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INTERVIEW Fritz Springmeier & Joshua Abraham On Freemasonry and the Satanic Conspiracy

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Okay thank you for joining me on this Wednesday  March the 20th uh for the family industrial   complex podcast here on revolution. radio in  Studio B I’m not playing any intro or Bumper   Music I’m just going to get right to my two  guests um Joshua Abraham who I just met I guess  

About a month ago on a Twitter space um which was  hosted by um Isaac Kappy involving uh you know my   my subject that I’ve been studying and passionate  about uh speaking out about for quite uh a number  

Of decades uh child abuse child trafficking plus  a variety of other um topics came up and who is   the son of Larry Abraham who authored the 1971  book none dare call a conspiracy and returning   with me is Fritz springmyer uh who authored  several books um most notably Bloodlines of  

The Illuminati and I just want to say that when  I first heard uh Joshua Abraham about about a   month ago in the uh the ex space speaking um he  mentioned frit spring Meer he mentioned you your  

Name a couple of times uh as being a a mentor  of his and so I figured I would just reach out   to you Fritz and have uh the both of you on this  podcast um so I’m going to re you know just kind  

Of moderate um you know let both of you uh do  a lot of talking to uh hopefully Enlighten the   masses cuz we really are running out of time uh  and so Joshua how is Fritz spring Meer been your  

Mentor I’m I’m sorry I always forget to say  my own name um I’m your host Katherine with   a C Waters with Double T on revolution. radi  studio and one greatwork network.com of which   this will be replac tomorrow evening at 700 p.m.  eastern time so thank you both for being here  

Yeah thanks for having us thank you very much so  uh yeah Joshua how is Fritz your Mentor well um   it I think it was after my third appearance on  Coast to Coast with George Nory and um I it was  

So long ago I think it was on Facebook wasn’t it  Mr spring me that I reached out to you was it on Facebook what’s that that’s quite possible I it  it’s been such a long time I don’t remember the  

Specifics myself yeah it was a long time but I  reached out to him and um uh it was me and my   fiance at the time and we did a a FaceTime that  and you know ever since then I’ve just been you  

Know reaching out to Mr spring Meyer to you  know ask him what I should be reading and how   I should you know you know if some comes up  in the mainstream Media or a big event you  

Know Mr spring Meer has been there to you know  help me see through like a different picture of   everything and he’s been guiding me over the  years telling me um just what to read what to  

Look at out for it and if certain things happen  like pay attention to this and you know look at   this and during my Masonic infiltration Mr spring  Meer was there to really kind of you know point me  

In the right direction and like sometimes I would  get like you know have these anxiety attacks and   Mr spring me would you know be there to calm me  down and just you know walk me through certain  

Things and without Mr spring Meer I just really  think that I would not not be or could not have   achieved what I did in the Masonic LOD and with  his works over the years you know Bloodlines of   the Illuminati really you know helped me out  to really see like who’s involved who isn’t  

What to look for and what not to look for and  um I would just have to say Mr spring Meer has   kind of been like a really important factor  for me to do what I’ve done all these years  

So I just can’t thank him enough for it well on  my part I would I almost feel apologetic that I   haven’t done more for Joshua and I’m going to do  something more for him here like tomorrow this  

Is my 1991 book be wise Ser I don’t know can you  see that yeah can see that and Joshua has operated   without the knowledge of this book what was it  called Fritz what was the what was the name of  

The book be wise a serpent be wise a serpent yes  it came out in 1991 it’s about 800 pages long and   Joshua has been operating with my Bloodlines of  the Illuminati but he’s there’s a whole another  

Level to understand things so I’m going to send  him a gift copy of that book a gift because of   all his efforts um I think that they’re deserving  of of um a present and that will take him to a  

Whole new level of understanding and like I say  I feel apologetic that I haven’t done more for him well you you’ve been starting a family  Mr spring you have a a big family now I mean  

People don’t understand like how like much you’ve  done for me over the years and I just really feel   blessed to have you as a personal teacher and  Mentor because I know I would have never been  

Able to do what I did in the Masonic Lodge  without you so I just can’t thank you enough   Mr springme for always being there for me well  thank you I think that the audience would enjoy   hearing uh a synopsis of your infiltration  into the Masonic Lodge now I I will preface  

This um before he gets started is when he asked  me if he should infiltrated I told him no uh for   number of reasons but he did something that  uh one of the things I was concerned about  

Was that he was going to have to take oats and  he managed to sidestep that in an amazing way   and so without further Ado I I’ll let him do  his talk about what he did yeah it’s just um  

Man that oath that took years of reading to get  around just that little that little piece because   if you do that you know you are really B to this  Brotherhood you know and I just love it how Jesus  

Said it so like because for regular people they  wouldn’t understand what Jesus said about these   Oaths you know he said you know never swear an  oath on thine head because you cannot make one   hair either black or white and in first deegree  masonry these people are swearing on their head  

Like the oath of a an Entered Apprentice is if  you give up the secrets of a lodge you allow   them to Slit you from ear to ear and you do this  on the checkerboard of Freemasonry I mean for  

Regular people that would just fly and it did  for me at first when I first read the Bible I   didn’t understand what he was truly saying but  after going in and seeing these Masonic lodges   excuse me I understood what he was saying it’s  just like whoa like that’s amazing what what  

Else am I missing and then as time went on  I understood more what he said you know I am   the true Cornerstone which you Stone Builders  have rejected and that really blew me away and  

That oath man you just got to to get around  that it took me so long and so many years of   reading books but it was worth it because these  people who are coming out of masonry now like who  

Are exposing it they’ve taken that of and I just  didn’t want that on my should I didn’t want that   monkey on my back because you know I’ve read I’ve  read the nagamati library the Dead Sea Scrolls the  

Apocrypha and the King James several times and  I’ll be honest I cannot pin down the levels of   God’s forgiveness I know about the unforgivable  sin but I don’t know if masonry and taking that  

Oath is part of the unforgivable sin like I just  don’t know if it qualifies so just to be able to   not have that oath on my soul is it took it was  well worth the years it took of the reading to get  

Around that thing because it’s just not worth  it and I would say the amount of reading that   it took it was I I just learned so much in the  process and it was just a wonderful journey and

Church of Satan because honestly like I just felt  like the Church of Satan would just it to me it   just seemed like a bunch of like um people  that had been like rejected from society and  

There wasn’t a lot of like um occult importance  it was more of kind of like a rebellious you   know Gathering instead of like an ult Brotherhood  the Church of say just didn’t really appeal to me  

Because I saw it as more of an emotional Rebellion  instead of like a structured Brotherhood but as my   time in masonry I was wrong about that because  in the high levels of the Church of Satan it is  

Very structured but I went into masonry because  it’s basically like um the the Baseline and the   Cornerstone of all the cultism and so I went to a  lodge over um near Proctor Street where I’m from   in Tacoma and asked the worshipful master you  know what does it take to be amazing you know  

I understand to be one you have to ask one and and  you know he told me about the oath of light he you   know told me like pretty much wrote out a list of  books like a required reading and I was there for  

About 20 minutes and just went out the door and  I was just thinking man like how am I going to   get around that oath so I um few months later I  moved down to California which is pretty much uh  

In Los Angeles it’s like the mecca of the occult  there’s a it’s a incredible Gathering of warlocks   and witches and Masons and people who are involved  with these ult societies I mean there’s a branch   of the Otto and the theosophical society there’s  a lot of masonic lodges down there and it’s just  

Pretty much like I’d say for the west of the half  of the United States Los Angeles has the highest   concentration of occult activity by far the OT  the Otto isn’t that Alis Crowley right yeah is  

Um Alis he I don’t know if he started the Otto  I know he started the AA but I don’t know if he   started the Otto but he really developed the Otto  and going down to Los Angeles it was um there are  

So many Lodge especially out on the east side in  the Inland Empire of Los Angeles and you know my   Masonic Journey basically started down there so I  I got that information from the lodge of Tacoma I  

Started reading the book I moved down to LA and I  keep reading the meantime while having a job and   just having a life and it it was a long I think  I I was surprised how I kind of overread I was  

