Let’s do this I’m ready SE Ray tells all you know you look at a guy like Chris Bumstead 28 29 30 years old and they look at him like Arnold we’ve seen that physique a million times in the 90s listen there may be there may be a there
May be a couple of guys in the past 5 years a couple of guys in the last 5 years that I would consider maybe Hall of Fame Athletes [Applause] so I’m I have all these camera choices it says back camera back dual camera back back telec camera and then it says P Diddy camera oh [ __ ] oh you don’t want that don’t click that let me try to let me hang up and call right back yeah yeah
Okay let me see if I can close this window all right we good yeah man you’re fantastic Sean R people who is everybody shoot I’m jie the Legend legend Che very right where’s everybody at all right I’m located in Nova Scotia Helifax Canada I can hear that right okay
Yeah so these guys are all a mar Mach Brunswick Canada Canada all in Canada I feel like right now got I got a jewelry in front of me got an energy [Laughter] drink yeah it’s I’m ready R tells all oh when I move like I I move everything
Comes after I move weird I’m like that too Sean it’s on that way on my side that way all right I’ll try I’ll try to sit still I’m ready when you are because I got a steak downstairs waiting to get thrown on the grill boys let’s do all
Right this okay so welcome to bodybuilders Amateur hour this is a special presentation obviously because right here to this side of me we got the legendary the icon I can’t believe I’m introducing Sean Ray welcome man we are old all that for real the icon the guy that we’ve
All all idolized and grown up with and we’re here talking to you we’re so happy to to meet you well these guys are I’ve met you before you’re old news to me sorry buddy but but um yeah welcome thanks for coming on the show buddy yeah welcome right on
Man so here at bodybuilders amateur we we really love talking about um Pros talking to Pros about their amateur career we know yours was relatively short it was yeah but yeah I uh I I haven’t I haven’t seen the show I didn’t want to watch it before I came on just
Because I didn’t want to repeat whatever it is you guys have done I I like to be kind of spontaneous so um I have I’ve actually been a little bit active hitting the uh the podcast scenery after these first two Ono Classics that kind
Of kick off the year but I was I was laying dormant since the Olympia um which I like to I like to brag about the fact that I haven’t missed the Olympia since I was in the Olympia back in 1988 I’m sure some of you guys were probably
Born around that time but um I’m a big fan of bodying that’s that yeah that tells you my dedication to the game if I’m not missing those you know that show I also have never missed an Arnold Classic I like to brag about that so when people start saying yeah when
People start saying I’m talking out my ass about certain things they got to remember I’m there I don’t watch bodybuilding on YouTube and and read it in magazines I actually attend the show so when I have an opinion it’s based on what I see B based on what I experience
And sometimes that gets me in hot water when I talk about uh some of the athletes and break down doing commentary but I I pulled back from that we got a new breed of people that have come into the industry a little bit more sensitive than me and I’m I’m watching them U
Right I’m watching them give out participation medals to everyone that qualifies for the Olympia and we’re living in different times when it comes down to it so I I sit back and watch and and uh I reminisce about the old days when you used to be able to tell it like
It is right oh man and yeah we we really missed that and I think we need that we need that back it’s right oh we do makes it for sure yeah definitely do you think that it took everything took everything in my power to pull it took everything in my power
To pull back and and be quiet and kind of watch and listen but uh listen these guys have very thin skin and I don’t mean that in condition ways everybody’s Sensi know when you criticize a bodybuilder constructively you got to deal with the coach you got to deal with
Their best friend you got to deal with their cameraman that goes to the gym with them for their YouTube channel and the next thing you know they try to cancel you so we’re living in different times but when you’re criticizing someone you’re doing it constructively right to help but a
Lot of people now they can’t they can’t handle that that’s how I built my career I mean listen if I’m not hearing the negative stuff what am I working on when I go to the gym after I lose a contest or get ready for a contest I I think
Back in the day you know it’s kind of like when we played football here in America you play football um in the 70s and the 80s you get knocked down your coach tells you to put you know get up and go back in there now you get knocked
