W oh yeah been waiting on this one you guys listen I am excited about tonight for two reasons thank you all for coming on in the room hey India good to see you hey sister BR good to see you as well well listen for those you all
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Information listen now is the time I am there’s two reasons why I’m excited about tonight one reason why I’m excited about tonight is the topic itself of Hebrew Israelites this has been something that is very causing a lot of mass disturbance Mass deception uh during these a during this day and
Age especially in uh this area so not only for the topic is what I’m excited about but I’m also excited about the person who shares the screen with me why am I excited about Mr VAB Malone because he is a guy I vocab I didn’t even
Realize until I I was you know just surfing YouTube and of course you know um a lot of people know do uh Dr Mike Winger and I saw you on this program and didn’t realize uh when I look at a lot of other platforms you have been invited
On other platforms because this is a huge focal point for you and so you have been dealing with him for you all that don’t know and I’ll give him a brief chance just to you know just to introduce himself to the audience but for those You’ all who don’t know or
Maybe have never heard of them he travels the country and he travels and he gets into the streets and you can correct me if I’m wrong and actually deal with and debate Hebrew Israelites so this is something that’s not new to him this is something he studied this is
Something he has experienced in and I and we talk about it later this might not if you’re not really privy to the Hebrew Israelites and though you may be saved and you may know enough not to touch it we advise that you be fully equipped before you engage them because
It can be very deceptive after all they’re using quote unquote the Bible but without further Ado we have Mr vocab Malon so vocab would you please just greet the people man and it’s an honor for you to be with us tonight yes sir glad to be here Andrew
And uh welcome everybody come on on in yeah my name is vocab and I’ve been doing uh evangelism in apologetics for about two decades I guess in a sustained type of official way and uh recently you know the Hebrew Israelite religion has become more and more of a
Problem an issue a challenge and so I focused more and more on it and uh it’s a unfortunately it’s a need that doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon so just trying to equip people you know ultimately uh we love the church and we
Love the Lord and we love the gospel you know and so if Hebrew Israelites didn’t exist uh I could just talk about about that uh but you know they attack those things and they distort those things and get people to believe that their misunderstandings about God and the gospel are right and
So here we go you know talking about this in context of trying just to be trying just to be faithful Christians ultimately and so yeah I talk to some of these guys on the streets and have dialogues and debates and discussions and then with churches and Christians you know have various questions uh
People thinking about joining people leaving all kinds of flux going on right now and that’s just the state of things and I think it’ll be that way for a while because uh they’re growing by all measures we can measure yes they are definitely man taking over territory and
In your experience I know from my experience I’ve even seen or even heard of some pastors the there has been one or two churches that they have come and got in there the pastor didn’t really know about them or haven’t even heard of them seeming like they were speaking
Scripture at the beginning and ended up taking over the church the members had had for a certain degree have lost faith or I guess confidence in their leader of that house because he wasn’t equipped to deal with them and hey seemed like they was coming with scripture and so just
Want to let you guys as watch you know that this is some serious stuff that it is a privilege for us to sit up here and deal with this today so yeah get your family and friends even check out the replay and if you’re going to be
Watching from um Channel 8 the replay bless you guys and thank you all for tuning in but get your loved ones to sit in front of the television station and watch and be equipped because again we are coming at this and we don’t apologize for coming at this from a
Christian standpoint those who are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ and the reason why I want to say that before we go into furthers because you know vo we had um just At The Mention and and a lot of people seeing the flyer you know there was a issue and of people
Recognizing I guess not understanding that hey because we are Christians do we have to invite someone non-Christian on to be with us if not they would feel that I guess it would be less anointed or whatever the case may be and I know you you are very very um not only vers
But you have a lot of experience in you know debating you know what I’m saying and things like that with them and so one of the things that I just wanted to remind the people is that y’all understand this and I don’t know where we get this from but make sure you
Understand never put a rule on top of ministry that the Bible or scripture doesn’t put them there and so sometimes in New Age we just think oh it’s not Jesus if everybody don’t have a voice at the table first of all you got to understand there are
Times of equipping there are times of evangelism there are times of development all of those three thing all of those things are beautiful and the needed and the faith but guess what they don’t all have to happen at the same time as a matter of fact one of the
Things that I teach is that the and we going to be doing a teaching here in the future about how evangelism destroys or how it’s fighting quote unquote the church from the standpoint of because it’s fighting developmental Christians so we have to learn how to understand that there are many facets of Ministry
They all are important but one of the things about church is when you try to do all of them on within two hours on the Sunday morning normally they don’t happen in an effective way so with that said we got to understand yeah are we Evangelistic right now or are we
Developmental right now because Evangelistic sermons are different than discipleship sermons why because some one is Invitational and one is Developmental and one is not meant to grow people up one is just meant to invite people to the faith and so without further Ado let’s just get into
It today because we also already have some pres submitted questions that people wanted to ask and we just going to pick Mr vav’s brain here tonight and so with that said man we just have a couple questions but before we even get into the questions uh you know vocab
Anything else that you want to say before we move forward about what you’re seeing and they any currents recently what’s going on with you well uh recently an organization that’s a a think take uh kind of a political and policy Think Tank outside of Washington DC it’s called The Manhattan
Institute Manhattan Institute uh fielded a survey and the survey was designed to determine the numbers of people who adhere to Hebrew isalis and at the end of the day uh the indications were shocking to the people who did the research 9% of black Americans self-identify as Hebrew Israelites that’s about four million
People and and the fascinating thing about that is that it’s grown since the last survey there’s only been two surveys on this topic I’ve talked about both of them on my channel but I don’t think enough people know one way to kind of put this in a frame of reference
Andrew is there are more Hebrew Israelites than are than there are black Catholics in America right now so kind kind of helps shed light on the nature of the situation we’re facing wow and and as you’re saying it’s growing rapidly wow I didn’t I didn’t realize that but that’s definitely some alarming
Numbers which is definitely worthy topic to yeah they think they’re going to take over so when I say this they think that uh we’re afraid listen uh we’re not afraid you know what Jesus said he said that the Gates of Hell will not they’re not going to Prevail against
The church and Jesus Promised he’s going to build his church and he’s going to build it upon the same confession that g uh Peter gave about Jesus Christ which is who he is right Messiah Son Of Living God well Hebrew sites in essence deny that because they have their own version
Of who he is and so it’s another Jesus so it’s not built upon that foundation so ultimately it’s not going to last but uh you know all these groups can have their moment in the Sun so to speak even though if they will not Prevail for all generations because the church has
Withstood these attacks and they’ve happened and some elements of hebreu isalis remind me of previous attacks Andrew specifically the gnostics now I don’t mean the ideas of the gnostics per se for the most part there’s some rough parallels but here’s what I mean when you study about the
Gnostics one Insidious thing about the gnostics and this is a heresy that crept up towards the end of the first century and was really in full blossom um by the by the mid 2nd Century especially a big problem um is didn’t always leave church so in a way if a person is
Following Jesus on the outward and they’re in an early church let’s say it’s 150 ad and then they’re in Smyrna and they’re like hey I now believe that Jesus is not a savior but rather he’s a teacher of secret wisdom and knowledge and that we have to gain
This secret wisdom and knowledge in order to be not saved but enlightened and that will save us from our ignorance something like that that’s the essence of narcissism if they’re going to say that and promote it we don’t want them to do that but honestly they’re doing it’s a
Favor if they leave because then they can’t say hey young Jimmy did you know that Jesus had secret sayings that only I know and I’m going to teach you and they’ll lead you to the true Mysteries of the path of Heaven which is really just inner Enlightenment and young Jimmy
Says for real and then you have a problem of internal corruption so a lot of these gnostics back in the day wouldn’t go now some did leave they were separate in distinct groups but not all of them enough of them stuck around to create a real problem that’s why you see
Such a bevy of literature by early Christian apologists against various Gnostic sexs and you know for years people said well those Christian apologists maybe they were overblowing it or exaggerating or maybe they’re misrepresenting their opponents and then lo and behold in the 40s we found this
Uh Trove of books about 40 of them outside of uh an Egyptian Monastery in nag hamadi and now there’s the nag hamadi library and we can read a lot of these Gnostic works and realize oh these Christian apologists were right this is in the gospel and they had good reason
To be concerned and so I think that’s some of what we see with Hebrews isites you know because my point is by saying there may be up to four million who identify as that within the community they don’t all go leave they don’t all go stand on the corner
They don’t all start their own website that says you know B some of them s around and infiltrate and do exactly what you said in the beginning of the program so it’s a real issue you know what I like I like the way that you
Brought up they did us a some of them did us a favor by letting them know and leaving because I want it’s amazing uh just on Tuesday I was at a meeting with some P Christian leaders in the area and and some pastors of different churches
And whatnot and one of the things that I was afforded to submit to them was we have to first of all in order to guard the church the household of faith we have to understand about first of all we need to neglect our love for numbers and being not only numbers
