Stories like this across Reddit and various other places have shown the eroding and decay of what many people deem to be the fraternity or Brotherhood of the military which is known as the chief petty officer mess of the United States Navy there is no other branch
That has a mess like this or has this fraternity Brotherhood of this style from the ranks of E7 E8 E9 and we have seen even the master chief pays for the Navy the most Senior Chief Petty Officer of the entire Navy trying to steer this ship around 180° as he released several
Memos and letters trying to culture change as much as possible as he’s seen from the top down that this is not a good look but let’s go to the Post that’s over on Reddit right now that has essentially blown up everywhere from Instagram Facebook freaking read it
Everywhere else as people are like this isn’t right now I have to disclaimer before I even discuss this I’ve have not been through cheap season so I can’t talk on rules regulations things like that to that specification but I will speak in generality of the military and policies which would supersede anything
That this actually goes against already this was two days ago from Haze and abuse usn obviously trying to use a fake name here they say throw away although I realize anyone passingly familiar with my story will recognize me during Chief season of 2021 I received a phone call
From a friend who had seen my name come out on the selection board for direct commission my package originally put in February of 2021 was lost for the spring selection cycle and resubmitted for the fall this is something that I was aware of but had kept quiet throughout the
Season as I neither felt that nor wanted anyone to think I was less than fully committed I confided the news and one of my local Chiefs and asked them what I should do they asked me to trust the mess and to tell them thinking at worse
I would get some additional ribbing so I did I trusted the mess it should be noted here that essentially years and ages ago there was a huge culture of like if you were trying to become a commission officer that the chief’s mess was not going to m M with you and
Essentially at that point you could count your days as being numbered essentially until you would retire because you were never going to be made into a chief and you would always be known as that person that was trying to become an officer now in current day
Society that’s not so much but it is sad to see that there are people that I’ve personally known that have obviously tried to apply for commissioning as well that essentially have been told you’re not trying to be one of us so don’t even act like you are one of us and that’s
Been the single biggest mistake of my entire Naval career the season chair immediately wanted me pulled from season I was literally told you shouldn’t have told me I was stunned after weeks of pounding ideas of Honor courage and commitment into our heads I was explicitly told I should have lied and
Highly implied I was foolish for even daring to think I’d be allowed to finish season he took the decision back to her wider mess who had mixed reactions But ultimately did allow me to finish out the last week of my class I was shaken but thought the worst of it was behind
Me going into final week I was wrong so people that are not Navy I have to stress this that the stress she’s under is essentially being told yes you will Weare the rank and you will not be accepted to the mess or the Brotherhood that this is and essentially that she
Would be an E7 and not a chief petty officer and at that point that would make you indefinitely not effective as a leader and saying what if she didn’t make it through officer K school what if she didn’t make it through that training she would be stuck as an E7 and never be
Fully accepted into the officer World CU she never made it through officer candidate school but but also never be fully accepted inside the chief pety officer mess which is a huge deal I found out afterwards that even having an entire quotation final week is not the season standard and a number of Chiefs
At other commands I talked to afterwards were absolutely floored that events of final night would be spread out and padded across the entire an entire week but that’s what my local class face even now I can’t tell you what marching around carrying a 200 lb anchor as we moved from planned humiliation to
Planned humiliation has to do with Naval leadership what I can tell you however is that I was getting fewer than 3 hours of sleep per night spending most of it shivering in the cold and wet November weather as our mess really had not accounted for the difference in temperatures from August when season
Usually occurs I have to stress that final week or this final night that happens is a culmination of events that essentially is like the final exercise that would allow you to say you are a chief you’re accepted and you made it through it’s like a battle stations per
Se uh for people that have not been through or The Crucible for people Marines for example trying to give that stress of what this means exactly and when she talks about the mess being done in a season of August versus November that’s because when Co happened everything pretty much shifted as far as
Results go so I believe as 2021 was the first year that everything happened kind of in this November time period And they called it the winter Chiefs mess and they even joked with memes that winter is coming of talking about how like be prepared for this and I do remember
Specifically in my own anecdote evidence that I did have Chiefs that said they couldn’t do certain things because of the cold weather because they did acclimate or understand that that the season was not going to happen during that time so I don’t want to say this
Was across the entire mess but this is her individual anecdotal story I can also tell you they took a certain amount of Twisted joy in quotations testing the blood Trader that was planning to go over to quotations the dark side PL events that were uniform for the rest of