Down the dad runs out of the stands pulls the kid over to the sidelines and rubs him on his head Pats him on his back and tells the coach he needs a break uh bodybuilding has become very um I used I used a word that kind of went
Viral for about five minutes it’s I said the pacification of bodybuilding you can’t tell the truth because they don’t want to hear it you know yeah I don’t know 100% you uh sorry go ahead Josh no man I was just like like 100% we even again we find it’s
Almost like that even starting in the beginning at the amateur ranks too right now it wasn’t like that when we all started when I started competing back in early 2000s definitely wasn’t like that it’s just the past you know the past seven years maybe even early a little bit this
Just call it 10 years 10 years worse it’s yeah it’s just been a downward spiral for yeah for it is I I I kind of I was thinking am I getting old but it seems like all the guys my age agree with me so I’m not that’s not that
I’m getting old it’s just that you know we you miss the purity of being critiqued um you miss the uh the purity of of guys being honest and uh you know no none of these guys really want to hear the truth they want to they want
Pats on the back because they feel like they’re doing something special and you know bodybuilding is is like playing basketball anybody could do it you just lifting up weights and you’re you’re consuming calories but when you decide to get on stage to be critiqued and to
Be judged you got to take the good with the bad and and some people don’t belong there even on the Olympia stage some don’t belong there truth be told but there’s a small fraction of people that say hey it’s the Olympia and not everyone can get to the Olympia so we
Got to make sure that we Pat this guy on the back because you know the Olympia is the biggest no it is the biggest stage but not everybody deserves to be there because you could actually qualify go over to some show in I don’t know one horse town you know Podunk country out
In you pick the country and there’s three guys in the show and and you happen to win so I I think the water down effect of bodybuilding for the Olympia specifically um is number one we have too many shows number two we have too many people qualified and and number
Three it should be become more Elite right because the fewer guys you have on that stage if you have the best 10 or the best 15 um then we know that there’s through process of elimination we have the best 15 guys but when you get there
And you got 38 38 guys on the stage I’m I’m burnt after I see 10 right yeah you know I tune out like back like back in the day yeah like Sean you turned Pro in what 88 was it 88 I I won my Pro card in ‘ 87 my debut
Was in 88 yes 88 was your first Olympia yeah right after well I didn’t take 89 off the truth be told I was suspended for getting hurt so I was trading for the I was trading for the uh the very first Arnold Classic in ‘ 89 that rich gaspari won
And getting ready for that show I was training with Mike Christian we were doing some heavy drop sets on leg press and I just kind of felt the strain in my neck holding my breath and and I I only liken it to like the sensation of a
Rubber band popping and it felt like it rolled up into the base of my neck and it gave me constant continuous pain whenever I did shoulder presses whenever I strained on barbell curls whenever I did pulley Rose so the only thing that they could tell me at that time um was
Time off like like a strained muscle in my neck and I was five weeks out from the show I told Wayne deelia the then acting vice president that I was injured uh I’m getting um muscle muscle stimulation and Massage Therapy but the doctor told me not to do anything for 5
Weeks which is exactly the amount of time for the show and generally being hurt after already dieting for some time I I was young in my career I wasn’t going to jeopardize anything it was a new contest although Arnold invited me personally and I was excited uh I pumped
My brakes you know I was also burned out from I came off the Nationals in ‘ 87 coming off the holidays I had my my pedal was halfway down I just didn’t have that last five weeks to go in light of the injury and way de million said hey we’ve
Advertised you this is an Invitational you pull out now you’re suspended for a year I you know I said do what you got to do in the meantime I faxed my medical information from a doctor who made the claim that I should take this time off
And I didn’t feel like I needed to justify an injury are you [ __ ] me you’re questioning whether or not I want to compete I you know this is my dream Arnold invited me of course so I got suspended for 89 from 1989 from March of
