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Okay so there has been a picture circling the internet um among people who don’t trust what’s going on in Deli Indiana with the Abby and Libby case um you know Brad holder was mentioned in the Frank’s memorandum um by Richard Allen’s defense attorneys uh and he was a like a suspect of the
Public not only the public though uh because we have that new document about them destroying the state destroying exculpatory evidence because he was interviewed about the crime only three days after it happened along with Patrick Westfall um but he was suspected by the public very early
On because of the really weird things he was posting on social media like odinist type stuff uh Freemasonry stuff um also like pictures that looked like the crime scene like oddly similar to the crime scene um a lot of strange stuff and he started taunting the public like putting on a a
Hat that people thought looked like Bridge guy uh and and provoking people um in the Frank’s memorandum you know there were things said by his ex that you know he literally accused Patrick Westfall of doing it and um a group of people known as the vinlanders and that they also had
A hand in the Floor of fires um there’s a lot of allegations in that Frank’s memorandum surrounding him and Patrick Westfall and other other men um Elvis field supposedly literally confessed and said he spit on the bodies like there’s horrible things mentioned in the Frank’s memo and it’s
Insane to learn that there is a connection between Brad holder and the prosecutor of this case yeah it’s like almost absurd uh does that say which Lodge yeah okay so this picture um shows Brad halter as a 33rd degree Freemason at the Tipton Lodge in Logansport Indiana and
We now have a picture of prosecutor mcleland um at the Tipton the Tipton Lodge also posted that uh but it says he’s a member of the Mount Zion Lodge in Camden um but he apparently got a award or something in Tipton Lodge mm degree received his mm degree this
Evening in Tipton lodge number 33 yep and remember 33 is like their number it is their number very much so um it’s the highest if you’re a 33 degree Mason um at least in I think the Scottish right I
Believe but it that to know they go to the same Lodge is kind of disturbing it’s disturbing because it makes you wonder if it could Al the course of an investigation now I want to mention that prosecutor mcleland was not the prosecutor on this case when it first happened the prosecutor on
This case was Robert IES Robert IES I tried to look into to see if he was a member of the lodge and while I can’t any find anything definitive right now I do have an obituary and this obituary
Is for an Elizabeth Betsy IES um 41 of Logansport formerly of Deli formerly of Deli um she died March 23rd in 2000 um at her residence uh and I I’m not going to go into all of her details uh but her brother is Robert tees of
Flora wow and Betsy IES Elizabeth Betsy IES was buried in the Masonic SE Cemetery in Deli now when you look up the Masonic Cemetery all I can find on it is that it used to be under the jurisdiction of Deli but since they have moved it to um not literally moved this the
Cemetery but it’s now being maintained by Deer Creek okay and it has there’s a bunch of weird financing mumbo jumbo in this article um I’d be interested to talk about it on you know the True Crime talk show maybe go into it more um because I I don’t understand all the you know
Fin fcy stuffff that has to do with it um but it says the Deer Creek Township has assumed ownership of the Masonic Cemetery known as the Mount Olive Cemetery at the corner of Armory Road in Hamilton
Street in Deli the group voted Monday to purchase a sign for the cemetery for $400 um according to the Carrol County area Planning Commission office there are regulations about signs and permit must be obtained before installation trustee Doris mccleland presented a Township board members uh
Presented Township board members David McCain Janie Smith and Jane Abbott with a resolution to allow 25,000 short-term loan from the township fund to be added to the Parks and Recreation fund mcleland said there is not enough in the Parks fund to meet obligations such as requests for
Mike Patty for $15,000 for the L & A Park see like it’s I don’t know it’s like it’s a whole bunch of like Town financy stuff yeah but it’s also interesting that like the lady’s name that
Is in charge of all this is mcleland yeah you know like how tight it is this community it is real tight it’s a Tiny Town it’s super tiny extremely small everybody knows everybody yeah I know it’s
Crazy so um I started digging into the history of Deli a little bit and I wanted to like go back to the legend of Deli okay so Deli is based it was named after the like the town of Deli in Greece
And if you know anything about like masonry you know that they take they draw symbolism from all kinds of places and usually it’s supposed to mean something positive like wisdom or you know they built strong structures you know um and they say that all of this stuff is like supposed to build
A better man like that’s their goal at the end of the day if you watch any documentary where a Mason is telling you what their organization is about it’s about being a better person literally yeah
That’s what they say um but so this is a secret society okay is what this website says and it’s literally from National Geographic the Oracle of Deli in ancient Greece citizens who had burning question who had a burning question could seek the God’s wisdom through oracles and there was
