Good day ladies and gentlemen this is an exciting podcast I’m very excited I’ve got two gentlemen here I’ve got uh Mr will Tucker Mr Doug hgan is you pronounce it correct correct okay good I was always saying Hagen Doug hgan these men uh have very interesting opinions very Catholic opinions very insightful
Not afraid to talk about things you’re not supposed to talk about we’re going to be discussing among other things things to do with the Elder Brethren the questions of the the Jewish question organized naturalism Freemasonry all this stuff that you like to talk about but we’re going to take a perspective as
We were discussing in sort of the green room before we came on we don’t need to I mean we can go into the conspiracies because that’s always fun but really we’re talking about something that is more profound than than sort of trying to dig into the specificities and the particularities
About this or that uh conspiracy claim many of them are true but nonetheless we’re going to get to the root of this so-called problem of organized naturalism masonry and even Judaism especially in light of the recent USCCB um uh statement that they’re going to be putting pamphlets for for not
Being an anti-semite at Good Friday which is just bananas it’s just absurd in any event before we get to that uh gentlemen why don’t you guys introduce yourself uh Doug why don’t you go first and give us a little bit of your background yes uh my name is Dr Douglas
Hogan and um I think Kennedy’s going to mention the two books that I have that pertain to the topic I live down here and teach down here in South Texas and I do uh have a Channel with Will Tucker called Dr deep State that’s right Dr deep state check that out it’s
A great Channel you guys have done some good interviews with a mutual friend over at vond radio and uh I’ll show your books in just a second here so make sure people know where to get those but first will why don’t you give us a little background about
Yourself hi I’m uh will Tucker a recent convert uh to Catholicism I’ve been Catholic for about two years now so please take that into into account um I’m a collaborator with Dr Alan here uh we worked on his new book in pursuit of the metaverse together and I’m um
Frequent guest on uh his channel and uh yeah um that’s about it for me I my background’s in art I should say so um I think that informs a little bit of what we discuss you know who also had a background in art and is an incredible esteemed and valuable and eth mile
Catholic author and apologist he was from England you guys know which one I’m talking about GK Chesterton yes I his degree his degree so I I just have a I have a degree in languages I speak Spanish French and Italian um I was not a practicing Catholic or really I mean I
Was baptized but I I was just nothing I was just an idiot really for most of my uh adolescent into my mid 20s and uh so I studied all these languages completely not from a um religious perspective just you know you know secular universities and so forth but then I found the faith
And all that kind of stuff and um I really thought about oh man should I do a master’s PhD you know it’s kind of cool to be called Dr Hall uh but then we started having a bunch of kids thanks be to God so I wasn’t really going to do
That but I looked into Chesterton because he’s my favorite and um and he had a degree in Fine Arts and I thought you know what I’m not going to go to back to school I’ll just re-educate myself uh through reading all the stuff that you read the Masters and PHD
Programs anyway so if it’s good enough for chest to just have a 4-year ba and something unrelated to the faith it’s good enough for me all right uh before we get into this ladies and gentlemen uh we’re going to just do a quick promo here I am going to Italy this fall with
Father Albert Calo a traditional Dominican a traditional Dominican who can find one well we did find one and it’s going to be an amazing once in A- lifetime opportunity no trip to Europe is inexpensive but as far as trips to Europe go this is very reasonably priced
It’s probably about $2 $3,000 less for what you get than if you were to go on your own so here’s a quick promo with all trouble in Rome it is easy to forget about one unshakable fact our church is the Roman Catholic church and Rome is the Eternal City what a
Perfect time to go in a pilgrimage to the Eternal City and the other Monumental sites of Catholic Heritage in beautiful Italy join father Albert cou and me this November as we tour through the shrines of Italy and the Amalfi Coast as we attend daily mass in the old
Wri in the footsteps of St Peter and St Francis click the link in the description to register for this once in a-lifetime pilgrimage to discover the heart of the Catholic faith in the heart of the old Roman Empire have either of you ever been to Italy before yes yeah it’s pretty
Beautiful now before we dive into the I’m going to pull up the information on the USCCB thing I forgot both of you are converts do you guys mind giving us a little background of your journey to the Catholic faith um whoever wants to start
Can go I I’ll do it first uh yes uh coming on two years here um if you go back three years I was a Protestant uh not very interested in the Catholic church at all um I wrote one book called seeing through the singularity this book here in pursuit of
The metaverse is the sequel and it’s uh highly Catholic and so the book itself and the two books together describe my transition uh will somehow found my first book and followed me I announced that I was being becoming Catholic on my channel and it sort of busted the
Channel in the floor but now I found Catholic people to come at come and fill the Gap and my perspective on the Deep State and the war on reality that we’re all facing is sort of front and center of what I do and I think that the
Solution to the times that we’re in is understanding the historical Catholic social order that’s excellent that’s excellent will what about you what’s your background to Rome yeah I I forgot to also mention I’m I’m a special needs father um my wife when she was pregnant with our our first
Child um she just spontaneously started felt compelled to start praying the rosary and she converted in 2018 and I attended a Nova sordo Mass with her for several years we had never even heard of the traditional Mass um until 2020 I felt compelled to converge I was in RCA
Whenever U the pandemic riled out uh went through a phase of disillusionment uh dropped out of the church entirely and then through Doug’s Channel um I started following along with him during during covid because he um nearly prophetically predicted all the terms by which um you know the co pandemic was uh
Was was staged and then uh whenever he converted it it uh sort of compelled me to to look back into it and I found a traditional mass in my area and so I was able to go through RCA remotely and here I at that’s excellent yeah you know you both uh
Have this timeline of coming into the church kind of through the whole Co stuff and it’s funny you know for the longest time like I was I don’t know I’m I’m not a perfect man but for some reason when this whole thing started and I’m here in Canada so things were rough
I know you guys are in the uh southern states where it was a little bit better I mean it wasn’t perfect but you know you had little less nonsense and I was here in trud doia you know living through this crap you know and uh right
Away and I was a school teacher I was teaching teaching the cathol cath so-called Catholic school system and right away and you said Doug uh war on reality okay and that’s what I realized was happening it was a war on reality it was you know I mean it was just it was
It was like living I don’t know in like idiocracy or something where it’s just guys what’s happening isn’t what they’re saying it and it’s not even hard to figure out it’s not like something a war somewhere and we’re only getting Snippets of it’s like no no like we are
Alive in this place and what they’re saying is happening isn’t happening if you walk out of your door you know uh we had we lost a child sadly uh you know we have six children now we had lost a child my wife had a late ter miscarriage in uh November of
2020 and we’re going to the hospital and obviously and you know for the for the operation and so forth and and uh it’s on like the red alert and whatever and like everything’s overwhelmed and I’m in there and the place was a bloody ghost town and the
Nurses like I have a doctor friend he’s living in the States now he’s a traditional catholic and he was telling me you know he was hip to what was going on from the beginning and he was pulling his hair out trying to uh to to navigate through
The whole thing and he’s like Kennedy I’ve basically learned Spanish on du lingo on my phone because I’m an ER doctor and nobody’s coming in because nobody’s sick you know anyway we could talk about that for a long time I just want to pull up your books here quick to
Make sure everyone knows where to get them I will put the links for this in the description box for this podcast if you’re listening on Spotify or iTunes and also on YouTube of course and I’m going to pull that up here this one here is in pursuit of the metaverse
Millennial dreams political religion and techno Utopia what a title that’s awesome and uh if I can just click on your author name I can probably bring up the other one here um there you go seeing through the singularity and uh as you said the first one is written as a non-catholic but
It’s not friends this isn’t like you know Prosperity he was a Prosperity Gospel Joel Olin Guy this is still deep philosophical stuff he’s got a great interest in in political philosophy so all right let’s um let’s talk about this USCCB thing uh so I’m just going to pull up quickly
Here an article from the pillar and for those of you who don’t know the USCCB I love this word pastoral oh my goodness uh giving us a pastoral note so here’s the meat of the matter the new requirement was announced last year in a memo from the heads of
The USCCB committee on Divine worship etc etc etc ecumenical of course interreligious why not uh notice of the memo was included in the committee on Divine worships January 2024 newsletter which noted that the conference has previously provided guidance on homilies and similar statement for the Good Friday passion in the 1990s and 2000s
The goal of the statement the newsletter said is to help ensure that the proclamation of the Lord’s passion is not misused to promote anti-jewish sentiment the note on anti semitism which is available in both English and Spanish reads the passion narratives are proclaimed and full so that they all see
Vividly the love of Christ for each person in light of this the crimes during The Passion of the Christ of Christ cannot be attributed in either preaching or catechesis indiscriminate indiscriminately to all Jews of that time nor to Jews today we’re going to talk about how that’s not really true in