My classmates had special little things interjected just for me does that sound a little bit like hazing like not everyone was treated the same you were singled out almost like most chief petty officers would have been trained on hazing and harassment type issues as they’ve gone through various trainings
Through season previously and probably have had to deal with certain C circumstances like this as well I find that crazy and on Friday November 19th 2021 the final day before pinning they successfully broke me I can’t really say specifically what did it as there were so many contributing factors that night
We had been kept up until 2 after 2: a.m. and had to get back up at 5:00 a.m. there was the overall physical fatigue from marching miles and running obstacle courses and a million other smaller events but the thing that really pushed me over the edge was that in 50° weather
They had us take the plunge in quotations to turn our whites khaki and when I went into that cold water something in my mind simply unraveled it’s difficult for me to describe even now I felt like I was floating and only partially in control of my body I could
Not stop shivering the few who would talk to me afterwards told me I was acting and saying things completely like myself at some point I remember wandering around the field we were running obstacles on and just desperately trying to convey that I needed to go to the hospital dozens of
Genuines came up to me trying to figure out what was wrong including the chair and co-chair something in my mind had shattered and I couldn’t vocalize it and here I am a person that’s worked in medical side of this I’m like these are I don’t know the entire list of things
That somebody could have experienced having hypothermia which could actually throw somebody into arhythmia those are things that are in properly conducting the Beats of your heart that could kill you and let’s also not forget that only a couple years ago there was a death that did happen during the season that
Essentially made a lot of you push the braks and say we need to re-evaluate this and understand what is the purpose of initiation and getting people to become chief petty officers through this 6- week process she says instead of help I was told if I went to the hospital I
Wouldn’t be able to finish I wouldn’t be able to be quotations accepted to my fragment in mind the thought of not being quotations accepted by the people who are literally keeping me and my class in a fenced compound with our car keys and cell phones confiscated controlling contact with our family
Members was the most terrifying Prospect I had ever heard in my life I can already tell you this this is opening a can of worms of people that could attest to this and show neglect of their duties to report for healthc care of individuals that they were directly
Observing where I’m like this is now 2 years from now and essentially I don’t know what’s going to happen with this part of the story but I will say if there’s enough eyes to let this Chiefs mess crack under an IG investigation I would be very surprised if everybody didn’t have conflicting overlapping
Stories and if the Chiefs mask would really be that strong to sh be quiet so I pushed forward later into the night as it was getting dark we were made to crawl through freezing mud blindfolded and bust to different location a trailer was set up there with audio loudly
Piping quotations boots by Rudyard Kipling specifically the 1915 record of the poem that is used for a psychological effect during sear School sear school by the way is survival evade resist escape this is like what SEALs Pilots certain people go through this is a school that they go through in order
To make sure they have the skills to adapt if they were ever captured as prisoners of War and the instructors are trained as they have left and right low limits of what they can and cannot apply and obviously every bit of risk analysis is applied as they do this as their
Daily job not once a year rotating leadership that is randomly selected on Who Wants to be the chief that leads the Chiefs right there is a lot of things that could have gone wrong we were sat in the trailer blindfolded listening to the dark for how long I can’t say though
Based on the length of the recording I estimated over half an hour I wish to State this more plainly after witnessing someone in severe mental distress it was more important to continue quotation seasonal tradition and stick a selecte blindfolded in the dark to experience something specifically designed for psychological torture with no oversight
Stands a single Corman that would later describe themselves as quotations not a mental health professional listen to a poem about military men going mad over and over and over yeah you’re not a mental health professional but you are a mental health Advocate you are a health
Care Advocate you are a person that is supposed to also annotate signs and symptoms when you say maybe this person should be prompted or pushed up to a higher Echelon of care here where that is the Corman from this verbiage here or from this post saying they were they
Corman coverage to make sure none of this stuff would happen but that person didn’t say whoa whoa whoa I as a positional Authority can veto things or say I don’t care what season is going on right now they are going to the hospital and I would say that is pure neglect
From the standpoint of a medical professional and that’s whether you are the E1 Hospital Corman all the way up to an E9 Hospital Corman or anybody that is in a health care setting that is this role or responsibility when my turn had finally come to face the court to be
Accepted I was turned around and forced outside multiple times each time becoming more unstable and uncertain as what I was supposed to do the region Chief was there and my season chair I rate that I had quotations disrespected him and the co-chair for walking away from him during the throws of my
Delirium made a point of threatening they would find a way to strip away my commission I didn’t know what I was supposed to say or do was I supposed to to act as their peer I thought season was about being the chief at this point I was having difficulty even standing in
