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Pray it doesn’t stop right may it be multiplied to you uh a million times over we we really do appreciate your generosity um to say I’m excited about uh my my guess today would be an understatement I uh have known about this man and uh been following his
Career for a little bit for a little a little bit um he got hired by ESPN in 2004 I first got exposed to you on um Around the Horn I am a huge Around the Horn I I’m a I’m a huge Around the Horn uh uh Parton the interruption guy right
I used to fill in on PTI yep yep so um uh that’s where I first heard about you uh and then in 2016 uh you moved over to uh FS1 uh Fox Sports and there was a little bit behind that move that that made some papers I
Don’t know I I I I only I only start asking questions when I’m with a person I do not read everything I do not believe everything that I read in the news um uh but you wounded up at uh uh Fox Sports and uh on another show what
Was what was cuz I’ll tell you what happened when I left like I don’t know if some people thought I got fired or whatever the contract wasn’t renewed but my contract was up okay at ESPN they offered me a new contract but they wanted me to stay
Strictly in a reporter’s role so not be on shows like I used to do uh first take before Stephen A became the permanent I would be on there with skip y uh I did outside the lines I did PTI I mentioned and and then sometimes in shows like
That your opinion can come into play yeah for sure and so they wanted me strictly in a reporter’s role sideline reporting reporting breaking stories and things like that and FS1 wanted me as a personality and an analyst yep so they hired me as an analyst NBA analyst on all their Studio
Shows and I got a weekend radio show when I went there so it developed into a daily radio show that I couple and then FS1 developed into a daily TV show first things first but they gave me the opportunity to become more of a commentator SLP Personality yeah which
Was what I wanted it’s like in the old newspaper days you had beat writers which is what I did for newspapers and then you had col columnist wrote their opinion beat writers wrote the news wrote the game stories all that y I was what my move
From ESP into FS1 was the equivalent of going from being a beat writer to a columnist except it was on television I love it and radio versus writing yeah that’s so it wasn’t fire there was no fire there they wanted me to stay there
And all that stuff so n it was but it but it was a great move God bless man God I couldn’t be more Happ couldn’t be happier so you you get over to FS1 um uh fir first take is a not first take first things first first things first first things first is
A Dope Show I love the chemistry between you and Nick and the other dude Kevin Wilds yeah Nick writing Kevin Wilds yeah yeah yeah love Kevin but I love the chemistry between you and Nick right that’s my personal opinion I love it no I appreciate it and and
Um uh that that’s the so if you if if you recognize his face that’s where you recognize him from okay um but as you can see on his sweater there there is something that this man represents that’s deeper than just amen the stuff that you see on television uh this is a
Man of God who has really A discipleship Factory like th this dude just manufacturers disciple disciples he he he he’d be the the Detroit of manufacturers as it relates to discipleship making uh uh you founded an organization called King uh which is an acronym for knowledge inspiration and
Nurture through God and um it’s literally helping um countless men all around the nation it’s not just in one place there’s chapters that are literally strategically placed all around the nation this is your first time on the show yeah hopefully not the last no definitely not and so um I want
To introduce to some and uh present to others for the first time but not the last we just got that on on record Chris brousard is in the building ladies and Gentlemen let’s [Applause] go Hey listen I said he’s in the building but we’re actually in his house
In my building right in my in his own building this man trusted us complete strangers in his Housey and not like a shed in the back that he converted into a studio we in this man’s doile thank you so much for trusting this man so grateful that that you’re
That we’re here with you n I’m welcome man and you and I you know we talk briefly before you know getting on the mics and um you know look I’m and we’ll get into all this I’m sure but I got saved at 21 and when I meet Christians
Yeah you know after you talk a little bit and you see they really serious about the lord they’re trying to live for the Lord I feel an immediate Bond me too right I feeling me so so you and I I mean when we were talking downstairs it was like we knew each
Other for long but I feel that Bond yeah now that’s how all Christians should feel because Jesus talked about us like a family that’s exactly right yeah yeah yeah yeah we’re all brothers and sisters under God right and so I feel that bond with you and it’s funny because
Sometimes I’ll say you know I’ll be talking to people maybe a player you know and something like that and I’ll say oh yeah I hear you you so you’re a Christian you know and sometimes you know if they’re like oh yeah yeah like like the attitude is like isn’t
Everybody like that you know then I know okay that Bond I don’t feel it yeah yeah for sure absolutely when you really trying to serve Jesus as Lord yes sir there there’s an immediate bind and I’m and I say that without fail whether the person’s white black Hispanic whatever
The race whatever the gender y if they’re really trying to serve Jesus Christ I feel a bond like yo I’ve known you for like we we brothers and sisters brothers and brothers whatever absolutely so yeah man um but welcome to the house man I’m glad y’all came out
And I’m looking forward to to the podcast well bro I I I have um what you just said resonate with me deeply uh after being a Believer for almost 28 years I I have concluded that the body of Christ is the greatest fraternity and sorority that you could ever be a part
Of I have I have been dropped off in Malaysia and there’s a guy with a sign that says Tim Ross English is his third language he speaks it better than I try to speak Spanish and it’s my brother right I land in Singapore right and it’s my sister I land in South America
It’s m ermanos EAS like like you know what I mean like I get to the UK it’s just like there is no time space or distance it’s like once you and and to your point once that once you recognize that Cadence and that sound it’s like it’s the difference between cth and C
The the Old Testament they have to pronounce it and if they had that lisp they knew y’all ain’t really from here you know what I mean and so it’s the same thing when you when you meet another believer you know if it’s like yeah you know him as Lord as opposed to
You like him as Savior you know what I mean you’ve been rescued you’re just a church goer yeah yeah you’ve been rescued you’ve died you have picked up your cross right there two different things that’s absolutely right so yeah that gets me super hype man oh yeah and and that’s
That’s the power of the kingdom of God for sure like that’s what Jesus was really wanted to establish that if you had can you imagine if all the people that name the name of Jesus felt that way oh my God that’s my brother that’s my sister so you treat them like family
That’s right that’s I mean that in and of itself says a tongue can you imagine if the the I’m just going to take it there yeah the the white slave owners yes sir in America who claimed to be Christian name the name of Jesus treated at that time the
The black you know enslaved people but if you treat them like family they not going to be enslaved anymore exact right right you become brothers of so much of the pro so many of the problems that we face in this country now yep if those that name the name of Jesus would really
Have treated each other like family yep we wouldn’t have those issues Y and I tell people all the time like we got I got brothers and sisters in the Middle East absolutely I got brothers and sisters in Jerusalem I got brothers and sisters in in uh Palestine that’s
Exactly right right like if we and I I’ve told White Brothers um if we really family yep like are we supposed to be family family if we’re really family you going to feel my pain absolutely and I’ll feel your pain absolutely correct so when when I feel pain over a black
Man innocent you know black man unarmed getting shot yep you should feel that pain absolutely you know if we’re really family that’s exactly right and I say y’all you you might be saying yeah Chris you want you cool being family with me I’m famous right right but are you cool
With being family with that black brother or Hispanic brother who is in got saved in the Juvenile Detention Center in prison right that used to sell drugs or whatever Y and now they come out of of jail or prison y are you are you cool with them being your family now they love
Jesus are you cool with that being your family cuz that’s what it is yes sir and if we could have that mentality man like I said well look it’s in the Bible we would turn the world upside down we would turn the world upside
Down so so so this is already I mean are you serious right now like you can’t you can’t make this up all right so the name the name of my company is upset the world yes I knew that yeah yeah and it comes from act 17 verse number six Paul
And Silas have caused trouble all over the world which literally in the Greek means turned upside down they’ve turned the world upside down and now they’re here disturbing our city too amen for the last 2,000 years that’s what the gospel is supposed to be doing is
Disturbing the peace not p a c e p i e c e we have been we have been assigned to disturb the pieces of people that are not congruent with God’s ways his commands his demands his precepts his his laws so I mean if we were a unified
Front on that instead of separate factions on that we would have already taken over politics no qu if we were more CH be the multi-millionaires than Republican than more Christian than Democrat Christi Christian than American more Chris than black more Christian than white yes sir one of my one of my
King members he’s one of our leaders he said to me something very profound a few years ago this was during like it was probably around the time of George Floyd okay and he said a huge problem in the body of Christ or he said one of the big problems is white
Christians feel more of a bond and a connection with white non-christians than they do with black Christians wow right and that if you look at the history of America I’m generalizing yeah yeah for sure but for the most part the white Christians have unified with white nonbelievers over unifying with black
Believers I mean you look at the the Church of God and Christ and the Assembly of God were they were the same denom they were together they came after and all that Street they were unified a denomination I don’t know if they call themselves the denomination but black and white
Pentecostal Christians were United yeah absolutely and the white mainstream Community began pressuring the white Christians Pentecostals to take Terror away from the black ones and segregate and that’s how you got the Church of God in Christ which is the black verion AB the Assemblies of God which is the white
Vers you know again there’s a little mixture now in the Assembly of God but that’s it like you said they’re essentially the same denominations one’s black one’s white and it’s again it’s that type of stuff that keeps us from turning the world upside down upsetting the the
World and all that stuff so all right so so oil and a little bit of balsamic right like I don’t want no thick blue cheese or nothing like that right all right so the fact that the Holy Spirit could have this organic beautiful movement that unified the r unified
Ethnicities and then for American culture the pervasive overarching systematic culture yeah to come in and just dig in and separate what the Holy Spirit started Y is a case study to me that we have to be very very careful even in a country like this y not to allow the the the
Undercurrent of what America’s all about to divide a move of God right absolutely think about it that’s a great point the a move of God hit us it’s still here it’s still there’s still a testament of that move of God but it’s been separated because of where America happened to be
Yep you’re right at its time right this should have trumped all of that yep like absolutely it should have been like no that’s what y like white men after isusa should have been like no no that’s what y’all doing yep yep y’all want segregation my book says in G
This is unification like like so so it’s a amen because you talk about Church of God in Christ Assemblies of God then you got Church of God Anderson Tennessee I know I’m pissing somebody off um you you you got you got PW you got you got all these different all these different
Splits that are a direct result of where America stood in culture at the time y meanwhile the Bible that we read the gospel is being spread in the backdrop of the most nefarious culture that we know of that ever hit planet Earth like the Roman Empire amen as we know it should have
Split the body in Christ in half y yet they were like I guess we going to have to die right right God’s laws have come up against yep Romans uh uh edicts and this is going to clash and I’m I’m ready to be poured out as a drink offering you
Right on the money bro right I’m not going AC I’m not going to Aces I guess I’m just going to have to die yep and N that that’s so powerful and awesome and look and you notice one of the the beauty of being in Christ yep is that he
Doesn’t want you don’t have to change your culture right if you in the hip hop you can stay in the hipop in Christ if you’re in the country you in the Opera you can stay in that right and so it’s fine to have if I want to go to a black
Church because I like the music I like the style of preaching whatever you want to go to a white church because you like the music the style of preaching or it’s mixed or whatever we’re Asian we’re free to do all that absolutely but we should be un we should still be unified as
Brothers and sisters age and if I as an African-American go to your allh church y I should be received yep with love equality just like everybody else there exact that’s it’s I mean look it’s great again if we want to have the same church service fine but because of our
Differences in cultures um we some sometimes we like different things period some like music gospel music that’s banging and some like it more sedate that’s right and that’s fine that’s right but we we should when it comes to living life yep and standing with each other standing up for each
Other the gospel as you said the name of Jesus Yeshua should Trump all of that everything else I agree everything else and again if America knew that Heck if again if just those that named The Name of Jesus period did that forget the non-believers just those that claim to
Be Christians did that man oh it’ be a rap oh it would be a rap there there there would be there would be no mountain out of the seven mountains that we wouldn’t be on top of amen amen no doubt all right so so take me back um be because there there no
One winds up the founder of an organization like King with this level of discipleship if there wasn’t like an indelible impression left on you and so I’m very curious about 20y old 21 year old Chris brousard who is he at the time he meets Jesus and then what type of discipleship process does
He go through right to wind up with this passion to Mentor men in Mass right n that’s a that’s a great question um give me a minute yeah yeah for sure absolutely no no please we got all we got all your time in the world love your
Format cuz you before we came on you was like look bro we might go four hours what hey I’m telling you all right more we need to I’ve literally had guests that have been like bro this is so popping but I I need to pee and they
Will literally go pee and I’ll just keep talking till they come back no we don’t even push I just keep talking till they come back and we just keep it moving n that’s awesome man but so I grew up Catholic I’m I’m African-American Creole from Louisiana so my family’s Catholic
Quick story my father uh who grew up in Cincinnati Ohio our all our family is from Louisiana but he he moved to Cincinnati when he was a baby grew up there was going went into studying for the priesthood Catholic priesthood wow so his sophomore and Junior years in
High school were at a seminary where he lived on campus you know and was be studying to become a priest and one day he he was one of out of maybe roughly 150 students all male he was one of four or five African-Americans wow and he’s
Lightskinned like me um and so one day his junior he and I saw the photo albums and and yearbooks and stuff as a kid looking at him he was popularly played Sports on the basketball team inner mural football all that stuff had a lot of friends so one day a freshman when
He’s a junior asking Bruce why you so dark and he’s like my dad said you know a little flippantly like maybe it’s cuz I’m colored you know at that time it’s late 50s I’m colored and he said from that point on like later that day people that were his friends were
Shunning him uh giving him the cold shoulder even a little few the administrators you know just look you know just totally treating him different so he no he wasn’t passing but he didn’t he didn’t he didn’t go and Shout I’m black he just was there doing his normal
Stuff but they thought he was white wow and so cuz he’s like I said he’s my skin color light or straight hair yeah and so that like it went on for weeks and finally he uh he called his dad mom to come up see him they came up his best
Friend who’s African-American was in the car with him and my dad’s telling him what’s happening crying and his father my grandfather said to him he said everybody’s not meant to be Jackie Robinson come on home son and that was it and that ended his quest to be a
