Nichol Kessinger “spiritual advisor” OTO sex cult?

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So but that’s about all I’ve got on my little list there Amber what you got you got anything you want to say you mean to start or just in general yeah I mean you know any shout outs or anything like that before we get rolling

In I think I just seen where uh Miss Alicia is in the house and we got a few more yes she is just hi to everybody oh you’re good I’m sorry it’s there’s that delay again but I’m gonna let you have at it for a minute and then

Say what you want to say and then we’ll get into it and go from there okay I just wanted to give a quick hi hello to everybody and thank you for joining our live we have um a pretty controversial topic that we’re going to cover tonight but we’ll get

Into that in a moment but I just wanted to take a moment and say hello hello hey done don’t get me to Laugh In My Mouth s Amber sorry no you’re good so uh amber do you want me to like just be blonde on here and ask you or

Just uh which way you want to go first you want to like uh uh do you want me to start yeah but uh I guess I should ask you this before we came on but you just want to kind of give me a cue which one to roll when to roll

It okay um sure I could definitely do that um we’re kind doing this fly of the pants you know kind of SE of the pants so uh bear with us this is our first time doing this particular type thing here so I’m gonna let Amber have the mic

And here we go all right so so um tonight’s topic that uh Wayne and I are going to talk with you guys about is the call that enk made to her spiritual advisor on the day thatw and the babies went missing um as you know we’ve all seen

All of the videos and read the discovery and you know sifted through the topics and I found that this topic in particular isn’t one that is really talked about very much so uh Wayne and I you know we kind of tossed it up in the air and said you know what let’s let’s

Talk about this so um looking at it looking at who she called okay it’s it’s bizarre that to say the least um so this person that she called her spiritual adviser is actually a known member of an Ault called oot okay so Wayne’s going to play a a

Short clip for you guys so that you can kind of get you know a feel a little bit on what they’re about and then we’re going to really dissect that and get into the nitty-gritty of it it gets very very interesting so if you want to play that you can go

Ahead okay let me say hello real quick hello summertime Sue thank you for being here hello Mr Robin Heather uh anybody that I missed if you just jumped on thank you for being here uh so you want me to go ahead and roll the video a little short clip you got it

Here we go guys this is Julie and today we will be looking into order temply orientis and what they stand for order temply orientis is a religious organization founded in the early 20th century by British occultist alista Crowley the group is based on a system of spiritual and magical practices that

Crowley referred to as Thelma theer is centered on the idea that individuals should strive to discover and follow their true will which is believed to be the ultimate purpose of human existence the Oto practices a variety of rituals and ceremonies that are designed to help members achieve this goal alista Crowley

Was born in 1875 and became interested in occultism as a young man he was a prolific writer and poet and his work on Magic and mysticism has had a lasting impact on Modern occultism Crowley founded the Oto in the early 20th century after being initiated into the group by its founder Cole

Kelner the Oto quickly became associated with Scandal and controversy due to Crowley’s flamboyant and often scandalous lifestyle he was known for his drug use sexual promiscuity and unconventional beliefs some critics have accused the group of engaging in ogs and other sexually explicit practices is Crowley himself wrote extensively about sexual magic and

The use of sex as a tool for Spiritual Development despite this Crowley continued to attract followers to the Oto and the group grew in popularity throughout the 20th century one of the key rituals of the ooto is the Gnostic Mass which is a form of the Christian Eucharist with a theic

Twist the mass includes elements of magic and mysticism and is designed to help members achieve a state of spiritual ecstasy controversy has followed the Otto throughout its history in the 1920s Crowley was accused of promoting homosexuality and was widely criticized by the press in the 1960s the group became associated with

The counterculture and was accused of promoting drug use and promiscuity some former members have accused the group of using mind control techniques and exploiting vulnerable individuals others have claimed that they were pressured into participating in sexually explicit rituals or that they were subject to physical or emotional abuse more recently the Oto

Has been criticized for its association with the far-right and white supremacist movements despite these controversies the Otto continues to exist today and has branches in many countries around the world the group is primarily made up of individuals who are interested in Magic mysticism and spirituality in recent years the Otto

Has attempted to distance itself from some of the more controversial aspects of Crowley’s teachings the group has placed a greater emphasis on promoting gender and Racial equality and has attempted to move away from some of the more extreme elements of Crowley’s philosophy while the Oto remains a controversial

Organization it has had a significant impact on the development of modern occultism and continues to attract followers today you are interested in Magic mysticism or spirituality the Oto offers a unique perspective on these subjects and is worth exploring further and that was it Miss Amber so I’m gonna let you uh take the

Lead on this one all right okay so um my opinion is that there is absolutely no doubt that CW is telling the truth when he stated that nk’s you know into some dark things um possibly Ault involvement I believe it would be very very easy to manipulate a

Man as suggestive and as compliant as CW I find it to be quite the strange coincidence that he has been stating that enk was in fact into some dark things um regardless if it was after his interactions with cherylyn cadle or not as many claim that he may have got the

Idea from her suggestions but the reality is that it has been noted as a fact that enk did call her spiritual advisor that day that is a fact and since that is a fact we cannot discredit that CW is saying about it nor brush it

Off as an idea that he got from kadle okay nk’s call wasn’t investigated enk had several glaring red flags and has zero pability this is just one of the several I don’t know countless things that should have been looked into more okay so the afternoon of the

Disappearances of uh s SW and the babies um at 2:26 p.m. NK called her spiritual advisor okay his name is Robert who’s age 73 he is a member of the Denver Lodge of Ordo temply or orientis Otto okay she was unaccounted for all day that day did not check into work and

At that 2:26 p.m. she placed two calls to this spiritual adviser Robert within 10 minutes of each other roughly then clocked out and left at 3 p.m. okay now quick disclaimer I just want to state that just because our friends are into something doesn’t always necessarily mean that we are however

This man is 73 years old 40 years her senior he is not her friend he is her spiritual advisor that makes things substantially different okay now why do we call why do we call people spiritual advisors what do they do a spiritual adviser is specifically trained to guide you so what is she

Being guided in let’s discuss it what does she need spiritual guidance with because he belongs to the Otto so what is what is he guiding her with okay let’s talk about what Otto is about um it is an occult secret society hermetic magical organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century and

It’s noted for its practic of Alistar Crowley Sex Magic through its membership and initiations um I want to quickly read you all an excerpt from the voice of London please please please excused uh excuse the you know the language here I there’s no real tful way to just trigger warning

Please okay woo okay it states quote a woman is impregnated at an altar another is participating in intercourse with the involvement of um menstrual blood some are adoring the phus the male is spitting saliva whilst mixing sexual fluids this is not a porno it is Ordo temply Orient antis a religious

Organization that practices the science of alist Crowley’s teachings and integrates his theories in their me membership process coidus is a controversial topic especially when practice in a group setting is this why OT temply orientis is cited a concerned over the practice of Sex Magic unquote so with that being said exactly

What was enk being advised with hell bizarre isn’t it so let’s talk about it let’s talk about it oh my God before you get any further Amber can I just jump in here real quick and say something you got it uh not that I want to interrupt you but all I can

Say is this this NK chick besides being just absolutely evil was absolutely into some really really really really freaky stuff I did not realize in depth of how much freaky stuff she was in until Miss Amber kind of sent me this information I mean I was

Aware of it but I hadn’t really looked into it as much as I had until I got all this other information from Amber and there’s a saying down here at least in the area I’m from when somebody’s like a little cuckoo or whatever you know that their cheese it’s kind of slid

Off the cracker what her whole it chees it slid off the cracker the cracker crumbled and everything that girl is nuts so uh I don’t know if something has to be connected with this and I don’t know how to word it perfectly or whatever whatever but she she had to

Have medicated Chris or gave him something some of this crazy crap she was in I mean when he he said over and over and over how many times about he doesn’t remember anything and when you start reading into some of the stuff that this girl was

Into and some of the stuff she’s done not to mention if you look at her past and some of the stuff she’s been arrested for U you’ll understand her a lot more and then you’ll understand a lot more that you she should have been been investigated a lot a lot more than

She was so that’s just my opinion on it I’m gonna let you have it Miss Amber but I wanted to throw that out there because uh that girl is nuts completely nuts I absolutely couldn’t agree with you more and see you know I find that people don’t really talk about this this

Aspect of the case um due to the mere fact that you know anything remotely close to like the Paranormal or anything that’s kind of on the fringes it’s automatically dismissed by a majority of people because it’s it’s really not something that is tangible or something

That is seen every day but the occult is a very very real thing and it’s just like the air we breathe just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean that it’s not there that it doesn’t exist you know um I found something else that was quite

Interesting um can you pull up slide one um the screenshot please um on the screen just want to you know let everyone kind of see what Wayne and I found um we thought this was incredibly interesting pardon sorry I said I’m sorry I didn’t mean to talk on you but I

Hope that’s this is all I received so I don’t know how much of it that you sent but this is all that I received okay make sure okay okay Mak sure you know that I hadn’t got any of in case drinks or something I was makinging sure so all

Right you’re good go ahead imagine imagine um this is uh another excerpt that I found from a user on Reddit uh it states uh I am an ex-member of the Oto Ordo temply orientis a cult order society which used to be strongly tied to Freemasonry but SE ated after it

Became a theic organization led by Alistair Crowley I used to be really into Crowley and was going through a strange time in my life so I sought out the Otto and was initiated almost a decade ago I was an initiate for several years but left after a series of events

Beginning with me discovering some extremely concerning documents showing that within their later degrees of the initiatory system there were signs of abuse of a kind I can’t put into less crft terms than experimentation on pregnant women and their fetuses what uh is this just a coincidence um if so what an oddly

Convenient coincidence it is I’m going to I’m going to repeat that last little pit there just just in case anyone didn’t hear that part there were signs of abuse of a kind I can’t put into less crft terms than experimentation on pregnant women and their fetuses

Wayne yes what do what do you think about that uh bluntly I think it’s absolutely no coincidence I mean I think it was so much say that her spiritual advisor probably should be investigated just as thoroughly as she should be because uh I mean you what you just read off and

Told everybody here is I mean it’s if you if you think that’s a coincidence considering what happened and exactly what happened to little baby Nico I mean it’s it’s disgusting to what it is and these people are out running around living a normal life and well I guess as

Normal as they can be and this needs to be investigated if if we can look into this stuff and see something’s terribly wrong and why it hasn’t and why it hasn’t been investigated more and more charges brought I don’t understand I don’t understand what we pay the FBI for

And the CBI for if they’re not gonna do their job you know what I mean it makes no sense to me I get furious when I think about it it’s ridiculous exactly and like you I couldn’t agree more I just you know the more I look into these things the

