospital as we speak right now onethird of those 3,500 were children so my question to Ben Shapiro is how many more son of [ __ ] do we need to kill so Ben Shapiro is happy because it changes
Fromang Iām sorry that pleas Iām Iām Iām Iām really at a disadvantage here Iām looking at a camera I donāt see you I can hear you on my the reason Iām interrupting is I think you might be I think I think youāre conflating different interviews with Ben Shapiro he
Didnāt use the phrase sons of [ __ ] with me let me play to you what he actually said he did he did go back go back to your interview he didnāt that was another interview but let me play what he said to me here well I frankly I donāt believe in
Proportionate response to terrorism I believe the way you stop teror have noticed that Ben proo has disappeared in the like heās not popping off right now because he has done more damage than good and theyāve told him shut the [ __ ] up you think so oh dude he was making
Dumb comment posting dumb [ __ ] after and now you donāt see his own people are like bro you are going way too hard and like this guy is the epitome of internet trolls little tiny weak [ __ ] okay who are who act tough and wonāt fight the fight that heās begging for right now
Yeah yeah I mean you say that but calling him a troll is really misrepresents what he is kind of because I mean this is a thought leader I mean there are a lot of people who line up behind this guy dude he he is a puppet heās a controlled opposition
Guy it is amazing though how many people like support you know and kind of tow the line with him you know letās kind of line up behind him rather with wild disproportionate response that doesnāt mean in terms of targeting civilians means in terms of killing as many terrorists as humanly possible and
Allowing them to dictate the terms of Engagement by hiding behind civilians in areas that that they are supposedly responsible for means that the only option for Israel is to surrender to hamasās hatred of its own citizens its willingness to use its own children as human Shields no
No itās so funny because history will look so nasty on Ben Shapiroās talking right now because what heās talking about the narrative is already dying on that itās already dying now not everyoneās going to buy into it because you have these insane human beings who like are are so
Like this has Ben Shapiroās maskoff moment and maybe heās always been this guy but all the credit he earned okay for for for for uh being anti-woke is has all just evaporated itās gone even Matt Walsh is asking question questions and heās like as Christian as you get
And heās like how come nobodyās trying to pump the brakes on World War II and how come nobodyās talking about any I mean Matt Walsh is and weāve had weāve discussed our opinions on Matt Walsh we donāt always agree with him and cace Parker same thing cace Parker cace Owens
Cace Owens yeah is way I mean like I I mean Iād love to know what cace Parker I donāt necessarily agree with her on everything but man when I agree with her on most of it and sheās really articulate sheās spatting like 70% for me sheās been 80 for me she got two
Things wrong for me but thatās fine and like I donāt agree with anybody I donāt like I donāt like her approach sometimes sheās a little I didnāt like how she handed the Crowder situation that was wrong and that like getting in personal like talk about his divor I feel like
You donāt need to do that because nobodyās perfect and I just I disagree with her on making of a murder but thatās fine I mean those arenāt really the worst things ever um but even sheās like whoa whoa whoa everybodyās anti-semetic now now for not wanting
World War III sheās 100% saying that and I totally agree with her and I think heās I think heās just losing it and he lost all credibility and heās such a tiny tiny man heās a tiny tiny man he he sounds like he has the balls of a
Teenager like that havenāt even dropped he what do you mean heās talk smack smack and heās still not in his real fighting at when Ben Shapiro and his entire family including his children and I donāt like bringing but he wants you to see hereās the problem John I can do
More here thatās what he thinks yeah thatās exactly what heās going to say but that doesnāt mean anything to me because you need to show us what how much youāre willing to here as the head of Israeli propaganda 100% And I hate bringing peopleās kids in and uh I donāt
Want anything bad to happen to anybodyās kids but if youāre willing to send everybodyās children to die for this cause your family first thatās my opinion your family first then country you know so thatās my opinion I just get could ever do that now that is sign substantively different
To what you said he said right heās talking there specifically about age with him I agree I I I agree with him the the thing is the question is what is a proportionate response because it has been different from one tier to other so if you look to this graph for example
This is the death of Israeli and Palestinians and itās changing from one year to year itās like fluctuating like crypto so my question is to today what is the going rate today for human lives I mean 2014 was a great year for Ben chapiro 88 Israelis were died and there was
2329 Palestinians killed on the other side that is one Israeli for 27 uh Palestinian that is a very good exchange rate what Iām saying is what is the exchange rate today hey guys real quick I want to tell you about a couple things you can find on the website sam.com itās everything
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