He Welome back to another episode of the male perspective I am your host Lana Reed and today today is an amazing day I get to sit down with another one of these phenomenal men of f Beta Sigma fraternity Incorporated today I have with me Dr Corey ston he’s assistant
Professor at morouse College have some phenomenal work that he does and I’m looking forward to sharing some time with him today but first and foremost as I always do sir I take a quick moment to pause and say thank you to you for making time for me today time is a gift
Thank you thank you for having me and connections and Patty for like connecting us that’s great you know yeah time is a gift once we give we can’t get it back so welcome to the show and let me get started because I have a short
Amount of time with you let me open up and ask how long have you been a sigma man and where did you pledge uh I’ve been a sigma man since 1995 so that’s going on what 30 years oh season man English major so it’s somewhere in there but I I can’t do the
Math but it’s close Okay um at zavier University in New Orleans um I owe that school so much in my development growing up HBCU but also that particular HBCU uh was my training ground it was where I I feel like I grew up there so are you are you a New Orleans person
Your second line my mother picked that school and said you were going here and I went I don’t want to go to I don’t even know I’m St Louis Missour fact so that whole second line thing was new for you huh everything was new to me I mean it was a whole
Different world the culture the people um I was not a very good student so I think the the requirement was you had to have a 3.0 I had nowhere near a 3.0 but my mother begged them to please let my boy in and they went okay we’ll let them
In on probation and I saw black people that I had never just a just intelligence that I had never been exposed to and it took me a while to understand because the women it’s a 13 to1 ratio so the women kicked me out the study groups they did um and I stayed in
The girls dorm just trying to see what and I got a reputation for don’t even mess with him heon be long but eventually I I figured out that you’re not nobody’s talking to you because you’re not doing any work so I started to do my work and my motivation I
Realized I had a brain and took off from there but it was that experience really shaped it molded me Xavier was like a wonderful experience so I love it I love it and I love the transparency as well well I have to tell my students I have
To let them know that hey I was not I the light bulb did not come on for me till late in my college career so I think I I really thank them for working with me and giving me opportunity after opportunity to figure out that I could
Do this that’s great you know and I think a lot of uh incoming college students or that transition from high school to college need to hear that because sometimes we’re told if it doesn’t happen like right away like you’re a failure but sometimes it just
Takes a little longer for it to click on you know so we need that we need that that little motivation but let me ask you this one Sigma question and then I’m get into your um the work that you do because I’m really curious about some of
The stuff that you got going on but I dug really really really really deep in your Sigma history and found a gy of information about you uh oh there’s gyms there’s Jewels there there’s Jewels about you on the internet and and five Beta Sigma so I want to ask
You what is the 1914 club and how are you connected to that okay um the 1914 Club is a club that I really I really looked rounded what was going on in the fraternity and I think it was in South Carolina or another state that had a
1914 Club but they were doing something different and I really wanted to focus on the colate students like college students don’t have any money they they save all their money to go through the process and decide which organization they want to be a part of and then
They’re broke so it’s hard for them to be a part of the conferences it’s hard for them to go to get the training to to really understand how the organization works so the 1914 Club was started to help students financially be able to go through go to conferences in the
Fraternity but also to to to award some scholarships you know just to be a part of these great organizations you have to be you know you have to be excellent right you have there’s got to be something about you that says you know you you really are about academic
Success and so I wanted to facilitate that I wanted to grow that within the organization so the 1914 Club was just a matter of you know having the older brothers the seasoned Brothers chip in so that we could support our Collegiate Brothers as they go through and graduate
Awesome yes indeed and it’s still going and I’m I am really amazed that it is still going strong after I think I was the Collegiate director and then I became the state director and then I I took a break and I came back and it’s still going so I am really I’m really
Proud of that much needed that yeah at the college financial struggle is no joke it’s no joke well let me go ahead and start picking your brain uh because when I saw that the work that you you do um you know I was really like oh yeah
Okay this is the guy but um part of your academic work is on cultural trauma right and um quite often I run into folks with in our community and outside of our community to say things like you know 1619 was a long time ago we’re here
In 201 for let’s get over it you know it’s over and done with and I’m always puzzled by that perspective because so what I want to open up with is could you explain cultural trauma and how we are still in 2024 still experiencing how how does it manifest itself sure sure um
