You guys know how to say my last name uh sh shirt wa sir yeah Shir sir yeah shirt sir shirt sir got it Y and we are rolling hello and welcome to or welcome back to Colonial outcasts your neighborhood Anti-Imperialist podcast I’m Greg stoker and I’m joined
As per usual by Mark Wayne and today we are yet again centering Palestine the rapidly deterior creting humanitarian situation in Gaza and this expression of late stage Colonial violence that it’s experiencing so it’s been a few days since Aron Bushnell a cyber specialist in the US Air Force performed an extreme
Act of protest in front of the Israeli Embassy in Washington DC it’s called Shock waves around the world and I was just asked today by an old acquaintance who became aware that I have a somewhat non insignificant activism platform on social media if being pro Palestine was
Anti-semitic and for a second I was like my God are we back at square one and this is good because I think for a lot of people uh going forward we actually might be so um I realized two things Aaron Bushnell’s action is going to make some people start asking questions and
Those people are going to you know be starting from square one when it comes to the Israel Palestine question so to help us hash this out for people um we have Michael Scherzer comedian and activist who is incidentally Jewish and anti-zionist which we’ll get into in a second and he hosts co-hosts the
Palestine pod a podcast that breaks down the latest Palestine related news with commentary and interviews mostly every week so the links for that are uh in the description below and uh thanks for coming on Michael thank you so much for having me and sharing your
Platform yeah all right so uh we kind of here just like to open on action but before uh we play a clip from last night’s Seth Meyers show where Joe Biden self-identifies as a Zionist andar in mind Joe Biden is Catholic uh I was hoping you could Define our terms and
Give us a short description of what Zionism is in a nutshell if that’s possible I’m sure everybody understands the term anti-Semitism as inherently bad uh but what is Zionism for the newcomers sure a really easy way to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism is Judaism is a religion that has been
Around for thousands of years and Zionism is a settler Colonial Pro that is predicated on genocide and forced ethnic displacement and so you know an even simpler way is Judaism says do not kill and do not steal and Zionism says kill everyone and steal everything yeah I would agree with that definition
Excellent and uh incidentally uh Mark was a Christian Zionist growing up in the Evangelical tradition am I correct yeah and um I took that to the bank when I went to Israel just as a result of me being a Zionist to learn and study and learn more about Zionism to my
Disappointment it’s like impossible to discuss anti-Semitism without first establishing that Zionism is the source of the majority of anti-Semitism and bad feelings that exist towards Jewish people world worldwide uh that said the discussion of anti-Semitism is used time and time again as a trick according to former minister of communications
Shulamit alomi who admitted so much on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman many years ago when asked about weaponizing antisemitism she says it’s a trick they always use it if their critics are in the US they are anti-semitic and if they’re in Europe zionists will weaponize the Holocaust and then you
Have recent statements coming from the knesset like may go uh somebody who said even 80 years from now everyone will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did right so you see the same Zionist anti-semitic rhetoric that comes uh you know full force anytime you hear a Zionist speak
Truly yeah and just to be perfectly clear when we say call Zionism a subtler or Colonial project we are referring to the establishment of the state of Israel and the perpetuation of that project correct I refer to it as the occupation of Palestine I like the only
Israel that I recognize is UFC fighter Israel at aagna okay got it so we’re gonna play this uh clip by Joe Biden from last night and uh and you can kind of break it down for us or react however you you feel is warranted all right here we go
Last night from Seth Meyers every day we see these horrible images out of Gaza and is there a path forward is there a safe future for the people who live there look first of all there are the hostages being held must be released ramadan’s coming up and there’s been an
Agreement by the Israelis that they would not engage in activities during Ramadan as well in order to give us time to get all the hostages out that gives us time to begin to move in directions that a lot of Arab countries are prepared to move in for example Saudi
Arabia is ready to recognize Israel Jordan is Egypt uh there’s six other states I’ve been working with cutter the only way Israel ultimately survives forg them I make no bones about it I get criticized for having said a long time ago you need not be a Jew to be a Zionist I’m a
Zionist where there no Israel there’s not a Jew in the world to be safe every day yeah and that’s something we hear uh a lot from the Zionist Camp U the establishment of the state of Israel is BAS is the only way the Jew Jews can
Survive and this world yeah it was nice of him to take a break from eating ice cream to tell me how unsafe I am in my own country right the one that he’s supposedly in charge of um but we all know his brains are scrambled eggs uh
And it’s wild that he would Center the Zionist hostages at a time when there are literally Palestinians under the rubble right now there are Palestinians who are starving to death right they don’t have food they don’t have water and you the first thing that he is a
Because we all know his brain is not fully there but the first thing that he is able to remember is that he has to say something about the hostages right yeah that’s the first talking point he knows he needs to hit that talking point and if he doesn’t hit that talking point
What happens right somebody gets mad um and so it’s like far more Palestinians have been arrested since October 7th then have been released in any prisoner exchange right now there’s easily like between seven and 9,000 Palestinian prisoners languishing in Zionist dungeons the majority of them have never
Even committed a crime right and that includes more than 2,000 of them who are being held by administrative detention which is whereby the Zionist military just detains a person without charge or trial it can be renewed indefinitely right based on secret information and then the detainee isn’t even allowed to
See it so it’s like these Zionist dungeons hold Children Human Rights Defenders Palestinian political prisoners I mean it’s and I the name I hate the name administrative detention it sounds like you’re going to the principal’s office [ __ ] theying they’re torture they’re torture chamers exactly it’s not DET they’re death it’s not yeah it’s
I’ve heard horror stories where they’ll take a minor uh put them in one of these dungeons right and they’ll tell their parents okay if you want to even come see or or hire a lawyer you have to spend like what is it like 10,000 bucks you know it’s extreme they’re trying to
Ruin every single family every time they abduct a child through legal fees the Bernard Brothers is an example the Bernat brothers were abducted many years ago they’ve been languishing in Zionist dungeons under the offices of administrative detention go Google uh the Bernard Brothers yeah and then you learn that they’re they’re being raped
And you’ll hear stories of like they were family member was able to get a lawyer to go see one of the relatives in prison the lawyer would you know contact them and actually see them they multiple fractures broken arms you know bruised eyes and then the lawyer would go tell
The family members listen your child is beat the fck up but do not mention that publicly or else they’ll get wind of it and actually treat them worse so I just want to let you know like imagine the psychological torture a parent would go through knowing that so we we we know
About I think people are becoming aware of the effects of Zionism how it’s as an ideology it’s effectuated on the ground and through bureaucracy through political systems um but I guess people are are wondering like how does how does that ideology like take root and how does it translate
Into phys like phys physical action on the ground like how does it how do people use it to justify these actions that we’re seeing on Instagram on the news uh that people people are burning themselves alive in protest against yeah I mean it’s probably one of the largest and most complex propaganda
