BRYAN KOHBERGER: TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS? (THE IDAHO FOUR CASE)

If you like audio books or audio shows check out a free trial of audible just click the link in the description welcome to M shock True Crime this is your host Bruce Maguire and you are listening to the Idaho students murders this is episode 9 Brent kopaka and many believe this guy

Supposedly Gunn down by swat at nearby Washington State un university area within the area of Washington State University where students live this guy gunned down by SWAT allegedly which is curious in and of itself I mean right around the time after the murders this guy’s gun down

This guy who supposedly works in the IT department at the University of Idaho who supposedly had their security system down the night of the Idaho homicides all coincidental probably I mean The Coincidence theorists are having a field day with this case there’s obviously way more coincidences that you can shake a

Stick at there’s so many student deaths that are just filed away is not suspicious I mean it’s just this whole area is really bizarre and regarding Brent kapaka many believe he has some kind of a link to coob Berger he has cryptic social media posts as well which will be going over

As well as coincidentally supposedly the guy also has a white Elantra I mean this is really weird this is really weird I mean and this is all just the tip of the iceberg we’ll be going over all of this in typical mind shock fashion with logic and reason at the

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Or have accomplices or any of this stuff despite the the fact that this they’re convicted in court every single day of this some people are so the gullible Goofs for whatever reason they’re just so triggered at any notion of not a single guy being involved in any kind of

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Dailymail.co.uk okay this has been reported in uh a few other outlets for those that have a problem with the Daily Mail and engage in genetic logical fancies but I think this is a pretty good write up by Andrea Cavalier posted March 29th 2023 is Brian cerer trial in Jeopardy police officer is

Implicated in Internal Affairs probe that could threaten the murder case Brian coburger 28 is accused of killing four University of Idaho students prosecutors have provided potential Brady jigloo material to the defense related to an officer involved with cob Berger’s case coburger is due in court June 26th and is being held

Without bail until then prosecutors have disclosed that a police officer involved in the cobber case is the subject of internal affairs probe that could threaten the at home mot trial on Monday a notice of potential Brady jigloo material was submitted to the lat County District Attorney’s office about the separate confidential investigation

Brady material is information that could be potentially exculpatory for the defense jiggo material is information that could impeach The credibility of a witness which in this case would be an officer who worked on cob Berger’s case at the request of the prosecution a protective order was granted by lat

County Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall to keep the material which contains Personnel records from being publicly disclosed it comes as 28-year-old cober prepares to stay in TR for the November 13th murders of University of Idaho students kayy kavz Madison mojin Ethan chapen and z gado a preliminary hearing will be held

June 26th prosecutors have yet to reveal if they intend to seek the death penalty for cobber but some legal experts say that to avoid any issues on appeal it’s better for the prosecution to lay everything out prosecutors are disclosing the material under the obligation of two Supreme Court cases

Brady vers Maryland and J jigo versus United States the state has become aware of potential Brady jigo material related to one of the officers involved in the above referenced case the state wrote in the motion the state intends to disclose the info to the defendant’s council prosecutor said while adding that

Information is confidential and exempt from public disclosure Brady material is any evidence that could prove the defendant is not guilty Fox news report jigo material refers to any evidence past or present that could impeach the credability of a witness The Outlaw reported dailymail.com has reached out to cober’s defense team for comment on

The development Nama ramani a former Federal prosecutor speculated to Fox News that the relevant material could be related to cober’s case or information about an officer’s past that impeaches their credibility as a witness at coob Berger’s trial it could be anything ramani told Fox News digital it

Could be beating his wife that’s a weird thing for her to randomly throw out wow it could be driving fast and he’s pulled over pulling out his badge when he shouldn’t it could be smoking weed did she just kind of list the most common offenses police officers are

Investigated by Internal Affairs for the material will not be made public because the judge approved the protective order after the motion was filed on Monday ramani also suggested that the prosecutors laid it all out in an effort to avoid any issues on appeal should they seek the death penalty

In the prosecution’s case you’re thinking ahead okay I got a case wrong you know what I’m just going to disclose everything because I don’t want an appell at issue down the road Romani said prosecutors have yet to reveal if they intend to see the death penalty for

Cober who was charged with four counts of first-degree murder and burglary and the deaths of Kaya Gonzales Madison mojin both 21 and the Coupes an kado Ethan chapen both 20 at their off-campus apartment the slangs shocked the rural Idaho community and neighboring Pullman Washington where cobber was a graduate student studying criminology at

Washington State University earlier this week it was revealed that cober’s sisters were both let go from their jobs and his family has been struggling financially since his arrest in December it was also reported that the family has not visited cober in jail but have spoken with him on the

Phone it would be curious what those phone conversations are like is coburger insisting on his innocence is he avoiding talking about innocence or guilt completely or is there something else going on and how much does cobber know reg so if he’s guilty with an accomplice or he was

Kind of used as a py for something he didn’t know was going to be murdered cuz I’ve gone over this in the previous episodes make sure you check those out for all the different theories but that was one of the Maguire theories where if koberger apparently he’s

Hanging out at the University of Idaho as well he’s hanging out in the cafeteria staring at people or whatever from all of these accounts but either way he’s hanging out in the area is he involved in the drug scene if so as either seller or buyer was there

Something going on at the house which is a party house many alleg that it’s a house known where you can score drugs or whatever from whatever parties not necessarily the victims obviously but from other people in the home either the roommates or other individuals since it’s such a party house wouldn’t it be

Safer for people who don’t live there to to do their business there because then it’s safer for them so is it more likely that someone who doesn’t live there simply hangs out there at parties and otherwise and sells drugs from there but doesn’t actually live there either way

If there’s some kind of crossover with cobber and maybe Brent kopaka or any of these other guys that might be connected did they kind of set him up as saying okay we’re just going to go score or sell and then they knew that it was going to turn into maybe they didn’t

Even intend to murder anybody maybe they just wanted to rough up some people and scare them maybe they even got the wrong people who knows and then it all spiraled out of control and that’s why coburger is if he was even there is like walking up to the door what’s going on

And then leaving even if he himself didn’t do anything if he’s being set up as a py by either kopaka or somebody else some of these maybe maybe these frat guys or whatever connections to the sororities coincidentally the victims belonging to formerly belonging to the only two sororities that were uh on

Probation none of the other ones were so whatever anyway who knows what else is going on with the fraternities as well all of these so-called suspicious deaths are they related to hazing are they related to something else the drug scene whatever and cerg maybe he really was

There but would he really leave his knife sheath there or if somebody’s making it look like he did it especially if he really was there would they leave the sheath and then say Oh look that clearly points to him I mean this is just bonkers the level of insanity where

Supposedly this PhD student is going to be this dumb now if he’s completely completely insane then maybe maybe but if he has any moome of intelligence you would think this is not the way he would carry this out however if he was either tricked into being there or maybe he

Wasn’t even there but if he was tricked into being there at some point during the night regardless of uh uh whether he was there at the exact time the murders were taking place somebody else could uh implicate him more easier in that situation so again if you haven’t

Checked out the previous episodes make sure you check them out the family made one public stat in the wake of the killings quote we will continue to let the legal process unfold as a family we love and support our son and brother end quote they said in January after his

Arrest we have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions end quote I mean that’s that’s a pretty solid statement there they’re not saying he’s innocent they’re saying he he deserves his

Presumption of innocence as any citizen so that is curious that’s curious so what do they know and how much has coburger said and would they say something like that if if they knew coburger was present and being used as aaty and tricked and possibly involved in something illegal like some kind of

Drug activity but not murder and how and if that is the case how much as cobber told them cobber who was pursuing his PhD at nearby Washington State University before his arrest in January is now back in Idaho where he’s being kept in isolation far from other inmates

Given the depravity of his alleged crimes cobber coburger could face execution if convicted of one of any of the murder charges all right all right so yeah now who is this officer some allege this is the very officer who is in charge of the case and this is Brett

Payne and apparently some alleg that he actually served in the military in the same platoon with Brent kopaka and was actually present during this SWAT shootout others believe that it’s more connected with uh the police chief but either way I have no idea obviously this is mind shock we’re the

Only thing we know for sure is that we don’t know anything for sure I am not claiming anything is true or untrue there’s a lot of dting Krueger Goofs leaving comments of course that can’t understand basic first grade English I will say it again I am not claiming

Anything is true or untrue it’s very simple no need for these gifts to get triggered I’m going over an assortment of information and theories many of which are mutually exclusive this is the mindshock podcast where we approach everything with logic and reason not presuppositions and hallucinations to already know what is

Or isn’t related what is or isn’t true like uh most of the media so here is an article here revealed lead investigator in Idaho murders is a US Army vet with Just 2 years of police experience as desperate FBI ads agents and families grow even more impatient this was uh

Posted all the way back December 20th 2022 by Jennifer Smith dailymail.com BR officer Brett Payne joined the Moscow Police Department from the Army in 2020 Payne 32 is now the lead investigator on the unsolved Kupa murder case Kayla Gonzalez Madison mojan Zan carado Ethan chapen died November 13th they were all

Stabbed viciously while they slept in their beds allegedly supposedly that is not true no one has been arrested and police still don’t have any leads in the case so this is as of December 20th 2022 so this is before CG’s arrest the lead investigator in the excruciatingly slow

Probe of four murdered Idaho students is a 32-year-old US Army vet who only joined law enforcement 2 years ago it has been over 5 weeks since the murders in the house the killer remains on the loose and the floundering Moscow Police Department is yet to name any suspects

Let alone make any arrests the FBI added 30 extra agents now the lawyer for kayle’s family has told her P told her parents were told yesterday that the man in charge of the probe Brett Payne has been on the force for Just Two years so he was hired in 2020 as a

Rookie he has a total of two years experience all right kind of weird so he was served in the 82nd Airborne Division in Afghanistan and this is his first policing job so the 82nd Airborne is supposedly an elite Infantry Division now that’s curious that’s curious not to get into super super deep conspiracy

Land but would someone like kopaka or even officer pay here more likely to execute this Siege on a house killing four people in the middle of the night is an elite military trained individual more likely to do this than somebody like coburger I don’t know I don’t know I’m

Just asking questions here and is it possible that pay and Kaka actually knew each other were they both involved who knows what’s going on here I mean this case is just really really bizarre that’s pretty much the only thing that uh can be uh deduced conclusively at this