No more influential Oracle than the one at Deli reaching its peak influence between the eth and sixth centuries BC the massive Temple dedicated to the god Apollo stood at the heart of the deli Sanctuary that on most days served as a place of worship but for nine days a year the temple became
An oracle when a special medium called the pythia received a select group of visitors who had made a sizable donation for the privilege um on the appointed day pathia usually a young woman and Deli native would drink and bathe in the waters of the c c cotus codus Fountain she then entered
The temple to take her place in the inner sanctum the adaton the Oracle herself never spoke instead she entered into a trance brought on according to the Greek his historian plutar by mysterious Vapors writhing and convulsing as she uttered strange sounds and cries the priest interpreted
These utterances and produced a response which gave them tremendous power uh especially if the question pertained to an important political matter um so basically historians have looked into this and said there’s a fault underneath the town and it did give off vapor and gases
That induced like these states really yeah wow yeah that’s weird it’s way weaker now they said it would have been way stronger back then when this was going on and it’s gotten weaker and weaker over time um so you know I’m not going to go into like the history of Freemasons because
That’s available all kinds of places um and you guys can do that research yourselves but I did go back into the history of Deli Indiana which I thought was really really interesting as I looked into it um because it seems to me to have really deep roots in Freemasonry um and this
Isn’t conspiracy like the Grand Lodge of England there were Masons that came over from there and literally fought to separate America from England and they created a society here like so all of the lodges in Indiana came from Kentucky okay they came from Kentucky and they I I actually don’t
Remember the first one I think it it’s some V name like veny I don’t remember the name of the first one in Indiana um but I do have a document showing it I maybe I can look at it in a second but this
Is about the county history um so Carol County is actually named named after Charles Carol of Carolton he is the only surviving signer of the Declaration of Independence at that time and he was a prominent Freemason um Samuel so in 1828 General Samuel Milroy presented a petition for
The formation of Carol County named after you know Charles Carolton um and Sam Milroy is a Freemason yeah that’s pretty crazy yeah so the first settlers had come to Carol County at the end of 1824 to the deli area the earliest families were headed by Abner and Henry Robinson and also
Samuel Milroy there’s also a bunch of other names here um by 1826 there were hundreds of settlers they built cabins cleared the heavy timber for roads farmland built saw mills and Grist Mills um they mainly came from Ohio Virginia and Kentucky and The Lodges built in Indiana were mostly from
Kentucky but there were some from Ohio as well um the county seat of the government was first called Carolton but was soon changed to Deli now for whatever reason they claim Henry Robinson founded Deli like was the first settling family to set Deli and that he named it but I don’t
Know if that’s actually true like I don’t know if there’s a historical document stating that and if he’s if Samuel Milroy has to do with the creation of this County in Del in Deli he literally lived
In Deli and died like very near there like they probably all had a hand in naming Deli and Deli is there is significance to Deli Freemasonry and I’m going to show you how so I have these pictures
And I got them from a masonic lodge who literally posted them explaining the history um so the delic tripod base of Delian tripod is a powerful symbol in Freemasonry and it represents the importance of Education in the Masonic Journey the tripod is made up of three serpents which
Represents the three pillars of Freemasonry wisdom strength and beauty the serpents are intertwined which represents the interconnectedness of these three pillars like likewise the three heads of the serpent support the three feet of the tribe prod representing the foundation of an education it’s
Also a reminder of importance of learning from the past it was original originally a religious symbol in ancient Greece and it was used in the Oracle of Deli the Oracle was a place where people came to seek wisdom you know we already we just learned about that in the craft delic tripod represents
The importance of learning from the past in order to build a better future so that is it and that symbology is used all over Freemasonry yeah and that’s from the Oracle of deli and Deli is the seat the seat of Carol County which is named after the last signer of the Declaration of
Independence that was alive and is a prominent Freemason that’s interesting now Freemasons at this time when America was being settled they had military chapters and all kinds of things they were literally foundational in building the United States they were super important I
Mean we know our first president was a Freemason it’s all over the place look at the dollar bill look at every little tiny Speck of a town it has a Freemason Lodge yep every single one it