More you know terrifying everything becomes and you know I just I I I can’t even I can’t even believe that this was literally a fact to them you know and they they just looked over it and just swept it aside like oh she called her spiritual advisor

Okay next like wait wait a minute here um don’t like aren’t you g to look into that what do you mean spiritual advisor and what what are they talking about especially on the day that they went missing what you know like just I they dropped the ball so hard

Like there was so many different things that they needed to be looking at in this case and like I mean we I can’t I just I’m ready to rip my hair out um this is just one of the ones that was just the most brightly glaring red flag

To me because it’s right in your face and if you just do a little bit of walking around on Google and looking at you know the internet and what these things are actually saying about this order I’m like okay uh this is dark and then you know you go back to what Chris

Was saying like she was into some dark things and everybody’s discrediting him because you know unfortunately like he has given different stories and uh things of that nature but then sometimes you do have to take a look at what he’s saying and and consider he might be telling the truth

Because the more you dig and look into it these are very dark things this isn’t normal exactly very very very dark and very abnormal so another interesting thing I don’t know if everyone has like a you know a cell phone nearby them or in their hands or whatnot um I just want

Everybody to take a minute go on to Google I want you to type in alist Crowley manual click search then click images and just type in the comments what what’s the first thing you see I just I just W to I just want to see what everybody else is

Seeing yeah I mean it’s uh you know I can’t remember the girl’s name that that made the comment I think she worked with her or maybe she went to college with her or something but she had stated that like uh in an interview with someone and I want to say it with

Like Denver 7 I believe where I read it that that do some really really really really dark things I mean so bad that a friend of what eight to 10 12 years whatever their ever I can’t remember exactly how long their friendship was but like she just

Cut all TI me because it was like actually freaking that poor girl out you know yeah yep like Alistair Crowley I mean he’s just out there you know not to you know just put it in lack of better words but what images come up on Google when you type in aliser crley

Manual it’s his book covered depicting baffet right okay bear in mind who Alistar Crowley is to the Oto thalma so how can this woman carrying around crystals that supposedly promote wellness and yoga and getting spiritual guidance from someone in the ult that represents such demonic things right how does that

Like that’s her that’s who she’s getting spiritual guidance from yeah and I don’t really understand where they get the word spiritual I mean unless it’s a completely a dark Spirit you know nothing spiritual in the word in the form and I’m actually have ever heard of

Or talked about or believed in so uh it’s uh for them I don’t know I don’t even like I’m using the word spiritual I don’t know what what she considers spiritual or not but to me it was just completely unhanged and unethical I guess as the words I should say you know

I just find it a really bizarre coincidence I mean especially keeping in mind that it is a 100% fact that she did call the spiritual advisor twice starting at 2:26 PM that day um that’s a fact okay and it is a fact that he belongs to the Denver Lodge of

The OT like these are all facts these aren’t theories these are Ironclad facts um so I just wanted while your U sorry Amber I didn’t there’s that delay you getting me again um when you’ve been doing all this research on this how many how many people did you find associated with this

Particular group she was in or with her and this guy here her advisor how many do you know how many people was actually connected to him that she knew or whatever um I actually wasn’t able to get my hands on that type of information like everything that I’ve kind of um

Been researching about this at least to my knowledge and my findings I haven’t really been able to find many names um I’m not sure like I I understand that like fraternity ities and secret societies and things of that nature um aren’t really um advertised per se like

It’s like a it’s like um ask one to be one kind of um method to their system there so it’s it’s really difficult to find things like that um I’m definitely interested and I really want to look into it more but what I want to know everyone press one if you think Chris

Watts was being dishonest about enk being into dark things or press two if you think Chris Watts was absolutely telling the truth that NK was 100% into dark things so one if he’s lying two if he’s telling the truth I see a lot of twos yeah

Yep see guys it’s crazy you know things that are right in front of us you know in the findings the more you look into it the crazier it gets like it’s terrifying Wayne oh it is and and let me say this real quick just to throw this out there but um

Because uh Jody had made a comment down in the chat and and I’m not blaming Jody or anything like that saying about you know we’re really chatting that this isn’t true crime well actually this is true crime but you know everything that you discuss on a True Crime Channel or

Or narratives or theories um doesn’t have to be uh attached to a statute because Let’s uh you know let’s face it really this this whole case was based on the theory it wasn’t really based on the facts and I’m not being rude or disrespect respectful to Jody but I

Didn’t want them to think that I was ignoring their you know you know I didn’t want them to think I was ignoring their comment or anything I just wanted to kind of answer that real quick give you a breather maybe you wanted something to drink so I I agree what

You’re saying Jody and we all are respectful here and we can agree to disagree on things and we can agree to agree on things so my opinion this whole Cas was based on a theory though and sometimes you have to just discuss the most minute theories uh

And a lot of this stuff should have been looked at I think in my opinion and I think a lot of people here agree with me that it should have been looked at by all law enforcement involved because I don’t think it’s just a coincidence you know what I mean absolutely

Absolutely and Jody nobody say you gota go I didn’t mean that in any disrespectful way so uh no no reason to be sorry I just wanted to address the comment real quick that way nobody thought I was ignoring you or anybody else I’m trying to let Amber try to

Explain this because she’s a lot better explaining it than I am but uh you know I wanted to try to jump in there and at least address that one anyway yeah absolutely I mean we should what do you what do you feel like you know bringing someone up on panel what

You feel like doing yeah I mean we can I mean I don’t want anybody to feel like they’re not welcome here or anything like that or you know I seen the comment they said they’ll just go see you sorry but no don’t I don’t want anybody to feel like uh you know they’re

Sorry or they have to leave or anything so you I mean I want to I kind of wanted to just address that because I didn’t want them to think that I was avoiding the statement or their comment or you know what I mean so yeah absolutely I mean all opinions are welcome here

100% 100% yeah never get flamed or run off here for having an opinion I mean we may not be able to explain it in the best way because God knows I’m not the best at explaining certain things to where everybody might see it the same way I do the way Amber

Does or something like that but everybody as long as everybody’s respectful here and and polite and courteous I mean all opinions and uh you know anything like that is welcome here at any time absolutely you done with that little shot on the screen or you want me

To leave it up oh yes yes I’m done just wanted to make sure and just uh I’m gonna go ah and throw this up there real quick Miss Amber I mean we throw it back up there but if anybody wasn’t here earlier when I put it up

That way you can kind of explain this a little bit too okay yes uh oh showing up on my streamyard first okay there it is okay so this picture this is Alis Crowley just in case anyone didn’t know like who it was or kind of what he looks

Like or whatnot um this is who we were speaking of when we speak of um the uh OT okay um also just to get you guys opinions um you know there’s also talk of enk and her use of crystals um it was stated that there was

You know a stone or possibly a crystal that was found under Bella’s bed okay we don’t know for certain which of the two it was um so you know crystals aren’t necessarily evil however um they can be charged with your quote magical intentions and Ed to amplify your desires out into the

Universe calling everything back to you kind of like um tools for manifesting or grounding um right what what do you all think about a stone being left under Bella’s bed if per se it if it was a crystal you know it could have been baby Bella playing with a random Stone from

Outside or could it have been a crystal place there from NK and with that being said is anyone familiar with crystals and what they represent uh I know a little bit like I know crystals can be used for promoting Wellness but they can also be used for banishing depending on what intention

You put into them you know so I don’t know if anyone has any comments about that if anyone wants to hop up on panel uh about her spiritual advisor or that or crystals anything really absolutely so what I want to do here in a moment I’m going to take this

Uh creepy looking photo down oh know that one eye kind of looking at me the other ones yeah that’s kind of creepy and I want to drop the link down in chat I’m not going to be able to bring a lot of people on gu

Tonight guys I’m I want to try to bring few people on every time we’re here but I do realize it’s a work you know a work day for everyone and U you know I don’t want to like let it run on like we do on Friday nights because I mean the last

One was a little over five hours and we definitely can’t do that one tonight but I want to try to bring at least a few people on and kind of discussed this with me and Amber and kind of give us your opinion so uh I’m going to drop the link down in the

Chat and don’t get offended I just want to say really quick jod um this is 100% based on fact um it is in the discovery that enk did make two phone calls and it is a fact that she had stated it is her spiritual adviser I just wanted to clear

That I just had seen your comment but continue go ahead sorry you just wanted to address that no no I mean I I don’t want anybody to feel like their opinions not welcome here and I can’t say I mean I I get what they’re saying

Uh and maybe just because it you know it wasn’t brought up in his you know any of his court hearings or whatever doesn’t mean that it’s not a legal fact of this case you know what I mean there was a lot of stuff that wasn’t brought up at his

Sentencing or anything like that that was a 1,00% you know had uh something to do with this case and it was actually I think very pertinent information it should have been disc I don’t I mean it all boils down to that it should have never been closed this

Fast it should have never the plea deal should have never been altered that quickly you know what I mean and absolutely I think we all know why you know it all evolves around money but I’m going to drop the link there so uh I want to let everybody know if you decide

You want to come on with Amber and I you don’t have to turn the camera on you can be just like Amber there and just have your microphone on and uh don’t get upset with me if it’s something on your end with the internet I had a couple the

Other night that got upset because they couldn’t get on but it kept telling me their internet connection wasn’t stable so nothing I can do about that on my end but uh we’d love to have somebody come up here uh jump on here with Amber now I swear we won’t buy it

So and we don’t cast spells like ink we don’t have any any of that stuff going on so Hello Olivia come on now I got all these great people in here and I know the other night I had like so many people want to jump on here with us

And now it’s like I can’t get anybody to hit the link because it’s the beginning of the week everybody is tired yeah I mean it’s like everybody was asking let me get on let me get on let me get on let me you know and I’m like I

Can’t get one or two of you at a time and everybody’s like being shy tonight so I assure you um that if you’re not comfortable with just discussing is if you want to discuss anything openly on panel with us about NK or anything remotely attached to the case and NK I

Mean that I’m fine with that I’m sure Amber would be too so yeah Alicia said I will bite if you ask nicely SE that you gotta ask nicely though to ask Alicia [Laughter] so well look at here we got somebody that does want them so let’s just do

This hey well Aunt Diane how are you okay how are you oh well we’re just three ping a pod right now I had a bad day we had a nasty storm here well I guess the whole east coast and Gulf Coast one of my palm trees blew

Down I’m real upset about that and got a flood in front of the house just it sucks I understand I basically had to drive my boat to work this morning it has rained here for about 27 hours straight oh no so what do you think what do you

Think about all this stuff because let me go ahead and tell you real quickly that Amber absolutely far exceeding this particular I’m not excusing M Chris did but I’m not sure he did it all number one okay number two those Thrive patches had to have a lot of amphetamines in them but whatever