Point other people allege that if cerg and kopaka acted together and cerg really is smart did he perhaps know that the comps were closing in and he set up Kaka to be killed by SWAT feeding them whatever information again this is just what people are discussing I’m not claiming that is true or

Untrue come with me crime posted this on the mindshock podcast regard ing the uh Moscow murders coverup podcast rving keep it rolling posted this wow I didn’t know about the LinkedIn account this is regarding Kaylee Gonzalez’s LinkedIn account which somehow disappeared I think Brian being

Set up and I think DM is involved I think kayy and Maddy had information and was talking about it could have been drugs or about the sority cops had cops but they had some kind of information that got them killed and Dylan may be Bethany involved strange how DM called sorority friends

First and didn’t Kay and matd belong to the same one but either left or was kicked out yeah a lot of unanswered questions in that direction as well here’s another post from come with me crime I just keep saying normal people with only High School diplomas wouldn’t

Even make this many mistakes Brian seems to have made them start to finish and even left a trail would he really leave so much evidence in his path police caught him with gloves on Etc so would he be that stupid to touch the knife case even once without gloves I don’t

Know the knife case was spotless for dirt even blood but a tiny bit of DNA was on it this is almost like the Steven Avery case where wow and it was found just under a body for me where that knife case was found it was placed deliberately I’m not saying he’s not

Done this crime but I honest LLY feel there is more to it good comment from come with me crime very objective logical and neutral that is a problem how again unless he’s completely insane but even then I mean wouldn’t he leave even more evidence then I mean I

Don’t know it’s it’s it’s really weird let’s look at another article here Idaho murder suspect Brian coburger kept ID tied to the killings or again is that another planted piece who knows this is an article New York Post Olivia land April 7th 2023 University of Idaho murder

Suspect Brian cobber may have held onto an ID belonging to one of the four killed in the shocking November stabbing sources claimed this week coburger 28 was arrested in Pennsylvania December 30th 6 weeks after kavas mojin kado and chapen were murdered in their off-campus home in Moscow in addition to DNA

Evidence tying coburger to the grizzly scene an unsealed search warrant suggested police found unspecified IDs in the glove box of the doctoral students car news nation’s reported okay would he really be that dumb to leave an ID in his own glove I mean again we’re going back to is does

This look like a frame up or does it really look like this PhD criminology student would make every mistake in the book that even you know really dumb people wouldn’t make I mean this is just this is really really weird and is it possible that one of these police

Officers is actually planting this evidence and does the IIA probe refer to some kind of planting in other cases where obviously that would shed some doubt on this case as well and here’s the thing when cops frame people I mean what kind of person would they look to frame would they look

To frame a weird psychotic looking guy like Brian koberger because the the the masses would easily believe that he could be capable of something like this and maybe he is capable maybe he didn’t do it maybe he killed other people but he’s not guilty for this particular

Crime but again police want to solve cases they want to be heroes Etc certain ones are willing to bend the law obviously there’s no shortage of this I do have the stepen Avery uh podcast episode on crime lab corruption coming up where there’s literally dozens and dozens of cases where officers uh were

Involved in switching labels at labs and Etc and these are only the ones that are found out about and there’s there’s so many of them it’s going to be a very long episode obviously going over all the ones that and these are just the ones that they found out about can only

Imagine how many other ones there are but if that’s the case here what is going on obviously coincidence theorists will will hallucinate that there’s absolutely no chance any of this could happen in this particular case regardless of how many other cases it happens in I mean

These are silly Goofs but that’s why the Mind shock podcast exists so we can examine this logically and objectively it’s a big deal this is a smoking license retired FBI agent Jennifer coffindaffer what a name coffindaffer told the networks’s Chris Kumo of possible discovery which cannot

Be confirmed due to a gag order on the case wait so there’s a gag oh she’s a retired FBI agent so she got some kind of inside source just like the knife sheath with a smoking sheath found next to moin’s body with his DNA on that clasp how convenient is this the same

Thing in this situation why would he have an ID related to one of those people from that house that’s a good question cuz even if he’s guilty why would he have that ID coffin daffer appeared on the network alongside trial attorney Mark gagos who surmised that

The ID find if true would be bad for cerg I mean it’s a real meeting of the minds here it would be bad if you have an ID in your car belonging to a murdered person wow okay the rumor that coburger may have kept ID of someone from the Moscow house emerged shortly

After the news broke that police were investigating whether the Pennsylvania native had contacted one of the victims prior to the murders if that’s true why do people stalk they stalk because they’re feeling persecuted and this is a way they can exact their Revenge coffindaffer told qumo coffin daff’s remark echoed those a

Former FBI investigator Pete yaket who told the post earlier this year that coburger may have struggled with an incel complex I believe a continued stabbing of a victim indicates an uncontrolled rage and extreme anger yaket said referring to the accused Killer’s long history of interpersonal problems at the

Time of the killings coburger was a doctoral student in criminal justice at Washington State University in pulman just 15 miles from Moscow search warrants unsealed last month also revealed a trove of a trove of disturbing items including a gun several knives and a black face mask that investigators took from cober’s parents

Home following his dramatic arrest coburger who has not yet entered a plea to four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary is in custody in L County Idaho he’s doing back in court June 26 and again let’s not forget the hit and run that happened right outside

Cober’s apartment that night yet another coincidence I mean how often does an accused murderer innocent or guilty have a hit and run occurring in front of their apartment on the night of a murder I mean what is going on in this case this is just the most bizarre case ever

I went over that in the previous episodes if you haven’t check those out make sure you check them out okay so on the Idaho murders documentary on the ID Network it is mentioned that the white Hyundai Elantra circled the block three times in the doorbell camera

Footage so 329 9 a.m. then another two times then came back in the neighborhood a fourth time at 4:04 a.m. then left at a high rate of speed at 4:20 a.m. okay what does this all mean cuz are people trying to in be inconspicuous would they

Do that I mean this is insane especially knowing people have door cam footage or did they just randomly assume if it’s somebody that’s been in the neighborhood multiple times I mean wouldn’t you assume that at least someone somewhere has some kind of doorbell or security camera obviously not everywhere but somewhere

Somewhere I mean it’s just kind of weird it’s kind of weird now supposedly there’s also supposedly kopaka might have had a white or Silva or Elantra as well and maybe it was visible in the police body cam footage that night who just so happened to be nearby the house students running

By cars all around so there’s a there’s a lot of weirdness in this case obviously I mean there’s there’s just so much here none of it really makes any sense to hallucinate none of it is connected to anything I mean that’s that’s a weird thing but you know that’s what

Coincidence there is too all right so let’s uh let’s look at more info on kopaka here so Veterans Day is November 11th supposedly kopaka’s best best friend’s birthday is November 13th the date of the killings is that all coincidental so kapaka has posted a lot of cryptic posts

Here he has a photo of his own eye supposedly in his own eye there’s a lot of people thinking that it actually shows the uh the murder house but it’s kind of hard to tell the We the People Twitter account posted a lot of interesting information on Kaka

Here he’s also got some coordinates posted in California uh I don’t know if people are insinuating there’s bodies buried there or whatever so these are posts from March 8th 2023 so or yeah what was hidden in the map you posted 3 to 4 days before SWAT I

Pick question mark Hope Was Your Girl but you felt hopeless why what were you trying to tell us Brent I don’t understand why they didn’t use gas and flashbangs like they did for a similar incident nearby to take him alive Chief fry was there his voice can be heard on

The scanner talk that night roommates walked outside no 91 one call release he had family in Lewis and Idaho there’s investigation to this matter okay so supposedly they were afraid that he would kill his roommates but allegedly his roommates were also outside at the time of his

Death so during the scanner call an officer mentions that Brent had thrown things out the window before Brent was killed always wondered why the gun with evidence marker was outside when they said he was in his apartment and there’s actually a photograph here that is a weird curiosity and also there’s a screenshot

Here of this timeline of the standoff from local news with people stand with a lot of people standing outside some people are alleging that those are act some of them are his roommates that he’s might have been threatening okay this is all really weird so timeline of the standoff here

900 p.m. start Point 3:00 a.m. tweet from Washington State University 3:47 a.m. fire started building evacuated 4:22 a.m. law enforcement shoots suspect so is there nobody inside at the time he was shot so there is a post here I’m assuming this is a YouTube screenshot this lady says Brent lived

With two female roommates with names similar to two of the King Road victim there is one video on the way back machine website with two of the roommates from the Brent kopaka situation I seen it a month ago now I cannot find it odd that the two

Roommates names of Brent kopaka is Kylie and the other girl’s name sounds like Madison but not Madison I’ll see if I can find that video I mean that that would obviously be a coincidence as well everything is a coincidence in this case obviously there’s nothing that can’t be

A coin coincidence according to the coincidence theorists so supposedly this is not Chief Fry’s jurisdiction so people are speculating why huh Chief fry so this is the police chief of the city of of Moscow so some people are asking why he’s dealing with the kopaka situation I mean it’s not that far away

But still I mean this is all really really bizarre We the People also brought up a case the five University of Florida co-eds murders where five students were killed in Florida with a K Bar knife most of them sleeping four females one male the first guy arrested was a student but the

Killer ended up being somebody else this was in Gainesville Florida We the People also posted this tweet anyone think it’s weird that there’s no pictures or videos of Brian in Pullman or Moscow not at a restaurant School festival party bar apartment house Etc the work ID is the only thing

I’ve seen from there dude’s a ghost room rental posted this he had friends and also went to a pool party plus neighbor dude was inviting him over if he was such a recluse that would not happen lots of people I know aren’t on social media so they have no pictures

Floating around some go to public events some don’t like having pics taken here’s the thing though not necessarily pictures of him posing in the pictures but in the background because obviously this is college most college students especially females are posting can’t taking countless photos all the time so

He would be in the background somewhere not to mention security footage of whatever establishments yeah it’s it’s pretty weird so the other thing that people are finding curious is that the vehicle they’re looking for is a 2011 to 2013 Elantra Cobra coburger has a 2015

Elantra so this is the wrong year I mean it’s not off by a lot but that’s is that a different body style yes it is so the 205 is the sixth generation Elantra the fifth generation was 2010 to 204 so wow so that’s a completely different body style on the 2015 I mean