Let me start by kind of giving you like a broad definition of trauma in general because I think a lot of people use it and not sure what they mean but trauma is really just an overwhelming event it overwhelms the psyche and a lot of times when that happens your body your mind
Can’t deal with what’s going on and it will repress it so this is why we talk about when you lose a loved one it’s a traumatic experience because oftentimes you can’t deal with it and some people try to go through their day acting like it didn’t happen and it affects other PE
And then all of a sudden the smell will bring will bring back the memory of that person and then they’ll relive the loss right or um a rape victim right the idea of repressing that event to the point where they don’t even remember it happening and they get hints of it as
They live and they realize wait a minute when this happens I freeze and I don’t know why it’s because the the mind has repressed the event and so it’s a it’s really a way to kind of deal with the unimaginable the unthinkable and so that’s what trauma is and when we talk
About cultural trauma we’re talking about a major a lot of people from a par particular ethnic group that have experienced the same overwhelming experience so a good example of that might be 911 uh when 911 occurred many people know where they were what they were doing and time almost stopped so there’s
This experience that many Americans have felt over 911 that brings back particularly those in New York that bring back smells will bring back the occurrence in the event and so people experience it together it’s a communal trauma and people can relive those experiences well I myself and a lot of
Other um colleagues are realizing that slavery racism those are also cultural traumas that people experience generationally communally and they get passed down from one person to the next and so what you I think the the the pre-eminent scholars on this um I think some of them started with dealing with
The Holocaust and recognizing how uh people who had survived the Holocaust their genes their DNA had changed because of the experience so it’s genetics it can be transferred genetically well if you transfer that to slavery and in that experience then you get some of the same experiences that
People are doing things and they don’t know why but it’s something that’s been passed down Generation generation to generation in terms of uh cultural experiences particular particularly with racism um not NE slavery too but often times it’s a particular event it’s not just the condition
Of if that makes sense I’m H well let me ask you um this because you know across the globe we’re experiencing immigration in many countries and here and that’s no different here in the United States so what we have is a lot of our African brothers and sisters that are now
Immigrants here in the United States and when they arrive they realize that uh one they’re black and uh they’re exposed to a lot of the oppression and racism that we have historically experienced does that manifest itself as cultural trauma to them as well or not do you
Think it won’t be the same okay because that experience is not the same being being born of and from this place there’s behaviors that you learn and you’ll see the difference between somebody that is born in New York versus Mississippi and where to go where not to
Go how to speak how not to speak all those things almost become lived experiences that shape people’s behavior and the trauma shapes how they deal with those things so we may deal with it differently but it’s still trauma those that are coming from outside that experience it won’t be the same they
Will have their own experience their own traumatic experience and I think people look at trauma as this very unique experience and it really isn’t trauma is something that every human being is going to go through the loss of a parent is trauma the idea of that food that you like that suddenly
Gets taken away can be traumatic for a child right so trauma takes on a lot of different forms and a lot of experiences one trauma may it may have an effect on one person in terms of slavery but another person it doesn’t have the same effect it’s like U again I’ll use rape
Because it’s probably um the most known trauma it affects people differently some people have it occur to them and they’re able to move right past it others they are continuing the cycle and they can’t get out of it and so it just it just affects people
Differently yeah you know I was born in North Carolina and as a young girl there were counties that you know you were told we don’t go there we don’t drive and here today in 2024 even though I know there’s a change I still feel discomfort you know so there is a line
And there’s something I was thinking about this the other day is that um in being in Georgia there’s the mountains there’s all these cabins and places that you can go that I just don’t feel comfortable going I will go but the idea of going to this cabin in the mountains
And I have to pass Confederate flags I have to go into these spaces that I know historically have not been welcoming to me those things still play in my mind and I don’t think people recognize they think slave like you said some people think slavery is over with
And done with how do you feel this because I’m carrying the history of yeah what has occurred in these spaces that I I don’t get away from those things so even though we can say those places are now open to us I still feel like a
Two-headed person when I walk into a bar in Rome Georgia and there’s nobody there but white people I’m gonna feel a certain way yeah especially you know being a black man and we know that still here in this country that um you know I think after George Floyd and there was
The Uproar it wasn’t even like a week later that it happened all again so we’re still not you to we’re still not at a safe space so we’re but any let me move on because I I I wanted to pack this all in I was just so excited I was like