Um the sexy andanada gave him must have had some other drugs in there and I didn’t he was so used to he was just so happy to have someone paying so much attention to him that he um he was like devoted to her oh he was more he was severely

Devoted to that was uh yeah I mean it was it was it was crazy how how much control she had over him in that short amount of time right and what really gets me is now I’m hearing that maybe she was at the house

Um at his house when he was the baby he had the babysitter from the Lindstrom coming over right and she was there ordering pizza with them and stuff and I don’t know if I don’t know if the babysitter knew that he was going on a date maybe she just didn’t say

Anything it was just very weird if you listen to the interview with uh the L I think it was the lindstrom’s daughter right that was the babysitter yeah she was only 17 at the time yeah yeah I know she was really young and if you listen to that interview you could almost like

Hear it in her voice like she uh she had a lot more she wanted to say but I think she’s afraid to say it you know I could swear she said she ordered pizza she said how do you want your pizza Chris is not a sheep what do you think M

Amber yeah I did uh I listened to that interview and it does sound like she kind of makes a slip and says she you know it’s yeah that’s exactly also uh Chris clearly said she wasn’t supposed to be there yeah she wasn’t supposed to be there it

Couldn’t be shenan that’s her home and I don’t you know he also look said uh you know about when they were out at servy 319 is we had a rake we yeah he said we instead of she and shovels and everything I mean he did he clearly said we had a rake

So and a lot lot of people maybe haven’t sit down and just like listen to it if you listen to it like just on a open on a television or your laptop maybe you can’t hear as clearly as you do if you just put on a set of headphones and

Block out all external noise and you hear a lot more I never heard anything remotely that I thought he said we had a rake until I had headphones yep and I’m convinced he might be doing that to indirectly accidentally expose her because if he directly exposes her I

Have a feeling that his family and himself would be under threat he’s being told to shut up by somebody you know and um it’s just really upsetting I’m going to um that anybody is above the law like that you know right there’s a good comment there seed of change just stated

J said Nikki ask what pizza listen carefully it’s PL as day she says Nikki and he called Nikki not Nicole yes clearly called her Nikki yep oh somebody had to bring up this thing right here I thought we might make it through the night without that but oh

No oh I’m gonna I didn’t eat I’m gonna get sick goodness he she’s slimy absolutely uh I would say this that she had to severely medicate him to to find anything about that Brown bikini attracted so that’s just disgusting so but yeah I dropped the link down in

There somebody else wants to jump on well uh a SC Kim I’ve seen you and then I seen you leave and then I seen you come back and then I seen you leave Kim I don’t mind if you come up I got a few things to run the house I just felt

Bad that nobody was jumping up there but I wanted to ask those questions anyway I’ll be putting out a video this coming week I think okay hours two or three hours to make go a 20 minute video it’s great I know trust me I feel your

Pain all right well I’m gonna see if I can bring Kim on at Dian I appreciate you being here coming on p with us okay Al righty Kim come on up I I’ll uh give you the space all right thank you Diane have a good night and I’ll still be listening

Thank you both thank you how do I get out oh I got you let me Kim did it add you can you hear us I think I did I think we got you Kim hey hi Wayne hi hi um everybody hey you know I um looked into him years and years ago

Um and I’m going to tell you the reason that I did um okay my family well on my mother’s side I’ll put it this way on my mother’s side are all Masons right and it intrigued me as to where did this all begin and of course my uncle is 42nd degree which

Is right up there at the top um he’s also a millionaire because of it um but my grandfathers huh excuse me I said I’m I’m sorry I didn’t mean to interrupt you I said but maybe I’m in the wrong business no but it’s part of her Brotherhood and

That’s the way I look at it and your police officers are part of a Brotherhood your firemen are part of a Brotherhood not you per se okay Wayne don’t get me wrong please don’t yeah um sure but but it is true and I think Wayne can agree with that that there is

A Brotherhood and it’s in all law enforcement it’s in all law enforcement the CIA the FBI from the top down and right my um my own father was a Mason and he dropped out at third degree and the reason he dropped out at third degree was because they wanted to bring my

16-year-old brother in as a deay which is how they begin and for and for the women it’s Sunshine Girls that’s how they bring the young ladies in to become Eastern stars but way back I’m going to say at least eight years ago I started looking into um aliser Crowley and that man

Totally 100% scares me to death because everything that he says everything that I mean even if you stop and look at the Bilderberg Group um those people are part of that too and those people are they’re evil they’re very evil they’re very rich but they’re very evil

And if nobody believes what um T is telling us or Ashley I’m Sorry Miss oh no it’s it’s Amber but yeah you call me T you can call me T it’s fine but if nobody doesn’t believe what she’s saying and what she’s read to you you need to go read about this man

Because he is one of the most evil people in the world I will say this I do believe that those little girls never ever made it even back to their own house I believe that he went from the party to ank’s apartment and after she drugged him one way or the other however

She did it it could have been a glass of water like I said um that those girls were murdered and moved from there that what you Amber T I’ll just I’ll call you Canadian T and you just call me Southern t Okay um yeah I I I I somewhat agree I

I don’t think that the girls made it home either I think that um you know it’s really sad to talk about you know just picturing them poor oh but um you know I think after the birthday party I’m not sure what happened but um you know his phone didn’t connect to his

Home router until after 900 p.m. after 900 PM yes yeah so I think I think something happened that night with the two babies I really do um and that also kind of aligns with what I was thinking about him not having time the morning of to do all of the things that

Everybody thought that he did that morning there was just no time so yeah if it wasn’t somebody else that did it if he did do it if he did do it it had to have been after the birthday party right everybody in chat let me let me say this real quick to

Everybody in chat and people that’s just joining us or or hopefully we’ll have more joining us but I do understand it is a it is a week night but people there there’s a lot of channels out there that has covered this case from day one okay

And I understand that uh you know we’re a sper channel and I I get that and I hope we’ll continue to grow and I believe we will but it’s the little small details like this that I wanted this channel to be known for because a lot of people’s not discussing this a

Lot of people’s never even discussed this and I think every every bit of this kind of stuff no matter how small you think it is it plays a narrative in this whole deal and if you don’t look at all of the evidence and I mean every bit of

It then how can you build a successful prosecution or a successful defense if you don’t have all of the facts laid out in front of you and that no matter how small it is you’ve got to investigate every bit of it and that’s what I want

Us to be known for here and I think that’s what we’re known for already basically because we’re like reviewing stuff and talking about stuff that I haven’t seen any other channels talk about maybe because they’re afraid that they won’t get the views or whatever but I don’t mean that’s disrespectful to

Anybody in chat anybody that’s that’s viewing or whatever but it for for us here and and the team here it’s not about the views or whatever it’s about trying to make sense of this no matter how small the matter the subject matter is we want to discuss every bit of it so

I just wanted to clear that up quick in case anybody got confused out there that’s why we’re discussing the smallest things because that’s what we need to do right and to touch on what Kim said about um uh Kim said about feeling like you know the girls didn’t come home

Wasn’t it um now correct me if I’m wrong because my brain’s definitely not braining right now um but correct me if I’m wrong I’m I’m fairly certain that when SW asked him for a picture of the girls when they were you know uh getting ready for bed or was something along

Those lines um he had sent her a picture from earlier in that day right so that makes me think something was already done didn’t even really have to be that day it could have been one other day you know a week ago two weeks ago when or even

When they were in North Carolina it it didn’t matter the the ma What mattered was that she asked for that p as asked him for a picture and he sent her a picture she didn’t specify what day she didn’t specify anything at all I also think I also think you’re so

Correct T when you say or Wayne whoever whichever one said it that he didn’t have time to do what it took especially if a child gets up and walks in the room when you’re in the process of strangling your wife what do you do I mean you know you freak out and

You stop I would think but I think that’s why I think the girls were gone after the party at Ink’s apartment and enk and Jim did whatever they had to do in order to get those girls where they got them to which was the batteries and who would have known better than enk

Herself as to where to hide them number one number two you’re right he wouldn’t have had time if he if he um suffocated her in the bedroom and moved her but I honestly believe that she went out that back door sliding glass door there’s no other way

He he loaded up his truck and he left and there was nothing on the geotab to prove that there was any other weight any other seat belts any other anything turned on in that truck so that’s my that’s my opinion and I appreciate you letting me come on and

Say what I thought absolutely thank you for joining us I’m going to uh drop the link down if somebody else wants to come up thank you for joining us Kim I appreciate that you’re welcome have thank you so much I’ll be down there in chat bye bye okay thank you thanks

Kim granny uh granny T just posted up something Amber what do you think about that comment granny T says but the girls were found in pajamas so that makes me think they did go home that’s an excellent point that’s that’s what has me confused but then there’s an also um

There’s also another confusing part about that was that you know on you know one form it was stated you know the girls were wearing this this and this in another form it was stated the girls were wearing something completely different so that’s another confusing thing to me is like okay well what

Exactly were they wearing and you know it could have been possible maybe you know he if if if it did go down that way you know maybe he had a backpack of their belongings you know with extra jammies or extra pamper pull up you know little snacks or something in there like

Maybe he has one in his vehicle her vehicle we never know right the just in case parent parental bag exactly and and one thing I was was going to say Amber and and I haven’t even as far as I remember I haven’t even said this to you or any of the other

Mods but I’ve I’ve always thought in the back of my mind that uh that night after the birthday party of course he had a change of clothes with him and I think in my opinion and and I’m on to unless something proves me different and proves it my opinion wrong I’m probably going

To stick pretty firm on this until I find a reason not to but uh those those girls could have easily went to inks and and you know what I mean and what happened happened and they could have been you know they could have put their

Pajamas on there and went to bed and way I know what happened you know what I mean because it doesn’t it doesn’t show anywhere if you look up in the discovery or or any of the reports anywhere where Chris has phoned out or his wife showed any steps

You know and how how did he how was he able to walk up the steps and put those girls through a hatch that I have personally measured and say there’s no possible way they went through the hatch um but it makes sense if they did stay

At enk think about it enk are someone else because there had to be more than one person put those girls in those tanks absolutely and there’s a couple great points from chat uh Daisy’s mom said CW could have packed PJs because they were still wet from the party AB

Absolutely Heather said the babysitter said night gowns absolutely and uh Alicia said shanan was also found in different clothes as well absolutely excellent point guys excellent point if I remember correctly and you you you all gonna have to forgive me but if I remember correctly though what

Didn’t shenan come home and and what do you what do you ladies call those um what type of pants are those she was wearing like leggings like jean leggings jeggings women I should know what they’re called but you know uh but it’s like uh I when they were

Showing the clothes the next morning if you look at the body cam footage I didn’t see those leggings anywhere but we know she wasn’t found in those leggings also and think about this how I don’t want to go in too much depth here and too much detail