Driven because we have to understand just like you said they do us a favor I was telling them some of us one of the problems with with church as as we’re trying to romance is that leaders are trying to get people to follow them that would never follow Jesus
Christ and so because of that you guys we have to ask so if you’re pastors out there just understand look Jesus if you look at the way he Liv the reason why he said some hard things was to sift through the crowd that was following him
Because of course he had a shock Factor he was doing Miracles and stuff and so sometimes we get that twisted up when we say Jesus hung out with Sinners well he was in the streets doing Ministry he had a shot factor and he had a following and
Sometimes it caused him to look back at it and say listen don’t follow me he said hard things and people left him why because he didn’t want to waste his time and he didn’t want the people who didn’t really want him but they maybe wanted what he offered he didn’t want to waste
Their time either and so I like when you said that because it just reminded me of that conversation that I had just with some leaders a couple days ago about just understanding how to keep motivations pure in leadership so that we don’t just welcome all but we look to
Be like are you really a follower of Jesus or even if you want to be then that’s fine but for those who maybe want to still be in the fellowship but don’t really want to rock with Jesus like that you would do us a favor and you would do
Yourself a favor if you will notice yourself and leave so I like the way that you said that so real quick uh let’s just start off with this um bab so just explain to the to the listening and the viewing audience what is Hebrew israelism what or or what is the Hebrew
Israelites just general speaking what what is it yeah it’s a movement centered on two main claims one is we are the real Israelites and the reason I say we is each group defines the we differently usually though the we is at the very least black Americans well sometimes
They add and subtract from that group but usually they’ll least say that um but our group are the real Biblical Israelites meaning the blood descendants of of the ancient Israelites and then two your lineage matters in the sight of God and so really number two is a bigger
Problem than number one and the deal with number two is they say that you know this determines you’re standing before God your AG so it’s uh you know Salvation by race alone set of grace alone and so you have this situation where they’ll say well you know you
Can’t be saved or if you can come into the kingdom you’re going to have a lesser Place those are the things that they say and so those two things are obviously counter gospel and that’s what they push there’s various versions of it but that’s what they push and then their
Um understanding of even not only who can be saved is probably atic but how one is saved because they’ll say got to keep this law and then they have a Jesus who’s not God in the biblical sense and they deny the Trinity then they take away books
From the Bible then they add other books of the Bible and then they got another leader with secret Revelation one claims to be second only to Christ General johannas his name another who’s dead now claim to be the Holy Spirit manifest his name was Germaine Grant you go on down
The list and you say this is a this is clearly a false religion filled with false teachers and yet they’re all excited because their numbers are growing well there’s just fulfilling prophecies that Paul told Timothy in the last days a bunch of false teachers are going to come out people going to fall
Away in droves and Hebrews light that’s the prophecy they’re fulfilling they’re not fulfilling other prophecies they think they’re fulfilling Ezekiel 37 they’re not they’re fulfilling fulfilling things about false Messiah and First Timothy and things like that um so that’s who they are but it’s very deceptive you know everybody wants to
Kind of uh play nice with the doctrine act like it’s not that big of a deal you know and everyone wants to be understanding and go slow and I’m just like I think the time for that is over so we got to really deal with this thing
Folks you know we can’t just uh act like it’s not a different gospel with a different Jesus with a different everything we have to really understand this is something else and so that’s what I try to do is to inform people about the differences and you know one of the one
Of the alarming differences that should you know for those of you all who are watching and listening you know something is up or is different when the first thing that or normally that is asked of you is are you honoring the Sabbath are you keeping the law vers is
Saying inviting you to a relationship with the father and our Savior Jesus Christ because B I don’t know about you you definitely no more to me have you that seems to be something that’s normally avoided or how how do they view heaven or relationship with you well we
Know you can’t we’ll get into that later they can’t even most of them they’ll never say that name or you know whatever the case may be but when it comes to just invitation to a relationship with Jesus Christ which we know that’s the foundation of Christianity you know what
I’m saying is is that’s something that’s normally absent when you encounter them on the street corners when they have their loudspeakers and they’re trying to recruit they don’t recruit off the basis of relationship with him they recruit off the basis of you fulfilling the law
What what what do you say that is that an accurate assessment or yeah they they they recruit uh on the basis of your relationship supposedly to Abraham not your relationship to Jesus meaning aru a descendant you know as if a person could actually accurately track tra TR track or Trace their lineage over
2,000 4,000 years time like it’s some kind of known certainty that you could do this thing but that’s what they’re under the Imp impression that you can do and so uh they will say usually they’ll ask about the law usually if they perceive you to probably be an Israelite
By their measure but a lot of times what they ask people first is you know who’s your father or what’s your nationality that’s that’s the most question as far as on the corner on the corner now the guys in the other situations the ones who may not be the
Corner guys they’ll usually say stuff about the law and different things like that they usually get very upset about holiday and uh other things they were make a big deal about about those types of things versus other stuff and there’s a lot of conspiracy theories in Hebrew rism
Honestly it’s a it’s almost it is a religion a false religion of course but it’s almost less of a religion and more of a conspiracy theory because the whole thing is a conspiracy theory hey the wrong people got this identity and the right people are over here and we’ve
Been lied to about XYZ and DNA is a lie and this is not true and and then you look and you find out oh they’re flat earthers too I guess that makes sense and you just look uh it’s just a whole list of false beliefs there’s a major epistemological problem in this religion
Because so much is based upon honestly ignorance and emotion versus really the Holy Spirit and being informed and having true knowledge it’s just and that’s why a lot of people they get caught up in this because you know these guys will say I was in church just like
You and I’m not going back there okay a lot of them were churched but poorly church and you can tell you know and you ask him to Define Christian doctrine or what do Christians believe and this guy’s telling me he was a Christian for 20 years and he can’t
Accurately Define the Trinity he doesn’t know what the gospel is he you know it’s like how are you a Christian for 20 years supposedly a lot of them are poorly churched unfortunately and so the door is like wide open for some guy you know in a flashy they may not wear suits
But with a flashy cape and fringes and boots to come along and say oh here’s what your pastor won’t tell you the lying Christian Church wants to hold you down read this book out of the Old Testament you don’t know what it means you’ve never heard it before don’t worry
You have the key young son now let me tell you what the rest of the Bible means too wow and people just get sucked right in it’s it’s pretty easy a lot of times to kind of convince some of these folks and they just get sucked right in
You after one encounter one YouTube video sometimes honestly yeah it’s it’s the truth man it’s the truth because like you say it’s one of the sad things about it is it’s e one of the easiest type of people to pick off are church people who claim that they are trying
Christianity and it’s just like you ain’t really tried it you was in church but you ain’t really tried Christ like that and uh just like what you said I definitely agree with you said thank you so much for your comments which are welcome um Maxwell said this hey what’s
Going on um Pastor Maxwell he says they their hate for whites makes them attractive to most black people who feel uh verified thank you so much for your comments and also for those who may be tuning in late we welcome your comments and your questions tonight listen we
Have um a guy here in vocab Malone who specialize simul who focuses on uh Hebrew israelism and the belief he has a lot tons of interaction and engagements with them tons of debates with them and you all could go and check him out on his YouTube channel which if I’m not
Mistaken vocab they can find your YouTube channel is that named after your name oh yeah youtube.com in the program my D is called Street apologist live yeah Street apologist live and you can go there and he have countless debates on there and information out there that would
Actually help you out so those yall also just tuning in we’re dealing with the truth about the Hebrew Israelites okay and so also have a question for you uh vocab here you know someone who I guess was uh who now claim to be a part of the Hebrew Israelites posed this question as
If they was I guess this what uh part of what makes them valid so I’mma POS it to you as far as why would they ask that so they ask who are the of scripture and to that you say what sir yeah so if you read uh Genesis 25 you
See that there’s twins born Jacob and Esau the twins Esau is the oldest but Jacob of course gets the blessing and the birth right and then of course the 12 tribes of Israel derived from his loins and then you see in Genesis 49 that he um uh talks to to them all you
Know he He blesses them lays hands on them and that kind of thing and talks about the 12 tribes so the reason why I mention Esau is because the in the Bible are the descendants of Esau so um you have this person who is a twin
He’s a twin to Jacob and then he is a father of the now Josephus is a Jewish historian he seems to think they were identical twins now how would Josephus know that I don’t know he may be relying upon Jewish tradition or something like that the one West type Hebrew Israelite
Could never abide by that and that by the way shows that Josephus didn’t share Hebrew Israelite beliefs because he thought they were identical twins because the one West Hebrews light says well one was black and one was white and so whenever there’s like a boxing match
It’s a white guy a black guy that be like it’s Jacob versus Esau all over again and you know and that’s kind of the way they picture this lifelong struggle between people who supposedly are twins and yet they all their offspring looks totally different and so they’ll say that the are the
White man that’s that’s basically Europeans and the reason why that’s helpful for them is they can then use prophecies against Edom against white folks that’s why but how do they really derive the idea well if you read Genesis 25:25 you’ll see that there it’s says that one was red or Ruddy and hairy