Because I was like I when I thought I was ready  to do it I I just had to read one more book you   know you know I was scared and so when I finally  had the gut to go in there I pulled off first  

Degree Entered Apprentice great and then you know  fellowcraft went awesome too and then when I came   up to the level of Master Mason when I kept when  I felt comfortable doing that that’s when things   really started to get you know break through and  started happening when I did the Master Mason  

Level and that’s when a lot of things just kind  of fell into place what does your dad say about   the Freemasons in his none dare call A consp iracy  book he mentions the Illuminati and mentions the  

Masons like my father was a part of the John Burch  society when he uh when that book was published   and you know was being sold but he doesn’t really  go into detail about that and nare he goes into  

Really good detail about the buic Revolution and  how the Federal Reserve was created and you know   just um he doesn’t really touch on the oul brother  that much I mean he mentions it but it’s more of  

Like um it’s an overview of how Global socialism  is you know pretty much taking over our world and   I just after reading that book I really wish that  he would have said certain things differently and  

Mentioned certain things but it was in 1971 so  you know it was a long time ago when he wrote   that book with Gary Allen and you know it was  just I’m I’m just glad to say that my father’s  

Book you know was such a success but honestly like  there’s just so much better books out there I mean   Bloodlines of the Illuminati I would say is right  there like ever since um even before I met frit  

Spring me um I went on Coast to Coast with George  Nory and they said give me three books and I said   King James Bible Protocols of Zion and Bloodlines  of the Illuminati you just you have those three  

You’re just your your mind and I think the whole  world read just those three books we wouldn’t   have such mind control and such deception today  because we because without Mr spring me’s work   like because of him we know who’s doing this to us  and that’s really important to actually pinpoint  

An enemy and and there’s so many people out there  who just don’t give you that you know they’ll   call them you know globalists or nationalists or  insiders you know like it’s just um it’s a lot of   deception in this so-called truth movement I like  to call it a Hal truth movement because there’s  

Just a right lcep here too so go ahead Mr spring  me so he brought up that his father was part of   the John bir society and John bir Society was  started by a Freemason by the way and it would  

Only go so far they built slides into the thinking  of people and so you you you would only your mind   would could only go so far and it wouldn’t go the  full limit of what you need to understand what is  

Going on in the world and and Joshua understands  that fully he he understands the limitations of   his father’s book now you also mentioned aliser  cley and one of the things that this book does is   it talks about a lot of very powerful occultists  like papus aliser Crowley um Theodore Roy um and  

Uh the author of of morals and Dogma Pike and all  these men I go in in that book and there’s others   too and I show all of the organizations that they  belong to so they like alisher cley was not only  

A 33rd degree uh um Freemason of the Scottish  right but he was all these other things whole   long list of organizations and branks that he  had and the same way with these other occultists   that I just mentioned so Freemasonry is a very  complicated subject because there’s many different  

Organizations that come under the umbrella of  Freemasonry and then there’s boxes within boxes   and there’s a lot going on there and like your  concern about families there’s a whole subject   in and I’m not going to open that Pandora SP but  as you know I work I’ve worked over the years  

With victims of trauma based mind control which  involves sexual abuse and a lot of this can be   targeted right back for the blame goes right back  to the Masonic Lodge but you have to understand   you’ve got boxes within boxes within box and so  he has gone to the craft degrees they’re called  

The Craft degrees there’s three degrees like  he said in witchcraft there’s three degrees and   that’s also called The Craft Freemasonry calls  itself the craft witchcraft calls itself the   craft there’s similarity and one of the things in  researching the Illuminati like I did working with  

People that came out of the Illuminati helping  people get out of Illuminati is they send their   young men to the Masonic Lodge to get training  and there’s even some Masonic references that   describe that a cultist use the Masonic Lodge to  train their their people so uh there’s even some  

Paper documentation of that happening besides the  testimony that people gave me so I just was going   to throw a little bit more in there to kind of uh  um broaden our picture of what we’re talking about  

Here Fritz can you just repeat the two uh types  of um sorry uh was it sacred that you sorry you   said it before the two different kinds of um oh  my God I I should have said it earlier I waited  

Too long to ask you to the craft yes the craft  sorry okay well Freemasonry with Freemasonry   says that there’s three degre okay well and they  call themselves The Craft in witchcraft they have   three degrees and they call themselves the crap  there’s there’s a lot of similarities between  

The two um but when you get to the three third  degree like he has where you’re a Master Mason   now you’re eligible to go to a lot of other  things and so the craft degrees that he was  

Talking about they’re called the Blue L and if  you go above that to the Scottish right they’re   called the Red Lodge and then above the 32nd  degree it’s called the purple Lodge and I was  

Talking about Alis Curley and I was talking about  Al ber Pike and a lot of these papis and a lot of   these other high ranking occultists some of them  were Illuminati members and they were in the 33rd  

Degree but they were also OT and all these other  uh organizations so um there there’s a lot there’s   so much to this subject I mean just mentioning the  word Freemasonry is is sort of like mentioning the  

Word United States history I mean okay that you  could you could write books and books and books   and fact so there’s a lot and um I just trying to  give us a a little broader picture of what we’re  

Talking about based on a couple of the things  that were brought up and so uh Freemasonry is   that the same thing as the Illuminati like no it’s  the hand on the glove yeah so the Illuminati want  

Their organization to be so secret it doesn’t  appear in real life and so they have to work   through organizations that are semi secet now the  Freemasons say that they’re not a secret society   that’s the what they publicly say but they they  say we’re we’re a fraternity with secret okay well  

They play a lot with word but at any rate they are  secret there are many secrets to pre masonry but   um they don’t want to call themselves a secret  society well the fact that you can go down the  

Street and see a masonic temple or Masonic Lodge  shows that they’re not as secret as the Illuminati   because the Illuminati ritual sites are not don’t  have they don’t have a sign this is a mother of   Darkness castle for highlevel Illuminati females  you know there aren’t signs out um but you you  

You do know where a masonic temple is um and that  doesn’t mean you you’re going to be able to get in   to see a ritual like like Joshua did um and Joshua  I’ll I’ll let I’ll turn it over to him because I  

Don’t want to dominate the the discussion here  go ahead Josh yeah it’s just um when you get in   there you know and Fritz is absolutely right like  the Illuminati is not something you’re gonna find  

On Google or Google Maps it’s just uh I in my  experience and from what I saw and from what I   was told and just make you know having experiences  with these high level Masons is it just seems like  

There’s a lot of brotherhoods out there that we  don’t even know the name of like there’s a lot   of secret societies like we always hear about the  Otto or the rosac crucians but you know you you  

Kind of get the feeling that and you kind of get  the gist that there are societies that we don’t   even know the names of that they’re out there  and masonry is um those monthly stated meetings   that they have you know there’s nothing nefarious  going on there’s nothing like sacrifice or like  

That you know they’re very um very structured  they’re um they talk a lot about their charity   work you know they talk about who wants to join  the lodge and you know something that really was   kind of interesting to me is that members of  masonry can actually take loans from the lodge  

They don’t even have to go through banks and they  don’t have to pay interest rates so I thought that   was a really interesting thing about masonry  how you know we were sitting there in a stayed  

Meeting one time and they were talking about oh  brother so and so needs a loan and you know I was   thinking maybe like a couple thousand no this  was like a loan this was like a big loan and  

With no Usery to it so that’s like another perk  you know and in these monthly stated meetings   you know surprisingly they still say the Pledge of  Allegiance and surpris that’s some I haven’t heard  

In a long time like they always face to the East  and they say the Pledge of Allegiance and they do   um you know they do their Masonic studies and  I think the the monthly stay meeting is pretty  

It’s you know people who’ve never been in these  things they really push it up to be something like   nefarious like these are really they’re not that  they’re kind of boring actually these stated being   they’re really boring because it’s all it’s about  business it’s about charity it’s about who wants  

To join who can join and then they’ll lightly you  know some State means they’ll lightly touch on   like you know current events and talk about like  oh and you know this brother over here is having  

