You stop using spirituality as a if you’re prejudice just say you’re prejudice if you’re a sexist say you’re a sexist if you a racist say you’re a racist if you’re homophobic say you’re homophobic stop using your Spirituality Jesus is in trouble half five somebody say he in trouble look on the other side say that’s why I’m in trouble too he’s in trouble because he won’t conform to their expectations he refuses to conform to their agenda he shifts the power Paradigm he rejected oppressive structures he advocated for a
Kingdom where the first shall be last and the last shall be first send Jesus to pilate to do what they don’t have the backbone Roger to do on their own touch your neighbor if you want to do dirt you might as well have some backbone touch
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Dirty come on after the Closet in his book shaping the claim Dr Marvin mcml asserts that instead of using Biblical characters as models of how we should live we should use them as mirrors of how we actually do live the truth of the matter is we don’t want to be like pilot but we really are
The truth of the matter is we want to stand up for justice but we get scared the truth of the matter is is that we want to let Jesus go free but we are worried about political expediency we’re worried about being put out we’re worried about being talked about we’re
Worried about being ostracized pilot reminds us that every M day we are called to answer the question what will you do with Jesus CU there are lots of folk who claim to follow Jesus but their ideals and their IDE ideology and their practices and their conduct and behavior
Are antithetical to the Jesus who was tried before Pilate the Jesus who stood before pilot spoke stroke spoke truth to power the Jesus who stood before Pilate confronted religious leaders and Roman leaders the Jesus who stood before Pilate was not silent in the face of Oppression the you stop using
Spirituality as a if you’re prejudice all right folks Dr Gina Stewart the lead pastor at Christ Missionary Baptist Church out of Memphis became the first woman to preach at the National Baptist convention joint board session last month folks were commenting on social media uh a lot of people said they were
Pleased to see that they were posting Clips then all of a sudden for some reason the recording of her sermon it was streamed mysteriously disappeared from the National Baptist convention’s Facebook page now they claim that it got hacked but the problem is nobody else’s sermon was deleted now the sermon we
Found it on the church’s YouTube page um Dr Gina Stewart joins us right now from Memphis glad to have you uh on the show uh my wife Reverend Dr Jackie Hood Martins uh had sent me a text about you preaching uh and then when uh I saw all
The brewhaha I said you might want to go back and see what see what happened and she actually said that was photos that were posted uh she had sent me because apparently um was it was a Facebook somebody posted on Facebook Facebook that uh some of the ministers walked out
When you came to the podium did you see that happen uh first of all let me let me thank you uh Roland for this invitation and for the opportunity to share no I did not see it um I heard that there were persons who walked out during my preachment and also prior to
Me getting up to preach but I did not see it myself so um now I also understand that the sermon is back on the Facebook page but I was also told that at the end of your sermon you preached about the need for the church to respect uh black female preachers but
Apparently that’s missing it’s my understanding that the sermon has been edited uh I’ve been traveling since I preached there last week and so I have not had a chance to go and view it myself but if you’re talking about the basically the part after the celebration where I was really in trying
To encourage the persons who were in attendance to practice what Dr Katie Cannon calls emancipatory practice which is is after we hear a a sermon we should look for ways to trace out liberating strategies to live out that world live out that word and so I was naming some
Of the things trying to provide some concrete examples of how we can not only support women but how we can be on the side of Justice um particularly as people of Faith why do you what’s now look you have some folks who are so old school They believe that the
Bible said that women cannot and should not preach uh I always get a kick out of that uh because if anybody actually reads the Bible uh uh when when when Jesus came back all the dudes had left they left they left before Jesus came back all the guys left so when
Jesus came back he was like where the brothers at and it was only women there and it was the women who then went and told everybody hey uh brother man came back and told the story right yeah so Jesus first of all Jesus models an egalitarian Ministry Jesus was
A friend to women Jesus affirmed women Jesus stood up for women Jesus empowered women women women supported the ministry of Jesus and so when we look at Jesus as a model we see that Jesus ministry was egalitarian and in all of Jesus interactions with women Jesus was always
Looking for a way to not only neutralize the power of sin but also to relieve those persons not just women but all people from oppression now when you talk about scripture and what the Bible says what I’ve discovered is that if people are looking for a reason to justify a
Position which is part of what I was leaning toward or trying to allude to in my sermon that we can find a verse uh even if we do it in terms use isog jesis to justify our position or our subjugation or our oppression of other people but when we read the biblical