Catholic tradition and we all have some insight on that the Jewish people should not be referred to as though rejected or cursed as this view followed from scripture as if this Fe fall from scripture the church ever keeps in mind that Jesus his mother Mary and the
Apostles were all Jewish as the church has always held etc etc etc so essentially what they’re doing is they’re being encouraged V and told that they’re going to be putting essentially pamphlets or notes or letters or posters whatever they’re going to do uh to make sure that everyone knows that Good
Friday is not be about being an anti-semite who wants to uh talk about this first because I think we could both talk for an hour about I’ll jump in really briefly and I think this is the Hallmark of um an indication that there’s totalitarian leadership behind this push just because
Um by definition totalitarians like to play with words and definitions of words and not stabilize those words so um the term itself is very problematic it’s been changing dramatically in the last three four years in fact every time I check so the term itself itself um it changes so fast that what
I’m seeing new legislation I think coming out of South Dakota some man was just arrested in Holland um for questioning um The Campaign going on in the Middle East so these are trying times but under that umbrella term it’s just that and the fact that the church
Would drag that term out and use it in this context is beyond problematic so I’m going to flip over to Will on that yeah Will what do you think about this yeah the equivocation I think you’re referring to the anti-Semitism term but also like what is a Jew in this sense uh
The way that D Tate is talking about uh the Jews are not collectively guilty for killing Christ which is true in a sense but also false in a sense in the in a typical Vatican 2 kind of way where of course the Blessed Mother the apostles the Jews who accepted Christ as Messiah
And Lord were expunged of guilt of of um of original ser and of um of uh the guilt of theide while if you read the writings of the church fathers like St Augustine St martyr uh St Justin Martyr and um and um also um St John chrysostom
Their homes against the Jews you’ll see that the it is a traditional view of the church that the Jews are to be held collectively guilty of the sin of dide because they said that uh the blood be upon us and be upon our children and so there’s this playing around between um
Is are we talking about the Jews of the Old Testament or are we talking about this new rinic Faith that’s based in the talmud uh cabala and these man-made Traditions that our Lord seems to allude to and um you know I think like we have to have clarified in our mind the
Difference between Earthly Jerusalem and Heavenly Jerusalem the church as the new spiritual Israel versus you know the carnal Israel as St Augustine uh think of it so you know the two cities Paradigm is something that we draw heavily upon in in pursuit in the metaverse um you know the city of God
Versus the city of man and I think that’s epitomized with this distinction between you know the fulfilled Israel and the carnal Israel yeah and also guys you know when you guys were talking about fucha suant and you were on one of your episodes and you were groaning about eichel Jones
Take on the matter and I think Doug you said like this is kindergarten catechesis you know like you don’t bless Union it’s not a thing like anyway it’s just like why are we even talking about this it’s just anyway so but this is the same kind of thing it’s
Like recall what happens during the passion the the the crowd which is Jewish it’s in Jerusalem it’s the temple it’s the it’s the city of the Jews like this is this is the one they still want to have this is what they’re fighting about Middle East right now among other
Things and they’re given a choice of barabus and they’re given a choice of Christ and pilate is saying you get to choose what you want and the religious leaders of the people the high priest the Sanhedrin blah blah blah and the actual crowds themselves are saying we want
Barabus and barabus you know sometimes he’s portrayed even in Mel Gibson’s passion which is obviously a wonderful film but even in that passion they kind of portray barabus as this like kind of Outlaw uh crude individual and we have no idea what he looked like but he was a
Leader of a revolution he wasn’t just some some common Criminal Who was you know vandalizing property or something like that he was a seditious individual who was working against uh he was he was going for a very Earthly uh Messianic Kingdom of the Jews against the Romans
And they chose that and the name Barabas bar abas it means son of the father that’s what it means um ironically I learned that from Cardinal ratzinger uh who was very ecumenical with the Jews but he pointed that out in his book Jesus of Nazareth that it’s about abas
Is son of the father so there’s this very distinct historical event that takes place where the Jewish hierarchy of the old Covenant religion and the people there assembled for this public spectacle choose the Earthly Messianic revolutionary over the Heavenly spiritual son spiritual uh Kingdom of Jesus Christ this is completely lost
Perhaps you guys can comment on this but this alone this this fundamental understanding I think is completely lost what say you guys will go you can go for it will yeah I just wanted to read uh from Matthew 29:29 here it says well do you scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites
That build the sepers of the prophets and adore The Monuments of the just and say if we had been in the days of our fathers we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets wherefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are the sons of them
That killed the prophets fill you up th the measure of your fathers you serpents Generation of Vipers how will you flee from the Judgment of hell therefore behold I send to you prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them you will put to death and crucify and some
You will Scourge in your synagogues and persecuted from City to city that you may come all the blood that hath been shed upon the Earth from the blood of Abel the just even unto the son of Zacharias the son of bakaras bar barchus whom be killed between the temple and
The altar amen I say to you all these things shall come upon this generation Jerusalem Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets and stest them that are sent unto thee how often would I have gathered together by thy children as the hen doth gather her chicks under her
Wings and W that and thou wouldst not behold your house shall be left to you desolate so I think what our Lord’s saying there this idea of collective retroactive guilt um you know he’s holding the Contemporary generation of Pharisees and scribes guilty of this of the murder of the of the prophets and
Likewise that the followers of those scribes and Pharisees who will become robic Judaism carry forward that same guilt of deide which was the sort of um the taboo that Vatican 2 Most Wanted to um to uh eliminate from church teaching um so yeah here the you know seeking the
The the Earthly fulfillment of a Messianic Kingdom um this is a very prevalent idea within Protestant Theology of millenarianism um that we deal with quite quite heavily in the book and uh uh the the amillennial Paradigm of St Augustine that the church is the Messianic Kingdom uh in type in image of
The Heavenly Kingdom that exists throughout the age of the church as opposed to this Progressive either Prem millenarian or postm millenarian view that the Protestants introduce which is a very judaized view of a over a world to come of a Messianic Kingdom to come rather than as St Gustin says we
Ourselves are the seventh day you know the kingdom is already here in the church and this Echoes some of the misunderstandings of the early church fathers so there’s this ambiguity within the tradition that um you know like tulian and several others believe that there would be a future Messianic
Kingdom but they’re also anticipating the come the coming of Christendom at the same time uh in which the church has this uh you know over overtakes the the Roman Empire becomes the political Paradigm of world you I’ll head over to you dog if you have anything you want to F in
There I’m good okay so so we also have to be very practical here because uh you know along as along with the the Jews of the time Desiring the death of Christ it’s also clear that our sins are why Christ is crucified so yes this is still happening
Today it obviously the sacrifice is a once and for all sacrifice you know for for you and for many whatever you know said in the missile and things like that nonetheless nonetheless there is not a Jew alive today who does not intentionally reject the Messiah it’s not possible I mean
Maybe someone could say oh there’s look let’s say 20 million Jews alive today maybe 19 and something something million three of them live in a cave and never heard of whatever I don’t know I’m just saying there is not a Jew alive today in this age of internet in this age of of
Literacy and so forth who does not know that there is the claim of the Christian Messiah and then there is also the claim of the rabbinic understanding of what the Messiah will be no one alive today does not make that choice to reject one and accept the other this is simply
Impossible and also yes the Catholic church is against collectivism in this uh ambiguous sense of you know all people are part of immutable groups that uh no one has Free Will and it’s you know this is this is the erors behind what we would call a legitimate form of
Racism or bigotry Etc you know so and so was born here therefore so and so must be a jerk well that’s not true nonetheless we do believe in hereditary guilt as Catholics it’s called Original Sin we believe that when you come from a certain origin that you can actually
Spiritually inherit this reality of a sin being upon you as part of a generation from a a common ancestor okay so we do in some way it’s kind of like the predestination question people will say Catholics don’t believe in predestination no we do believe in predestination we just don’t believe in
The total depravity double predestination of the Calvinists to pervert the idea but we do believe God being omniscient that there is this understanding of predestination of where we’re going to go um so there’s there’s even more levels here uh from uh like as as you were saying about the Doug about
The sort of weaponizing of terms and how we don’t even know what they mean in this idea that we’re just going to reject that there could be a collective guilt on a people attached spiritually to a rejection of Christ that even in of itself is a complete misunderstanding of