A book study and over here you know we have an  esoteric book study at this Lodge and you know   this the monthly State meeting um it’s just kind  of like a run through of like what’s going on  

Within the Brotherhood I mean there are there is  some ritual aspect to it but not a lot and but you   see more of the ritual aspect like during um an  initiation ceremony or when someone advances up  

The ladder of masonry and I would have to say the  Masonic esoteric book studies is where that really   changed everything for me because that’s where you  know you really learn what masonry is and like the   inner function and like what is their goal like  what do these people actually believe right and so  

I would just have to say um you know the monthly  you know having dinner with these guys and doing   the monthly St meetings was one thing but the  Masonic esoteric book and bible studies that was  

A whole another thing and you know there’s a lot  of Masons who never go to these book studies and   these Bible studies they just they pay their you  know Masonic bill they go to the stated meeting  

And they keep on good terms and that’s it but  there and those are what we call specul Masons   but the operative Masons that I like to associate  myself with are the people who did the reading  

Who’ve done the study who go to these lectures  and they go to these book studies and they really   listen to what these highlevel Masons have to say  because man it was just really interesting to go   uh in La they have Manley P Hall’s private Library  the philosophical research society and there was  

A lot of book studies and Masonic gatherings in  there and that was pretty cool to see you know   on the stage Manley P Hall’s legendary you know  seat where he always sat to do his like lectures  

And his recorded you know his um recorded um  statements and lectures to the Masons and going to   that place it was really interesting to see like  how much money they put into these this Masonic   library and and it was a really interesting  experience when you actually find out what these  

People at the high level because at the low levels  you know they just think it’s a Christian charity   thing but when you get up to like 31st 32nd 33rd  degree that’s when you start learning what it   really like is all about and what they truly  believe in and it’s um it’s lifechanging when  

You understand what it really is what can you tell  us absolutely um the thing is is uh basry is it’s   like Christianity has like um certain divisions  or um branches like there’s Catholics and there’s   Protestants and Christianity masonry has four  branches to it and that’s Hinduism there’s the  

Hindu the Muslim the luciferian and the Christian  and this goes to the four holy books of the 33rd   degree which is represented by the lion the ox the  eagle and the man which is also represented by the   four elements of the Earth itself and when you  understand there are denominations within masonry  

It really kind of breaks you through it’s not just  it’s not Christian it’s not just luciferian like   they’re they take the Muslim and the Hindu Faith  also extremely seriously and the four holy books   of the 30 third degree are the Quran the King  James the babita followed with the four vas and  

The Book of the law by aliser Crowley now when I  saw these four holy books the book of the law by   Alistar Crowley really kind of threw me off I was  like what the hell is that doing in there and the  

Masons that showed me these four holy books were  telling me that that used to be the Egyptian Book   of the Dead But when Alis Crowley made contact  with this thing called ewos over in Cairo they   felt within the ult circles that his work could  was good enough to to replace the Egyptian Book  

Of the Dead that’s been there for so long and  that just let me that just told me that wow   like he really did it like he really made contact  if if they’re going to replace a holy book of The  

Occult of the Egyptian Book of the Dead that’s  been there for who God knows how long but if   they’re going to replace that with the book of  the LW that just told me like yeah he was the  

Real deal absolutely Josh I was just wondering  if you could bring um the camera a little bit   closer to you cuz you’re a little far and then  there’s like a lot of seiling above you and yeah  

It’d be good to just get a really good okay is  that okay um um okay I mean it’s better let me   jump in here yeah go ahead for so going back to  some of the things he’s talked about uh one perk  

Um it that the lodge has is they’re taxfree their  properties are tax which is really nice um and oh   I I I’m spacing up oh okay I was going to mention  that a number of leading Masonic figures like HG  

Wells HG Wells is considered a masonic prop he  said that the one world religion in the future   would be Freemason and aliser Bailey and she’s got  a long resume of things that she did and she wrote   externalization of the hierarchy which explains  how the New World Order is going to come in and  

Who’s going to control it and she said Freemasonry  will be the religion of the future Freemasons will   like to say that they don’t have a religion but  there there is one and I think that it’s important   for for Joshua to explain luciferianism because  that’s what we’re talking here that’s that’s the  

The brand of of masonic religion that’s going to  win out over these other three yeah luciferianism   it is uh I would have to say it is the most  structured and most well-funded religion on   the face of the Earth like the the luciferian  like people think like oh it’s just like you  

Know Satanism and no luciferianism is all about  balance and I can’t stress that enough like if   you’re going to be a luciferian you know this is  you better have a lot of money to it because this   is not cheap to be a luciferian you better be  a very well-respected figure in your community  

Like when I talk about luciferian like when I talk  about how about a Satanist like that’s very front   view but a luciferian their whole religion is  to have this front to the public this trusted  

You know love from the public I’m talking like  a judge or like a a mega church pastor or like a   doctor you know but behind closed doors you know  you get dark and I you know we can all you know  

Kind of get an image or a picture of what I’m  trying to talk here but yeah luciferianism is   all about balance and that’s actually what really  was interesting to me about luciferianism is that   out of the out of the three others you know like  Hinduism and um uh um Christianity and the Muslim  

Faith the part of the belief of luciferianism it  wasn’t just the religion itself but having the   trusted image from the public is actually a part  of that religion like you have to have this love  

And this trust from the world and they belief  is the more love you have in the front and the   darker you go behind the scenes and behind the  doors that is the essence of your power like the  

More love you can bring up to the front and how  and to just go as dark as you can behind closed   doors and the ritual that is the very essence of  your luciferian power and what you understand that  

Your good deeds have to balance your bad Deeds  that’s what the Illuminati is all about yes yes   what is the difference sorry the difference  between luciferianism and Satanism Satanism   is more of like it’s an it’s more all about ego  it’s all about consumption like me me me I I like  

I have learned that when people say Satan like  Satanism it’s more of kind of like a rebellious   it’s a religion of rebellion I would say and it  really kind of um interested me and kind of made  

Me think like if when you read the Satanic Bible  they say oh we don’t believe in Lucifer we’re just   all about ego and consumption but when you get  into the ritual book of Satanism they talk about  

Lucifer a lot and they you know they talk about  the inoi and keys you know they brush you know   slightly on Freemason ritual how it coincides to  theirs and you know I like it how they talk about  

They always call out the shemam farash and that’s  straight from the cabala that’s all about you know   Alistar Crowley talks about shemam farash the  unified name of the 72 demons from the goaa you  

Know and they call that name out a lot the ritual  and I think Satanism I mean when you look at these   Satanic rituals there there’s one with a Tesla  cord that um you know it’s all about confined  

Space and it’s just really different luciferianism  is very um it’s dark it’s like as dark as you can   go because when you Le read like The Book of  Satanic ritual in comparison to um Alistair   Crowley’s on the Lesser Keys of Solomon and like  that book magic practice and theory in the book  

Of the law that you know explains how black magic  works it’s you know they specifically say you know   a young child under the age of 10 around eight  years old of high intelligence you know white a  

White child with blonde hair blue eyes like they  want like they have a very strict guideline what   kind of victim that they want to give you the most  powerful Essence and energy and when you when you  

Go into these rituals and you see how Luci it’s  just so um it’s so structur like there’s a lot   of preparation for it too like in Satanism you can  have a space and a you know your robe and you know  

You can you know it’s luciferian takes a lot more  steps and a lot more proceedings to actually have   the ritual take place and get the results that you  want like let’s just say um in Luci like just give  

You an example like your dagger for the luciferian  ritual like there are some rituals where you have   to like pray over this dagger on certain days of  the week at certain times and blow like a certain  

Like like um like a fragrance or like um um like  um an essence or like it could had be like mer or   like Sage or whatever like there’s just so many  and then the magician himself he can’t eat meat  

For like three weeks he can’t engage in any sort  of sexual activity for like the past month like   there’s just it’s all about vibration it’s all  about vibration whether it be in the human in   the people that are involved in the ritual and  in the vibration in the tools that they use and  

I’m talking about colors of candles that you know  send out different you know like a purple candle   in comparison to a red candle the purple candle is  going to have a lot bigger or stronger frequency  