Brainwashing systems known to mankind right Zionism is it has one of the most well-funded PR campaigns behind it right it’s able to intimidate any political opponent even Obama was on record as saying that if you say anything negative about APAC you’ll have a well-funded primary Challenger immediately right
Filed before the paperwork was even allowed type [ __ ] um and so yeah you know I think some people are wising up to the idea that we as Jewish people have been fed a large lie right about the occupation of Palestine right because the like the brainwash is so comprehensive that it starts basically
From birth right like you all of your social institutions all of your friends all of your you know your temples all of your like job and political opportunities are connected to supporting genocide right and so everything kind of leads you down that path and like I don’t know if you guys
Know my story but I only came to when I was in a fraternity uh aeie it’s a Jewish fraternity and they were hazing us like um we were we had our hands tied behind our backs and we were blindfolded it’s what y’all would call Black bagging essentially I’d imagine but just like
Without the actual physical bag um and they were playing loud music it was sensory deprivation torture and so um yeah it was it was like eight or 10 like American guys and then like two guys who had served in the occupation Army and they were also tied up with us
And the Americans were super uncomfortable like everybody would we’d never been tortured before and but the uh the zionists those guys they were like laughing and joking and you know when you’re tied up you’re you’re blindfolded your other senses kind of take hold so hearing them laugh was just
Like Wicked and I was like what is up with you guys you guys are giving giving off psycho Vibes right now and they were like we used to do this to Palestinians all the time like they told me so proudly and then they told me a ton of
Other stuff that I don’t like to remember and it just like you know set me down this path where I was like oh my God literally everybody has lied to me about this thing in my life and you know I interacted more with Palestinians I started reading books written by
Palestinians and also some written by uh Israelis as well and you know I I looked into like Norman finlin in the speech where he talks about aligator tears really invigorated me and awakened me to the fact that like no they’ve been pimping out our trauma through the Holocaust in
Order to further a political agenda that is predicated on the eradication of the Palestinian people and many Jews just aren’t [ __ ] having it anymore I’ve spoken to by brand Rosen who is in sedc Chicago that’s the first Jewish American anti-zionist reform congregation to like make anti Zionism a part of their core
Values and then I’ve spoken to Rabbi Yakov Shapiro who is a Orthodox Rabbi he’s in New York and he leads a congregation he’s been a rabbi for over 30 years he wrote the book The Empty wagon how Zionism stole Jewish identity yeah and and and one thing that we
Wanted to touch on of course is get your thoughts on like how is and the most basic terms Zionism anti-semitic how is how has the most anti-Semitism you’ve experienced been from Zionist elements yeah so all the time I get anti-semitic messages coming from zionists right they tell me that they
Wish that I’d been in the Holocaust they call me a Capo which is somebody who coordinated with Nazis they tell me that I’m not a real Jew they have tried to get me banned from places Zionist have actually reached out to every single major comedy club in Los Angeles trying
To make sure I don’t get booked there jokes on them I already don’t get booked there thank you so much okay uh they also they send me threats like death threats all the time um they the other day they sent me a message where they were like we are going to cut
Out your tongue and I was like dog that’s [ __ ] up you guys know I love to eat [ __ ] okay what’s going on um you are reading my texts and I wish you would stop okay that’s a little Pegasus joke thank you so much uh they have actually you have to edit that
Out no we’ll keep that okay cool Wi-Fi was loading uh they have doxed me they have contacted my parents they harassed me online for many years now they put me on Canary mission in an effort to Blacklist me from getting any work I’m already not getting work thank you so
Much and uh there like is some other actual legal stuff that I can’t even talk about on record right now like I can’t publicly state so uh you know it’s it’s been a lot and you know there’s that’s just like that’s the overt stuff right like that does not even include
People who have just stopped talking to me stopped booking Me Slowly backed away from me like I’m [ __ ] radioactive right like you really only learn about what it’s like when it start when it starts happening to you like there’s no way to prepare how people receive you until you’ve got a Target on
Your back people are either like super happy to see you because you mean something like you’re you’re like they support what you’re doing or you know they part like the Red Sea to get away from your like General vicinity yeah and that’s uh one of the questions
I always got to ask you is you know besides Gregory asked what kind of attacks you’ve experienced how has it divided Jewish families describe how that’s happening yeah it’s really difficult uh you know my family has I would say a wide variety of opinions I’ve had cousins who’ve
Reached out to me to tell me that they are embarrassed to be related to me and it’s like we don’t even share the same last name what are you talking about like who knows that right you’re so insanely dramatic uh and then it’s like other people have disowned me disavowed me
Disavowed any connection to me and then I had one cousin who is super supportive she actually does share my last name and her input was like occupation isn’t cute honey like you know what I mean so it really depends on who you ask um yeah even even my parents have had like
They’ve gotten insane messages from zionists uh some in our family some outside and my parents have had to be like Michael’s a grown man he’s allowed to have his own opinions right and my parents and I don’t always agree right but I think they understand the importance of the work and they support
Me which is so greatly appreciated yeah that’s that’s kind of been my experience with my parents on the subject it was actually me that had an influence on their opinion on that after I went to Israel and had a very organic departure from Zionism it was very organic because I became best
Friends with the Palestinians over there and it wasn’t because I’m like an activist I I did not choose to be Pro Palestinian it chose me in the sense that I got a per I got on a very personal basis with Palestinians and they saw me as family and these dudes
Would [ __ ] die for me they’re they’re r or die dudes when you when you become friends with a Palestinian on an organic level it’s that Bond there’s nothing that could break that like to this day that was like back that was back in 2005 and I never went sorry to interrup
I never went on their so-called birth I was gonna ask you okay you didn’t go with all Y no no no no I could I mean I could tell it was weird from the very beginning because like I grew up in between like being born in New York and
Raised in Los Angeles when somebody offers you me a free trip somewhere I’m skeptical right like anywhere minute it’s the old proverb where it’s like if it’s free then you are the product right and then I learned later that they do it because they want to brainwash people
Even more like it’s their effort they get they take them on like a North Korea guided tour where they’re like you know like yes he the the thing they they were so weird because they were offering me a free trip they’re like oh you’re indigenous to this place I was like my
Boy I was born in New York you know what I mean like I’m indigenous to the L train maybe I don’t know what you’re talking about like uh and so you know I was skeptical from the very beginning and I was also like coming into anti-imperialism in college just and so
It wasn’t really a leap to be like okay wow the occupation of Palestine is clearly a settler Colony a base over there that they use as an outpost as an outpost for military Ventures right and they’re even like you know sending soldiers from the population of the United States as