What Catholicism even teaches about the fact that one can inherit guilt we believe every single person on Earth Jew Muslim Buddhist catholic christian whatever every single person on earth when they’re born because of the sin of the first parents they do inherit a guilt of original
Sin so and that’s you know you know I think that uh there’s even just a misunderstanding of what Catholicism even means about how sin can be inherited what say you guys to that well I might say really quickly there’s so by the way Kennedy um I really enjoyed your um presentation that
You did there at the conference and the and the central theme was to tell the truth easier said than done but it’s exactly if we have to the Dilemma of our time is precisely that so thank you for doing that your last presentation the role of naturalism and the new mass or
Freemasonry is also uh very important to sort of set up this conversation do we want to go the next level and if we want to go to the next level why um because certainly within the city of man there are no advantages to discovering anything on a layer below the Stone
Cutters um so why do it um well we can kind of keep that open right now but I do think there’s a virtue to it because the church is out always talked about it for for each of the centuries since the Advent of Christ so the church thought
It was important to understand it one of the things I think we have to begin with of our understanding of being Catholic is the Catholic church is the millennial age groups of Protestants put it out in the future make it into some kind of city of man things that have to be
Realized a movement toward uh some time of Utopia the Catholic church is the Millennium we as Catholics are Jews true Jews yes right so what’s going on here is that to some level we’re asked to kind of let go of our own inheritance and um the church is Israel we are
Catholics and you know we’ve always understood that but in the 20th century especially with the strong stream away in protestantism we’ve sort of absorb this idea of being um being careful to even pick up on that language so that’s front and center of our own identity as Catholics and realized Jews that that’s
Really what’s under attack is the core of our very identity so when we try to wrestle with reality there’s a lot of parts that we uh need to B together but we need to be firm and stand solid on our own identity the church is Israel we’re living in the millennial age and
We are realized Jews ourselves now other people you know St Paul would say other people are going to make this claim he would use in an Earthly Israel sense in Romans 9 through1 he would talk about being severed from this branch and the conditions are more than likely
According to most Church fathers that they will be grafted do back in now father modley has taken five books to develop the idea that he’s pushing out there which is just wild to most he takes the traditional Latin MTH so similarly in terms of its visual economy
Or you might know it as a sacred uh economy that how we perform this and Our intention will change things and I just kind of Wonder If part of this is in reaction to Father mle’s campaign to in some cases simply not genuflect I don’t think I don’t think anybody’s going to
Be terribly offended by that um but will do you have any other ideas pertaining to that question sure yeah um the the issue of original sin I think is really important the way that you laid that out uh Kennedy because it’s a source of a lot of Gnostic speculation to begin with
Um you know how do we um inherit the the the stain of original set and how do we free ourselves from it through Christ and also what you talked about with like collectivism uh Collective guilt and that we don’t view like um you know ethnic groups collectively in the sense
And that’s that’s another way in which like defining what is Jewish identity becomes tricky is it an ethnic identity is it a a religious identity is it a political um Theology and then how we handle the idea of original sin is very critical in like many Gnostic speculate forms of
Speculation like um that the issue of the fire why is the world in the state that it’s in today why do we have to struggle why do we have to work uh why is there pain and suffering the mystery of evil Etc um so um yeah also like the
The question of you know um St Paul says you know there’s neither Jew nor Greek in Christ right that that ontological distinction is Unified in Christ when we all become part of the mystical body so um I think that when we say today like uh you know we’re the fulfilled Jews as
Gentiles um it’s it’s different than the way that we Define what a a Jew is in a in the caral sense and a political sense or um you know the ethn religious landscape so um you know like if we’re talking about like an orthodox Jew or reformed Jew a Zionist a Messianic Jew
That’s a whole another kind of um category that’s really tricky U that is very cabalistic um in its in its thinking uh but gets kind of a a gold pass um because it seems like it makes this inroads um uh between this distinction so anyway on I think but
Doug was talking about with Father modley too this issue of the two brothers and the metaphor of human fraternity that’s so important with them you know Freemasonry uh in the Vatican 2 uh you know noat uh talks is like how do we imagine this this nature of this Brotherhood uh between the Elder
Brothers and the faith that you alluded to that John Paul II actually he’s um quoting from a Polish cabalist named Adam misht who is a Freemason and a cabalist when he used that term Elder Brothers uh um other uh I think in some interviews jump on the second actually
Said Elder Brothers in the faith of Abraham which is you know very very tricky and um not consistent with tradition but um you know father modley points out that the nature of the Brotherhood is actually one of imity and fratricide uh not one of you know Universal love and this sort of um
Earthly Kingdom of Utopia that Doug’s talking about and I think there’s this kind of ba switch that’s constantly going on around these these definitions yeah yeah and it’s all very scriptural again yes and this is why these terms are so difficult like I’m writing a book right now on
Modernism uh for Sophia press and I’m about halfway done and one of the things I’m tackling in it is pi the 10th warns against this understanding of what we would call living tradition uh and this term living tradition has been used in this age of modernism heavily against traditionalists because they’ll say well
The church’s tradition is living well yes the church’s tradition is living in in so far as the tradition of the church is transmitted to the faithful through members of the magisterium who are alive yes the uh Catholic Church is the mystical Body of Christ and he’s not the
God of the Dead He’s the god of the living so Christ is alive and therefore his mystical body with its tradition will be living but that’s as far as it goes if the idea is living tradition meaning that uh tradition itself continues to grow into something else in some sort of evolutionary perspective
Then that’s false and if we don’t have these terms properly if we don’t have these terms properly defined then we get into the weeds and with elder Brethren yes there is a reality of Elder Brethren but as father modley points out as you rightly say it there it’s it’s Cain and
Abel Cain is the elder brother so yes this and that represents that the Jews themselves would kill Christ I mean the typology there is obvious when you take 10 seconds to think about it offering a lamb offering grain one kills the other cuz his sacrifice you know Cain Cain is
The older brother of the Jews and and Christ is the younger brother or sorry Abel is the younger brother is Christ and so on and so forth It’s the mass it’s the old Covenant it’s the New Covenant it’s everything I mean it’s the gospel it’s the whole Bible and and and
And four paragraphs or whatever it is you know as many things in the Old Testament are and so yes there is an elder Brethren thing but it’s not it’s not it’s not a a relationship of affection and I’m going to read something here and I think this will be
A good segue Doug and we can talk about some of the themes of how this naturalism the metaverse this Domination by these you know whatever you want to call them globalists Masons whatever Powers it’s really Satan behind it all and I’m going to read something here
Which in context makes a lot of sense so this is from fahe this is from a book called The kingship of Christ organized naturalism this is page 50 for those following at home and uh he said the Jew to be consistent would fail in his duty
To the Messiah to come if he did not subordinate subordinate the interests of Every Other Nation to those of his own where have we seen that my friends there is accordingly a vital difference of attitude which has its ultimate ground in the doctrines respectively held with regard to the Messiah what he’s saying
Here is if and this is logic 101 we believe as Catholics we’re supposed to believe as Catholics Archbishop Lev tried to hold this for us and many people reject it we’re supposed to believe as Catholics that Christ is King we’re supposed to believe as Catholics that every knee shall bow we Herald Christ
The King he will dominate the world he is in charge and Catholicism is the only true religion it is God’s willed religion therefore no other religion can have any positive rights it is impossible for truth and falsehood to have the same rights we can tolerate that’s a matter of political prudence
And so on and so forth different question but as far as positive rights it must be the faith so we want the whole world to be dominated by Jesus Christ because that’s a good thing and this is the city of God but the city of man wanting to have an Earthly Messiah
If they believe because listen if you read the Old Testament and you take this you know view of this modern renic Judaism that yes there will be a messiah the belief is that he will be a world leader and he’s going to be in charge of everything and if you believe that then
You’re going to want to prepare people to be under this world leader to be in charge of everything and and this is and and this is something that people just don’t want to talk about and um so Doug perhaps you can maybe give us some links
Here as as because I think this theme is at the heart of this domination of the intellect this domination of the mind which is at the heart of your work perhaps you want to springboard from that wow there’s a lot there but you really set it up well Kennedy it’s a
Matter of can we finally talk are we finally at a place where we can at least just disc discuss this something that this church has been discussing every Century you know by the way when you talk about uh father fee he took together it’s a consolidation of all the