Not completely different but different so you would think that law enforcement were pretty clear with the launcher they were looking for this does not match okay so they’re looking for a 2011 to 2013 so does the 2014 Elantra also have a different body style and then the 2015 has another different body

Style and let’s go into the next Point here because they’re let’s I mean just as a quick aside here let’s go to Q13 Fox n idah home ERS 90 white elantas were registered to park on campus as cops struggle to find vehicle so those are

Only the ones registered to park on C on campus those do not include any white elantas registered to private citizens in the exact area driving around those neighborhoods so that’s it’s 90 that were registered to park specifically on campus so that you would think I mean

There’s at least I don’t know a couple more if not way more just simply registered to private citizens in the area who are not parking on campus so this is crazy the University of Idaho has 90 white elantas registered to park at the school Vehicles similar to one police are seeking in connection

With the quadruple homicide just steps off campus record show so this article is December 28th 2022 before the arrest by Michael Ruiz Wednesday marked 45 days since the SL and police are still seeking the car they say was spotted near the scene of the crime on King’s Road early hours of November 13th

20122 on December 7th police announced they were looking for a white Hyundai Elantra from between 2011 and 2013 in connection with this case and as of their most recent public remarks they still have not found it progress continues to locate the white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai alantra believed to be in

The immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of November 13th authorities repeated on Tuesday investigators believe the occum occupant or occupants may have critical information to share regarding this case the statement did not describe the progress police have said the detectives have been working their way through a

List of more than 22,000 similar elantas and have been asking the public to come forward with info okay so that’s curious so hm so there’s of course the the footage from the clerk showing a white car but there’s also since then information has been released regarding the white Elantra

That was circling the block or circling the neighborhood several times and it seems like from The Ring footage they were able to deduce that it is the exact body style of 2011 to 2013 otherwise they would have said 2011 to 2015 right cuz if 2014’s and 2015s have

Other distinct body styles I mean of course you know slight differences it’s not a completely different car but apparently the details were good enough for them to specifically state it was a 2011 to 2013 body style Hyundai Elantra not a 2014 or 2015 they ruled otherwise they would have included them

In the ones they were looking for and so that’s kind of weird so coburger has a 2015 Elantra that’s weird that’s pretty weird what does everybody think of that H and what vehicle does kapaka have here’s an interesting post on Reddit from uh pork and cheese blonde I

Was reading the comments of a YouTube video on this guy and someone in there claimed to be a neighbor and said he was holding his roommate’s hostage because they were accusing him of committing the four murders couldn’t find out if that was true or not but the guy having combat

Experience it would make more sense how he took on four people that night see that’s weird so but why would the roommates randomly if they really believe he’s a murderer why would they randomly accuse this guy supposedly who has a lot of guns this military guy

Right in his face espe I mean I don’t know that seems kind of weird wouldn’t they go to the police with a tip or were they just seeking more info and he snapped and they really did ask some kind of innocent question that maybe even I don’t know I don’t know how

Obvious they were fishing but who knows I mean this is really weird another post there has been nothing said about why he held them hostage and they disappeared none gave interviews that’s curious as well cuz what the hell is going on with these SWAT standoffs and all these other cases

You have you have the people at least some of the people some people on the news immediately I mean what is going on here this is all very curious so here’s an outline here this was made supposedly by John Wayne with three s’s on exactly where this uh

Supposed Elantra was traveling so does it is it possible there was more than white Elantra cuz because if there’s thousands of them in the general area 90s specifically registered to park but there could you know there hundreds or thousands more I mean if the plate is clearly visible then obviously they would know

It’s the same one but it’s unknown if the plate supposedly the plate could not be visible because then they would have been TR they would have tracked it down so if they can only make out the body style is it possible there’s more than white Elantra I mean

This isn’t exactly a rare vehicle elantas are very popular Vehicles white is also one of the most popular colors of the alantra so it’s kind of weird I mean it’s definitely kind of weird here’s a post by I was a teen guitarist this guy regarding kop

Oh and this guy lived on campus at WSU but worked at the University of Idaho after dying in a dramatic SWAT event even just a little more than a month after this mass murder involving four University of ATO students which occurred within walking distance where kopaka worked why is it

So hard to find out anything about him online about all that can be found are news reports of what happened regarding his threatening his roommates with a firearm and that SWAT shot him dead his name his age and that he’s a military vet who served active duty in

Afghanistan and has PTSD and there’s been Whispers he drives a white Elantra plus his apartment is within walking distance of coburger and the hostage situation began roughly at the time coburger takes off with his father for Pennsylvania Chief fry stated December 8th 2022 we’re looking for the occupants of a white

Elantra one week later kopaka apparently loses it threatens his roommates with a gun gets into a H the situation and is shot dead by SWAT another poster said that they changed their statement to a single person in a white Elantra I was a teen guitarist responded

This is my theory it is not intended to accuse anyone of anything but let’s face it cobber was an easy target if the statements about him being socially awkward possibly autistic is true he’s an out of town unlike nearly everyone else called possible suspects by podcasters online salutes and even

Hinted at by family members one family member suggested some of the early people cleared were cleared too soon coburger is the only one without family in the Washington Idaho area if and only if kopaka had anything to do with this he chose an interesting time to decide to pull out a gun and

Hold his roommate’s hostage I’m not saying he had anything to do with November 13th I’m completely speculating but it’s an opinion not stated as a fact then this coincided exactly when cob Berger’s father showed up in Pullman for the trip across the country what we have

Evidence this trip was not spur of the moment but was planned due to cober’s Mother’s Reddit posts from the summer of 2022 now suddenly cobber is not alone he has a parent around him and he’s about to be around other close family members when he reaches Pennsylvania was there a

Concern now that cobber was face Toof face with both parents he might talk about kapaka another poster it’s a very interesting time to lose complete control and exch change gunfire with SWAT right his obituary said he struggled with PTSD for 16 years but reaches a boiling point at that particular time it’s thin

Right I was a teen guitarist responded was kopaka’s concern he’d have no further contact with coburger for a full month meanwhile for the first time frame coburger would have nothing but family around the trigger would have family around the trigger that possibly set him off that makes sense

Cobber leaving town and kopaka’s feeling vulnerable especially as Idaho law enforcement released the bolo for the white alantra and he loses control koberger gets spooked at the news of the incident unfolding and he bolts out to Pennsylvania out of Poland yeah that’s curious because if they do know each

Other and are somehow connected to the crime in some way the timing actually does make sense there because it’s not just about the murders it’s about uh cober leaving town for whatever period of time possibly never to return who knows but yeah what does everybody think about

That that’s curious timing to say the least so they both have white elantas is that is that kind of weird what was the year if kopaka really does have an Elantra what was the is his Elantra a 2011 a 2013 and coburger was the 2015 also when uh coburger and his dad

Were pulled over they specifically mentioned the SWAT Shooting Incident That’s curious I mean let’s say cobber is guilty or in some capacity you have another Swan shooting death within a weeks of the quadruple homicide within a mile of coburg’s home that’s all coincidental so supposedly the cell phone pings of coburger

Actually when he’s back in pman supposedly it lines up with kopaka’s residence some people are obviously speculating why he would take the path he took it’s pretty weird ew chenne Liz posted this so if I’m understanding correctly kopaka went to the same school as the victims kopaka

And cobber more than likely knew each other and with both of them having mental health issues may have ended up bonding and becoming friends maybe they both purchased and used drugs together in that area so pings around the house prior to the murder I would love to see if they pull

Kopaka’s phone records and see if the pings would match up to cobers that’s a good question maybe they were just High talking about these hot girls that kopaka knew and got mad when they weren’t able to get anywhere romantically with them so they put together their criminology knowledge

Figured they could get away with it if kopaka isn’t involved in some way shape or form I’ll be very shocked you know what’s weird though so what if this is a situation with both of these guys possibly knowing other frat guys or not what if kopaka they they always talk

About dark stuff like murder and koberger thinks kopaka is joking and he asks him how to execute this crime if there’s a falling out or something between the two would kopaka frame koberger when kopaka is the guilty party or what if kopaka somehow convinces cober to go into the house and

Screw around just to scare the girls or the occupants not actually to attack or assault anybody just as a you know a drug induced prank of sorts and it all goes horribly wrong and and uh cerer actually didn’t know any of this was going to happen or vice versa who knows

But yeah it’s just this does open the door I mean the level of coincidence here for kopaka not to be involved is quite High just given the timing and the fact that everything’s been kept so Hush Hush whoa somebody KF Supreme posted a very interesting image here there is a white

Elantra with no front plate right outside kopaka’s residence in a news article with the police tape around it this what he posted this there’s a white sedan with no front plate at the rear of the police car not sure if it’s his but what are the odds of white sedan with no

Front plates at both incidents I think this one is a Honda though they do look extremely similar and they weren’t looking for a Honda Dam the uncleared car next to it has the 2011 to 2013 Elantra style reflectors it’s kind of hard to tell if

The one next to it is white or silver though supposedly there is a silver A Whiter silver vehicle that goes by the body cam footage the night of the murders huh people are stating that koberger might have reached out online to people in the area who were former

Military and that’s how he uh met kopaka hot mess Mom TV posted this does anyone else find it odd that one kopaka was reportedly shot after roommates and residents had already been evacuated from the building two lead investigator for Idaho Brian served in the same Brigade and division of the

Army possibly in Afghanistan together can’t find online records for VA burial for kopaka possibly didn’t use VA benefits or cremation to the family though four it seems like they swept this under the rug and Dishonored a veteran in the process why because they shot the wrong guy and realized it after

Question mark did Brian set him him up to be the Fall Guy then escaped when he saw the walls closing in or did he use him as an accomplice and when Kaka realized that he flipped out disclaimer I’m aware much of this is speculation just like the info law enforcement left

Us with so what else do we have to go on just an awful lot of coincidences I’m sure law enforcement is playing it close to the vest but I’m sure I sure hope they can bring a ton of receipts to show their Prosecuting the right defendant

And went about it the right way since so many things seem off about that PCA and search warrant and the kopaka incident huh his obituary says he died from PTSD that’s weird bright produce 7400 posted I find it very coincidental that they shot and killed him on the very day

That Brian cerg left to go back to Pennsylvania with his father and recently I heard they changed the cause of death to Suicide they say he had a self includ what what wait what huh is that true right produ also posted this bingo I believe kopaka was

