Yeah it does it does whether you want to believe that or not it matters um and to some people it really really matters yeah um like it’s everything so I don’t know let us know what you think and we will continue this topic later yep to be continued what is going on
Everybody I’ll give everyone a couple minutes to swing on in here I hope everyone’s doing all right we’ve missed you guys we weren’t able to go live on uh what Wednesday and Thursday um but we are now so we’re here we’re back we’re ready to go
Baby and I’m excited to talk about this with you guys um man I people have been asking for us to bring this topic back for a long time and uh you know it was just the right time right now so um I I’m excited to talk about it I’m excited to uh
Scrutinize this Theory and idea um it I I I don’t think a theory is worth its weight or even worth talking about if we can’t uh scrutin ize it and it hold water you know what I mean um so uh when uh I don’t know if I look
Beat up or not here but when I was sick um I got like a a heat rash that uh you know messed up my face and I have it uh on my neck here so yeah yeah it it’ll be on here for a few days just work related injuries you
Know but Malia should be here any minute welcome everybody to the True Crime talk show brought to you by thought Riot podcast we just got finished with the return of the Idaho 4 frat boy forchan Theory um I’m excited to get into this tonight with you here because I want to
Look at the possibility of Brian coburger being connected to this at all you you know and since we put out those videos some weeks ago the two videos that we were highlighting uh on the on the screen um a lot of people that believe he’s guilty have come out with a
Lot of videos trying to promote ideas of why this could be Brian coburger and you know what’s interesting what’s interesting is one I love everybody’s opinion right I I don’t need somebody to agree with with me uh I think what a boring world you know if we
All just thought exactly the same way but um I think it’s interesting because people that believe he’s guilty look at this Theory and think oh my gosh how is that possible how is how would somebody have these details how would somebody lay out the crime literally piece by
Piece exactly like it we believe it to happen before the PCA before any comments were out before anything it’s strange you guys it’s very strange and I do want to give a shout out to uh Heather who helped uh pulling some of these documents some of these for
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Um yeah yeah we can go through like how you get on forchan I believe the website is I don’t I don’t know if I want to promote it on here but uh hang on one second you guys okay so it is the number four chan. RG so 4chan.org
Um yeah it is a pain to navigate it is like that old school Message Board feel um and I can’t pull it up on the screen I’m sorry I can’t do that just because it is completely unedited you guys so I could click on something and you know
There could be like nudity all over the place all of a sudden um so I wish I could but I can’t no no this is uh I had a fever or a fever rash or whatever from from my cold uh or whatever so it it just looks gross so covered it
Up yeah my uh my vampire bites um had to cover them up you know sorry I’m late I have a fever so a fever a fever I don’t feel so great but it’s not it’s not that bad yet like hopefully it doesn’t get much worse but yeah yeah
Yeah so I feel like I went over everything right we we touched on everything um just again please hit that like button on the way in and if you get a second comment under the video even if you just leave an emote you guys like we have viewers out there uh from other
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Content so much so if you get a chance we would appreciate that you guys and uh we’ll dig into it here so Patty me too I had a fever or not a fever a headache for like two weeks I’m literally just like sweating from I don’t know
You don’t know why you’re sweating no probably because my meds are like breaking my fever I guess I don’t know I don’t know but I was sick you guys like I was really sick last week to where I was having hallucinations um and uh so out of it so
So so out of it it was the wildest sickness I’ve had but okay diving directly into the 4chan topic and I was writing down some questions here as I was going through it um and and one of the comments I made before you got up here is and sorry I
Didn’t mean to sniff in the mic um but ever since we came out with our first two videos about forchan right um so many content creators that believe Brian coburger is guilty and come from the angle of guilt have talked about forchan and have uh talked about it in a
Way they’re trying to prove that Brian coburger is involved with these posts in some way and one thing I said that’s super interesting is that I I love and appreciate their opinion love it absolutely um but it’s interesting because that adds Worth to these postings somebody that believes he’s
Guilty isn’t looking at this and just being like a it doesn’t mean anything what are you guys talking about no it means something they’re looking at this and going oh no like anybody who has looked at these posts like genuinely read them believes even it doesn’t matter what they think about Brian’s
Guilt or innocence they believe this person knows things about the crime scene that couldn’t have been known at the time they were written meaning they were involved in some way or investigating it in some way um and that says something like it means that these posts were not just a troll they were
Not just somebody uh who just decided to mess with everyone and post them they are legitimate they are real whoever WR wrote them knew something about what was going on in this case because they were very very very close to it um yeah and it’s so important to to realize because
Look we’re guilty of this too I think every single person is guilty of it it is part of the human condition that when we’re looking at a topic we always end up doing this all of us right and every day is a struggle to pull ourselves out
Of looking at things from our own perspective and ignoring things that we don’t understand don’t add to our argument all these things it’s it’s a human issue and if you’re a human being you have this issue there’s no way around it um and uh it’s interesting when you’re looking at this case
And looking at these 4chan posts and it’s easy to forget that all of these came out before the PCA did the we’re essentially reading what the PCA has said was going on in the rooms and everything else in these 4chan posts except they were before the PCA yeah all those details about the
Crime scene about what happened in addition to intimate details about relationship ship between people that’s what I I feel like isn’t highlighted enough is that I have a really hard time believing that Brian coburger knew the Dynamics between people in Sigma Kai and between the victims and people in Sigma
Kai um I I just don’t think that is possible for him to know that unless he was involved with them somehow I yeah I agree stalking somebody even stalking somebody it would be really hard to know the tensions between people and like what’s going on and knowing what
Happened at the fight that night I know I know yeah and that is a great point that is a really good point that I didn’t put together originally that Brian coburger would have had to have known about the fight right was that information coming out did we know about that like in
General I don’t think so because if somebody comes out and they try and claim that this is a troll right this troll would literally have to be local not an option they have to know what’s going on there not only local but literally like know the victims know people around the victims
Yeah for sure um but so I I found it super super super interesting and uh I think that um I think that message that we looked at that we didn’t have the first time is very scary and a very real way to do this crime without leaving any DNA you
Know that last message we talked about at the very very very very end that was posted on 1214 for me that is the scariest message in this whole thing here I’ll pull it up real quick yeah which one it’s the same as all the others this message right here okay um
And by by the way Brennan’s neck he had a fever and he has a really nasty rash like on his neck now that’s that’s what’s on there cuz there’s a bunch of people hopping in and being like Oh my gosh what you’re you’re yeah I told
Everyone I told everyone is that I told everyone this is just like a a heat rash from my uh really high fever or whatever yeah it looks gross I had so um yeah what like they’re thinking that I tried to like do something really bad to myself I would never do something like
