For the Catholic to say I embrace the Masonic movement and I continue to be a Catholic incompatible we don’t do that many people I sad to say were ill informed and they thought joining Masonic Lodge is just like joining a group of friends you know the rituals
And stuff are entertaining but I don’t take them seriously well you have to take him seriously cuz the rituals show that this is a mock religion that this is basically a ripoff and it contradicts Catholicism Catholics and Freemasons the dialogue are we just being gas lit by
All this I mean GL you is we’ve we’ve pretty much taught since the uh the 18th century that you can’t belong to these secret societies and there’s good reason and this is coming from a guy who was a Freemason in fact I’ll be talking about that today on the program with Father
Gerald muray we’re going to be recapping what was this dialogue with the Freemasons I mean you know the Cardinals seemed pretty happy about this opportunity cooko pomero just really giddy so we’re going to get father Gerald Murray’s take on on all of this
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In the comments below there there was members of the hierarchy that were going to be meeting in dialogue with the Freemasons and then we saw the reports and then that obviously troubled me in particular because I was a Freemason before I became Catholic I was third deegree Master Mason I have members of
My family who are still active Masons to joining now to talk about this is Father Gerald Murray good morning to you father Murray thank you for your time thank you Joe good to be with you why does the Catholic Church teach or why does canon law stat specifically that as Catholics
We cannot be members of secret societies yes well secret societies such as the Masons propose a worldview and an ideology which contradicts Christian Revelation and in the case of the Masons they’re also particularly in Europe act as a society to counter the influence of the church in public life so uh the
Masons have been known for centuries uh to essentially conspire with each other to try and dechristianize the various Catholic countries France Spain Italy uh through using uh powerful influential positions that they gain and then uh putting their Insidious ideology into the laws and and trying to change the
Customs of Nations so it’s a direct challenge to the church if you go through the history uh particularly of European countries you’ll see conflict and hostility and the Popes are very aware this is not simply politics people fighting over power this is an attempt to replace the Christian worldview from
The consciousness of of people proposing this uh mythological uh set of ideas the great architect and all the rest and if you were a Mason you know they use rituals with sort of ape uh the sacramental life of the church and the the kind of commitments the Catholics make uh it
Really is a hostile force and uh it hasn’t changed its ideology is the same you know when I when I became uh a Freemason you I had to sit in a car to prepare I had to sit in a car privately with like a a sponsor a mentor of sorts
And he would whisper into my ear the rituals the sayings and I had to memorize them couldn’t write them down couldn’t read them out of a book he whispered them I had to memorize them and then we would go through this ritual they strip you if you’re wearing a
Crucifix they strip it off of you your wedding ring they take it off of you you are stripped naked and brought into the lodge because according to their ideology you are in the darkness and it was in the light of the lodge that you were being brought in and initiated that
Should be like the first big red flag here uh but we’re we’re seeing some very conflicting and confusing statements coming out especially as imminence Cardinal Koko Pomo um he says quote things have moved on and I hope these meetings don’t stop there says quote if it’s not possible to think about a
Permanent discussion even at the official level so we can better deal with each other it seems like there are members of the hierarchy who want to let bygones be bygone father Murray how can we do that when we are so ideologically opposed yeah Cardinal coko palmerio and Professor stallon father stallon who was
A a theologian in the Vatican uh they went to a meeting with the heads of the different Masonic lodges in Italy to try and uh create give the message that Christianity and masonry should seek to reconcile with each other and that uh this dialogue is the first step so he
Talks about an ongoing dialogue U this is essentially a subversion of Christianity out in the open and it is based on this false notion that doctrinal differences between Catholicism and other religions or movements are immaterial and unimportant uh this is a poisonous notion if this reduces religion to
Precisely what masonry tries to propos which is a kind of humanism uh with some religious trappings to try and inspire people and then sort of the magical Spirit of being an Insider so you know the Masons of of course they’re the ones with the secret knowledge and they’re the ones as you
Just said have these uh forbidden to write things down and all the rest uh this is all sort of like teenagers getting together and forming you know a club and nobody’s going to know the rules but it’s not it goes way beyond that because there’s a whole set of
Ideologies behind it which are essentially atheistic this notion of the grand architect uh of the universe uh this is revelation contradic F that uh God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit that’s that’s the only God and a man-made creation has to be rejected at the center of the lodges in
America is a Bible it’s a it’s a Freemason translation it has secret codes written down the centers of it uh but if you were going to a Freemason Lodge let’s say in Saudi Arabia it would be the Quran that would be at the center they they essentially don’t care as long
As you adhere to some sort of higher power that’s all that really is necessary uh for the requirement which again is another big huge red flag now the reason why I bring this up is one it’s just so again so starkly opposed to what we believe truth is a person that
Person is Jesus Christ the second person of the Trinity there there is no other uh first commandment stuff here but second I also want to put on the table and get your take because it seems like his Holiness Pope Francis has been talking a lot about fraternity and