Reinforcement um and there are US soldiers on the ground fighting in tunnels right now that was reported by ban and um I think Aaron Bushnell actually published some information that let us know that as well yeah I I’ve been asked to comment on that I am not going to at this time
Um it’s not beyond the realm of it’s not beyond the realm of possibility of course because B said it and that’s good enough for us right ban is a is a primary source on the ground and also we saw that video not too long ago of that
Guy who was clearly like a US Marine or something leading kind of like a semicircle of people and he was like we’re going to drop enough nukes to scare God Almighty himself okay he was giving like a southern sermon and so it’s like yeah dude we know they’ve been
On the ground yeah um and also it’s like if God gave you the land why are you bombing it very rude okay very very rude yeah you grew up an angelical Christian you said though yeah yeah so you know you know I I grew up with all the Bible stories
About the Israelites kicking ass you know uh and you get wrapped up in that mythology and I’m not saying that’s mythological because I am a Biblical literalist I still am a strong Christian so when I went to Israel it was of my own accord after after high
School you know I grew up on military bases I told my parents hey I want to go to Jerusalem and studied at Hebrew University my parents are like right on let’s do it and at that time I I was what I call a brochure Zionist see the
The version of Zionism they always feed everybody is the brochure so like if you go outside of Church of Scientology and they give you a brochure what’s it going to say on the brochure we’re about the betterment of humanity and psychological repairing and psychological all that all you know the beautiful thing but
Obviously when you get higher up in the ranks we know how dark it gets you know and no Greg we’re not [ __ ] editing that out dude there’s already a documentary on that [ __ ] so anyways why you like I’m the fascist censorship I’m joking all right so I was a I was I was
A level one brochure Zionist you know it’s like hey do you think that the Jews should have a safe place to live and and a and their own sovereignty I’m like [ __ ] yeah yeah that sounds awesome [ __ ] yeah yeah I’m like let’s go to I’m gonna
Go to Israel I’m gonna join the IDF I’m gonna be the most badass non-jewish pro-israeli ever BR so gross I forgot you IDE that’s actually seg Greg Greg the cringe is coming we haven’t even got to the juicy part all right mind you what’s what’s the segue
That’s a great segue back into what uh genocide Joe was saying about how you don’t need to be a Jew to be a Zionist right and I would say that it actually is harder to be a Jew if you’re a Zionist because it’s like a lot of what
We do is very opposite of what they’re doing you know so I mean let’s talk about like why Christians are Zionist in the first place because they believe that yes all the Jews are good most most of the Jews Like two3 of them are going to be destroyed in the apocalypse and
Then Jesus comes down so it’s like oh yeah [ __ ] yeah let’s get the Jews over there let’s protect them so that they’re going to die in the future and the Messiah can come back and we get to go to heaven hallelujah oh and by the way
All the Jews they’re going to hell what the [ __ ] is wrong with is exactly why a 100 million Christian zionists in the United States support the occupation of Palestine right that’s why there’s like fundraisers so that they can die so that Jews can be killed at the hands of a
Biblical prophecy and it’s so funny that like you know Christian zionists think because they actually think that onethird will convert and then two-thirds will die and I love that they’re doing math for us that’s very nice and also uh it’s like that’s how I know that they don’t know any Jews
Right because it’s like Jews would literally burn in hell before losing an argument okay not a chance no I I was not of that camp thank God that believed that two-thirds was going to die I thought that was a mistranslation of Revelation and but so
When I went over is I don’t know you could be putting me on maybe but uh it when I went over there you know I go I I’m on an airplane with I was me and and only one other dude were the only non-jews on that airplane there most of them were
American Jews from New York Washington all over were all going to Hebrew University a lot of them had already done Aliah and at the time I really hadn’t been around a lot of Jewish people you know before that besides rabbis through my dad being a chaplain
In the Army I I had a I had kind of a reputation in the in the rabbi world in the sense through my dad and they had a good relationship and they had you know but when I went to is when I went to Israel you know of course I have all
These ideas filled in my head their righteous Army these are the ancient Israelites um but I wasn’t but for me I was never racist against Arabs that was never a thing for me but I was anti-muslim right so for me growing up in the US or what no that just goes from
Wednesday night at church like when they show you the slideshows of Islam is the next conspiracy they’re a it’s conspiracy theory about islamist taking over the world right now so when I arrived you know I was excited and as irony would have it they assigned each when
You show up to Hebrew University they assign you your dorm really quick really quick being like I’m not anti- Arab I just hate Islam is so funny to me right that’s like uh oh no no no I don’t hate Jews I just [ __ ] hate locks and bagels
Okay yeah it was no my my my train of thought at the time was so beyond [ __ ] you know I I can’t even defend it so we’re talking about a lot of cringe but I’m going to admit to it I’m not going to hide it yeah no it’s talking about it
Yeah no I’m gonna be completely honest with you no matter how cringey it is but when I got there they assigned you dorm rooms and they assigned me to my dorm I went to the dorm thinking that I was going to go to a dorm room a dorm floor
That was full of Israelis or American Jews guess what they’re all Palestinian Muslims and the first night the first night I see there’s a a door open and these guys were just being really loud and having a good time I’m like I wanna I want to get to know these guys a
Little bit they’re Palestinian speaking Arabic the first thing I said to it what would become who would become my future best friends was what’s up you terorist [ __ ] first thing I said now a third of the room was laughing a third of the room wanted to kick my ass the
Other third wanted to kick my ass and was laughing at the same time and there and they were so chill about it they said who the [ __ ] is this white guy who just walked into our dorm and and I was like I’m just playing guys and then we started smoking hookah eating Peter
Bread and I was spewing out all the propaganda [ __ ] I was taught like I heard Islam means submission and one of my Palestinian friends said to God you dumb [ __ ] and I’m like oh okay I didn’t know that and then they startu Jitsu what were you thinking yeah well well
They they were um tap out at that moment in that hour of having Jesus to tap dude they unfucked my head in that one hour they did 10 years of unfuckingbelievable Two Worlds but I I started to realize what was going on because I was in this
Neutral spot of being a not being Palestinian not being Jewish being a Christian being a level one Zionist but then realizing oh [ __ ] this [ __ ] is psychotic yeah this ideolog I did want to bring one point up so people listening to it and a lot of these Zionist arguments are predicated on
Talking points right so you’re going to a college you’re living in a dorm uh with both Israelis and Palestinians right am I correct yeah you are correct okay how is how is that how is that a oh yeah are you doing a Michael Rapaport video right now
What’s going on oh oh I see what you’re saying oh oh yeah yeah yeah at first I was like what what the where are we going sorry creep me out no this is the counterargument I’m just giving you a talking point from the stist C okay great great question
Question Greg so the counter to that is okay on the surface yeah you know you got Muslims and Arabs walking around you got Palestinians mixed in you got Drews you have Buddhist we’re all holding hands walking Tel Aviv it looks like a multicultural Wonderland except when you
Start to hear the [ __ ] horror stories from your Palestinian Friends that talk about all the [ __ ] up [ __ ] that happens to Palestinians who have Israeli citizenship really quickly really quickly let’s back it up right what is Tel Aviv Tel Aviv is yafa Right which is a Palestinian Village that was ethnically