Also the tech he was an IT Tech at aaho State University do you know what that means he had access to everything he was security and I do believe he was at the Moscow house before he was in control of pretty much everything in the computer Department meaning software internet

Which could also include pings I believe I don’t know I’m not really that intelligent but there are certain things that I do know and there are certain things that I feel if you don’t want me here to just tell me nobody else wants me anywhere there were two white

Elantas kopaka was referring to roommates maybe he was referring to the roommates at the Moscow house not his roommates maybe the pressure was too much for him and he snapped maybe he knew a little more than we think a few more interesting posts here pork and cheese

Blonde what about the white truck that pulled up into the corner Club parking lot all slow while the girls and Jack were walking by there’s a YouTube youber that has spent a lot of time talking about the truck and the strange movements that night so this guy had an

Elantra and a white truck interesting a response here by several durian there was a whole website with all this info it magically disappeared was scrubbed a few days ago this is from few months ago gone completely but people have screen grabs don’t know but apparently it has

Something to do with the owner of the King house and drugs apparently the other BK involved and possibly knew each other from PA they also said that there was a crashed Elantra on TV in Oregon was also involved apparently It All Leads back to the homeowner that detour to Colorado on the

PA trip leads to a property owned by him also so confusing but I think that’s the gist they implied more than one Elantra was involved that’s why the years are off the army guy is older I believe they mentioned that truck also BK has a truck but I think it’s

Black huh that’s a lot of crazy information so there’s a white truck following the girls in Jack that night so people are also still talking about the fact that fry said that they wanted to speak to the individuals in the Elantra so does that mean multiple individuals are visible in the Elantra

In the ring camera footage so I’m going to leave this episode with this final post here by old wife Tale on Twitter I still think it’s weird that kopaka posted coordinates for San Francisco California and enan H heads there within a day or two another one of those coinky dinks I

Guess and enan hirs of course is the neighbor who said he heard screams the night of the murders and we’ll be going over HS in the next episode because there are so many Curiosities regarding this guy I mean if there is some kind of drug overlap involvement it could make sense

That multiple people know things even though they weren’t necessarily directly involved with the murders but yeah the coincidence stack is quite High wow here’s a post from penguin methods on Twitter he wasn’t awall he was VA disability he C this is regarding kopaka created social media accounts

December 2012 most of them are now scrubbed his LinkedIn says government contract if I Instagram account is legit he followed 137 people including Kaylee conalz and Madison mojan he had 48 addresses linked to him wow one of them was actually a gun shop as well I mean this is kind of

Insane enan Hirsch left the area the morning of the 16th right after kopaka was killed huh that’s weird Dear Sir or Madam responded his whole story regarding kopaka isn’t being told I’ve never heard of a purple heart veteran SWAT death not be investigated some follow-up post I

Always wondered if it was Brent and not Brian coburger who was into Kaylee or or Madison the supposed photo of Madison on cob Berger’s phone could have been a message from Brent wow that’s curious so there’s supposedly a photo of Madison on uh cob Berger’s phone this is kind of weird some people

Are actually claiming that the photo uh kopaka posted of his eye the reflection of a house in his eye they’re claiming it’s actually cober’s family’s house in Pennsylvania was that perceived to be some kind of a threat by koberger is kopaka stating a threat there and that’s why cobber headed

Home that on that I mean that’s kind of weird or is it just kind of a weird post of I’m watching you and your family for whatever reason make sure you don’t reveal anything not necessarily a threat but just I know where you are and I’m watching you that’s really weird but I

Don’t know if it’s possible I I I don’t know if you can tell what that is what the reflection is I guess it could be anyhows very very bizarre nonetheless well this is also weird if you go to jiggo Brady list.com it says the Moscow Police Department is not in compliance with the

Nationwide public facing Brady list or the Supreme Court of us Brady Doctrine or the US Freedom of Information Act or the state Sunshine Law or the open Government Act or the open government initiative or the open government directives wow and this is not a big department they apparently have at least three

Officers on The Brady list and not in compliance with all the wow this is insane what is going on in Moscow Idaho this info also coming from the we the people Twitter account oh there’s actually one more post I wanted to go over the door Dash driver was apparently a

Female so this female door Dash driver supposedly also quit immediately after now that doesn’t mean anything right cuz if if you’re a door Dash driver you deliver to a place that turns out to be a quadruple homicide you might be too scared to ever do that job ever again so

That doesn’t necessarily mean she saw or heard something but it is kind of weird and uh there’s actually what is going on here I mean there’s just so many other issues the neighbor a female neighbor got her car broke into and her underwear left in a cup holder March 2nd 2020

Too this neighbor apparently bought a ring camera after that huh and there yeah there’s so many Oddities of people breaking into C into houses of course all the animal killings in the area all the fraternity and sorority issues but that’s kind of weird there was a parent here names all

Blacked out posted on Facebook the rumor I’m hearing this was immediately after this was November 16th the rumor I’m hearing circulating amongst the friends they are also saying rumor is the stalker didn’t get the girl he wanted it was one of the girls upstairs and that’s why they have fallen off the

Planet nowhere to be found and social media shut down this stalker supposedly hacked the Wi-Fi booby trapped cars and has been harassing them again this is all a rumor amongst the kids up there I don’t know if they’re alleging here that wow that’s that’s a theory we did not go

Over what was one of the other two roommates the real Target huh that’s crazy that’s really weird and that’s why they were hidden away from the public huh h here’s some more rumors from this Facebook parent or alleged Facebook parent it’s rumored Kaylee lets the dog

Murphy out and sees a guy in a tree with a mask on and runs inside and she’s telling the house the two girls run upstairs lock themselves in the room that’s when the stalker guy in the tree walks into the house they say they heard

A few screams and that was it but it terrified them and they stayed hidden in the closet I I guess one can presume they ran and left their phones downstairs again the rumor coming from friends or boyfriends of girls that were upstairs that’s the last thing I heard

Everyone is just relieved to be out of Moscow right now if I hear anything else I’ll share what I think I can friends of them are sticking to the story it was a stalker psycho and he was up in a tree wearing a mask and walked in after somebody walked the dog wow

This is mind shocking information this is from November 17th 2022 does that make sense does that explain why the calls to the police weren’t made immediately cuz if they were that spooked and they left their cell phones does that house even have a landline and if so are there phones in

The other rooms on a landline all very curious huh a few more details but want to be respectful until it’s confirmed one rumor is the bodies were stabbed and mutilated and they don’t want that out it’s so crazy and sad Moscow is the best little college campus on the planet it’s

Hard to believe this is happening also two other girls lived in the house and supposedly hid and were terrified to move until hours later because they could hear their friend screaming again this could be a rumor about a total of five girls lived in that house yeah this is really weird

Because if they did hear the screaming and they were too scared to I mean that actually kind of makes sense right particularly if they left their phones if they were out of the room and Kaylee comes in screaming about the the guy in the tree and they all run and

Hide so the neighbor apparently ALS so the neighbor’s car is broken into there’s all these other reports of break-ins huh there’s a December 1922 press release from the Moscow PD that states that the two that uh at this time in the investigation detectives do not believe the following are involved in this crime

The two surviving roommates the male in the grub truck surveillance video the private party driver who took Kay and Madison home on the 13th the male Kay and Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of November 13th any individual at the residence when 911 was called or the individual on the

Lease who moved out of the residence before the school year started and was not present at the time of the incident there’s also some discussion here from March 24th regarding leaks which may or may not be verified that supposedly the Idaho state laboratory did not find cober’s DNA on

The sheath or any DNA on the or any DNA on the sheath and the first officers in the room didn’t even see a sheath so supposedly they sent the DNA to a Texas company which was the one that found the DNA on the sheath so this was done

Prior well nobody knows when it was really done but if it took that long did they not have his DNA at the time that they alleged they did have his DNA on the sheath I mean there’s a lot of problems here there’s a lot of problems with this case in the timeline

We the People also posted that cerer did not cancel his doctor’s appointment right after the crime so supposedly he had no wounds on him huh it seems like some people have found some social media of uh showing Brian coburger with friends and female friends as well one of them did an

Interview where she stated that Brian coburger was funny and respectful to females so a lot of different information here all right here’s Here’s the final mind shock here because I think my my my mind has already been shocked so much here apparently this is also coming from

Uh the We the People Twitter but they do have a link here to lawandcrime.com this is the lawn crime Live Trial Network he lived 12200 ft from my door driver who brought Idaho victims home the night they were killed is exceptionally glad about suspect’s arrest so the private

Driver that dropped off Gonzalez and mojan lives right next to cerg he’s also the one who sent in the tip about the elant wow I mean this is crazy and let’s not forget the hit and run coincidentally right in front of cober’s apartment as well and we’re about to get even further

Into M shock land he actually also stated the driver spends much of his days shuttling people around town so after the killings he kept an eye out for the white Hyundai Elantra he eventually spotted it at cober’s apartment building sometime after December 7th quote I thought it was too

New he said of the car since Moscow police asked the public for info about a 2011 to 2013 alantra so even he stated it was the wrong body style huh the other thing that’s kind of interesting these are quotes from him they were all nice girls they were

Always polite with me they were happy friendly girls in my opinion there was nothing bad about about them he said they were all good employees at Mad Greek he added referring to downtown Moscow restaurant how did he know they worked at the Mad Greek and why did he feel the

Need why did he feel the need to go out of his way to say that this is way back in January 6th I’m hoping they have an ironclad case the driver said I desperately desperately hope they have this locked down if they let this guy walk it’s a

Shame end quote those are interesting quotes because he’s not saying I hope they have the I desperately hope they have the right guy because that means that the real killer is not out there he said specifically if they let this guy walk it’s a shame how does he know that

This guy specifically is guilty this is a weird interview so coincidentally he lives 12200 feet from Brian he lives right next to cerg now here’s another mind shock this might not be true this is a post from Nicole the door Dash driver also lived by

Cerg odd at the King Road House all at the same time and the neighbors so wait a second wait a second wait a second wait a second is it really possible that the door Dash driver and the Uber driver both live right next to cobber and all

Three of them just happen to be at this house in Moscow on that particular night at that par particular time window anybody find that strange if that’s true I mean this is just all completely insane now the the Uber driver continues working but the the supposedly female door Dash driver quits