Um expanding on the cultural trauma thing uh when I first started going to bise many decades ago the country bise uh one of the things that I encountered was that black people in bise fall into two pockets they either have um Spanish Latin last names or they have British
English last names and the story that I was told was that uh the ones with the Spanish last names were the ones that when the slave ships arrived at the shore um they fought back and jump ship and integrated with the locals and created families and that’s how their
Lineage developed Spanish last names whereas the ones with the English and British last names they stayed on the slave ships when the they got to shore they became enslaved they kind of accepted their lot in life and so there was a subtle current of Pride and
Hierarchy and you know my people so and it always reminded me of stories that I hear continuously about us in the United States about because we lost our name we still kind of have this psychological trauma kind of thing is is there something going on with our name and and
The L you hear it play out um the opening scene of roots with kunin is is that really impactful to us too and our identity it is it is and it’s it all comes back back to where you lay your hat um because you can get you can move
Beyond trauma and the way that you often do many people have to is that they have to re situate themselves and see themselves in a different way so for example with the rape victim it’s the idea that they no longer see themselves as a victim they see themselves as a
Survival and that means something different they’ve re-calibrated they’ve replayed or Reen narrated what has happen to see themselves as a survivor of and so that that idea of a victim it it’s very debilitating so to kind of see yourself in a different perspective that helps a lot so you will find of course
In in the Americans people that will change their name to connect with the continent of Africa and if that works for them that’s great there are other people that I don’t need to change my name right but there’s some connection there’s some relationship ship right to
Where they can kind of create that sense of belonging to say that I can be African and American or I can come from these two and not have to uh switch or take one and not the other but it’s something that it’s a self-reflective process it’s like you have to figure out
What makes you comfortable where I have where I find difficult are those people that have that want no affiliation with Africa right that is like I don’t know how you do that yeah but there has to be and everybody’s kind of have to deal with for themselves how you move Beyond this traumatic
Experience and situ situate yourself in America and be okay right to redefine that and you know I think that America has what is America without African-American music what is it without black you don’t have an America without black people yes so there is a I think there’s a a valid
Argument to be made about the connection to this space and this place and being proud of it but at the same time being able to take it to task for its indiscretions for its past and its F it’s present and where we seem to be going in terms of the racism doesn’t
Seem like we we’re not ready white people we’re not getting yeah we’re we’re not we’re not making concrete progress you know it’s like two steps forward and five steps back um absolutely absolutely focusing on us as a black community um especially when it comes to cultural trauma I I
Feel like some of the things that hinders us is when it comes to the intergen intergenerational intersect because um I I can tell you about Grandparents great-grandparents I’m not talking about it I’m not discussing it I you know I don’t I’m not it’s not going to be addressed and without addressing
It it’s very very hard to heal so when you consider the younger ones that are coming behind us you know you want them to be as healthy as possible do you see some sort of way out of this for us to heal oh boy that smile oh my um I do see
A way but it’s gonna take a lot of work it’s like reprogramming someone who’s been brainwashed and they don’t even know it um I I know this might seem minor to me but or minor but my students now will will take a passage from Martin Luther King and we’ll dissected and in
Their writing it’s Martin Luther King freed us from uh freed us basically he freed us and they don’t even address him as Martin Luther King or Martin Luther King Jr it’s MLK so there’s like this I don’t know what you call that but it’s just like where’s the respect yeah
Yes where’s the understanding that Martin Luther King didn’t free us from anything that’s not but that deification in media and how people have project people are drinking the Kool-Aid because it’s the only Kool-Aid to drink and with you know the Eraser of black history from educational programs I’m afraid we’re going to see
More of that if more institutions HBCU aren’t stepping in which I think they will a lot of students will be coming to HBCU because of what’s going on in the education system um but it’s right now I feel like I’m a Star Wars fan I feel like we’re in The Empire Strikes Back
Where Darth Vader and and re they they are winning the Empire is winning right now and I’m hoping we’ll come back and return to the Jedi and do some damage but right now it it’s it’s it’s everything that’s happened with the Supreme Court and and the laws and political situ yeah it’s
It’s looking not real scary scary yeah I you know you mentioned Martin Luther King I think what was it two years ago I was on social media and I saw some flyer social media post for a Martin Luther King party and they had him yes with the the and I was like oh