Because well I mean we’re all adults here so we’re fine but I don’t know many females that are pregnant that wear thong underwear and I don’t know too many women that go to bed with you know their bra for sure hell no she was found in

Both you know clear as clear as day in the evidence in the locker evidence locker and the dehumidifier that they were put in uh she was found with both so I mean I mean Amber would be a lot better at discussing that with you guys than me because I don’t wear either one

And so but I can assure you that uh I have been around my wife long enough especially when she was pregnant and I never that was like the first thing she took off when she got home not to be too graphic was I mean the bra had to go and 100%

100% And I can assure you she didn’t wear any thong underwear when she was pregnant so you know um I mean I have to agree with you there I don’t know what what anyone else’s opinions are I know everyone is different like not to be TMI so like I

Apologize if this offends anyone but I mean that’s the first thing I do when I get home is take off uncomfortable things and even clothes I don’t wear jeans at my house like when I come home I call I call them house clothes right like when I come home I put on

Comfortable clothes uh pajamas like I just I call them house clothes like when I put those on that means I’m checked out I’m done for the day when the Brock comes off sorry not going anywhere I’m I’m not wearing those things in the comfort of my own home and I I’m fairly

You know confident and speaking for a majority of of females bras are uncomfortable nobody wants to you know if we accidentally fall asleep like say we we knotted off on the sofa wearing one okay that’s you know that’s something different that’s not something that you want to wear to bed so whenw was

Found just the fact that you know he’s claiming that you know it you know she was laying down kind of thing like that’s that doesn’t you know the math ain’t mathing there either no you know I knew you would be able to speak to this a lot more than I could because

I have absolutely no clue I don’t want to pretend like I know just because I got daughters and a wife I don’t pretend to know but I do know that much I do know that much because it’s like the door is not even shut yet and my wife is

Like shooting that thing like a slingshot I gotta get out of this thing so no way she’s gonna sleep in it you know what I mean so I mean it just it doesn’t make sense and every I’ve heard people say like when she came in they thought she was like immediately and I

Know we’ve kind of got off sideways a little bit from ink and the whole spiritual thing but you know this to me this is this kind of has a lot to do with it too because I think enk had him so out of his mind on something I

Honestly don’t think he knows what happened fully and I don’t think when shenan hit that door and when that door closed from that moment on she or Chris neither one really knew what happened and and I still say that she went out one of the basement windows most

Particularly the one with the little Mickey Mouse or Minnie Mouse over the excuse me over the window but you know that’s for another video but there’s a reason why those dogs hit so strongly so many times down in the basement yeah there’s just so many I’m going to drop the link down

There again somebody’s going to come up here en join me and Miss Amber because uh everybody’s had great points tonight and I’m actually learning something absolutely like it’s just so it’s just unbelievable to me how many inconsistencies there are you know and you know I’m going to have to I’m

Going to have to send you an email um on uh this one video that I had seen from a previous case that was um handled in Colorado Okay um the H you know they just they’re just quick to hurry up and get a conviction really and you know um I won’t say too

Much about that case now because I mean we can discuss that say maybe like on a Sunday or something but um this this particular case was also in Colorado was um also the same da and um this person you know un alived their partner and said partner

Was sought to be in one of three open Graves that were getting ready for upcoming bar and you know necro search had offered to you know search them for free free of charge and the da basically the whole thing was shut down and it was like no

This is this is not in our budget well wait a minute didn’t necr search just state that they were going to do it free of charge but see that’s the DA’s style they don’t want to investigate they don’t want to do their jobs they just want a quick conviction get it over

With wipe their hands boom done you know and then he also did an interview and I’m if I’m not mistaken it was on his wife’s crime podcast okay think about that one um on her I think it was on her crime podcast where he had him himself had stated I

Wish you know don’t don’t quote me verbatim but he basically said you you know he wishes people behind their computer screens would stop trying to play detective um you know what’s you know their job is their job and they know how to do their job oh do you that’s why

This case the wats case is still being under such scrutiny and picked apart so much because no no you’re not doing your job because if you were doing your job there wouldn’t be so many loose ends and there wouldn’t be so many discrep and there wouldn’t be you know

So much crap and you know he also stated in that same podcast that you know I’ve received thousands of emails saying that I need to investigate NK well she doesn’t have anything to do with you know anything are you kidding right you know

Just yeah so um I I think I I think I need to send you that video that will blow your mind he’s saying all of these things yeah send that to me because like you just said everybody somebody just made a a spooky Fox they really hate anyone who has questions

About the case exactly if you guys will all look in and I’m not I’m saying before August 13 2018 okay before this case happened look into da roor in his past okay you don’t have to search very hard so I assure you that I’m not going

To throw all that out here on this live but just look into it and look how much Shady stuff is attached to that man before during and now after so you know anad Darko threw a lot of money you know when he was uh back up for running you know for d8

So there’s just there’s too many loopholes associated with this for or the legal side of it the judicial side of it the people that are supposed to prosecute crime and keep stuff like this from happening that are involved period there I said it and that’s probably going to like be all over

YouTube tonight and I’m probably gonna get flamed a million times but I said it I stick by it and I firmly believe a lot of people in Well County are tied to this financially which to me makes them just as guilty as whoever took the life

Out of those people you know out of shenan the girls CCE Bella Nico it doesn’t matter to me if they were actually there or not had their hands on them or anything like that if they even took any type of dirt what I say dirty money they’re just as guilty you know

Wayne can you pin uh Donna’s comment she said I really hope a new DA is elected who will investigate NK amen okay because if he’s if he’s elected for for like another four I’m not sure with American stuff but if he’s elected for another four like really

Really I hope somebody new gets in there and I hope whoever does get in there listens to people and listens to everyone’s genuine concern because this isn’t like some kind of hoopla you know everybody trying to play detective no no there is giant holes in this this

Is a problem this isn’t you know as he States a Witch Hunt no no no this is a problem and I certainly hope somebody new would actually listen to everyone cuz it doesn’t matter what channel is doing it you know who’s speaking on the channel the fact of the matter here is

We’re all working towards the same goal yes the same goal is this case is closed it is not solved by a long shot by a long shot you know it’s like we look at and not to get off on other cases because the there going to

Be cases that we’re going to look at in the future you know but let’s let’s just look for a minute at say the jod Aras case okay that case was investigated it was proven it was solved it was closed okay and we all knew from the get-go that that girl was a lunatic

A psycho to me she’s like a little bit older version of enk okay and all all of the medical records all of the autopsy records the photos and everything of poor Travis is available okay just like Nicole Brown Simpson all of hers are available okay and everything surrounding this case

Right here hello s welcome everything around this case is one big secret and usually when people are trying to keep something that quiet and Under Wraps that much there’s a reason why you know and absolutely this case has excuse the southern terminology but this case has stunk to [ __ ] from day

One I don’t how I don’t know how it’s to wait you know phrase it or whatever so I’m just going to use some Southern slang there it’s just it’s it’s horrible and and you know OJ we w’t to get into that what I think about him but you know

Look look at the investigation that went into that case look at the investigation that went into jod look at the investigation that went and I you know even though you know and I’ve got a lot of people that get mad at me when I say

This and don’t agree with me on this but if you look at some of the similarities between this case and the Lacy Peterson case I don’t honestly think the Lacy Peterson case was completely solved either because I’m not saying Scott’s not where he should be either I’m not saying that

I don’t want anybody to get mad at me but if you look at like the robbery going on across the street which was clearly evident but that was never investigated that was kind of hush hush and a lot of the similarities between that case and the watchs case it’s just

If you read both of them read the discoveries of both of them and just watch the trial and everything you can about it the similarities between both cases are striking so absolutely agreed you know it’s just it’s crazy to see you know cases that happen like that

And it’s crazy to see you know the powers that be move their moves and do the things that they do it’s just it’s unimaginable it’s unimaginable you know everything it’s like it’s a it’s a game basically you know it’s it’s we’re all pawns we’re all

Pawns and there there is no oh my God I I could go on for days about the judicial system like it’s just it’s absolute you know flaming dumpster all of it it’s just flaming dumpster but yeah basically oh go ahead I’ve never never studied a lot of the uh

You know your your country’s laws I have it compared to you know ours but you know I’ve been asked by so many people why I you know went to school for Law and studied law if I’m not going to be an attorney will that I’ve already went

Into into that so we won’t get into it but you know what the main reason was to protect my rights and and help people protect their rights but when you start looking at the way our judicial system in this country is handled in this case is a

Primary perfect example of it is you should never allow money to get in between the legal system the judicial system at all there’s no place for it just like there’s no place for in my opinion that the judicial system has any place being in the medical field but yet

We see it creep in there and it’s I don’t agree with it at all absolutely it’s I get mad every time I sit here and think about it because at the end of the day we’re all here sitting here talking about it for a reason right trying to make sense out of

It trying to make sense out of this girl and you know this freaky stuff right here you know um and what she was into and what she wasn’t into and all that good stuff but then we you try to make sense of other things that’s associated with this case

That doesn’t make sense but it all boils back down to one thing and that’s enk was let off the hook way too easy and she wasn’t investigated and it until I honestly believe I’ve been asked so many times just on lives and I’ve been asking emails do I think enk will

Ever be brought to Justice I think she will just because truly do you truly believe that do you think it would take a um a new DA to be elected for her to be brought in well uh that and or you know a federal prosecutor to have that

You know I get excuse the language but you know to have the balls to grab a hold of it and prosecute the case because children involved so that gives the FBI jurisdiction you know so I really I really do but whether whether or not it’s I’ll say it on here because

I don’t want to like go against YouTube’s policies or whatever but whether she gets Justice served to her by the judicial system or should we say you know jail housee Justice one way or another Justice is going to find its way to her so I fully believe that spooky Fox s

Uh and she was allowed to make a complete mockery of the Colorado justice system I couldn’t agree more I really couldn’t absolutely and laughed about it you know what’s so bad is a lot of people said they haven’t seen it but you know the day that Chris was being led

Into court you know for the she was standing there in the crowd she was there at the courthouse I don’t see this any day I read that and oh man I’m gonna have to I’m gonna have to rewatch all of the videos because I read that and I was like wait a

Minute Denver 7 had it up on their YouTube channel and the last time I looked it was still there but that’s been a while but you can clearly see it when they swoop the camera around Inc standing over there against the wall like I guess it would be to the right

Side of the doors that Chris went through you can see her up against the wall and she’s just got like this spooky almost like little grin on their face you know it’s like oh yeah you know we got you buddy you know how they can’t go back and look at

Stuff like that and see that they failed because at the end of the day I don’t see how cam Le or coder or roor or I mean I know what they’re doing they’re seeing the money but how they cannot feel horrible because those little girls Nico and