One spot without swaying I still could not stop shivering hours later trying to push my way through my mental fog was taking a huge amount of energy the chief I confided my commissioning news was there and came outside to tell me I still had to go through the process to
The end it’s still a ceremony and that’s when it clicked in my head what they wanted graveling that it turns out is the core of what season was really about it wasn’t actually about building myself to be a better leader it wasn’t about leading to see myself as the person in a
Room that needs to make a decision and it certainly wasn’t about being able to trust the people that are putting me through all of this it about C toing to egos that felt they had crossed the finish line and that anyone who hadn’t needed to be punished for it it’s about
This fatigued rotten core of perpetuating psychological abuse to justify that it had to be done to you because what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger I was finally quotations accepted after I had sufficiently gotten back on script I would later find out that the senior list leader of my unit
Had a choice words as continuing to throw me back outside in my current state which was likely the largest factor in them deciding to stop we were taken back to the compound where unknown to me my orders expired at midnight that was a key development because if you
Thought the story was over it is unfortunately just the beginning for me you guys must understand this orders are over is saying she is a reservist meaning that she was activated on active duty orders to partake in the season and that essentially after those orders have expired she’s no longer eligible for
Care or things that might come afterwards as a line of duty and that will come further in this because I’m just seeing that a lot of people are trying to cover this up possibly or I could infer to that or speculate on that because of what does unfold stay tuned
That night I could get myself to fall asleep I laid on my cot with swirling thoughts unable to hear my own internal monologue a single thought surfaced through my miasma of confusion is this what it feels like to die I went over to the mail tent and had someone who was
Still awake from our Fleet Marine Force classmate I described him what I was experiencing he told me I should go to the hospital the next day as there really wasn’t anything he could do in the field though he did give me a benad dril that mercifully brought me to sleep
The following day as he packed out and got ready for the ceremony I realized quickly that a few hours of sleep had not undone the damage of the previous day my thoughts were still fragmented my balance was still questionable and I was trying my best not to appear for lack of
Better term crazy one of my classmates realized I was still deeply off and drove me to the pinning ceremony when I realized I shouldn’t be operating a vehicle the second you don’t feel like you can safely operate a vehicle I’d be like there’s probably something medically and clinically wrong with you
That is not normal that is off that somebody should with a better mental capacity and knowledge of educated guesses or I should say theories and tests of things in science called medical school maybe a doctor might actually want to take a look at you and that’s because one bout of sleep would
Not get somebody out of the super of having hypothermia and the lasting effects who knows if the cot area she’s saying cot so I’m assuming these are like training areas that aren’t you know fully warm to their degree and the warming up process of having hypothermia can be quite extensive and you don’t
Want to go back into the cold after you’ve had this so this is quite scary that nobody was actually monitoring this somehow I pushed to the pitting ceremony without passing out or worse my parents got to see me to have all the pride at their daughter making Chief it all felt
Hollow meaningless to me afterwards my husband and some friends had driven out to celebrate went to dinner during the dinner I had a bizarre disassociation while holding up a spoon hearing the voices in my head of quotations where’s your spoon the practice of us having to hold up the utensil to quotation
Spoonfed during season started having chest pains I thought I was having a heart attack my husband and one of our friends rushed me to the hospital nearby do you guys remember the beginning of this video where I said that anybody that is having a heat stress injury
Having a hypothermia heat or cold can obviously go into arrhythmias that could be Cardiac Arrest could be in other variable arrhythmias that essentially could have killed her and this could have been it the hospital gave me a clean physical bill of health but couldn’t account for my mental state they recognized I was
Severely fatigued and advised followed up with my regular doctor which I did later that week she ordered an MRI to ensure I had not had a stroke which also came back clean everything said I was healthy but my road to recovery was very slow I was given a twoe disability from
Work as my job was very mentally demanding I was barely in a state to take care of basic body fun functions let alone work my husband had to help bathe me the first few days as I could not stand long enough to do it myself I kept floating in and out of Lucidity
Slowly over time I returned to a functional if not fully normal state 3 weeks after Penning I went back to drill during it I was given a page 13 to signed by the medical Department saying that I was temporarily not physically qualified tnpq for reasons unrelated to
My military service I was confused and had nothing to do with my mental state the only reason I gone to the hospital that Saturday is because I literally could not on Friday my not being on orders was nothing but a technicality anybody that’s reservice has line of
Duty meaning if you are injured during your time of active service that’s on the Saturday Sunday that you are drilling that could be covered by the military now it is key that her orders ended at a specific time they did not have access to phones they didn’t have