Cleansed murdered raped pillaged by the Zionist terrorist gangs between 1947 and 1949 is like the accurate because people say 1948 and that’s what it’s known as mostly but I have friends where the murder started in December of 1947 so when they hear 1948 it really doesn’t
Like you know what I mean uh it doesn’t cover their own family and so no Michael no no Michael uh two men can hold hands in Tel Aviv they do the pink washing thing about always invoke the pink washing scenes it’s actually not legal for people who are gay to get married
Inside of the occupation they just like present thems as this like safe haven for gays but then they also engage in blackmailing of homosexual people in Palestine right as a form of like getting them to turn spy like they’ll inter they’re intercepting their text messages their emails all that and then
They’re using that against people in order to get them to provide information Yep they’re big at pinkwashing and blackmailing you know what I mean come on yeah so Bas basically they only they have these talking points right but sometimes stimes and especially over the past five
Months and it’s really coming to a head right now you see the real face of the ideology manifest and Michael you sent me this video because you wanted me to play it it’s um of all things what is it uh the minister of social equality in
Front of the nesset just going on a rant about yes I mentioned her earlier her Psychopathic ass all right so uh in case you’re uh listening on the a uh just to the audio I am going to narrate some of these subtitles said by the minister of social
Equality in front of the parliament essentially no it’s Minister for the advancement of women is her title the minister oh okay yeah okay well uh I’m gonna read the subtitle she speaks fast and it’s in Hebrew so you are defending you from home and abroad matter to us even one this
Government doesn’t stutter about you you can keep dreaming that we will end the war without victory we are not ashamed to say that we want to see the soldiers of the IDF the holy Heroes catching sinir and his Terrace by their ears and dragging them all across the Gaza Strip
On their way to the dungeons of the prison or in the best case scenario to a coffin I’m personally proud of the ruins of Gaza and that every even 80 years from now tell their grandchildren what the Jews did when their families were murdered and raped and their civilians
Were kidnapped you and your friends dream that we will allow you to build a government because if you think the prize for the rape of women beheading kidnapping of civilians will be to sit in a government of change yeah yeah yeah we yeah I want to
All right the the this this infu this video infuriated me when I saw it I think like a week ago when she says every baby will remember what happened that the Jews did this are you trying to get the world to hate Jews is that your goal with that you psychotic well you
Have actually stumbled upon the mission of Zionism right people to hate Jews it was rhetorical I know I’m just playing but it’s like no I know [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] that’s the type of anti-Semitism that I’m worried about you know what I mean I am not super concerned about memes
Shared around that is what I scared of people who are in power and are saying things that are clearly aligning the Jews with support for genocide it’s [ __ ] disgusting yeah I mean it’s basically the same as taking a Jewish child grabbing them and saying you’re going to remember that we
Did this and then shoving a Jewish child like generations to come what is what kind of anti-Semitism is he going to experience you know like I’ll give you I’ll give you a reason why this is very personal to me and why I get so infuriated so my son is Jewish my wife
Is Jewish she’s of Jewish descent her great-grandfather cut off their Jewish identity because of anti-Semitism in New York City right this is why I’m so passionate about the subject so when I think about my son’s future and by the way I’m raising my son to be Jewish I’m a non I’m a gentile
Non-jewish father who’s trying to raise his son to be Jewish I got a bris ceremony on his eth day I I take him to Hebrew school I take him to synagogue I want him to be be proud of his Heritage I want him to read the Torah I want I
Want to do all those things it’s a beautiful thing but I do not want him attached to anything related to Zionism and I don’t want the world I don’t want him to grow up in a world of of anti-Semitism as a result of Israel’s actions and what
Zionism does so this is why it’s so personal in me because I want my son to be proud that he’s Jewish I wanted to be a thing where when he says he’s Jewish he can feel everybody just what they identify that word Jewish as being as being people of righteousness people who
Have compassion on those who are oppressed so that’s what sorry yeah yeah no and but I think that’s that’s the goal uh as you said U to cause anti-Semitism to cause attack and then to respond with violence to further justify violence because if you look at I mean my Niche within this conversation
Has always been from the military and strategic P perspective every time uh Israel has advanced territory or attacked it’s um the argument is that it’s in preemptive self-defense they are taking territory in order to uh as in an expression of defensive expansionism they don’t want to take the ground but
They have to in order to be safe so anti-Semitism actually fuels their milit overriding military strategy which is to expand into the messic vision of a greater Israel exactly zionists have a shared strategy of Nazis and white supremacist which is separating Jews from society right and then locating
Them in a place where they’ll be eliminated right it’s a shared strategy that they all have you know I used to be called a conspiracy theorist for saying that still be called a conspiracy theories because the CIA popularized calling somebody a conspiracy theorist in order to undermine the critiques of
Their coups right and I just like I would like to read from the CIA handbook page that’s making its rounds again uh I’ll read directly from it talk as frequently as possible and at Great length bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible haggle over precise wordings like whenever I hear
People talking about anti-Semitism right now during the genocide of heza when Palestinians don’t have food water or medicine I’m like oh you are an OP you know what I mean you are clearly the here to like steer the conversation away from the liberation of Palestine Herzel said the anti-semites
Will be our most Dependable friends and anti-Semitic countries allies and we see that today with ger I didn’t know he said that he said that in his Diaries and we see that today in Germany right who is expressly a Zionist state in the face of waning European support for
Zionism the Zionist entity even had their own Operation Paperclip where they recruited Nazis and the descendants of Nazis to this day live inside 48 territory lands and some of them serve in the occupation Army right Zionism is a continuation of the Nazi project it’s a continuation of the South African
Apartheid project and it’s a continuation of the white supremacist Jim Crow project in the United States right it was like the Avengers of white supremacy um and they all assembled in Palestine to colonize that’s why you see in South Africa after the fall of apartheid a lot of the settlers left
Because they were there for the supremacy many of them converted to Judaism threw on a yamaka started colonizing the West Bank there’s a vice documentary about it you know what you know what’s a dead giveaway that the Zionism that established the state of Israel is has nothing to do with Judaism has
Everything to do with white supremacy is how the misi and the sapharic Jews and the Ethiopian Jews were looked upon when they immigrated yes you realize that they were immigr they were called to immigrate to be a labor force to be treated as second or third class citizens
Only he said that inferior so that’s that right there full stop that’s a dead giveaway because okay if you’re going to CLA claim that Zionism is about just all Jews okay then treat them as equal citizens treat the the brown skinned Jews let that’s the true test but they
Failed that test and we just kind of you know roll over that little fact yeah so they have sterilized Ethiopian women giving them involuntary birth control shots and this has been widely reported in the Zionist media there’s also the case of Solomon Teka who was a 18-year-old kid who was murdered by the