Witness we find in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament that women have always been used by God and that Jesus was certainly a friend to women an advocate how long have you uh been preaching um legally since 1989 but I actually started speaking in churches
When I was about 18 years old so that would be close to 40 plus years uh I take it that you have had to endure uh a whole lot uh from some of the uh rabbit fellas uh when it comes to being a woman of the cloth standing In a Pulpit and
Again let’s be real clear a lot of these people they ain’t got they don’t have a problem with women serving in church right so they ain’t got a problem with women counting the money uh being the usher in the choir so all these other but oh no you can’t stand in the Pulpit
So I’m sure you’ve had you you’ve got some quite interesting stories oh yeah yeah myself along with you could talk to any woman in Ministry and you would find that all of us have interesting stories because and and and of course in in my tradition uh which is Baptist Baptists
Have historically been um if you will conservative as it relates to whether or not women can preach there are even people that make the delineation that say well a woman can preach but she can’t pastor and I’ve been pastoring close to 29 years and you would not even begin to imagine
Some of the things that people have said uh to members of my church over the years male and female when I was initially uh called to Pastor people said they would people would tell my members that they would go to hell because the the pastor was a woman uh
I’ve had people to join our church excited about being a part of the ministry but because some authority figure in their life uh misinterpret scripture or Miss applies scripture and makes them feel that they are out of the will of God they have left the church
Because of that so when you talk about the stories that could be told uh yes I have stories but there are hundreds of other women who are trying to fulfill basically trying to fulfill the call of God on their lives that have encountered resistance uh subjugation marginalization invisibility and what we
Saw and an example of what we saw with what happened to my sermon uh and although I don’t really know what happened but when it was deleted it was a form of eraser erasing uh a woman’s voice as my uh hus Professor Dr Courtney bugs and I were talking yesterday this
Is eraser because if it’s not there it does not exist and so yes to answer your question yeah we we have plenty of stories to tell we we don’t even have enough time to talk about the stories uh and the incidence that we’ve experienced I mean I’ve I’ve been invited to um do
Words of comfort and this has happened as a pastor I’ve invited and you it has happened a while ago but I’ve been invited to do words of comfort as a pastor for members of my church who invited me to come and have words of comfort and there have been pastors not
Me not many but a few who have called me in advance and said uh I haven’t taught my people yet about women women in Ministry so I just want to ask you when you come if you’ll sit in the audience and not come to the pull pit that happened to me as a
Pastor I I remember I remember um I when I joined the Church Without Walls uh we were visiting uh another church uh and we leaving church uh and Jackie says oh uh I got to stop by my place I got to change clothes I was like
What you got to change clothes for uh well uh this church doesn’t allow pants and I was like I guess we ain’t going visit that church I said we have to give Pastor West our uh our and so then so then she started telling me about something that
Happened at this church where um they all came in and again Pastor rapy West he was he was senior pastor Brook C Baptist Church Church Without Walls but at this particular Church uh one of the deacons I one homeboy decided to go off he was like she can’t sit on the front
Row and then she and then and then she and then so then the other pastors from church of d wall says uh brother this is Reverend Jackie Hood she’s the education Minister and she tells me that he that he puts his hand in her face and he’s
Looking over here and says I don’t care who she is she can’t sit on the front row and so then the other sisters in the church uh made room for her to sit on the second row and I said let me be real clear if that ever
Happens and I’m there you might as well go get some bail money I said cuz a Deacon gonna get his ass whooped that’s exactly what I said I said I oh I don’t play I said I’m telling you right now I said go get some bail money cuz a deacon
Is going to get beat down at the front of the church if he put his hand in your face in my presence I’m just letting you know how this G to go down so what happened well did she leave oh no but no she sat sat the second row cuz P again
This this is before we got together this before we got that okay oh oh no no let’s be no the story would not have ended that way uh if I was actually there at the church but it’s it’s that kind of insanity uh that that that to me is just
Is just beyond stupid and and even in this case here uh and I’m having my staff checked right now in the control room because I want to know if the end got cut and if so that to me is grossly offensive uh that they they would do
That and what’s even more offensive to me is the hiding behind if you going to cut it be a man and come out and say it right but don’t sit here oh we got so you got hacked now everybody else video up but that one video came down come on
Now see and and and and and that’s the other deal for me if you’re going to be big and bad enough to do something on it but don’t try to hide behind the pulpit when you get called out publicly yeah and and one one of the things that I’ve