Immediately after they all live next to cobber is that really true I mean this is just really really insane I believe that’s enough mind shocks for now in the next episode we’ll be getting into enan harsh and if there are any connections there because there’s also a whole slew of coincidences in that

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Supposedly gunned down by swat at nearby Washington State University area within the area of Washington State University where students live this guy gunned down by SWAT allegedly which is curious in and of itself I mean right around the time after the murders this guy’s gunned down

This guy who supposedly works in the IT department at the University of Idaho who supposedly had their security system down the night of the Idaho homicides all coincidental probably I mean The Coincidence theorists are having a field day with this case there’s obviously way more coincidences that you can shake a

Stick at there’s so many student deaths that are just filed away is not suspicious ious I mean it’s just this whole area is really bizarre and regarding Brent kapaka many believe he has some kind of a link to cob Berger he has cryptic social media posts as well

Which we’ll be going over as well as coincidentally supposedly the guy also has a white Elantra I mean this is really weird this is really weird I mean and this is all just the tip of the iceberg will going over all of this in typical mindshock fashion

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Act in conjunction with other criminals or have accompli or any of this stuff despite the fact that this they’re convicted in court every single day of this some people are so the gullible Goofs for whatever reason they’re just so triggered at any notion of not a

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Dailymail.co.uk this has been reported in uh a few other outlets for those that have a problem with the Daily Mail and engage in genetic logical fallacies but I think this is a pretty good write up by Andrea Cavalier posted March 29th 2023 is Brian cober’s trial in Jeopardy police officer is

Implicated an internal affairs probe that could threaten the Idaho murder case Brian cober 28 is accused of killing four University of Idaho students prosecutors have provided potential Brady jigloo material to the defense related to an officer involved with cobber case cerg is due in court June 26th and

Is being held without bail until then prosecutors disclosed that a police officer involved in the cobber case is the subject of internal affairs probe that could threaten the at home motor trial on Monday a notice of potential Brady jiggo material was submitted to the lat County District Attorney’s office about the separate confidential

Investigation Brady material is information that could be potentially exculpatory for the defense jiggo material is information that could impeach The credibility of of a witness which in this case would be an officer who worked on cob Berger’s case at the request of the prosecution a protective order was granted by lat County

Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall to keep the material which contains Personnel records from being publically disclosed it comes as 28-year-old Coba prepares to St Tri for the November 13th murders of University of Idaho students kayy kavas Madison moin Ethan chapen and z gado a preliminary hearing will be held

June 26th prosecutors have yet to reveal if they intend to seek the death penalty for coburger but some legal experts say that to avoid any issues on appeal it’s better for the prosecution to lay everything out prosecutors are disclosing the material under the obligation of two Supreme Court cases

Brady vers Maryland and jigloo vers United States the state has become aware of potential Brady jiggo material related to one of the officers involved in the above reference case the state wrote in the motion the state intends to disclose the info to the defendant’s council prosecutor said while adding

That information is confidential and exempt from public disclosure braady material is any evidence that could prove the defendant is not guilty Fox News reported jigo material refers to any evidence past or present that could impeach The credibility of a witness The Outlaw reported dailymail.com has reached out to cober’s defense team for

Comment on the development Nama ramani a former Federal prosecutor speculated to Fox News that the relevant material could be related to cober’s case or information about an officer’s that impeaches their credibility as a witness at Co Burger’s trial it could be anything ramani told Fox News digital it

Could be beating his wife that’s a weird thing for her to randomly throw out wow it could be driving fast and he’s pulled over pulling out his badge when he shouldn’t it could be smoking weed did she just kind of list the most common offenses police officers are

Investigated by Internal Affairs for the material will will not be made public because the judge approved the protective order after the motion was filed on Monday Romani also suggested that the prosecutors laid it all out in an effort to avoid any issues on appeal should they seek the death

Penalty in the prosecution’s case you’re thinking ahead okay I got a case wrong you know what I’m just going to disclose everything because I don’t want an appell IT issue down the road ramani said prosecutors have yet to reveal if they intend to see the death penalty for

Coburger who was charged with four counts of first degree murder and burgy and the deaths of Kay Gonzales Madison mojin both 21 and the couple Zaya canado Ethan Chap and both 20 at their off-campus apartment the slangs shock the rural Idaho community in neighboring Pullman Washington where cerg was a

Graduate student studying criminology at Washington State University earlier this week it was revealed that cober’s sisters were both let go from their jobs and his family has been struggling financially since his arrest in December it was also reported that the family has not visited cober in jail but

Have spoken with him on the phone it would be curious what those phone conversations are like is coburger insisting on his innocence is he avoiding talking about innocence or guilt completely or is there something else going on and how much does coburger know reg so if he’s guilty with an

Accomplice or he was kind of used as a py for something he didn’t know was going to be murder cuz I’ve gone over this in the previous episodes make sure you check those out for all the different theories but that was one of the Maguire theories where if cobber apparently he’s hanging

Out at the University of Idaho as well he’s hanging out in the cafeteria staring at people or whatever from all of these accounts but either way he’s hanging out in the area is he involved in the drug scene if so as either seller or buyer was there something going on at

The house which is a party house many allege that it’s a house known where you can score drugs or whatever from whatever parties not necessarily the victims obviously but but from other people in the home either the roommates or other individuals since it’s such a party house wouldn’t it be safer for

People who don’t live there to to do their business there because then it’s safer for them so is it more likely that someone who doesn’t live there simply hangs out there at parties and otherwise and sells drugs from there but doesn’t actually live there either way if there’s some kind of crossover with

Cobber and maybe Brent kopaka or any of these other guys that might be connected did they kind of set him up as saying okay we’re just go score or cell and then they knew that it was going to turn into maybe they didn’t even intend to murder anybody maybe they just wanted to

Rough up some people and scare them maybe they even got the wrong people who knows and then it all spiraled out of control and that’s why coburger if he was even there is like walking up to the door what’s going on and then leaving even if he himself didn’t do anything if

He’s being set up as a pany by either kopaka or somebody else some of these maybe maybe these frat guys or whatever connections to the sororities coincidentally the victims belonging to formerly belonging to the only two sororities that were uh on probation none of the other ones were so whatever

Anyway who knows what else is going on with the fraternities as well all of these to soall suspicious deaths are they related to hazing are they related to something else the drug scene whatever and cerg maybe he really was there but would he really leave his knife sheath there or if somebody’s

Making it look like he did it especially if he really was there would they leave the sheath and then say Oh look that clearly points to him I mean this is just bonkers the level of insanity where supposedly this PhD student is going to be this dumb now if

He’s completely completely insane then maybe but if he has any moome of intelligence you would think this is not the way he would carry this out however if he was either tricked into being there or maybe he wasn’t even there but if he was tricked into being there at

Some point during the night regardless of uh uh whether he was there at the exact time the murders were taking place somebody else could uh implicate him more easier in that situation so again if you haven’t checked out the previous episodes make sure you check them out the family made

One public statement in the wake of the killings quote we will continue to let the legal process unfold as a family we love and support our son and brother end quote they said in January after his arrest we have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to

Seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions end quote I mean that’s that’s a pretty solid statement there they’re not saying he’s innocent they’re saying he he deserves his presumption of innocence as any citizen so that is

Curious that’s curious so what do they know and how much has koberger said and would they say something like that if if they knew coburger was president and being used as aazy and tricked and possibly involved in something illegal like some kind of drug activity but not

Murder and how and if that is the case how much has coburger told them koberger who was pursuing his PhD at nearby Washington State University before his arrest in January is now back in Idaho where he’s being kept in isolation far from other inmates given the depravity of his alleged crimes cobber coburger

Could face execution if convicted of one of any of the murder charges all right all right all right so yeah now who is this officer some allege this is the very officer who is in charge of the case and this is Brett Payne and apparently some alleged that he actually

Served in the military in the same platoon with Brent Kaka and was actually present during this SWAT shootout others believe that it’s more connected with uh the police chief but either way I have no idea obviously this is mind shock where the only thing we know for sure is that we

Don’t know anything for sure I am not claiming anything is true or untrue there’s a lot of Dunning Krueger Goofs leaving comments of course that can’t understand basic first grade English I will say it again I am not claiming anything is true or untrue it’s very simple no need for these gies to

Get triggered I’m going over an assortment of information and theories many of which are mutually exclusive this is the mindshock podcast where we approach everything with logic and Reason Not presuppositions and hallucinations to already know what is or isn’t related what is or isn’t true

Like uh most of the media so here is an article here revealed lead investigator in Idaho murders is a US Army vet with just two years of police experience as desperate FBI ads agents and families grow even more impatient this was uh posted all the way back December 20th

2022 by Jennifer Smith dailymail.com Bret officer Brett Payne joined the Moscow Police Department from the Army in 2020 Payne 32 is now the lead investigator on the unsolved quadruple murder case Kayla Gonzalez Madison mojin Zan carado and Ethan chapen died November 13th they were all stabbed iously while they slept in their beds

Allegedly supposedly that is not true no one has been arrested and police still don’t have any leads in the case so this is as of December 20th 2022 so this is before cober’s arrest the lead investigator in the excruciatingly slow probe of four murdered Idaho students is

A 32-year-old US Army vet who only joined law enforcement two years ago it has been over 5 weeks since the murders in the house the killer remains on the loose and the floundering Moscow Police Department is yet to name any Suspects let alone make any arrests the FBI added

30 extra agents now the lawyer for kayle’s family has told her P told her parents were told yesterday that the man in charge of the probe Brett Payne has been on the force for just two years so he was hired in 2020 as a rookie he has a total of two years

Experience all right kind of weird so he was served in the 82nd Airborne Vision in Afghanistan and this is his first policing job so the 82nd Airborne is supposedly an elite infantry division now that’s curious that’s curious not to get into super super deep conspiracy land but would someone like

Kopaka or even officer pay here more likely to execute this Siege on a house killing four people in the middle of the night is an elite military trained individual more likely to do this than somebody like cerg I don’t know I don’t know I’m just asking questions here and is it possible

That Payne and kabaka actually knew each other were they both involved who knows what’s going on here I mean this is just really really bizarre that’s pretty much the only thing that uh can be uh deduced conclusively at this point other people alleg that if coburger and kopaka acted together and

Koberger really is smart did he perhaps know that the cops were closing in and he set up Kaka to be killed by SWAT feeding them whatever information again this is just what people are discussing I’m not claiming that is true or untrue come with me crime posted this on