My gosh if he was here oh my God nothing is safe nothing is sacred and it’s not even a matter of being sacred because we can we can critique him um but it just seems like there’s no no real the Nuance is missing and that’s what I feel like has to come back
Is people take the sound bite and they don’t go deeper to recognize what is really being said here what are we really talking about can you really say slavery is a choice come on like no but or it it it benefited it benefited or benefited African-Americans like that
There’s no Nuance in that at all there’s just it’s a sound bite and and it so yeah and that’s our society so it’s not just black people it’s again it’s it’s an American problem that we have in terms of just being able to drill down Nuance experience and sit with things
And really take them apart analyze them I think everybody wants to do it really quick fast and a hurry to Brea yeah that’s what you know and it’s so scary because some of our younger black folks are kind of like as you said drinking a
Kool-Aid I I remember what was it in the news a couple months ago or six months ago when I heard that somebody tried to torch Martin Luther King’s house I was like okay had to be a white person had to be and then the news house oh
Like you you just you don’t even understand the Legacy in that like if you had some issues with him his principles his platform okay I get it but to that’s where we’re going and and what’s the purpose what’s the goal oh we yeah we got work to do but
And like you said the HBCU are coming into play and I see a lot of black folks that are you know taking on the task of homeschooling because our history is not being taught in um the educational Arena so hopefully we will we will get there
But um let me segue to the HBCU thing real quick before I I get you out of here um what is the benefit of the HBCU experience the benefit of the HBCU experience there are so many um and there’s some drawbacks I we have to admit that um the benefits though
Are learning in an environment that allows you to fail where it is about you as an individual and not your race you don’t feel the pressure of raceing here now it really is about your willingness to do the work you’re GNA have to take this racism off the table because that’s not
An issue where in a p it could be the issue you know and the idea of constantly being the only one there’s a pressure that comes with that that you don’t get in an HBCU so I I think a lot of students think that they are the
Unique one the only one and they get the HBCU and they go oh it’s a whole bunch of a whole bunch we try the same thing of that that acceptance that under that cultural understanding and that’s what I think HBCU give that no other school can
Give no you know that that is special that is I don’t think it can be duplicated now this a whole another show if I tell you what what we got to work because pwi are really starting to go we want you to we want all of y’all
And maybe it’s a money thing or not but it’s working because they have the amenities they have the research one institutions they have a lot of the things that will give them that foot in the door that HBCU are oftentimes struggling to just to give them that
Next step so we’ve got to work on that those endowments got pour some funding in pour some funding in um another concern that I have when it comes to not just the HBCU experience but the the college experience the higher education experience um and this parlays into a
Book that you have our English composition um I’ve had the privilege of talking to a lot of brothers on this show who are Educators in the K through 12 uh environment and one of the things that they’re continually expressing to me is that kids are just not
Academically up to par you know um so because you are a professor in college do you see this new generation of incoming this is my next article this is my next article I see what has happened and transpired in K through2 has now infiltrated into college what you saw in K through2 is
That at some point they said just as long as they turn in the work the whole semester they can have the whole semester as long as they turn it in at the end of the semester they’re fine and so they get to college and they’re like
Okay that’s what I’ll do and they are not prepared so when I tell them the due date is Monday and they show up a week later here it is and I’m like I’m not taking it that’s a zero their response is you mean I did all this work for nothing
I’m not going to say you did it for nothing but the due date was a week ago they’re expecting because they put in the effort they’re going to be rewarded as opposed to you didn’t do it when it was supposed to be done so the effort
Means nothing if it’s not on so yeah there’s some huge disconnects they don’t the basics are missing but a lot of the things that are happening in K 12 now you’re finding professors that are starting to B and have those types of rules in place and I
I can’t I can’t do it and this is from just colleagues from around just in higher education in joural a Chronicle higher education a professor decided that you know she would let the students decide when they would turn in all their work and I guess that works for her but
I think there’s something to be said for deadlines there’s something to be said for hey there’s here are the hard and fast rules you got to do it by this time if you don’t there’s consequences yeah so I see a lot of what has happened in K22 education is starting to creep
Into and my students I have them writing journals that’s one of the first things that they write is that they were not they wish that K through2 had prepared them more for the rigidity the strictness the deadlines that were expected for them to meet in college