Been saying um is is I I think that what I hope this moment will do is create these kinds of teachable moments that we’re having where people are really having the discussion and really dis talking about what it means uh to to experience Injustice whether you are
Woman whether you are same gender loving whether you are uh people of color oppression is oppression and oppression is real uh it just so happened in this particular instance that what happened happened to me as a female or a woman but I’m hoping that this will lead to a
Larger conversation about why the symptoms of what we saw with the removal of a video exists because when we’re talking about our symptoms uh what we really need need to address is the system the systems that continually contribute to the oppression uh the marginalization the invisibility of
Women and other oppressed groups and one of those things one of those systems is patriarchy one of those systems is sexism one of those systems is misogyny the these are the larger issues that we often don’t really want to talk about because when we bring those up much as
When we bring up racism people think that we are complaining that we’re fussing that you have a complex and all those kinds of things and yet these are the systems that are deeply embedded in our in society in culture and in our churches and the tragedy is that uh they
Go on without impunity uh as you said that that Deacon pointed his finger in your wife’s face unapologetically uh thankfully Dr Ralph West and his staff stood up for her but in a lot of instances that does not happen for women um I uh because so all so all this
Went now have you heard from Dr Jerry Young the president of the and so what did he say to you he he apologized and he informed me that he would never do something like that that uh the same thing he said publicly in the convention
Is what he said to me that they believe that it was hacked and he said that he had friends with the FBI that he had considered contacting but someone advised him that he didn’t need to contact the FBI I’m sorry um if hold up see right
Right hold go ahead go ahead go ahead he would and someone adved him to contact the FBI I mean to contact uh Facebook and what I said to Dr Dr Young is similar to what I’m I’m still advocating and that is I said to him I appreciated his phone call and I thanked
Him for his apology but I and and he was saying I would never do that and I said but you must realize that because of the appearance of what occurred perception is reality and that it did not appear to be a coincidence but it appeared to be a
Targeted incident where the only female who preached um my sermon was removed I also said to him that I believe this could be a pivotal moment for the convention because there are many women who serve in in that particular convention and that that question the woman question still needs to be
Addressed and what I tried to encourage him to do and in my comments to him in terms of his apology with that was that this is a pivotal moment this could be a teaching moment this could be a moment of Liberation for the convention a moment of Liberation for uh the women
That serve and serve diligently who give their money who serve and and not just for the National Baptist convention because we know uh that the needle still has has not moved very much many there are many more women that serve several women have been elected to serve in
Pastoral leadership and women are begin people are beginning to consider women but the numbers there’s still a great dis arity and so what I what I said to him was this is this could be a very pivotal moment if we really want to talk about this let’s talk about this in ways
That we can address why this needs to stop happening and not why it happened but why it needs to stop happening well and what we’ve seen we’ve seen in the Southern Baptist convention how they are pulling back uh how they are uh literally um telling women don’t you
Dare call yourself Reverend uh in fact uh that’s what happened uh to uh Reverend Jackie she was one of the top teachers at Lifeway uh okay and they literally told her you have to you take take Reverend off of your website do not refer to Reverend and or we are going to
Uh stop allowing you to be a LifeWay instructor uh and I remember FR Reverend uh Fred lutter who later became head of the Southern Baptist convention he said to me that he said oh whenever she was teaching her class he said we all flocked to her class uh he said I
Remember being in the class uh but that’s what the Southern Baptist convention did uh and and the only only thing I can give them credit for is being honest yeah I mean they they they were upfront about it uh and uh you know that that has caused a serious problem
Because you’ve got uh a a number of uh a number of women who they made it perfectly clear uh we don’t we we don’t you not going call yourself a reverend you’re not going to call yourself a pastor uh and and that’s been again they want to return it to being a very
Conservative uh uh convention and the reality is that is causing friction numbers are dropping uh the fastest growing part of the Christian church today is non-denominational folk not wanting to align with these denominations and all of the archaic rules and and and to to piggy back on what you’ve said the other fastest
Growing population is the nuns the non Affiliated people who are not affiliated with any kind of church or denomination uh because people see the hypocrisy uh and I think I don’t think people expect us to be perpect people expect the church to be perfect but they do expect