Priest and and real talk I’m glad it did me too cuz I don’t think you would have been here that’s exactly right I was thinking that D about to carry you into a box for the rest of your life wow so so that so I was raised Catholic went to church
Every Sunday you know my dad made sure went to church every Sunday went to Catholic schools um but didn’t know anything one thing about Catholicism is they don’t teach you about having a personal relationship with Christ now I was taught a lot of the you know right I taught Bible stories and religious
Classes um knew the apostles knew the Beatitudes knew the Ten Commandments you know that stuff but never read the Bible for myself at all wow never was taught anything about having a personal relationship with Jesus so when you’re just taught these dos dos and don’ts and rules and regulations but you don’t have
Any relationship I always tell people it’s like being in an arranged marriage versus a a marriage where you fall in love with your wife like it was like if you in an arranged marriage they bring you a woman or a man and you just supposed to marry them
And you you you you meet this woman this going to be your wife you got to be faithful to her you got to do this you got to provide for her she has to do this and that for you if you don’t have a relationship with her you not in love
With her it’s going to be hard to do those things or you may not just do those things versus if you really love your spouse you’re going to want to please him and want to do what makes him happy and so I was you know I wasn’t no
Horrible kid but you know I’m getting drunk and school I’m you know getting involved in sexual immorality and just you know just doing that young stuff Y and so my sophomore year in college uh I began dating a woman who was a Christian yeah and she was known
On campus as a a born again Christian she wasn’t you know having premarital sex and you know getting drunk you know things that college students do and it was known that she cuz she got saved while she was at school yeah and and changed her lifestyle and so we knew
Each other we were friends uh but we started dating and she was the first person that I really was close with that exposed me to biblical Christianity wow um and so like we would pray together and I was willing to pray for but I noticed when she would pray she’s
Praying like she knows who she’s talking to she’s praying like she has a relationship like this is my father you know she’s talking to him real regular talk and all I only prayers I knew was Our Father who are in heaven Hall be thy name thy kingdom come thy will be done
Angel of God my guardian light you know Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee like that’s how I pray memorize prayers yeah and so I started noticing okay that’s a little different you know I went to a few Bible studies with her
Uh cuz I liked her I was like you want to go to Bible study all right you know one day I fasted with her and the other Christian on Camp you know like whatever right whatever you know and so she was exposing me and God I thank God that I
Had a soft heart that I was open to all that and so we dated for about a year and a half before I got saved and it was a tug award because I was not trying to live a Christian life so I’m kind of pulling her down and she’s you know
Struggling cuz we’re doing things you know we we NE shouldn’t necessarily be doing she as a CHR she knows she shouldn’t be and so we went to a church about a year after we started dating she was in medical school so she was two years older than me okay so we started
Dating when I was a sophomore she’s a senior she uh graduates goes to medical school nearby and so we’re still dating so we go to a church one Sunday I would go visit her on weekends and this was the first church it was a charismatic church everybody’s excited about being in there
You know they got the lyrics to the music on the walls and everybody singing and I had never been in a church like that right I’m I was Catholic right I’m used to sedate solemn boring sitting there like Yo God please get me out of this mug like you know really like and
I’m like looking around everybody wants to hug you know hugging and I was like man I just never had seen anything like that yeah and so being in that atmosphere and the message the message of God was there shared his testimony he had been a drug addict as a teenager God
Saved him delivered him you know all that and it just I was convicted yeah and so when the when the pastor made the altar call it was hundreds of people in there I was like standing there like feeling like everybody in that church was pointing at me wow like you you know
You need to go down there all right you you better get down there to that Al and I didn’t go down yeah cuz I didn’t want to get saved cuz I was like I knew I didn’t have to be perfect but I didn’t want to repent I didn’t want to turn
Away or even tried to turn away from the stuff I was doing the stuff I was doing with my frat brothers the stuff I’m you know I’m kicking it I was like man I don’t see none of I was on the basketball team I was like I don’t see
No body especially no other dudes living for Jesus Christ right I ain’t about to be the only one right for sure for was like man n so I went up you know I’m back in on campus I’m doing my thing whatever and God blessed me man God
Still bless me the Bible says the rain God lets his rain fall on the just and the unjust sunshine on the just and the unjust sir and so he blessed me that summer it was a summer between my Junior and senior years with a summer with an internship ship at the Cleveland plane
Dealer newspaper which was the biggest newspaper in Ohio okay at the time and it was in sports writing wow so he blessed me I go there I do that I do well they tell me we’re going to hire you when you graduate so imagine you know you’re going into your senior year
Of college knowing you got a job a good job a job that you will enjoy in sports writing yeah uh when you graduate so I was just ecstatic like man and and after a few days I started feeling like is this it like cuz I was
Raised to to go get the American dream I was raised like the American dream is the goal yeah for sure and I had two great parents um and my younger brother like great family yeah um was middle class wasn’t poor you know middle class um great childhood but I was raised where the
American dream do well in school my par my father made sure I did well in school so do well in school so you can go to a good college go to college so you and do well there so you can get a job and provide for your family that’s what I
Was that was the point of life for me American Dream absolutely and so here I am now and I’m like I got it yeah I got this thing that I’ve been striving for my whole life right within my grasp I mean obviously I didn’t have the job yet
But it was I was like it’s right there within my grasp and I just start feeling like is this it like is this all life is about get a get a good job and make money and that’s it and I was I started feeling empty wow like man I had
Everything going for me I I was Captain on the one of the co- captains on the basketball team I was uh had a promise of a great job I had a girl I love girlfriend like I had had everything going for me and I felt empty wow and I
Felt miserable and I was like and I knew it was God yeah yeah cuz I had been convicted I had been convicted a few months before like you need to get saved yeah yeah yeah and I was just running I was like man nah I ain’t trying to get
Saved I ain’t trying to be you know live like no real Christian right for sure absolutely yeah and so I kept running searching for loopholes I go back up to school so a couple of weeks after after I before I’m supposed to go back to school for my senior year myself my
Girlfriend my parents we go to church a Catholic church and I’m standing there and you know we walking in and my parents proud my father like yeah my boy gonna be a sports writer like you know my mom is proud and my girl is like yo I
Got I got me a BMW a black man worker like right a little bit of a catch you know and so everybody’s happy oh man and I’m sitting there and inside I’m just like just all mixed up yeah yeah yeah not happy empty now you couldn’t see it
On the outside I’m putting up a front sure but in church I’m just sitting there and I’m just thinking and I’m just like man God I ain’t got no peace I’m like I I ain’t got no peace and I’m like everything’s going well for me I’m like
I know I got to give my life to you but I said God I tried to make a deal with God yeah I said God all right let me go up to school and have the first semester I said let me have the first semester to
Do whatever I want to do to sew all my Wild Oats to do all the partying I want to do and then in January I get saved that was what I was telling to God and in the church and in my mind in my mind God was like all
Right bet right now I know that wasn’t really God right the Bible say tomorrow’s not promised for sure today is the day of salvation but in my mind it was like all right all right I’m like all right cool I got I got my first semester to kick it do my thing blah
Blah blah and so I go up to school you know I’m out there trying to do you know it ain’t really the same I’m out there trying to do this and that and I’m not feeling it and I read an article in Rolling Stone magazine this when Bobby Brown was hot y
Tenderoni don’t be Cru you know all that and I read the article and it said he said he was happier when he was poor than when he was rich cuz he’s like all the problems money brought like more money more problem this dude got everything the world could offer I
Watched a movie about Elvis Presley’s life and Elvis of course had everything right the fame the fortune the the women everything and he was miserable addicted to drugs and so on and so forth and I was just like man God I said these guys they had everything a dude could want
All the beautiful women you could want the money all the money you could want all the fame you could want and they were miserable they’re not happy and I just kept I was like man and so my 21st birthday uh October 28th 1989 uh my parents came up we had a
Script scage preseason basketball scrimmage parents come up watch we play the scrimmage then I go my parents are going to take me and my girlfriend out to dinner my 21st birthday supposed to be my first drink as far as my parents know right right right right but so we
Go out so go to my house right right exactly exactly so we go to we at their house before we go out to eat my father and I go and run some errands before you know and so I’m like I say I I’m like Daddy I said you know what keeps you
Going in life I said I wasn’t suicidal I wasn’t have a nose thoughts or nothing yeah but I was like I said once you got a nice house you got your sons are both in college doing well you know you got nice cars you make them like once you
Get all that what keeps you going yeah and he was like well you know you want to get a promotion on your job or you want to get a nicer house or you want to get a better car or you want to provide for your children you want to help your
Other family me like he was saying good stuff yeah yeah for sure but I was like man ain’t none of that GNA feel this void that’s in my heart that I I can’t I I can’t satisfied and so that day shortly after that conversation you know
How you make a wish over your cake well instead of making a wish I repented and asked Jesus Christ to come into my my heart as my Lord and Savior and gave my life gave my life to Christ man and um so my 21st birthday my natural birthday
Is literally my spiritual birthday and man it’s it’s like I was not expecting that bro man n yo I’ve cried giving that testimony um dang and I’m crying as you get I did not expect to hear that bro no that’s that’s look man and I tell people
To this day like and you know this you have your challenges when you when you saved yeah for sure you have your your things you got to overcome the storms of life if you will but never man for one moment have I regretted that decision
Cuz I’m like that man that’s on the Rock right the man there’s a man on Sand I was on Sand before and when the storms of life came I’m getting rocked now I’m on the Rock that’s and the storms of life come and I’m solid I got my
Foundation and yeah man I tell you look I’ve met obviously LeBron James Magic Johnson Michael Jordan Barack Obama Bill Clinton Jesse like on and on Jamie Fox whoever meeting all them combined has not given me a fraction of the value to my life the peace the joy
That meeting Christ Jesus Christ gave me you know and so yeah man that’s that’s my testimony um I I don’t even think you asked about my testimony you asked about how I started what led me to start King but that wasal that’s what led you
To start King well that yeah and so so that’s like so that’s how I got saved so I get okay go ahead bro hold just fam I gotta C Lord have mercy but you know see you know bro you know the feel you know the
Joy of giving your life to the Lord man but this is why it makes me emotional because um and I don’t know if there’s a reoccurring theme with this I I don’t think I have enough empirical data to say that yet but I feel like the the the the guys and the
Girls who make a decision to become a disciple of Jesus and it ain’t because of an article and a sermon n that’s great I I there’s something about that decision that just hits different I’m not saying that those that God saved at a Revival or God saved at a
Billy Graham crusade or whatever have they’re not still living for Jesus I gave my you know I told you I gave my life to Jesus January 14th of 96 I was on the back row of my parents church Sunday school had just ended morning worship had just started okay
And the Holy Spirit told me you’re a sinner it’s the first time I’ve ever heard the holy spirit’s voice I’ve never heard him before right or or I didn’t acknowledge his voice if I did hear before right so I’m sitting in the back row of the church and the Holy Spirit
Says you’re a sinner and it it was the most matter of fact statement like saying you got you got on a black king hoodie there was no condemnation in the statement but the first time he said it was was the first time I realized my disconnection from God right and I
Started balling my eyes out wow and I’m in a Pentecostal church and I’m like I’m like 3 hours away from salvation like morning worship just started like that’s about to be ABC d and e selection some Dan offering flag twirling all kind of stuff could break
Out well my dad happened to be kind of um officiating or running the service that day he decided to break for Al uh for Testimony service so I jumped up doing testimony service and and I’m on the back row and my dad historically goes from the front
To the back right and so I’m at the back I’ve never been a dude that’s that’s played church so everybody was shocked it’s like 50 people in there and my dad and I’m in the back so no I’m looking at the back of everybody’s heads nobody’s turned
Around looking yet to see who’s behind him and my dad goes I think Tim has something to say wow and I said I give up and everybody did this almost like give up what and I was like Hey dude I need to give my life to Jesus right
Now and my mama let out the biggest blackest Tyler Perry Hallelujah you have Hallelujah like it was loud right right and I walked up to the front and gave my life to Jes there was no sermon and no alter call right my older I’m sorry my younger brother who’s preceded me in
Death and is in heaven he gave his life to Jesus two years before he died while drinking a 40 ounce of beer at 2:00 in the morning so and and I got I got stories and stories of people Y and so to hear your story like I don’t know why it’s
Making I’m an emotional person so I CED very quickly I know and I like the way you said it you don’t have the empirical evidence none of us do but you’re right I I remember when I was at oberin before I got saved y I was a sophomore couple
Brothers you know freshman couple football players in fact I don’t know how much if you were ever in the Christian hip hop this might even been back before you got saved they ended up going starting a Christian hip-hop group called doc I remember DC Disciples of Christ I remember them remember them
They were two of the dudes of the three two of them went to oberin wow as I went to Overland college so they were from Cleveland they come up they wild they out there doing their thing getting high drunk chasing women all that so one
Night one I think the both of them were with another dude there and they all getting high I wasn’t there yeah they all getting high and the the the other guy he say something about witchcraft or the devil or something and one of the brothers from Cleveland leaves the
Room comes back a few minutes later with the Bible like and starts condemning the dude talking about the devil right and got saved the brother the the dude with the Bible him and his boy got saved disappeared they left the school I ain’t SE them like they left the school never
Went back to Oberlin and then a couple years later I get saved and then I I see that they I think I reached out to them or you know and we rap and they were do see and I saw them in a Christian bookstore they was promoting their music but to your
Example that it wasn’t nothing to do with church it and I think and and again obviously people do get saved in church of course yeah but when you get saved in your kitchen or in your car or wherever it’s it is absolutely real it is absolutely you and God it’s not the
Eloquence of the preacher it’s not the Press you feel that’s exactly right cuz if I had gone down when I said I was convicted in the church and knew I needed to give my life to Christ and felt like everybody was saying man you
Need to go down you need to go down if I had gone down maybe I would have really got saved that that one or what but it wouldn’t have been it was it was like the pressure of the people it was external yes sir absolutely it would have been
External even though I knew I needed it it was external pressure that would have made me that moment get my life right when I really gave my life to Christ about 6 months later yes sir it was like man God broke me down yes sir God just