That no he’s too narcissistic to do something like that yeah he’s way too self-absorbed yeah yeah I that’s something I’ve never had to deal with in my life and I do think it has to do with my ADHD I’ve just never gone there before I’ve never in my life not even
One time if you’ve seen his neck okay no way nobody’s kissing that thing yeah what’s under that bandage and remember you guys we aren’t uh we aren’t a couple either we are business Bas okay all right so this is the one here this is scary this is a
Scary message it was a Thrill Kill joked about for a while that becomes real in early November they had thought about this for a long time some up to a year since high school in joke and in their imagination you know that right there if we just stopped there that is the
Profile dude what’s described in that message is it it shows like this escalation I’ve been talking about the whole time that you would expect to see from somebody yeah um you would expect to see somebody who has like a history that is sketchy in some way and that is
Like them talking about doing like wanting to know what it’s like uh since high school yeah yeah andion building up you know how many experts have come out like when I say expert I’m talking about a clinical psychologist right somebody that has gone to school for psychology
Somebody that has uh an overabundance of amount of training and working with people they’ve come out and said that the the the mo for this crime is more like a Serial than a mass Ender it and the reason being is because of the obsession because of the
Potential stalking or some of the focus and Obsession that comes before the crime yeah I don’t why would we ever think this is even this is a mass Ender it is a mass Ender but the the the person who did it is a Serial Ender in mind serial Ender psychology is like I
Mean the the the character breakdown is that you know well yeah there’s been Obsession here and they I I was listening to one person talk about it and they were saying that you know um this is like classic stalker obsessed uh doesn’t feel comfortable in in society
Or whatever and uh you know I I just believe they ran into something wrong which I think that’s a very good possibility in theory um but I think this is real too and when you put just think about this for a second when you put a a serial killer in a Fraternal
Order I have to get a tissue but go ahead keep talking what happens when you put a Serial Ender in a Fraternal Order what happens where is the line drawn drawn between fraternal commitment at Brotherhood and the law where’s that line drawn without being in these fraternal
Orders myself I can’t tell you that I don’t know but how serious is it like do they lose their position for calling the police instead of calling their uh their problem solvers before you know what I mean where does it start where does the fraternity themselves draw the line with
Doing something wrong and illegal yeah or reaching out to the cops reaching out to the cops yeah I mean it’d be interesting to find out if um like how Sigma Kai um handles secrecy like we’ve had leaks with um you know a lot of the big secret fraternity
Uh where we kind of know you know like the commitments that they make to each other you know yeah uh I believe Mo I mean I’ve heard people say that Sigma Kai requires like a vow of secrecy but I don’t know all the details and I don’t know if those are publicly
Known or not yeah like all of them like or how much of it is publicly available but when you join a A brotherhood a fraternity you you make vows you know you you promise to uphold their values and you know do certain things yeah yeah
Always every time so yeah no I and and I understand that I is also notorious notorious for having issues yeah yeah yeah nationally nationally and what’s interesting because I was just looking into some of the issues uh that they’ve had nationally right and what’s interesting is in all of these problems
I just needed to confirm but in all of these problems uh they did not include police in any of them none none of them and they’ve had issues here in every major uh they’ve had issues in every major college nationally there’s a case that I want to cover that has to do with
A sigma Kai chapter in a in a different state nearby Idaho but different state um where it appears somebody was murdered uh but it was set up to look like it wasn’t and they have been trying to get Justice I mean his parents this uh you know Frat Boys parents have been
Trying to get Justice for him for a long time in that case after learning about it made me look at the Hudson lindow situation a lot differently and the Idaho 4 case um with these 4chan posts is once I learned about that case and the issues that plague Sigma Kai
Nationwide I was like okay well you know I already felt like there was something to this because clearly the person who wrote that knew more things I that’s why I don’t know why people focus on Papa Rogers so much I feel like I’ve proved to myself enough that Papa Rogers didn’t have inside
Information he was very good at connecting dots and asking questions and could that have been Brian coburger I do think it’s possible it was Brian coburger if he’s guilty um maybe even if he’s not guilty like who knows he could have a private interest in you know True Crime online
Yeah considering his field of interest that he is getting a PhD in but also I I think forchan is way more jaw-dropping and compelling than Papa Rogers ever was I agree I agree people fixated on Papa Rogers yeah no I agree with you it well you got to remember too
That uh it’s going to follow the interests of the mainstream narrative right so this is not a beneficial mainstream narrative right here this you know how many people are in fraternal orders when you look at our current politicians and uh judicial uh like justices and everybody that’s
Involved in uh our Judicial System more than half of them are part of uh more than H thank you uh more than half of them are part of the uh of a fraternity almost all of our presidents have been in a fraternity they have yeah
So uh I I think it’s very important to take into account like this idea that we combat all the time that people that believe he’s guilty look at this this story from the very beginning and think look they’re just a bunch of drunk kids are you telling me that these dudes were
Like able to go into this house and commit this act and leave leave without leaving any DNA like these drunk dudes that just drink every day from 9:00 a.m. to you know 900 am uh yeah yeah I am saying that I am saying that because the
Type of person that it would take to uh to create interest is only one person and that type of person could have been uh thinking about this for a decade already you know even being in their late teens early 20s they could have already have been obsessing on this for
A decade they could have been harming animals you know what’s interesting there’s a whole bunch of dead animals around Moscow that still has not been like confirmed as the reason why yeah it’s that’s a really weird one too um how many dead animals have popped up in
That town before this crime like it’s I’m curious did a whole bunch of animals get harmed in the months leading up to this crime and then it just stopped because you hear there there’s so many articles there’s so many articles talking about animals and police reports and then personally I haven’t seen one
Come out post Crime After the crime you’re so right wow that is a great connection we need to look into that yeah I want to I want to double check that just to make sure but you know one thing that I see can did the animal harming stop after the crime
It’s important very yeah very because I mean that’s a big deal that is a very big deal and you know you know what’s interesting is that the police did the data dump they pulled that data and information from the tower at the time of the crime right did did they were
They smart enough and committed enough and and uh interested enough in Justice to look into the possibility of these guys phones being on you know what I mean I keep going back to that right that they left their phones running like on YouTube or Tik Tok or something right a video playing
So that it looked like they were home watching videos on their phone while they were doing the crime it was just sitting there playing YouTube and they weren’t there yeah I’m so curious cuz if they if they got a data dump from their phone if they pulled all the data from
Their phone they would see if if there was any movement on that phone if they paused it if they skipped like Fast forwarded rewinded switch videos anything like that any police officer work or it sat there still the whole time yeah any police officer worth their weight even if they believe Brian cob