Us to be honest expect us to be authentic expect us to be realistic even as we are struggling to um think about how we want to practice Christianity and how we want to live out our lives as Christians particularly those of us who claim to be followers of Jesus of
Nazareth some of y’all in the YouTube chat got me laughing y’all sitting here saying Roland I can’t believe you sat there and cursed uh with the preacher on the show first of all in the words of Reverend Dr William Barber ass is in the Bible
Y’all know I ain’t got no sense so look uh I ain’t the one with uh papers look uh uh Matt Matt Matt like I know he Ain just do that I did uh but I know homo would have got beat down just letting y’all know right now put your hand in my
Oh it would have been on in that church it would have been some Holy Ghost dancing going on i’ been tap dancing on his head all right y’all let’s go with our questions uh let’s see here who shall go first uh let me see who likely go to church Church probably not Michael
We Know M a heathen so Kelly you first um I’m sorry that that threw me for a loop Reverend thank you for coming on the show thank you um my question to you is um a little personal CA um I actually haven’t been to church in a while I
Correction I haven’t had a church home in a while specifically because of church politics um I grew up in a mega church I saw how they treated my mom and family upon you know divorces and other you know interf family things and uh the hypocrisy that you mentioned I’ve
Definitely been witness to quite a few things so it left a bad taste in my mouth not saying I’m any less Christian but I’m really um Discerning when it comes to a church home um so my question to you is regarding women in the pulpit in general um because that’s another
Thing my mom was a minister of Music I’ve seen her on the pulpit many times um both as a music director and a musician but also as a preacher how do you encourage and help other women reconcile the church politics and frankly what you had to deal with just
Last week by way of what we’ve been talking about how do you reconcile the church politics and and the gunk so to speak with with the pure faith that you have and the call that God has on many women’s Hearts to come to a Pulpit that that’s a long question and a
Good question and I’ll I’ll try to give you my Cliff version yeah yeah praise the Lord yes the cliff no version Kay with the eight part question yeah I think I think first of all do have to recognize number one and and I’ll I’ll kind of share out of my
Own experience when I was making a decision to go into Ministry uh I was aware of some of the resistance that I would encounter not necessarily from my uh Pastor because he was very affirming of women but because I knew that our denomination was was conservative toward
Women and I knew that there were people who would not necessarily embrace my calling but what I had to do do was spend a some time a season of discernment uh spend some time in a season of prayer to get this green light if you will from God and EV and of
Course after even talking with some of my one of my mentors one of the thing she told me was no one can uh clarify your calling no one can validate your calling that’s something that God has to do but she did tell me act on what you
Have been told to do and what I decided to do was act on that yes and I accepted my call to Ministry uh at the age of 29 and here I am at the age of 63 and while there have been challenges I would I
Would I’m glad that I said yes uh as it relates to the politics I think we have to realize that churches are spiritual organisms but they’re also made up of human people that and those people work with us on their jobs they work work with us on our jobs they’re in our
Sororities they’re in our fraternities and we have to recognize that people are not where it does not yet appear what we shall be but we are all on a trajectory of growth and people mature at varying stages and at varying places I don’t know that you can get around politics
Because wherever you have uh a a group of people uh politics is going to shape in some way shape that organization I think that what we have to be as leaders and what I’ve tried to be as a leader is a leader of Integrity a leader of
Transparency a leader who tries to be objective in my dealings with people and be fair to everybody and try to make sure that our systems are integrous and that there’s accountability and that we’re answerable to someone including the pastor is answerable to someone so that we do not create those kinds of
Experiences that cause people people to say what you know what uh when I was growing up they used to say baby just stay out the office if you stay out of the office and what they were really referring to if you can if you can stay away from the politics of church that
You would be fine but you really cannot be involved without experiencing some of that and um so I think one of the things we have to do is realize that we’re dealing with human beings who have shortcomings not to make excuses but we also have to realize that people yeah
Just fact I mean I don’t I I don’t care I mean the the look listen the church the club the The Fortune 500 company uh I mean you can sit here and and and bring up any organization where regular ordinary folk are there you going to find drama you
GNA find all of that uh and Trauma I mean I mean yeah drama trauma you goingon to have all of that sort of stuff and for and for the Simple Simons out there uh who are sitting here uh at ask the black church uh the biggest not unique to listen listen the Southern