To it and it’s just it’s so structured and it’s so  amazingly like it’s so amazingly um organized and   I just really feel that if people knew how serious  luciferianism was they would take they wouldn’t um   they would think much more seriously of how  bad of a situation we are in because we have  

Luciferians in our government like crazy right  now can I so um I’m I’m you know quite familiar   with like for instance the Franklin scandal and  I read the the the Franklin cover up and the   Franklin Scandal book um so is that luciferian  or Satanism yeah that’s luciferianism when you  

Have like a daycare or like a church bringing in  children you know it’s like and when you hear the   testimonies of these children that is pure sa  like pure luciferianism not sanism I would say   it’s luciferianism because involves children and  involves you know a lot of human sacrifice and you  

Know their experiences that they were explaining  to in these testimonies is just um it’s just it’s   like really dark Lucifer and maybe as dark as  you could go but yeah I wouldn’t classify it as   Satanism by any stretch of the imagination and  you know things like Jeffrey Epstein or when I  

First heard you speak in the ex space again about  I don’t know a month or so ago um and and you had   the Isaac Cappy um I mean you know of course it’s  not Isaac Cappy because he’s no longer around but  

Uh like someone kind of advocating for what  he was exposing uh like in Hollywood um and   also I believe um in that space you were um also  talking about I I I mean maybe I’m mistaken on   this the children being trafficked at the border  currently um the migrant children is that um was  

That part of you know cuz I mean I yeah we brushed  on that we talked about it and I was saying like I   believe like from everything I know about the dark  occult circles I believe and this is another thing  

I learned in Freemasonry like they they told us in  a book study that they have a due date for their   third temple on Temple Mount they have to have  that done by 2030 and when I heard that that just  

Instantly made me think of the Heavenly timeline  because if you know the Heavenly timeline you   know three and a half years before that Temple is  finished the Antichrist appears on the scene and   then three and a half years after that Temple’s  finished Jesus returns to judge Antichrist and  

I remember talking about those children at the  border because I would I believe if I can remember   right like I believe I was talking about like how  I believe that this surge of these immigrants at  

The border it’s not just um that’s not what for  Democrat votes it’s not for like job you know   filling jobs or anything like that I personally  believe that these children they’re letting all  

This in to because if they if I if the temple has  to be done by 2030 they’re getting ready for the   Antichrist and I believe that includes a lot of  child sacrifice we got a lot of people missing  

Down at the border I mean last time I checked it  was like 85,000 people are just off like vanished   so this if I was an occultist thinking like they  do like this would be a perfect time and a perfect  

Chess move if you want to get the the Earth’s  vibration just right and they have to do that   like there’s a reason why they do their rituals  on these lay lines because they have to get that  

Frequency beamed out over the world um I want to  jump in here yeah goad please I’m going to put in   some context and and a lot of this will be in that  by Serpent’s book that I’m going to send Joshua  

But it’s important to understand the Illuminati  and how they how they relate to Freemasonry   okay yes so the in my book Bloodlines of the  Illuminati I talk about their 13th bloodline the   holy bloodline which is Maro they are connected to  the House of David right the head of the aluminati  

Has the House of David blood in him Traves and  a number of other Bloodlines go way back to the   house of David and I have not really fully exposed  all of these Bloodlines in the Illuminati that are  

Of the House of David that’s something I haven’t  done um but I I bring out about the 13th illuminar   bloodline well the 13th one of the families of  that Merovingian 13th bloodline that’s Illuminati   or the Sinclair the sin Clair’s Sinclair family  were given hereditary leadership of Freemasonry  

Way back there when it got started and then as you  go through the levels if you get up to the high   levels of the Scottish right then you are eligible  to go to the right of misum you have to be in the  

Right of misum to be Pro part of the prior of Zion  the prior of Zion is a group that protect this   holy bloodline of the Illuminati so um if you go  back and look at the Scottish right and how it got  

Started there were four Jews that were involved  in starting it two Frenchmen two Scots and two   uh um two Irish and and then an Episcopalian  who I think may be English um that’s that’s the  

Origin so the majority of people that started it  were Jews one of one of them was a rabbi a very   important Rabbi in Charleston and it was started  in the in Charleston South Carolina because that  

Was the epicenter of the Jewish population in in  the new world so one of the things that they have   hidden they have pretended like Freemasonry is  anti-jewish so the the whole Jewish thread within   their hierarchy and everything is not there the  reason I bring this up is is from the beginning  

The building of the Third Temple what they call  the Third Temple which they’re they’re working   on over there in Israel that has been a major  Masonic project from the start and see yeah this   third Temple is important to Freemasonry and you  would go why they’re not Jews well yeah there is  

A very strong there’s a lot of rituals in the  higher degrees that are are Jewish ritual and   and then a lot of Hebrew is mixed in with the  the magic and everything so you know uh I just  

Wanted to give a little bit more uh broaden our  picture of what’s going on here so um so Fritz you   mentioned what’s going on in Israel I mean so is  like this whole uh Palestine thing some kind of uh

Ritual from one angle it would be yeah um I  mean like yeah I mean it it it’s it’s of all   these innocent people right that in from there’s  different ways to look at things but yeah one way  

Of looking at it for for from these luciferians  is it’s a sacrifice that’s a lot of sacrifice I   mean that’s a lot of s I mean I mean for seven  it’s like it’s more than 75 years people kind  

Of they’ve been focusing on since October the  7th until now um when I hear people talk about   it a lot but um I you know I have like a a lot  of questions so um be let me ask this question  

I mean I might kind of be backtracking a little  bit but is the 33rd like the the highest level of   this Freemason does it go higher and how high  does it go and I mean I guess to ask how old  

Freemasonry is would just be kind of ridiculous  it’s like hundreds probably you know thousands   of years old well uh you know there’s 33 degrees  in the Scottish right and you have to get to the   33rd degree By Invitation you don’t you can’t  on your own become a 33rd degree premat um it’s  

Honorary it’s honorary 33rd degree Freemasons  too but there’s 180 de um so you can go the full   circle circles are important but you have to go to  other rights you can’t you can’t get it all in the  

Scottish right and there are a lot of ultic right  there’s the right of Memphis there’s the right of   misraim there’s um oh right off hand I can’t  think of some of the others but um the PAB um  

Pabon uh right uh there’s there’s a whole bunch of  rights that get even more you know societ societi   Anglia uh no sost Ros of Christiana in Anglia um  which is s a or s r i a is the abbreviation of it  

Um so there’s a whole bunch of extra rights and  groups that you can go into um you know and and   besides a plethora of of other groups just like  the Shriners or whatever you know um so yeah when  

When you say how many degrees are there most  Freemasons are going to tell you three degre   the other you know yeah yeah they’re not going  to they’re not going to tell you there’s 180° or   something like that because the the blue Lodge is  three degrees and that’s what Joshua understands  

Really well um I just wanted to say in about  two minutes a minute and a half actually one   minute now the um top of the hour break is going  to music is going to start so you know it’s it’s  

A couple of minutes long so then uh you know  we’ll move into the second hour um you know um   so let me see okay so let me ask this is um you  know like people like Kathy obrien and what she  

Exposed um is that Freemason like all that CIA MK  Ultra I mean is the CIA Freemason um or you know   how does how does that go well maybe I’ll jump  in here because I’ve I’ve been researching this  

Stuff for many decades you got a lot of overlap  okay and this is why I I when I’m out there   publicly speaking I say you can’t you can’t put a  label to them I mean there are many Freemasons in  

Very important positions like in the CIA MI6 MI5  right in the Archbishop of cannabis is who’s the   head of the Church of England if if you discount  the fact that the British royal family are the head um Fritz springmyer author of Bloodlines of  the Illuminati and other um incredible writing um  

Educating the masses of you know what’s going on  uh in the shadows and um Joshua Abraham the son of   Larry Abraham who co-authored a book that I have  not read but I I started it I you know you sent me  

The link and I have been reading it um none dare  call a conspiracy of which um Alex Jones said that   that was the book that woke him up um I would love  to talk about the Federal Reserve um that’s like  