Broke a brother down you can keep running and be miserable you can give your life to me and find peace absolutely so yeah I I feel you on that man I totally feel you so so um so I have a story uh my my my grand Uncle um
So my whole family the Rosses are all Church of God in Christ okay like like two two my my grandfather and my Uncle um uh Bishop Mason laid hands on them wow so we talking about wow right from 10 tones 10 fingers deep in right
Co right so when I was 18 years old my my grand Uncle comes to our church and he preaches and at the end remember this is a small church right not 100 people in the church and then he asked me and my brother miles to stand up stand up
Both of y’all sitting there with them earrings in your ears and things your pants hanging low you going bust hell wide open you need to give your life to Jesus there could be a bullet out there with your name on it I mean he’s leaning into us right so we both standing there
We like dang like I’m you know and so he’s like um you’re already standing you might as well just just give your life to Jesus right now and and come up here and and and so we’re standing there and I’m like bro like I ain’t feeling none of this you
Know what I mean my parents have never pressed us like you pressing us right now this is weird and so we both standing there and you know as as you do with a sibling you make eye contact and it’s like we having a whole conversation without opening my mouth and my my
Younger brother miles is is looking at me like bro whatever you do I do if you go up I go up like like if we just going to get this dude to shut up like you know what I mean like whatever we need to do bro like whatever you do I’ll do
Right so I’m standing there and he’s like uh you’re already standing up you can come down to this altar give your life to Jesus right now he said but if you sit down you going to bust hell wide open now I’m a literalist wow so I’m like I’m
Going to do it like me being seated is ain’t it already wide open like what about my life it’s about to split this thing in half and so looked at him look looked at miles we sat down and then as as soon as we sat down his wife popped up wait a
Minute wait a minute the Bible says the day that you hear his heart Harden not your heart wow and I’ve always been quick bro like I I’ve always been a skinny dude so I had to roast people like to survive and then uh I was a battle rapper and so I’ve always just
Been quick with it so so like within a beat of her saying that the Bible says the day you hear his voice harder not your heart I said well that’s the that’s the thing thing I don’t hear his voice I only hear y’all’s wow wow and when I
Tell you a holy hush hit that like and and we both sat down and then like he had to just go on with the service wow but it was the same type of deal like even if you had gone up if I gone you would got saved yeah right he would have
Got a little notch in his belt right I don’t know if my I don’t know now the theologically I know if your name is written in the land Book of Life is it ain’t in there erased and it ain’t in pencil right but but I that wasn’t my
Day right and and the day I decided it was a decision there was no emotion involved to your point it wasn’t the eloquence of the speech nobody was playing we fall down and we get like you know what I’m saying it wasn’t oceans it wasn’t right take your genre like it was
None of that I feel you man and that’s why it’s going on 28 years right and it’s the only like bro right there’s like nothing there’s nothing more important than that day for me amen for any man you every blessing I have is because of that day y my wife is
Because of that day my kids are because of that day this PO is because of that day so people always oh you making moves and you went from here and you went from there and then you and they and they counting these steps and I’m like bro that
Step equates to all of these steps like yep so get that first get that first and all of this will come later right so it’s just a again to hear another story like that I think that’s why it’s it’s it’s it’s touching me so deeply I love everybody’s testimony man but
These to just being hovering over your birthday cake fam and like this is what I want for my birthday fam I can’t that’s that’s n man that’s that’s real bro that’s that’s real and um dang Yeah man so so kind of getting to how that led to
King yeah um so okay so I get saved you know and I graduate you know I could go through college steps or whatever but um I gra I I I guess I I can take you there so I get saved and I’m like man I ain’t got to tell
Nobody you know you know what I’m saying like I’m living for the Lord that’s it it’s my personal relationship right right Ain’t nobody got I ain’t got to tell my boys my frat brothers none of that yep but I’m up there trying to live for the
Lord and brothers are like yo man why ain’t you you know chasing these girl cuz my girlfriend was in Mad school so she wasn’t even on campus yep so dude’s like yo man why ain’t you chasing these girls why ain’t you doing this and that
And I’m just like like ah you know I’m just being faithful to my girl I’m turning over New Leaf you know all that and um eventually God just convicted me like you it was becoming such a contradiction yep dudes were thinking I’m doing like I’m the old Chris doing
This and that yeah it was one girl up there we were literally she was a Christian too and we became friends and we were actually having Bible studies but bro dudes was like oh you hitting that you know what I mean like they that for sure and so I like man this becoming
Too much of a contradiction and so uh and I told I told my girl God convicted me again to tell her the Mischief I was into before yep so I tell her that we break up so now I’m at school and I ain’t got no excuse of yo I’m just being
Faithful to my girl this why I ain’t chasing these these SE girls and so I I go to breakfast with one of my frat brother I invite him like yo man you meet me for breakfast in the morning yeah he like yeah cool and I’m I’m I’m
Like I’mma tell him I’m saved like and I’m thinking he gonna be like man you a sucker you know I mean you what you save what yeah and so we go to breakfast I tell him like yo man you I know you you I know you noce I’m Different I ain’t
Doing this and that and more more and all that and I said yo I’m a born again Christian I said I gave my life to Christ you know what I mean yeah and he’s like I’m expecting him to throw stuff at me and he’s like yo man you
Know that’s that’s real like that’s he’s like man I’ve been feeling like you know I need to you know get right with God myself like I he he’s used the phrase he said I feel like a kite without a string you know what I mean wow and uh I’m just
Out there and he said his mom told him about this pastor who was in my boy was from Youngstown Ohio and he said his mom told him about a pastor from there who was now in Oberlin so he was like yo if you want to go see him man we can go you
Know CU I might want to talk to him too so we go see him we start going to the church I my boy I don’t know if he got saved whatever but he was going to the church with with us and um so then I
Used to rap so I used to rap on campus okay and I used to DJ you know I had I had a hip-hop show on this campus radio station I would DJ at the parties and we call it the the Disco the you DJ there
And at the parties and so I was like man I guess God was convicting me like yo you you need to don’t be no secret agent Christian can’t be ashamed of me you know what I’m saying absolutely and so I was like man I’m about to do this rap
You know and let everybody know I’m saved you know and so we used to have these things called every semester a soul session okay and it was in the African-American dorm I lived in the African-American dorm three of my four years so they you know it’s packed
Hundreds of people there so I go there and everybody waiting oh they oh I heard Chris I I put out the word I’m GNA rap this time CU I had rap like in a couple of them yeah he like oh Chris about to rap Chris gonna rap blah blah blah so so
I’m also I’m a Capper I mean Capp alide okay so we were pledging we were pledging some a line right and I was the dean yep so I had two of the scrollers the pledges I was like yo y’all coming up and dancing behind me when I’m
Rapping y’all going to come up and dance they Ain know it’s going to be a Christian ride y you and your big daddy came back right now right right I I had my boy one of my boys had a beat box I had a drum machine I was like I went up
There man I was like yo man give me a beat right and they up there and they dancing behind me and I did this rap called How You Like Me Now and it was like you Lov me when I rocked about girly saying ow but now that I’m
Righteous How You Like Me Now and it was like four you know bars it was like oh yeah that’s old that was like golden erad oh yeah yes that’s yes yeah man so that was like my coming out on campus like yo I’m a Christian now man you know and so so I
Graduate doing well and so you know men need male bonding and females need female bonding y and so I start I’m live I’m a sports writer yep uh I’m newly saved but I’m on fire getting into the Lord and all this and I don’t really know I grew up
Catholic I don’t know no young brothers that’s saved right you know I was going to a good church I was going to that same church in Overland that my boy brought me to I was teaching teenage Sunday school um but the men there were great men but older y um or the teens
You know and so I’m longing for that Brotherhood yeah for sure I had my frat brothers I had my college teammates I had friends but I was like man I’m I want a brother I want some brothers that we can just chill just kick it we talking Sports we talking
Hip-hop we going to the game whatever and they saved though so when we’re hanging out they’re not tempting me to do something I don’t that’s against my biblical principles you know and all that or put me in that atmosphere Y and so as I start I start meeting I’m going
To different churches around the city you know I start meeting young Brothers like myself that are saved it’s one here it’s one there it’s one and they was isolated too right so we I was like man we should come together and you know just hang out and kick it so we start
Doing that it wasn’t called King but it was like a young group of brothers start hanging out in Cleveland and at that same time I also so I’m meeting a lot of cats that are on fire young Brothers brothers from prison the streets or whatever yeah and I noticed a lot of
Dudes their walk with Christ and still to this day is like a roller coaster right they on fire for a year out for six months on fire for three months out for two years and depending on what your testimony now my testimony I was middle class it wasn’t if I backslid it’s wrong
And I’m backl but it wasn’t going to land me in jail right right right right right right right you going to be in the trap house right I’m meeting dudes that when they backslid they selling drugs wow you know they they out there with prostitutes or they they gang banging or
Whatever and so I saw dudes getting caught up like that and I was like man I think one of the reasons not the only reason but one of the reasons because they didn’t have that Brotherhood dudes they could just hang with they love the Lord even if you ain’t talking about God
That doing life yeah you’re just doing life and they they love the Lord and so I was like you know I want I want to start something like a Brotherhood so I started on a local level in Cleveland and then years later in Jersey started King y but really with the same premise
That those so the the other impetus was that so one wanted the Brotherhood one thought it would help Brothers stay steady in their walk but including myself but two the other thing was my brother so when I get sa my brother’s a year younger than me okay he
Went to Howard University you know HBCU Y and so when I get saved I call him on the phone and we rapping I’m like yo man I like I’m a Christian man I I gave my life to the Lord and I’m telling him why
And he’s like yo man I I feel you I’m you know so we prayed and he started going to like Bible studies at Howard it was like he he was get had gotten saved yep and at the same time the Nation of Islam LS Faron was getting strong yep
And they were strong on Howard’s campus so he started going to because again we had no biblical knowledge right right right right didn’t I was we was I was not a Christian cuz this is how you was raised or this somebody was telling you yeah yeah for sure you could have easily
Been a Muslim if you was raised Muslim it was like yo I met Jesus that’s exactly right I don’t really know much at all about the Bible I just know I met Jesus right and I’m starting to read the Bible and learn more about him and so
My brother’s the same way so he start going to the Muslim they call him power studies okay so he’s going to those and Farah’s right hand man was leading him Dr Alim Abdul Muhammad you know and he’s leading them and he’s sharp you know and he their studies he’s like the their
Format was asking you cuz he knew most of the kids coming were Christians right so they like he’s asking them questions why you pray in Jesus name why this why that and my brother’s going back to the little Christian Bible studies hey why why this why that yeah they can’t even
They can’t even answer he’s like so he’s getting more and more into Islam and he goes to some Churches and he sees some men that is really feminine you know and he’s like man and he see the Muslim men looking strong Y and so he ultimately
Joins the nation gotcha and so we now of course we start having these debates and one of my best friends I grew up with was at Tennessee state and he didn’t join the nation but he was very influenced by the nation he had quote unquote gotten saved too and then came
To start studying Islam and Afrocentric ultimately he became very Afrocentric that kind of became his faith y um but they they killing me right right right right that’s the white man’s religion you know man we only Christians cuz they gave it to us in slavery and you know
Make us better slaves and blah they killing me Y and I’m I don’t have no answer all I’m like is look man I met I know Jesus Jesus was no racist right I’m like ain’t nothing in the Bible about racism look at where Jesus live he
Wasn’t white like I knew that where from and that’s all I could say though and so after like it was almost it was like God said you know what you stood up solely on faith you didn’t have the knowledge you just knew me yep and after I did
That it was like I start coming across all these books about African church history I’m talking about in 1989 wow in 1990 I was reading books about how St Augustine was African and many of the other Church fathers tulan and athanasius and origin were African and Ethiopia was the first Christian nation
In the world and I’m I’m reading this I start getting books on blacks in the Bible and stuff ultimately I started teaching seminars on on African church history and black presence in the Bible stuff but the the debates I had with my brother one day we we debating this is
Couple years later and he’s like man you know why I became a Muslim instead of a Christian he said because the men I saw in the mosque looked more like the men I read about in the Bible than the men I saw in the church and I was like sheesh yeah you
Know and so but I was like I’m like I’m meeting cats though that are that are real right exactly I’m meeting real dudes like they’re not The Stereotype of the charlatan or the womanizer or the you know the guy that just grew up in like they were real cats
That that were serving the lord and I was like man we we got to come together because the image of Christian men particularly in the African-American Community is soft effeminate or you a scam artist you just doing it for the money for the women
Right and I was like man those of us who are real we need to unite for and so we would have a greater witness if we United and we could accomplish more for the kingdom and so ultimately all of those things coming together are what
Led me to start the king move yeah you know y’all want some water I’m it’s something in that fridge I do right behind you can you handar me what you want you good I’m good right now it’s propelled so if you want it’s flavored water if you want all right so so so
Listen man I I’ve been holding this pen in my head uh uh throughout this conversation that I want to go back to either one be before we be before we move forward thank you man I have heard everything you said I resonate with everything you’re saying and do you know what still stuck
In my head I put a pen there because I I’m like holy spirit if you want me to go back to it I go back to it but I’m about to jump out of my skin about this whole premise about arranged marriages fam it took everything in me not to like SC
Bro because I started thinking how many people are in a relationship with Jesus as the bride right right male or female you you GNA be a bride okay get over that right I know it’s 2023 but get over that right you’re goingon to be a bride we are part
Of we are the body of Christ we are we are his bride right but how many are in an arranged marriage versus I fell in love with him right and even if you present me with whatever actual factual you think you have white man’s religion this that and
The other it was written flawed this is King this is King James and James ain’t even a name in Hebrew is yakob it’s j and how come you won’t call him Yeshua you calling him Jesus and how come you won’t refer to him as Yahweh you calling
Them God I’ve heard it all right right right right and I’m still 10 toes down amen amen bro in Jesus Christ is Lord and God raised him from the dead amen how do I know that because the same spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead lives in me amen that’s how he
Testifies that he’s alive he’s the one that got him up I don’t need the data I don’t need the video The Same Spirit that got him up lives in me and he testifies through my body that he is alive and one day we going to all meet
Him again like with a gun to my head I can’t take that back right I kiss Juliet Nathan and Noah and tell them bye hey amen before I I can’t go I can’t turn around on that fact well it’s like remember what the disciples said well
