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Episode welcome to the oldfashioned Masonic podcast where we talk all things Free Masons while drinking in oldfashioned I’m Brian and I’m Russ it’s that time of year Russ it is so uh we are talking about because a Grand Lodge session is just a month away in Kansas we’re talking about the proposed bylaws
But not only Kansas bylaws we’re going to talk about something that’s going on with Texas which in which is a bylaw which is massive all right it’s a massive massive thing so if you’d like to follow along every Mason and Kansas should have got their bylaw proposals uh
From most worthful Trace Bloom so we are going to get rid of some of this word salad and we’re going to talk about some of the proposed bylaws all right so most of your all of your Lodgers must be reading your bylaw proposals out in Lodge but if you don’t go to
Lodge maybe the time that they read it which I don’t I don’t go as often as I should but we’re giving you an opportunity to yeah and like last year this is our second year doing this this we are not here to um really change anybody’s mind we’re not
Here to we’re just here to present some of this we will tell you our opinion we will this is just what we do yes and our opinion is on proposal one most worful Bloom should have put our name on it we brought this up last year we did we did
So proposal one the the word solid to is this if there are any minor Corrections changes punctuations minor misspelled words we don’t need a damn 2third majority the the grand secretary can just change it and great and the COA he presents it to the COA and at the
End of the day he has to read those changes the following year so you know what he has changed so he’s not doing it all on his own in a secret room it’s all up minor changes but because we do have I they could be typos they’re just I
Don’t know what they are Extra Spaces just stuff but the housekeeping stuff most worful Bloom thanks for putting us through and and taking care of this there it’s one of the Thousand great things you do proposal two um you’re probably not going to like my opinion on this
So basically this is what this proposal is saying when a lodge has less than 50 Master Masons on its role within a county a county 50 Master Masons in a county we are going to allow them to lower the bar and instead of five Master Masons presents you can have fewer so it
Says a quorum is present for the transaction of business with fewer than five Master Masons who are members of that Lodge can it be fewer as one could be I believe this is to help lodes sort of um get at least three or four Masons
There to shut the doors so so this was presented help consolidate High tone approach to this so worful Christopher presented this yeah yeah shirt and Pike so but here’s the thing let me just have my opinion guys 50 Master Masons in a county I hope you don’t own a
Building yeah you’re getting way off base here because we have some some decent lodges out there in smaller rural communities that have fewer than 50 masons in the county and they may have 10 15 guys um show up but if they’ve got to do business and all what
It says not showing up this says 50 in your Lodge in County no so yes if your Lodge has you can do so think of some of the lodges that we have attended yes great great small lodges out there yeah they don’t have 50 members in their
County so so County in their count yes you know Kansas you you you’re say he’s saying that and he can’t name one and he’s El County I know you guys have more than 50 members and he’s trying to take it don’t El County don’t listen to
Russ Brown he’s wrong he’s wrong and you guys have more than five people at your at your Lodge medes I know you do yeah so I believe this is one of those situations where when a lodge is dead this is what we got where the lodge is
Dead yeah and they need to actually conduct business it’s so three dudes can close the lodge that’s what I that’s how I you know what I I like your logic I like your I listen I hate that this is even having to be a discussion but it’s
It’s awful all right number three Kansas Lodge of research essentially the director of the Kansas Lodge he uh they shall carry the title of wri warle great congratulations right worful proposal four Stoops alert so uh most worful Stoops is all over this and you know what a lot of it’s good
Sometimes most forceful Stoops puts proposals together to challenge thought processes sometimes just to aggravate but you know what 90% of the time it’s good you know I’m I’m a Stoops backer and uh he likes to incite some things just to get you thinking about it
But this is a good one last year he threw one out there though he did he did and and then uh he uh he pulled it right at the end because you know what I like your style buddy I like your style so stir the pot so on the Stoops alert so
This is for the budget basically what he’s asking correct me where I’m wrong which I’m wrong often he’s basically saying we’re going to present a budget at Grand Lodge and damn it should be balanced that word’s not in here at all but it should be a balanced budget at