Ber is guilty would look into that yeah I’m just saying so if police officers from Moscow watch this right because I know some people from the area do um you better be looking into that you better be looking into the details of these two David’s phones and if they were both on
YouTube at the same time that night and just playing um you know I know that Heather uh in the chat she watches the police thing you know where it’s the reports the reports that come up online and she hasn’t seen anything about animals after the crime um it that’s a lot to look
Through that’s interesting though but I haven’t found a single police you remember I found a whole bunch pre crime yeah yeah I I haven’t found a single one after and there is a really interesting one about an animal that I still need to verify now okay if we’re making that
Connection that was still pre- crime if we’re attempting to make that connection then the next obvious connection would be these animals were being ended in this general area Okay so if Brian coburger is the supposed uh suspect for this crime and these animal endings stopped then you would think that Brian
Coburger would be the one doing these animals uh in this way right uh so then you would look at were these animals being ended on the the 12 times that he was supposedly in the area right you know and we could find out when these started I think that’s very good
Evidence when did these animals being ended start H yeah CA and I’d be curious to look back at where he grew up were there pets going missing were people reporting dead animals on their porches like what was happening happening in Moscow before this crime yeah was that happening back you
Know when he lived in Pennsylvania very interesting because people keep looking into missing people and cases from that area trying to connect coburger with it what if that isn’t ever what he had done before what if his escalation was like Jeffrey dmer style where it was animals
I mean he did move on to kids and you know other things like growing up but yeah it animals at first I got to go to the bathroom yeah I haven’t seen any more of the animal stuff either um it’s really really odd I I’m you know I believe that Anan
Is an oddball he is very much an oddball um he reminds me of some people that I know back from you know California um he’s kind of hippie-ish um you know obviously got involved at some points in his life in some some drugs and some other things um
But I I’m just not convinced of all the things people say about him or think that he’s capable of um he strikes me as somebody who would be to run away from trouble Um but I don’t know that’s just me I I haven’t looked in enough to a non like I know a lot of you have and a lot of other creators have um and a lot of people feel like there’s something off with him there very well could be just
From my first impressions of him I don’t see I don’t see that yet but it would also depend on his record you know what I mean like it would depend on what he what again I look for that pattern of escalation and I feel like in this case people
Have came up with the idea of what this perpetrator should look like what he would look like the type of person who could do something like this would obsess and plan something like this and they just tried to fit that to cerg they tried to apply that to him and his life
Wife and any little rumor like the the lady in um that supposedly said he was watching her through security cameras which still I feel like it’s a low to BS still I I see no value in it and I don’t think it’s true um and any other little situation like
From back in his you know what situation he was in some kind of police thing or whatever in high school I can’t remember what where it was or what happened but that he was removed from that program because of issues with girls and put into an HVAC program where there were no
Girls um that whole thing there’s no like we don’t have accounts of what actually happened of what was actually going on like was he just having an argument with like an ex-girlfriend and they just couldn’t get along like it could yeah and it could have
Nothing to do with girls um at all it could be something totally different it just people have taken each of these situations that we know very little about don’t even know if they’re actually real because there’s nothing really there yet and try to speculate and make it fit to him to
Make him fit the crime the thing is is that in people who have done this in the past and many of The Killers who have done something like this before they have major issues with women which is why we’re seeing an cell theory here because that is the type of person it
Would take to do a crime like this is somebody who has major issues with women and he seemingly has a good relationship with his family his mom he stole his sister’s phone once guys cep I have had family members on drugs just like Brian was and robbed me of all kinds of things
I have a good relationship with them for the most part you know once they’re clean and sober like you work on those things once they’ve gone to a rehab and done the work and gotten better you work on those things and the relationship gets better what’s important is that his
Parents weren’t codependent in supporting that which we’ve seen with like the uh what’s his name what was the guy that went on a rampage uh the spoiled kid uh yeah Elliot Roger Elliot Roger Elliot Roger is a really good example of that where he had very codependent parents that bought him out
Of any trouble he was in gave him anything and everything he want he wanted and it just wasn’t enough it was not enough so um he uh ended up you know ending a whole bunch of people you guys and I that’s actually a Members Only video um so those of you that are
Members uh hop on there and check it out but the Elliot Roger video is wild now what’s interesting is when Brian koberger did something awful to his family like steal his sister’s phone for dope his dad wasn’t having it he called the police and got him arrested he did that is he held
Accountable he held him accountable he did he did and that is a very very very important point when we’re trying to build a profile of is Brian cerg the type of person that could conduct a crime in this manner now does somebody have to match all these things no no
They don’t and and you know I I’ll always give it straight 100% could Brian coburger be guilty here absolutely he can be but we’re looking for justice and him to be proven guilty in a way that’s respectable and supportive of our justice system honest Justice right now if they came out and
And I don’t need them to be innocent we say this every show because we always get people that you know want to put us in a box with people that just can’t accept the fact that he’s not guilty we are not here to try and prove that he’s
Innocent we are not here to try and prove that he’s guilty honestly whatever Brian coburger is innocence or guilt is not even important to me I don’t care that’s not important at this point in time right now we’re looking into the investigation and the investigation is is very concerning whether he’s innocent
Or guilty right now so yep uh but that’s I think that’s very important to highlight the fact that he had a family that held him accountable that taught him lessons from what we can see yeah that’s why I don’t know why people try to make it sound like also that Brian
Cober’s father had to know that he helped him and knew like there is literally not an ounce of evidence there that that happened that you know yeah that his dad knew that a lot there’s been several people I’ve heard say on social media that they believe 100%
Brian cober’s dad knew and aided and embedded him to literally drive across the country I don’t believe that for a second I think Bri Brian cober’s dad is a straight shooter I really believe that 100 per. I think his whole family is that way but here’s one thing I do
Question isn’t it odd that every child in that family has a career path that has to do with the human mind like psychology yeah yeah analyzing the human mind interesting because I in my experience and this is just biased because I don’t have any real evidence this is totally being subjective
Families who PE people like I don’t know that just to me is almost an indicator there’s some kind of trauma in the past yeah it it could I’ve wondered that yeah I’ve wondered that but because people who have issues like that but it could just be Brian Cooper’s
Addiction it could be the way that he’s raised too though maybe they maybe his family members weren’t in Psychology but were very interested in it so they talked about it a lot with their kids we just don’t know you know what I mean you know that would be interesting too is if