Popes throughout the centuries and there’s kind of just one um kind of story of organized naturalism going throughout so can we finally especially given the um the times that we’re living in actually just discuss this especially if one of the purposes of this is to build a counter Kingdom or even to
Attack um Catholicism in order to build that Kingdom um yeah I I’ll give a couple thoughts um my background I was really interested in the history of ideas the rise and fall of Empires and I do believe part of the fog of War that’s
Going on is around us is that we are in the transition into a new kind of Empire a new kind of World um and a new kind of propositions about what is true and what is real and it’s a big idea one of the idea there’s a few interconnected ideas
In there one of them is that we are under a type of Gnostic thought virus that we’re living through and trying to speak about this and find a Common Language and find why exactly it is that we’re talking about subjects like this even becomes uh tricky and troubling now
When I first put that idea of a infected with a thought you know this uh it became kind of out there a couple years ago the woke virus and I think anybody that traces back where does this craziness really come from from um certainly you would agree with me
Kennedy it tends to always come back to the concept of nominalism yes and that and Mr aam and so the skies fell down and we’re living instead of the the I’ll call this a Catholic project which means I don’t know if my arm is in here vertical project and the purpose of it
Is to be incorporated into the body of Christ through the sacraments and our um Oaths to Faith and that is part of what I would call the sing the Christian Singularity and it has a TS and the TS is again we’re going to wait until the Redemption of all things in
The new Heaven and the new Earth and we patiently paid it part of our Catholic uh belief system is we’re are living in what we call an inaugurated eschatology we’re sort of the Bride we’re patiently waiting we’ve had the promise and it’s assured from God and the term that will
And I developed in order to look at these transitions in Empire we pull from the sacred economy we come up with a concept called the visual economy because I think it helps us go from this turn of naturalism into four stages when it’s hard for us to even find the
Language and the signpost into turning us back into what the Catholic church has always been about bringing souls to heaven and we get confused with the language and the signing in our proper reality and sometimes I think it’s the case when many of us think we’re living
In the city of God where in fact it’s a simulation of it and that gets a little heady I realize that so yeah and so we have this project here I call the Christian Singularity and that was even my first book um but now I see the component of the visible Church changes
Everything once you get your head around that so the Catholic uh project goes vertically and there’s an opposing city of man project that’s the most it’s it’s been developed most precisely as an antithetical antithetical and parasitic project which is most realized in what we call cabala it’s a very deep thing
But it has a TS and it is attached to something we could call the Jewish project the tilos is a Utopia now I was very influenced by uh Norman coh he wrote a book in 1957 called in pursuit of the Millennium and he really talks about this as a type of
Thought virus that comes centuries before even our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was on the scene and he does his name’s Norman Coleman he’s a not Marxist mid-century historian he’s English and just a fascinating work about developing this thought virus and he just thought about it in Cardinal terms these people
Were oppressed and their psychology created they needed to create this Utopia to overcome this uh condition that they were living in from ancient times so he traces this Millennial virus throughout the age my take is that the metaverse is the realized version of this techno Utopia um in other words uh
The Catholic church has a Christian it preserves the Christian Singularity the cabala is about the technos singularity it’s about a a a technological sort of um B reproduction of the typology of Babel instead of everybody going to the shinar valley where all nodes in the Machinery openly people are talking
About whether it’s TED Talks or many of the spokesman for the world economic for where increasingly the World Systems are being synthesized and being turned together economic political and we’re being openly told we’re going to be part of this integration through AI we’re going to become we’re going to merge
With technology it’s a scary proposition but that is the anical mode of the and the final mode of cabala and the Christian Singularity um and I think that is the main thing one thing I would like to finish on in my own life just within the
Last 10 or 11 years I’ve gone through Paradigm changes and each Paradigm for lack of a better word um Cohen Norman Cohen would call this a fantasy world um Eric fogan would call it a second reality I used the word egregor Gnostic egregor from tomberg and I specifically use it there’s a Catholic
Social order and the further we get around away from that social order we create these second reality or egregor and they as uh St Augustine or father ripener would say by the way I want to give a shout out to everybody down in in Tampa I just was
Presenting my book down there amazing Parish amazing people we learned a lot about spiritual warfare and it was just wonderful but yes the further we get away from the Catholic social order we’re exposing oursel to these mind demons and eventually it’s not just going from Luther to Methodist to
Jehovah’s Witness eventually it goes all the way to the woke movement eventually the idea of this is destroying all things for its own sake because you’re so lost in this mind virus we don’t realize we’re useful idiots for powers that we really don’t even understand they’re TS or where it’s necessarily
Going so we don’t understand how through our own sin and blindness we’re participating in our own destruction the production of our families tribes Empires that have been created and everything else so that’s what I’m especially interested in and I do want to say when I go through these uh
Paradigm shifts myself they’re difficult approaching truth is difficult the first one um I was given the grace to see the vertical and uh become a Christian walk um at that time too I entered into a uh learning about my friends there at uh Epiphany gave me the term the Jason the
Jay’s and the Masons kind of clever right I’m going to say the Jason um we um yeah it’s what I found be becoming a Christian the further you go into the Paradigm and look at prophecy and look at typology the more it’s confirmed um when I went into Catholicism and looked
Out that that the Christ created a church a visible church with signs and markings of the church the further I go into that Paradigm it’s unconceivable to me that you know that I didn’t see it as a Protestant and likewise with the question of the people are going to be
Apprehensive we’ve been as we say biopolitically controlled through through political correctness not to go there to not think about it what I would say is the further you go into the typology IT confirms the other two it confirms Christianity it confirms Catholicism and the idea of the Brotherhood and the emnity that father
Um modley thinks about is so important because at the end of the day we want to stay incorporated into the one true Holy Catholic Apostolic Church the value of recognizing the enemies of the church and the enemies of our should not be and I found this the further you go learning
To have when we’re when we’re taught to um love our enemies to truly be able to love our enemies the real battle is inside I find the further you go from this it just refines my faith my uh path toward Holiness that the enemy
Truly um is is myself and my own sin and that’s what we’re really wrestling with so when we talk about topics like this yeah there are people that can happen with anything that everything’s you’re agnostic you’re that you’re a Mason and and we do and in Catholic Social in
Circles we also have I know a lot of your fans are uh Renee jardians and we get hostile toward other people that are kind of on our turf and people that should you know and we’re just it’s wired into our flesh so we have to bear on mind when we work through these
Paradigms the goal should be to refine our faith and to refine our walk with Christ and the true battle is with our own sin but I’ve talked long enough there I’m GNA kick it over to anybody else well before I let you come in here will because I know you have some
Thoughts um I was actually going to bring uper agard a mic contagion and uh I don’t know if I mean he’s there’s a lot of great philosophers but as far as a philosopher of this let’s call it the Modern Age I hate the word modern in a
Sense I understand why it works but it’s been weaponized to mean men are different now in their fundamental nature than they were in the past which isn’t true nonetheless in this Modern Age mimic contagion I think that’s what we should rename social media as Mima contagion this idea that you basically just get
This mind virus that makes you go crazy and uh that’s what we’re living through right now that was Co that’s all the stuff about the wars that’s every you know uh Revolution every four years with the Electoral politics it’s just this mimetic contagion and it does make us
Tribal and the problem here with you can tell this through the US ccb’s words people can go read the article it’s just a bunch of ecumenical silly gobble tog and they are you can tell in their words they’re assuming that we are all under the grips of this Collective contagion they’re
Assuming that because one points out facts of History because one points out facts of of scripture and so forth it’s almost as if they’re assuming that we don’t have the tools to think you know to for ourselves so to speak we don’t have the tools to be able to understand
Multiple ideas at the same time and on the one hand say and you mentioned praying for enemies because what this does this idea that we should associate even if indirectly Good Friday in the scriptures with anti-Semitism well what the heck does this do for conversions I mean we’re we’re saying that it’s basically
Anti-semitic ridiculously to read the gospel so I mean why why would we ever want to have Jews convert to the faith if we think that the faith is anti-Semitic this is the consequence of that uh it’s a form of self-hatred it’s a form of self-loathing but it’s also