There’s different ways it’s translated but those are the key phrases that are focused upon Hebrew ites sometimes translate it somewhat different but the emphasis they’ll put upon is that Hebrew word that gets translated is red or Ruddy and they’ll say you know if you smack the white man he turns red he’s
Out in the sun he turns red therefore he’s the Red Man not the white man well it’s a fascinating thing to look at because guess what that same Hebrew word pops up again in the Bible and guess who else is called Ruddy King David wow King David it’s the same exact word
So somebody if you have blue letter bible or you have a like a a higher level thing like logoff or Bible works or accordance if you have one of those biblical softwares go to Genesis 25 click on the word that says read or R and then find the underlying Hebrew word
And then find the other places it appears and you’ll see that that’s the exact same thing describing David so what do you do if David is supposed to be a real Israelite but yet Esau same word describing him physically is a white man so usually they’ll say well yeah
That’s just saying David was healthy okay then why isn’t saying that about Esau I don’t tell me help me understand why one is just saying they’re healthy or handsome and the other one is saying that you know they’re the progenitor to white folks I don’t understand and also there’s other
Folks I believe Solomon is also described is Ruddy so this is a this is a problem they just ignore it and just say well it doesn’t mean the same thing well why not if it’s a physical descriptor indicating that why not there’s something else that’s ludicrous
About this idea M think about you know if you don’t want to use the term Middle East because it’s a newer term and it is based upon its relationship to Europe Middle East is that is true that’s where the term came from it’s a newer term if
You want to use the word the Levant area if you even want to use the word uh you could say Southwest Asia that area of the world is is Southwest Asia whatever word you want to use that area of the world for that’s fine just think about
The area of the world and then think about uh roughly the borders of Israel okay here’s Israel you know right there and then down there you have this area called the trans Jordan area and historically off and on the borders shift and change just like borders shift
And change now but fact then it was a case too you had various times where Edom Ammon and also Moab lived in that area so that means ammonites and uh moabites all of them so they’re acting they’re they’re us to believe that you know you have this area that
They think is filled with basically people who could be described as black Israelites here they are and then you have these people who got these descendants and Twins and they’re they’re twins they’re descendants of the twin rather and they’re down there the and they’re all like Proto
White people and then to make it more Wild One West Hebrew isites they believe that Ammon and Moab are also roughly correlated to modern day people groups specifically Japanese and Chinese so not only that in this trans Jordin are you have the Chinese the Japanese white people and then you have
The black Israelites here I’m sorry it’s it’s such a it’s such a it’s such a wild religion that’s asking us to believe these things and then this little group of leave this area because it’s not a very big area and populates all of Europe not just France and Germany not
Just Western Europe but Russia Eastern Europe and everywhere in between southern Europe you know down down there you know and then you got Spain and Greece and the Mediterranean and Italians at least some of them they have mixed feelings about Italians and all this in northern Europe as well this is all from
Esau so it’s just a it is a laugh body but but that’s what they do and then they’ll apply specifically prophecies in the book of Obadiah because if you read the prophets the prophets of God don’t often just tell the future they most frequently tell Israel to come back to
The Covenant and tell her what’s going to happen if she doesn’t basically right so that’s the that’s the kind of the main thing they do when you read the prophets but they don’t just have oracles against Israel they also have oracles against foreign Nations now not all the oracles about the foreign
Nations are always against the foreign Nations ironically enough some of them are actually Pro say hey this could happen this could happen sometimes you’ll see like in Isaiah 19 Assyria and Egypt’s future spoken of as being described as being part of the people of God it’s right there in Isaiah 19
There’s other passages like that or saying Cyrus you’re going to conquer you know you’re going to be my hand you’re going to do this you’re going to be anointed for this task Cyrus you see that kind of stuff as well well he’s a gentile so Within These oracles they
Take all the oracles against Edom and act like it’s talking about white folks so they say look Obadiah talks about the eagle and it talks about Esau dwelling high up in the mountains and up high that is when the white man builds sky scrapers and goes to the moon and
Says the eagle has landed and has the eagle on his coins it’s all prophetic they say stuff like this and you’re like yeah lots of Nations have used the eagle and the cliffs and CS of the rock is talking about the living high up in Petra where they had these
Headquarters way up there not skyscrapers well it’s just that they’ve always liked to live high like that so yeah back then but now too in the skyscrapers skyscrapers are not a white thing I mean that’s the thing and you know what that’s what you have to do
When you re when when when there’s something that’s not the truth you you have to reach so much to try to make it appear valid which is what seamlessly go on here you know when it comes to not only Hebrew Israelites but a lot of other you know false religions and stuff
Like that and so it’s the it’s the is it like can say it’s ludicrous when you fit everything together and how it looks it’s like okay well this can’t be that especially when you and and that’s what we do with a lot of false doctrines new age theologies you know humanism that we
Try to read into the scripture it’s like okay you got to take something here and put it there and replace it you got to mutate here but keep that the same and by the time you look at it it’s not the gospel anymore it’s a book of broken
Facts and then some lies that you want to try to put together to support your point and so thank you so much also thanks Chris White and for y’all comments Chris White says I have a friend who was strong in the faith but is now deceived by their false Doctrine
Once he got connected to that cult he cut all eyes with me and that’s one of the things too that you know you can look for it’s just like you know birds of a feather flock together and if you believe differently you’re not going to be able to you know belong together as
Much you know what I’m saying and so but thank you so much for sharing that Chris White and even for watching uh maxw thank you so much it’s crazy you prophetic because I was going to bring this up so you know let’s talk about
This uh book he says uh Titus 3 and N of course but avoid foolish questions and genealogies and contentions and strivings about the law for they are unprofitable and vain this is actually one of my this is one of a couple of scriptures that I go to and engaging
When I have engaged with them but then when I stopped engaging with them and just wanted to equip the Saints I said well listen look at this is something here that the Bible actually you know talks about uh not only that it goes a step further and I’ll bring this up on
The screen real quick so we could actually look at this because we need to pay attention to stuff this scripture now we’re going to talk about when we turn the corner here how they don’t ascribe to all of what we would call the scriptures you know they take portions
Of it out and they definitely have a problem with Paul we’re going to talk about the reason why here in a second but let’s bring this up here in a moment so we can uh show you all because I not only wanted to bring up Titus 3 and nine
But I wanted to go as far as 11 so let me bring this up on the screen so that you all can see that and look at what it says here it says uh in the Amplified version kind of brings it out a little bit it says but avoid foolish and
Ill-informed and stupid controvers controversies and genealogies and dissensions and quarrels about what the law which that’s what they come to you with they come to you with are you following the law do we need to follow the law and that’s why they don’t like Paul so much they claim we worship Paul
And Paul was an enemy of God which is none of that is true but look at what it says for they are unprofitable and useless the thing that we see a lot of Hebrew Israelites put pride and stick their chest out on the Bible would call it unprofitable and useless after a first
And second warning reject a device of man one who what promotes heresy vocab just pointed out one of the reasons why this can be declared heresy but it says who promote heresy and cause dissension Dan him from your fellowship so I know a lot of us aren’t that strong nowadays we
Think that church should be inviting to everybody but it says ban them from The Fellowship of the faith because it’s going to act like a cancer and one of the things that I’ve said before we need to understand when the Bible talks about Le and it talks about Le in a couple
Different instances in Scripture A lot of times we take that to mean well a little bit of wrong information in the midst of right information but when you study that in one light scripture talks about Le is declared a wrong Association in the midst of right
Association can act like a cancer and so this just like what it’s saying here it says void this type of person from your fellowship you remember what Paul did well Paul did when when the guy got caught you know what I’m saying um messing with his his father’s woman he
Says listen ban him from the fellowship and don’t even be seen eating with him why is it because we don’t love him no actually that guy ended up bring bought back into the fold the next book over but what we do need to understand is the
Fact fact that when we love the body of Christ you need to separate these type of people from the fellowship just like and it’s the same reason why you would separate a disruptive student from the classroom and will send him to ISS because spiritually they can be
Disrupted and so this is why we do that but look at what the Bible says it says it says uh from the fellowship and have nothing more to do with him well aware that such a person is twisted and is sinning and is convicted and self- condemned and is GRA if by causing
Confusion amongst Believers thank you so much for that uh maxw sh that I just wanted to bring that up you know so much also um thank you so much uh Michael Lewis says vocab Malone is a major Force highly recommend his book street level apologetics so just At The Mention Of
That vocab could you just just briefly talk about I guess why what is that behind the information why did you write street level apologetics and why is it important for the viewers to have that in their Library yeah street level apologetics is a hopefully helpful uh manual and user guide to inspire and
Educate and equip people to do uh evangelism and have apologetic encounters especially in the context of city life and the kind of conversations we’re talking about and so some of the chapters are a brief overview of some of the groups you might deal with very brief sketch uh and I had co-authors as
Well Adam Coleman MJ Jackson da Newman that helped with that and then um some stories and examples some good some bad uh from you know personal encounters woven in with uh scriptures that are relevant so there’s sections that are uh expository where there’s ex of Jesus regarding things like Colossians 456 and