The mindshock podcast regarding the uh Moscow murders coverup podcast rving keep it rolling posted this wow I didn’t know about the LinkedIn account this is regarding Kaye kav’s LinkedIn account which somehow disappeared I think Brian being set up and I think DM is involved I think kayy and Maddy had information and was

Talking about it could have been drugs or about the sorority cops had cops but they had some kind of information that got them killed and Dylan may be Bethany involved strange how DM called sorority friends first and didn’t Kaye and Maddy belong to the same one but either left

Or was kicked out yeah a lot of unanswered questions in that direction as well here’s another post from come with me crime I just keep saying normal people with only High School diplomas wouldn’t even make this many mistakes Brian seems to have made them start to finish and

Even left the trail would he really leave so much evidence in his path police caught him with gloves on Etc so would he be that stupid to touch the knife case even once without gloves I don’t know the knife case was spotless for dirt even blood but a tiny bit of

DNA was on it this is almost like the Stephen Avery case where wow and it was found just under a body for me where that knife case was found it was placed deliberately I’m not saying he’s not done this crime but I honestly feel there is more to it good comment from

Come with me crime very objective logical and neutral that is a problem how again unless he’s completely insane but even then I mean wouldn’t he leave even more evidence then I mean I don’t know it’s it’s it’s really weird let’s look at another article here idah murder suspect Brian coburger kept

ID tied to the killings or again is that another planted piece who knows this is an article New York Post Olivia land April 7th 2023 University of Idaho murder suspect Brian cger may have held on to an ID belonging to one of the four killed in the shocking November stabbing

Sources claimed this week coburger 28 was arrested arrested in Pennsylvania December 30th 6 weeks after kavas mojin kado and chapen were murdered in their off-campus home in Moscow in addition to DNA evidence tying coburger to the grizzly scene an unsealed search warrant suggested police found UNP specified IDs

In the glove box of the doctoral students car news Nations reported okay would he really be that dumb to leave an ID in his own glove I mean again we’re going back to is does this look like a frame up or does it really look like this PhD criminology student would make

Every mistake in the book that even you know really dumb people wouldn’t make I mean this is just this is really really weird and is it possible that one of these police officers is actually planting this evidence and does the IIA probe refer to some kind of planting in other cases

Where obviously that would shed some doubt on this case as well and here’s the thing when cops frame people I mean what kind of person would they look to frame would they look to frame a weird psychotic looking guy like Brian koberger because the the the masses would easily believe that he

Could be capable of something like this and maybe he is capable maybe he didn’t do it maybe he killed other people but he’s not guilty for this particular crime but again police want to solve cases they want to be heroes Etc certain ones are willing to bend the law

Obviously there’s no shortage of this I do have the Steven Avery every uh podcast episode on crime lab corruption coming up where there’s literally dozens and dozens of cases where officers uh were involved in switching labels at labs and Etc and these are only the ones that are found out about and there’s

There’s so many of them it’s going to be a very long episode obviously going over all the ones that and these are just the ones that they found out about can only imagine how many other ones there are but if that’s the case here what is going on obviously coincidence theorist will

That there’s absolutely no chance any of this could happen in this particular case regardless of how many other cases it happens in I mean these are silly Goofs but that’s why the mindshock podcast exists so we can examine this logically and objectively it’s a big deal this is a

Smoking license retired FBI agent Jennifer coffindaffer what a name coffindaffer told the networks Chris Kumo of possible discovery which cannot be confirmed due to to a gag order on the case wait so there’s a gag oh she’s a retired FBI agent so she got some kind of inside source just like the knife

Sheath with a smoking sheath found next to moin’s body with his DNA on that clasp how convenient is this the same thing in this situation why would he have an ID related to one of those people from that house that’s a good question because even if he’s guilty why

Would he have that ID coffin daffer appeared on the network alongside trial attorney Mark gagos who surmised that the ID find if true would be bad for coburger I mean it’s a real meeting of the minds here it would be bad if you have an ID in your car belonging to a

Murdered person wow okay the rumor that coburger may have kept ID of someone from the Moscow house emerged shortly after the news broke that police were investigating whether the Pennsylvania native had contacted one of the victims prior to the murders if that’s true why do people stalk they stalk because

They’re feeling persecuted and this is a way they can exact their Revenge coffindaffer told qumo coffin daff’s remark echoed those of former FBI investigator Pete yaket who told the post earlier this year that coburger may have struggled with an incel complex I believe a continued stabbing of a victim indicates an uncontrolled

Rage and extreme anger yaket said referring to the accused Killer’s long history of interpersonal problems at the time of the killings cerer was a doctoral student in criminal justice at Washington State University in pulman just 15 miles from Moscow search warrants unsealed last month also revealed a trove of a trove of

Disturbing items including a gun several knives and a black face mask that investigators took from cober’s parents home following his dramatic arrest coburger who has not yet entered a plea to four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary is in custody in L County Idaho he’s doing back in court June

26th and again let’s not forget the hit and run that happened right outside cober’s apartment that night yet another coincidence I mean how often does an accused murderer innocent or guilty have a hit and run occurring in front of their apartment on the night of a murder

I mean what is going on in this case this is just the most bizarre case ever I went over that in the previous episodes if you haven’t checked those out make sure you check them out okay so on the Idaho murders documentary the ID Network it is mentioned that the white

Hyundai Elantra circled the block three times in the doorbell camera footage so 3:29 a.m. then another two times then came back in the neighborhood a fourth time at 4:04 a.m. then left at a high rate of speed at 420 a.m. okay what does this all mean cuz are people

Trying to in be Inc conspic uous would they do that I mean this is insane especially knowing people have door cam footage or did they just randomly assume if it’s somebody that’s been in the neighborhood multiple times I mean wouldn’t you assume that at least someone somewhere has some kind of

Doorbell or security camera no obviously not everywhere but somewhere somewhere I mean it’s just kind of weird it’s kind of weird now supposedly there’s also supposedly kopaka might have had a white or Silvera or a Lantra as well and maybe it was visible in the police body cam

Footage that night who just so happened to be nearby the house students running by cars all around so there’s a there’s a lot of weirdness in this case obviously I mean there’s there’s just so much here none of it really makes any sense to hallucinate none of it is

Connected to anything I mean that’s that’s a weird thing but you know that’s what coincidence there is too all right so let’s uh let’s look at more info on kopaka here so Veterans Day is November 11th supposedly kopaka’s best friend’s birthday is November 13th the date of the killings is that all

Coincidental so kapaka has posted a lot of cryptic posts here he is a photo of his own eye supposedly in his own eye there’s a lot of people thinking that it actually shows the uh the murder house but it’s kind of hard to tell the We the People Twitter account

Posted a lot of interesting information on kapaka here he’s also got some coordinates posted in California a I don’t know if people are insinuating there’s bodies buried there or whatever so these are posts from March 8th 2023 so or yeah what was hidden in the map you posted 3 to four days before

SWAT I pick question mark Hope Was Your Girl but you felt hopeless why what were you trying to tell us Brent I don’t understand why they didn’t use G ass and flashbangs like they did for a similar incident nearby to take him alive Chief fry was there his voice can be heard on

The scanner talk that night roommates walked outside no 911 call release he had family in Lewis and Idaho there’s investigation to this matter okay so supposedly they were afraid that he would kill his roommates but allegedly his roommates were also outside at the time of his death

So during the scanner call an officer mentions that Brent had thrown things out the window before Brent was killed always wondered why the gun with evidence marker was outside when they said he was in his apartment and there’s actually a photograph here that is a weird curiosity and also there’s a screenshot

Here of this timeline of the standoff from local news with people stand with a lot of people standing outside some people are alleging that those are some of them are his roommates that he’s might have been threatening okay this is all really weird so timeline of the standoff here

900 p.m. start Point 3:00 a.m. tweet from Washington State University 3:47 a.m. fire started building evacuated 4:22 a.m. law enforcement shoots suspect so is there nobody inside at the time he was shot so there is a post here I’m assuming this is a YouTube screenshot this lady says Brent lived

With two female roommates with names similar to two of the King Road victims there is one video on the way back machine website with two of the roommates from the Brent kopaka situation I seen it a month ago now I cannot find it odd that the two

Roommates names of Brent kopaka is Kylie and the other girl’s name sounds like Madison but not Madison I’ll see if I can find that video I mean that that would obviously be a coincidence as well everything is a coincidence in this case obviously there’s nothing that can’t be a coincidence according to the

Coincidence theorists so supposedly this is not Chief Fry’s jurisdiction so people are speculating why huh Chief fry so this is the police chief of the city of of Moscow so some people are asking why he’s dealing with the kopaka situation I mean it’s not that far away

But still I mean this is all really really bizarre We the People also brought up a case the five University of Florida co-eds murders where five students were killed in Florida with a Kar knife most of them sleeping four females one male the first guy arrested was a student but the

Killer ended up being somebody else this was in Gainesville Florida We the People also posted this tweet anyone think it’s weird that there’s no pictures or videos of Brian in Pullman or Moscow not at a restaurant School Festival party bar apartment house Etc the work ID is the only thing

I’ve seen from there dude’s a ghost room rental posted this he had friends and also went to a pool party plus neighbor dude was inviting him over if he was such a recluse that would not happen lots of people I know aren’t on social media so they have no pictures

Floating around some go to public events some don’t like having pcks taken here’s the thing though not necessarily pictures of him posing in the pictures but in the background cuz obviously this is college most college students especially females are posting taking countless photos all the time so

He would be in the background somewhere not to mention security footage of whatever establishments yeah it’s it’s pretty weird so the other thing that people are finding curious is that the vehicle they’re looking for is a 2011 to 2013 Elantra cober coburger has a 2015

Elantra so this is the wrong year I mean it’s not off by a lot but that’s is that a different body style yes it is so the 2015 is the sixth generation Elantra the fifth generation was 2010 to 2014 so wow so that’s a completely different body style in the 2015 I mean

Not completely different but different so you would think that law enforcement were pretty clear with the launcher they were looking for this does not match okay so they’re looking for a 2011 to 2013 so does the 2014 Elantra also have a different body style and then the 2015 has another different body

Style and let’s go into the next Point here because they let’s I mean just as a quick aside here let’s go to Q13 Fox n idah home OTS 90 white elantas were registered to park on campus as cops struggle to find vehicle so those are