One of my um I mean I I think it’s ridiculously  important for people to understand the monetary   system and how it really um has been um you know  controlled uh weaponized to enslave people um   does anybody want to start that or want to take  this Mr springme can I finish my thought before  

Yeah yeah that’s right that’s right go ahead  oh thanks so let’s say you’re you’re a young   man and because your family’s a masonic family  you join deay then you join the first degree The   Apprentice degree um and you go to these meetings  and like Joshua is saying at the meeting they’re  

Going to discuss their Charities they’re going  to discuss who they’re going to initiate and then   you join the CIA and then the CIA teaches you  how to torture people including how to torture   women and children now what organization is made  you evil you can’t just say well that guy’s a  

Freemason therefore he’s evil right that that’s  um that’s not the way to think if it you know   what’s happened is is that person’s been damaged  by his what’s happened when he was in the CIA and  

Now he goes overseas and he tortures people so  uh you have to be careful at doing a blanket uh   condemnation of everybody who’s been affiliated  with Freemason because uh Albert Pike said that   the lower levels are deceived and you will labor  in vain to undeceive them they think that they’re  

In a Good Charity a good organization that does  benev yeah they don’t realize the full scope of   things anyway I wanted to throw that out before we  got there there are many different organizations   that are evil and we shouldn’t just we just  shouldn’t say all evil resides in Freemasonry  

That’s just not true well it’s um organizations  that are worse than that that have infiltrated and   manipulated uh freem Mason um I mean in in a lot  of you know big corporations it’s like that um you  

Know the people the down below or you know kind  of maybe think that they’re working for a good   Corporation and doing good things and of course  having no I maybe some H have some idea of what  

The um you know the larger the corporation and  of course course it’s going to be even more so so um um I mean is is the Federal Reserve does that  sound like a something good to to to chew on next  

Well I think Mr springme can will know a lot more  about that than I would because honestly I really   about the Federal Reserve I just say and the fed  and that’s pretty much my knowledge about it I  

I mean cuz I was just reading that part in uh  your dad’s book and I’m uh again I have a lot   of familiarity with the FED um kind of learned a  lot about it that you know it’s not a government  

Bank it is a private for-profit uh bank and that  um uh so I’m I’m just going to kind of uh maybe   I’ll just say with uh what Katherine Austin Fitz  has been saying for a while that the government  

Doesn’t even need to B borrow at at interest  um so you know is it just like a hard habit to   break I mean I I’ll jum in here yeah you take it  yeah so the bottom line is is that the Illuminati  

Created the Federal Reserve which is a central  bank and it works to their benefit yeah and the   stockholders of the Federal Reserve have been  Illuminati Kingpin that’s been very kept very   secret and like nowadays what they’re doing is is  they’re actually funneling trillions of dollars  

Of Federal Reserve dollars to other Illuminati  King pits and they do that by the Federal Reserve   knows where these Illuminati kingpins have their  stock and then the Federal Reserve will quietly   put in millions and billions of dollars into  that stock making their own people rich and it  

It’s all done and nobody even questions it the  the first check that the government writes when   it collects taxes is they write a check to the  Federal Reserve paying them for the right to use   their money see that Federal Reserve Note is not  an American government note it’s it comes from a  

Private bank in fact I even when I was doing um  I I was helping I was doing paralal work and I   was looking into the federal law book and I came  across the case where a where a judge actually  

Said in open court he said the Federal Reserve  has nothing to do with the federal government   I should have photocopied off that case because  it you know it it’s hard to convince some people   because because the word Federal is attached to  you know it’s like FedEx I think FedEx is part of  

Government it isn’t it’s run by the Roth Childs  too and you know that that there’s very large   power behind bed X and Federal Reserve that they  can use the name Federal and get away with if you  

Or I started a company and we called it Federal we  would get in trouble legally because they were say   they would say well we’re masquerading as the  government yeah but these Illuminati kingpins   on jackon island can create the Federal Reserve  and get away with calling it Federal instead of  

Central Bank of United States or whatever um so  yeah uh it’s doing a lot of Nefarious things and   it’s ruined our our it it’s allowed us to have a  dishonest Financial system ABS unfortunately so   that the rich get richer and they can manipulate  things however they want to their own satisfaction  

Um so again in in the the part under the Federal  Reserve in uh the book none dare call a conspiracy   um and it talked about uh JP Morgan uh you  know essentially like fund uh funding both  

Sides in the the Bolshevik Revolution and World  War I and um here let me just see no Revolution   can be successful without organization and  money the downtrod masses usually provide   little of the former and none of the latter  but insiders at the top can arrange for both  

Um yeah in the Bolshevik Revolution we have  some of the world’s richest and most powerful   men financing a movement which claims its very  existence is based on the concept of stripping   uh of stripping of their wealth men like the Roth  Charles Rockefeller shift warberg Morgans harmans  

Milner um but obviously these men have no fear  of international communism it is only logical   to assume that if they finance it and do not fear  it it must be because they control it can there be  

Any other explanation um you’re going to so  I mean like so what can be done about about this what can be done about it yeah  like how do the people get power back well I would say it’s way past that point  if you really want to be honest brutally honest  

I think we’re way past the threshold and if  we you know I just I just think I just laugh   at these people and I I’m probably definitely  wrong but when people say oh we’re gonna take   back our government peacefully yeah yeah I know  it’s like wow like and I thought I was delusional  

When I was against like I just think right now  we’re even past the point of rising up in arms   of the Second Amendment that’s the way I think  I think it’s just too far gone there’s too many  

People paid off you know the zionists completely  control our white house and our Congress it’s just   now we got uh you know Republicans passing  speech laws against Zionism and calling it   hate speech we can’t and quote Revelation 2:9 in  Revelation 3:9 that term synagogue of Satan is  

Now hate speech it’s like wow like the Bible  prophesies that a couple thousand years ago   so you know you you me think it’s hilarious you  mentioned Zionism so is Zionism luciferianism or   Satanism is that yeah I would say Zionism is the  the whole PR that’s the group of people that are  

Doing this to us and there’s a lot more Christian  zionists I I believe that Zionism is the Crux of   it all like whether you want to call it you know  luciferianism or whatever it’s just um it’s just  

A group of people that just you know care about  the protection of Israel more than the United   States and I’m sure Mr spring Meer has a very  different interpretation of it but in my opinion   I just think Zionism is the one group of people  that Jesus warned us about and for very good  

Reason because these people who say they’re  Jews but are really not these are just dark   luciferian talmudic just yeah they’re not going  by the Torah they’re not they’re definitely not   praying to Jehovah and I think if people really  uh busted open that talet and see what that had  

To say it would really wake a lot of people up but  you know what’s really interesting to me and I say   this a lot of my interviews getting people to read  these days is asking a a little Infantry child to  

Drive a car getting people to read anything  these days if it’s not given to people on a   YouTube documentary [ __ ] they don’t even want  to know about they don’t even dedicate the time   to it it’s really interesting to me how people  just they just can’t read anymore and I think  

That people would just read and turn off that TV  and turn off their Netflix like I just think it’d   be a lot of different world yeah so absolutely  Fritz did you want to say something about Zionism  

Oh there’s a lot to say about it yeah I can’t  wait to hear I’ve exposed Zionism but please I   do it rather in a low-key way because it’s not  something that’s popular to expose um and they  

Have convinced people that this is a great project  and really what’s happened is is they have created   the state of Israel in the Middle East to create  turmoil and it’s created all kinds of turmoil and  

And war after war and this is what they wanted  they wanted all of this this turmoil you go back   and look at at who created Israel and the major  uh impetus behind it all was the Rothchild and   the first American Zionist uh was Pastor Charles  ta Russell who started the Jehovah’s Witnesses and  

I’ve exposed the Jehovah’s Witnesses as being  an Illuminati front and so when he went around   the world when he talked to the Jews he’d say  as a Jew to a Jew do the Russell family if you  

Want to track it goes back to to Jewish blood but  anyway he would to the Jews he would say I am a   Jew speaking to you um he is buried in a Masonic  Cemetery and whenever he would meet Masons he  