Grand Lodge and we need a majority that are going to be required to approve if we don’t approve we’re going to keep our asses there and get it tweaked until it’s approved am I reading that correctly because it’s right here that it says basically making Necessary modifications and amendments to come to
A consensus so we’re not going to leave Grand Lodge without a budget and I like that I I think the last the last little time we have sort of we focused on pump and circumstance and time and quite frankly every once in a while we need to have a Grand Lodge
Where we get up and get to the nuts and B we get to the nuts and blls so and what Russ is politely alluding to I think it’s interesting that it takes 35 minutes to bring past Grand Masters into our Star Wars music I think it’s interesting but not needed because to me
A balanced budget especially as our membership is dwindling is more important than anything Stoops love what you’re all doing here uh number five proposal five also Stoops alert this is all about data so let me talk about something I know which is data as a business owner owning software
Having data you’ve got customers information and all that so if you have a thirdparty operator which we do manage our software who owns the data and then who owns the data they can do what they want but if you don’t own the data what’s the what are the rules we have
Have in place that they can’t disseminate that data so most of you guys I’ve lost you but let me just tell you here what most warful Stoops is trying to do is control the flow of data and you want him to have this this is a very 21st century conversation that most
People in your daily life you don’t deal with data protection this is very timely and it also allows you to manage your own data too that’s fair too this most of you are like I don’t know what this is about you need to trust most worful
Stoops or trust me on this you need this protection you need this protection proposal number six this is a cleanup item uh taking some things with the Masonic Home that’s not around anymore stuff with office equipment and whatnot um very good very timely a whole bunch
Of stuff with it’s a great uh this was presented by uh brother Alex Lesley actually worshipful brother Alex Lesley um number seven Russ and I are probably going to have a different opinion on this which is fine so proposal it’s going to be interesting yeah it it it it’ll be
Interesting how this is talked about on the floor so uh brother Brent Buckley out of Witchita he he’s a he’s at Pyramid so for some reason so um he’s a deole adviser and he yes senior deole de so he added uh to uh 2-1 124c the committee on total
Youth and education so basically what brother bent Brent is asking if I understand he’s basically saying that since we’ve got rid of the buck 50 that we uh sent to the Masonic Home and um he’s basically wanting to take a buck 50 from the Masonic Home and another
Buck 50 so three bucks out of out of theg out of the budget and give a buck to Rainbow girls Buck to job’s daughters and a buck to deole so let me go on the budget side every year guys we can’t we’re not we’re not being very smart
About per cap and different things we’re going to get smarter but let’s just say we have 10,000 m we get a little bit more 10,000 * 3 for the math challenge that’s $30,000 from our budget that brother Brent is asking that we give to the youth orders I I’m not anti- youth
Order I am anti our our Grand Lodge getting shut if we there’s a reason when you’re on an airplane that the steward says you put on your mask before you go to help others $30,000 is not putting our mask on first before we’re helping others because we can put oursel in a
Position where we can’t help any organization out there I would like to defer to Russ because I’m going to say something I so I think it’s a bad precedent not to support those organizations in our marketing efforts in in all of Freemasonry we tout that we support our youth and they are
Masonic type of organizations I don’t know that this is the right amount of money to give but I believe the Grand Lodge should support these organizations at some level I don’t know what that level is and what’s what’s fair but this sets a bad tone it sort of leaves a
They’re not that important so we’re not going to fund them at all when it’s we’re the ones that set all of that up and then we just s of let them go yeah about you anymore you know what you tweaked my opinion a bit I don’t think
We should give three bucks out of our budget that’s just me here’s what I here’s some Alternatives Brent come to me I’ll give you a hyy so that that’ll cover about 40 members so work that way here’s the other thing we can do stay there it’s
Fine go go to Russ he’ll give you a hyy too so why why can’t we do this we’ve got a why can’t you send one of your raffle tickets for for your car which Bob shy does a killer job bringing cars or gun Raffles what why can’t you send one to
That that’s 15 bucks that’s not just three that’s we’ve all got that so you’re like oh I don’t have three bucks well if you don’t have three bucks get out of masonry but you can sure you can sure have a ticket with a demola name on it for 15 a a