Jesus had said something I think it was eat you eat my You Must Eat My Flesh and drink my blood and a lot of the followers left and he said he looked at the disciples said y’all leaving too and they was like where we going to go
That’s how I feel years ago I may have still been at Oberlin but it it was shortly around that time I said to myself I was like man if everybody leave Jesus I ain’t leaving I can’t I right where if everybody leave Jesus I I ain’t
Leaving you know the way to life down you said I can’t I I was I was with uh Nathan and Noah last week and you know we had they have some character formation right so so um uh in character formation now that they’re teenage boys 15 and 13 it ain’t
The belt no more right I got these dudes doing push-ups and Bear Cross oh through through wet sticky icky grass I’m like please don’t let them get bit by a snake cuz we on three acres and I’m like we in the country I’m like I don’t my kids die
During this punishment I’mma take a l right but but um uh I one of my sons lied about something and the the other one told the truth but then in front of his brother started to like try to lowkey lie or lie again right to to be
Maybe I didn’t maybe I didn’t see what he did like bro you done already told the truth don’t don’t cover right right so I bring him to the side and I say hey uh I know you were telling the truth the first time why did you go back and try
To alter it later in front of your brother I said here’s what I need you to know you don’t ever lie to cover your brother right don’t ever put anybody in a position don’t don’t ever put yourself in a position with anybody to compromise your character and integrity right I said if your
Mama puts you in a situation where you have to lie air her out if I put you in a situation where you have toe and compromise your integrity air me out I said I will I said if it came down to the truth of your mama your mama out there like like
I was like I I’m trying to that’s Integrity bro I’m trying to set this precedent where it’s like bro the standards up here yeah and even if your blood brother Falls below it you ain’t a snitch cuz you told the truth right right right you ain’t airing him out
Like with these details and d d du what you you just stand on the truth and if the truth exposes him as a liar I came from that old school church that old school Church of if the truth killing man let him die right I came from that
You know what I mean so so there’s a there’s this but that only comes from people that fall in love with him and this premise of arranged marriages is like literally like I bro I’m like as you were talking about it I’m literally going through my mind like he ain’t an
Arranged marriage he an arranged marriage she a marriage like it was like this was this was expected of you right and planned for you right as a and you live your life that way there’s just kind of like yeah but you know like like Jesus said you’ll know them by their
Fruit right and so that’s how you know who’s in the arranged marriage and obviously we not saying any of us are perfect ab but are you striving are you trying are you fighting a good fight that’s exactly right that that’s that’s how we know to me y
Who’s in the arranged marriage and who really loves him absolutely correct he even said it in uh you know Matthew 7 many will say to me Lord Lord didn’t I do this in your name that in your name he’ll say I never knew you that’s right
You know and so and that’s the thing like about Christianity is it it can be a challenge to transfer the faith from one generation to the next because you got to meet him for yourself I can put you in the position that’s exactly right but you got to mean
But I think if you like the Bible addresses it raise them up in the way they should go when they older they won’t depart they may stray but they gonna come back right and like I my wife and I I was telling her like my daughter’s 25 years old they love the
Lord Y and my daughters are very successful one you know they both graduated college in four years one went to Michigan one with a pen one is now getting her PhD one is now successful you know in her job and I tell my wife I’m like our greatest achievement as
Parents is that they love the Lord absolutely correct that’s the greatest I mean it’s great that they doing this and doing that our greatest achievement is that they love the Lord yeah and growing up my I’ve told them like my whole thing for them like if you want to be a
Teacher doctor lawyer housewife whatever you chose to be long as it was you know leg legal y I’m fine with it right for sure absolutely but what I what to me what I really want beyond anything is that y’all know Jesus Christ ex right for yourself you love him and so yeah
Man that’s um but like I said I think if we just live it that’s right we live it yeah in front and and like you said just live life in Christ that’s right your children will see that but um but yeah generate you can’t get saved off your parents salvation absolutely not right
Or based on them you got to know Jesus for yourself absolutely so so um you’ve scaled this discipleship process um in uh in ways that I would feel would make the average Church envious because um so many churches say that discipleship is a priority within the ethos of their
Organization but they have a very difficult time having any success right um how were you able to take it From this desire that you just had like I I want Brothers right you know what I mean I I had that with my frat right and and and I’ve seen these dudes have it with their gangs and have it with Islam you Nation of Islam like like fruit of Islam like how do
I How does it go cuz it it’s it it’s more than a notion when you when you found something and organize it and bring structure to it and some people can do it as long as it’s loose but the moment needs structure right you know what I mean and then needs money and
Then needs you know how how did that happen well one you know God blessed me to be around brothers that would Aid me and brothers that again all of us really love the Lord yep so one other brothers that are solid in their walk but also we
Just regular dudes you know what I mean like we’re not religious um we just we hoop you know we just regular cats but we love Jesus absolutely and that’s what king is about it is not religious it’s not you know stayed you know boring and dull and all that so there’s that
Um so I think that’s part of it but I also think like we address real issues so we have about 20 chapters throughout the country y they meet monthly and at our meetings it’s real talk yep so like we’ve had meetings where you know we talk about pornography yeah or alcohol
Addiction or drug addiction whatever it might be and brothers have admit you know they struggling with pornography or whatever yeah for sure and so we don’t condemn but we try to lift you up like there might be a brother there that yeah he struggled with it and how we came
Through it so we really talk these things out there’s a accountability there’s encouragement brothers that went through it share with you how they got out of it Y and there’s obviously prayer about that but it’s is really addressing the real issues you know I think that’s
Critical to it um and then also like God has the platform he’s given me as a bro sports writer and sports broadcaster has definitely helped for sure because you know I mean it’s people are attracted to that and I’m like God use whatever you want to use sure absolutely and I know I
I’ve said that in this day and age 2023 it’s probably true throughout history but 2023 we need people we need people in our American society that people admire for various reasons they admire you because you’re a great athlete they admire you because you’re a great journalist cuz you’re rich cuz you’re
Smart cuz you whatever they admire you for something you’ve achieved your character whatever Y and then it’s like oh and he’s a Christian so that will be a witness to people because the stereotype like America trying to act like the only people in the Christianity
Are uh you know poor whites and you know uh superstitious ignorant Negroes and Hispanics and you know and and real people that are people that are classy people that are this or that or that achieve they don’t n they don’t fool with that they pass that and that’s not
The case at all right we got receipts for that absolutely and so people need to see man I dig dude as a broadcaster oh and he led Jesus that’s a witness so I think that’s God has used my platform to as a draw as well and as you
Know I mean man it’s become part of my brand like you know like like people love it or hate it people like oh he he he he about Jesus you know they might not like it they might like it but they know oh that’s that he about Jesus you
Know and so God uses that as well for sure man I I almost left I when I first started my career and again you know by that point I’m saved I’m on fire y I thought I was only going to be in sports writing for about five years at the most
I was like man I I want to do I want to reach men for the Lord I want to you know re I want to help African-Americans through the gospel all that stuff and I I I was enrolled accepted applied accepted enrolled in seminary probably three or
Four times wow and about to leave my career and it never for one reason or another it just never worked out yep and so um God OB like now speak at some of the biggest churches in the country I coming out of Seminary I wouldn’t have had that
Opportunity you know what I’m saying and so God has it’s all in his plan man he’s Lifted Me Up exalted me and given me this platform and you know I want to use it to the best of my ability for his glory and so that’s helped the king
Movement as well all right bro so so I didn’t know we would go in this direction or I should say I didn’t know I was about to take it in this direction but I had I wrote something on thread which thread is like Instagram’s version of Twitter
Right right right so so um I wrote something on thread this morning and it was inspired by the text message you sent me to give me kind of context to to everything which I knew everything except uh about The Odd Couple right so um if y’all don’t ey couple is a podcast
Radio Show radio show they but they put it on a podcast y Radio podcast uh with Rob Parker um that Chris does as well and that’s on sirusxm it’s on sports radio iHeart Radio App and sirusxm channel 83 yep so if you’re a sports fan EAS and you’re already watching first
Things first you can also watch uh uh the OD couple with Chris and Rob so so um you sent me all this right so obviously when when because I wanted to meet with you right this was my there’s certain people they’ll say hey would you like to meet with this dude or this
Person reached out and there’s certain people that I’m like if I had I want to get him if I got if I got to choose somebody to come in the basement I want it to be him and I’m a huge sports fan so um and then when I found out about
Your faith I’m like and then God gave me this platform I’m like I would love to have the conversation right so you send me all all these data points points and I’m going through them obviously I had done my research on you but I get to
Kind of see it all at one time and so I watched the I watched the um the video you s about the king uh organization uh I see uh uh the collaboration you’re going to be doing in March of 2024 right around the summit the king Summit kingm Word Church yep
Word Church shout out to uh uh Pastor R Vernon yeah um then there’s uh uh something you’re doing with okay yeah a share the share the dream project yep I did it with Matt Daniels who’s a caucasian brother yep and it’s basically you know we’re looking our we all know
Our society it’s probably in my life time never been more polarized oh for sure at least I remember right yeah yeah I agree and so he’s trying to address that polarization or we’re trying to address that polarization and bring people together through six principles of Dr King’s life and teaching so
Justice perseverance love hope courage freedom things like that so um and there’s videos um there it’s a book but we want churches and schools and other organizations to take this material and teach it to the youth and and and adults as well for sure and try to bring some
Civility yes to our society absolutely cuz we like that’s what I say to people even as as a Christian like we’re a pluralistic society right all right so yeah okay I you can do what you want to do and you live your life and it’s a pluralistic society you can do that but
The same goes for me right you have to you have to make space for the Christians too and and keeping it real for the Muslims and the Jews who want to cuz we we as you know we have similar moral principles absolutely corre different religions and so you had to
Make way for them as well and so that’s that’s what Shar the dream is about beautiful that’s beautiful okay so so I’m looking at all this stuff right like kind of succinctly and it immediately Dawns on me and this is this is probably just confirmation for you I doubt it’s a
Aha but it was a aha for me seeing it all like just being able to scroll and tap tap tap tap tap tap tap Chris brart is an apostle yeah this is this is clearly Apostolic work and so it leads to this thread for hours ago just so you know
The time stamp just typing my thoughts here perhaps modern day Apostles should just go make take a lot of money from their skill sets and help build churches while they disciple their employees Partners vendors or whatever they can add value to the church and add members
To the church from the outside in ways they’d never be able to do from from the inside amen Amen to that brother you got 20 chapters with King yeah if you go through Seminary where you going to have 20 churches no right n you you know you right on the
Money in fact I was having this conversation yesterday with somebody um in the black community when we like we feel you know you feel the call to do something for the Lord y we automatically think Pastor right that’s why whether it’s La Newark New York uh Birmingham y clevand Miami
Wherever it is you go to the black neighborhood you going to see churches all over the place next to each other got 10 members in each one of them the storefronts all because we think oh I want to you know you rightly I man I got
To do something for the Lord I wna and we think Pastor now I do think there’s some historical reason for that in that up until a few decades last few decades as African-Americans your jobs were your job options were very limited absolutely right it was I’m a I’m a laborer I’m a
Domestic worker I’m a farmer I’m a teacher or I’m a pastor and on top of all of that in society I’m a with a hard r or a boy yes exactly right exactly so I’m in a I’m looked at down from society and then my the only jobs I can connect
To are those that are in a kind of servants type a service industry role yep so the black church was the only place where you could have a title that brought you dignity right that’s why titles are so important in the black community so whether you Pastor Bishop
Head Usher Church mother Deacon Deon right right R all those titles are like almost white knuckled yep because it’s like this is the only place I’m ever going to be somebody absolutely man absolutely and yeah you’re right and so so because of that and again it’s not
Even a it’s not a criticism it’s it’s based in the history of our people for sure it’s observation but what happens is like we don’t have many par Church Ministries right and so in the white Community you do have you got Athletes In Action you got all these Ministries
That aren’t in the church but they’re doing Christian Ministry and so that’s what king king is a parachurch Ministry and it it is one of the few and I don’t even know the others if there are y but it’s one of the few National National y men’s Ministries
That’s run by african-amer yeah well that that when I when I watch the video that’s when it that’s when my aha clicked I’m like this is an Apostolic this is an Apostolic movement because this is the work of Apostles they Apostles are sent to build so they
Can build to S amen that’s what Apostles do that’s why Jesus is our chief Apostle he’s the first one sent right to build right and then he builds disciples yep who become Apostles and keep doing the work and they keep do and that’s what’s been happening for the last 2,000
Something years amen so when you think about I’m a nerd so uh uh Ephesians 411 just so y’all have context to this now these are the gifts Christ gave the church so the Holy Spirit has gifts that he gives the body but then there’s gifts that Christ gave the church the gifts
That Christ gave the church the apostles the prophets the evangelists and the pastors and teachers their responsibility combined it didn’t say like separate out P their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church the body of Christ they don’t all do it the same way
This will continue that’s why it’s continuing until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s son that we will be mature in the Lord measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ that’s the that’s the that’s the assignment right so for me I’m like literally
I I’m I’m GNA say you’re the only you’re only the second person I’m about to say this to I think and Hector you’ll be able to because it’s been on a pod and so I’m almost certain he’s the second person I’m saying this to I am so grateful we didn’t lose you
To the church I think the biggest L we could have taken is for Christopher brousard to have become a lead pastor Pastor Christopher BR like you know what I mean because a local body would have been blessed yeah but then we would have lost the national impact right that God called you for
Right no man and look and and it’s interesting because I knew I always felt like man I’m I’m not trying to be a pastor like I’m not but I didn’t really know another route to get in the ministry I was like I guess I should go
To Seminary you know what I mean and over over time it Dawn you know what I mean it dawned on me what the Lord was doing but yeah yeah okay so but let’s go a little bit slower than that would you also say that based on like the way the church is