Other passages that are relevant to these discussions and so it’s just uh something that hopefully you read and you say okay I think I I could do this so it’s it’s it’s uh gearing you to have Evangelistic conversations but with an apologetic bent in the city context and
Then my other book is about Hebrew Israelites it’s called Barack Obama versus the black Hebrews light it’s not about politics or anything like that it’s just the title you have to read it to see why but basically it’s a Hebrews light 101 type book that’s basically
What it is this is very easy to read that’s my first book and I’m working on a new one called Who’s Who of Hebrew israelism hopefully get that out within 11 months is the plan we’ll see so yeah wow thank you so much for bringing it up Mike
Lewis yes for those you all just tuning in listen we have this is Major tonight we have vocab Malone in the virtual building he is a guy that specialized he travels the country engaging and interacting with Hebrew israelism and Hebrew Israelites so this is the guy to
Talk to go and check out his books go and check out his his his YouTube page and things of that nature and thank y’all so much again your comments and your questions are welcome listen we we got a couple of minutes before for is over here at the top of the hour so
During this 20 minute stretch if you all have something that you wanted to ask uh Mr balone you want to pick his brain while he’s here uh ask him the question so if it’s definitely senseful one we’ll see if we can bring it up okay thank
Y’all so much uh maxw says they are basically crazy I really don’t take them seriously but they re but they are really harmful to be ignorant black young men who are looking for a place to belong and then someone else says thank you so much um har Newell Crawford says
Why are they so angry and of course now you know to be fair you don’t want to treat anybody the way you don’t want to be treated so you don’t want to Broad you don’t want to you know paint or stroke a broad brush because I have now
Here’s the thing most of the time my interactions with them and I’ve had hours of experience with them they have come to some of my meetings uh over a course of months before we realized and it was a blessing because I wasn’t prepared to handle them you know know
Years ago I’m thankful that that happened a couple years ago because I didn’t even I just saw people dressed in funny on the street corner and I didn’t really have any interaction and engagement with them until a couple different groups I didn’t even realize you know vocab that was a it’s a couple
Different groups of of Hebrew israelism you know about 250 wow I didn’t realize yeah there a lot a lot a new one every day a new one no no I mean they split they split like amoebas no joke you know because what they have a fight about some minor issue and some guy
Watches his YouTube video thinks he’s a teacher literally so people talk about DIY churches this is like a true DIY religion you know everyone just kind of starts whatever so yeah is at least 250 different factions wow wow and so Mike Lewis says I know that each Camp is different North
Carolina has a Sakari presence here what should we know about their theology to have an effective w Sakari Sakari Sakari well uh there’s a lot to say about them on the good side they have certain skills they’re socially media Savvy uh they usually um are somewhat
Sharp dressers you know they know how to put outfits together I’m not trying to be funny I’m trying to think of the good things about them um they uh tend to be the most willing to to engage uh out of any group but the thing is they
Always almost always uh want to skewer the Meetup of how how happens and then spin it um usually so there’s I guess some good things about them but honestly uh Sakari is highly problematic I think the most troubling thing about Sakari is the idea that you can basically break all the
Commandments if it’s against a gentile supposedly and not all groups hold to that idea Sakari does and they do so openly and explicitly so love your neighbor lying stealing all of that stuff is irrelevant if the person’s not deemed to be an Israelite under official Sakari Doctrine now they’ll say we don’t
Do everything because you know that’s not expedient you don’t want to end up in trouble stuff like that but as far as what’s moral you’re allowed to do whatever as long as it’s not an Israelite and so that makes dealing with him especially problematic because there
Really a lack of any kind of expectation of Honor or integrity and I think people should really understand that really understand that because Sakari has mastered the art of manipulating Christians regardless of what they say or believe they’ll come and be like hey just we would we just want to have a
Peaceful dialogue with your brother for the edic edification of the people oh this guy seems like he’s different than the other guy she’s like yeah I know how things are you know ours will be a little different you know okay and then you go into their
Room and you actually look at the live chat and then you see what the video is titled and then you see them turning down your volume now does this happen in every encounter no but do stuff like this happen quite frequently in Sakari encounters yes you’ll see all this and
You say oh this isn’t fair this isn’t right and then they’ll do Post commentary on the dialogue even if it was relatively peaceful and all the post commentary is this person is this slur or that slur or this slur or that slur and you’re like oh okay and you got to
Understand that uh Sakari has named themselves after Jewish assassins first century assassins who would carry blades into large crowds and then pull it out of their robe shank a Roman put it back and Escape into the crowd they were trying to have the Revolution come by violent means and Sakari has knowingly and
Willingly taken upon this name for themselves of being named after essentially terrorists in the first century now I’m not saying they are terrorist by the way if you mean terrorists in the strictest sense you know I’m not saying they are I’m just saying that’s who they’re modeling their
Group after basically so there’s some problems there and uh it’s a lot of deception so you meet them and you don’t know that they discount a lot of Paul or that they hold Paul makes errors you don’t know that right what are they going to do against you Christian
They’ll use any passage against Paul that they think will go against you on you even though they hold Paul makes mistakes and not everything he said in the scripture is right but they’ll use Paul against you when you don’t know that and you’ll like oh so this guy must
Hold at least Pauline Epistles to be Authority then over time you realize oh this guy thinks Paul was an error when he said circum decision availeth nothing yes stuff like that true and not only that Mark they think Mark made mistakes you just go down the list and you
Say they just got their everybody made mistakes who don’t agree with again their vantage point of what they’re trying to bring here’s the thing brother I like it when groups do that and I’ll tell you why now it makes it difficult especially when they’re deceptive and you don’t know they have their own
Cannon but here’s why I like it because uh the way I take it is oh thank you very much what you’re telling me is your Doctrine doesn’t agree with the Bible otherwise you wouldn’t have to do that you don’t need to cut up the cannon if the Canon if you’re in agreement with
The cannon that’s so good amen so I I would say thank you sir you know thank so like you’ll go to Hebrews Hebrews isn’t is so destructive to Hebrew isalis I don’t think Christians don’t realize what an atomic bomb Hebrews is because Hebrew HEBs is a difficult book so I’m
Not banging on Christians I’m not acting like I’m the master of Hebrews Hebrews is a challenging book especially the way it utilizes the Old Testament sections for its argumentation Christians should recognize it’s a challenging book but once you are able to wield some of the argumentation of Hebrews biblically
Speaking now you’ll see it’s an atomic bomb it just takes a while to get there especially in relationship to this idea of holding on to the old Covenant Hebrews just destroys that that’s and you you go and you’re like clearly we’re in a New Covenant and clearly it’s
Better and clearly Christ is better than all these things before him high priest and all that now why is that problematic for these Hebrew Israelites who recognize that because they try to hold that we’re basically still in the old Covenant the New Covenant hasn’t come yet we’re in some kind of middle period
And the New Covenant is not yet here and that you still do need priests a lot of these guys who lead these camps call themselves high priest Prest or chief priest or something or rather like that Hebrew says we don’t need that and yet these guys are doing it just like like
Roman Catholic you know priest without a need for priests and so when you go to Hebrews with Sakari they’ll say hey hey hey hey real quick before you go there uh tell me who wrote Hebrews most Christians don’t know what’s going on so like well we’re not entirely sure it’s
It’s officially Anonymous and and they’ll just and maybe some people say Paul ah so I’m not going to use any book that we don’t even know who wrote it when we have the red letters right here of Jesus so you know we can’t use that
So oh okay uh let’s just stop let’s just go to the Old Testament real quick if we’re gonna use that argumentation there’s lots of Old Testament books that are strictly speaking Anonymous we do not officially know who wrote them if we’re going to use that argumentation through and
Through then there’s going to be all kinds of stuff we’re going to be kicking out of the cannon now Jewish tradition will say this guy wrote Kings or this guy wrote Chronicles or this guy wrote Esther but it is not official or certain you know what I mean and so this is the
Kind of thing you have specifically with Sakari they’re they’re most likely to to do some of the tricks I’m telling you I’m not saying don’t interact with them I’m just saying be aware you’re dealing with probably the most crafty deceptive dishonest Hebrew isite group
Out of all of them wow thank you for the information real quick another question to you vocab is there a difference between them and someone who says they are Hebrew you know we um you know so is there a difference between someone who just that’s black that says they’re
Hebrew and this seems to be a good question only because um I’ve experienced some and it seems like they hold they and I know someone who says they’re Hebrew and they are they don’t hold they if you ask them they say they’re not Hebrew Israelite uh but they
Hold fast to a lot of the similarities and and things the similar beliefs some stuff like that too like he said now he did say that there’s like 250 different group types of them but uh that was a question that he as least thank you so much well all Hebrew Israelites so
Including Sakari whoever else they all say they’re Hebrews they usually don’t say we are the Hebrew isit sometimes they’ll say that but they think they’re the Hebrews they think they’re the Israelites and they actually even think they’re the real Jews they just don’t use that term as much because uh because
They think people get confused type of thing whatever whatever yeah yeah iic loves to show up to HBCU and homecoming events and stuff like that out there that we just saw them at uh uh we was out there at an’s homecoming this past home and they was out there with going
Through the crowd with their loud speakers which unfortunately I mean they are real serious about their belief and faith and and one thing let me interject this because I’m seeing that there’s a trend of church people and and I want to tell Christians or even baby in the face
Don’t be lured by how someone else don’t be lur by devotion because sometimes we see that hey when you look at Christianity it seems to be all over the place uh they don’t seem to keep an uphold of anything or be able to agree on or everything but then you see this