The family had a lot of interest in it and that interest in it made him start self- diagnosing himself as like an angsty teen and that’s where all of that those weird like things he wrote online come from is him like like not feeling right because you’re going through
Puberty and you’re a psych you’re a psychopath when you’re going through puberty and he’s getting picked on at school yeah you know self diagnosing self- analyzing maybe even too much oh yeah and writing it online yeah so so then let’s scrutinize these forchan posts how in the world can we make it
Fit that Brian cerg has some sort of connection to these that’s my biggest question I always go back to is how could Brian cober have a connection to these if he’s the guy and scrutinize it from that angle right uh how would he have done this is
He smart enough to not only you know have eyes on the house but also have eyes on the fraternity and like there’s information in there and there are nicknam in there that you would only know if you were within earshot of parties meaning he would have had to
Have gone there and I think we would have heard of that well see here here’s one thing that I would also need to know for the 4chan post to for me to believe that they’re cob Berger is I would need to know what he was doing all that that
Day and night before he left his home supposedly allegedly to commit this crime because they’re saying he left at what two something in the morning mhm that fight happened way earlier in the night how did he know about the fight then if he wasn’t there and like good I
Mean CA to unless it was posted to social media and he somehow got in touch with people like you know like yeah you know how there’s like Mass Snapchatting Mass Snapchatting like unless he somehow is connected to somebody’s account who’s conect Ed to them and he’s seeing things posted like
That that are being sent out or put on somebody’s story yeah but you think we would know that but like you would think that there would be a search warrant for something like that like Snapchat is there a search warrant for Brian cob for Snapchat I agree with you
100% And you know what’s interesting is uh I need to pull it up you guys you guys I I don’t have the receipts for this so call me on it right uh but the police have said that the fraternities have uh been supportive of the investigation from the beginning okay
Okay but there is no evidence that the police have actually done a walkth through of the fraternity like they claim and that is actually against fraternity rules wait these fraternities don’t allow cops to search their premises without a warrant they function like a corporation
Okay so like a cop can’t just walk up in Walmart and be like yo I need in your back room to search it no Walmart would not give to that you need a search warrant same thing with apple police can’t just walk up to Apple and be like
Hey I need this info from this phone and this info from this phone number Apple will say okay cool yeah no problem where’s your search warrant you know so fraternities function the same exact way okay where’s the search warrant and police if I’m remembering correct and
This is why I said call me on it because I I don’t remember but I’m pretty dang sure police came out and made a statement saying that the fraternities have worked with them and allowed them to search their premises and that is against the Fraternal code yeah but how
Do you know they didn’t get a warrant we don’t know that but how would they get a warrant you don’t just get a warrant just because you ask right there has to be probable cause there has to be probable cause there has to be probable CA probable cause be the
Fight two victims were there that night there was a fight maybe depending on what eyewitness account was stated interesting so there are Snapchat search warrants um there’s numerous uh of them I’m looking at three of them right now and they there’s no new documents
Since I was you know what I have not I have not looked um does anyone know off top their head is there any new documents since I was you know taken out last week so it says gonzal chap okay so they’re for all the victims and there were in addition to the
Victims there is that the most recent one there were three to four additional redacted names requested the most recent one that we covered like a few weeks ago no no what what date was that um hold on let me find it again it was 11222 okay and 43 2023 okay okay got it
Yeah so that is the victims and none of them appear to be for coburger none of the Snapchat ones appear to be for cobber unless his name was redacted but all be at that time all of them had all of them well there’s one from 2023 yeah yeah okay so from 2023
That yeah yeah yeah I gotta I got you and they’re it’s not none of them are for cobber um and the name and just a reminder everyone if you’re having a good time uh something you could do that really helps us out a lot more than I can even explain is just
Hitting that like button and leaving a comment at the bottom of the video not in the chat but on the bottom of the video even if you just leave a hello hey how you doing uh we would appreciate that so thank you yeah the 2023 one has
Dylan Bethany and the Vic like we have all the victim Snapchats but like there is none for with cober’s name on it okay okay interesting interesting so you know that that that interview with the uh college kids locally where they knew about this crime at 8 a.m. and that’s an
Interesting thing too okay is a lot of people like we’re sitting here asking the question where is the line drawn in the sand in the Greek life where they reach out to law enforce M and they don’t cave okay is that really what caused the 8 hour delay because in
Moscow’s Greek system they are so serious about not calling cops that they will not do it under any circumstances is that embedded into their heads from the time of uh of Rush Oh hey I just saw uh Elliot in the chat Elliot poock make sure you guys if
You’re chatting with him or talking to him tag his name in your response um Elliot is legally blind so he uses the TalkBack feature and he’ll only know if it’s directed at him if you tag him at Elliot poock and how you doing Elliott um yeah we would love to hear
Your theory so definitely leave it in a comment no need to say that anymore okay okay I won’t I thought I was doing a favor I’m sorry can you see were you was your vision miraculously restored no but maybe there was some kind of update to like the YouTube system you
Know what I mean where it makes it easier to navigate or something I’m not sure oh but I know that there’s a lot of tools out there that your average person wouldn’t know about you know um that uh they they’re doing really great things for people with disabilities for people
Who can’t hear for people who can’t see uh it’s incredible so the tags are in negative so don’t highlight them okay interesting yeah but I am super excited to be on this topic again people have been begging us to get back on this topic ever since we talked about it on our first
Two videos um because it’s so compelling this theory is so compelling there’s a lot to it and you know I’ve heard people walk through it and try to disprove it and I I feel like I’ve never heard it disproved with any objective evidence not at all um never have I heard
It anyone triy to disprove this with using factual anything yeah even just statistics or data like nothing I I feel like there isn’t a way to do that what a great question uh Ali ask did did law enforcement get four Chan warrants I sure hope so I sure hope
So there’s no way law enforcement doesn’t know about these mess messages if they do I mean gosh if they don’t I mean gez you guys I my faith is gone you know what I mean this is uh there is too much information in here there there’s
No way we can there’s no way we can prove this either though that’s the thing it’s like we we’re not the cops we can’t go get those search warrants we can’t look through these people’s phones we can’t confirm that they left their phones running during the crime we can’t
Confirm any of that stuff yeah that’s the cops job and if we find out that they never even looked like they never even got downloads of the phones if they never checked out any of this that would be a problem be a major problem I could not agree with you more
I don’t I don’t see how you could be a police officer and live with yourself every day but when you see something like this in forchan right with the amount of information and potential evidence that they talk about in here with a very clear layout of how this was