Zionist police simply for being black and then the police officer said that he like took a risk not shooting him sooner when he was interviewed so showed less than No Remorse um and that’s you know an example of many that are talking about a broader like problem right a systemic
Issue within the entirety of the settler colony which is that it’s a white supremacist project right it’s meant for European ashkanazi Jews and European ashkanazi Jews are actually not meant for the temperature climate of Palestine so it’s not a great fit right a lot of sunburns
Happening right and if you look at the uh leading far-right parties of the caness it uh you know Ben gavier uh yoav Gant Netanyahu uh the educa the women’s empowerment lady who just uh ranted for a while uh yeah they’re all very much European of European descent and and and
So yeah but so you can see an ident you can see an identifiable race-based cast system like you would see in India and in like some local governments in that part of the world that’s what I saw firsthand when I was in Israel that’s what I saw and that was another
Disenchanting thing that I experienced was like all right this is a place for Jews all Jews you know and Arabs and Palestinians like for all of us to get along right and then you see how you know lighter skinned Jews would talk [ __ ] about Browner skinned Jews and then
You would hear like this genocidal language about Palestinians they would call them Arabs as I’ll give you an example when I was at Hebrew University obviously I was very in tight with all the Palestinians that went to the school once you know one Palestinian you know a
Lot of them and you’re like you’re in the group you’re you’re part of the Brotherhood with them like they they treat you like you’re you’re one of their own and so you know I was on campus I saw this Israeli girl who was a a guard she was a security guard and you
Know she’s a little thicky thick so I you I was like I’m going to go you know I’m going to go flirt with her a little bit so I sat down was trying to flirt with her and you know talking with her for hours while she’s lonely during her
Shift and uh you know the vibe was great um but then you know one of my Palestinian friends walked past and he says hey Mark what’s up I’m like hey what’s up bro and you know I hug him you know shake hands and said I’ll catch up
With you guys later I sat down with her she’s like do you know that those guys I’m like yeah they’re my friends they’re my buddies she’s like but they’re Arabs and I’m like yeah this is the Middle East there’s a lot of Arabs last time I checked they’ve been here for thousands of
Years where have you been like I didn’t I couldn’t register it like like it wasn’t that I didn’t know where she was going with this I’m like yeah they’re Arab they’re Palestinians what’s the what’s the problem she’s like oh they’re bad I’m like like what the [ __ ] what are you
Drinking like and that’s when it hit me I’m like oh my God what this is like I feel like I just trans got transported back to the 19 [ __ ] 30s in Georgia and I’m like this is that’s that was the wakeup call because at the time I wasn’t
Racist you know I I like I had racism has never been it’s always been a no-o with me just the way I was raised my parents didn’t raise me that way and you know my godmother was African so for me that concept didn’t Reg with me I knew
It existed but that was the first time I really experienced like racism to its core right then and there racism has always been like you know a dog whistle she was not dog whistling at all she just said oh those Arabs are bad I’m like what the [ __ ] are you talking about
So that was a huge shocker to me anyways yeah and I mean that people and we never hooked up U well you know it’s for the best and that’s the real tragedy is that’s the really quick can I react to uh can I react to May Golan who the knesset lady
The minister of advancement for women who said that she hopes that every baby even 80 years from now will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did what she did in that moment is what’s known as uh Hillary Clinton feminism okay go on oh just a little joke about what we
Were talking about earlier people are like making Hillary Clinton a feminist icon it’s what we call a callback in comedy thank you so much hi you know what I’m running on fumes I’m just screwing everything bro it’s all good pick that up in the edit you know what I
Mean that’ll be great and post I believe I mean we’re we’re gonna yeah fix it in post also in terms of feminism and activism and all the stuff we’re talking about what we’re seeing right now in terms of protests in Tel Aviv or probably more historically known as yafa
Um we’re looking at a lot of free the hostages protests we’re looking at a lot of anti- Netanyahu protests and I think people are saying like oh they want a ceasefire but I’m just wondering most of those people really aren’t talking about a two-state solution or recognizing Palestinian rights it’s only because
Their own privileges are affected and they think own because their it’s because it’s because their Starbucks is costing a little bit more right now it’s always bring the hostages home right but never what happened to those hostages who were gunned down by the occupation Army waving White Flags shouting for
Help in Hebrew you don’t give a [ __ ] about the hostages you just bombed all of Gaza they were probably underneath all that Rubble somewh it’s uh it’s always released the hostages but why does Netanyahu keep turning down all of the hostage deals right it’s always released the hostages but why did
Smotrich say that getting the hostages back back was not the most important thing it’s always released the hostages but never what happened to the guy whose mom claimed that he was gassed to death by the iof yep don’t mention the thousands of kids in administrative detention it’s always
Release the hostages but the other day the iof confirmed that they killed one of their own hostages in an air strike like anybody who truly believes this is still about hostages is either ignorant or illiterate you look goofy okay and yes those are people largely protesting like judicial reform or some like
Quieter less obtrusive occupation they want to go back to a time when they could ignore Palestinian suffering in peace when people could go back to debating two-state solution instead of calling what it is a genocide and a total occupation right there are very few actual allies inside for 48 right
Now because true solidarity looks like leaving many of them have other passports and even more are eligible to apply for citizenship elsewhere because they came from elsewhere and you see people doing that leaving because Supremacy is threatened just like in South Africa after the fall of apartheid yeah
And I think people definitely have a like impression that there are a sign you know at least a leftist wing of allies but it’s it’s not really about that at all and I do want to talk about something leaving uh when I talk about the end of a colonial project yeah when
People start feeling threatened and they have other options and they don’t want to die and they you know want to live in peace or at least not have the inconvenience of Rocket attacks which get us you know intercepted by American rockets in the Iron Dome system they’re
Going they’re going to leave we’ve seen an unprecedented number of people leaving Israel in the hundreds of thousands over the the past few months um can you tell us more about what’s going on there so yeah we don’t have a hard number it’s growing there was 30,000
That was reported in a single day and that was a month or so ago and numbers have been up as far as settlers leaving because they do have other passports they have other options it’s not their land they don’t actually want to die for it and you know they’re they were there
For the elevated position of Jewish Supremacy and you know they’ll they’ll dip to another place if they like when they want to like they can and they should the during November the number that I heard as of November was half a million had left right right why it now
Why is that it’s because it’s not their land right it’s because they have another passport that has stamps on it and they like a quiet life they’re not trying to die for Palestine because they don’t have the moral Clarity to commit to dying for Palestine like Aaron Bushell does
Right they are cowards and they’re just there to enjoy the privilege of Supremacy that’s why they break children’s arms and legs that’s why they snipe pregnant women that’s why they that’s why they only undefeated against hospitals right yeah and it’s also um it’s also why this idea of rape they’re