‘ 89 until March I think it was March one of 90 made me eligible still to compete in the 90 Arnold Classic because I think it was like a couple of days after the first that if he would have had his way I wouldn’t have been able to do anything right right
So Won Won that classic right you won that ARL classic with an with an asck yeah I won it then I failed I won it then I failed failed the drug test right so now I’m pissed now I’m pissed because I put all that time to come back
To the horor classic after a year off and I failed the test now mind you we all knew the test was coming I wasn’t trying to beat the test I would have no information on how to do that so yeah I just got off of everything I was doing
In January so from January to March I figured yeah they just test right like have they tested anybody since that it was just like one year the 1990 Olympia the 1990 Olympia was drug tested but anyway long story short I failed the test and now I just think in my head way
Deila has it out for me this [ __ ] is trying to ruin my career one I couldn’t compete in 1990 I was suspended for the year now I win the contest and he’s telling me I got a failed drug test I’m just thinking the fixes in these guys
Don’t want me and at the same time the wbf was getting ready they were coming after some ifbb bodybuilders but I wanted to be Mr Olympia and five or six months later there’s another drug test there’s another Mr Olympia contest I qualified by winning the Iron Man two week
Before and of course I went to that Olympia I went from 13th in 1988 to third place in 1990 pass the drug test which he got the results back before the show and I felt like Lee Haney was on his way out he looked his worst it was
His seventh win he tied Arnold Schwarzenegger I’m thinking I’m next in line like all I gotta do is beat le la brada who was second so I had a lot of things going on in this 24-year-old mind of mine back then and I had a lot of
Sponsors I had a lot of opportunity and here’s Vince McMahon you know angling a $200,000 contract in front of me uh and I have Joe Weider trying to keep me at you know keep me in the fold with the Olympia team so I had a I had a really
As bad as 1990 started off by failing the test and getting no prize money getting third in the Olympia and gaining $118,000 getting a raise from Joe weer uh and having the inspiration from Joe to go back to Columbus and try to win the 91 I was like [ __ ] it I’m going I
Went back I won the Arnold in ‘ 91 and I just felt like I was on a rocket ship to become Mr Olympia long comes Dorian Yates oh yeah man just my luck that’s that’s a little yeah just my luck yeah that’s a little different story I love you you guys have
Some really great pictures together too on stage oh yeah right oh me and Dorian yeah yeah I seen this too yeah I mean know we didn’t people kept saying that we hated I didn’t hate d i I didn’t like it I wasn’t a fan of his physique he wasn’t a fan of my
Persona listen I’m out here in California with flex and Paul DEET and Chris Kier and we’re driving sports cars and hanging out at the beach you’re living the lifestyle you’re yeah you’re having fun yeah you’re enjoying the process you’re living [ __ ] yeah yeah what everybody Dorian wants to do Dorian didn’t like
Any of Dorian didn’t like any of that [ __ ] Dorian was this he was married he’s just like a machine he was Drago you know from the Rocky movies and yeah and so we never knew each other we we never we didn’t hang out in the same circles we didn’t know
Each other until we we were both retired that we became cool with each other is there anyone Sean that you thought you should have beat in like your Mr Olympia oh yeah me Lee Lee Haney was first and then Dorian and then Ronnie yeah no there’s a
Couple of shows you know I thought I thought I beat Kevin lone in 1992 and H n Finland he was coming off the Night of Champions Victory no I mean I mean Mr Olympus Mr Olympus oh well yeah of course I thought thought yeah I think I I wasn’t ready for Lee Haney
Yeah I think I I think I should have beat Dorian in 94 arguably people make a case for 1996 but 94 um I had valid reasons why um I thought I should have beat Dorian and it was due to his injuries due to him not being 100% due to him being better in
1993 due to him um you know just being considerably off now the flip side in 1994 you can ask anybody wish I had a dollar for everybody I asked what was wrong with Shawn Ray in what was wrong with Shawn Ray in 94 and you don’t hear
Anything yeah so I was under the impression that the best yeah I was I was under the impression that the guy with the fewest flaws wins right so I got caught up for about 5 minutes listening to what writers and photographers and my colleagues and they