That they didn’t have in high school wow you know you you always think of especially my generation you think of college as like the bridge for adulting 101 so there’s so many life learning lessons that you’re you’re supposed to get and not even understanding the concept of deadlines like yeah those are
The I and I I I try to tell them look I I I failed calculus three times with the same professor and she she liked me she smiled at me she did and she still failed me yes yes and it was like how could you like me and still F because
You didn’t do the work or because you just don’t maybe this is and it was at that moment that I realized she finally asked me do you like this and I was like no then why are you doing it because my mama made me what do you want to do I
Like English change your major I Chang my major and things I’m an English Professor okay had she just passed me had I just been able allowed to do what was expected and not what I really wanted to I don’t know where I would have been but I don’t think they see see
Those and those are hard lessons to learn but for a lot of them that is not and that’s just not it’s the one thing I think that students learn is how to how to fail and be okay right and live and recognize that yeah it’s gonna hurt but
You will live another day and that I don’t know if a lot of students are getting that yeah because you know I guess we’re hearing over and over again in k312 we’re just rewarding you for just just showing up just hey just I don’t want to deal with the parents I
Don’t want to deal with we’ll just move you along and hopefully if you take your education serious maybe you’ll figure it out but I know I didn’t figure it out I didn’t figure it out luckily I had the opportunity to fail enough and have the light bulb come on before it was too
Late and those doors were closed to me gotta now there are students that those doors if you mess up too much those doors are D you’re not getting in that’s unfortunate have the uh students at morous recovered from the pandemic or they back on track or um I think we’ve recovered in terms
Of uh community in terms of trying to get things back to normal but in terms of mindset I don’t know I think we lost a lot in in that time that we were away um I think students are now coming in these are students that were what
They were like maybe what a fresh when Co hit or something like that so we’re still getting those students and I think it’s just a ripple effect wherever they were in Co they didn’t get that part that year so I know I’m doing a lot more
Re mediation in English 101 and what’s a noun what’s a verb what’s an adjective because either they didn’t get it or they haven’t seen it since third grade and I think you need those skills wow so it’s it’s yeah it’s it’s different it’s different okay okay they are I mean
Don’t get me wrong morous has the the Brilliance um but you’re you’re talking about the the task of morous is to take all of these students from all these different educational just these all these places that some of them were excellent some of them were not so excellent and and bring
Them in and get them where they’re supposed to be gotta okay understood understood so just before we uh started today I I I briefly an article where I think it’s Dartmouth was reinstating SAT and ACT is uh does the standardized test testing of impact incoming students at
Mor house or it does oftentimes we will use um standardized testing for placement um and I don’t think it’s necessary this is just my opinion um there are better ways to indicate whether a student standardized testing is not the way but for a lot of colleges and universities
It’s an easy way okay right okay and then we can figure it out later but there are a lot of things we’ve got to fix we we we gave up on remediation we gave up on all those because parents got mad they were like I’m paying for a
Class but I’m not getting credit for yeah because you’re he’s not ready yeah put them in a calculist one class and he needs some preal but we got rid of those and we we kind of need to bring those back but that’s neither that’s going to be a
That’s going to be there what what all colleges and universities are struggling with okay well last question before I ask you my random question um you Professor people tend to be very stressful for college students especially the young ones the freshman’s coming in you yes just Trimble in their
Boots when they see you so um if you had to give some advice to especially to some incoming freshman about how how to have a fruitful relationship with your professor and make your college experience very rewarding what what advice would you give them breathe breathe I think so some are
Wrapped so tight that they can’t I gotta I gotta I gotta breathe and the second thing that a lot of students just don’t do talk to your professors get to know them they’re human beings get to know them when you EST establish those relationships that’s that’s really how
You get through I mean it’s it’s hard to to you want to help those you don’t want to fail anybody so the idea is that when you see a student that’s struggling and they’re willing to come to your office hours and get the help that they need
You’re going to give them everything you can to make sure that they can get over that that difficulty that they’re having but if you never come to me if you don’t care I can’t care more than you and for a lot of students it’s like if if you
Know you’ve got a 65 average you probably need to see me you don’t want to see me because you see me as the 65 and that’s not me right it’s not me it’s we got to work on this together and that takes both of us I can only go so far I
Can only ask so many times and I think that might be the beauty of HBCU is that professors are willing to pull the students coils and say hey hey I am come see me they don’t come see you that’s on them but at least we we’ll make that effort
