This audio program is presented by n Times magazine from n times.com n yourself can only be found underr wonderful wonderful so share with us I understand that you have something there um that you would like to say before we get into the information so uh feel free
To um go ahead and and present that for us thank you I I basically I just want to you know in advance just thank you again um and all the listeners that have tuned in and that will be tuning in I thank you as well there’s a million
Things other things you could be doing uh but I also want to give thanks to energy which is my name for God and our ancestors uh for without them we would not know who we are know where we come from and also give thanks to all the African centered Scholars whose
Shoulders I stand on and our future um the youth who will continue to work in liberating the African diaspora from the effects of globalwide Supremacy enabling us to reform back to uh self-reliance and Independence it’s my hope this evening all the attendance will do as historian lelt Middleton suggests uh
Which is to sharpen your eyes and tune your ears so you’ll know what you see and understand what you hear and with that I’d like to also start out with this poem uh it’s called transition 13 and you’ll hear me refer to a couple of historians that I consider jnas and
Not mentors and that’s we’ll get into that a little bit but uh there are jnas of mine that I I uh proudly stand on their shoulders and have done a uh followed a lot of their work and this one poem is in uh this historian’s name
Is Anthony Browder and one of his books it’s called transition 133 and it’s very short I’m just going to read it to you real quick um it goes like this um we knew not we studied we learned all there was to know and we taught others then we
Forgot what we had learned and then we forgot that we had forgotten now we’re taught by those who were once taught by us knowledge that we already had so we study we learn all there is to know and we teach others will we forget again so this is just a poem called
Transition 13 and I think that that’s uh I think it’s with singly metaphoric for how we’re living right now absolutely yeah yeah absolutely I love that thank you um for blessing us with that um so I guess we can just start at the beginning
Okay uh um as a former member of um a Fraternal Order or secret society however you like to refer to it Eternal order of men um how did you first become aware that something was not quite right and and how did that factor into your starting your current move towards opening the
Eyes of our people by way of your website and other projects um well let me just be clear one is that um there’s there’s different kinds of organizations there’s secret societies and then there’s societies of Secrets and that I don’t it can get confusing cuz some people think everything you know is conspiracy
Illuminati but BL you know like and to some degree that is true but there’s also organizations where you know secrets that are societies um I mean so societies that hold Secrets rather uh those are usually organizations that may be a little harder to get into um I
Pledged I pledged a one of the what they call the black Greek lettered organizations of Fraternity in college Alpha F Alpha uh in 91 and um it’s not I wouldn’t consider it being like you know the elite of these secret societies or societies that behold Secrets it’s more so that
Tier of you know it’s a lineage of uh I guess if you’re worthy then you get to graduate to the next level or the higher level and that’s where you’re getting into the Masonic level or even the level of Boule or even more dly uh your
Illuminati but um I did not really know of these things uh not until seven years in of being in a eternity and I want to pay homage to a brother by the name of um Steven kley uh who for his for his work in exposing the Boule um I went to
See him uh at a lecture and I think it was 97 96 and that was when my whole Foundation was just destroyed because I was that guy that was in the fraternity that loved my fraternity um for the so so I thought blatant African symbols but
In doing my research I learned that they actually were not African as far as the lineage is concerned or where the respect is given it’s actually pointed towards Greece but you know it’s not something they blatantly teach us but in doing that and learning about this
History I realized that I was at a Crossroads I could either negate or actually act like I didn’t hear the information that kley had presented and I’m not want to just take something that someone says and just regurgitate it I’ll go and do my due diligence and do
The research myself and confirm or come back with a rebuttal um but it moved me so that it made me realize that I was compelled to do additional research for myself and before I could say anything to anyone else find out for sure how I felt about it and in doing that research
I started to learn so many other things and it started to really draw the correlation of what transition 13 really is when we’re talking about uh historian George GM James wrote stolen Legacy who who’s written the infamous quote uh Greek mythology of stolen African history history and when I started
Learning about that that’s when it started clicking like okay not only can I just indulge and and digest this information for myself but I have to share this with others so coincidentally I was also writing and beginning my well no by then I was about the fifth year of
My magazine it started in 93 so it it just coincided that okay this is the vehicle you’re going to use to uh get this information out and create this Con uh this uh conversation right well I’m am glad that you you chose to share that um because I
I believe that there are many who receive this information and they they hold it um you know private and in in some cases as you mentioned choose not to um not to share it to just ignore it and to go on with uh you know what they are currently doing because it’s it’s
Easier uh when you talk about receiving this type of of uh information it changes you it changes your thinking and it changes your your actions and so it it takes a certain amount of boldness to be able to do that and to sign on uh to something like this
And dedicate you know your life to it so I am I am most moved by you know you having the fortitude to shed um those things that you pledged B bond to and to speak truth to what these societies are doing uh in and our community do you
Find others who have traveled this road uh as receptive to your position on uh these societies uh I get more um well let me just say this first too is that um the the kind the the amount of information that um is out there uh you know I would
Say that let let me just give this analogy in kimet um or ancient Egypt which is you know the original name is kimet um it was known that you know ignorance is a sin but in the Western World in today’s world ignorance is bliss and I’ll say that and I’ll venture
To say that majority of people that are in fraternities sororities uh masonry so on and so forth are not entirely clear or have been exposed to the thorough or the other side the type of information that we’re revealing this evening um and so when they do hear it when they when
They are confronted with it obviously and even I went was like that a little bit it was emotional because I thought wow one number one I can’t believe this is true number two I never heard of this in information throughout my pledge process and membership in the fraternity
I’ve never heard of any affiliation with the Boule never heard of the word Boule never knew anything about the connection to masonry or even Global wide Supremacy this isn’t something that they teach in fraternities and sorties so I’ll give them that pardon however uh in being an
Intellectual person and being as WB de coin these people as the talent in tent it’s your responsibility to be kind of knowledgeable about what you’re involved in um and so when I I come across people that I get more support from those that are in fraternities and sorties but
Don’t want to come out outwardly and say that they you know are against it I have I have had a couple of people that have been uh you know as adamant about you know breaking their affiliation uh have uh giving me information the wealth of information about what they know about
Their uh fraternities in particularly like uh the breakdown of their Shields and symbolisms and and rituals so there are those that are out there um I’m hoping that they will there will be more I’m I’m projecting there will be more it’s just a matter of removing the emotion behind it and understanding that
These organizations are older
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