Set up this is like the only options you’re given for those with a communication gift or or a speaking gift to Pastor to Pastor for the most part for the most part there are some yeah like it’s like oh you you you can communicate so be a preacher right and it’s usually like
Pastor evangelist go over the youth group go over so we slot you into four or five places but then what if God brings you like a 100 people with speaking gifts right are we about to fight for these four slots you can’t bring everybody on staff no that’s true so it’s like the
The and I I do not expect this from those that are called to pastor and this is why this is why together we all need each other right Apostles prophets evangelist pastors and teach we need each other it needs to be collaboration because a pastor by default is married to the church right
So they don’t ever want to see anybody leave the sheep fold they are gutted when somebody leaves right the teachers want to instruct I want the Evangelist tow come here come here the prophets arein out they’re they’re they’re prophesying the apostles are the only
Ones that are like yeah go go do you hey bro that’s that’s that’s wow I hadn’t thought of it that way but you’re right go do you that’s the only one God use you let God use you you don’t get that from a from a pastoral gift so if a
Pastor is not in in connection or relationship with an apostle they see people leaving as like a personal indictment like what what was going on here you know how it is you leave you leave a church people say you leave a black church it’s like you you left the
Family it yeah yeah yeah it’s it what what I’ve noticed is e even when we use like like the the the the idioms of like a spiritual son and a daughter and a and and a and a spiritual father and a mother the relationship actually plays
Out more like a marriage than it does like a family unit cuz cuz your daughters do they still live here no no right did did you expect them to stay with you no definitely not okay so so so there is a that parents know that you raise your
Children to leave y pastors don’t know that that’s good but we’re calling them parents right that’s good that’s good yeah man you dropping nuggets you know what I’m saying so so it’s like like like if you if you if you feel like you know what I you raised me spiritually I I’m strong
Enough it’s time for me to go into whatever God has me for if the pastor feels like y’all getting a divorce right was I your son was it right or was I your spouse like you go you know what I mean like you can’t hold me like that fam like that’s not going
To be n that’s and one thing we tell I tell Brothers in King I tell them like first first of all this is not Chris Bruce our Ministries not that there’s wrong with but I like this isn’t Chris Bruce AR Ministries and it’s not about Chris
Bruce right right it’s about all of us working together to help build the kingdom of God and I’m like take ownership of King for yourself so whatever God may be imp putting on your heart to do for you know through King do as long as this in line with Biblical
Principles and you know what we’re about I’m good with it you know and um that’s important man and uh and I tell Brothers like look don’t we not going to let ego yep uh or the lust for power y you know ruin our organization because I said
Look I’m not I said I’m already famous y I got money I’m not doing this for fame or money yes sir I’m doing this for the Lord absolutely correct so everybody else should be doing this for the Lord don’t come in here here cuz you want to
Attach to me or you just want oh I can get in there and get me a little name for myself and get some power and get some influence no this is about God and you know we try to have that Spirit permeate the organization y you know cuz
You we as you know we’ve seen many Ministries many organizations broken up because of ego yes oh for sure or or or fighting for fame or money or whatever I’m like I I don’t need none of that I’m not doing it for that absolutely yeah hey okay so I
Just had a I just had like another freaking aha moment and that is and I’mma give you’all Bible for this I don’t know if I know any broke Apostles true Apostles right not like like I’m an apostle right right right and you got one and a half churches under you right
Right and 92% of it of them have your last name right right or or they only lost your last name by marriage like you know what I mean I don’t know if you’re really an apostle Apostle of what right but and now let me say when I when I say
Not broke I’m not saying I’m not also saying Rich what I’m saying is Jesus is our is our chief Apostle right he got money does he have money on him no but he can get it out of a fish’s mouth right amen amen right he he can he
Can he can run up on a fisherman’s business and make it the most profitable day they’ve had in the history of their Fishing Company Right facts uh Peter tells uh the lame man at the gate called Beautiful he’s Pat in his pocket silver and gold I
Don’t have but I got power rise up and walk so when I say not broke I’m not saying they they walking around with stacks pink Rings Paul saying hey uh I get money from everywhere I go but I defraud myself when I go to Corinth like I’ve never even right right
Right I don’t even care like I don’t even come here looking for money y y’all are so sexually perverted I don’t even want to draw your attention away from Purity by asking you about money right so so how about y’all just do right I don’t even want no money
From you I’ll get it from Macedonia I’ll I’ll get a bag from anywhere else I’ll get it from Ephesus Philippi but I don’t even frustrate y’all like that and I can I can pitch a tent whenever I got get ready so if it comes down to it and I
Got I’m a dual citizen right I’m not out here struggling like some of y’all Jewish people under Roman occupation I’m a Roman citizen right there you go so so so there is there is riches in other ways and I think that’s why they’re able to be so freeing and releasing to others
Cuz they’re like man I ain’t going to even hold you like that like I don’t you being here don’t make me or break me I don’t need nothing from you y so how about you just take this blessing absolutely and go about your business cuz I’m good absolutely I think those
Are the only PE those people can impact the body of Christ without perverting it yep CU your motives aren’t making money off of the body Christ and I’m not trying to insult but you know what I’m saying exactly right exactly that’s not my livelihood n n right absolutely
You’re yeah yeah you rep King cuz this is a this is a outworking of the passion that lives in your heart as opposed to like hey man make sure I pay these bills bro I don’t want to laugh but you know what I mean I I just see too many people
Feeling like God called me to do this but desperate right I mean I got people that like lit literally are thinking like man if I get on the basement my book SS will take off yep like it’s this will put me on well and you know what I think
That during the time of the quote unquote Prosperity Gospel I met I knew people who really L the Lord yeah and really you know felt called and wanted to do ministry but their motives got a bit twisted because it was like while I knew they loveed the Lord they did they also
Wanted that big church that huge Church you know and and to be on TV and to be living lavishly like some of these ministers on TV yes sir and so like you to your point that you know when you have those motives even if you really
Love the Lord they can mess you up that’s exactly that’s what happened that that happened with a lot of people uh uh my my homie no Nona Jones said this uh and I had to write it down she said you will not be a light in darkness if you admire the darkness oh
Oh yeah shout out to Nona she’ll be she’ll be on she’ll be in the basement soon I I I feel like um to your point I don’t think anybody gets in the ministry with the thought I can’t I can’t wait to embarrass your name Jesus like you know
What I mean I can’t wait to influence a lot of people and then fall flat on my face in front of those people and have to apologize for lying and you know nobody nobody does that but some along the way if there’s anything in you that’s enamored yeah right we’re supposed to be
In the world but not of it right Paul is not in front of fesus or uh any of the any of the uh was it a gripper a gripper like wow right king of yo right right right oh I’m up in here I’m yo and then like that’s true God’s
Opening doors for me no that’s Satan right that’s Satan opening up a trap for you that’s a great point you know what I mean so there there has to be you and that happens too much like I I tell men I’m like like if you’re talking about
Sexual Purity and all that stuff like I’m like look man cuz I tell what I tell Brothers is when you living for the Lord yeah you’re the Prototype you are what a man is supposed to be facts you faithful to your wife you’re raising your children you providing for your family you’re living
For God yep you helping others whatever that’s the prototypical man yes sir so when you walk don’t walk as ashamed nah don’t walk like nah you know you know you ashamed of how you living be Jesus walked with authority because he knew I am walking like a man is supposed to
Walk that’s exactly right and Christian men need to walk like we’re the prototypical man now it ain’t arrogance and self-righteousness cuz we’re only that because he created us that way he made us that Jesus made us that but we are the prototypical man and say to Brothers like look a lot of y’all
Privately you envying the Playboy you envying the Mac right now you you might not be out there doing that but privately you yeah yeah you living through you like to right right right like you you yeah man that boy he got to go in there
Man I wish I could do you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that should you should feel sorry for that brother absolutely absolutely correct absolutely correct and I say this man and obviously I met I met a ton of famous people I wouldn’t trade places with nobody I wouldn’t trade places with the
Best basketball player in the world the best football player in the world the president the richest dude in the world cuz I don’t know what what that dude I don’t know what’s in his mind I don’t know what he’s battling with and I’m not trying to imply that everybody out there
Got some secrets darkr I don’t know what you what really is going on in your life I know my life absolutely and I know God got me and I know whatever I’m battling with he got he going to help me overcome but I’m I’m not trying to trade place
With nobody and so men I’m like man stop envying the Playboy absolutely correct stop envying the Mac stop envying the pimp and all that stuff especially you a man of God yeah for sure and so that’s part of like we need to walk with the
Authority I agree of a that a man a god should walk with you look at them men in the Bible they was they walk strong and and you notice in the Bible there’s not a Dar of men there not a lack of men of God why in the church in
America is there a lack of men of God right we something we’re not doing right like I don’t look in the Bible and be and it’s all women and God bless the sisters cuz were there too obviously right they saw Jesus they they did their thing too abolutely but in America it’s
Lopsided right it’s too it’s way more women than men living for God so why it wasn’t that way in biblical times and so they but again those men in the Bible they walked and lived a certain way and we so to your point man you can’t overcome you can’t be envying
The even the rich dude right you know the the the power Monger whatever like you can’t be envying that okay okay okay okay all right bro so so so so uh o first let me say okay so um I always one of the calibrations I always make uh
When it comes to Jesus’s impact during his Earthly Ministry is that Jesus didn’t hang around siners like this is the the this is like the the perspective people try to have I’m going to the that’s where Jesus would have been Jesus would be at the
Bar would be at the strip club and Jesus would be here and Jesus would be here and I I’m like okay but let’s calibrate let’s let’s tweak the perspective Jesus didn’t hang around sinners sinners hung around Jesus that that comes from being the type of compelling man that people are
Like dud is just different I need to they was attached to him hey yo zakus climbed a tree fam right let forget about being short and stature this is a corrupt tax collector that’s been defrauding his own people he hears Jesus coming through town homie just wants to get a look at him
Right right you got to be living some type of life right for a grown man forget stature he’s a grown man who’s already paid who’s like I just got to see this dude and he’s up in a tree just to get a look this not blind Bame is
About to call on him nothing he was content with a look as he went by and Jesus looks up and goes hey bro I’m coming to your house for dinner tonight right zakus invites all his other corrupt homies and then repents and Jesus says there’s not a
Trer son of Abraham yeah than homie right here yeah that that that’s not yeah some feeble dude I’ve just come to die for y’all right right right I won’t be around Long like like you know what I mean this dude is like in your face yep and when you live
Like a man of God and you’re not ashamed of it and you’re respected you you will be respected and people will be attracted to that and Drawn to it and again being that man of God is not cuz you know there are some who may they may
Be legit Christians and God has blessed them with wealth and success and but and they let arrogance get in there yeah man right or or I can’t be around certain people so and so or I can’t you know like even some pastors do that right don’t touch don’t yeah that wasn’t Jesus
Re right touch don’t touch me you can’t even touch some dudes like Jesus wasn’t rocking like that Jesus walking through the multitudes they touching the him of His Garment all like that’s the man of God cuz again you can point to some dude oh he really successful God is blessing
Him man powerful man of God but the regular average person can’t touch him yeah for sure you know and and and so that’s like being that man the guy if you just regular and and I mean with me like one thing that helps me as I’ve gotten successful some worldly
Success I know is my testimony yeah for sure I know that just having the quote unquote American dream is not going to satisfy you so why would I sell out Jesus for more money why would I sell out Jesus for a higher position right when I know that higher position without
God is not going going to cut it I did a I did a little uh video last week I think it was you know it was about the Diddy and Cassie thing and I was like and I had thought this before but that just kind of sparked me to do it it’s
Too many people man I meet you meet so many people who want fame yes right they just want they want to be famous as a whether it’s an Entertainer or an athlete or whatever and the parents are pushing them they they want fame they want fame they want fame and I’m like
And they’ll do anything to get it and I’m like man Fame you can’t live off Fame you can’t man right can’t you can’t you can’t live off people wanting to take a picture with you no right after a while it’s like now look I I think the benefits of
Fame one people do give you things they do right you get free things that’s a benefit but the biggest benefit to me and obviously you can make money you make money but the impact you can have on people that’s exactly right that’s what I love most about Fame is that you can right
Their lives but if you’re not in it to impact people’s lives positively then it can destroy you and look I’m not even want to name names but look at how many Legends just let’s say singers died tragically or their lives were tragic absolutely and I’m like you
Are pushing your child or you want your whole goal is to be that y look at that person’s life absolutely again I’m not going to say names but I said to my wife recently I was like so and so and she she became incredibly famous she’s a
Legend yep I said so and so would have been better off if they had never become famous now we might have missed out on that great gift of music that they gave us right the quality of their life as this legendary incred ibly wealthy figure their life was freaking terrible
Yeah bro no no I’m with you so why you giving up you’re you’re giving up your manhood you giving up your you know as a woman your sexual Purity whatever you’re doing all these things you don’t really want to do or that you know you
Shouldn’t do to get a get Fame and at the end Fame is not going to make you happy anyway all right so you said you’re not going to name names I will uh and and I’m I’m using I’m using this particular family unit because it’s just
So public and we have enough years to be able to look back on it in hindsight and be like dang right Joe Jackson hold out his sons man he hold out his sons right it’s now do do we love do we love prepubescent Michael Jackson singing I
Saw ABC Mommy kissing Santa Claus and ABC we love it y but but we got to see we got to see this boy grow up and need the equivalent of a tranquilizer that would put an elephant to sleep just so that boy could close his eyes and he did not weigh 200 lbs
Yep yep everybody in this room right now put their head on their pillow last night without the assistance of fenel yep I’m almost certain I don’t have a prophetic gift there’s no discernment operating but I think the four of us here got to sleep last night without the assistance
Of fenil yeah let alone a dose that would knock out an elephant so if you are the King of Pop and you have a yo publishing catalog is worth more than most people singing right now worth more than Taylor Swift right worth more than Beyonce right now just your publishing catalog right your
Estate has outlived you and generated more money but you died trying to get to sleep right wow wow what profit than a man right man sobering bro that’s just like that’s just real talk so why why are you willing to do anything to get that okay