Antithetical towards the kingdom of God because why would we want anybody to convert to it which is so uncharitable it is so uncharitable and this is one thing when you read father ve or father moley’s work you know he says I read the Old Testament I fell in love with the
Jews and what he meant was for one obviously the old Covenant the amazing Saints of the Old Testament that’s obvious thing but also if there is an enemy if there is a group of if there is a religious group ethnic group whatever that is in the grips of this falsity and
This demonic influence where they hate the Messiah Christ tells us that if we love someone who we can easily love this is of no merit so conversely if we love someone who we have every reason on the natural perspective not to love how much more Merit is there in that than anything
Else uh so a true C Catholic is going to look at this stuff and say man there’s some real problems here this is some real dangerous stuff for your soul I need to pray as hard as possible for the Jews and that is the truest form of love
Perhaps will you want to comment on this oh sure there’s a lot there I want to comment on um yeah I think recognizing the enity is primary to um to to the the love and I I think I misrepresented there with the the issue of human fraternity and the
Frat side issue is that like it’s both you know um one that calls for um love and also one that calls for recognizing that there is primordial conflict uh between the two the two seeds um Doug identifies the seat of the woman and the seat of the serpent within prophecy and
Our Lord seems to be alluding to that here when he’s talk when he’s condemning Jerusalem in Matthew 29 um and um I just want to Circle back to cabala gnosticism a little bit uh sure talking about um the imitiation of the escaton uh this Gnostic thought virus that sees that we
Have to bring Heaven to Earth through manufacturing prophecy and this is largely what cabala is about um and in pursuit of the metaverse we Define cabala AS gnosticism Plus as messian plus messianism u but it’s important to note note in narcissism as well as cabala there is no re or within Judaism
There is no concept of original sin so what do the Messiah come to do if he’s not to come if he’s not to um eliminate original sin so it becomes this very Earthly overcoming of the world I I think this is something that’s important to understand with nostic ISM and its
View of being um of reality as a botch job and a false spectacle that has to be destroyed and surmounted so that we can fors this new age and this world to come in which we can become like Gods so um uh there’s a very influential book on
Gnosticism from the early 20th century uh by by Adolf Von harach called the gos marcion the gospel of the alien god that we I’ll read through real briefly says the Christian gnostics took the concept unknown seriously uh their God although the father of Jesus Christ was actually
The unknown one the connection of this God with the world has been completely dissolved they were increasingly unable to relate the pure good and exalted God whom they found within their bosoms to the external World which was so bad finally the link is completely broken the unknown God is the is not the
Creator of the world precisely for this reason he is the unknown one the attributes of God stemming from his this inwardness as spiritual holy and good exalted him so high above the world that he could no longer be thought of as his creator and governor in the same process
So here we have like the idea that the god of the world is the demier in the same process however the world came to be utterly devoid of value since not only all value but all true being also is sought uh sought in the unknown one the world became a prison a hell
Something with meaning and Idol fasy indeed and nothing all these judgments are basically identical the world has lost its right to be so that the palpable fact of its existence evoked every conceivable form of hostile judgment and condemnation the gnostics however still maintained an important reservation in this connection to man
Which possesses in his Spirit a spark of the very being and life of the unknown god um the saving Act of the unknown God who had become manifest could only appear as a fulfillment of abiding obligation act that only gives assistance to what is really the self-redemption of the spirit that is
After all Divine seek day to become like God through self-redemption um so the concept of the unknown God is something that figures heavily within uh Protestant Theology and you’re talking about uh R Gerard and this concept of the spectacle um um you know my medic desire and the scapegoat mechanism um or
What uh James Frasier is called the killing of the king ritual um which we have in Christ when he Likens himself to the brace serpent who’s going be elevated so there’s this confusion that takes place in the Middle Ages uh with the heresy of iconic clasm which sees
You know um uh all the stained glass and statues and religious art of the medieval church as being a violation of the second commandment and so um what we have to do is destroy these images of of um Heavenly um realities in order to bring about this invisible church and
This and it’s it’s Gnostic at core um and this is you know a a very uh Jewish judaized concept as well the rejection of statutes and and uh the visual economy that the church represents um so like in the uh the the catechism um of the Council of Trent talks about how the
Sacramental economy within the sacramental economy the sacrament is both a sign and instrument and there’s this capacity of the image and the sign to affect reality but within the sastic system we see um uh like nominalism signs as being totally divertive meaning and just being matters of convenience or
Empty tools U instruments that don’t actually don’t actually correspond in any kind of trans Transcendent reality so um yeah and then what we have in the in in place of that is this sort of debased ecstasy of mass media culture in which we’re constantly constructing these new spectacles because the image
You know of The Sovereign king of Christ is a metaphysical reality that we can deny but it still resurfaces back through um the logic of political theologies and through the logic of the spectacle and of um you know mymic desire so that’s why you know the spectacle requires blood um uh because
Of the dead of original sin and so that’s why we’re constantly watching films with you know Bloodshed and there’s this this we need this desire for flesh uh the consumption of Flesh with within the image uh you know what’s interesting okay I wrote down a bunch of notes here
Because there was a bunch there and I want us to talk about these notes that I wrote down but before I do we see well we should talk about organized naturalism because I don’t know if you obviously know who Candace Owens is her story arc is getting a little
Interesting uh she’s getting a little bit spicy with some of the stuff she’s saying uh someone on Twitter posted uh and I’ve been off Twitter for Lent but I because I work online I kind of every once in a while go on to see if I have a
DM from someone about a show or something but anyway I just saw this tweet and uh my friend said uh Candace ens is emj Arc is going to be wild anyway I I thought that was funny I’m just watching this stuff but she tweeted you talk about the consumptions of the flesh the
Dbased the dbased Ecstasy this is pornography right and and she tweeted man I’m paraphrasing man pornography is bad we should probably see who’s behind this and immediately from the blue check marks I mean we’re all blue check marks now if you pay for it but from the 100,000 follower media people whatever
They started calling her an anti-semite and I thought my goodness gracious like that’s I mean that’s hilarious but it just you can’t hide it part of this organized naturalism you have to get to these two things this debased ecstasy so you’re going to have to find your religious experience
Somewhere else you’re going to have to you’re going to have to be ecstasy meaning taken out of your state you’re going to be have to take you’re have to be taken into either a demonic spiritualism in the real explicit sense which be fine with these false religious practices okay
Fine or you’re going to have to be taken into a uh pseudo a substitute for religious ecstasy which is going to be obviously through the ways of pleasure the the two- minuted hate from Orwell you’re going to have to be taken somewhere where you know your spirit uh
Whether you understand that naturally or or uh supernaturally as a an atheist or a Believer sort of thing you’re still going to have to be elevated somewhere because the human person just can’t live without that it’s I’m a huge football fan I grew up playing football grew up
Playing rugby I coached both I can’t stand sporting culture I mean I I love the sport it’s a guilty pleasure to watch you know the games here and there but I I understand the culture is is absurd it’s a ritual culture it’s a culture of it is it is a modern form of
Uh of of the Temple of the Gods and watching the Titans play out their thing and we have the flames and we have the music and we have the hymns and we have you know it really is just a type of religious culture where we we see this battle playing out in in
Ourselves of Good and Evil which we’re supposed to be playing that battle internally we want to watch it happen in the flesh because we need to satisfy that somehow which is why football’s so popular because it’s the perfect representation of it it’s an excellent sport but when it’s understood by
Perverse culture it’s literally a war and we want to watch this war we need to see the Victor because we can’t live without that so before we get to this topic of messianism because I want to I want to uh I wrote down a few things
Here I want to show how our culture is always looking for a messiah and and we we always need one and and we’re always looking for the wrong one and every single villain of History every single supposed hero of secular history all these men are Messiahs and they all fail
But before we do that Doug you talk uh a lot in your work about really what fahe talks about is organized naturalism do you want to describe to us cuz that’s the underpinning of the false Messiah is the organized naturalism you want to talk about this idea of organized naturalism for our
Conversation well what I thought was important um when we’re trying to reconstruct we don’t know what’s going to happen in the future but we have to Father Fe he would say we have to maintain the seeds of christiandom you know we live in a world where that was
Backwards but in terms of the visual economy the glasses that God want us to have on uh to see reality um that ingal culture is the uh the Pinnacle of I think God’s plan of order in the world and so father fah he would lay out seven