Brotherhood over the course of his pontificate it’s seems there’s a great Temptation here to embrace this kind of idea in order to bring people together into some sort of you know happy family um but this seems like a slippery slope that could be dangerous what say you father Murray you know fraternity
Understood in the church is that we’re all brothers and sisters of Christ the Incarnate Son of God as you mentioned the second person of the Trinity became man and the image of the Catholic Church includes this notion of the family of God established through baptism nourished to the Holy Eucharist and
United in common belief uh that’s how fraternity uh exists in the world and really this is the the Catholic very Catholic notion which is often forgotten of the social kingship of Christ that we will only be United Humanity when we’re United in Christ so therefore that can’t
Be forced that has to be voluntary we preach the faith we call people to believe uh but once they’re United in the church then they’re truly our brothers and sisters a completely other notion is what we have a sort of a globalism of humanism where we basically say the most
Important thing in the world is we’re all human beings everything else is secondary therefore whatever it takes for human beings to get along that’s what we’re going to follow if that means for people rejecting religion that’s fine if it means embracing it that’s fine but what we won’t tolerate is a
Group that claims that it has the truth and that’s why the Catholic Church is always uh right there at the center of attacks of masonry because the Catholic Church’s Doctrine is not only that there’s a God but that he’s given us a law that is binding on us and Masons
Promote immorality you know they do not support the sexual teaching of the Catholic Church you know for instance in in Europe Masons were behind having divorce uh legalized in many European societies the French Revolution which overthrew uh so much of Christian morality in France was based on Masonic
Principles uh they act as a secret society to undermine the church in Spain and in Italy so you know Masons claim that all they want is everybody to be you know the Brotherhood of Man well there is no Brotherhood of Man if there’s no fatherhood of God and God is
Not a creation of our mind that there’s an architect out there oh we looked at the building we figured out There Was An Architect no God revealed himself Jesus Christ is the Son of God he rose from the dead the lent and journey is to remind ourselves that God was loved us
So much that he died for us so if we go into other teachings we are really in trouble the Freemasons seem to bring up fedia supon’s father they seem to think that fedu supons would indicate that if the Catholic church can all of a sudden recognize same sex or irregular unions
And give couples blessings why can’t they embrace the Freemasons you bring up a great Point Joe and this really is the dynamic that’s going on here uh sad to say Catholic teaching and practice in some areas is being dismantled the fucha sulion was the latest example of it to
Claim that blessing homosexual couples is consistent with the gospel is false but that’s what’s being claimed Cardinal Fernandez and even Pope Francis continue to defend this document even though fraternal correction by their African Bishop Brothers has has been Stark uh and been and that’s not the only ones
Criticizing it uh earlier we had the pope saying that the death penalty is immoral which the Catholic church has never taught the pope also said in uh morisa tisia that some people divorced and remarried can receive communion and the church has never taught that so people on the outside and say I guess
Catholic Church is getting rid of all its hard teachings and it’s getting rid of those practices which support the notion that it alone teaches the truth and that’s secular reality is is you know not a subject for us to embrace uh you know why in the world would the
Catholic Church bless homosexual couples when it teaches that Sodom is a mortal sin there’s no reason except if you believe in the secular World which says well people do what they do and we really don’t get upset because that’s up to them no we love them so much we don’t
Want them to risk Hell by committing mortal sin father Murray if we know someone Lov one friends family members someone else that is in the Freemasons or the secret societies what should we do about that yes Catholics should not belong to freemasonic lodges they should not Embrace Freemasonry back in 1983
When the code of canon law was issued on the same date uh Cardinal rat singer who was head of the congregation of doctrine of the faith issued a document stating that Catholics cannot belong to free Masonic lodges cannot be Freemasons and if they are they cannot receive Holy Communion because it contradicts uh
Membership in the church by embracing freemasonic ideology many people in the United States are under the impression that masonry is simply a benevolent Association which sponsors hospitals and does good works uh and we don’t criticize hospitals and good works but we do criticize an ideology which is incompatible with Catholicism so any
Catholic and freemasonic L should quit you know the the basic reason is because they say I realize now which I didn’t understand that Catholicism doesn’t permit this no ill will against individual Masons but it for the Catholic to say I embrace the Masonic movement and I continue to be a Catholic
Incompatible we don’t do that so that would be my advice and uh I know that many people sad to say were ill informed and they thought joining Masonic Lodge was just like joining a group of friends and you know the rituals and stuff are entertaining but I don’t take them
Seriously well you have to take them seriously because the rich rituals show that this is a mock religion that this is basically a ripoff of religious rituals and a contradicts Catholicism if a Catholic is a member of the secret society uh an active one should they present themselves to communion no they
Should not because what they’re doing is a violation of their obligation as a Catholic not to embrace ideologies that go against Catholicism if they’re not an active member and never have confessed that but they’ve never renounced it or either should they go to communion then well that’s yeah if let’s say I’ve been
Your Lodge in 25 years uh maybe on the books well uh you’re basically gone from that and if you realize now that that you made it when you if you realize that you did this by complete error well then just mention in confession I had no idea
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