Shenan is never going to rest peace to until Justice iserve and I know we’ve talked about that a bunch on here already on this channel but that’s what it all boils back down to that’s why we’re talking about it because justice has not been served in this case at all

And it’s like the little things like you brought up tonight which was fantastic you know all this stuff with this creepy stuff that enk was involved in it needs to be investigated fully you know completely absolutely absolutely and you know it it kind of it just makes my skin crawl when

You know people you know in positions of power like that you know it’s it’s like they believe that they’re the end all be all and that you know if they slam a book closed on something we are all supposed to be sheep sheeple and you know just accept the

Fact that oh okay well because he’s in a position of power and he says so therefore it is the truth well no no not all not all authority equals truth you know sorry Miss Amber I was saying hello to Mr Ronnie he’s in there with us so I wanted speak hi Ronnie

Welcome he saw enk when he was walking out of the courtroom there’s a lot of people that saw our Mr Ronnie and you know uh I w’t be careful what I won’t say on here because I don’t want to make anybody mad but I I just pray to God for

You guys every day that they do the right thing and they go after that witch so amen amen and that’s that’s what we’re here trying to do is you know keeping this case relevant because we absolutely and I I can well we I can speak for

Myself um when I say that I 100% believe that she absolutely absolutely without a question or a shadow of a doubt had a hand in this and I believe a multitude of other things as well um she she needs she needs to be in jail period She needs to be under the

Dirt that’s under the dirt that’s under the jail yes absolutely you know I I don’t want to use and and Mr Ronnie’s still in here I’m pretty sure he’s familiar with this and I know Kim and some other people that’s from the south and I told you this little

Saying uh not long ago Amber and I’m gonna say it again uh but uh you know ink is like that little white Speck on top of chicken poop you know that little white specks chicken poop too so you know and it’s uh it’s disgusting that because I honestly fully believe 1,00%

That had it not been for her that none of that I there there’s no way and I I will never ever ever claim like even though some people think that Ronnie’s my uncle and Chris is my cousin I will never get on here and claim that

I know them personally that I know Chris personally but I’ve watched enough on Chris and seen how he is I don’t think it was with within his being at all and you can tell by his parents that they didn’t raise him to be that way

Um that he he could even do any of this now he might have been manipulated into or drugged into saying he done it you know what am I making sense I’m trying to be cautious about no you do you do make sense and that uh also touches on

The clip that we showed at the beginning of this um where they’re explaining kind of about the occult that enk is into it’s stated in that clip that they touch on mind control okay they touch on drug use promiscuity they touch on so many things

There so just jumped out at me because I remember CW stating um that he felt as if something had control of him or that you know he was like not really aware so I’m I’m trying to think about all of these things that he’s stating and him saying

That she was into dark things and then comparing that to the findings where she did in fact make two calls to a spiritual advisor and that spiritual advisor is in fact a part of the occult and researching The Occult they are in fact into some dark things and the math

Is mathing okay yeah and a lot of people need to understand that like I stated earlier these type of things cannot be discredited just because they aren’t tangible or they aren’t something that happens every day like I said it’s just like the air we breathe just because you

Can’t see it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist it is very much a possibility that we all need to really take a look at exactly and I I want to touch on this comment real quick Amber Heather just said Ronnie and candy are victims too beautiful people and did in no way

Deserve the treatment they received amen amen and I will stand till the day that I die supporting Ronnie and Cindy and a lot of people don’t understand that but I don’t understand how a lot of people don’t see that there’s two families involved here and uh you know if they

Want to be angry with me and say things about me trust me it took me a little over two years before I really got the nerve up to come on here and do this and and and I thought well if I’m you know why not what’s wrong with with speaking

The truth and and or what you think’s the truth and showing support to good people you know because I don’t mean any disrespect to Ronnie and Cindy when I say this but Chris is a grown ass man excuse my language he’s a grown man okay and in no

Way shape or form does what any of Chris’s actions should reflect on Ronnie and Cindy at all because exactly know the old saying goes when you was a child you act like a child but when you became a man you put all child away things yeah you put away child things and that’s

Just uh it just disgusts me to see how people want to attack that family and for what reason you know I mean I’ll probably get a hundred more emails or not telling me that I’m wrong well all I can say send me a 100 more emails

Telling me I’m wrong but I’m still going to stand 100% I mean that’s that’s the thing go ahead I’m sorry sorry I didn’t mean to cut you off there I just I have to I have to agree with you because I mean everybody really think think about Wayne what Wayne’s saying here you

Know I okay for for myself for an example the way that I was raised I was raised you know by a wonderful parent who drilled into me morals values principles I know right from wrong 1,000% however no matter the beautiful way that I was raised I’m an adult so if

I woke up in the morning and decided hm today’s the day and I run off and pull a massive bank heist for example that should not have any bearing on how I was raised on my family um my family shouldn’t be targeted because of my choice okay so when

People in this you know uh crime world you know crime talk world you know they they just jump on this side picking and and you can’t do that you have to be 100% trans transparent and you have to be 100% fair and unbiased and you have to realize

Hey both families are victims here you have to support both you know both lost both are are victims both are you know trying to grieve and process and figure out the wise in the house it’s not just one am don’t let step on you here for a

Second but I want to address this real quick and this goes for a YouTube channel or whatever you are keeping eyes peeled we will not tolerate that here okay you can come in here and can be respectful but we’re not GNA come in here and ask Ronnie and

Cindy some absurd questions like that you’re not going to do it on my channel whether you get offended or not that’s not going to happen that’s the last thing that man needs to be asked and for you to come in here and ask something like that is complete garbage bye don’t

Come back please police fact I’m ping to make sure you don’t come back because I’m going to ban you I don’t appreciate that I’m sure he doesn’t appreciate being asked something like that and it’s not gonna happen here bye Felicia oh I must have missed it oh dear well oh dear

Coming here for their son’s address so they can send them some stuff no oh dear no sorry I might be overreacting on that but that just made my blood boil that’s not gonna happen here oh dear yeah you don’t do that here I’m sorry anybody keep it we got to keep it respectful

Guys so you know no no comments like that please please no comments like that especially you know not with them not with them seeing obviously that they were here you know that’s that’s a good reason why Ronnie and Cindy don’t like doing stuff like this because they have

To deal with stuff like that send them good wishes send them blessings send them your prayers or whatever don’t come in here and ask them stuff like that you know yeah no not here sorry guys I didn’t mean to get upset but I I have never walked up and met that man

And Miss Cindy in person but I will defend them to my fullest all I can right here you know what I’m saying I’m not gonna let it happen on my channel it’s not gonna happen I may be overreacting but I don’t think so no it’s all right it’s all wa

We’re we’re all passionate about about the same thing so we all get it here we’re all Spam Jam here it’s okay oh yeah it just I mean I seen one of my other mods jump in there and handle it but I wanted to address it too

Because the end of the day you know the channel is registered to me and I just it just hit me when I read it you know it’s that’s CRA and I went back before I got into didn’t look to see if they had said anything else and they

Didn’t they that that was all they said yeah yeah sorry it’s okay no you know what some people some people don’t you know they don’t know but now you know we got to keep the comments here respectful to to both families you know and um anything basically that you

Wouldn’t want to be asked don’t ask it you know with all with all respect Mr Ronnie I greatly appreciate you being here sir and I hope you and Miss Cindy are well I can assure you everybody here in this channel I try to keep it uh respectful and it’s G to be

Respectful they’re not going to be here and uh for you guys just to be here I consider that a blessing and I just don’t think you should be asked stuff like that so you know that’s why I done it and we and we’re all glad you’re here amen

Absolutely and uh it’s just it’s disgusting to me that of all the things we’ve talked about tonight that somebody would get in here and do that and not to keep harping on it and harping on it but they could have come in here and because we we’ve discussed this right here and we

Discussed the evil human being that that enk is herself and I know as a father myself regardless of the fact of what Chris might be charged with what Chris might be accused of what Chris might you know what I’m saying at the end of the day that’s still their son you know

Absolutely thank you very much bless your heart I greatly appreciate that um you guys are fantastic I I’m never going to get on here and ask anybody uh for money but for you guys to to throw those Super Chat and stickers and all that stuff out here is just

Fantastic and that’s why I think this channel here will continue to grow because we got good people here and we don’t allow any of that nasty stuff to creep in occasionally it does get here but we try to take care of it as quick as possible you know but that’s all

Right that’s why we have a team here working with us and quickly you know handle it as Cynthia Moon made a wonderful Point uh Cynthia stated respect the family they want the truth too it’s just as simple as that abs absolutely like and that’s the part that it’s like people really don’t understand

This like don’t you think that they have these same questions too and then you know people just you know it’s like they don’t get it and it’s like really put your put yourself in in this in this family shoes in both family shoes it’s like everyone is just like what happened

How does this happen how does this happen they have the same questions and you know everybody’s got to stop and really consider that sometimes absolutely thank you Heather thank you very much for that it’s very kind of you oh that’s beautiful guys thank you at the end of the

Day uh we can all come here and act like adults and show uh respect to both families and I’ve said it from day one that you know none of us here hate the RS um don’t wish any bad luck to but it’s just infuriating to see they’

Got all these other channels out there that just go out of their way to make everybody else’s life miserable if you even question the n and then you let somebody like Ronnie and Cindy ask a simple question they get crucified at the cross you know it’s I don’t get that

You know I don’t understand it at all and I said well if I’m going to make my channel what I want it to be then people are going to have to understand that there’s two families involved here there’s two sets of grandparents and two families are

Hurting and for one family to be put before the other one it just infuriates me I can’t stand it absolutely actually don’t talk about it anymore right now because I’ll get so mad I’ll punch the screen so you know and I’m not a violent person unless you push the wrong buttons

But when people come in there with that propaganda garbage that you know we’re victim bashing and victim blaming and doing all that stuff that’s absolutely ridiculous this is absolutely the most courteous respectful and I’m not saying it because it’s my channel I could step away right now and

Give full control to Amber and I guarantee you or give full control to Alicia any of my mods I could give full control to and I have nothing else to do with it and this channel would still run just like it is now so absolutely absolutely agreed and that’s

The way I want it to be you know and to me it’s it’s speaks a lot of volumes when as much as they’ve been attacked to where they’re able to go in or they actually feel safe coming here and to me I consider that hon you know that that

They feel safe in here to come in here and listen to us and all that and I’m glad they do because you know they love their son and I totally get that that’s always going to be their son and you know I I hope just a little small spec

Of respect Mak it from us them let them know they got people out here that stand behind them also you know absolutely and you know I think I can also speak for Wayne when I say you know from me all of the mods Wayne everybody here that that

You know comes here and interacts here that we all want this to be uh a safe space for everyone thought you know a safe space for you know the family to come a safe space for all viewers to come where you know different opinions can be shared where they won’t be