Different steps about uh what the God’s plan is for order in the world and then the devil’s plan and I think we whatever happen it’s difficult history doesn’t usually go back that way in Father F he realized that but we have to have the
Seeds of to work with from how to how to apprehend reality so the force of organized naturalism well again Cohen would say this one of the Central culprits and he’s not even doing this from a Biblical perspective would be this Jewish project or we could call it
The Covenant project bear in mind that even Christ’s own Apostles all the way I think until perhaps the Passover um really were looking for um and I think even after he I think after he even returned they were still looking for a political Messiah and yes the um this organized force uh
That’s looking to create a worldly leader worldly Utopia we’re pulled into that um very much we’re a part of the spectacle and we don’t want to say it but we’re part of this demonic ontology and we get sucked into this for St Augustine he said it was very much a
Part of the ampliers that Christians were required to go to the games themselves produced these uh ethereal spirits they became attached to them and in Augustine’s time he said you really truly can’t uh baptize some they’re not truly prepared until they’ve uh expelled these Spirits or exercised these spirits
That has transposed into our own time and we can see the you know the craziness of the Super Bowl and uh you reality television and every other crazy thing we’re asked to pull back into it even if we just call it like the marxists did um consumerism that we’re
In this wheel and a lot of things sound churchy a lot of things sound sciency but we long to be reconnected we were made to be reconnected with the true the true spectacle when Christ uh died on Calvary he died held back the hand of the of the evil one enabling us to
Incorporate ourselves and keep our gaze upon the true spectacle of Christ and the world again has pulled us into this ontology and the role I think of organized naturalism is that takes all these adherence one of the fundamental psychological uh features of this would according to vogan and uh Cohen would be
Alienation we’re alienated from our ground of being we’re alienated from God and so what we do is we pull others into our alienation so we will produce a reality I.E Jerry Springer or Jerry Springer put it over the top so you can’t disclaim ignorance you know you’re watching garbage and we know that
A a noan rabbi is you know head of YouTube and you know so yes that so part of what cabala does is it takes you into the simac room it wants to take that um authentic um reality and that experience with Christ and transpose it to everything that’s artificial and if we
Can customize it just so you can have so dang many channels to you know pick from and that it’ll somehow be a substitute but deep down and we search we will feel that alienation and people want us to get aboard of the alienation and the alienation is the natural project and
One of the concerns will and I am probably getting a little bit off track there’s going to be something coming down the pike someday uh when some sort of chaos hits and some solutions are are forwarded it’ll be something like What’s called the nohide loss but’ll be repackaged into something else and we
Don’t have to get into that but as their ultimate theology what but they really need to kind of have this magic leap of being this is an expression Christianity when we’re incorporated into Christ’s body we make a leap in being because we’re inaugurated into the millennial Kingdom where we will um find our
Destinations and live forever with Christ the counterfeit version of that needs a singularity it’s not the laws of physics are not going to allow this to happen uh they’re not going to allow um machines to become conscious so there’s always kind of when I say seeing through
What is the game you’re kind of throwing a lot of fairy dust out there and a lot of scientific terms because all of these Trends through organized naturalism get you on board with the alienation whether it’s the Protestant Reformation or us having to wa you know do another watch
Porno yet again or the football game it’s this idea it’s this magic of um self-actualization sort of everybody’s had to maybe take a class at with mlo at some point of their life that that’s the Pinnacle of existence you climb up the world’s organized kind steps of reality
And suddenly you have this Vantage Point uh that’s unique to you and in very few other people except the super successful people that’s the path of organized naturalism that want you to bring you into this alienated existence and I think when we kind of see how the signposts have been turned through aonic
Clasm through nominalism we have to come back to have a solid Faith as Catholics that the traditional uh liturgy I would say especially in the um historical or traditional form is how we come back and we pull ourselves back to it and it does require a lot of fasting on things we’ve
Been used to consuming there’s nothing new here we need to take the worldliness out of it the Warriors of worldliness are the form of organi of of naturalism they’ve pulled the Protestants into this through the idea of uh rejecting Israel the church and the fact that we’re in the millennial age they’ll
Put it out here they’ll put it over here there’s post there’s pre there’s movements right now that if you’re an a millennialist that’s the traditional opinion that you are an anti-semite for just holding that that would mean all Catholics if you truly understand and hold the millennial view that we’re
Living in in an an inaugurated eschatology and our job is to patiently wait Cod promised he would come and and meet his bride so doing that we’re going to organize naturalism and I can’t blame them it’s part of worldliness it’s been there but the chief agents of that that
Have to destroy that visual economy in order to reconstruct a new one if we can kind of see how the signposts have been changed we can really come back and truly prepare ourselves for the Eucharist and really reconnect with the one thing that I think it’s the and this in mid-century
Valentine tomberg would say this he was a convert to the Catholic Church It’s the Last Hope of mankind and and part of that is us really coming back from the pathaway and reconnecting with the sacred economy of the Catholic church that’s that was beautiful um yeah worldliness I talk about
Worldliness if there’s one word that describes I mean this worldliness is organized naturalism but it’s a it’s a term that’s more accessible let’s say because it’s just some more of a colloquial expression my wife and I talk about this all the time so we have six children God’s blessed us with six
Children thanks be to God hopefully we’ll have more and we homeschool and all the the whole sorts of thing and where our battle as parents is 100% of the time protecting ourselves interiorly because we can only give our children what we have we can’t give what we don’t have so if we’re
Worldly we’re going to give our children a worldly life is protecting our children from worldliness and this is you know it’s it’s less in traditional communities because at least the priests generally speaking are hammering this home often in sermons and catechesis and it’s a very explicit like hey this is bad this
Is good that’s very helpful uh it’s virtually not existent in the novas Soro the novas Soro is worldliness it must be worldliness the idea the the impetus behind the novas Soro religion and I say that I you know my friends out there who are my
Critics we have to we have to all admit that the crisis in the church is very much a mystery you know I was reading uh from uh I’m not a St of atist but there are certain Satay that I think have very great insights into things and I was
Reading some stuff from John Lane who was if if there is a reasonable stream of state of aism I would say he’s of the reasonable stream I don’t agree with him but nonetheless I don’t think he’s an idiot and I don’t think he’s not Catholic and but you know he was
Saying wherever you fall if you’re trying to reconcile the papacy if you’re trying to reconcile uh say of atis trying to figure out these things the reason you’re trying to do that is because this crisis is really a mystery I mean and and Bishop Tiss of the sspx
Has said this you know uh if anyone is looking for a uh cookie cutter simple solution to what to do right now you’re not going to find that anywhere because this thing is a Hydra it’s everything from the perceptions we have of existence to the bad philosophy we have
About the nature of man to the uh the disguised ecumenical terms that are weaponized against the faithful to this this nominalistic war of words I mean this is a crisis on all fronts but if there’s one thing that we can identify where we can at least tangibly latch on to something where we
Can say okay at least I can do this it’s the worldliness it’s in it’s not even just in the lyrics of music it’s in the type of music you know I narrated a book for um Dr quases Who is a friend of mine and I just love his scholarship on tradition
I just think he’s wonderful and um and I narrated his book good music Sacred Music and silence and uh it’s really a catechesis on Catholic tradition but he uses music for it and he does it masterfully but he shows he said you know from the wisdom of the ancients
From all of the smartest greatest people both from the Pagan pre-christian world and and and the Christian World everyone from confucious to Aristotle to Saint so and so to Saint so and so to scholar so and so there is a type of music that is
The music of the city of man there is a type of music that will in it your rable lower passions in certain sit scenarios it’s okay in the sense of you know you got certain drum beats you’re walking into battle that’s very appropriate but but but this but my point being is
Everything everything you have to protect yourself from this worldliness you know after Easter we’re not we’re not going on vacation we’re doing a station thing but I said to my wife I said I’m turning off my phone you’re turning off your phone we have we don’t
Have a TV I’m closing my computer I’m putting it in a drawer uh we have a home phone everyone we want to talk to the like 12 people that we actually do want to talk to know our home phone number and we are going to just like sit in the
Mud in a forest I don’t care what it is but we are just literally getting away from the technocracy that we live in because you have to you have to reset yourself so I think that was super important you brought up this worldliness because it’ll destroy your
Soul and you’re right you’re right when you go to the traditional Mass the reason why it’s so important is because it is clearly not of this world it does not perfectly fit any age it’s ancient it’s medieval it’s neither it’s not modern we don’t even know exactly where