So obsessed with it uh because rap’s never about sexual gratification it’s about reinforcing power dynamics the UN just came out with a report that has you know it’s one of many reports on the subject documenting the sexual violence that is the occupation Army subjects women and Palestinian teenagers to
Inside these dungeons as well as men there’s been numerous studies over the course of many years this is something that is well documented and then the UN just popped out a brand new report based on what we’ve been seeing for the last few months right and so this is a
Documented pattern and then you go back to the things like tantura right I don’t know if you guys have seen the documentary but it details the horrific rapes murders that these you know military thugs these freaking terrorist Zionist gangs engaged yes as they were depopulating entire Villages right tentura tentura is every Palestinian
Village and that’s what I mean when I say that like Tel Aviv is not yeah like like Tel Aviv is not what it is right it’s yafa right yaffa was tantour into Tel Eve yep did you see that old man yes laughing of course of course in his old
Age think about that think about that years decades later when he’s had time to repent and he doesn’t he’s actually he’s chuckling yeah that level of evil is incomprehensible to me that’s what I imagine a a you know ikeman looking like and like and what does that have to do
With Judaism that’s what I would ask anybody who like because that’s that man’s face laughing at the rape that happened many years ago as they stole the country where he now sits comfortably that’s the face of Zionism and so if you’re confusing that with Judaism I mean you really have it out
For Judaism well think of the environment that man had to have lived in to have felt comfortable still feeling that way yeah that means he that means all the all that all that terrible ideology had to have been incubated up until his old age you see even right now there’s 60% of Israeli
Jews who oppose humanitarian Aid right that’s a loud majority in favor of genocide you see them setting up bounce houses outside of the various Crossings to stop a like it’s a clown Carnival from hell they are camping out for fun in order to stop medicine and food and
They’re enjoying the genocide of the Palestinian people as a form of entertainment like they do when they watch the bombs drop right on stero Cinema uh there’s literally a Jewish law to feed the poor but they’re blocking Aid trucks during a genocide watching this and it’s my understanding that
American Jews are more in general terms more religious than a lot of Israeli Jews who tend to be secular uh going off of that supposition and the fact that they’re not currently like living in Israel I’m I’m wondering like how seeing how the past five months unfolding uh
Clear well at least from my perspective and for our perspective clear evidence of genocide genocidal intent in action in speech in devices um do you see any Jews because of this in America turning away from Zionism or beginning to question it or is there like a doubling down action
That’s happening and of course there it’s not a y’all aren’t a monolith but are you seeing any Trends in that yes I should say I don’t speak for all Jews right up top yeah uh it’s like you know uh four Jews five opinions is the old
Saying so um but what I will say is it’s funny that they say God gave them the land and then they also don’t believe in God right so they don’t even believe in in the basis for which they’re there uh or claim to be there yeah so if you need
Any more uh evidence for just wanting to be Supreme the Supreme Uber mench Master race I think that’s it right there and so what I’ll say about us Jews is in 2021 I recall a poll that showed that one in four Jews understand that one in four American Jews understand that
What’s happening in Palestine is apartheid right which is slightly higher than what it has been previously but that’s still just a quarter right that means that that year 75% of Jews had no connection to reality yeah and I I just wanted to ask like because of that like
What mental space does Israel occupy for like the average Jew living abroad is it how would you characterize it I mean it occupies space everywhere it goes but uh you know what I’d say is it’s still a very slow process of getting Jews to unlearn Zionist brainwashing because
We’ve all been born into this thing where you know a lot of us has have been raised to support a violent scop basically right yeah and so you know it does take some unlearning and I’d love to you know get on this podcast and be
Like oh you know like so many Jews are waking up to the plight of the palestin people but like that’s just not really the case right there are very few there I got a think there are very few Jews who actually understand the severity of the situation and understand that all of
Palestine is occupied right that the Zionist entity is a genocidal settler Colony founded on the force displacement and murder of Palestinian people and it must be dismantled in order to save Judaism that Palestinian refugees must be allowed the right of return and Jewish Supremacy must be abolished that
Zionism is the source of the majority of the anti-Semitism and bad feelings towards Jewish people in the world and if you claim to be a representative for all Jews and then you commit genocide for 75 years you leave folks with a bad feeling towards Jewish people right that
Zionism in and of itself is anti-Semitic both when it was Christian at first and then later when Jews were advancing the project because it’s predicated on separating Jewish people from society and bringing about the Rapture where it’s promised most Jews will be destroyed the number of Jews that
Actually agree with all of that is like 8 to 10 right and we’re all in a group text okay uh it’s a lot of Shabbat shalom’s and [ __ ] the occupations but every day there are are I would say dozens more Jews who are unlearning right and then we have to deal with some
Who are debating whether from the river to the sea is appropriate while Gins literally starve to death and those people clearly don’t get it right and then you have people who are known as normalizers right people who are profiting off of the genocide of Palestinians or trying to rehabilitate
The image of Zionism through the language of anti Zionism they’re the modern-day coin Pro any Jewish person who centers Zionist hostages anti-Semitism condemning the resistance uses the genocide as a means to make money is not somebody who truly cares about the liberation of Palestine and there is a special place in hell for
People who have used this moment for their own personal gain plenty have lots of money to be made on this conflict I gotta I got a question for you and you kind of answered it already but I want to dive back into it okay so I want to push back on you not
Because I disagree with you but because I want to take an optimistic Devil’s Advocate approach if I may all right the whole question of silent majority so obviously there are many Jews who are passionately vocal and have taken to the protest but no doubt there are many other Jewish people out
There who are in fear of being ostracized excommunicated if you would by family or even in fear of harm has this possibly created a silent majority that wants to speak up but feels cautious about it and how big can we could we speculate that silent majority
Is you know um I mean do you know people who are on the fence but are afraid to go all the way because I’m a firm believer in the silent majority argument that if you create the impression by releasing false polls that this this group of people believes a certain thing
That in it of itself is a very effective prop form of form sorry it’s a very effective form of propaganda because and I use the ice cream analogy you’re a teacher Joe Biden loves that well all right so Joe Biden he’s up at the front of the class he has
10 students and he wants to get vanilla ice cream but he has to have it up for a vote so he has all the students write down a piece of paper anonymously what flavor of ice cream they want they all Fold It Up pass it up front at out of 10
Want chocolate ice cream but he wants vanilla so when he counts up the votes he just tells us he tells the uh the class you know what looks like eight out of 10 of you guys wanted vanilla ice cream so I guess we’re having that and then everybody but psychologically
Everybody in who wanted chocolate ice cream are like oh I guess I’m on the minority then so they get that social pressure so that’s how I view these po that’s how he won the Primary over Bernie right right so now apply that analogy to possibly the Jewish Community is it possible I