Scrutinized or you know mocked or called stupid people are free to come here and ask questions you know talk about things let’s talk about different theories because you know who knows someone might come up with something that none of us have heard before and think wow I need I

Need to do some research on that or I really need to read into that I mean I just my thing is the more we keep this case relevant and the more static we keep making hopefully someone new is voted in who will reopen and reinvestigate Miss Fancy Pants

NK all right I that’s that’s my goal that’s what I’m hoping for is keep pushing this you know keep pushing this and keep making noise until someone knew was voted in and you know we can we can get that goal and that’s that needs to be the goal and I’ve I’ve actually had

Some emails Amber I think I told you about a couple of them and I’ll let everybody else here know you know maybe like this specific topic we’re on tonight you know a lot of people say well you know that’s not really interesting or I don’t want to

Sit around and listen to it or whatever but you know you’re never going to get the views on your Channel these other channels are getting because they’re playing the I mean a lot of them play the same old videos it’s just a different Channel you know what I mean

But to me I’d rather have quality than I would quantity any day you know what I mean if that makes sense um yes because I mean to me quality is better than quantity any day if you got something that’s that needs to be looked at but

Then one Channel’s doing it but then you got all these other channels are just repeating the same thing the same thing over and over over and over and over I mean yeah you got a lot of quantity there but you don’t have a lot of quality because everybody’s not looking

At every aspect of the case and really that’s the way roor and all the other ones want it they don’t want anybody looking into it and I can assure you everybody that’s here right now let me just say this 17 18 days ago whatever it is I I’m sorry

My Math’s not mathing right now because my head’s hurting but I can assure you 17 18 days ago absolutely no idea what it was like to have a YouTube channel that discussed not just True Crime but this case here you know I had a very successful YouTube channel in the past

But it was nothing but drone videos and job sites that I went to and stuff like that but I can assure you that I have received more hate more foul language emails some of I I won’t even say some of the stuff that I was on here just

Because one even talking about the case and saying that I stand behind Ronnie and Cindy or two because I don’t agree with the narrative the theory that a lot of the other ons go with and I mean actually told me that they hope me and my family you know bur

You know what you know because for what reason why would you say that to people just because they want to be civil and get on here and talk about something you know no matter how small it is if it’s a clue if it’s got something with this

Case it needs to be talked about and that’s exactly what we’re what we’re going to continue to do um and to answer uh Cynthia Moon she said is there any significance in nk’s religion and August the 13th that’s an excellent question um all I’ve been able to find on that um

Unless I need to you know I I’ll look into it a little bit deeper but the only thing I’ve been able to actually find that correlates um was uh the Gnostic math August 13th um sometimes agnostic masks are held um or like initiations kind of thing like that’s

The only thing that I’ve really been able to find thus far it’s a secret society so like the type of things that they’re doing it’s kind of it’s hard to find so like I I hope that answers your question but yeah I I agree Wayne 100% you know people are just going to

People are just going to hate any any way they can and we won’t you know we won’t uh engage with that here this is a no hate Zone this is a no hate Zone it’s a no hate Zone I could have easily uploaded several emails tonight said look guys this what I’m dealing

With now you’ll see what I’m dealing with just some of the emails just a bare minimum but I don’t want to that level you know what I mean I would assume it be water under the bridge paying no attention and go on I don’t want nothing

To do with it because if you start feeding into it and they see that it bothers you they’re GNA keep doing it and doing it eventually it’s like you know a gat you just ignore it long enough it’s going to go off you know

Just go Let it go I don’t want and I I never thought in a million years that you know me personally that I would be attacked the way I am just for having an opinion and all of you great people that I’ve met especially you know the mods

That I talk to basically on a daily basis um you know we all pretty much on the same page and God knows I would never want any of you to get even close to any of the emails that I’ve got it’s hard I won’t even tell my

Wife anything about it because I don’t want her to worry you know I mean some of them been horrible but you know anybody can get on here and do that behind the keyboard um yeah I’ve invited them to a live and if that ain’t good enough I don’t have a

Problem meeting them in person we’ll discuss it over coffee but there’ll be a lot less threats if we do it that way I can assure you that oh uh beex Ryan made an interesting comment he said aliser Crowley followers celebrate his marriage to Rose on August the 12

It’s the marriage of the Beast and can include sacrifices wow wow interesting well that is you know pretty close to the 13th that’s very interesting well I got something to read this evening thank you beex I appreciate it I’m gonna check into that too that’s um that’s pretty

Interesting right I wouldn’t have known as much about this specific uh matter I guess is what I want to call it if I you know if it wasn’t for Amber I mean I had seen a lot of what you know what she was into or whatever but as far

As going this in depth into it I probably never would have if you hadn’t brought it up to me which is a failure on my part because it should be every bit of it should be investigated you know Donna stated beex that’s probably why she was looking up wedding dresses

Wow you guys are just fantastic like this is like these are all things I’m like it’s a possibility it is a possibility and like when it comes to this case specifically you have to always always always consider every single minuscule little detail and stop to consider just it’s just like air just

Because I can’t see it doesn’t mean that it’s doesn’t exist you have to consider all aspects I believe 100 1,000 1 millionth per I believe when CW said enk was into dark things her friends were into dark things I believe him I absolutely believe him 100% because the more you look into it

It’s like whoa I guess I can relate a lot to Chris because he and I you know in into a lot of the same things he’s a car guy I’m a car guy uh he had two daughters a son on the way I got two daughters I better not have a

Son on the way too old for that imagine but no I don’t imagine hush and uh so I I can see it and I I can relate to Chris in a lot of ways and I was I I can say this I was like I wish that I had

The type of relationship with my dad that Chris has with Ronnie you know you could you could see it just in what we’re allowed to see God knows how great it was when they were actually together but you know just what we’ve all seen here and I just I can’t

See Chris being that person not if Chris is completely not in his right state of mind not on any type of Devil’s breath or any of the other stuff that he had going on you know um I just I don’t see it and I and I’ll I’ll

Go to my grave believing firmly that Chris never laid a hand on either one of those girls period same same I have to agree no way I have to agree beex Ryan would you like to come up on chat with us would you like to come

Up on panel like he’s just coming with these interest interesting facts I’m dropping the link now so if anybody wants to join us uh we’re gonna try to let it run for about 30 more minutes guys because I know everybody’s got to work this is a work

Night and I don’t want to keep everybody up with one of those five hour lives again but we get into these and everything usually goes so smooth here that’s why five hours fows by we don’t even realize it so oh we got two awesome comments here um okay so beex Ryan said

I was shocked to see that there was some kind of public GE together for those types in that area on the Saturday before the night they had the babysitter whoa oh my God beex click click the link if you want to come up on panel oh Wayne read blackbird’s

Comment are you speaking of this one I’m trying to catch up but this one here um yep oh yeah just another nugget Ro’s wife was a previous sa victim the DA’s office prosecuted the perpetrator on her case yeah interesting very interesting and that’s the same wife’s podcast that I was

Listening to where he made the statements that I said earlier right o we o we it’s I think honestly if I think we could get a long ways I don’t when I say we I mean like the community supports finding the truth for this case if we could just get somebody

In that DA’s office up there or get a federal prosecutor with enough guts to grab a hold of and say yep we’re definitely gonna open this back up comment Wayne read Beck’s comment which one sorry I’m I’m trying to get them but oh my God he said it was the night

He said he wished he hadn’t gone oh my God Wayne I’m sorry I’m trying to get it but it’s like it’s this thing it’ll it I don’t know how it’s doing on year end but yeah there it is I’ll get like two or three of them then I’ll get 25 in a

Row and then I have to go search them oh I know it looks so it’s so frustrating beex by all means if you want to join us on panel you’re more than welcome to or anybody else but uh right now you’re uh you’re on fire so

We’d be uh delighted if you want to join us or anybody else because there’s just a lot of stuff evolving this m one topic right here that needs hopefully to God if another da steps in there that they’ll look into this and everything else attached to woman I mean

That I I would go as far to say that and I’ve been playing for when I say this but you know I would go as far to say that had this Chris not just plead and shut everything down and I get why he done it

You know I mean there was no doubt in my mind Chris loved his parents and he didn’t want to see his parents and family and all that go through a three four or five year process you know I I get get it but I honestly think there’s a

Possibility that there’d be a lot more people at least two and I’ve stated clearly who I think those two are that would be right there with the same exact sentence that Chris pled to and got if not the death penalty but we we all know nobody’s gonna be put to death in

Colorado so you know absolutely absolutely said I’m actually full of fear with this case I’m sorry I’m trying but talking lies make me freeze oh we completely understand uh I assure you 17 18 days ago uh yeah I was I froze a couple of times and I did last week too

But you know we we get it whenever you’re ready you’re more than welcome to jump on here and join us we’re going to be here for sure every Friday night at 7 and Tuesdays and we’re looking at another day so join us anytime in them days you’ll always get notifications when we’re

Going live so for sure guaranteed in stone We’ll Be Live every Friday night at 7 and I’m pretty sure it’s correct me if I’m wrong Amber but moving forward it’s every Tuesday also at seven right yep Tuesday at 7 uh Friday at 7 and Sunday at 7 yeah we definitely don’t want anybody

To feel uncomfortable here and I get it trust me if youve seen some of the emails I’ve got but I’m a grown man they don’t scare me you know anybody anything behind a keyboard I ain’t scared the keyboard that’s right uh Donna said yes he wished he had gone to the game

Exactly like that just like wow Wayne wow just think about it where we would be at right now had he went to that game could you imagine yeah I could because I a lot of people don’t understand when I say this but I have watched so much stuff not

Just on the case but just on Chris okay and I see the good in Chris I do me too long before this ever happened okay and people are basing so much stuff off of a theory an unsolved case and and plagiarism like k i to me Kad is just as

Dirty as enk is you know yeah think she is I would not throw I would not trust that woman any far and I could throw her I’d like to throw her up against a wall but I mean she just she really distorted so much yeah yeah and I mean you know you

Could see like and then the thing about it is is they knew proof that enk was researching them long before 2018 when she claimed okay why was a Google searches from 2017 mean and they knew that but instead of putting you know forth the effort oh

He’d play out you know we’ll just close it that’s not Justice that’s not how the justice system built you know and and actually the judge could have stepped up and said nope that’s not how it’s going to go as judicial officer he’s got full control over that case and he could have clearly

Said no we’re going to keep investigating this case because I don’t think he’s the only one involved but who’s to say that everybody didn’t get a little bit of money you know a little bit of payday absolutely don’t understand it I really don’t Alicia absolutely we’re gonna bring you on panel you