Access to keys and she is now being told that whatever she endured would not be military Affiliated which essentially if she had any long lasting effects from this would not go in her military medical record which by the way she would be entitled to Veteran Affairs compensation if there were long lasting
Effects from the treatment which could be psychological from the phys physical which could be hypothermia all these other things they’re trying to legally get her to not be able to be entitled to any benefits for the suffering that she endured during chief petty officer season that technicality would become
One of the cornerstones of the unraveling of my career I was told to be evaluated by a psychologist for PTSD post traumatic stress disorder the irony of being asked to evaluate postra stressed order that apparently had Immaculate non-service related conception was not law on me I na ated
The clunky Reserve Tri here system around the holidays leading me to not getting an appointment until mid January of 2022 the provider naturally wanted several follow-ups in order to properly evaluate me she ultimately diagnosed me with anxiety and depression neither of which were really out of the norm for
How someone would react given the events that happened to me I was not prescribed anything and advised to seek therapy if I felt necessary I declined not because I felt that I didn’t need it but because I knew it would add additional delay to the process I know if you wanted Med you
Should advise or ask uh as a provider but also the patient could also ask that if that’s what they were looking for um again this is a very cute just Chief season it was you know six weeks or maybe that last final week as well where
They’re like maybe we don’t want to give meds I don’t know the thought process of the provider but I will say that like it is kind of on both you know no one’s going to force me and obviously there’s been a lot of people that have talked about having issues with medications
Just being thrown at them in the military health system so I think a lot of people are like uh do I or do I not give it in April of 2022 the medical office told me since I was diagnosed with anxiety I was being submitted for a
Medical review board to determine if I would be allowed to continue serving they did at least I can’t say this word to submitting the package as being service related weeks turned into months I kept a study back and forth with medical asking what they needed and filling paperwork between various
Provider offices in the Navy medical office they had a frustrating habit of waiting until I saw them in person to tell me that they had yet another piece of paperwork that required my signature I started asking over and over when I would hear back from the medical board
Orders came and went and I tried to submit for but was denied due to my status medical submitted my package to Bureau of medicine August of 2022 who found there was not enough evidence to prove that what had happened uh to me was service related I was not allowed to
Review the package prior to it being submitted and I don’t know if it contained a statement from the medical chief that oversaw season and was the one who had ordered me to have a psych eval to begin with I was offered the chance to appeal but why bother I had no
New information to offer the board I certainly didn’t think I would get written testimony from the witnesses of what happened to me and this would only add additional delay she was hazed and neglected during season was told it wasn’t during the time that she was on orders they tried to silence her through
That they then put up for a medical board to try and pretty much get rid of her and say you’re too broken for the military and then they were like well there’s not enough to say it’s service connected so they were going to screw over that way I just see this domino
Domino domino domino and essentially somebody’s got to step into try and advocate for this person the entire package had to be resubmitted again to bued apparently now as a quotations not a line of duty version this took an additional four months as apparently some system was down and I was assured
That there was no positive way to Simply mail the package which contained absolutely no new information from the first it finally went in January 202 three in February I received full medical clearance I finally felt relief maybe I would finally put this all behind me maybe I could finally
Commission I was wrong you have to understand that because of this delay or this block in her record she’s a reservist so if she wanted to go on active orders if she wanted to go commission if she wanted to do anything career-wise she was going to be hindered
Right and some people do like to activated orders because they do get uh Healthcare benefits during that time they also could get extra pay and things like that while they are trying to to rack up points in order to be able to retire so essentially she is being
Hindered entirely in this entire process and had no control over her career about that the process for my conditional release to make it through all the chops took another 3 months the officer quotation scrolling process put me past the date my original commission physical expired and apparently they ran out of
Quotas for fiscal year 23 so the earliest I could commission was now October of 2023 over 2 years after when I was selected I worked with my officer recruiter to then Ms again the third time in my career and worked through the additional paperwork they requested involving some other appointments I had
During my exam the provider told me that I would need another screening for having seen as psychologist back in March of 2022 a step I had originally taken to clear my mental health status and that brings me to now I still am not Commissioned I have full three years
Passed when I had begun the process of working with a recruiter and two years since the hospital visit caused by Chief season I am currently waiting for maps to clear me for military service despite bued already having done so and despite the fact I’m still currently serving to