It started which is the point because Christ’s life is in obscurity before he has his public Ministry so the life of the Liturgy matches the Life of Christ and when we go there it is where secular and modern culture goes to die it evaporates and we go into the Heavenly
Jerusalem and everyone needs that and all we have are bad substitutes before I talk about Messi and because I just talked for a while will would you like to add anything before we get into that yeah sure and maybe I could transition to that a little bit um I
Think largely what’s at stake here is the issue of mediation right within protestantism the solop solo scriptura is a a claim against mediators um and St Thomas’s ontology is based upon um this concept of analogy the analogy of being that everything exists in so far as it
It shares in God’s being through a chain of likenesses um through mediators and so what we have now is the self-referential reality which everything relates back to the spectacle um and the way it relates is through these kind of artificial conflicts and through this spectacle drama of
Bloodshed basically right um and so what it’s trying to compel us to do is turn away from through our own valtion uh from reality toward the false spectacle and let that be the reference point so what is the reference of all being it’s God God’s the guar to
Uh in which um all of reality uh uh moves and has its being um but within the spectacle it’s almost like this post anology or this anti- onology in which everything is simulated and false and artificial and uh the way it deres power is through generating tension and and um
And violence uh within its own self-referential construct yeah yeah all right let’s you’re exactly right there let’s let’s move into this idea of messianism I think this will be last sort of large topic we’ll talk about here maybe next 15 20 minutes before we sign off so inherent in this organized naturalism
Whe in the Jason right whether it’s in the the desires of the and you you said Covenant as well which was super important because that’s always inherent in a in a messianism so inherent in all of these anti- christic uh and people get upset at me I
Said at our conference and the the the one you were talking about said in my Litany of Truth where I said hey it’s really fun to tell the truth I’ll T I’ll say 10 things you’re not supposed to say and you know we’ll have a blast everyone
Laughed I mean it’s hilarious the truth the truth will set you free it makes you laugh it makes you it’s relieving it’s amazing and uh and I said Judaism is definitionally by definition the religion of the Antichrist and one of the q&as we got didn’t have time to
Answer it at the question at the conference just we out of time and it’s like well again this is just very simple if you reject Christ you’re against Christ Christ says if you’re not for me you’re against me it’s not a it’s not a it’s not a uh deep conspiracy thing it’s
Just how words work but anyway in messianism we will always try to exalt these false Messiahs and I just had a list that I came through here as as we were talking about this that are really relevant for our sort of historical memory here for for for those of us
Alive in this era and the first one I wrote down was Nazism Hitler and the Aryans often this whole uh you know sometimes there’s a stream within the people waking up to the Jewish question then they start to adopt these ideas which are in and of themselves another
Side of the same problem it’s this idea that we have another chosen people that is only known by Blood and they’re they have a prophet who’s going to bring them to the promised land and we can call it whatever lean’s realm or whatever you want to call it you know this is idea
This was another version of setting up the Earthly Kingdom and it’s no secret as to why they went after uh the Elder Brethren because in their flawed understanding they realized that was a problem and there was this rival to this natural Kingdom but they sought to reconcile that with obviously egregious
Means we have in both communism and Islam um even though um the idea of the Messianic figure is not always clear the Messianic figure is the collective in both of those in communism you obviously have the people the proletariat these are the heroes and as one Collective
Body we represent the salvation of the world from all troubles in Islam you have the caliphate and it’s this is why they they go so closely together um of course uh as much as I think he’s hilarious and I would obviously prefer him to over over over Joe Biden because
I would prefer having a like a a broom to be president over Joe Biden because he wouldn’t do anything which would be a good thing obviously Trump is a Messianic figure again he’s hilarious I get it you’re in America if you’re right wing you’re go again I’m not I’m I’m not
I’m here I’m not here to hate on I’m not I’m not a never Trumper but Trump is a Messianic figure I mean literally people are comparing him to like Constantine and King David and things like that and it’s like my goodness gracious and the last one I’ll bring up here in the
Church you know one of the ssbx Bishops uh he’s the Spanish Bishop garetta he said the four popes the four popes since the council mainly so you had Paul I six who was the tormented modernist you had ratzinger who was the uh modernist Theologian now I know ring
Was very very very conservative but there’s a lot of Hegel in his stuff and Hegel is at the root of modern M you had John Paul 2 he called him the Messianic modernist and then you have Pope Francis who’s the Incarnation of modernism John Paul 2 you know if you talk to people
Who understand polish history there was this stream of Polish messianism in the 1800s and poetry and things like that rejecting these errors of Communism so forth going to the extreme that there would basically be this great Catholic Monarch who would be this polish Pope and you know immediately after John Paul II dies
We are now supposed to call John Paul II John Paul the great that’s insane I mean we’re supposed to I mean just we traditionalists know but we’re supposed to call John Pauli John Paul the great he was heralded I mean people think that John Paul thei like somehow single-handedly destroyed
Communism I I can’t understand this you know and but it’s because there’s this Messianic belief that he was the savior of the church and he was found in a person we find this um in even in Catholic prophecy I’m going to upset some people here I don’t
Care I always upset people um but we find this we find a vesage of this judaized uh uh Protestant dispensationalism we find it in the church and it’s called The Three Days of Darkness it is the Catholic Rapture it is the idea that there’s the good guys
And there’s the bad guys and Christ is going to come and pluck you out of the suffering because you’re the elect and everyone else is going to suffer and this apocalyptic world you can Gussy it up with all of the private Revelation you want the three days of darkness is
The Catholic Rapture okay um I just upset some people there and also even this idea of the great French monarch you know I got an email from and this is big and traditionalist circles this does not make me any friends but again whatever I got this email from this
French Catholic follower of mine and uh she she said to me it’s weird because in France the idea of the great French monarch is not taken seriously because it’s really just sort of this Fringe private Revelation thing that is not a teaching of the church but outside the
Church in the world where we’ve adopted all of these Protestant mil about these Messiahs to come this this this dispensationalist nonsense this whole thing that there’s going to be some figure he’s going to come and he’s going to save us from all our stuff he’s going
To be a political hero he’s going to be riding a horse he’s going to have his Rockets or whatever and by gone we’re going to have the reign of Christ the King because of this great individual this is a Messianic belief but we already have a messiah perhaps
You guys want to jump in there I’ll try it um I think this is a good way to end the segment it’s sort of like we could call it a thought virus of messianism or yeah the Egor of messianism and it it is how all these ideas um are um coming
Into the church and I think affecting a lot of good people and I know a lot of people get triggered about the stuff that you’re talking about there um just uh will has probably more to say about this but what I’ll say just a couple
Things to bear in mind as we live in the millennial age as Catholics the church is the age and again that’s part of our inheritance inheritance when we kind of get distracted we’re be a faithful uh Faithfully await Christ in this time you know and it’s a slog sometimes and the
City of man now organized naturalism is gonna here’s something it’s going to excite you here’s something that’s going to get you imagining and get your eyes off it and sometimes these ideas of a dispensationalism are going to be repackaged in terms of apparitions or different Catholic prophecies and I find
A lot of them problematic but I don’t want to be entirely dismissive of them but bear in mind two things the apostles a number of them uh repeatedly say in this age and the age to come in this age and the age to come
In this age and the age to come um I think our when we talk about me this messianism that can’t be separated from the millennialism this bug that’s been around for a long time this desire to put ourselves in the place of God and in
Fact um do the work of God now uh so this age and the age to come and just a reminder that that Christ said my kingdom is not of this world um so part of this great deception will be whether it’s a Protestant or possibly some
Catholics are going to fall into it this you know the Antichrist definitely um all of the church fathers agreed that it was a system and they were kind of split whether or not it’s also an individual if it is an individual I think a lot of people would uh fall into this Jewish
Project you don’t have to be Jewish to be in the Jewish project right um so those are kind of my main ideas I I think the the key one probably fell out of my head ah but here here it is so this new dispensation um you mentioned the days
Of darkness or the good Pope and we should live our lives like the the Christ could return at any moment y we should always be prepared for the end that we are in fact living in the end times because we are in the church age
Um but I think we have to be on guard because uh I think these new dispensationalism when people seem to um enroll themselves in them it seems to be um I I think there’s a great concern and I think it’s going on right now so I think Kennedy you described really well