So to your point now now I’m about to take it somewhere else um uh I can’t speak for everybody that was on the presidential Council for Trump the the faith Advisory board for Trump but I’mma tell you what I do know and I’ll look right in this camera and
Say it and if anybody want to holl at me holl at me a lot of them people weren’t laying hands on a man just to rep praying for the President right many of them were laying hands on power absolutely and they were more intoxicated of being in a room with the most powerful
Man in America some would say in the world than they were caring about the soul of a man no doubt so no doubt and you and we could do that it habits on both sides that’s what I’m about to say we could do the same thing with with
With entertainers and stuff well we got this Entertainer coming to our church you like the fact that they’re in your church more than you care about their soul you you think it does something for to validate you when I when I see a when I see a
Believer who who who is more enamored by the validation of a worldly secular personality than the valid this is my son and I’m well pleased by God himself that’s when I know there’s inse in your heart and in your soul that will lead to compromise if you don’t get
That thing patched up and you see it you see the compromise left and right all of a sudden oh you was this great anointed Minister all of a sudden you just want to be a motivational speaker what you demoted yourself you w have a talk show you demoted yourself right right like no
It’s it’s man that is real and um I just I mean you you you absolutely right you’re absolutely right and um it it’s it’s incredibly unfortunate uh because like I remember years ago I was being interviewed to write a book uh a Christian who’s very successful and
Famous and I was one of authors he was interviewing to write his book and um you know he was a Believer so we were talking about you know my faith and stuff and and I was saying I said a statement that he really said to this
Day he res resonates with him and I said God did not lift me up to where I’m at for me to leave him out you know like like if God now again we understand context and all like you see me on TV I’m not preaching the gospel I’m not
Right I’m at work but but my lifestyle whatever if the door is open that’s right people know what I’m about ABS cor God didn’t lift me up God didn’t put you in contact with Oprah or whoever for you to leave him out that’s exactly right
And so too many dudes do that and and I always say like wait if it’s a pastor that does it yeah I’m like hold up your your whole like your livelihood isn’t even based on off of whether or not this person or rocks with you like I
I I I don’t want to say it’s an right but a person that’s a Christian that works in a secular Corporation or whatever their livelihood at least at that moment is based on that’s if you’re a pastor and you’re a big time influential mega church pastor you we
See you wealthy right right right your whole congregation is Christian your whole livelihood is based on Christian so why are you selling that’s right cuz why are you making your own members be like what did he just say did he really just deny that did he really just say that like
Why why you doing that you know what I’m saying yes I do know what you’re saying cuz the only thing you you again God’s put you to impact that person that’s exactly right and you selling it out yeah n you for the valid validation like like literally that’s that’s what it is
That’s the only thing it can be the validation cuz you’re already wealthy you’re already famous it’s the validation the these this congregation put you on the New York Times bestseller right and now that got the attention of somebody secular well that was for you to take the same life thank you thank
You and point it in the direction of that level of Darkness until I always tell people point the light of Jesus Christ in someone’s IND in into someone’s Direction individually until one of three things happens they warm up heat up or burn up that’s what light does yeah that’s
Real light will warm up a place it will light up a place it will warm up a place it will heat up a place and it will also burn you up right so so if I’m shining the light in darkness one of those three things need to happen What should not be
Happen is that I’m cooling down right I’m being defrosted cooling down and they being frozen right that should not be happening if if if I if if God opens up a door for me to interact with somebody in in a in a secular space and I’m actually cooling
Off I’m not I need to get up out of there amen amen I need to recognize oh I’m not I can’t be up in here with y’all some environments I can’t be in right like I just I just know me I’m going to keep it above like like there C there’s
Certain stuff I’m just not going to right like to open up this door would you go nah not going somebody asked me uh uh uh I think it was I think it was when we were with Zach but z um we were talking about um anyway like where where you’ve
Traveled or whatever but somebody asked me have you ever been to Brazil I said no I have not right right and they were like I said I’ve been invited like 20 30 times to go to Brazil and they were like man how come you haven’t gone I was like
Brazilians I but that’s but that’s if Juliet ain’t handcuffed to me if Juliet knows this it’s not like I’m like you know I got this strugg you don’t want to put yourself in that environment a girl that looks like Juliet speaking Portuguese to me is too much for me I
Can’t be there it’s just a buck right keeping it a buck but you know what that’s the beauty of the personal relationship that’s exactly right like you got to know what whether it’s what season of your life you in or what specific things you can and can’t handle
That’s right EX right and and so some one person might be able to go that’s right some places absolutely not for right exct for me right and but again that’s like my daughters they’re raised the exact same way yeah but they’re different and and sometimes I have to deal with them
Differently because their personality same thing with the Lord man and um yeah that’s real yeah I I um like I it’s interesting because you you were saying earlier you were like you know some people like Jesus would be at the the bar us would be at the strip club like
I’m like is any is anybody really is any Christian really saying that g I’m going to the strip club to minister cuz I’ve heard of preachers being in the strip there’s somebody that would say Jesus would be in the strip club oh for sure and they using that as a reason oh for
Sure I I I know I I know a dude that did a talk show and then was in the strip club after the talk show thinking thinking he was or justifying it because of the I have no idea what he thought he was doing like there there you weren’t there for the
Wings oh yeah some will lie about that they there for the wings I know you ain’t here for the wings what are we even talking about no there certain things no we just n do we just can’t do man we can’t do now I I support organizations that go into strip clubs
And give them toiletries and give them like all these great things for them have friends that are porn stars that have Ministries into the porn industry I support those Ministries I’m not going to the Porn Convention right not I right you ain’t catching me there and I love
Jesus right I’m just not going there amen and I’m about to help somebody just in case you thought you have to go everywhere for Jesus I’m about to help y’all out cuz you know I like giving your Bible for everything this is oh this is First Corinthians thank you holy
Spirit all right let me let me put somebody up on game real quick uh because this going to help somebody’s life all right just in case you need Bible for this every uh in I play dominoes right all money ain’t good money right you shouldn’t take
Everything right so so this is uh 1 Corinthians 16 this is this this is uh Paul writing now about our brother Apollo I urge him to visit you with the other believers now Apollos was considered the the silver the silver tonged orator of the day right Paul is a mighty Apostle
But he’s boring like somebody fell out yeah he’s not articulate right he didn’t come with powerful persuasion of speech right but Apollo is that dude he would have been the Billy Graham the TD Jake whatever right right right I urge him to visit you with the other believers but
He was not willing to go right now he will see you later when he has the opportunity Apollo to K Paul dude said I and it wasn’t like the holy spirit for BA he just said I’m not willing to go right now right some stuff
You just got to pass on right like I’m you know what I probably I probably shouldn’t somebody can yeah it probably shouldn’t be me but if I I if if you’re not that sensitive to who you are right you’ll think every Open Door is from the
Lord then you find yourself caught up in some stuff that you like I did did not expect right that’s right no man you you right about that like I say you know cuz I’m I mean you hear all types of stuff about Hollywood I’m I’m on the periphery of
That right yeah yeah yeah um and people say like people knowing who I am and what How I Live yeah I don’t get invited to certain stuff but that’s a protection yes it is you know like I mean I’ve been allar parties and stuff like that I’m
Not but I mean like stuff where stuff really goes down guess allegedly iin getting invited to that stuff right right which is good absolutely cuz I don’t need to be in in that stuff and and you don’t feel left out no hecky no no and you know what I I tell like I
Tell Brothers this too we all even as we not we don’t envy the we not supposed to envy the pimp and we don’t if we walking with the Lord yeah but we all as men you can think of sins you would love to do you think you would love to be but
Then there’s them sins you would hate to do you would hate to get caught up in you would hate to be in bondage yes sir to this type of yeah fam and the devil don’t play fair no he does not so let yourself you you know you go get up in
The Sin you like and you and next thing you know he might bring in something way you know that you you that disgust you but you become in bondage to it wow and there’s examples of that we could talk about too you know and so sin ain’t never satisfied right never
Satisi you you can’t sleep with enough women no you cannot it’s not like you you hit you know a certain number you’re like oh I’m I’m good I don’t you yeah hell is Never Satisfied the Robinson that’s exactly right you know and so yeah man it’s like you know Sin Sin Wars
Against your soul forever and it’s never going to stop right Romans 8 tells us that right the the sinful nature is has always been hostile towards God it never did obey God’s law and it never will right right so you can’t fast enough you can’t pray enough you just got to keep
Crucifying it cuz it it’ll wake up like you could I’ve been sober for 19 years Years it’ll be like want a sip today like like you know what I mean it ain’t like I guess we’re dead we won’t tempt you with this no more uh um I I’ll never
Forget going to see Ray in the movie theater uh portrayed by Jamie Fox I’m so grateful Jamie’s back on his feet he received an award recently and we’re so we love you so so um uh in the movie um and I just have to call him Ray not
Jamie cuz he channeled Ray uh uh you know he’s cheating on his wife he gets a house in uh bwin Hills which is like black Beverly Hills right yes yes and um uh his side chick calls the house and he picks up the phone and he’s like I told
You never to call me here right and I leaned over to Juliet real time while the movie’s playing and I said sin never stays where you put it oh that’s real we think we compartmentalize these aspects of our life and it’s like this is here and I
Still love Jesus and I still do this and that but I just got this little thing and it’s going to stay here sin never stays where you put it I I I used to think of an example of that like if you living in a
House and you tell Satan he can live you can live in the basement he ain’t going to stand in the basement I bet you he does right he going to move up and I bet you he does it’s funny I was talking to a friend of mine who unfortunately um he’s getting
Divorced cuz he had he cheated on his wife and the way she found out was he had had an accident he’s at the hospital and she’s looking at his phone right and he was we were talking after he’s like yeah man he was like if she’s not
Looking at my phone you know she don’t know and this whole thing and I said but that she should be able to look in your phone you know what I’m saying like my wife can look at my phone all night long abely can SC back 14 years what are we
Talking about I got a good story about Jamie Fox um I met Jamie I don’t it was a 2016 finals okay when uh the Cavs beat Golden State and it was we were in Cleveland and it was you know after one of the games yeah and
I met him in the tunnel like by the locker rooms and he’s and so we rapping and all this he’s like man he’s like you know he knew he’s like yo he really was like I love your witness for the Lord yeah for that’s really what he was
Talking about yeah and and it’s you know PE it’s the right after the game it’s like people all over the place he’s like man if I had my daughter here his daughter’s like two years old he’s like if I had my daughter here he’s like she
Know every book in the Bible she could recite it for you know I’m like you know so we talk about this so then we go our separate ways then after they win the championship remember they came back from they win game seven in in Oakland so we’re in the Cavs locker room champagne
Flowing all over Jamie Fox is in there and his daughter’s with him wow his music blasting all that right he picks his daughter up puts her mouth to my ear and that’s who’s in my DMs yep basketball players football players y only fans models porn stars all that kind of stuff
She she manages all that Juliana and but it’s like you may not you may like one clip you might hate another one but you know I’m about this life though right you right right take the 90 seconds out of context if you want to run up on me
And see what happens I’m about this life man it’s so powerful and you know thinking about like the African-American community in the Hispanic Community I believe it’s similar in the Hispanic Community but most whether it’s athletes entertainers whatever most African-Americans grew up with somebody telling them about Jesus and I think it
May be similar in the Hispanic commun somebody teaching you telling you about Jesus a aunt somebody a grandmother somebody dragging you to church it’s the truth you know and you heard it and those seeds are there I see it in a lot of NBA players seeds are there yes sir
But again that’s the importance of the witness and them seeing you know strong men that are willing or women that are willing to stand up for the gospel um and I fear speaking this part about the African-American community that may not no longer be the case going
Forward unfortunately I feel like like I don’t know that that is there anymore like this next generation of kids yes sir I don’t know that there’s going to be somebody dragging them is the mom going to be dragging them to church you know or the maybe I hope so yes sir yes
Sir but I didn’t think about that is somebody you know cuz we’re getting more our community is getting more secular too it is very true not quite it ain’t to the point of of mainstream White I tell like I’m like like I tell Rich white Christians like you want to help
Your your black brothers and sisters help build some schools that part help help help create some jobs yeah for sure absolutely like the hood don’t really need you to go in there and preach the gospel like the most evangelized people in person or or place in America is the
Hood I bet you it is I can go down to the Starbucks in the hood now and easily strike up a conversation about God that’s exactly right I can talk to a Muslim it might be a a Hebrew abolutely it might be a Christian it might be a
Nonb but y we can easily talk about Jesus you ain’t doing that out in the suburbs right for sure so you don’t need to necessarily come down there and preach Jesus but come down there and bring some jobs come down there and bring some better schools abolutely yeah
No I agree with you if the hood needs jobs that creates discipline accountability yeah income generation literal then you can have a conversation about here’s why you need to have character this is what it takes to get along with an employee this is why you don’t quit this is why you’re on
Probation right this is why you’re not getting promoted this is why you are getting promoted like you got to empower them right in a place that that deeply impacts them before you can pivot and do anything else right all right so um I I want to do something that uh is just
Very selfish it’s just absolutely selfish of me to even want to do this and so if you’re opposed to doing it you can be like hey brother I’ve given you enough of my time get out um bro I just want to talk sports with you for a
Minute n it’s all good I mean I mean I am a huge sports fan like I’m born and raised in La I am Dodgers Lakers Kings uh uh Dodgers Lakers and the Kings that’s it what about football oh oh oh and Raiders Raiders so so on my watch
They were they were La before they went back to Oakland before they’re now in Vegas and the Rams had moved and Rams don’t count right from St Louis so I don’t even count them so those are my four teams that I’m um that’s that’s I’m La everything right
When the Dodgers won in Texas it was a prophetic sign I was supposed to live there during the co year they actually they had to play right they finally won they won and it was in Texas I just thought God you want me to live here
There’s an in and out here the Dodgers won here you want me here okay so uh 20 years late for the confirmation but I got it all right my Lakers um I’m I’m vexed I’m gon tell you why I’m vexed I think Rob pelinka has wasted LeBron’s
Years wow um and I don’t think he is as good of a as a manager of PE as people make him out to be right I think what they’re celebrating are the mistakes he made and how quickly he’s been able to clean them up from a GM position right but in my