To say hey this might be what you need to do so I would tell them one to breathe and two establish that rapport with their professors it’s something that I I remember it took me forever to do that to really get to talk to them and recognize them as people and not
Teachers like they got a life they do things yeah and the more you see that you start to see how all of this works that this is just this is a human Endeavor and we’re all learning right I’m still learning I have mentors that teach me stuff all the
Time yeah HBCU you have an extended family of aunties and uncles who just happen to be your professors right yes yes yes I love it I love it I love it so let me ask you my random question and then I will release you from my
Pring let’s see what we’ve got for Dr statting if you had to give up your phone for a week which app app would you miss the most oo that I would miss the most I’m app that I would miss the most I wouldn’t take it all take it all
Your students don’t email you and I wouldn’t miss that one I would definitely not miss that one give me because my students have access to me 20 they don’t have my the my phone number but they have this this app called remind app so anytime they
Have a problem they just hit me up but if I could get rid of all of that and nobody could reach me oh my goodness oh so they have no reason to be lagging behind if they can reach you at all times and that’s what I tell them it’s
Like you have no excuses I don’t want to hear I didn’t know yes you did you could have said hey Dr ston is this because I’m not sure you could have done that and they don’t but yeah take it all take it take it all take it all technology
Yeah I am definitely a fan BR rot it it just so yeah you got to go back Humanity I love it I love it so if we were to be down in the Atlanta area and we wanted to uh peek in on one of Mr what what days do you teach oh this
Semester I’m teaching a world lit class at one o’clock which is an awesome class uh we are where are we now we just did Genesis and went over the whole story of Genesis and now we’re looking in the Gilgamesh and it’s it’s awesome discussions that we have students are
Like no it’s not it’s this way and this like it could be that way but it could also be this way can we look at it from different perspectives and so we had great discussions for the first time many of them have never heard Maggot Brain from Funkadelic so I will play
That and I want where does your mind go there they’re so used to being told how to feel and how to think but when you just listen to music that has no words and now you have to participate with it takes them someplace different and I say that’s what literature often times it’ll
Take you places different if you allow it so I teach Monday Wednesday Friday one o’clock um and I do two uh English composition courses at 8 and 10 so they’re they’re working on the fundamentals writing and the kids oh I shouldn’t say kids they’re they’re young
Folks they stay off their phones oh they don’t have a it’s it’s one point off their final grade if they should text or start smiling at the crotch while while we’re lecturing no no we don’t no this is this is school time we G to do this
And if you do need to use your phone go outside as if you’re going to the restroom handle your business there and come back and then we can we can work but I don’t answer my phone you don’t answer your phone we are good I love it well Dr State I have
Truly truly enjoyed my time with you today if I have more time I would I would truly pick your time about this this cultural trauma you know my folks is just um you know I’m stuck in between generations and I’m always like you know you think like that that’s really how
You and then I’m the young kids I’m like that okay but so anyway I say if I could just my mom was the one that kind of helped me figure out that’s what I wanted to do for my dissertation because ultimately I just looked at it as black
People are dysfunctional and that’s not a good way to look at that no and she was like I don’t think you mean dysfunctional and I had to to think about it and she made me really again the Nuance what are you really getting at and what I was getting at is this
Traumatic experience yes it’s kind of put a lot of people in this revolving door and this cycle of and that’s what I was trying to get at and so that led me to trauma and so I’m looking at Tony Morrison’s Works in trauma awesome awesome beloved right beloved right yes
That’s my so that’s my my dissertation and now my mentor Dr lus is is is pushing me to write a book and I am I am come on I’m yeah I that’s a lot it’s intimidating because but again I have to have mentors that I look at and go wow I
Want to be like that when I grow up so she’s pushing me and I’m I’m I’m moving there you go one paragraph at a time one paragraph at a time awesome awesome so I’ll keep my eye open for that and you know it’s very important the work that you’re doing because especially within
The black community I I think a lot of us don’t realize that I do this because my mother did this and because her grandmother did this and because her great-grandmother this you know and you you really need to start to unpack all of that yes um so yeah got to know the
History gotta know your well sir I appreciate you uh imparting into the minds of our young folks and our future um getting them educationally ready for this world um I I appreciate everything you’re doing especially with the cultural trauma and I appreciate you for your time today so thank you thank you
And I appreciate you keep doing what you’re doing I truly appreciate it I know we need it we need it so much so um yes keep doing what you’re doing thank you so much that is all for this week’s episode of the M perspective I’m your
Host Lana Reed and I will see everybody next time
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