That um that that that these battles are going on even as we’re speaking right now and um some of it gets kind of personal with people that we know and I sort of don’t want get too personal about it so I’m gonna kind of Will has some ideas so I’ll leave it to
Will yeah um I’m glad you brought up can I do one final idea I’m sorry go for it go for it okay so picking up I’m sorry well so picking up on your show last time we’ve heard about the Freemason level of everything you know the infiltration in the 19th and 20th
Century so the next level of it you picked up on that early on in this show uh Kennedy one of the critical piece pieces of that with um the idea of the Jewish project is that we’re um we’re anticipating the arrival of our Messiah the Messiah who you know logically if
Christians were able to speak and think clearly would be our Antichrist yes but part of what happened with this movement because it can both be an individual and and person that the kind of for the forces within organized naturalism or we could even say organized Judaism um have made themselves the
Messiah so that’s where this thing really gets touchy when you want to go there because that’s opening up something that Freemasonry simply doesn’t speak to it’s simply an arm of this organized uh naturalism um and that’s why increasingly just like after the Bolsheviks took power there’s increasingly going to be more uh hate
Legislation because in their mind you’re actually criticizing the Messiah when you criticize the movers and the Shakers among this religion and so that’s what we’re in for and the final chapter of in pursuit of the metaverse is when Christ becomes hate speech because Catholics of goodwi and uh for example however uh em
Eichel um interpreted this last document there is a direction to all this and it’s hard to not see the agenda and the agenda and the negotiation process within this ecumenical movement um there are free uh Masonic agents throughout but but what has been recognized the key players in this are Benet briff which
Are kind of at the head of that organized movement until we can kind of dare say something like this and again why do this well yes in the city of man there are no benefits you are not gonna get magic hits and the algorithms are not going to be pulled your way and
People are not going to be necessarily knocking on your door but there is a Liberation which you guys just alluded to before um that that is pretty important so yes when we think about these people themselves and some of these people might be on the world
Economic form and so forth as this whole show is externalized they’re more and more going to want to be treated uh like the ideas that they have of themselves as Messianic characters um sorry about jumping on your uh jumping on your Le I’m gonna do you one better because
We’re going to let will finish this off here but World economic Forum it drives me insane the amount of coverage that and I get it I get it people are trying to recognize the problems and I remember back during covid and the world economic Forum was
Getting all the press and all this kind of stuff and I said to a group of guys I said guys don’t you see this is a distraction like don’t you see that this is like the small potatoes I mean world economic form is bad but it’s like uh
It’s a form of like umbrella cap whatever it’s stakeholder capitalism it’s just a bunch of anyway like do you like don’t you see that there’s something worse than this and you got all your energy and you’re like man I’ve got to figure out every bloody thing CL
Schwab has ever said kab is a he’s he’s a business tycoon who’s got some crazy idea and like to wear space suits I mean he’s a dangerous guy as far as it goes but this guy is not the head of the snake you need to go much further than
This if you want to understand the the problem even with the vaccine I’m not pro to this vaccine everyone knows this but but it was there was a frenzy there was an absolute Frenzy went far beyond what was reasonable uh to try to understand this thing and I said listen
You are being guided like marionettes right here and they’re taking something that is truly wrong and they’re using this as like the whole of all of where your righteous indignation you’re not seeing what’s really being thrusted upon you which is much deeper than this thing particular that’s that’s I’ll leave it
At that but I’ll let you jump in will th those are both great uh segments there um I wanted to say I’m glad you brought up the issue of Polish message ISM in John Paul II I’m preparing the presentation on that right now actually and um yeah alluded to earlier
With his quoting from Adam misht who was this there’s this whole strand of cabalistic Polish messianism during the 19th century which actually stems out of Jacob Frank who was a Jewish Messiah antinomian um Redemption through sin uh uh a false Jewish Messiah who converted to Catholicism as a way to to rescue the
Sparks of the shikina um you know and all this sort of mystical calistic language but um yeah um John Paul II um there’s some literature on him uh that’s P roach roacha I think is the name it’s Liturgy of History it talks about the secret to understanding John Paul II’s
Pontificate is to understand polish messianism and he he talks about the uh the Jubilee of end of the new Pentecost of the New Millennium that’s coming in the year 2000 and that was his Messianic mission was to prepare for this year 2000 um so and you know we all see the
Kind of apocalyptic events that unfolded after that but um yeah I wanted to he also John Paul I second alluded to um asts as the golg gotha of the Modern Age and we’ve talked about before how like the worst event in history has been transposed onto that that event during
World War II um and I think uh you know his uh efforts in Catholic Jewish dialogue were a large part of this Shifting the ground of who is Sovereign who is the most Messianic figure uh so that you know if you want to if you want
To see The Hidden Hand of Freemasonry in the church look no further than Catholic Jewish dialogue um if you want to see uh popes meeting on a regular basis with Freemasons just Google Bay bth Pope Benedict the 16th B brith uh John Paul II you’ll find everything that you need
To know and where are the terms it’s all about um protecting uh the the Jewish exception the Jewish ability to claim the exception which um is important because we um draw heavily upon this uh political theor of those 20th century named Carl Schmidt who was actually a
Nazi but who um was very influential for all the brightest Jewish minds of the 20th century who were working in the field of um secular messianism um that led up to become the franker school so here’s this Nazi who’s um you know um a big influence on the
Frankfurt School and so his you know famous formula is Sovereign is he who decides the exception um and he pioneered this field of political theology uh which is defined by all significant concepts of the modern theory of the state are secularized secularized theological Concepts and so the way that you recognize the Messiah
Within this framework is the one who is Sovereign to decide the exception the one who can and say okay here was the here was the interior of the law and here’s the limit of the law and I I’m the one who maintains that limit by being able to exceed and transcend the
Limits of the law um so what is the precedent for all other people doesn’t apply to me and that he calls that a secular Miracle uh because it’s outside of the framework of um acceptable reality so what we can see here with the uscc CB documents and the the type of
Sovereign rights that were claimed over the council by the Jews in the aftermath of World War II has a very Messianic uh kind of sovereignty that’s being enacted over the church so if we if we look at um um uh Archbishop Leeves they have uncrowned him in chapter 29 this is what
He says about the Freemasons he says I can still hear it no more condemnations no more anathemus let us all at last get to get along together Freemasons what do you want what do you ask of us such as the question that Cardinal baa to ask Bay brith before the beginning of the
Council so here he’s identifying the bay brith as the head of the snake the super Lodge that determines uh the agenda for Freemasons worldwide uh the interview was announced by all the newspapers of New York where it took place the Freemasons answered that they that what they wanted was religious liberty that
Is all the religions put on the same footing the church uh must allar but here we are we’re going to the bay bth to announce that everyone’s going to be the same same footing so you know all are equal um but uh um you know some are
More equal than others and then Abraham hesel uh was one of the handlers for the benth and the second Vatican Council who worked Cardinal Baya he was also haer for Martin Luther King and uh what he identified as um the central um uh concern was this DSi charge that we’ve
Already alluded to and spoken about so um anyway yeah I think uh you know there’s there’s a you know seeing the Messianic uh trajectory here that um you know we uh we can claim extra legal rights um and we can claim a kind of authority over other world religions and
We can watch dog your religion and say what you can say about your own self and your own liturgy in your own self-contained spaces is the Hallmark of a Messianic um action yep that’s right and I’ll end here and it comes back to the what father fahe it’s a logical
Conclusion if your Messiah is the wrong one then they don’t want you to have that Messiah they want to prepare the way for their own Messiah this is what you would do if you believed in Messiah you want to you want to have domination over all the religions because you necessarily
Believe they’re false this is like they’re just being consistent it’s not even a conspiracy it’s just what the thing means anyway all right guys I’m terrible at self-promotion I totally forgot that I was supposed to tell people to sign up for my YouTube memberships and for my substack so if
You’re still watching thank you do that I don’t I mean I don’t think I’ll get a strike for this video maybe they won’t let me monetize it that’s just the way it is uh so really do sign up for my YouTube memberships my substack if uh if
That sort of thing comes uh ladies and gentlemen you can check the links in the description box for this podcast if you’re listening on iTunes or Spotify all the information for the Dr Dr deep State Channel and for Mr Hogan’s books will be there as well and uh I think
That’s about anything else uh left to promote or anything like that on your end guys no I’m good you’re good all right ladies and gentlemen the comments I might have to turn the comments off we’ll see what happens sometimes YouTube just turns them off uh let me know what
You think in the comments if you’re alloud and uh this has been the kened report until next time God bless you all thanks guys for coming on
source