Book bringing Russell Westbrook is a is a huge ale when you could have had buddy held right and Miles Turner buddy Hill to me is those dudes would have both helped both H to me I’m gonna say this and I don’t I don’t know buddy Hill so he’ll probably get
Pissed but to me he’s like the discount Steph Curry if you’re if you’re a 40% three-point shooter and you don’t you’re not ball dominant right right right right right you’re going to be open that’s important right right to play with LeBron I I don’t know how and obviously LeBron wanted Westbrook
Too I I understand that I don’t know how anyone thought Westbrook and LeBron were gonna work together I mean both ball dominant both need to rock Westbrook can’t shoot yeah like it was no way they were going to work uh together so that was obviously a
Huge mistake I I’ll say this about the Lakers the only thing like way wasted LeBron’s primee the thing is LeBron’s been injured like all these years in La like every year he’s had some injury the one year he didn’t was the L or the U
The pandemic year and you got a three or four month break right and so he was able to stay healthy they won the championship so I don’t that’s the thing like at his age that’s what happens with age you can still play for sure but you can’t play consistently your body breaks
Down now what LeBron is doing I was saying this on on the eye couple the other night he darn near looks as good as ever and I have said for the past few years as he’s put up these huge numbers that that match basically what he’s done
Throughout his career I have said he’s not as good and he wasn’t say because he didn’t have the same impact on the game yep you know um the way he used to LeBron on your team you were going to be a top Contender yep every year when he
Was in his prime lately as he was putting up those numbers defensively wasn’t close to the same player so he couldn’t impact the game he couldn’t handle the ball as much and control the tempo and everything because of the stamina or LA and all that but this
Year he looks better to me this year than he looked last year and years before as good as he looked in those Laker year Y and I think it’s because he’s his jumper has gotten better it has now I don’t know how long this will continue and I’m not just
Talking about the three he’s shooting 40% from three which is crazy but that midrange look the mid-range he’s at like I was always the one of the things with I felt like LeBron did not have a great mid-range now he might catch it take a dribble and shoot or catch it and shoot
But I’m talking about I’m driving left or I’m driving right and I stop on a dime yep and pull up yep I’m I’m you don’t know and I may not know am I going all the way to the hoop or not but I stop on the dime and pull up that he
Didn’t have that no he did not Kobe had it Michael had it kawwai has it like that would have that’s what helps make you a better closer he he’s a good closer people you know it ain’t he’s been a good closer but if you got that
Range attack that that is key to being a great closer for sure and now it looks like he kind of got that or at least more than he had and then the three-point shot the form even looks a little smoother I’m like man and and maybe to his credit he’s adjusted to the
To the way the game’s played now with the emphasis on threes and and and they giving you yeah the mid-range jump shot for sure yeah yeah yeah defens is now if you’re at the three-point line they’re thinking I don’t want you shooting three exactly so they’re running you at you
Hard so you come off the three-point line and drive and you can hit they’ll they want you to take the mid-range shot they want to protect the rim and the paint and stop you from taking threes and that mid-range they don’t just give it to you but it’s the it’s the shot
That you going to get and if you can hit it that’s why a Durant who’s a mid-range assassin still putting up 31 points that’s the shot you get and the shooting percentages are Sky High yeah absolutely yeah all right and so and I I got to say this about Durant who’s obviously
Awesome but I this is what I would say to Durant man take more three-pointers he’s only taken like four and a half threes a game this year wow I don’t think he’s ever taken he’s I I’m almost positive he’s never taken seven a game as a for a season he’s a great
Three-point shooter and I used to say well your rhythm’s your Rhythm yeah if I’m a Hooper and I my rhythm is in the mid-range and I know if I start shooting more threes it’s just not my rhythm Y and there’s truth to that but
My point is in the off seon yep you can work on that three to get yourself in Rhythm on the three he would ask so he should be taking like nine threes a game eight to nine threes a game and it would add even more to his point total and and
His team yeah I I um I agree with you I I just I’m a Lakers fan and LeBron just happen to come in my team because I’m Lakers life like I don’t care who’s on the team Nick vanex I don’t care if it was Eddie Jones
I don’t care if it was Cedric sabalos Kobe after Shaq left we was pitiful for like four five years until pal gasa got there like like I a dieh hard Lakers fan and so LeBron’s always been one of my favorite players right but now that he’s
Come to my team team is just it’s just way more personal for me I wish Rob pelinka would have been more David Griffin than Rob pinka in terms of like like and I’m going back to this just because my soul needs to right like like when
It with Westbrook right I know it’s your desire to play with him I would have let LeBron be pissed at me for two months not look that’s that’s fair I know it’s a would have could have should have you know what I mean and and and to be
Honest in that position that’s your job that’s what I’m saying that’s what you’re called heard you right duly noted but bro right after the first two months of this season you were going to be so happy and you can check his stat sheet and then you can check yours and these
Teammates we going to be Gucci right so no I I I um I I feel that how how do you what do you feel about the um the tournament you know what it’s been good yeah um I have said this I think 10 years from now maybe five
Because it started off hot it’s gonna be a big deal it’s not it’s not gonna be a final NBA Finals nor should it be right just a regular season tournament but it will be a big deal and let I I said this on first things first the other day
Let’s say Victor wiama and Chad holgren end up having this great rivalry Right Where You debate who’s better who’s better I think the arguments will be well some and so got three rings you know obviously you bring up individual stats and bro won five in season tournaments so and only got two
In season like I think it’s going to be that type of thing it’s going to be an achievement an accomplishment for and I think part of it that is that LeBron is taking it so seriously his numbers in the tournament games are they’re good period but they’re better yes sir
Absolutely he significantly better in the tournament games than in the regular the other games yeah and so he’s taking it seriously it appears that he really wants to win his first the first inseason tournament ever as the that will legitimize it right so now next
Year like this year joic isn’t in it I don’t know how seriously they took it yeah yeah for sure um obviously Milwaukee got to the final four got beat but Boston got like a lot of the top teams I don’t know how seriously they took it LeBron taking it seriously next
Year you can bet who is going to take it serious and I think it’ll become a thing I I um I didn’t think about this to right now but I wonder being that LeBron has been in as many finals as he’s been in right 10 if it’s if it was like
A like like this kind of switch in his mind like tournament finals what like what like you know what I mean like I got to get this I got to get this like this this well I think man even with Allstar games it’s just yeah he wants to
Win yeah he ain’t trying to like just play in it he trying to win it well I think that and I’m glad you brought the allstar cuz I want to get to that in a minute Um you LeBron said the other day he said man it’s a bunch of alpha males in this league so you put any competition in front of us we going to want to win for sure and I think back like when I played or other people played in college you
Were in Christmas tournaments yeah it wasn’t going to guarantee you got to the to the NCAA tournament or anything else but you wanted to win y like so you these creating a tournament they understand and and to many of them 500,000 isn’t that much money yeah um
And it’s not going to guarantee you a playoff spot it’s not the equivalent of a championship but it’s a tournament yeah I want to win it and I think that’s what LeBron and some others have thought for sure now for the allar game you know Adam Silver
Broached the subject of being making it International verse American the game right he he’s not there yet but he’s saying people throwing that out we we would maybe look at that you know yeah he did that a few months ago for years I have said that’s what the allstar game
Needs to be as it was dying like competition I said it need they should make it International verse American now I don’t think I want that because I think America would get crushed you are taking the words out of my mouth they would get smashed and I don’t think any of us and
The NBA does not need it’s American stars getting walked right in the because first of all the the the international players they want to compete like when they in the allstar game Giannis be like I want to play yeah for sure absolutely like everybody else is out there LLY throwing
Upter right he wants the ball and he looks out of play so number one I think they would take it seriously absolutely and they just play right now they’re playing better team ball yeah for sure than us joic and you know and so and look man arguably yep the four best
Players in the world joic Giannis MB and Luca argue if you wanna does somebody want to argue Steph or now LeBron he’s still playing well okay but those are arguably the four best players in the world obviously all International and I haven’t even mentioned Shay gildess Alexander from Canada Jamal Murray from
Canada you know I mean Victor Wim banama obviously you know France so it’s Lori marking like it’s we got to get we got to get our games together as Americans so so here here’s the historical time well I’m not going to say a historical timeline but what
Pops up in my mind when you say that what precipitated the need for a Dream Team well yeah our college guys were getting beat okay then what precipitated the need for a redeemed team we our our Pros were getting NBA all stars were getting right right right and now we’re
Trying to get one more together right and you know what this going to be the last one this goingon to be the last one and right this the last one where when we send LeBron and Steph and KD this the last one where we like we know
We gonna win because after that right it’s like getting the Avengers out for the last time like Tony Stark is going to snap and he going to be dead and they better win they better win because here’s the thing even though we mentioned so many of the the top players
Are international they’re different countries yeah for sure there’s no excuse for us to send our absolute best correct and lose absolutely correct but this will be the last thing cuz that next generation of best Americans job Mor Zion uh uh Trey young go halberton all they not guaranteed to win the Olympics
Okay so Zion won’t do his diet right J won’t take them guns out of his hand uh right I’m hoping them brothers get it together but but even if they do they’re very very young right so there’s still time to Pivot but my the the international game they are just more
Fundamentally sound yes yes our our the American game is so tied to athleticism and just the talent yeah that they not setting a screen like these other dudes is like 1 2 3 4 five elbow my coach told me to line it up ain’t nobody out there trying
To razzled Dazzle these dudes are playing sound because when you don’t have athleticism you must be so when you get athleticism and you’re going to be sound you get Michael Jordan that’s Michael J Michael Jord that’s what makes him to me the goat the the combination of Otherworldly freakish athleticism with the fundamental
Fundamentally sound understanding the game LeBron’s similar yep you know crazy athleticism understands the game fundamentally sounds smart and you’re right like that’s why most NBA teams play one or Twan basketball yep whereas ISO me I’m your best player ISO me or let me create everything for everybody y
So y’all spot up at the three I’mma draw the defense and kick to you you just shoot or high pick and roll everybody else get at the three-point line me and the me and the Pigman will he’ll either roll he pop or I’ll do something or or
I’ll kick it out to you yep the what beats that is fiveman basketball absolutely correct where where the ball is moving it’s snapping and we players are moving and dudes can shoot right so Golden State they were never other than when Durant was there but they won it
Before Durant after Durant they weren’t the most talented team no but’s a second round pick Steph Lottery Kay late Lottery but they played like a team that’s exactly right they played fiveman basketball you couldn’t keep up with him no yeah you got you got to get to Curry
Through like three screens right when I played ball the coaches taught us the pass is faster than the dribble now I will say this the dude’s handles better than ever no hard has never heard that s life right right but the the dude’s handles are better than
Ever yes sir in some part because they let them carry right but still the handles are I mean they carrying like crazy you know you can’t just put the ball your palm under the ball but they do that all the time but the handles are crazy the distance on the r jump
Shooting range is crazy and the athleticism better than ever all that true but the understanding of the game playing fiveman basketball making entry passes I saw somebody last night I was watching the Spurs game Victor Wim banyas posted up 74 right and the dude dudes on the wing his teammate
Guarded tries to make him an entry pass bounce pass entry pass and the defender that’s guarding the passers steals it yeah I’m like dude why in the world are you making a bounce past him he’s 74 all he got to do is put his hand up
Throw it to his hand exactly yeah and you making a bounce pass yeah like throw it 9 ft in the air he has the wingspan to go get that don’t know the fun like playing at Team Basketball like you said they don’t know and and LeBron was
Guilty of this early a large part of his career most of his prime not moving without the basketball right not setting screens to your point yep for sure and ball dominance man is not the best way to win it’s not the best way to win because it it’s it’s great for your
Teammates that can’t do nothing by themselves right right right right if I can’t create my own shot then I need you to be ball Domin draw The Defenders and kick it to me and I’ll just shoot or I can’t do nothing but rebound I’m a Defender right I can’t create my own
Stuff that’s great but if I can I got handle I can get to the cup I can create my own stuff for you for others I’m GNA get frustrated with somebody that’s pounding the ball for 20 that’s exactly right and so that’s what a lot of American basketball has become Y and
That’s why to your point we’re they fundamentally sound overseas yeah yeah you know they are I mean it’s it’s it it it is it’s embarrassing to watch at at times when I’m like these dudes are just playing a better yeah game than these other guys talented athletic they got
The athleticism they will dunk over you the whole nine Vince Carter dunking over like they’ll do all of that and you’re going to get a bronze like up with a bronze medal with all that Talent that’s embarrassing right all right so uh uh we end with this you already said
Who your goat is so I’m not g I don’t even want to enter that debate your goat is LeBron I here’s what I’m gonna say I I I don’t want to debate goat right I’m gonna go with and I have this is from hindsight obviously this not real time
From hindsight I’m going to go with who would I rather play with would I rather have six rings in the finals with Jordan right or whether I would I rather have four go four and six right with LeBron and I’d rather have four chips with LeBron than six with Jordan because
Of the style of play or what it ain’t even you rather have his career I’d rather have the camaraderie really this coming this is coming back to Brotherhood right okay Jordan does the Last Dance documentary right it comes out at the perfect time we ain’t got nothing to do
Our snow our soul our souls are snatched right it’s a pandemic documentary everybody couldn’t wait to see that right it was like and I was doing my radio show yeah yeah yeah so we needed something to talk about we talked about that for the first three days of
The week then we got ready for the next one and then we it was crazy we were held hostage right Jordan found another way had a better way time to put that out 20 something years later we talking about Jordan like he’s like he on the court right now right during the
Pandemic it was Whoever thought about that was just a genius and him signing off on it thank you Michael Jeffrey Jordan but this dude was either in his house cuz his house can’t look like a hotel so I don’t know if this is a penthouse suite or his house or his
House is a penthouse suite I don’t know and St CER is they they got to go on location with him they got to go on location with pipp and they got to go on location Oh you mean when he stayed when he was on the road when he traveled no
I’m just no I’m talking about after I’m talking about this is the last dance right you are in a room by yourself watching on the iPad none of these dudes is in the room with you none of these boy there’s not a clip of yeah we caught up with we
Brought them all back together like there’s none of that with with GE he did get along with Cass though like like when I mean obviously everybody knows about his fight with Steve Kerr yeah yeah yeah yeah but him and Pimpin were boys they were cool yeah yeah yeah