Conducted and not at least look and not at least look because in my opinion this explains a lot you guys it explains why there’s no DNA it explains those four random people running you know in in the bandfield footage it explains how this could have happened it gives a character
Uh analysis of the the the suspect the person who could have conducted this or or you know pulled people in to conduct it with them it doesn’t explain no DNA huh it doesn’t explain no DNA no DNA yeah you said it explains no DNA no it doesn’t there was three other
Unidentified male DNA at the crime scene and we don’t know how much more DNA was there yeah I meant no uh evidence on scene like blood being great uh tracked through the whole house does it oh for sure yeah that that’s what we were just looking at the
This one right here that talks about you know that there were two people in each room okay and they each had their Target and then how much easier would it be for two people to take off clothing and put it in a bag so that it doesn’t go
Anywhere one person couldn’t do it I don’t believe it I mean maybe if they again this comes down to the time aspect but if you had a black bag for each room and you lay it down right like a 44 gallon bag and you curl the sides up so
That you can step step in it and then you remove everything and then what you go to the next room with a new pair of clothes and then you do what you do again and then you lay down your black trash bag take everything off um and
Then put on a third pair of clothes and then you know what I mean like it doesn’t make sense you would need to be able to change and not get blood on your new clothes you would need to wash your hands or something probably wouldn’t you think like cuz if
You’re wearing gloves wearing gloves you just pull off the gloves like you can do that without touching them I can yeah I can too yeah you can tattoo artists do it all the time yeah but I’m thinking about taking the clothes off and doing that and the
Shoes yeah I I’m telling you it does doesn’t make sense it doesn’t make sense but all the weirdness in this crime this story does make sense well it does it adds up one plus one equals two if law enforcement were to come to me and be
Like yo this is what happened and they gave this story I would automatically be like oh wow okay how horrible but that makes perfect sense and again that’s me trying to scrutinize this I don’t want this to be true this is scary this means we have four sociopaths potentially running
Around that now have a taste it’s terrifying stuff absolutely terrifying stuff I don’t want this to be true H yeah I mean I don’t I like I said before I think Brian Cobra being guilty is literally the best case scenario in this situation it is the best situation
For everybody involved because it means nobody else is going to get hurt because he’s incarcerated it means that the victims and the families get Justice it means no tax dollars wasted um you know it means that the Killer is actually going to be held accountable like it’s the best case
Scenario but with the with the information we have now it just doesn’t make sense to me yet like there’s a lot of missing pieces sorry um say that one more time with what we currently have there’s there’s just too many missing pieces I agree I agree with you 100% um but is it
Possible that this was four people two and and four people one for each each person and it just so happened that the two remaining roommates lucked out what do you think about the locked out or knew something I I don’t think I I have a hard time with that but why
Wouldn’t they call 911 what explains the not calling 911 because they’re in the Greek life that’s why I’m so that means they know who did it that’s that that’s why I’m so stuck on this question of where is the line drawn with fraternal orders where is the line drawn yeah but would
They do that for somebody who’s not in their fraternity it what do you mean it doesn’t matter what you don’t have to another fraternity you do you have an oath that you cannot call police that your go-to is your fraternity absolutely you do it has nothing to do with who you’re talking
About it’s the fact that you cannot go to police if you’re in danger you’re not supposed to no I look I you’re acting like I’m I wrote These but then we see that fraternities do not call police in these situations so does it sound absurd absolutely but is it provable in the
Writing of the commitments of fraternal orders yes I’m not making this up I didn’t write the rules they do not help police period it is fraternity above all that’s why I’m saying where is the line drawn here where is it just on a person by-person
Basis is it is it so serious that if you call police before you call your Greek you know problem solvers or Greek big brother sister whatever um you get kicked out like what is the severity here I think that could be why eight eight hours happened what if they did
Reach out to their fraternity and no one answered what if they’re sitting there waiting to be called back h we don’t know we don’t know the one thing I do know is that fraternities and sororities they’re the same thing so we’ll just use fraternity as a blanket statement um fraternities are not
Allowed to reach out to police they do not they handle everything in house they have their own investigators they have their own uh problem management groups they have their own legal councils they’re literally corporations interesting again that goes back to the fraternity deaths why is why it I just I
Don’t think I’d ever want my kid to ever be in a fraternity if that’s the case like how could parents who’ve been in fraternities want their children to be in fraternities if they know that because there’s a lot of benefits to being in a fraternity too unfortunately
There are we looked at all those benefits and uh a man who is in a fraternity for their first job is uh is how do I word that is for their first position they are going to receive a 50% more annual salary than somebody not in a fraternity right proven proven statistic proven
Statistic you guys which is gross it is so just being in a fraternity means you’re going to get a 50% higher uh annual salary than somebody who got graduated out of college with the same degree and wasn’t in a fraternity you also have the brothers that have your
Back there if you have a problem look it’s a Fraternal Order all you do is you call up your fraternity and say dudes guys I have a problem and I need your help they are Duty bound to come help you sounds kind of nice it’s a good point there’s benefits
But I think the negatives are are just way too scary well I mean I’m sure a lot of people make it out of their college days in a fraternity and a sor for the most part well connected you know supported in their careers and and fine but the
Problem is is when you get in a bad situation you know what I mean like yeah and like are they creating little narcissistic sociopaths oh absolutely absolutely yeah and running around the world being some of the most important people in our country and Elliot mentioned this this is important so the
Fraternal Order of Police too you got to take that into account right and we have this big concern with with police right now and how they manage um their loyalties with each other is police just another Fraternal Order that and this is why we’re seeing such
Issues you know what is there an actual like Fraternal Order of Police oh yeah yeah that they join yep it’s real yes this is all real I thought they would just be like Masons or something considering most judges and lawyers are masons unless it’s ran by Freemasons
That’s possible oh yeah the emblem looks pretty Masonic actually yeah Fraternal Order of Police the voice of our nation’s law Enforcement Officers Lodge locations Community parties labor um can we look at the lodge locations in Idaho is it easy to look at oh yeah it’s pretty easy to look at right there that’s
Moscow look at that there’s one in Moscow go up you’re missing it where oh right there right there well that’s really interesting yeah there’s one literally in Moscow par Paradise Lodge is that what it says I can’t read it no it’s pooo oh pooo Lodge in MOS great great great
Great call out um Elliot thank you thank you thank you uh yeah this is interesting interesting it’s kind of interesting that there is a lodge here for a town that’s so small so tiny tiny is there one in cordelane oh I’m sure there is doesn’t look like it oh there it is
Yeah there’s a bunch oh yeah there’s like four of them in that one area and then there’s some in Spokane too yeah yeah yeah where is the state Lodge does it identify which one’s the state it says that it’s red oh I would Zoom way out because the
Stars get bigger when you zoom out they do yeah they look bigger like you can oh there it is okay so it’s Southeast what town is that Collins doesn’t it say Blackfoot or something I can’t read text that you’re right you’re right you’re right yeah Blackfoot black foot everyone in that