Other religion over here who you have a narrow experience with and it seems like man well at least they’re so devoted and they seem so much more serious about their faith and at times it does appear that way you know people are seem to be more serious about their evangelism than
We do ours and I get it but understand this like I said do you know God enough to understand his voice even if you didn’t see him but you understand his character because you spend so much time with him you spend so much time in the word you spent so much
Time with Elders in the faith and different things of that nature so don’t be tricked by devotion or by someone’s discipline to their faith will make you look at yours and be like well our people aren’t as disciplined as they maybe they do have the right thing because we’re seeing that even with
Catholicism what we’ll be discussing on critical dialogue this coming Thursday so just beware of that here’s someone actually Sabrina has a question thank you so much she says so where is their final destination after death well this one is going to be really quick because them like anybody else who if they die
And take their last breath before they receive Jesus Christ and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit according to Romans chapter 8 they will have they will spend eternity away away from God they will be punished eternally that’s is Christianity 101 so if we can determine that they’re not spiritual family we
Know as as we know the world as they try to make us seem like we’re agry and we are wrong but no we’re just truthful Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh to the father except through me you know of course uh
We got things like John chapter 3:3 except the man be born again shall he see the kingdom of God there’s a lot of things throughout scripture that lets us know anybody who is not a Christ follower or disciple or have Holy Spirit by the time they take their final breath
Their Eternal resting place is eternal fire and brimstone so thank you so much for that question have anything you want to add before we go to the other comments yeah you know Paul said if somebody preaches another gospel let them be ACC cursed and you know that’s
True so any of the groups or people who are preaching or teaching or believing in other gospel then it is anathema I do uh for sure think there’s legitimate children of of God uh So theologically speaking here that are caught up in some of this but I in general would think
That they’re either on their way in or on their way out meaning it’s a new Christian who got caught up in the wrong thing they’re on their way in or they’re on their way out they realize they’re trapped in false Doctrine and they’re on their way out that’s uh usually
What I think would be going on there because these guys and gals by and large do not show the fruit of the spirit they do not show the signs of it’s funny it is funny when you see I guess the temperament like so we have a couple
Things vocab to go on when we see that it seems like the first thing that they offer you isn’t the first thing that the Christian should offer you yeah show me one place in Acts where any disciple any evangelist any apostle was like hey who’s your father and
Where’s your fringes at nobody nobody says it they’re like uh you heard of The Gospel have you believed on the Lord Jesus you know that this is kind of stuff you see with the Philippian Jailer with the with philli in the Ethiopian and you you see these kinds of things
Right what must we do repent believe be saved get baptized you don’t see the gospel of Hebrew have uh let’s deal with this for a moment uh would be interesting if we if there had been an Israelite on the show we did I guess Madison you might be just
Tuning in but we talked about this towards the beginning of the program uh I would like to have seen them be able to defend themselves this reminds me of how rednecks used to do blacks during the 40s and the 50s well let me let me respond to that by saying first of all
When we there ain’t any whether it’s Hebrew Israelites whatever it is that you believe nobody during the times of their equipping has a rule where they have to bring everybody in on the outside and let them defend themselves against your faith first of all that doesn’t even make any sense I know we
Get um I know we get I don’t know what we do we feel that we have a right and again if you have a heart towards something I get it if you’re not one of us but you come to one of our meetings just like the Bible says if someone
Comes into your meeting don’t cater don’t cater to them you know what I’m saying if they if they come they come but it is your meeting this is a Christian show it’s a Chris Christian platform I invited a Christian own to talk about the deception of of one of
Many things that are not like us therefore we do not owe them the right to come on and defend themselves if we can already determine that foundationally they are different than us we are different than them they are not family so we’re talking to our family just in a public form so until
You could say and anybody else could say that every single time that we had equ process for our system of belief we wanted to bring somebody in who believe different from us to defend themselves so that we could really know there is not scriptural representation of first
Of all that type of method I don’t see recall what Jesus did it or even Paul instructed on doing it you know what I’m saying we just have to be understanding that this is who we are and this is what we believe they believe different so therefore they’re not us so we’re
Talking to people who are like us to equip against them this is why we wouldn’t have them on the show to defend their heresy because it is that regardless of how other people feel and and and the thing about it is is in the end we’ll all understand that there was
Only one truth and that was through the person of Jesus Christ but thank you so much for you know sharing that comment and again we welcome your comments and your questions on uh thank you so much also Mike real quick about J Madison DS
J Madison DS you know I I wanted to go to J Madison Down’s uh Facebook page real quick just to see what’s on there CU I had a feeling this is something you find on J Madison D’s uh Facebook page take a yeah just take a look here you
Got Jay Madison DS has got a a Jewish person here holding the signs this say we are not the Jews the Bible speaks of Revelation 29 Southern Kingdom this is on J Madison down so it sounds like you have already bought into the false Gospel of Hebrew israelism which is all
About we’re the people they’re not the people uh so to speak and so that’s perhaps why you want it because you want to let the false gospel have a place but the thing is I’ve done tons of debates with these guys and I even go out on the
Corner and they don’t always want to talk to me and they don’t always want to come on when invited and also they have lots of shows about Christianity where they just lie about Christianity they don’t invite a Christian on all the time in fact hardly any of the time so J
Madison DS I say keep that saying fire and energy be sure to show up to the next iuic live stream that you watch and tell them hey you need to have a Christian representative on here because otherwise that’d be bigoted you know yeah thank you so much for because
That I mean that’s the truth it’s just like it’s it’s it’s only good you know it’s not a good principle when you are not up to replicating what you’re trying to promote it just seems like well there’s a dissonance here or there’s a disagreement here and I just want what
I’m already embracing to be positively represented whether it is just like them or kind of similar or whatever the case may be so thank you so much because I definitely you know agree with those sentiments that you know we there’s no need to really you know PA for that and
Again we just read that uh first in Titus Chapter 311 I just want to remind everybody you remember when we we just read and B it look look at what scripture says that we call the word of God it says um it says to he who promotes
Heresy it says ban him from your fellowship and have nothing to do with him or like why it’s just like you know why continue to why cast your pearls upon swine if you will or different things like that and so again we have to understand when to apply Bible how to
Apply Bible and just not understand you know biblical knowledge but here again thank y’all so much for your comments Sabrina says yes that is what uh I meant thank you so much for saying that uh Mike says how prevalent is polygamy in Hebrew Israelites practice is that a
Thing yeah definitely is they like to call it polygyny which means one man with multiple women just so you don’t think that it’s an option for the woman to have multiple partners but it’s kind of a difference without a distinction because polygyny is a form of polygamy so they practice
Polygamy uh not all Hebrew isites promote polygamy so iuic would say you’ve got to be monogamous This Side of Heaven but iuic teaches a lot of people don’t know this according to certain p m in the Old Testament that in the Kingdom then there will be polygamy but
They don’t think that prior to that that should be happening because they say hey we’re not we’re not in control we’re in captivity so we don’t do polygamy when we’re not in control but Sakari yes they teach polygamy iuic doesn’t isupk doeses GMS does some of the groups even teach
That sex is marriage so every there’s not even basically such a thing as fornication unless it’s someone who’s already married and then some of the other groups that believe in polygamy or some of the even so-called moderate groups for example Divine Prospect very intelligent guy um claims to have a
Doctrate um very easy to talk to he promotes polygamy and he’s not a radical by any stretch of the imagination uh Charles da who’s more really of a Pentecostal than a Hebrew Israelite although he is certainly a Hebrew isite got a congregation with white and black folks Because he believes we can all
Come on in and do this thing uh he’s polygamous he’s got three wives and accusations I don’t know because I’m not there in the in the Tennessee with him but some members say he he jacked a guy’s wife I don’t know if that’s true he says it’s not true he
Says it’s slander but just so you know there’s controversy about some of that so A number of the guys you know got more than one of course they don’t have paper right you know because in America at least you can’t have three marriage certificates at least not if you got the
Same identity and it’s understood that’s what’s happening him maybe one of these GS might have paper but the rest when I say paper I hope I’m saying a marriage certificate right that’s what I’m saying there uh so a lot of them do and so that’s why I would ask you to say okay
If you talk to HEB isite they say they don’t believe in polygamy maybe say this do you believe in polygyny polygyny right you got some sometimes these guys get slick they like no I don’t believe in polygamy do you believe in PG who yeah and if they say no to that one then
Say Do you believe polygyny in the Kingdom of God in the future that’s the way to really know because they may say they don’t believe in it now and so they may believe it later though so not all but a lot believe and some will even say Hey you
Know uh that’s cool if my brothers want to do that but I don’t want to do that almost like it’s a personal choice you know gota let’s answer this one there was a clearup in the question that I guess it was rephrased so they said I
Think sabr Jones meant to ask what do they believe about uh life after death and how do they say you should be saved for most Hebrew Israelites saved doesn’t usually mean what we would even think it to be mean because we’re we’re thinking about sins and Redemption usually if we’re understanding through