Does now there are while we don’t know everything about Freemasons we know some things and we know that there is an oath that when a Mason needs your help which they have to do this certain
Sign you have to help them no matter the cost even if it’s your own life that’s an oath they make it’s an oath they make that if they do this certain sign which is the sign of distress or
Whatever ever I can’t remember the name of it you are bound to help them no matter what and there are penalties for breaking your Oaths now the penalties are gory and terrible you can look them up if you want they’re absolutely horrible um I don’t know if that stuff is actually in practice
Or if they literally are all just symbolic you know or if people just follow them because they don’t want to find out but there have been people to leave Freemasonry and they weren’t hurt so you
Know what I mean yeah they weren’t hurt um but it does make you wonder like I’m not saying there’s this huge cabal a Freemasonry that’s controlling the planet or anything but when you have people in a town all like especially when it comes to judges law enforcement all the prosecutors all
The important people who help run the town and the justice system and you have somebody who’s suspected of a crime a part of your fraternity are you going to be honest right in my opinion that’s bias right there need to yeah it’s a secret fraternity like it’s a Brotherhood
Secret that putting it on Facebook and it read it I understand that but that’s not the point of a secret society is for it to literally be secret yeah it’s that you take Oaths and they are secret yeah and I’ve even heard it described by some historians and people who know things like
Experts I guess you could say that it’s actually a secret society within a secret society it’s a Brotherhood within a secret society that is secret so like it’s built in layers so I mean we know that there’s degrees of it yeah and the higher you go the more intimate your knowledge
Even Scientology is kind of built that way which is interesting yeah um but I have one more thing because I I mean it begs to question like when you have a town that’s literally built by Masons
And prominent figures as we know are a part of it and it’s hard honestly it’s really hard to find it depends some people are open about their membership to you know Freemasonry and some people aren’t um I know there’s been connections made to like Elks and moose lodges and and lots of other
Ones like I saw one situation where there was a Freemason who was like over a um their Lodge who was also over an Elk’s Lodge like at the same time that’s interesting okay so and Shriners apparently
You have to be a 33 degree Mason to be a Shriner which is also interesting and those places are all over the country like they are they are everywhere they’re every town in America pretty much um which
Doesn’t I’m not again that’s not saying anything but it does make me question the ties here um now so one interesting thing about Judge G okay and I I have no idea how deep any of this runs if it
Runs deep at all there could be no connection at all okay we we commit on this podcast to exploring even the wildest ideas so I’m just giving you the facts that I’ve learned um you do with them what
You will but never harass anybody never go out there and hurt anybody never never but don’t even contact people do not even call people yes please don’t call people um it is an interesting thing
To think about and you know if you can find more information on it cool but just know that a lot of these records with certain members are are hidden like I had a really hard time finding anything at
All on specific people in the area but what’s interesting is you can start to Find Familial ties so you can find their great-grandfather was a mason or this person was a Mason within their family and the thing about Masons is you know a Mason father really wants their son to become a
Mason yeah it’s a lineage thing it matters to them um which you know a lot of fathers want their sons to follow in their footsteps um and I’m sure there’s benefits to being a Mason especially if you want to assume a career that has you know where you need connections yeah uh
So there is a man called Dennis shaig and he is the secretary um on the board of Directors for the shepherd’s house in Fort Wayne Indiana he is a Shriner he is a 30 so therefore he
Is a 33rd degree Freemason and judge Francis C goal’s name is on the supporter list for that organization and Shriner or I mean not Shriner yeah the Shriner guy shig or whatever Dennis shab big is a Fort Wayne retired police officer and isn’t it interesting that judge G the day she had two
Lawyers kicked off the case and the also simultaneously the only day she had cameras in the courtroom she did it in the courthouse in Allen C County that has a giant Freemason symbol on it yeah on the wall yeah because it was built by
Freemasons for the county interesting I have no idea I don’t know either it’s just it’s just questions I don’t know but I mean I thought it was interesting knowing that Brad holder in meland literally go to the same lodges now I couldn’t find anything on Westfall being a part
Of anything um you know I was asked a question by you actually when I talked about talking about this to you that don’t you have to be a Christian to be a Freemason no you could believe in whatever