Only the ones registered to park on C on campus because those do not include any white elantas registered to private citizens in the exact area driving around those neighborhoods so that it’s 90 that were registered to park specifically on campus so that you would think I mean there’s at least I don’t

Know a couple more if not way more just simply registered to private citizens in the area who are not parking on campus so this is crazy the University of Idaho has 90 white elantas registered to park at the school VI iicle similar to one police are seeking in connection

With the quadruple homicide just steps off campus record show so this article is December 28th 2022 before the arrest by Michael Ruiz Wednesday marked 45 days since the slangs and police are still seeking the car they say was spotted near the scene of the crime on King’s Road early hours of November 13th

2022 on December 7th police announced they were looking for a white Hyundai Elantra from between 2011 and 2013 in connection with this case and as of their most recent public remarks they still have not found it progress continues to locate the white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra believed to be in

The immediate area of the King Road residence during the early morning hours of no 13th authorities repeated on Tuesday investigators believe the occup occupant or occupants may have critical information to share regarding this case the statement did not describe the progress police have said that the Ives

Have been working their way through a list of more than 22,000 similar elantas and have been asking the public to come forward with info okay so that’s curious so so there’s of course the the footage from the clerk showing a white car but there’s also since then information has been

Released regarding the white El launcher that was circling the block or circling the neighborhood several times and it seems like from The Ring footage they were able to deduce that it is the exact body style of 2011 to 2013 otherwise they would have said 2011 to 2015 right because if 2014 and 2015s

Have other distinct body styles I mean of course you know slight differences it’s not a completely different car but apparently the details were good enough for them to specifically state it was a 2011 to 2013 body style Hyundai Elantra not a 2014 or 2015 they ruled otherwise they would have included them

In the ones they were looking for and so that’s kind of weird so coburger has a 2015 Elantra that’s weird that’s pretty weird what does everybody think of that H and what vehicle does kapaka have here’s an interesting post on Reddit from uh pork and cheese blonde I

Was reading the comments of a YouTube video on this guy and someone in there claimed to be a neighbor and said he was holding his roommates hostage because they were accusing him of committing the four murders couldn’t find out if that was true or not but the guy having

Combat experience it would make more sense how he took on four people that night see that’s weird so but why would the roommates randomly if they really believe he’s a murderer why would they randomly accuse this guy supposedly a lot of guns this military guy right in

His face espe I mean I don’t know that seems kind of weird wouldn’t they go to the police with a tip or were they just seeking more info and he snapped and they really did ask some kind of innocent question that maybe even I don’t know I don’t know how obvious they

Were fishing but who knows I mean this is really weird another post there has been nothing said about why he held them hostage and they disappeared none gave interviews that’s curious as well cuz what the hell is going on with these SWAT stand hand offs in all these other

Cases you have you have the people at least some of the people some people on the news immediately I mean what is going on here this is all very curious so here’s an outline here this was made supposedly by John Wayne with three s’s on exactly where this uh

Supposed Elantra was traveling so does it is it possible there was more than white alantra cuz cuz if there’s thousands of them in the general area 90s specifically registered to park but there could you know there hundreds or thousands more I mean if the plate is clearly visible then obviously they would know

It’s the same one but it’s unknown if the plate supposedly the plate could not be visible because then they would have been track they would have tracked down so if they can only make out the body style is it possible there’s more than white Elantra I mean this isn’t exactly

A rare vehicle Elantra are very popular Vehicles white is also one of the most popular colors of the alantra so it’s kind of weird I mean it’s definitely kind of weird here’s a post by I was a teen guitarist this guy regarding kopaka oh and this guy lived on campus

At WSU but worked at the University of Idaho after dying in a dramatic SWAT event even just a little more than a month after this mass murder involving four University of aaho students which occurred within walking day distance where kopaka worked why is it so hard to find out anything about him

Online about all that can be found are news reports of what happened regarding his threatening his roommates with a firearm and that SWAT shot him dead his name his age and that he’s a military vet who served active duty in Afghanistan and has PTSD and there’s been Whispers he drives a white Elantra

Plus his apartment is within walking distance of coburger and the hostage situation began roughly at the time cobber takes off with his father for Pennsylvania Chief fry stated December 8th 2022 we’re looking for the occupants of a white Elantra one week later kopaka apparently loses it threatens his

Roommates with a gun gets into a hostage situation and shot dead by SWAT another poster said that they changed their statement to a single person in a white Elantra I was a teen guitarist responded this is my theory it is not intended to accuse anyone of anything but let’s face

It cobber was an easy target if the statements about him being socially awkward possibly autistic is true he’s an out of towerer unlike nearly everyone else called possible suspects by podcasters online salutes and even hinted at by family members one family member suggested some of the early

People cleared were clear too soon cerg is the only one without family in the Washington Idaho area if and only if kopaka had anything to do with this he chose was an interesting time to decide to pull out a gun and hold his roommate’s hostage I’m

Not saying he had anything to do with November 13th I’m completely speculating but it’s an opinion not stated as a fact then this coincided exactly when cober’s father shows up in Pullman for the trip across the country what we have evidence this trip was not spur of the- moment

But was planned due to cober’s Mother’s Reddit posts from the summer of 2022 now suddenly coburger is not alone he has a parent around him and he’s about to be around other close family members when he reaches Pennsylvania was there a concern now that coburger was face to

Face with both parents he might talk about kapaka another poster it’s a very interesting time to lose complete control and exchange gunfire with SWAT right his obituary said he struggled with PTSD for 16 years but reaches a boiling point at that particular time it’s thin right I was a teen guitarist responded

Was kopaka’s concern he’d have no further contact with cober for a full month meanwhile for the first time frame coburger would have nothing but family around the trigger would have family around the trigger that possibly set him off that makes sense coburger leaving town and kopaka’s feeling vulnerable especially as Idaho

Law enforcement released the bolo for the white Elantra and he loses control koberger gets spooked at the news of the incident unfolding and he bolts out to Pennsylvania out of pulman yeah that’s curious because if they do know each other and are somehow connected to the crime in some way the timing actually

Does make sense there because it’s not just about the murders it’s about coburger leaving town for whatever period of time possibly never to return who knows but yeah what does everybody think about that that’s curious timing to say the least so they both have white elantas is

That is that kind of weird what was the year if kopaka really does have an Elantra what was the is his Elantra a 2011 to 2013 and cobber was a 2015 also when uh coburger and his dad were pulled over they specifically mentioned the SWAT Shooting Incident That’s

Curious I mean let’s say cerg is guilty or complicit in some capacity you have another Swan shooting death within a weeks of the quadruple homicide within a mile of cober’s home that’s all coincidental so supposedly these cell phone ping of coburger actually when he’s back in pman supposedly it lines up with kopaka’s

Residence some people are obviously speculating why he would take the path he took it’s pretty weird ew chenne Liz posted this so if I’m understanding correctly kopaka went to the same school as the victims kopaka and coburger more than likely knew each other and with both of them having mental health issues may

Have ended up bonding and becoming friends maybe they both purchased and used drugs together in that area so pings around the house prior to the murder I would love to see if they pull kopaka’s phone records and see if the pings would match up to cobers that’s a

Good question maybe they were just High talking about these hot girls that kopaka knew and got mad when they weren’t bble to get anywhere romantically with them so they put together their criminology knowledge figured they could get away with it if kopaka isn’t involved in some way shape

Or form I’ll be very shocked you know what’s weird though so what if this is a situation with both of these guys possibly knowing other frat guys or not what if kopaka they they always talk about dark stuff like murder and coburger thinks kopaka is joking and he asks him how to execute

This crime if there’s a falling out or something between the two would kopaka frame coburger when kopaka is the guilty party or what if kopaka somehow convinces coburger to go into the house and screw around just to scare the girls or the occupants not actually to attack

Or assault anybody just as a you know a drug induced prank of sorts and it all goes horribly wrong and Co and uh cober actually didn’t know any of this was going to happen or vice versa who knows but yeah it’s just this does open the door

I mean the level of coincidence here for kopaka not to be involved is quite High just given the timing and the fact that everything’s been kept so Hush Hush whoa somebody KF Supreme posted a very interesting image here there is a white Elantra with no front plate right outside kopaka’s

Residence in a news article with the police tape around it this what he posted this there’s a white sedan with no front plate at the rear of the police car not sure if it’s his but what are the odds of a white sedan with no front plates at both incidents I

Think this one is a Honda though they do look extremely similar and they weren’t looking for a Honda Dam the uncleared car next to it has the 2011 to 203 Elantra style reflectors it’s kind of hard to tell if the one next to it is white or silver

Though supposedly there is a silver A Whiter silver vehicle that goes by the body cam footage the night of the murders huh people are stating that coburger might have reached out online to people in the area who were former military and that’s how he uh met kopaka hot mess Mom TV posted

This does anyone else find it odd that one kopaka was reportedly shot after roommates and residents had already been evacuated from the building two lead investigator for Idaho Brian served in the same Brigade and division of the army possibly in Afghanistan together can’t find online records for VA burial

For kopaka possibly didn’t use use VA benefits or cremation to the family though four it seems like they swept this under the rug and Dishonored a veteran in the process why because they shot the wrong guy and realized it after question mark did Brian set him up to be

The Fall Guy then escaped when he saw the walls closing in or did he use him as an accomplice and when kapaka realized that he flipped out disclaimer I’m aware much of this is speculation just like the info law enforcement left us with so what else do we have to go on

Just an awful lot of coincidences I’m sure law enforcement is playing it close to the vest but I’m sure I sure hope they can bring a ton of receipts to show they’re Prosecuting the right defendant and went about it the right way since so many things seem off about that PCA and

Search warrant and the kopaka incident huh his obituary says he died from PTSD that’s weird bright produce 7400 posted I find it very coincidental that they shot and killed him on the very day that Brian cerg left to go back to Pennsylvania with his father and recently I heard they changed the cause

Of death to Suicide they say he had a self includ what what wait what huh is that true right protu also posted this bingo I believe kopaka was also the tech he was an IT Tech at Idaho State University do you know what that means he had access to everything he was

Security and I do believe he was at the Moscow house before he was in control of pretty much everything in the computer Department meaning software internet which could also include pings I believe I don’t know I’m not really that intelligent but there are certain things that I do know and there are certain