The biblical lens here we need to be uh forgiven Justified put in right standing with God because we’re great Sinners usually that’s not how they’re looking at it for Israelite they essentially believe what needs to happen is like a rededication to the Covenant speci specifically to the old Covenant and
Then saved basically just means that you have your rightful place in the Kingdom in some way and the kingdom really is all about rulership uh the greater or lesser degrees um only maybe one or two groups that I know of believe in hell if if you understand hell in some way to be
Eternal conscious torment or something like that uh I think icjc teaches some kind of Doctrine about hell and maybe dowel does because I’ve heard Charles da straightway Truth Ministries mention it but I’m unclear about how he defines hell the other ones laugh they’ll say well this is our hell and the white
Man’s Heaven which by the way that’s an old Nation of Islam line that that thing is in fact leis farakhan used to sing and on his old Jazz kind of singing records he literally has a song that’s about this is you know the white man’s Heaven and the black man’s hell and so
Really their afterlife is essentially the tables turned we’re in charge now there on the bottom and so the idea of Heaven or Hell is not even really what they’re looking at in any meaningful way most of them don’t hold to a doct of hell they think that’s one of the false
Doctrines of Christianity so I try to flip this against them too because they accuse us of being soft and look I can understand if you watch um you know maybe this will get me in trouble I’m just telling you my perspective uh women preachers Leading Men and the men appear
To be weak and this is not just in certain sections of of Christianity this is actually across the board people see it in their own section but this is actually happening all over Christianity in America especially primarily in in in other context but uh they see that and
They and they see kind of uh you know Mike Todd pouring syrup on a Bible and all this stuff and they’re kind of like okay you know this is weak this is whack but I said Okay okay so you say we’re weak uh let’s look at what the Bible
Actually teaches what we hold to as Christians let’s look at the doctrine that we’re teaching versus what you’re teaching and you know they have this idea of they’re in rulership and there’s no Heaven people either get annihilated or they’re kind of subservient for all eternity I say what we believe is much
More hardcore than that because we’re believing that you will be in torment judged by God experiencing his wrath for eternity for being a sinner against God because of the nature of the crimes that are committed that’s way more hardcore than your Doctrine if we’re gonna if
That’s what we’re trying to do and uh you know I I just try to show like we’re not we’re not afraid of because they think we don’t understand God’s Wrath a lot of times you know and maybe some Christian churches don’t teach it whatever but official Christian doctrine
Understands and has been talking about this for 2,000 years and then they come along and deny hell so it’s another thing that they don’t like and it’s another reason why they’re wrong and that’s and and just to also be clear I I believe that it’s more than just not
Only your perspective but I and I share the same sentiments when you talk about the with the women leadership and when you see the Mike Todds of the world do what they do I believe that that’s also truth I believe that we can look at scripture and say you know what I’m
Saying uh that ain’t it you know and again so I I definitely agree not only with you just to pick about I agree with why some people would look at what is represented and called Christianity a lot of mainstream Christianity be like man that’s weak because for one that’s
In ER is in Era and we don’t even ascribe to that those who Sound Don’t ascribe to that you know I’m saying kind of behavior or even the type of things going on in church as well and not only that it’s it’s easily proven in scripture and you know forbidden I think
Someone else had let me see vocab something for you um ala says speaking of white and black I’ve heard arguments from the Hebrew Israelites emphasis on black people that kind of seems to be a thing oh here’s the here’s what uh dammond says why isn’t it so important
For Hebrew Israelites to deny the Virgin birth to that you say what sir a majority I think deny the Virgin birth but not all Hebrews lights deny the Virgin birth so that that is one thing to take into consideration however if you look at a lot of debates on the
Virgin birth you’ll find Hebrew Israelites saying no it didn’t happen I did one with Captain Tarak I thought it was a great debate actually check out that one that one was on uh was that one on Setta or was that one on Garfield that was on Garfield Reeds Channel and
Uh I did I debated this this this point with him there’s some good people out there that do good work on this question likey a guy named minister meech so my uh theory about it is that since they make bloodline so important and essential they can’t have Jesus not
Having uh Joseph’s DNA basically they can’t have the DNA being supplied by Mary in essence because you know Joseph is not touching Mary so he he’s not part of the process yes he is the father by the way the Bible never calls him anything else but the father but he’s
Not a biological father there’s more ways to be he’s he’s a father in every meaningful important sense specifically legally here uh it’s not like there’s some other guy that it is proper to call him the father but he’s not a biological father and that’s because the Virgin
Conception now some some of these guys still say the Immaculate Conception Protestants don’t hold to the Immaculate Conception the Immaculate Conception is a Doctrine about Mary supposedly essentially being sinless and they use a proof text where the angel says hey Mary Mother full of grace that type of that
And that’s why they get the you that’s not literally what it says but that’s where they get there Hail Mary’s from is from when the angel addresses her they try to go with that well I do believe it’s because of the emphasis on bloodline for them I think I
Think that’s why that’s I think that’s really why but really again what it shows is they’re willing to jettison clear and obvious and explicit teaching of scripture uh to suit their own needs and let me just show you guys when you watch this debate for example on the
Virgin conception first of all it is an important Doctrine yes it’s not all over the Bible but it’s in two places but it’s in more places than that but it’s just made especially explicit in Matthew and Luke when you read Matthew’s genealogy and people were like genealogies just read those start in the
Beginning of Matthew’s genealogy and then go through every line and you’ll notice a pattern whatever translation you’re reading you’ll see a pattern in which every relationship is described as the same this person begat this person or this person fathered this person some word like that for every see I think
It’s like 40 times and then you get to Jesus when it talks about his parents and Matthew breaks the pattern and he says Joseph whom was the husband of Mary it doesn’t say he fathered him or B birth it literally Matthew goes out of his way to avoid the
Whole pattern he’s established the whole time it’s like if you have a a drummer and they have perfect syncopation and they’re hitting every beat the same the whole song and it’s just like you you already know what’s coming and all of a sudden they throw it off and go offbeat
For something they hit the offbeat and like wait what you take notice you should be ause you hear it you’re aware that’s exactly what Matthew does he goes you’re like what what’s happening all right and you see oh he not only does he have an account of of of the
Angel and the whole discussion and saying it’s the Fulfillment of Isaiah 14 not only does he have all that in the genealogy he makes it unmistakable that this is not the biological uh child of Joseph you just got to read the gey you’ll see the way he breaks the pattern
You say oh he he he goes out of his way to avoid doing what he did with everybody else why because Jesus’s birth was different than everybody else it was not the same and you know sometimes It’s tricky because you’ll be like they’ll say well God couldn’t do that whatever you know
There’s no man involved and you’ll say um well did Adam have a father did he have a human father and uh the problem is some of these guys believe that Adam was actually the first man too so the are because it’s a good analogy to show that God does this he creates without
Father and mother in the case of for example Adam uh but some of these guys like Tarak they don’t even believe that Adam was the first man and so then you can’t even make the analogy so you’re like the problems Run Deep but here’s the thing Christians are
Basically with these guys and these gals were basically in a constant state of being on our heels because we usually don’t know what they believe they tend to focus on more obscure passages and lesser known issues in scripture and historical claims and scientific claims if they get into that that most of us
Don’t know how to check out right away so we’re almost always playing catchup so that’s why I say um there’s a real need for proactive training in this type of stuff and the cool thing is along the way you’ll learn your Old Testament better you’ll learn all kinds of very
Important things it’s not just for the sake of defe in a Hebrew Israelite it’s stuff we could should basically uh want to know anyway and so you’ll um you’ll see when a Christian knows Hebrew zelite Doctrine and is able to express the Hebrew lights never do as well they have
To cheat they have to lie about the person they have to make wild accusations about the person they have to mock the person they have to throw the person off the panel they have to shout at the P they have to use something else when the Christian
Actually is able to to to demonstrate some of the flaws and because Hebrews like knows that that this isn’t working on this guy they know this isn’t working on this guy so they resort to something else or they’ll try to get you upset so if they see you’re doing all they will
Go out of their way they’ll talk about your wife they’ll talk about your children they’ll talk about your physical looks they’ll talk about your pastor they will talk about anything to manipulate you into losing your temper because you’ve got them happens every time yeah and you know and real quick
Let me interject because I see on the sideline there some engagement actually um Sister Shay you you said that the host already has my list of questions which I know that he and they will not ask or answer well uh obviously you came in late because vocab got a list of
Questions uh he got asked some questions and those questions in the beginning that we asked him on the show uh Sister Shay literally was copied and paste from the questions that you asked so just want to let you know go back and watch the beginning because obviously you came
In late but that my sister is totally untrue because that shows you that we’re not here to shy away from anything oh we so the question the question about the and all that kind of stuff that was literally uh what she asked earlier
And so I want to let you and not only that the viewers know that we’re not here hiding to shine away from anything but what we are not here to do is to paint what we know is heresy by what we believe in a positive light this is why
We won’t ask you all what we believe now well my friend has this is what I would tell you if you want to know he looked is that somebody else so you done went to your page so sister sh has a picture of Nathaniel the leader of
UIC uh that she posted nine hour ago she she’s posting selfies of of of Nathaniel over here uh Sister Shay does does iuic will iuic answer my questions these guys that you think are so strong and so tough in the Bible that no one can handle them will they answer my