Would give them the correct rips and the password  but when somebody asked him if he was a Freemason   he said no I’m just doing that to get along with  the premon yeah well how did he learn learn all  

Those scripts and password if he’s not a Freemason  why is was he buried secretly in a toga underneath   a pyramid in a Masonic Cemetery um anyway he was  a Freemason and i’ I’ve known a couple people that  

Actually saw his Masonic membership but there’s  an example of someone who was a Freemason kept it   hidden not all the free not all the Freemasons in  history will tell you that they’re are Freemason   some of them keep their membership secret and he  was one of them and people people today say that  

I’m wrong calling him a Freemason because Charles  T Russell said he wasn’t a Freemason but he was   the original Zionist so here we have three things  connected this guy was in Illuminati bloodline he   was a Freemason and he was the first Zionist to  come along and um he was able to preach Zionism  

Because to the goam to the non-jewish people  he said I’m a Christian minister and um so he   was kind of a chameleon and then getting back to  what you’re interested in he also if you read his   testimony uh under oath he’s actually in our state  now different states have different levels of but  

He was a child molested um was so uh you know  but he didn’t get prosecuted for that but his   testimony um see here in Kansas if you’re an adult  and you have a child and you grope and feel that  

Child all over that’s that’s child m station even  though you don’t actually have sex with your child   at the time when he admitted that it wasn’t sexual  molestation he didn’t go to prison but at least in   my state um it would be consider that would be  admitting uh sexual molestation and who knows  

What he actually did but um at least that’s what  he admitted because it was safe and so um Zionism   and and what is currently going on and been going  on for decades uh in Palestine like that is just  

All part of their I mean you know I know that like  the Zionist plan is to just completely eliminate   all of these people out of there have the land the  the gas reserves that are that are there um but is  

Is the like the child sacrifice in Palestine  and and pretty much all over the world uh   you know children being uh tortured you know the  whole adrenochrome thing is that kind of part of

It I know sorry if I’m I I would say it’s I  Mr spring mire would you agree that the whole   adrenochrome thing is basically the heart and  soul of it all well it’s one reason sacrifice   but there’s many reasons to sacrifice  children or sacrifice other people it’s  

Not just adrenal Chrome that’s just one out of  about a dozen reasons um see when you when you   there’s different ways to look at these groups  and like Freemasonry you know they say that they   don’t speak about religion and politics in the  LOD if you look at Dragon Lodge in Boston they  

Their minutes for the lodge they closed the lodge  meeting early so they could discuss the Boston   Tea Party What’s called the Boston ke party  now um so so yeah they do use the lodge for  

Other things um I lost my train of thought there  but um oh as to why people are sacrificed these   organizations uh can you know a lot of criminal  activity has been done in the lodes but not in  

Official lodge meeting they’re they’re just they  use the lodge as a cover um well likewise in the   Illuminati it’s a really one way to look at it is  a bunch of criminals and if you join a criminal  

Gang like in LA like he Liv in La they’re going to  tell you if you want to join a neighborhood gang   here go take this handgun and shoot that Grandma  over there and then you can be initiated into the  

So they want you to do a crime the one of many  why they they uh sacrifice people is the coven   that sacrifices that person you you then become a  participant in a crime you know it’s it’s because   it’s a criminal Enterprise uh murdering someone  there’s no statute of limitations on murder so  

There’s many different reasons besides AR adrenal  but yeah it it I I would phrase it this way to   you um cat is there’s only one conspiracy and  it’s a satanic conspiracy right and that’s why   people need to understand what the scriptures say  about evil and Satan and all of this because the  

Illuminati is trying to duplicate The Apocalypse  of of the Book of Revelation and if you understand   the Bible you understand what’s going on and  you’ll understand how to purify yourself to   be the person that isn’t sucked into it so you  just made me think of you know because I’m doing  

Um the podcast today in uh Mark Paso’s Studio  of what on Earth is happening.com and we’re   always talking all the time um and without even  knowing it it’s like the public so many of the   public are almost like Satanist with you know  just be just being a part of the system just  

Um you know I’m just uh I mean for for decades  I mean I guess I’m just going to I mean things   were just so clearly something was wrong early  on in my life you know going back decades and  

I start just start I mean you know for me it was  a health and fitness thing that’s what I focused   was just abuse abusive relationships dysfunctional  relation relationships and just what health was   mentally physically and spiritually and where  put on this Earth to self-actualize and just  

Reach our healthy potential in mind body and  spirit and be in alignment with the the laws   of nature like that I I was kind of I thought  fairly simple thing um for the average person to  

Be able to understand but it was so normalized uh  for people to live at such a reduced I mean I’ve   just come to call it like being disabled like  really being a physically and mentally disabled   person and yet people are walking around like  that like it’s normal um anything against how  

Natural law Works anything um I mean I’ve been  obsessed my whole life with being in alignment   with natural law because I mean everybody that I  was surrounded by was deviated making up whatever   they wanted denying the facts and the reality  that were literally staring right in front of  

Them going de deviating over the decades so  far away from being in alignment with you   know the laws of nature and just health and and  fitness me mentally physically and spiritually   and I mean it wasn’t being called satanic  but it really to in in all these degrees it

Is yes right so we live in a cult of death  this culture is a culture and Cult of death   totally um I mean you know the average public  I mean I the healthier a person is I of course  

I feel like they’re going to feel it and have  that healthy adverse response to it that um you   know in in going back decades in my experience  was pathologized like being a healthy vibrant   youth um mentally physically and spiritually and  functioning like we’re supposed to was turned  

Into a pathology and like criminalized um and  and so uh being kind of beaten into submission   what I started calling after covid how our  P psychological or emotional immune system   was basically dismantled making us you know just  completely obedient and submissive and again you  

Know making that healthy psychological immunity  and dissent and rebelliousness like a crime and   and people to this day don’t even realize that  which is why I try to stress health and fitness   and really building our health and and um you  know through you know meditation yoga practice  

All of that for for decades see these laws of  nature were established by God and so by going   against these laws of nature that God established  people are going against God absolutely all of   God’s creation all of God’s animals out there know  that there’s two Sexes except these politically  

Correct people you know they don’t know what  the rest of creation uh intrinsic and they’ve   criminalized anybody thinking that there are only  two Sexes and over in California large percentage   of the students are being told that they’re not  the sex that they they they were born and so  

They’re mutilating their bodies because they’re  told that they’re another sex oh is it I mean   the deviation I mean it it was far are you know  in my experience five decades ago and and I’ve  

I’ve I did my best I was not very successful at  getting people cuz it’s hard uh I you know I I   can’t stop talking about Fitness because uh you  know it’s so worth it to be uncomfortable to um  

You know do what you’re supposed to do on this  Earth be what you’re supposed to be acknowledge   that you’re misaligned and then do your best to  work towards being aligned but there’s too many  

People that are just so um you know I have this  funny line from the movie Jaws and it’s not we   need an a bigger boat it’s um Chief Brody when he  says why don’t we start leading the shark back to  

Shore instead of him leading us out to seea like  I feel like so many people have they’re they’re   like they’re they they’re already like so far out  into um treacherous territory and they just keep   getting further brought out because they don’t  even know that they’re brought out and to start  

Going back towards because they don’t have they  don’t have any mental direction you know and you   know you can be in the best shape possible you  can be as healthy as you can be but if you don’t  

Have the knowledge or the mentality to go in the  right direction doesn’t doesn’t really matter and   that’s what I see every day it’s just it’s really  frustrating because if people would just just take   their time nobody wants to know it that’s what’s  so frustrating to me nobody cares so let me ask  

You this Jason because you know you similar to  Mark Pio can you said you can understand his   frustration so maybe you could right elaborate  on on that a little well I like you know when I  

See Mark Pio talk about you know you know when he  goes on every Sunday I just feel this frustration   you know just look around you know what do people  care about they care about the Super Bowl you know  

They care about entertainment wrestling this is  why we’re GNA lose yeah you know this is why you   know we deserve what we get because not a lot of  PE you know people don’t care and this is why when  