Baptist convention a report was done showing all of the Freaks and the pedophiles and the sexual abusers in there and let’s not talk about uh the Catholic Church uh and and all of the nonsense there so let’s just be real clear right there all right and and can
I add can I add Roland that I think the other thing has to do with expectations and and whenever there is a discrepancy between expectation in reality disappointment occurs we go into a church we have this expectation that it will be different that it will just be
Joy to work with the Saints and that everybody loves Jesus and everybody uh is is going to be uh above board that people are not malicious that you won’t encounter any of the things we encounter on our job but that is not the reality the reality is is that the same people
That we work with on our jobs in these other spaces are also in our churches indeed uh Matt first I want to say uh Dr Stewart you notice that Roland talking about me but he talking about fighting Deacon alawishes Jenkins in the church so put your put your hand in my wife’s
Face I’m letting you know what’s going to go down youing you know what well we we’re grateful that you are willing to defend your spouse that’s ass sure oh I’m listen due to my wife my sister my mama I’m just letting y’all know somebody gonna get smacked just letting
Y’all know I’m hey you said be upfront and honest I’m being upfront and honest I’ve been in federal court all day let me just say not guilty Rand just don’t make any admission in any event Dr Stewart um thank you for joining us and thank you for your leadership my father
Is actually a Baptist pastor in Austin and he’s had women preach in his church but one of the things he and I talk about often when he talks about his church is that the issues with membership I mean the average age of people in his church are you know
Elderly and he doesn’t have a lot of young people coming to the church even in a big city like Austin so my question to you is what are you finding as a Cory with women being put in prominent uh positions in the church like yourself pastoring a church are you finding a
Correlation between how many young and new people you’re able to bring into the fold and keep them there if women are prominently in leadership I I think it depends on on the context um I’m in the South and um I had one person to tell me uh who had
Moved their membership that they moved their membership because uh they wanted to see more men in leadership and what I said to them was I don’t think you wanted to see more leadership you wanted to see you probably wanted to see your husband probably wanted to see all men
In leadership but because but because I believe in an inclusive kind of church the body of Christ that when male and female bring gifts children seniors young adults Etc then inclusivity should be uh what is I try to practice inclusivity and so um as it relates to
The way that I lead women and men lead at our church uh and we’re trying to train children to grow up to lead we give them space to lead we try to create space because that’s the kind of environment that I was raised in I didn’t as in my church environment uh I
Did not become an adult and start serving in churches and giving being get and and given opportunities to lead I was given those opportunities to lead and to nurture my gifts from the age of 10 when I was baptized up until I began to accept my call to Ministry and then
Later went into the pastor so I think a lot of it has to do with the I’m saying that to say I think a lot of it has to do with the philosophy of the pastor and that pastor’s Ministry philosophy I operate from a philosophy of inclusion which means that I’m always
Trying to be intentional about making sure that everybody in the congregation is represented because when people come to a congregation they need to see themselves if a woman goes into a congregation and she doesn’t see anything but men in leadership that should be a red flag before the pastor
Says anything it should be a red flag that this may not be a place where my gifts can flourish because what we who we put in leadership says a lot about what we think about the people that we are inviting to serve our values that’s right thank you doc Michael you’re
Welcome all right Dr J Stewart I guess Roland said he was saving the Heathen for last but even though I don’t go to even such sustained even though I don’t go to a church physically I do attend um uh services online uhuh bide bapti Village the African village out of uh Atlanta
Georgia you were doing that before Co yeah before Co yeah y b side B back to 201 going back to 2010 what’ you say rer won’t let you stay the case gone he always does that come on bedside Baptist Church come on bide Baptist so in your January 23rd speech you said I
Think the larger issue is how has patriarchy how has misog mogor and sexism uh to the symptoms and the kinds of practices that we see and then right before the break you said that this can serve as a moment of Liberation and you talked about women being oppressed in
The church what was the response from pastors from ministers male pastors min Etc when you talked about this can serve as a moment of Liberation and women being oppressed in the church what was their response to those statements well I didn’t make that statement directly in
My sermon I was saying that I would hope that this the way that the sermon has gone viral that this could be a moment this could be a wated moment a turning point for the church to examine some of his practices and and and and even in
Other spaces that we examine our practi in terms of the way that we treat not only women but other uh oppressed and marginalized Li groups now I will say that one of the things that in addition to the way that this sermon has gone viral and just been on all kinds of