Questions Sister Shay I encourage you to go on YouTube and watch a video that I have uh it’s just put in the word umbrellas on my channel put in the word umbrellas on my channel and you’ll find videos where I go to iuic Camp Just Me by myself and they literally take out
Umbrellas and unfurl them at me and poke me and do this whenever I move my phone camera so I can’t get any footage and then if I move they literally four of them follow me around with open umbrellas poking and prodding me so I can’t get any footage or even see or
Talk to them this is what they do the minute I show up at their Camp I didn’t do nothing crazy I didn’t do and I was literally by myself with 13 dudes all who who are most of them are larger men than I am and they’re poking me with
Umbrellas like penguin from 66 Batman so I hear you but number one we answered some of your questions at the beginning number two iuic the group that you have on your page they won’t answer questions when I show up to meet them face to face
And I’m just a little old guy by myself holding a phone in one hand and a Bible in the other it’s on video so just watch it so that’s what I’m saying this is what I’m saying Hebrews lights do this they always want to play sort of like a
It’s like a victim thing you notice the other guy oh this is like what redneck do so he’s trying to associate you with white supremacist it’s it’s buzzword it’s it’s that’s and not only that but it’s the same thing that BLM does uh all all they everybody now wants to draw you
In emotionally first this is why we have to understand that humanism is the new found religion of the day it wants to draw you in with human with fleshly things so you can get your feelings all in the Uproar and this is understand this Satan plays the best victim check
It out look at sister shade’s profile she’s got a white girl on there and it says Esau the Vagabond was cursed with Leprosy the lack of melanin she’s got the white girl with the remember what I was talking about with the and Esau earlier yeah that’s
That which was the question that she asked so she’s got this white girl with red skin on there who’s like sunburn or something Esau the vegab bomb was cursed with Leprosy the lack of melon this is this is imagine being obsessed with stuff like this and thinking oh man so I
Mean it makes sense you know why you know her page is filled with iuic memes and everything else I know who this guy is this guy this iuic leader there was a female Christian apologist named nefer Nitti and uh she she passed she got cancer but when she was interacting with some iuic
Content they reviewed the video this guy right here and he immediately started talking about her weight and said that she looked like she hadn’t washed herself and so she must stink this is what the guy started talking about on video about a Christian apologist who was just criticizing their material this
Is someone you view as a hero this is someone you want to put on your page you think this is a man of God you think this is is someone who’s promoting truth and you’ve got him on there multiple times the same guy just go to my Tik Tok
Page and on it I talk about how iic says they’re not misogynistic and then I show all the horrible things they say about nefer Nitti just because nefer Nitti dared criticized them so you know notice how all these folks who come on here they’ll act like it’s very chameleon
Likee notice I’m up I’m upfront about who I am what I believe these F well this is not really and and they’re try to victimize like it’s being unfair but yet look how they operate this is why Hebrew light is exposed upon it it’s just gonna it’s going to fall apart because there’s
It’s built upon so many lies and that’s why they got to act all like crafty and koi when they come into chats and when they come into your churches can’t just be honest you know yeah and so I want through the last stretch of this as we
Bring this to the close I want us to close with this some biblical reasons because we do know they don’t you know they ascribe to Torah only a lot of them now I don’t you can correct me if I’m wrong because you definitely this is
Your area it’s not my Lane I just have experience with them and study enough to know why not the fool with them but um you know a lot of them like I said is a reason why they don’t like Paul because Paul in scriptures come against there’s
No way you can like Paul because Paul in Romans and and Colossians and a lot of other places uh can definitely just comes against the thing that they think makes you valid or how they see you valid which is uh the law so what I want
To do is I want to bring these things up and bab I want you to just what is your take on this and and then we we going to um you know head on to the home stretch here and bring this thing to the close
But first I want to bring up uh Paul you know because first thing they ask you a lot of times is hey you know I I remember I was in the park one time and and it was Saturday say hey man why you working on the Sabbath uh you know you
Sinning right now and this that and the other and then they talk about you know the one who used to come to my men’s bible studies and he was there for some months and he was one of the most peaceful ones that I’ve seen as far as
Being cordial but he got angry if there was any pork ordered or anything like that he just you know it kind of frustrated him and in a nice way he was frustrated I mean we spent hours with this guy to determine that oh you aren’t like us you aren’t family you know so
When I look at here’s one some of reasons why they don’t like Paul Romans chapter 14 vers uh 1- six I’m G bring it here up on the screen we’ll deal with this and uh then we’ll briefly uh just bring up Colossians 16-1 17 and uh this
Would lets you know that you have scripture even though the scripture that they don’t believe we believe in the 66 you know what I’m saying not saying that it’s you know if it is ain’t others out there we discussing the Canan tonight even though that’s important too
But for Christianity one onone we don’t throw out Paul’s letters so look at what he says in in Romans chapter 14 here it says him that is weak in faith receive ye but not to doubtful pretty much conversations and stuff like that for one believeth that he may eat all things
While another who is weak eateth only herbs let him not let him that eateth despise let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth for God hath received him who are you pretty much to judge another man’s
Servant to his own Master do he stand or fall yeah he shall be holding up and God is able to make him stand and look at it talks about not only the diet but also the the days one man esteemeth one day above another another esteemeth every
Day alike let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind he that regardeth the day regardeth it unto the Lord he that regardeth not the day to the Lord do he not regarded he that eateth eateth to the Lord he giveth God thanks and he that eateth not to the
Lord he eateth not and lastly uh uh Colossians chapter 2 vers 16- 17 and let y’all know this is the last one that we’ll bring up and um here give me one second we’ll bring it up here Colossians chapter 2 here is again let no man therefore judge you
This is the bible let no man judge you in meat or in drink or in respect to what a holy day or a new moon or get this the Sabbath days which are a shadow of the things to come now that doesn’t mean we throwing them my way that
Doesn’t mean we throw them out that just means that the standard of us holding them to make us in right relationship with God our Salvation whether we be saved or in right standard with God or not is not based on those things you see what I’m saying and so the thing about
That is is that you know what James you’re right what I said what I let me let me go back and retract I misspoke if I said I didn’t want to paint a picture that first of all you did get angry that would be the truth but you didn’t get as
Angry as your other counterparts and and and your pro and your brothers because you was very nice about it the first three times then when we got in the call you you let us understand how frustrated you were about that so I do want to make
Mention that if I misspoke in terms of painting a picture as if you went off the wall you didn’t do that but you did express your anger after the third time of us eating meat in front of you so that is that is the truth that’s the
Honest truth but with all that said vocab again man it’s been a privilege having you on on tonight thank you so much uh for that also um thank you so much for your time spent here tonight just on that last leg with everything that’s been said with the scriptures
Brought up you know we see Paul telling us don’t hold people accountable to this from the standpoint of thinking that they’re in right standing of God to me what what would you say to this uh vocab in response to what I’m about to say to me this seems like a false Doctrine for
One for one of the biggest reasons is because it seems to be a smack in Jesus Christ’s face because the very reason why he died and we needed his shared Blood on the cross we are now saying that in our own strength we could do without that sacrifice and in our own
Strength we can make ourselves good enough to that what do you say that in relation to the Hebrew Israelite Doctrine and what they believe yeah definitely is another gospel the one West variety like the gocc and the iuic group that the the gal had on her page
And the Sakari group they’re all part of the doctrine that’s under the banner of one West he brism they believe that if they think you are a descendant of Abraham Isaac and Jacob if you’re on their 12 tribes chart that was constructed in the 60s or so by ARA and
Edward Meredith bibbens they think that if you’re on that chart you will be in the Kingdom no matter what so there is no need for Jesus Christ in their system he’s literally redundant all you need is to be in the right lineage and you’re going to be in
The Kingdom now what they’ll say is well yeah but you’re going to get judge the nuclear missiles are going to rain down on you and you you won’t have much uh privilege in the Kingdom at first and they’ll say things like that okay well you’re I hear you but your Doctrine if
You’re a one Wester is that if you’re on the 12 tribes chart you will be in the Kingdom no matter what and I’ve talked to one group a guy that was a part of a group called fog and he said Judas a scariot is going
To be in the kingdom of God because he’s he’s an Israelite imagine a religion that teaches Judas of Scar is going to be next to Jesus the one he betrayed in the kingdom of God meanwhile Jesus himself says I know you got to do what you got
To do it’s been written about you it’s prophesied it’s going to happen but to that man you you know it’d be better if you were never born that’s what Jesus said about Judas he said it’d be better if you were never born now why would he
Say that if he’s going to be in the Kingdom so Sister Shay you say you believe in scripture do you believe Judas a scariot will be in the Kingdom because if you do you don’t believe in scripture because number one it shows he doesn’t it is absolutely
True a lot of times with these Hebrew Israelites they either lie about their Doctrine or I know their Doctrine better than they do because if you teach that every person who is an Israelite will be in the Kingdom at some point then that includes Judas scariot that includes Ahab that includes every Wicked
Israelite that ever lived because it’s not based upon uh God’s work it’s based upon the fact of your lineage that you you know your your lineage is is the thing so you know I know I know what these groups teach now the thing is she she on her page she had iuic and
GOC they don’t teach the same thing about that so iuic teaches only people on the 12 tribes chart can go into the Kingdom so supposedly Ephraim or Puerto Ricans supposedly Levi is the Haitian supposedly Benjamin or the West Indian folks supposedly Sim Simeon or the Dominicans it’s on the chart they have