Town has black feet the Church of Latter Day Saints darn them the Church of latterday saints trying to say that I copyrighted their stuff you know what’s interesting to me like is how many fraternities are subsets of major fraternities that we all know about like I said the Masons the Masons
They also have a hand in like the Shriners um Elks and moose lodges like you to be a Shriner you have to be a 33rd degree Mason like we talked about this in the DOI video and how many lawyers and judges and cops are a part of fraternities either in the Masons or
Fraternities that are controlled by the Masons so it’s like can are is are though is that proper in a court of law when you have have or in an investigation where you have a suspect who is literally come from a lineage of Masons and is going to the same Lodge as
The prosecutor of the case or you know the judge has connections to that Lodge and those people and like you know all these connections like are those proper are those Okay I hear you especially in a small town where they’re all going to the same Lodge yeah that feels too close for comfort when you’re considered a in a Brotherhood with somebody yeah yeah and you’re you’re sworn to protect and keep each other’s Secrets I I hear you so I
Think it’s a problem I don’t think I think it creates an unfair justice system right because what look you took your position and the people uh not not actually but the people gave that officer their badge okay and uh they are there to protect and serve the citizens the people uh however when
You’re part of a Fraternal Order um you’re not you’re not there to prioritize the protect and serve of the citizens anymore so yeah problem issues there anytime there’s anything one thing something anything that gets in the way of a police officer doing their job and duties to protect
And serve the citizens of their Community right and police officers should be Community leaders here uh I think that’s a problem yeah I think it’s a problem I don’t think there should be allowed to be fraternal orders of police I don’t think should be uh look I I
Don’t know how I feel about fraternities I know that it feels like they’re too powerful uh not power too powerful but it feels like they conduct themselves in a way that isn’t supportive of our society right for like reasons of not calling police that how on Earth should that
Ever be okay to be like oh no you know I see that that guy just got his head bashed in but I gotta call my rep first not the police that’s like a cult to where you can’t like you can’t call the police that feels like cultish and
Controlling and messed up and wrong I I agree with you yeah I agree with you so like at some point I feel like there needs to be a cut off line where if you have a fraternity you can’t make a rule like that or else it becomes an issue for society and dangerous
Yeah but um I think regardless of what we do they’re gonna exist no matter what it you know there were times in the past where you know fraternities were outlawed in various countries many countries in the past and every time they just went underground and they got stronger and they survived through it
Like it didn’t it didn’t do anything having them in the light is better than making them illegal so they go underground we don’t know what’s going on at all um you know I just think it’s safer the rules just need to change though because you can you can be part
Of a group and fraternity and support each other and be there for each other and get the benefits of getting that 50% extra annual salary from somebody that’s you know not part of a fraternity like you can have all those benefits and and not actively fight against the laws of our
Society because that’s what it is if you’re part of a group and that group is not allowed to call police let’s just pretend the surviving roommates uh that is why they didn’t do it right because they called their uh their Greek rep and were waiting on on a call back like
Let’s just assume that is that situation that is insane that should never be allowed these fraternities sororities whatever need to fix that issue that should not ever be okay never ever ever ever because you had to follow the rule of reaching out to your fraternity rep
First you know each minute that goes by is another minute that uh potential evidence could be degrading or somebody who could have survived isn’t going to or a suspect close by or a suspect is getting further and further away you know like those right after the crime is
Like one of the most important times to for police to be on it and know what’s going on um but the Fraternal Order of the police really scares me a lot like I don’t think that is acceptable like think about if you were to go say say I
Don’t know the truth of this okay I don’t know what it is in reality but say you are to join the Moscow police department and everyone there is a part of the Fraternal Order of Police and you feel pressured like you’re not a part of the club nobody trusts you in the field
When you guys go out in the field you’re not trusted because you’re not a part of the fraternity you’re not part of the Brotherhood so to be able to even do your job properly to even be able to get along with your fellow officers you need to join the
Fraternity like it it feels really weird yeah it feels wrong it feels wrong it feels uh manipulative controlling and and what’s the point of it yeah yeah I hear you I I I get it I how does it benefit cops or how do better yet how does it benefit
Society yeah yeah and I’m curious what what fraternities are secret I’m curious what major fraternity owns the these like uh Fraternal Order of Police and things like that because you know it’s interesting I don’t know if a lot of people know this but uh there there aren’t a ton of fraternities most of
These fraternities boil down to just a few major fraternity so I’ll use like Sigma Kai as an example here um Sigma Kai is the head name of that fraternity and then they have a whole bunch of other fraternities underneath them like it I’ll just make something up like you know
Theta whatever whatever you know and that will be a sigma Kai for eternity yeah but it it has a different title and then what’s interesting is that one school there will be both of them Sigma Kai and this other one but they’re both Sigma Kai yep
Wild yep wild it it feels like it’s a branch right that that you’re trying to spread out and uh and dig in to people it’s really strange so going back to the forchan post again I I think this if you’re a part of the fraternity right and you
Feel it inside of you that hey this isn’t okay I think I know who did this uh I don’t want to rat on my fraternity because it’s not allowed what can I do and maybe this is that somebody that’s in the same fraternity as these guys went on
Forchan because they didn’t want to lose their 50% bump and their Brotherhood of Sigma Kai but couldn’t sit on their hands what if it was somebody who was friends with Ethan it it could be it could just be somebody that can’t live with backing a murderer right
Right I don’t even think it has to be somebody that’s friends with one of the victims I think there are people out there that just can’t let this go because it they know it would eat at them they have a conscience it would eat at them
Y I think it yeah I mean I I’ve wondered who it could be this whole time um and I’ve actually I’ve tried to like look around and investigate myself to see who I think it could be if if this is real and I kind of have an idea
Of who I think it is well I iess I would never say who I think it is because it’s totally speculative I guess I’ll make this statement though that it you know if somebody’s watching from the fraternity and and you want to talk and
You want us to be the voice box and you don’t want to show who you are you want to keep um you know your you’re in image your voice you want to keep all that stuff secret but you have information that you want to share because you have
A conscious and you’re not okay with this uh you know reach out to us so I I believe that you know I not I believe I try really hard to be overly honest and transparent with everybody um so I would never put somebody on blast that isn’t
Okay with that I don’t even like giving our own thought writers shout outs sometimes if they didn’t tell us it was okay to use their name you know what I mean no I just don’t want to risk putting people on blast that don’t we’re heavy Believers in karma so I mean if we
Make a promise that we will not leak your information let anyone know your identity we never ever would do that yeah never and you you know how many fraternities have been the leaders of drug Rings oh yeah many so then that goes into like terrifying actually it’s