Ready I think she’s saying I’d come up is that what you mean Alicia you ready to come on panel with us uh oh sorry Amber I’m trying to catch up on comments I know I’m reading them too this is getting so interesting beex is just firing him off man he says he

Believes that there was a ritual began that night too this see what I’m saying like it’s like the more you look into things the more you find and the more you find the more things start to piece together and make sense like the math starts mathing

And things that you know are kind of um you know hard to believe start to actually look a little bit more like uh okay that uh actually sounds like it’s a possibility there you know the people the people that that do not want to look at what they claim

We’re doing here is a theory uh they prosecuted this case on a theory not on evidence you know and that’s sickening you’re right Wayne you know if we get in here and discuss this stuff on a theory right this isn’t a Judicial hearing we we’re entitled to discuss this as a theory you

Know as open and free discussion you know it’s it’s it’s it’s protected speech under the First Amendment you know I can’t make it any clearer in that and but the judicial system is not bound to those same rights as we are in a Judicial hearing I’m not saying the

Members of that judicial committees not of course they are they’re Bound by the same thing as we are in the Constitution but when it comes to a judicial hearing a proceeding it is not bound under the same laws that govern us under the Constitution it is to seek the truth

Find the truth no matter how much it hides from you you find the truth and you prosecute it that’s what it’s for and I’m a firm believer in it and and it just it really really really tears me up when people say oh well you’re just another one of them channels exploiting

The case for clicks and Views and all that stuff no no then they say the case is closed it’s solved no there’s a big difference between it being closed and solved and amen you know I think I know who sent those particular people to attack me and send me those messages that’s

Fine you know that’s that’s fine they can think what they want but the the end of the day Justice hasn’t been served there is another family Chris’s family that gets nowhere near the respect the appreciation the Gratitude I guess is what I should say for they they could have went off the

Wall and been awful horrible people the way they’ve been attacked and said all kind of stuff but you know they they chose to rise above with Grace you know and just not deal with it and they don’t get the the level of understanding that that they they

Deserve you know it could have you know Chris is literally any person in anywhere Chris Chris is your everyday guy I mean this this could have been anyone’s family yes exactly any any anybody because up until those charges were actually on Chris’s record you you wouldn’t find a more

Standup guy I think Miss Cindy clearly stated he had one speeding ticket his whole life the guy was as straight as an arrow you know what I mean exactly I know I’m going to get bashed when I say this but his downfall was when he when he

Metw I mean I’m I don’t mean to victim bash and say stuff like that but I mean that’s what changes Chris’s world that’s what changed his world all around I mean you know it did unfortunately and I hate that and I’m saying that it’s that it’s a shame that you know

That they moved off and did what they did and had a family because they had two beautiful kids out of it you know another one on the way and those kids had absolutely nothing to do with what happened but those if nobody wants to know the truth for any other reason

Those two baby girls and that little boy deserves to have the truth told complete truth not a theory not you know not what we’re dealing with now what is it going on six years now in this case is just relevant now as it was the day it happened and why because

Everybody can see it a lot of people can see it you know I mean even Frank said they want to know the truth but I know the truth and I’m taking it to my grave well I mean he’s all around just saying right there you know they want to know

The truth but they don’t know it I know it but I’m not gonna tell well it would be nice if if everyone involved can could know the truth and and lay down at night and be able to close their eyes without feeling Terror yes yeah and that’s I I get it

That that’s why a lot of channels went away you know I’ve personally been attacked by the RS you know by email but I mean I’m not worried about peon and peon Jr they don’t even want them scare me they want to meat and discuss it like

Me and we can do that I’m not going to hide behind a computer or a phone and send empty threats but you know I’m not I mean but but you made an excellent point Wayne when you said um when you were speaking about shenan and Chris like they both really are

Wonderful people it’s just they’re not they weren’t compatible that’s all at all at all it’s she stain his weakness and she manipulated him and she she absolutely got grabbed a hold of his weakness and used it to her Advantage I mean it’s very very relevant very very prevalent if you look at the

Videos of her just how she talked to him and then it took him wanting to leave before she realized that she was belittling him and realized that she might have been wrong well it’s too late then you know and I don’t blame him I don’t blame they should have gotten a

Divorce you know it’s unfortunate you know because you want want people to stay together and give it a try but at some at sometimes like at a point you just have to consider you know maybe a divorce would be for the greater good you know and that’s why I think

Something something else happened and I think I I personally think you know people might look at me like I’m nuts but I personally think that Chris I I think that Chris did not make that decision I’m sorry I I mean I just you know if he if he had a hand

In in what he was charged with then he’s where he belongs however right we do have to consider that maybe he’s just covering for somebody and because he’s as passive as he is that he doesn’t want to stir up Strife or put his family through anything and you know what I’m saying or

Maybe he is being truthful when he stated that he really can’t recall most of it that he feels like maybe he was there or maybe this happened it’s like he’s in a state of confusion like that also has to be considered as well exactly you know and I can see why

He probably wanted to try to hang out hang in there and stick with it and stick it out as long as he could because you you don’t want to feel like a failure especially in your marriage but sometimes you have to look at things and realize I’ve done everything I can

Do it’s just not going to work I can I I feel comfortable saying this and if it offends anybody I’m sorry I don’t think Chris would have ever went through a bankruptcy I don’t think Chris would have ever had any financial problems at all had he not mention in you

Cannot go around act like you have caviar and money when you’re living on beer and peanut money you know that makes sense and that’s what she tried to do and I never seen Chris trying to do that you know he had to sell off his stuff to try

To bail them out of debt every time because she wanted to present this certain kind of Lifestyle you know and I just you don’t you know she don’t ever catch any flag and if we bring that type of stuff up we’re victim bashing when we’re not we’re just talking facts you

Know no no we’re not victim we’re not victim bashing and I think you know on any live that we might have I’ll I’ll stand firm on this that you know we we never victim bash we just State our opinions and our theories and I’ll always stand behind this and say that no

Matter what happened no matter what the truth really is nobody deserved to die absolutely nobody did what happened was one million per wrong and there’s no excuse for it we’re just discussing what happened what was what was the dissolution of their marriage you know what was his undoing what was his

Unraveling how did this happen yeah you know and I think that’s what both families want to know as well yeah you know but you got one family that wants to know the complete truth and you got one side of the family who are put on a pedestal that claim they know the truth

But nobody will ever know it well why would you not want everybody to know it unless it might you know incriminate you in some way or something I mean it makes no sense to me you know I know if I was if I was Frank okay I just say that uh

I’m thankful I’m not but if I was prank I would want absolutely complete Justice for every member of my family I could not imagine something happened to one of my daughters and I don’t have any granddaughters right now but if I did that would just be even 10 times as

Worse I could I could only imagine because I don’t know I’m not a grandparent but there people also forget that same exact pain that Frank suffered and doesn’t want to get to the bottom of or understand is the exact same pain that Ronnie felt but it’s like it’s illegal for Ronnie to feel

It wrong and I I have a problem with that you know I have a major problem with that and I’m sorry if that offends anyone but I’m just being as honest as I can be I don’t think we would be sitting here discussing this I don’t think Chris

Would be where he’s at I don’t think Mr Ronnie and Miss Cindy would be in the position there in had they just Chris put his foot down and said look I’m not moving off I’m staying here I honest with him said well if you don’t move women we ain’t getting married

Then so be it you know Chris was a standup guy all the way up until all this stuff happened and he would have had no problem finding somebody body that would appreciated him for who he was you know not every dollar that he made you know

You can’t like go and buy a house like that and because I I I could only imagine the mortgage payment I mean I don’t want to be quoted on this but I’ve heard several different numbers but the most accurate one I heard it was around

$2,800 a month and I asked a real estate friend of mine and you know according to what they paid for the house and depending that was about that was about accurate so you know and then you have to sell off your stuff you know your car

And all that stuff to bail them out once and then it’s not even just a year or two later and they’re right back in the financial strain again but yet you know your wife wants to get on Facebook and every place else act like everything’s fine and dandy and you’re just gonna

Thrive your way right on out of deck everything’s good you know pun intended sorry pun absolutely and it’s it’s it’s sickening to me because I’ve said from day one and I know you’ll you’ll back me on this and everybody that’s on my mod panel and everybody that’s been in any of our

Lives before I absolutely disagree 1,00% anything that happened to shenan nobody deserves that ever but I also have a problem with everybody putting her up on a pedestal and throwing Chris under the bus like he’s just you know a piece of trash and like she was The Golden Child when she wasn’t

Sorry yeah I mean we do have to be fair and consider um like as as Wayne said as I’ve said you know multiple times murder is never the answer for for anything and what happened was wrong but looking solely looking solely at the marriage they should have separated they should have divorced

Because what was going on was toxic long before I’m going to be put on a I’m going to be put on a crucifix for this I’m saying all the I’m saying all the things CA I’m saying all the things oh boy um long before the affair started the marriage was in trouble I

Mean bad trouble bad trouble uh okay I can put it to you this way I as much as I love my wife and I’m sure I hope hopefully she loves me equally I’d assume she does I couldn’t imagine either one of us attempting to keep our our daughters away from either

Set of grandparents you know what I mean and I I just I don’t get that and but people don’t want to talk about that see and I don’t know I’m gonna be careful what I say I’ll just be quiet it’s difficult isn’t it no um touching on

Touching on what you said um what you said about you know not allowed to not being allowed to see the grandparents what that is that’s called course of control okay and that is a form of abuse and know that’s you know I’m going to

Get jumped on for that but it is what it is we talk about facts here and that is absolutely a fact um you know if if the tables were turned I mean okay let’s let’s just say for conversation sake okay with everybody here tonight if the tables were turned and the roles were

Reversed and CW was in sw’s place and SW was in CW’s place and you know say you know he was you know uh emasculating her on live streams in front of you know friends and family and just saying demeaning her belittling things and just making you know he’s

Making her feel small and all of the things right and then you know saying to her oh you’re parents are never going to see the the kids again and blah blah blah everybody would be in absolute hysterics about how she’s a victim of do domestic violence you know

And that’s where I have to kind of you know be the person who has to say it and risk being disliked but I I think that you know we have to consider that as well and just because he’s a man doesn’t necessarily mean that he wasn’t being

Abused and I’m not saying that at all like that she didn’t love him or anything like that I think she loved him deeply deeply but I also think that he was verbally and emotionally abused there I said it yeah and she took advantage of him took it for granted absolutely you

Know there’s no other way to say it you know and it’s it’s it’s sad that it either parent no matter who it is I’m not saying that by no means because I never seen Chris do it I’ve seen her do it we all seen it uh we even seen it

In a lot of the other YouTube channels has played it you know where she clearly stated you’re never gonna see the kids again you know uh yeah that that would horrible for for Ronnie and Miss Cindy but the end of the day it’s hurting the kids morning it’s hurting anybody you