I do interviews I’m not trying to tell people to  grab their guns and go to Washington DC because   we’re way past that I’m just trying to save Souls  now that’s all I’m in it for is just trying to  

Save Souls because I think honestly like even  back 2,000 years ago when Satan tempted Jesus   in the wilderness I Think Jesus knew even back  then it was too far gone like Satan had it all   wrapped up in a package and he already conquered  the world back then you know so 2,000 years later  

I think that the best thing we can do is just get  people’s hearts ready for what’s about to happen   and for them to have the knowledge of the word  of God so they don’t have any fear going forward  

I think that’s you know me personally I think  that’s the most important thing and I just I   really wish that people would actually just take  the time to you know because everyone’s looking   around you know it used to be um you know the the  Illuminati or the conspiracy people would um how  

Can I say this now that people know what’s going  on is real what they used to call us crazy for   just a hand full years ago like now they’re now  they know it’s real but yet you know they’re not  

They’re hiding from it you know I remember when  lockdown happened and a lot of old friends of   mine from Washington and a lot of close members of  my family called me up say hey man sorry we called  

You crazy for the past 10 years of your life you  know and you were right you were right I’m like   okay amen yeah I know I know I was right so what  are you going to do about it like are you going to  

Do anything and turns out no they just you know  soon as Lockdown was over it was just back to   back back to ignorance business as usual nothing  changed exactly now that they know about it you  

Know they just just right back to it and I just  look at that and it just really you know wakes me   up to the fact that I need to get my heart ready  for even more because we’re going to go through  

Things and people they they don’t have any excuses  anymore there’s no more excuses like oh I didn’t   know this I don’t know that no like the moves  that these people are taking especially with   the covid lockdown the for I mean I never saw I  would just see America so content and comfortable  

With just throwing the Constitution right out  the window exactly at the drop dropped at the   first sign of trouble we had you know this whole  covid-19 there was no nerenberg code there is no   Constitution there was no Hippa there was nothing  we were just out there for just to be completely  

Conquered and it’s just amazing how many people  just rolled over exact and took it you know it’s   just the Constitution gu guarantees us the right  of assembly and exactly yet uh they took away the   right of assembly um and and all throughout our  history there’s been uh diseases come through  

There’s you know and they never took everybody’s  Freedom away just because there was influenza or   something and so yeah where where my wife and I  lived at the time the small town they had uh a  

Facebook thing where people of the town would come  on and and my wife mentioned that we were throwing   away our constitutional right with the way people  were responding to the co thing and the response   was is what right those people didn’t even know  that they were losing out on their right right  

So you know what your rights are you you’re not  going to realize that they got stolen right if   you never even had them which is um you know why I  I’m always kind of stressing uh health and fitness  

And if if people don’t even know I mean I just  use the term self-actualization by Abraham maslo   and the hierarchy of needs and and if people  never even experienced being cultivated and   and nurtured to reach that place of of physical  psychological and spiritual health and never even  

Had it like that’s that’s what really was I mean  I was really distraught uh you know five and four   decades ago just watching the the people around  me doing the bidding of the system at their own  

Expense and the expense of their children and it  uh you know I never thought it was going to be as   extensive in the United States again like as it  turned out to be all these decades later I mean  

I pretty much spent my life like trying to find  uh people that knew better I I naively thought uh   Americans were way healthier and fitter especially  psychologically than I have learned that they’re   that they are and it’s um it’s a challenge to take  responsibility for yourself what we’re looking at  

Is the mass of people really want to be slave  because if you’re a slave someone’s going to   provide for you like the government you’re going  to be on welfare somebody’s going to tell you   what to do somebody’s going to tell you how to  think but if you’re going to be responsible for  

Yourself take care of your own health and all the  rest you have to man up you have to be somebody   you can’t you can’t just uh um wallow through  life and and be pointed in the right direction  

You’re going to have to figure out that what’s  the right direction for yourself and so that’s   it people don’t want to take responsibility for  themselves you know and and it and it really goes   to show you the failure of the family system and  and parenting that just did not raise people to  

Be you know their their full healthy self um and  so you know covid and the jab and this ridiculous   notion that this jab was somehow for your health  when people never even had psychological health   for um you know again like I’m always saying you  have to have mental Fitness and immunity in order  

To have physical fitness and Immunity and if and  if people are just going to be completely open and   let the wrong people in mentally who are going  to give you this uh injection then right like  

You know the the job is already done um because  you’re you know like once your psych immunity is   disabled that’s it like your body’s I gone I  just think it’s so funny how people take that   vaccine they didn’t even know that it was fully  protected 360° around it it’s like buying a car  

Without a warranty you know it’s like the the  the level of stupidity that I saw during that   lockdown I don’t know about the rest of y’all but  I almost lost my complete faith in humanity like  

It was it uh I just I it’s just going to make me  so upset I’m just yeah I’m getting too angry about   it sorry about that no please don’t apologize go  ahead Josh Joshua tell us uh what kind of things  

You heard uh in the lodge about the kind of things  that are happening um in regards to what well um   the riots that are happening and are do they not  see this as fulfillment of pik’s predictions in  

In absolutely other absolutely yeah they um I  remember going to a q andon rally at Hollywood   Boulevard and then going to a masonic book study  and man they were just laughing their asses off   just yeah they were just talking oh yeah this  qon thing and this Fallen right into place and  

I’m like what do you got you know what’s you know  we’re dinner and they were they they were just   laughing amongst themselves and um I remember  talking to this one guy Greg who was um at the  

Santa Monica Lodge and he was telling me um yeah  this whole Q thing is falling right into place   with Albert Pike and so a few minutes later we go  into an esoteric we do our Masonic book study and  

The topic of the of the evening was the Q code and  apparently this Q code is these Bible verses from   the Apocrypha and the King James and from the Dead  Sea Scrolls that equal 17 the Q is the 17th letter  

In the alphabet how these verses that equal 17  would talk about what Q is trying to expose so   give you an example like um Psalms 10637 you know  1 + 6 plus 3 + 7 17 you know it just um I have it  

In in my phone but I’m looking at my phone I’d  have to tear down the whole screen to get to it   but like second Kings chapter 17 verse 17 it  talks about child sacrifice and Leviticus 20  

Uh chapter 20:3 talks about child sacrifice 20us  3117 you know they just start naming off all these   verses that equal 17 that have to do with child  sacrifice and that just really blew me away and  

I’m just and I was thinking it’s like wow like I  because we were meeting up every Saturday there   at Hollywood Boulevard and it went good for about  three weeks in a row and then the fourth week it  

Just fell to Pieces because they wanted to get  off Hollywood Boulevard and go over to Netflix   and protest a new movie called cuties that came  out which was all about just nasty pedophilia but   it all fell to Pieces because these people just  refused to Ed educate themselves and I told the  

Second week I came back I was like listen like we  need to wake up like this has falling right into   place with Albert Pike’s plan I just came back  from a masonic book study They’re laughing at  

Us like please like stay like don’t follow this  this crowd over here because these guys are just   going in circles and they’re gonna you know they  they’ll people would actually um he walked around   the Hollywood Boulevard Round and Round and they’d  have no energy to carry on and people would leave  

And it’s just like you need to stay right here  and we need to like tell people like what we   know instead of walking around burning our energy  but sadly you know it was all a deception and I  

Just thought it was really interesting how it all  checked out with Albert Pike’s plan and you try   to tell people that me isn’t I did find it quite  amazing how even today there are people who still  

Believe in the Q deception it’s like bro it’s like  four years later like and I’m really interested to   see like if Trump doesn’t get elected what’s the  Q crowd gonna say then I I relate the Q crowd to  

Like flat earther you know it’s just like man you  know what’s the common place between the qanon and   the flat earthers they don’t read books yeah they  don’t they don’t read at all like and they just   beat off YouTube documentaries and whatever social  media says it’s really interesting when you meet  

People who read books in comparison to watching  films and documentary like what like just take two   people one who reads books about the Illuminati  and one who watches videos about the Illuminati   you’ll be shocked to see the level of information  that goes between those two people people and I  