Like what is even going going on what’s the difference between a gang and a fraternity you have a group of guys that are sticking up for each other that don’t call police that uh handle their business within their group uh they are running dope and drugs to people uh and
They’re taking care of all their own problems one’s a bunch of poor kids one’s a bunch of you know people for money there there’s no difference no none I don’t care how much only yeah the only difference though is the typee of people like you know what I mean I I
Didn’t realize you didn’t realize that they’re not allowed to call police like at all well I heard people talk about that but I didn’t know if that was like a legitimate thing that is provable oh yeah it’s legit it’s in it’s in every commitment statement that I’ve
Read from fraternal orders some of them are secret some of them have uh you know leaked out but uh any of them that I have read specifically talk about that that any and all issues have to go through the fraternity or through the Brotherhood um and I’m glad you said
That Elliot they actually sign ndas you’re right they do when you join a fraternity you sign an NDA makes sense meaning you’re literally not allowed to talk period hm so all these questions that people have what in my opinion like whether you think Brian coburger is guilty because
Look you guys let’s be real here like this forchan thing could be legitimate and Brian coburger could somehow be involved okay I think that’s a real possibility this could be legit legitimate Brian cobre or not have anything to do with this whatsoever and he was just convenient for for uh you
Know the school to to not take the brunt of this and can you imagine if this came out that it was a fraternity brother do you realize the publicity that that school would get what is going on in Idaho what are they teaching their kids there Greek leaders in the the student
Body are part of a quad Drupal homicide oh horrible horrible it’s so horrible that if I was the University’s president I would force police to meet with me every single morning making sure that I controlled the narrative and the direction the investigation went and
Have a war room with me so with um Sigma Kai I’m really curious how much they donate to the the university every every year um how high they are on that donor list like you know how much they give to the school I mean they’re a they’re a major because they eternity have
Literally been on the verge of having their door shut Nationwide you know yeah but not because of money not because of money right because of their bad behavior like their awful behavior um and all the issues that run rampant in Sigma Tai fraternity chapter right so I’m almost curious
If CUA Scott green wasn’t Sigma Kai but he cares about the school he cares about his reputation as a businessman and about the president there and you know being the guy to save this University turn around and make it so successful and you know really make a name for
Himself in this industry clearly that that is what he cares about um if he were to lose that money with him getting this University City of Phoenix steel and everything like would that be a such a major blow because after a quadruple homicide with Sigma Kai like don’t you
Think the verge of Sigma Kai being shut down would become a reality if fraternity members were involved in a crime like this so you’re talking about saving the actual Financial income that’s coming in from Sigma Kai so is there is there reason why a college would back Sigma Kai and
Uh and and not allow them to get in trouble uh because they want the money that’s coming from Sigma Kai I don’t know I don’t know well it makes me you know and I’m not even necessarily saying Scott green knows that these people committed this crime he could just be
Turning a blind eye see red flags there and say you can’t look into them you can’t they are a fraternity they listen though they would never do that exact they would never do that just like everyone when this Theory first came up said is those dumb drunk fra you know
Bros couldn’t do something like this right and I’m thinking why do you think that yeah like have you not seen the stories about them running drug Rings like trafficking Rings yeah yeah why do you think that have you not seen the statistics around sexual assault have you not seen that you know
More than half of girls that are in sororities end up leaving with some sort of assault done to them because of the Greek life like yeah yeah I I hear you and and that’s what I first started looking into I’m glad I started looking into that first because it helped me
Enter this Theory with I feel like a more obje objective view of what fraternity’s can be right what they can be and um it it it can be scary it can be scary it could it could potentially turn into a very scary situation very quickly it could especially with Sigma Kai being on
The verge of being closed down all they had to do is have one more problem within their fraternity and they were going to be forced to close their doors nationally that’s my point yeah yeah exactly exactly close their do nationally nationally the entire nation would have shut down and kicked out Sig
You could have had Sig maai lawyers coming in talking to the president being like you know you know these boys would never do anything like that you know something like that and be like look if we get shut down over this you’re losing this much money every year and you just
Signed the University Phoenix deal so so like are you sure you want yeah to support the police going after the fraternity here’s a random example okay using a different case so Denise huskins the real life Gone Girl all right we uh we covered this story it
Is wild it is crazy it is interesting it is sad um but Denise huskins and her boyfriend had somebody approached them wearing a wet suit and with laser pointers and lights and then put them zip tied them put them in a uh in a closet and and put over the ear
Music headphones on them and these uh black painted um like goggles or whatever essentially where I’m going with this is it was so absurd the the what what these abductors and theves did was so outside of what we would consider normal that none of the cops thought it
Was real none of them none of them so he eventually ended up and there’s so many more details to this you guys I’m I’m really shortening it down like the the lengths that this robber and kidnapper went to are oh my gosh it’s crazy it is
It is like what you see out of a CIA a Hollywood Story movie okay um but once the cops got there the cops were like no way that can’t happen there is no way that anyone would do that this is real life this isn’t Hollywood but and then
Those cops were blaming them they are now being sued for like $50 million or or whatever the lawsuit they’re asking for is I forget what the number is but um but it did really happen it did really happened and it happened in a way that is outside of what the average
Criminal would do what the average situation would look like and that’s important because then when you look at a case like this the this is outside of what you would expect average uh frat dudes to be able to accomplish and or do right what do we expect our frat
Dudes to do we expect them to be on some nasty couch beer bonging hard liquor and you know acting a fool doing cannonballs into the pool but could they do this too and I I don’t see any reason why they can’t I no reason you guys I was
That age I was a troublemaker there is no difference between somebody that’s that age and fit and in shape and uh able to do these things that is in a frat versus somebody that’s not in a frat the a lot of people that you know are believe Brian coburger is guilty use
The Frat fraternity group like that’s the reason why they they couldn’t do this so strange I just don’t get it I just don’t get it and hey a convict Thoughts with ar Hayes is in the chat welcome and for anybody uh that’s watching this and I need to do some
Major uploads for the True Crime talk show I haven’t done it in a while but um anyways you guys should check out AR haes he’s awesome content creator he uh he went through some struggles in life and now has an amazing point of you uh to talk about it and
Look at some of these cases so welcome welcome my friend um and I I did see art of deduction in here earlier too I meant to say hello and I got sidetracked like I do um but uh but yeah I I think there’s a lot of reasons why this could happen right so
Then it comes down to the question of okay well well how did Brian cger become the guy right is it possible that these guys were so skilled that they intentionally left a sheath there with this DNA on it or were these guys this skilled and the sheath was you know not