Mean so what I’ll say is that some Jews are slowly unlearning the brainwashing but it’s as I said the most powerful scop that like mankind has ever seen I’ll go as far as to say that because it’s so wide reaching it’s infiltrated so many institutions and universities and cultural centers that like it’s
Almost everywhere right and so you know uh but it’s largely the Elder generation that enforces Zionism and the younger generation has been more susceptible to asking questions based on the lived experience and realities of Palestinians sometimes people don’t challenge their family support for genocide because there’s a financial burden on being left
On their own right they may be kicked out of their own house kind of a Zionist specialty uh uh and they do it to their own children right if you question the death Cult of Zionism you could find yourself excommunicated not just from your temple not just from your Social
Circles but also from your immediate family and then there’s the idea of like not wanting to jeopardize your future for the longest time there was a narrative in both Jewish and Palestinian communities that organizing around Palestine could impact your future job opportunities and frankly after doing it
For many years I have no idea where that came from um so for many people they chose their money over morals right they chose the possibility of earning cash over the urgency of the situation the moral litness test of our time according to June Jordan and Dr Angela Davis there’s
Nothing more spineless more gelatinous than not speaking about a genocide because you want to make money when I hear people say that I think wow you would have made a great Nazi then and you are making a great Nazi right now yeah and I just wanted to follow up
On the the idea that the the older Generations are the most conservative because I’ve seen sociological data that suggests that it’s actually the youngest the younger Generations that are the most hardcore about Zionism at least in Israel I’m not talking about 48 yes in 48 the youngest generation are the most
Fascist right but inside the United States the younger generation is leading the Rebellion against Zionism okay and so you’re that’s going to come to a head at some point absolutely but yeah I mean the the kids are a part of the 60% of people who don’t want Aid to get in
During a genocide they’ve constructed a bounce house to play at the Crossing so that like water can’t cross into Gaza right yeah that is they’re a part of that group and you know those people are from the lowest of the low like just your regular civilian alleged civilian right totally unconnected totally you
Know not responsible for anything allegedly that at the lowest level all the way to like your city councelor and then the orders are coming directly from the top right so it’s like the whole society has vertical integration of systemic oppression right and you know what’s so sad about
This is you have a whole generation of young Jewish people who want to get in touch with Judaism which is beautiful thing yeah but where where do they go what where do they go that has not been infiltrated by this ideology it’s very diff
Sad and you do you think that it is a a small majority then well what I’ll say is like there’s probably tears right like there are people who are like truly anti Zionist who actually believe in the liberation of Palestine who believe in returning Palestinian homes to
Palestinians who still have the keys who still have the Deeds right who were exiled many years ago or not that long ago like that’s there’s some of us who believe that I would say there’s probably like 300 of us who actually believe that and then on a broader scale
There’s probably like thousands to hundreds of thousands of people who are on the Journey of unlearning Zionism and they’re still like thinking the two-state solution is a good idea they don’t recognize that it’s actually not feasible because the occupation has inserted over 750,000 settlers into the West Bank has
Further like condensed people into ghettos um and you know and like further grabed land and obviously now with this latest genocide in like they’ve made life unlivable for Palestinians so any any dream of a two-state solution is clearly long gone and dead and if you are still like a Jewish person talking
About the two a state solution you sound kind of goofy um yeah but a lot a lot more people are like susceptible to that than they are to like the full liberation of Palestine truthfully right when I hear all these narratives especially like backlash against what
Aaron Bushnell did the other day and the desperate uh attempt to like make it like a mental health thing and then the second the second Biden the second Biden you know talks about a ceasefire Twitter explodes with hasbara um influencers like calling him out because like the
Second apparently you tell them no they go into a temper tantrum and it’s like all of this comes from a place of fear it’s like Zionism has created this atmosphere of existential dread where if anything goes wrong or against it like everybody gets real scared real quick
And becomes angry yeah Joe Biden on Seth Meyers was a mental health issue okay Aaron Bushell was speaking very clearly and he understood the assignment right he knew it needed to be live streamed he knew it needed to be distributed into like other channels just in case it got pulled from the
Internet he wrote a will where he donated like his life savings to Palestinian children he got somebody to look after his cat these are not the actions of somebody who’s not mentally well these are actually the actions of somebody who is operating and functioning at a high level it’s also
Not coming from a guy who had nothing to live for like it’s not like he was it’s not like his life was falling apart and he did this because he had nothing he was he had the whole world in front of him they tried to smear him and the best they
Could come up with was religious extremist and Anarchy tough and by the way the religious community that he came from looking back on it they Zionist Zionist exact so yeah so oh was he actually was he actually Zionist well the the community that historically where he
Came oh my God I’m too good at this [ __ ] that’s crazy hilarious no yeah no they actually said that they were actually Z just like any Evangelical group is I mean they all are because Zionism is its own religion right it just stole a lot of the characteristics and mannerisms of
Judaism and like left the husk of you know all of the like justice social rights issues yeah oh and speaking of which it’s interesting how Israel uses I call I’m going to invent a new term here Hebrew washing right like for example BB Netanyahu what was his original name his PO
Milowski yeah and he took a word like Netanyahu now me the word Netanyahu that’s a very sacred name if you’re in touch with Judaism like Netanyahu is a beautiful name that you know it means the gift of God the gift of Yahoo is even invokes the sac name the maraba
Tank that’s the that’s the Chariot that carries the Throne of God these are sacred words in Judaism you got the what was it David sling the you should really listen to the episode that I did with Rabbi Yakov Shapiro because he talks about how modern Hebrew is obviously not connected necessarily to
Ancient Hebrew and like ancient Hebrew speakers would not recognize modern Hebrew and the way that they resurrected modern Hebrew was explicitly to support the settler Colony the Zionist project and how a lot of the words that they’ve used they have changed the meaning so like they used to be sacred but now they
Make a mockery of them and you’re you’re going to love that episode it’s episode 100 of the Palestine pot I’m G check that out we will link it in the description as well yeah yeah great okay all the negative stuff you know I want to put on the shelf for a second I
Want to focus on like a silver lining I just want to give a shout out to the Palestinians for creating a safe Corridor for Jewish people to escape the prison of Zionism they have done a badass job of doing that they have they have welcomed them with open arms and
Say hey look come over here it’s safe over here get out of that cult and so shout out to all you Palestinians who have made it comfortable who have guarded us and protected us as we’ve left that prison and they don’t get enough sorry go ahead no yeah I just I
Just wanted to say that I think it’s it are witnessing an historical event that we’ve never seen before an event where Jewish people have actually been allowed to leave this prison and Palestinians were the ones that broke them out they’re the ones that took a took a sledgehammer knocked the lock off opened