Out there supposedly uh Manasses the Cubans notice by the way that even on the chart it’s like mainly Native American Hispanic indigenous people black folks are actually a minority on this 12 tribes chart you go and you look and you say okay those are the folks in
The Kingdom go GOC doesn’t do things the same way as iuic they both use the charts but number one GOC changed the chart they include naftali un they include naali they include the Islanders so like Polynesians and stuff they include new zealanders and Australians gocc has altered the 12
Tribes chart by the way showing that it’s not really of God if you’re allowed to just alter it it’s like they even know it’s not right gocc has a different 12 trib chart even though they got it from the same guy than iuic number one so Sister Shay explain how you have iuic
And G GOC teachers on your page that I saw when they don’t even hold the same 12 tribes chart number one number two iuic iuic says if you’re a black man and you’re married to a white woman and you come into our school you’ve got to divorce her she’s of another Nation
Peace they say that if you are let’s say a woman who’s married to a man who’s black on his mother’s side but Japanese on his father’s side you’ve got to divorce him because he’s not an Israelite because on his father’s side he’s Japanese no matter where he
Was raised no matter his main culture no matter none of that because he’s Japanese on his father’s side got to divorce him because he’s not one of us iic teaches that it’s a forced divorce though they basically push on you iuic would not allow anyone from from an so-called Other Nation into their
Assembly you can’t even be married to them GOC though another group she has on her page a competitor of iuic they teach not only can you marry these folks of other nations Arabs and Asians whichever ones they can actually come into gocc as lesser brothers and sisters and
Be grafted into Israel and indeed gocc has pictures of them where they have their Passover and there’s straight up white people sitting there they’re eating with them and other Hebrew Israelite groups like iuic mock them for the practice saying they’re soft they might as well just be Christians and not
Israelites so here’s what I’m saying Sister Shay how do you know what you teach you have two contradictory groups that you’re promoting on your own page it sounds like you’re confused about Hebrew Israelite Doctrine in the Bible not me and I guarantee she won’t refute anything I just said I understand I have
The mic she doesn’t but she won’t say she won’t be able to refute because the fact is everything I said said is a fact about these groups because I I I I study them I’m learning about them and if I get something wrong I’ll correct myself but I guarantee she
Won’t be to refute any of that because that’s a fact about what they teach I don’t even know if she knew all that so she’s promoting two contradictory versions of Hebrew eism even within the system so it just shows the level of confusion in this group my guess is she doesn’t
Attend either group because if she attended I I see they monitor social media activity and they don’t let you promote other groups so my guess is she’s what is uh essentially an online Israelite because if she was an iosc they would not allow her to be posting
Gocc stuff gocc I don’t know how hardcore they are against that but GOC uh is also not big fans of iuic so she probably is a is a keyboard isra like to be honest with you Sister Shay do you attend a local iuic or go Fellowship that you’re promoting on your page do
You let us know anyways you can see the level of deception with these groups you know yeah I mean it’s it’s it’s really I mean it’s just it’s enough there that we give you all um again to give you all at least some basic things because one of
The things that we share one of the things that I also um uh saw um man I can’t think of his name ahead of a brain fart but uh they were saying online which is totally true for the going back to the Saints because we we want to give
Our attention back to the Saints from the standpoint of to hope that you all have been equipped some way to be better go back and replay this to look at the information giv not all of that we’ve given you just some basic scriptures to go over that even when they try to pull
You out that think about it anytime somebody is telling you don’t believe that part of the Bible that sh automatically sends a red flag up that should automatically any time somebody’s trying to throw away you know Pauline letters or trying to say that Paul ain’t this and ain’t that you got to
Understand Paul was young and and this and try to you know discredit him because he says things that directly oppose their exercises and the first thing that they they try to make you quote unquote valid in their eyes red flags should go up and so because of
That just understand that look even if people come being smarter than you yes don’t get scared by the name Yeshua because that’s just simply honoring guess what the original name when it was spoken that’s it remember the tower Babel you know I’m saying and for people who say oh you know well if
You don’t say the name right this that and the other my God is good enough to be able to communicate with all dialects he never made it law for you to know all dialects even though the original one he only says if you know his son
So you don’t have to it doesn’t take a certain you know the thing about it is y’all don’t have to get scared when they say things like this or whatever the case may be it just just literally understand that look this is why we all need though because a lot of saints
Don’t have that diet of personal Bible study being led of the Holy Spirit as well as eligible Elders teaching and leading you into the things of God as well as fellowship with with like-minded Believers often so that we could bathe in this thing and like the Bible says it is through those
Things that like the Bible says what we need to do make our election sure they easily picking off some of us or a lot of church folk because you won’t really vested in the ways of Faith to begin with so you was easily picked off you
Know what I’m saying so but with all that said what I want to do is I want yall to give a virtual Round of Applause to vocab Malone because listen when you have someone like this that has personally I mean this you know his life work you know what I’m saying not only
He’s he’s well educated he’s well studied in this he’s not someone who you can look and say oh well you just don’t know he’s probably engaged with a whole lot more than the average people who are part of this have engaged as far as the plethora of different groups and
Different things like that and this is something he’s been doing for how long over SM how long V it’s going on as far as dealing with with Hebrew Israelites specifically it’s going on 10 years I’ve known of them longer but as far as focusing it’s going on 10
Years wow good good focus on that okay good well man I thank you for your dead and and thank you for your travels and just thank you for the attention that You’ given to it because of course during these times with that we definitely need it man so anything else
You want to say before we get off reminding people who got on late how they can find you how they can come in contact with you the books that they need to get from you just give a give that brief closing on how we can get in
Contact with you before we get off yeah I’m on Facebook and I live stream and uh drop videos uh when I’m not writing youtube.com VAB Malone I’m on other social media it’s all vocab Malone and Street apologist um the next program I’m working on right now is a live stream
Talking about the the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas and the reason why is I did a review of the book of Clarence and in the book of Clarence people were talking about all kinds of other things regarding that movie but I didn’t hear maybe someone did so I’m not saying no
One did but in the reviews I saw no one mentioned that they have Jesus quoting the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas and I said what okay I am he who exists from the undivided that’s Thomas that’s Gnostic so I’m going to do a program a little bit about the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas
And help people understand what’s in there and why you should not be quoting it is the words of Jesus and then I’ve got a video dropping tomorrow that’s not a live stream but an actual video upload 19 minutes long that debunks a popular Hebrew Israelite meme where they went to Farmville Virginia
And it’s actually kind of an interesting piece of History there’s this thing there called Israel Hill long story can’t get into it right now but basically it was one of the first times you had uh a small community of freed black folks there in Virginia and it was
Kind of an interesting thing it happened relatively early in American history a lot of people don’t know about it but these Hebrew Israelites try to use this reality that they lived on Israel Hill and therefore were sometimes referred to as Israelites they try to say look it’s
They’re real isites look they knew they were the Israelites and they try to go to this little known piece of History to try to say look there’s such and so they passed memes about it um around about it so I went to Farmville Virginia I actually went there physically did a
Video standing beside the sign showing is this something that still up tomorrow this is dropping tomorrow the reason I’m talking about it so long is you said what’s going on this video drops tomorrow I’m going to post the premiere pretty soon here but look for that video tomorrow that’s all about this this
Situation and I interact with some of their claims wow wow thank you so much vocab for your time tonight and again we have vocab Malone here you guys y’all be y’all just again virtual handclaps have been coming in they they’ve been thanking you vocab for your time and for
Your expertise in this area so and again I’m definitely appreciated and Chris White says bottom line Christians need to know the word know the word well enough that you cannot be easily deceived Amen to that I’m so glad I know the truth Amen to that and so uh
Absolutely so yeah with that y’all remember before we close like go to him he has a YouTube channel again go and check out uh like I said him and Pastor Mike Winger that was they did a very good also informative if you all want to continue that and find out other
Information about it they going depth and even hit on some other areas there like I said I didn’t even realize until after the invitation that he was one of the go-to guys uh because I seen him on some other people platform as well that have been invited them on so we’re just
Uh privileged to have them here you all remember this coming Tuesday we are talking about Christians and Catholicism something that even a lot of uh Protestants want to kind of maybe give a pillar to want to be nice at times but nobody really have a conversation or discussion around
Especially with someone who has been living in both worlds like few of us can claim so we’re going to have Dr Mike Shri on from Tennessee this Tuesday dealing with Christians and Catholicism you all tune in with that share that with your family friends and loved ones
And look y’all go back and not on to check the replay out check show this to your friends your family and your loved ones as well okay thank y’all so much again thank you so much vocab and hope this has been a blessing to you again watch the replay and until then remember
Around here we are married to the truth not yours not mine just the truth amen visit my website Andrew crawler jr.com you can get t-shirts like this you can also get my book and we just pray that you all would be blessed amen
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