Give you guys context for this a commissioning physical is good for 2 years so obviously by the time you do the commissioning physical you put all the paperwork in a package together to submit to a board that will convene to see who they want to select for commissioning that could be months maybe
A year whatever the case may be as you’re Gathering stuff together so essentially she had done all that did it and then now because it’s been too late that old commissioning physical is now invalid because it’s been greater than two years she was on that hole because
Of the Chief season all that she endured and now they’re saying she had to get another one but then again she’s on block again because she has to be told by MEPS to go back again to get all this other paperwork which all of that was linked to military service while she was
Already in but for some reason the way that the military Works essentially it’s like treating you as if you’re brand new through the system again and you’re going through Ms at 18 years old trying to lie and say nothing is wrong with you when reality the military knows damn
Well they know what’s wrong with you because it’s all in your record what is changing that you can’t serve as a chief petty officer right at a very high level of leadership that you can’t just cross over and say we’ve accepted you you’re part we already know that as long as you
Are not limited Duty you are brought over but instead they bring these people through the ringer on bureaucracy and she covers that further in this post the actions of the Chiefs M during my season cause irreparable damage to my career and not received an apology or even acknowledgement for what happened to me
And how it’s still affecting me to this day seeing a mental health provider can absolutely harm your career I was not prescribed medication was still submitted for an mm or mrr which has added literal years of delay to me being able to commission I’m already out
Nearly a full two years timing grade as an officer and over $10,000 in lost wages from missed orders and drill pay I would have received if I had commission while the root of this incident is the actions of Chief season much of the resulting delay is fundamentally broken in Labyrinth bureaucratic processes that
Clearly do not interface with each other the Navy complains about retention while actively making it difficult for people who want to stay to do so so why am I posting this now as part of having to redo my commissioning physical I had to go through yet another psychological
Scening for MEPS to understand the circumstances of the panic attack and my hospitalization two years ago because bued already having signed it off and me currently serving is apparently not sufficient when I explain Chief season in the leadup to this episode the provider asked me Point Blank quotations
From what you describe this sounds like hazing to me would you describe what you went through as hazing End quotes the conditioned part of me to protect the mess wanted to reflexively say no as we had reminded so many times of how what has happened to us was totally not
Hazing and how you should have um seen what it was like back in my day now that was hazing but I always knew it was a lie even as I was going through it and here was somebody or and here was someone that was actually qualified to evaluate the
Psychological distress that it caused me someone officially qualified to call this for what it was yes and it does appear that the people I would say that are appropriate chains of command or the people that should be having their Poli on this actually do and that is the
Master chief ped of the Navy that’s James Hony which has been in power for a little over the year uh and he’s talked about the difficulty of changing Chief culture and kind of making this more apparent I do want to see what the mass
P of the Navy is going to do because I cannot find that post anymore but essentially they had said we have emailed you or we have direct messaged you we are reaching out to try and fix this we’d like to hear more from you and
Try and correct this but I will say that what we are seeing here in my opinion is another continued eroding uh of the chief mess and what I want to say is I don’t think we’re going to see the same fraternity or Brotherhood that was seen
Back in the day or their good old boy club or whatever people want to call that um because whether people believe it or not the next generation is coming through and they are going to have the similar ideas of posting stuff across social media because they didn’t have
The voice or were strong enough to say it at the time that they could have in 2021 but they’re going to come back and regurgitate everything that happened and I do hope that there are people that are wearing an anchor right now that will advocate for the Sailor and a chief at
That that is I would say looking for help on multiple facets I would say administratively getting things back on track back for her career healthwise getting a lineup Duty which she does not mention that she ever got which means she could have paid for this stuff out
Of pocket as well as losing money which God I hope is not the case because I do believe that if you do endure some kind of illness or ailment or whatever that you do endure from active service should be treated and handled by a military provider or actually you know without
Enduring any form of cost but uh I think there were a lot of people here that could have stepped up and said a few things and didn’t and this is where we’re at but looks like people are taking this seriously I will do a followup on this story as I believe that
There’s a lot more that we could cover and learn from this but this is where I get to you guys in this long video what do you guys think about this topic and about Chief season because we know it’s coming again next August and we’ll see
What happens but as always if you guys like this channel hit me up over on Instagram Snapchat Twitter Tik Tok or down the comments below I love you guys I’ll see you next time
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