Know yes you don’t use children as a weapon I don’t care who it is you just don’t use children as a weapon it’s this it’s that’s an emotional trauma that small children will never be able to get past them they’ll have to they’ll have that come up in their life so many years

Down the road and have to deal with it and they shouldn’t have to just because somebody wants to be vindictive you know I don’t get it absolutely absolutely um Aunt Diane said um OMG I said the same thing and if she un alived Chris it would be called self-defense okay yeah

Okay yeah I mean I I can see that and it that’s unfortunately that is I don’t know how things are up there in your area Amber but uh well you know we we can argue that a little bit and look at like not every case is got it you know the same

Situations as you know jod arish but you know jod arish tried that same thing it was self-defense and we all know that wasn’t true U you know she you take away what she did to Travis and look how she acted towards Travis and she treated Travis exactly mentally she treated him exactly

The way s SW did CW exactly yeah all the mental all the mental gymnastics you know absolutely over and over and over and over and over and you know what did we see Travis do Travis like I I gotta get out of this you know

I got to move on and look what happened to him okay well you know I’m not saying necessarily Chris took the same approaches Travis did but he he did you know get involved with another you know you know another woman but you know the lady that Travis got involved with after

Jod you know she wasn’t mentally deranged like ink so you know she wound up you know being fearful for her life too and it’s just I I don’t think it’s right you shouldn’t have you shouldn’t have laws that apply in a case if it’s a man committing

The violence or if it’s it should be equal it doesn’t matter who commits the violence male or female domestic violence is domestic violence under the law in this country period absolutely and we could look it back there’s so many cases that you look at if you

Just stop at the point to where the end of life happens I have to be cautious how I word things on YouTube but you know you all know what I’m saying and just look at all the mental abuse that went on I mean look how similar this

Case right here is not only to jod Aries but to Gabby potito case also you know it’s uh yeah it’s it’s crazy if you read it and you just look into it how much how how close they were with this mental abuse you know I agre Rene she was a jealous

Person you know uh I think I think Brian laundry you know not to get off on that case but I think he was he was like the male version of W you know here are you know and it’s it’s sad because look you’ve got all these young people

That had their whole life ahead of them and you’ve got family members that are still here that’s got to suffer every day the rest of their life because somebody wanted to be you know vindictive and horrible but when people do that everybody involved with that should be accountable not just one

Person I couldn’t agree with you more my friend and yeah I agree spooky Fox that Shane of Hubers that’s a case we’re gonna get into later this year uh that’s another one that girl she fell off her cracker a long time ago bad she uh are you familiar with

That case Amber chain of heers no I was just I was cackling at the thing Chee falling off the cracker I just think it’s it’s funny that you Incorporated that good good touch I like it when you get off of here and we’re going to try shut things down here in a

Minute guys because I know everybody needs to get to bed and go to work and I appreciate everybody that’s been here this long with us and Mr Ronnie if you and Miss Indy are still here with us I greatly appreciate you all being here uh just just know that this channel here

And everybody here uh supports you guys 100 % and anything we can ever do for either one of you we’re here so I know we’re not real close by but I I’ll make it happen anything we can do for you oh that’s a really nice compliment

Granny T thank you thank you Granny T we try uh this was kind of a a new adventure for us being on Tuesday nights but we kind of wanted to see how it would go and and I I’m fully on board if it can go like this every night

I every Tuesday night I should say moving forward I mean we’ve got a lot of content and we don’t want to like reveal it on here you know because we’re still uh you know discussing how we’re going to approach it and what we’re going to talk about but uh well thank

You spooky Fox we are glad you found us and glad you’re here so uh right now in case you weren’t here earlier our definite time is Friday Friday every Friday at at 7:00 p.m. but moving forward we’re going to be every Friday at 7 p.m. and definitely every

Tuesday at 7 p.m. and we’re looking at one more uh day also which is probably going to be Sunday what Sunday Sunday Amber is that what we agreed on yes that’s what I was thinking so is anybody else got anything they want to to discuss uh real quick before we start

Saying goodbye to everybody and shutting everything down I know everybody needs to probably depending on where you’re at in the world uh get in to bed and has work tomorrow and all that good stuff but uh if they’re still in here whether or not they can come back and watch it

So if everybody wants to say hello and send their uh wishes or whatever you want to say to kind words to the watch let them know uh you’re welcome to do so now this is the open floor so also um I just wanted to let everyone know uh Wayne and

I came up with a what I think it’s a pretty dar cool idea um so as he said every Tuesday and every Friday at 700 p.m. so the same time the live started tonight Tuesday and Friday is 7M we’re going to be talking about the Watts

Case and um every Sunday we thought it would be pretty cool just to um throw something different in there you know uh talk about you know a different case or a case you know from the past a case from the present anything really just you know something different just to

Kind of switch it up so just uh we thought that you guys would really like that and uh you know we’re not saying we’re not going to bring anybody else on panel I’ve got other mods of mine that that uh you know will be on also but um

Pretty much moving forward if you see me up here you’re going to see Amber I think it’s just a good collab we uh we communicate well and we agree on a lot of the same things and uh you know we just work together good and even though we’re many many thousand miles apart

Thank God for the internet amen so well all right guys if you want to U got anything you want to say to Miss Amber or Mr and Mrs Watts on your way out uh hopefully they’re still watching or listening or whatever you’re welcome to do so in the chat and I’m going to

Give everybody a chance to do that and by the way if you want to uh going back to what Miss Amber was just talking about on Sundays we’re going to kind of discuss all types of uh cases moving forward so if you got a particular case

That you would like us to discuss uh and even come on panel with us on Sundays and talk about it uh let us know down in the comments because we have a list that we’ve already making we don’t have any specific order right now how we’re going

To do them not just written in stone anyway so if you got any suggestions let us know also um I just wanted to throw out there um tomorrow January the 10th is uh shenan watt’s birthday so I just want to say early happy Heavenly birthday to miss shenan from myself and

Wayne um and everybody here uh she would have been 40 tomorrow absolutely and may she rest in peace and hopefully one day she will find Total peace and Justice because that’s what they all deserve so guys I want to thank everybody for being here Amber I really

Want to appreciate and thank you would let you know I appreciate you and thank you I can’t even talk um because uh it it just it kind of flows real easy with you up here because we kind of you know we kind of see each other see things on the

Same Spectrum I guess you would say and I think we have the same amount of respect for both families and at the end of the day I feel like you and me and all the mods and mostly I would say everybody here uh has the same goal out of this and

That’s just to uh hopefully one way or another find a way that all and maybe if it’s just us talking about it and praying about it or if you if you pray or if you don’t that’s that’s up to you but that uh the families you know that

They finally find peace you know and then that shenan and the girls and Nico can can finally rest in peace and hopefully one day that’s going to come sorry you kind of got here about the time we’re all saying goodbyes and all but uh you’re more than welcome to go

Back and watch the replay so if you got anything you say it was a good one I thought it went excellent and I hope everything moving forward on Tuesday nights and Friday nights and Sunday nights goes like this but we’re going to have a real good one

Friday night guys and I hope you all will join us and hopefully there’ll be more join us Friday night uh because it’s it’s going to be a really really really good one absolutely see right there will that right there guys will just speak volumes to the type of people

That the whites are so thank you Mr Ronnie uh you you’ve got all of our thoughts and prayers with you sir you and your family be blessed and uh I’m glad you were here and thank you for being here and send our well wishes and prayers to Miss Cindy and the rest of

Your family also what a beautiful human honestly they’re they’re just such a wonderful family my God they are I could not even imagine what they have to deal with every day it’s it’s it’s a sad thing and I just wish there was something more

We could do for them you know but I know there’s there’s nothing more we can do for them except stand beside them and hope that they get uh the answers that they desperately need one day you know absolutely absolutely that’s why we’re here that’s why we’re going to do this you

Know well you got anything you want to say Miss Amber before I start shutting everything down and I’ll drop you off panel and I’ll drop myself off and we’ll roll the exit and uh thank everybody being here stuff um I just I had a fantastic time talking with you and talking to

Everybody uh tonight um I think there was so many so many excellent points made uh in and mentioned from people in chat and even amongst ourselves like it just it’s amazing it’s amazing the things that you can piece together and find out like many hands make like work right so I

Just had a fantastic time and you know it’s always a pleasure talking with you even when we’re on the phone yeah and I’m really I’m so excited and I’m I’m really looking forward to you know doing the Watts case twice a week and bringing in a you know a

Different case on Sundays like I think that’s just going to be so much fun you know to to get everyone together our own little fam jam and you know just sit back with our snacks and relax and talk with each other I think just is I think

It’s fantastic and I want to thank everyone that showed up today and supported Wayne and thank the the mods in the chat and thank everybody that has been watching and Miss uh Cindy and Mr Ronnie for showing up I just I’m really thankful absolutely and uh you know you

Forgot to thank yourself too because uh this channel wouldn’t be where it was at without you and all my mods so I can fully say that right now that if it weren’t for you and the rest of my team that I’ve got that I feel like we’d be I

Don’t even want to say team I say family that uh you know we wouldn’t be where we’re at and I think the as Alicia said and I believe somebody else said the sky is a limit you know and uh I stated it earlier and I’ll state it again and I

Don’t I would much rather have quality over quantity so we may never be the biggest Channel but I believe we’ll be the most respectful and uh the most polite Channel that’s that’s my main goal amen all right guys I want to say thank you to everyone for being here uh I I

Greatly appreciate it you guys make this so easy for me and it’s not easy by any means uh I’m sure miss Amber can speak on that uh just probably by the sheer amount of messages she gets from me and questions that she gets from me uh she

Could probably add to that a little bit and she’d probably pull her hair out uh you know if she’s saying that the other side of it but it’s worth it you know uh absolutely every bit of it worth it just uh knowing that we have the uh the respect and courtesy of Ronnie

And Cindy being here and you know I don’t think honestly they’d be here if this wasn’t a respectful place to be absolutely I agree all right guys well I want to say thank you again and Amber I will give you a shout real quick actually I’ll

Give you a shout but I’m going to give all my mods a shout real quick uh when I close everything down in the uh other app we use and um touch Bas of you for just a couple of minutes on the phone about something and then uh we’ll see everybody Friday night

So sounds like a plan St all right Miss Amber I’m GNA drop you off screen so you want to say goodbye I’ll say goodbye and we’ll roll the exit and shut everything down and thank you you all and I hope you all have a blessed night now you’reall messing with

The hang around it’s coming up just the second so thank you Miss Amber and we’ll talk to you all soon all my mods thank you I appreciate everyone of you and I’ll be in touch in just a few minutes everybody in chat thank you for being here and we will see you all

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