You want you don’t even you could be an atheist it doesn’t matter interesting it you can believe in whatever you want as long as you believe in their beliefs which is the the grand architect and all that stuff yeah and the light that’s all you have to believe is what they believe
Wild so I mean it makes me want to look more into like because the fact that evidence was deleted of Brad holder like his interview and they never pursued search warrants for his phone is shocking and it makes me wonder if that’s the connection is Robert IES a part of this Lodge CU
You know all of these lodges actually in the area and surrounding areas of Deli were um they were condensed into one which is that Lodge um Mount Zion Lodge I think tiptoe or whatever that Lodge was I can’t remember tip yeah Tipton in Mount Zion are really the only ones around this area
At this point even the deli Lodge merged with Mount Z Zion wow so a lot of people from Deli in the surrounding areas go to the same Lodge so they’re communicating together and that’s the important overlap there is that there is some evidence of associating with each other
In the public yeah outside of the case which could then you know make interactions within the case biased questionable maybe somebody else should be looking into it how many other people are part of this Mason Lodge in the area uh how serious do they take their Oaths um you know what
I mean like those are really important questions they are it makes me wonder how many people maybe this isn’t an like just an odinist issue maybe it’s also an issue of just interconnectedness in you know societies like this this in small towns in small towns like and Deli clearly has
A dee rooted history in masonry and then you add I mean this odinist thing on top of it now I’ve heard some arguments out there that some of the evidence at the crime scene also has some weird
Symbol symbolism that connects to Freemasonry too um and actually I did find some evidence for it but I don’t know if I really want to talk about it because it’s kind of going out there a little
Bit but it kind of actually makes a little bit sense there’s just one aspect to it that doesn’t I I’ve never heard of a Freemasonry murder like that though I have no idea I couldn’t even
Give any input on that I don’t know I don’t know we only have that one of the like first guy a really long time ago remember you did that whole story oh oh oh oh gotcha what is his name
Yeah I don’t remember William Morgan or something yeah I think you’re right I think it is I don’t remember I don’t remember but anyway there’s some overlap there um knowing that a lot of The Lodges condensed knowing that there’s a dee rooted history here that there’s multi-generational
Which I heard Brad holder is uh from a lineage of Masons and so is meland um and I think there’s a possibility for the old prosecutor to be a Freemason as well and judge gold be ass Associated
As well um it’s concerning it’s just concerning yeah it is because it’s making also multiple um cities also connected not just deli but like they’re condensed to like only a few lodges yeah interesting it’s also interesting to note that they take an an oath in Freemasonry that
Like when a member asks for a favor they’re not supposed to turn it down so I mean my only thing is like I don’t know if all this because like just like religion Freemason Ries use a lot of
Metaphor so it’s like what is real and what is just metaphor yeah what is just symbolic and not real practice and what is not because I have a hard time going fullon Hatland where I’m like
Oh yeah like it’s all that like there there’s a cabal you know I can’t go full out that way um but humans are GNA human you know what I mean and if there’s a a tight-knit connectedness
Among these people I don’t know like I think it’s possible like people do cover up for for people sometimes it happens and this case has such weird situations in it that aren’t making sense and it makes you wonder yeah where’s the infiltration where is this corruption
Coming from like where is this the beginning of it where’s the bad egg that’s making the whole place smell yep I don’t know I just want to know what you guys think about it um I don’t know
If anybody’s ever really brought it up and talked about it before other than just pictures posted around the internet um that’s pretty much it yeah I don’t know what else to say yeah no it’s good information for sure um I think that it could explain a lot because there’s
A lot of things that are unexplained I I mean I wasn’t going to talk about it until because this picture’s been out for a while until until the deleted evidence yeah that connection matters the fact that Mand didn’t like offer up any explanation right away and you know got them
Thrown off the case when they started asking questions and stuff the things alleg alleged in there are pretty significant and there’s really There’s real proof like factual proof proving you know I even have an article from the Carol County Comet of meland um at a lodge there
Too so I mean it’s this is from 2011 that picture is from 2018 he’s a longtime member yeah anyway let me know what you guys think I’m done I got nothing more to say I just want to hear your
Ideas tell me if you think it’s absurd or if you think it makes some sense I don’t know I’ve been literally researching it non-stop all day and I just what to think yeah it feels like too much yeah but that’s it
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