Ryan Harper they were all cool um in fact and and you know it’s funny because Scotty came out afterwards criticizing it mad about yeah he had seen it he had known before it aired wow what was in it and GE and when Scotty went off Jordon
Was in touch with all his teammates and they was all like man we don’t know what Scotty doing like so there was some camaraderie I mean okay LeBron and maybe we couldn’t see it because I don’t know when it yeah yeah I don’t know when he taped his reactions
And stuff like that it okay so there was a perception there yeah yeah no he he was he was I mean he got along with teammates he was him and LeBron are different personalities yes LeBron man I LeBron I remember I covered him a lot his first s in Cleveland I
Mean he I if I’m not he had a personal handshake with every teammate still does yeah like they even if they on different teams now he sees them and it’s the same da up yeah now he is a real like gregarious people type person um and Jordan is like LeBron is
About I mean his team was his family yeah yeah for sure you know growing up as a single child and his boys that he grew up with and his teammates um some of his movies more than a game not the one that’s out now which is great I think is Shooting Stars
That’s awesome but more than a game he made year early in his career y talk just shows you how his team was his family so he he’s great with all that stuff but um I would say I just look at it like and and look when you talk about the goat LeBron
Obviously has the longevity argument there there’s never been a player he’s the Tom Brady of I agree the NBA absolutely Hank Aaron was 40 years old hitting 40 homers he’s the Hank or 39 no I don’t know if he’s but Hank Aaron was old hitting all I think 39 hit 40 homers
Right right right right and he uh you know had that longevity so LeBron’s got that on a lot yeah for sure I agree um but there is there does come a point where the longevity argument can hurt you because to your point you said Jordan Jordan played 15 years won six
Rings and two of those years really one he was hurt only played 17 games and one he came back from baseball play like 18 games whatever um think both of houon Chip I think both of Houston’s chips is only because you would think I mean could he have could he have
Actually been had the mental toughness to go win eight straight I mean I don’t know his father death right like cuz he won the three you’re right I I T I agree that I think they would have won it but he might have left you know W but yeah
But you got six and 15 years and it’s not just about rings but six and 15 years and then four in 20 years I and that you see what I’m saying like Jordan was literally winning numbers don’t lie at a twice the rate of LeBron as far as
Championship for sure for sure for that’s where you know cuz I think 6 and 15 is like one every two and a half years 4 and 20 is obviously one every five years so that is where that is one of our I mean I I think there’s others I think like LeBron’s ball
Dominance what I I think that’s a knock against him a little bit you know um but you know look I I’ve always said this it’ll be interesting if if it comes true my the older generation doesn’t necessarily think Jordan’s the goat right like you ask dudes in their 70s
And stuff players right there like they might say well it is not one or we don’t know or they might say Kareem or Willer yeah it’s my generation that says Jordan’s the goat and I’ve always said when the younger boys the Millennials or whatever the Gen Z what when they’re
Talking goat yeah and they’re the ones on TV they’re the ones dominating the conversation right right LeBron’s probably going to be recognized as the goat now the Last Dance threw a monkey wrench into that oh yeah cuz after that you know young boys was like oh no he is
Jordan is so I don’t know but yeah I think LeBron right now is intent yep on doing everything he can to try to win that argument and I think that’s part of Breaking All the these records and winning this NC tournament is what it is but just any little thing whatever it is
He know he got the longevity Y and you know he’s he’s look the dude is incred what’s incredible is he fulfilled the promise like most people most players that are that b hooded and taled don’t fulfill it he fulfilled Jordan didn’t have all that pressure you know what I
Mean AB correct he didn’t come in with a crown on his head he was a third pick yeah that’s very true you know and he was people knew he was great but it wasn’t none of that was expected n and so that’s that’s that’s a definitely a
Feather in LeBron’s yeah no I no I agree with you I mine is purely off personality right I I who you would have more fun playing with yeah that that’s what I mean those stats don’t numbers don’t lie and I’m not going to argue with them right for me it’s just
Like the person ity like I see like Let’s Take Kobe Kobe is a fact simile of Jordan right God Rest his soul yes and coob it’d be harder to play with coob personality wise what I’m saying right right like like like like coob and Dwight Howard wasn’t gonna work right right
Right but Dwight even though time had passed Dwight and LeBron got a chip right like you some people just Thrive under certain personalities and I think personality that’s that that’s that blue collar you know what I’m saying baby boomer yeah like hey dude yeah I’m getting mine you better get yours and if
You don’t want to do it this where I’m going you better come with you know you’re right I often say like Kobe played eight years with Shaq in in their Prime in Shaq’s Prime and got three rings which is great yeah but I used to say give LeBron eight years with Shaq
And Shaq’s in his prime we got six yeah man come on that’s see that like I think I don’t think there’s an argument y between Kobe and LeBron like I think Jordan is I mean LeBron is clearly better than Kobe and that’s one of the I
Mean that’s not a proof right but I yeah I think clearly him and Shaq cuz he wouldn’t have been tripping off Shaq getting attention or you know yeah I I uh and LeBron’s I mean outside you know this ad era aside all his chips never required like a dope
Center oh no right like like when never had you went to the finals with Anderson ver like Booby Gibson was on your team he never had a great Center I mean by that time Dwight like ad I guess played a little center right right right but he
Was really a power forward and um yeah Dwight was not him you know his his crie at that point yeah yeah dude okay I don’t want to go back to this we about to wrap up I promise we are um uh uh uh e even that bubble chip even that bubble
Championship to to break them up I’m like if if if they were good in the bubble give them a full season yeah like between McGee and Dwight those minutes yeah they could have they could have gave you another run been interesting that would that would have been interesting had shooting they had and
Look some of it and I guess you could have kept but some of it you know dudes when you win you get better offers abely dud split but they should have matched Caruso though that would yeah Caruso would would now they kind of got a little bit of Caruso now he’s better
Than Caruso offensively in Reeves Austin Reed a nice Squad imagine if they would haveo Caruso and got Reeves oh it’s just my favorite team I’m sorry y’all I I know I’m you like we got to get some there’s a Celtics fan looking right now like ask him about them no right
When you have him on your pod you can ask him the questions you want to Sir Chris no man I enjoyed it yo man thank you thank you for um thank you for making a wish on your 21st birthday man that made this whole life possible like that’s that’s
Probably one of the most endearing test monies of coming to Jesus I’ve ever heard that’s why I think it made me so emotional I’m so grateful um for the time that you gave us um for the organization that you founded thank you man can I make a few announcements about
That please absolutely and we’re going to have links to all we’ll have links to everything on on uh YouTube on bside great we want we want every because if there’s 20 chapters nationally we got men yep on top of men on top of men uh almost 50% of our listening audience
Is men that’s great man which is not usually in right in the space powerful so so we’re raising Godly men um and we want them plugged in amen so please tell us well I was going to say like the king movement the website is King movement.com sir we’re on Instagram and
Uh Twitter obviously um if they’re interested glue TV so if they’re well let me say first if they’re interested in joining King yep uh you can email us at King King movement.com we’ll get the email and reach out yes sir um as you said glue we there’s a new Christian
Streaming app called GL it’s not on phones yet okay but it’s on television got it called uh glue Glu stands for God loves you but it’s Glu Network King TV is on there great and I’ll tell you this I’m I’m glad I didn’t think about this
But if you go so if you download the glue Network app you get it for free great you go there and then you’ll see all types of boxes for different Ministries and one you’ll see King TV it’s my picture in our King logo okay so you go there I feel like Christianity in
America obviously there’s nothing wrong with pure biblical Christianity yeah but Christianity in America needs a Rebrand I agree right you thought we was done hey bro no it right it needs a Rebrand and because too many people associated with whether it’s right-wing politics or they associated with racism or slavery and
Desegregation or segregation all that stuff right or for whatever other thing they may when you go to King TV on the glue net well first let me shout out uh because I think they’ve done a good job of rebranding it to a degree uh he gets us okay those commercials yes absolutely
They like gritty and they’re people of color you know all people but a lot of people of color that’s I mean that’s really what Jesus was about right when you look I mean Jesus was in the hoods right Jesus came to an oppressed people they were second class citizens in the
Roman Empire like they didn’t punches probably hardly even knew who he was yes exactly like who this rascal you know what I mean exactly I don’t see nothing wrong with him right he didn’t even really know what Jesus was about Jesus was in the hood
And that he gets us does a good job of rebranding that and when you go to King TV on the glue Network I feel like and I didn’t even purpose this just what king is yeah I feel like it’s unlike anything you’ve seen on Christian television yes sir cuz
You’ll see the photos it’s just regular Brothers um we got stuff up there about Urban apologetics addressing all the challenges to Christian faith in in in the Black and Hispanic or black communities mainly y uh Urban issues we address lot of manhood stuff there’s hipop videos up there but it’s it it
Really is like man these are real brothers and they talking about God it ain’t religious at all so glue Network definitely check that out um and our King National Summit now we do events at the Super Bowl and the NBA Allstar game too dope Super Bowl we do something
Called the Huddle where we minister to young men you know teenage teenagers in college age okay um and we do something uh called um uh I can’t think of the name off top of my head but the Huddle um and then the king National Summit yep so that’s
Our annual Men’s Conference we do it in different cities every year we’ve done Atlanta Memphis uh Charlotte Philadelphia last year it’s in Cleveland March 14th through the 17th okay which is a Thursday into a Sunday y 2024 but M most of the just of it is that Friday
And Saturday the 15th 16th we got workshops we got speakers um it’ll be hundreds of men from all over the country hopefully thousands of men from all over the country it’s at the word Church in Cleveland the biggest church there Pastor R Vernon great ministry um
So if you’re interested in that you want to register for that go to kingsumo org got it kumit dog uh but also that night Saturday night the 16th there’s a basketball tournament called the midnight Rumble wow and we put a basketball tournament every year and so we it’s five on
Five six ages 16 to 34 is a five on five tournament okay and um the winner gets F the winner gets $4,000 okay the runner up gets a th000 okay the team we have brothers complain cuz you know it’s some brothers that be hooping young boys 20 somethings so brother others was like
Man create a 35 and over yeah so we got a 35 and over that’s three on three half court wow that prize money is $3,000 so any cats that want to hoop you know we encourage you to come check that out but yeah come check out the king National
Summit it’ll be hip hop there it’ll be great workshops dealing with everything from finances to sex to uh fatherhood mental health and then we got great ministers that are going to be speaking um and yeah it’s just a good time it’s just brothers hanging out and and
Kicking it in a Godly atmosphere so um yeah the kings.org if you want to attend and registration is only like $50 for early bird 75 after that okay all right so let me coign on this for for all of my men that are dwellers what you cannot
Do when I have a guest like this is listen to this pod watch this pod and then still say I can’t find Community I can’t find mentorship I have a hard time connecting with other men it’s hard for me to find other Godly men they’re trying to live like that did you
Even listen to this whole podt that’s my first thing secondly are you even a dweller right because this is what we’re always trying to do ksum org March 14th through the 17th Cleveland Ohio get there if you live already in that region or in the surrounding area
Drive there right mark it on your calendars fly there why would you put yourself in a position to want to succeed in life and then not go to the place where you can actually make those connections so um uh if if this pod has told you nothing it’s
That we value value discipleship amen and we value Brotherhood we value Sisterhood as well but for our brothers to be impacted and to be able to go out and be an influence to others and then if you can find it in your own chapter what I
Would what I would ask you to do is first of all go to the uh website kings.com and see if there’s a chapter near you if there is a chapter near you you don’t even have to wait till March right but King movement.com King movement.com thank you for the correction Kingdom movement.com
Movement King movement.com k i n g movement.com I got it King King movement.com go go find out if there’s a chapter near you run up on the chapter you ain’t even got to wait until March amen but then March is like the mecca like that’s where everyone’s going to
Gather and then you can see for yourself in a conscious in a concentrated way that the enemy’s been lying to you you ain’t alone amen there’s other young men out here that’s about that life and they’re committed to living this life as Disciples of Jesus not just as those
Being rescued as Jesus the reason why I almost jumped out of my skin Chris is when you talked about there needs to be a Rebrand for Christianity I don’t even call myself a Christian like just because it I’m like it it comes with some y’all need to go
Work on that name real quick I’m a Believer in Jesus right cuz I don’t know I don’t know what you mean when you say Christian I don’t know where you rank yourself I know Christians out here that’s like polygamy ain’t wrong you know what I’m saying I got it is some of
Them cats out there you know what I’m saying you got Christians out here rolling blunts like Hey listen the lord gave me this herb from the earth so I’m like I am a believer in Jesus and I am adherent to his word as it is written in
Scripture right right so through a valid translation right I got to make all these disclaimers right so so I I I want people that are really committed to picking up their cross eating his flesh drinking his blood right like those that say yes on a daily basis when you make a
Decision for Jesus you’re not making that decision once and for all amen you’re making that decision every day of your life sometimes every hour of your life right depending on how how how much of a pressure cooker of life you might be in you might be making it multiple
Times a day like I I’m still making the decision I still decide I still make that though you slay me yet will I serve I’m still like like like we’re out here trying to make disciples because disciples that make decisions are the ones that upset the world so you’ve heard it from Chris
You’ve heard it from me get to this Summit and watch your life change get around Brothers watch your life change I want to talk to my sisters real quick um uh and you know when I mean sisters I mean all of y’all um you got a man that you love send
Him amen all all the men that that that you you already in that mindset register all the women that have a man that you love register him you’re going I bought you I I already gave you the registration you have no excuse you’ve been talking about this I’ve
Heard you I signed you up get out there holl at me when you come back amen let’s pack it out amen that’s all I’m trying to do let’s pack it out if God gives me influence I’m trying to use it we got the space we got the space yeah this we
We at the largest church in in in the in the area let’s get it cracken so um man thank you thank you for your time thank you for your hospitality um and uh I can’t wait to do it again and we definitely will and you wasn’t playing about the three four
Hours like hey bro but it was it was just no it was great man yeah no the flow you know the that’s the great thing about podcast yes sir it’s just it’s just you can unpack everything that’s right you know this was this was good
Man yeah I don’t like you know when we have to have a heart out you know what I mean I’m like I wanted to breathe so and look how much go we got out of it like I feel like I know you better understand and then the testimony oh my God okay
All right before we go another round I love y’all and until next time Peace So press be with me and let’s let whatever going be just be yeah so press be with me and let’s let whatever going be just be
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