Platforms has been the way that this message has resonated with male and female with men and women uh there were as many men um complaining about the sermon being taken down as there were women and I found that to be all inspiring and humbling uh at the same
Time because typically you find that women will will come uh to the defense of women but in this particular case it it appeared to me as I and as I have received text messages and messages of encouragement from people on social media uh in my direct uh folks are dming
Me on Facebook it has been men and women who have been uh affirming this message and and I’m hoping that that will continue you know that this this this will not just be a one time moment but this be a movement that we will really begin to try to be like Claudia because
At the end of the day what I was really the the the question of the sermon was what will you do with Jesus of Nazareth and the question pointed to the fact that the Jesus that we preach about was a Jesus who was on the side of the
Oppressed a Jesus who spoke truth to power a Jesus who did not tolerate corruption a Jesus Who challenged people a Jesus who was a friend to women what will we do with that Jesus well there was a woman who spoke up for him and I believe that that is a part of our
Charge that as we represent Jesus we speak up for Jesus in those spaces where we see those kinds practices taking place we’re talking about not just what we do on a Sunday morning but what do we do or when a a sermon is proclaimed but what happens after the benediction is
Given after we have shouted after we have danced after we have spoken in tongues or whatever and rejoiced and and celebrated all of the rhetorical Artistry and the homiletical genius that we love so much in Black preaching at the end of the day how will we live our
Lives what will be our way of being in the world as people who follow Jesus of Nazareth and how will we practice our Christi Christianity what has been a blessing has been the response of male and female and even young people and children right all right then well uh
Rend Stewart I appreciate it thank you so very much um so are you a deacon roller no I’m bootleg you what not I’m bootleg I’m bootleg I’m bootleg I mean I’ve done bootle in preaching or bootlegging Deacon no no I’m I’m bootlegging preaching I I’ve I’ve I’ve
Done a number of churches in fact probably like seven straight years I did uh P Reverend Kenneth wham’s uh men’s month uh and so yeah so I have uh I’ve I’ve been his Pulpit uh rever Jenkins uh at at uh First Baptist Glenn arton churches in Chic if I invite if I invite
You to Memphis you’ll come oh I’ll come but you gotta write my wife first she got papers I can do that she got papers okay she she did all that Seminary stuff she got papers I ain’t doing I ain’t got time for all that you know one of the
Things one of the things that’s important to me as you talk about inviting women and I know my time is up but is no your time not up I I own the show oh okay is the stewardship of my Ministry and and one of the things that’s important to me is opening doors
For other women so um and that’s another example you know a lot of times you’ll see a flyer and you’ll see one woman and you’ll see three men but but on my flyer you might see three women and one man there you go uh because I believe that
Stewardship of this influence and this great gift that I’ve been given is not only a responsibility I have but it’s something that I am accountable to God for so yeah I would probably invite your wife first that’s fine right I I ain’t got a problem with that I ain’t got a
Problem with that I’m good I I tell you what you know cuz see nor she when she get ready for a sturing she go like into a cocoon and be sitting there like the be like books all around I’m like man what you doing I’m get preparing for
My sermon I said when’s your sermon she like in three weeks I’m like three weeks like what you doing so she’s taking her assignment serious she I’m like man that’s just so she got she got long live Reverend Jack she got mad at me because
I I did a church I did three I did three servic in Chicago so we in the car she like what you going to talk about like I ain’t decided I’m like I ain’t decided so I’m I’m sick I don’t write teach es so we sit we sitting in the pope Pope
And they already introduced me and the choir singing and so I just I grab my Bible open it up I see a scripture cut that sucker in half come up with the title and I knocked it out in about 40 minutes and she was like I can’t stand
When you do that I said I I said baby don’t hate the gift so you you both have different sermon methodology I said don’t I said don’t hate the gift don’t hate the gift what you shaking your head for Matt don’t hate the gift [Laughter] I can’t hear you
Mat he’s muted B your on mute y’all y’all got mat turned down listen they said Mike look they said you what you say Matt Now Matt you on mute I don’t know what’s going on well bottom line is listen that’s how I roll uh and so
Listen God gives me to a whole different way but that that that cocoon stuff I like girl that’s way too much for me uhuh I can’t I uhuh no that’s too much for me listen Roland everybody’s methodology is different I know I know but like I like I I just tell her don’t
Hate the gift yeah uhhuh sorry okay I appreciate it got it you got it like that okay all right hey hey they like he gave it to me I’mma use it all right that’s right I appreciate all right let me know when I’m coming to Memphis all right all right I appreciate
It thanks a bunch
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