Things that I feel if you don’t want me here to just tell me nobody else wants me anywhere there were two white elantas kopaka was referring to roommates maybe he was referring to the roommates at the Moscow house not his roommates maybe the pressure was too

Much for him and he snapped maybe he knew a little more than what he think a few more interesting posts here pork and cheese blonde what about the white truck that pulled up into the corner Club parking lot all slow while the girls and Jack were walking by

There’s a YouTuber that has spent a lot of time talking about the truck and the strange movements that night so this guy had an Elantra and a white truck interesting a response here by several durian there was a whole website with all this info it magically disappeared

Appeared was scrubbed a few days ago this is from few months ago gone completely but people have screen grabs don’t know but apparently it has something to do with the owner of the King house and drugs apparently the other BK involved and possibly knew each other from PA they also said

That there was a crashed Elantra on TV in Oregon was also involved apparently It All Leads back to the homeowner that detour to Colorado on the PA trip leads to a property owned by him also so confusing but I think that’s the gist they implied more than one Elantra was

Involved that’s why the years are off the army guy is older I believe they mentioned that truck also BK has a truck but I think it’s black huh that’s a lot of crazy information so there’s a white truck following the girls in Jack that night so people are also still talking about

The fact that fry said that they wanted to speak to the individuals in the Elantra so does that mean multiple individuals are visible in the Elantra in the ring camera footage so I’m going to leave this episode with this final post here by old wife Tale on Twitter I

Still think it’s weird that kopaka posted coordinates for San Francisco California and enan Hirsch heads there within a day or two another one of those coinky dinks I guess and enan H of course is the neighbor who said he heard screams the night of the murders and we’ll be going over hsh in

The next episode because there are so many Curiosities regarding this guy I mean if there is some kind of drug overlap involvement it could make sense that multiple people know things even though they weren’t necessarily Direct ly involved with the murders but yeah the coincidence stack is quite

High wow here’s a post from penguin methods on Twitter he wasn’t awall he was VA disability he C this is regarding kopaka created social media accounts December 2012 most of them are now scrubbed his LinkedIn says government contract if our Instagram account is legit he followed 137 people including

Kaye KZ and Madison mojin he had 48 addresses linked to him wow one of them was actually a gun shop as well I mean this is kind of insane enan Hirsch left the area the morning of the 16th right after kopaka was killed huh that’s weird Dear Sir or Madam responded his

Whole story regarding kopaka isn’t being told I’ve never heard of a purple heart veteran SWAT death not be investigated some follow-up post I always wondered if it was Brent and not Brian cober who was into Kaylee or or Madison the supposed photo of Madison on cober’s phone could have been a message from

Brent wow that’s curious so there’s supposedly a photo of Madison on uh cober’s phone this is kind of weird some people are actually claiming that the photo uh kopaka posted of his eye the reflection of a house in his eye they’re claiming it’s actually cober’s family’s house in

Pennsylvania was that perceived to be some kind of a threat by coburger is kopaka stating a threat there and that’s why cobber headed home that on that I mean that’s kind of weird or is it just kind of a weird post of I’m watching you and your family for

Whatever reason make sure you don’t reveal anything not necessarily a threat but just I know where you are and I’m watching you that’s really weird but I don’t know if it’s possible I I I don’t know if you can tell what that is what the reflection is I guess it could be

Anyhows very very bizarre nonetheless well this is also weird if you go to jiggo Brady list.com it says the Moscow Police Department is not in compliance with the Nationwide public facing Brady list or the Supreme Court of us Brady Doctrine or the US Freedom of Information Act or

The state Sunshine Law or the open Government Act or the open government initiative or the open government directives wow and this is not a big department they apparently have at least three officers on The Brady list and not in compliance with all the wow this is insane what is going on in Moscow

Idaho this info also coming from the We the People Twitter account oh there’s actually one more post I wanted to go over the door Dash driver was apparently a female so this female door Dash driver supposedly also quit immediately after now that doesn’t mean anything right

Because if if you’re a door Dash driver you deliver to a place that turns out to be a quadruple homicide you might be too scared to ever do that job ever again so that doesn’t necessarily mean she saw or heard something but it is kind of weird and uh there’s actually what is

Going on here I mean there’s just so many other issues the neighbor a female neighbor got her car broke into and her underwear left in a cup holder March 2nd 2022 this neighbor apparently bought a ring camera after that huh and there yeah there’s so many Oddities of people breaking into into

Houses of course all the animal killings in the area all the fraternity and sorority issues but that’s kind of weird there was a parent here names all blacked out posted on Facebook the rumor I’m hearing this was immediately after this was November 16th the rumor I’m hearing circulating

Amongst the friends they are also saying rumor is the stalker didn’t get the girl he wanted it was one of the girls upstairs and that’s why they have fallen off the planet nowhere to be found and social media shut down this stalker supposedly hacked the Wi-Fi booby trapped cars and

Has been harassing them again this is all a rumor amongst the kids up there I don’t know if they’re alleging here that wow that’s that’s a theory we did not go over what was one of the other two roommates the real Target huh that’s crazy that’s really weird and that’s why

They were hidden away from the public Huh here’s some more rumors from this Facebook parent or alleged Facebook parent it’s rumored Kaylee lets the dog Murphy out and sees a guy in a tree with a mask on and runs in inside and she’s telling the house the two girls run upstairs lock themselves in the room

That’s when the stalker guy in the tree walks into the house they say they heard a few screams and that was it but it terrified them and they stayed hidden in the closet I guess one can presume they ran and left their phones downstairs again the rumor coming from

Friends or boyfriends of girls that were upstairs that’s the last thing I heard everyone is just relieved to be out of Moscow right now if I hear anything else I’ll I’ll share what I think I can friends of them are sticking to the story it was a stalker psycho and he was

Up in a tree wearing a mask and walked in after somebody walked the dog wow this is mind shocking information this is from November 17 2022 does that make sense does that explain why the calls to the police weren’t made immediately cuz if they were that spooked and they left their

Cell phones does that house even have a landline and if so are there phones in the other rooms on a landline all very curious huh a few more details but want to be respectful until it’s confirmed one rumor is the bodies were stabbed and mutilated and they don’t want that out

It’s so crazy and sad Moscow is the best little college campus on the planet it’s hard to believe this is happening also two other girls lived in the house and supposedly hid and were terrified to move until hours later because they could hear their friend screaming again this could be a rumor

About a total of five girls lived in that house yeah this is really weird because if they did hear the screaming and they were too scared to I mean that actually kind of makes sense right particularly if they left their phones if they were out of the room and Kaylee

Comes in screaming about the the guy in the tree and they all run and hide so the neighbor apparently ALS so the neighbors car is broken into there’s all these other reports of break-ins huh there’s a December 19th 22 press release from the Moscow PD that states

That the two that uh at this time in the investigation detectives do not believe the following are involved in this crime the two surviving roommates the male in the grub truck surveillance video the private party driver who took Kay and Madison home on the 13th the male K and

Madison called numerous times during the early morning hours of November 13th any individual at the residence when 911 was called or the individual on the lease who moved out of the residence before the school year started and was not present at the time of the incident there’s also some discussion here from March

24th regarding leaks which may or may not be verified that supposedly the Idaho state laboratory did not find cober’s DNA on the sheath or any DNA on the or any DNA on the sheath and the first officers in the room didn’t even see a sheath so supposedly they sent the DNA

To a Texas company which was the one that found the DNA on the sheath so this was done prior well nobody knows when it was really done but if it took that long did they not have his DNA at the time that they alleged they did have his DNA on

The sheath I mean there’s a lot of problems here there’s a lot of problems with this case in the timeline We the People also posted that coburger did not cancel his doctor’s appointment right after the crime so supposedly he had no wounds on him huh it seems like some people have

Found some social media of uh showing Brian coburger with friends and female friends as well one of them did an interview where she stated that Brian coburger was funny and respectful to females so a lot of different information here all right here’s Here’s the final

Mind shock here because I think my my my mind has already been shocked so much here appar this is also coming from the We the People Twitter but they do have a link here to lawandcrime.com this is the lawn crime Live Trial Network he lived 1,200 ft from my door

Driver who brought Idaho victims home the night they were killed is exceptionally glad about suspect’s arrest so the private driver that dropped off Gonzalez and mojin lives right next to koberger he’s also the one who sent in the tip about the elantas wow I mean this is crazy and

Let’s not forget the hit and run coincidentally right in front of cober’s apartment as well and we’re about to get even further into M shock l he actually also stated the driver spends much of his days shuttling people around town so after the killings he kept an eye out

For the white Hyundai Elantra he eventually spotted it at cober’s apartment building sometime after December 7th quote I thought it was too new he said of the car since Moscow police asked the public for info about a 2011 to 2013 Elantra so even he stated it was the wrong body St

Style huh the other thing that’s kind of interesting these are quotes from him they were all nice girls they were always polite with me they were happy friendly girls in my opinion there was nothing bad about them he said they were all good employees at Mad Greek he added

Referring to downtown Moscow restaurant how did he know they worked at the Mad Greek and why did he feel the need why did he feel the need to go out of his way to say that this is way back in January 6 I’m hoping they have an ironclad case

The driver said I desperately desperately hope they have this locked down if they let this guy walk it’s a shame end quote those are interesting quotes because he’s not saying I hope they have the I desperately hope they have the right guy because that means

That the real killer is not out there he said specifically if they let this guy walk into shame how does he know that this guy specifically is guilty this is a weird interview so coincidentally he lives 12200 feet from Bri he lives right next to cerg now here’s another mind shock this

Might not be true this is a post from Nicole the door Dash driver also lived by cerg odd at the King Road House all at the same time and the neighbors so wait a second wait a second wait a second wait a second is it really possible that the

Door Dash driver and the Uber driver both live right next to coburger and all three of them just happen to be at this house in Moscow on that particular night at that par particular time window anybody find that strange if that’s true I mean this is is just all

Completely insane now the the Uber driver continues working but the the supposedly female door Dash driver quits immediately after they all live next to cobber is that really true I mean this is just really really insane I believe that’s enough mind shocks for now in the next episode we’ll be getting into enan

Harsh and if there are any connections there because there’s also a whole slew of coincidences in that direction hope everybody found another edition of Mind shock True Crime interesting and informative in the Idaho murders case series if you want to help support the podcast help get more mind

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