The door and said hey come on let’s get out of here get out of here come on I don’t I don’t hate you because you’re Jewish I don’t hate the Jews you’re safe with us we just hate that ideology so please get out of there you don’t even
Know what it’s really about I want to say that that is historically tracks with how Palestinians have provided Refuge to Jews okay so that actually tracks with how Palestinians have treated Jews historically because historically Palestinians have always provided a safe haven for Jewish people the the people coming from the Holocaust
The Jewish refugees coming from the Holocaust were welcomed in by Palestinian families they were fed they were provided clothing water medicine they were allowed to stay in the houses of Palestinians and then the Zionist terrorist gangs kicked out the Palestinians and those same families who sought refuge in the Palestinian
Houses stole those houses and that’s how you have the creation of the modern state known as Israel right that’s how Tel Aviv came about is that Palestinians opened their doors to Jewish people and and then those Jewish people stole those houses that’s how Muhammad Aid’s family was kicked out of their
House yeah it’s one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen I feel like and when you think about the amount the the majority of the top brass of the Third Reich Got Away Scot free where they hoca where’ they go NASA CIA exactly you name it all federal
Agenes very few of them actually got prosecuted in my personal opinion right yes they went to if I may they went to the United States to work in the CIA and intelligence apparatus they went to Russia to work work in the KB over there they went to the occupation of Palestine
As I mentioned there are still descendants of Nazis living inside 48 right and they disappeared to Argentina where there are entire towns of people who do not speak Spanish they speak German there’s an excellent documentary called the I think hunting Hitler that talks about the entire Community yeah
And then there are still plenty of nazzis in you guessed it Germany right I don’t know if you guys have been paying attention to what’s going on in Germany recently but Germany absolutely is cracking down on Palestinians and anti-zionist Jews who are organizing around Palestine let me say that one
More time Germany is doing State violence on people including Jews in the name of fighting anti-Semitism is that ringing alarm Bells I mean well yeah for me it does but I’m not surprised my grandmother was German it’s just it’s the culturally they’re predisposed to I would say listening to the
Government uh doing like Towing the line making everything organized and efficient and if that government hasn’t really been densified and is still fascist AF well no one fascists like my people let me tell you like you can try but you’re not gonna win there was a like a couple police departments and
Fraternities inside Germany that needed to be completely disbanded because they were still pledging allegiance to Hitler that was like a couple years ago you know um I actually I was like I crowd worked a guy at a standup Show recently and uh he was German and I was like oh
Wow this guy doesn’t know whether they hate me because I’m Jewish or I support Palestine right and it turned out it was both uh he would only admit to one though you know so yeah let’s let’s let’s make that very clear again in in bold headlines in Germany anti-Semitism is going
Up as if it wasn’t already there getting arrested for it Zionism is going up well there’s a direct correlation as anti-Semitism goes up Zionism is and pro-israeli sentiment is going up right well Germany has always been extremely Pro Zionist they even worked the Nazis worked with the zionists to transfer funds to colonize
Palestine it’s called the ha AA agreement and so you know now Germany Jews represent 1% of the population and 37 % of the people arrested for anti-semitic offenses since October 7th Germany is using state power to round up Jews in the name of anti-Semitism what year is
It bro bro make it Mak sense no no it’s just like the old adage the more [ __ ] changes the more [ __ ] stays the same so yeah because these ideologies take a long time to dismantle if they ever are dismantled so when we come to something as deeply entrenched as the Nazi
Ideology or a close corollary in terms of function a Zionist ideology yeah this is going to be around for a while like people think like yes I do think the Israeli State as it exists now is going to be dismantled in the status quo we will never return to it but this the
Zionist ideology ain’t going anywhere anytime soon we’ll have to we’ll have to honestly fight them ideologically everywhere even after the collapse of their settler Colony we’ll have to defend a part even though they’re debating Nelson Mandela right will have to defend civil rights even though they’re debating Dr Angela Davis kwami
Té Malcolm X right absolutely and like once it’s once Israel changes they they’ll be lamenting The Disappearance of it they’ll be like the M make America great again you know like when we get when we go back to Jim Crow when we go back to like segregation
So ideally this this is my ideal is that the occupation of Palestine is known like rodesia where it’s like okay you really only know about it if you were there right some people still speak the language some people still talk about it but by and large you ask people what
Rhia is they’re like I have no idea and I am of the belief that in the very near future the occupation of Palestine will be rodesia okay just so you know rodesia is what is currently Zimbabwe yes but it was a white settler Colony that was set up in
Africa and was used to like steal the resources Etc yeah again more [ __ ] changes the more it stays the same yeah anyways that’s probably good place to wrap up I gotta go soon guys yeah all right man well thank you so much for coming on and doing a free form talk
About Zionism uh anti-Semitism and all the Dynamics in between yeah thank you so much for having me appreciate you yeah man yeah Michael I love your Vibe too man I like the way you uh kind of uh pull out all the stops and we could just
Kind of talk more openly and just you know put some passion into it so oh bro I have dedicated my life to this and I’m working every single day I mean I have family that was murdered in the Holocaust right so it’s like how could I
Possibly sit by idy as the same thing happens to the Palestinians right now like it’s incumbent upon every Jew who truly values the memory of people who died in the Holocaust to stand up against Injustice everywhere whether it’s in Palestine or Sudan or Congo or here in the United States right Jews
Should be focused on Justice oh and by the way one more thing I would say remind people that people who believe in an islamist conspiracy theory and people who believe in the Jewish conspiracy theory are the same types of [ __ ] people if you think that Muslims are trying to take over the
World and you those are the same types of people who believe that Jews are trying to take over the world the same racist [ __ ] who think the same thing it’s the same type of ideology that’s kind of reductive and misses the point right yep there are multinational
Corporations that are run by all types of people whether they be Christian zionists or Jewish zionists or you know and Protestants the the people who are worried about a specific religion should really Google the trilateral commission they should Google the Council on Foreign Relations they should Google the
Atlantic Council because these are the people like the so-called Shadow government who are like truly making calls about foreign policy I used to work for a highlevel democratic donor and I once sat in on a meeting for the Atlantic Council I heard about the Syrian Revolution in 2010 in Manhattan Beach
It didn’t pop off till 2011 you know what I mean I was talking to John McCain’s AIDS and stuff before he’s pictured with FSA Fighters so it’s like these folks are the folks you should be worried about and incidentally we will be doing um an episode on big big league
Donors and uh Capital manage Asset Management firms in the near future but again thank you so much Michael for coming on and we’re going to link his Instagram and P podcast pal in uh in the description and we will see you in a couple days cheers yall
Nice to meet you brother nice to meet you as well appreciate you guys
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