There I’ve seen so much evidence about the sheath that’s just so questionable man and I don’t want to come off tin hat I I love our police officers the ones that are respectable the ones that are trustworthy the ones that protect and serve the public and they deserve
Everybody’s respect and they deserve all the disgusting cops that do horrible things to be held accountable so they’re not judged against those behaviors um and I don’t want to come off super tin hat but like gosh crazy crazy crazy I almost wonder if Brian Cobra because I read something
Recently um and you’ll guys see the you you’ll see something like this coming out very soon I’m not sure which day but uh on the podcast this past week we talked about the new leak text messages yeah and I’m only going to bring up one right now um because that
Video will be coming out very soon but that Brian cober was being monitored in Pennsylvania is and I don’t know if these messages are in fact real or not I have no idea but if they are and if that’s true then is it a possibility that Brian coburger was into
Some weird stuff like was he browsing red rooms was he browsing stuff on the dark web and it got him on some kind of FBI watch list and and because he was in the area that this happened they tunnel visioned on him is that a possibility yeah he could be like a sick
Freak and still not have done this oh yeah oh yeah absolutely absolutely I agree with you I agree with you just say I don’t know how I feel about those text messages too I have I have no idea you guys they’re they’re they’re strange I I
Have a hard time speaking on that just because I I have absolutely no opinion what if they’re reliable one way or the other so it’s to me they almost feel too good to be true okay like they’re talking about literally every major issue that people are bringing up with this case they are
Um it just feels too good to be true and uh and the fact that the internet is being scrubbed of it in my opinion that’s what it looks like it looks like somebody is paying to have these taken down uh it reminds me of a
Lawsuit yeah is is it not Steve and he is pursuing legal uh Avenues you know yeah or is it not is it Steve and he’s still pursuing legal avenues like we don’t know we don’t know but I know I could make a fake account that looked like his I mean
If you’re into cloud-based forensics and Technology and you’re a criminologist you know he could not be like a sick freak as I said it before but he could be looking at this stuff out of pure interest because he is in that field where he could be accessing the dark web
And looking at these things like who knows maybe he was some kind of vigilante type Justice person who’s sending in TS to the FBI yeah who’s looking at this stuff and trying to gather as much information as he can the FBI as a tip but they don’t realize
He’s sending in tips he thought he was trying to like help and somehow heard that this was gonna go down and then he got pinned y oh worst luck ever you guys like it would be the worst luck ever do I think that’s very tin atish yeah I I
Do I think that is connecting we don’t have any evidence for it no none I think that is connecting a whole bunch of potential dots that that aren’t connected in any way shape or form right now um but would it be interesting it would be interesting it would be interesting for
Sure so the entire conversation is literally all about stuff that’s been troll events in the case yeah Heather that’s a good point yeah yeah I because dot is talked about heavily in those messages and Dot was like a total troll like 100% confirmed total Troll And
There’s so many texts about Dot and the other person claiming dot is 100 they feel like she’s 100% real and telling the truth and legitimate and I’m like yeah and there’s one part in there I don’t want to get too much into these because we talk about him but
There’s this one part in there that talks about we didn’t talk about dot though that talks about being uh like like so Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk like being very well protected or insulated or whatever and uh it that to me stands out as making it not true
Because that is a strange thing to say and uh you know it Steve has already come out once talking about that and being like that is not what I meant Andor said uh you know what I mean and it it was just strange it it just feels it feels wrong like the conversations
Feel wrong but you know well and and I’ll say this that I think Steve is a really smart guy and I don’t think he necessarily very smart he is and I don’t think that someone just having a lawyer means they’re well protected like you know
What I mean yeah because he has a lawyer like if you’re a smart person you get a lawyer yeah yeah like that’s what smart people do yeah they innocent or guilty you keep your mouth shut you get a lawyer you get at that legal advice when you’re involved in a situation like this
So that you can make the best decisions possible yeah yeah so but uh that is definitely something we are um G to go into I think I think Steve is is very smart I just he clearly he’s seeing things through the lens of a grieving father um his guaranteed that family’s
World was shattered by this absolutely shattered I cannot imagine what it’s like to be in their situation and those texts if they’re real it’s absolutely disgusting yeah that they were leaked yeah that’s an awful thing to do to a grieving father who’s looking for information on what
Happened to their child yeah I I don’t want to comment on anything having to do with any of it because I don’t know I don’t want to give any opinion because I don’t even know if they’re real I know nothing about it so I don’t want to like
Commit to saying oh yeah this is bad this is wrong or this is this or this is that or or this that or the other and I I know nothing about any of it you know um I saw Elliot said something in here which I want to highlight uh Sigma Kai’s
Charter emergency plan says if a member Witnesses a critical event they should look to uh conso Council because he’s in charge and look to him for the answers yeah so um like the head of the the that chapter or Charter yeah yeah at I knew this um maybe Malia just didn’t uh like
Understand how far that goes because yeah it’s it’s very strange it is strange and that makes me wonder again like the eight hour gap okay did these girls reach out to their contact First and like we’re waiting to hear back I was Beth it’s all gonna matter where the
Line is drawn in the sand of what’s acceptable and what’s not yeah Bethany was in a sorority right yeah they all were yeah but I was trying to remember if what sorority Dylan and Bethany were in they were were they in different ones I I need yeah they’re in different ones
I need to pull it up and look it up um I don’t remember off top of my head ca wasn’t Maddie was somebody’s big right one of their Bigs like she are you’re asking me questions I don’t know off top my head yeah I’m just not sure off top of my
Head but uh there’s a new Max documentary is it new H yeah okay yeah that’s what I thought Maddie was Dylan’s big okay DM was not in a sorority yeah there’s pictures of her though Maddie was Bethany’s oh my gosh there’s so many different conflicting comments now no they they
Are I saw pictures so I know that Maddie was one of their bigs I just don’t exactly remember who’s but there was Pictures I mean Kaylee was moving but it doesn’t make sense for Kaylee to drop the sorority even if you were to move away you don’t just drop your sorority no that’s when you start getting benefits from being in a sorority you know is the jobs the increase in uh in
Pay um and uh yeah so um I’m G to run to the restroom real quick you guys but uh I see that we have quite a few new people here go ahead and hit that like button if you’re having a good time leave a comment under the video uh we
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So Bethany Funk was a member of the pi beta fee sorority with kodal and Mogan come all yeah I think mortensson is too but it’s Bethany that is talked about in this article it’s in the New York Post where it talks about Bethany being in that uh sorority with
Them look at the U ofi Vic page what does that mean when members of when new when members make new members drink themselves to death it’s always an outsider who calls the police hm what is The ufi Vic victim page is that what you’re saying yeah I don’t know you should send you
Should send me that link Heather it’s not popping up in my Google search results right now and we can look at it you know here in a minute all right everybody so for those of you that are new here welcome and we’re super stoked to have you here
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