Just really think that that’s the whole problem I  don’t think there is a truth movement I think it’s   all a Hal truth movement like people want to know  about communism but they don’t want to know that  

It’s you know Zionist in nature because you know  they don’t want to be called the name and the name   calling is getting really bad now because I mean I  think Mr Fritz sprem could attest to this like the  

More that this is going on goes on the more it’s  going to be exposed and name calling anti-semite   is just now we got hate speech laws you can’t even  call out you know a Bible verse of the synagogue  

Of Satan it only says that twice in scripture  but the two times it say they want to ban that   and this is led by our Republican party who’s  supposed to be conservative and supposed to love  

The Bible nope not at all like these people are  just they’re going to yeah it’s just I’m really   interested to see how this all plays out because  these people who are supposed to be serving us as   conservatives nope they’re all paid off shabas  [ __ ] all shab is [ __ ] so I’m gonna jump in  

Here take it a little bit different direction  there was a cabalistic and I call him a prophet   uh vill nayon and he predicted centuries ago that  there would be is uh computer that would know   everything about everything and would be would  be running the world okay this is actually what  

We have going on now is these computers there’s  a number of these computers that are artificial   intelligence they’re running things but this  is very interesting because it ties into premer   first the cabala is the foundational Doctrine  underlying Freemasonry and a lot of these other  

Ult organizations and people don’t understand  that in cabalism they believe that there were   going to be two saviors and one of those saviors  was going to be technology and we were going to be   saved by this master computer that AI artificial  intelligence that was going to take that would  

Would take over the world well some books have  referred to that Beast computer what what’s called   Beast computer in my my writing has Metatron now  Metatron also is an angel It’s a a Muslim Angel  

But it also H is an angel within cabala and I  was going to ask Joshua to speak a little bit   about Metatron because I know that he’s been in  the lodge and that opened up his eyes as to what

Metatron yeah well Metatron happens to be the what  I was told when they show me the four holy books   with the 33rd degree is that Metatron is the code  word of the 33rd degree masonry of itself so this  

Thing of Metatron like what it has to relate  to is that in when you hit third degree Master   Mason you learn a lot about the Cornerstone of  masonry because that’s a very sacred ritual of   Mason is the the lane of the Cornerstone and that  Cornerstone evolves into the Metatron cube when  

You go up to the 33rd degree and it’s really  interesting how you see the cube in all four   of the religions of the four holy books you see  it at the cube at Mecca for the Muslims you see  

It in the the geometric flower of life for the  Hindus you see it in the ritual Circles of the   luciferians of the hexagram for the luciferian  and then you see it in the scriptures of of the   Christianity and the King James Bible when Jesus  said I am the Cornerstone which the stone Builders  

Have rejected and it’s really fascinating how if  you take the Metatron cube in a two-dimensional   sense as the hexagram where do we see that we see  it on the back of the $1 bill we see it all over  

The flag of Israel we see it like sometimes on  the on the hat of the Pope like I mean just it’s   every everywhere and the Metatron Cube really  um for that being the coword that really tied   in a lot to what Freemasonry like really is  and it really made me understand the occult  

In Freemasonry a lot more because that code word  of Metatron it just wraps everything in and just   pulls everything together whether it be the symbol  of the merba of the atomic makeup of gold coming  

To be the Metatron Cube which is the backbone of  our own economy that made a lot of sense and then   when you have the North Pole of Saturn being a  hexagon to make into the Metatron Cube that made  

A lot of sense and then when you have the rabbis  over in Israel and everybody in the judaic faith   putting that thing around their left arm and that  little black Cube on their head that made a lot of  

Sense it’s just really fascinating how um it was  always in our face it was always just right there   and it’s funny how the four holy books of masonry  you can get them at your local Barnes & Noble you  

Know there’s really uh these are not hidden texts  at all these are just uh they’re represented you   know by the lion the ox the eagle and the man you  know the Four Angels of the apocalypse and it’s  

Just so hilarious how these four holy books were  always staring us they were always staring me in   the face every time I went to a Barnes & Noble I  didn’t know a King James was like a holy book of  

The Occult you know but when you get broken  into this information you really understand   like how everything’s just always been out in the  open only the initiate understand it and I I was   really shocked by how prevalent and how true that  statement is when I saw these things we have um  

Just a few more minutes left again the ending  music starts at about 3 minutes uh before the   top of the hour so like 5 minutes we have um so  uh I would I I just wanted to make sure um Fritz  

If you got to say everything that you wanted to  say about Zionism um because I mean I just what   really it’s it’s it’s like blows my mind it it  can be ridiculously overwhelming um that what’s  

Happening in the Middle East is so out in the open  for the world to see and yet it like it it it like   it can’t be stopped um you know the icj thing  you know the the South Africa bringing a case  

On behalf of the Palestinians and other countries  that joined and there’s a lot of countries are on   the side of I just I just call it us real you know  us real um usreal that’s good we’re looking at   controlled conflict this goes back to Illuminati  plans and heelan dialect you create a conflict  

You know and chaos is going to come order order OB  chaos order OB yes why why why can’t um I mean you   know I don’t know if this is a naive question like  why can’t any country do anything to stop the the  

Zionist the the usra zionists well there it’s all  connected and see see another controlled conflict   is this Ukrainian Russia Ukrainian War Putin is  an Illuminati member okay I’ve been saying that   for a couple years publicly people you know and  they have the awake community and the right wing  

Supporting Putin he’s an Illuminati member this is  a controlled conflict it’s destroying Russia it’s   destroying Europe it’s destruction and these  people are not aware of what they’re looking at I mean do do you see you know that we’re  in World War I three now no okay we’re not  

In World War III but definitely we’re  uh they’re trying to plant the seeds of it and what so the ultimate goal is a depopulation  of the masses and a new world order genocide of   the the majority of people yeah this is their  genociding the majority of them and people are  

Going along with their own death exactly gladly  and they they’ll pay taxes into that their own   death exactly yeah um yeah uh I mean you know we  again have like two more minutes and my focus is  

Always on the children and I I I mean I I get  horrified at the thought of of what you know is   happening to um you know the the the the migrant  children and um I guess I’ll just say this like  

I I I stopped you looking at on on ex used to  be Twitter all the videos of the horror that’s   going on in Palestine because I feel like as long  as they just keep I mean it’s good to show the  

Truth but as long as nothing is being done about  it and it’s just going to be oh you know look what   Israel did to to this child today or ma this one  and and uh you know and nothing just gets done  

I I I feel like people are becoming just this is  going to be normal you know and so yeah they own   the United Nations Israel has complete control  of the UN they have control of it all so watch  

How crazy Israel gets and watch what they get away  with it’s going to be very fascinating what what   do you mean just sit back and enjoy the show  because Israel is gonna have they’re gonna get  

Away with a lot so um Joshua Abraham where can  people find you um you can find me on X Twitter   under um Enoch the Metatron that’s my uh profile  name that’s pretty much the only social media I  

Got left everything got deleted or blocked so yeah  that’s the only place you can find me and Fritz   your books and that’s where people find your work  uh pins.com p n t r a ck.com pin trx.com you can  

Get my Bloodlines book there and uh my email is  springme messages hotmail.com just spell my last   name uh and messages all lowercase hotmail.com  and if you do order a bloodline book just realize   that you’re going to have to have patience  because I’m one person I’m not a corporation  

And my Supply doesn’t keep up with demand and  um just have patience in getting your order and   if you want my other books you need to contact  me personally through my the email I just gave  

Okay um so I I expected the closing music about  an hour ago but I’m just going to say uh so I’m   Katherine with a sea Waters with two T’s um I’m  on Revolution Radio Studio B every Wednesday 4:  

To 6:00 p.m. and then the podcast gets replayed on  one greator network uh the following one greatwork   network.com the following evening Thursday 7 to  9 pm, and Revolution Radio is listener supported   so uh thank you both so much I I truly appreciate  everything you do and um you know keep on keeping  

On and thank you for bringing me on and thank you  so much for joining us today Mr spring Meers great   to see you again thank you so much thanks to  both of you peace have a good one yep thank you [Music] bye

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