Do a uh I don’t even know the other ones rainbow girls they were on yeah the other youth orders but there’s things that we can do but you’re still talking about anyway move on figure it out uh proposal eight a no-brainer presented by most warful Kellerman is this a clean up
Of of some words here with the grand represent if I want to be the grand representative of Ethiopia put me down please uh proposal another number nine Stoops alert so this is a cleanup a good cleanup for the Kansas Masonic Home and the board uh just some verbs that needs
To be cleaned up good job um Bowen most war or I’m sorry worshipful Bowen out of sunflower he’s wanting to change the Masonic Funeral basically who’s entitled before it was if they were expelled from Masonic conduct they’re not entitled okay he’s one to add or suspended for
Unmic’d to strike out the Dual member and transfers within the jurisdiction makes sense to me uh 12 Stoops alert so when I first read this I was like what are we doing I mean you’re saying the same thing but Russ corrected me and said no it’s more of a modern
Approach yeah um yeah I agree I agree it’s more of a modern yeah he just put a modern spin on it he’s saying the same thing and I I think it’s Chris clean it works yeah it’s clean it works yeah show them some love uh Unlucky 13 uh proposal
13 uh a lot of cleanup with suspension and non-payment of dues and I I makes sense that’s also submitted by uh a uh from wor B just pay your dues yeah pay your dues we have to vote on this and if you belong to more than one launch pay
Your dues right so 99% 99.9% of the time I think I agree with everything most Kellerman puts out I’m a fan um so with the exception of this this is the the point1 this is regarding Masonic charges so I I’m going to speak on this let me
Just I I I have uh uh put somebody up on Masonic charges but when I do it um I’m not I’m not a scared Soul anybody that’s around me I’m not weak-minded so if I’m going to ring you up on something I’m going to call you and say I’m going to
Bring it up in front of L okay if you know you know so show up and so I can look you in the eye if I’m going to ring you up because I think that’s what Mas should be able to do is look you in the eye and just just have a
Little bit of a sack on you so but here’s what he’s asking to be done here if you’re going to ring somebody up when you vote when when uh we we did something a pike to ring somebody up we did a show of hands unanimous right so
He’s asking to change the vote shall be taken by secret ballot as described I think that this is a little over reach of Grand Lodge now we are Grand Lodge anybody that has a vot at Grand Lodge we are Grand Lodge so I’m not speaking against COA or past Grand Masters what
I’m saying is it’s a little overreaching the lodge should the master of that Lodge should run his vote and run that so he should determine that from the situation because we don’t always know what that situation is in that logge so R it that’s fair so I got I agree with that
For the most part the exception of this I personally think it should be by hand but because you should be able to and I think the brother should be there frankly if if he if he’s known and he can be but I think you should be able to
So there’s not this lip service oh I’m not going to vote against you oh my gosh how did this happen you say man you the bed I’m going have to ring you up on this one yeah that’s just me and it should be clear it it should be clear
That’s just me so those are Kansas let’s we just want to really talk about one in Texas this is this is ground you sort of get excited about things going on in Texas so so Texas what’s up with that uh you know I’m in Texas a lot uh a
Lot of business in Texas just a lot of uh so the textas brother shout out um I will tell you this we did an episode earlier about some bunch of charges that were filed in the Grand Lodge and I got a call from somebody and said dude
How did you get this we haven’t even got it yet well some people just love the old fashioned Masonic podcast and send us stuff but those people also know we don’t don’t publish all of it either so in Texas let’s just talk what we what are we doing in Texas the Texas brothers
Are notorious for having just you memorize your stuff you take time to go through and in fact if I understand correctly once you’re Master Mason I think there’s like a six-month time frame that you can’t even join another appendant body correct me where I’m wrong Texas
Boys so there’s a proposal on the Grand Lodge floor or in the bylaws to put together a committee that will allow like a a one day or a or a c2a style class in Texas really the discussion I can’t even believe that they have discussion’s up we’ve got different
Opinions as any followers know about uh c2a or or you know we just we we just think that there should be the tool should be available in the tool box without kind of going down that rabbit hole but for Texans to even I think it’s going to fail miserably this is going to
Be the most attended Grand Lodge in the state or in the history of Texas with everything that’s going on which it should be take your butt to Grand Lodge and vote always um it’ll be interesting to hear I think it’s going to fail miserably but um we’ll find out soon uh
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