All had me gas up that that was my show to win uh Dorian got a gift and I I was Sour for a little while but As I Grew Older I recognize bodybuilding to be a business more than anything else uh I know that relationships um you know they Trump um
A person who’s got zero flaws at the time I thought I I had no flaws when I when I look back on that but I didn’t let that settle in with me because I stayed busy I call it the business of bodybuilding I went out promoted myself marketed myself um self-managed
Self-made and I didn’t have any I didn’t Harbor any anything against Dorian especially after 96 when I got second again and then you know Nasser was coming into his prime you know he got second in the Olympia 97 um and of course Flex wheeler and Kevin Leone were
Always a threat I looked at it at that stage that you know I may never win the Olympic because here’s Ronnie Coleman in 1998 but I’m getting paid for I’m getting paid for what I love and I need to find a way to stay involved with what I love and and
Disassociate the fact that I’ll never be Mr Olympia and 9899 I won’t say 98 99 2000 2001 I trained and competed knowing I wasn’t going to be Mr Olympia but prior to 9098 I always thought on some measure that I stood just as good a chance to
Win that show as Flex Kevin Dorian and and and uh Chris Cormier so I what I never gave into the idea that I couldn’t win it which is what what kept getting me out of bed I thought on any given day there’s an injury there’s an accident
Maybe I hit my Peak maybe the judges wake up and smell the coffee so it’s different when you train for a show you know you can’t win because it’s not fun it’s like it’s like it’s like you’re a pce car on the racetrack and you know
You can’t win so I kind of you know 9990 99 2000 and 2001 I don’t want to say I phoned it in I I went through the motions um without the fire and I think you can see that in some of my early battle for the Olympians I was hungry I
Was [ __ ] Shore and I was be [ __ ] out of my training Partners I was in survival mode from 99 to 2001 um recognizing that Ronnie Coleman’s probably never going to lose and he won four more after I retired so was there any point during that where you almost like said screw it
I’m not doing anymore yeah yeah 1998 I was going into that show Dorian retired in 1997 I met a girl I started feeling um sorry for myself I started feeling like I wanted to have a kid started feeling like there has to be more to life than
Just eat sleeping and training and I don’t know that I was in love with the girl so much as I was in love with the idea of family um I watched my brothers and my sisters having kids um I i’ missed enough birthdays I’d withdrawn from enough holidays I’d been all over
The world I’m thinking do I want start this process when I’m 40 years old or you know what I’m going to go in I’m going to win this Olympia and I’m going to retire and get engaged at the Olympia and I went into that Olympia I went into that
Olympia kind of all over the map um not focused on the prize i w up in fifth place right rightfully so still got engaged backstage which to which disassociated me from the defeat because I had my girl with me oh that’s nice and I thought I thought you know Ronnie if I
Wasn’t going to win I’m going to be done so in my mind I got engaged I walked away thinking I’m going to go get this girl pregnant I’m going to have kids and I’m going to be done with bodybuilding um when I got home after the Olympia got
On the got off the diet things started kind of settling down getting back to normal I kind of woke up I’m like who is this chick like gota go I gotta start training again yeah it’s January I gotta start training gota go I can’t do
This you had to Prep Prep curb yeah I took the ring back I I realized I had a lot of gas in the tank took the ring back thing is not for me yeah man and I went back to I went back to being my old
Self again because it’s all I knew you know January to September is trained for the Olympia go on tour and uh I kicked her out I I I went back and and started from scratch I I bought a different a new house you know to by myself right
And um I never look back I know that she went on to get married and had a couple of kids but I never looked back never reconnected with her I did just it was a time in my life where I thought it was something I needed but it’s like a car
Like you want that car you get it you drive it for a while you realize it’s just four wheels in a chassis and it’s just still taking point I mean I’m not I’m not being cold This Is The Life and Times of a professional bodybuilder
Right I was on the top of my game I’m on the magazines I didn’t want to settle down yeah I was gonna ask like if is that expected for people that are looking to come into you know they they they want to be a pro they want to be an
Elite bodybuilder do you have to give up everything do you have does that have to be your life or can you have it all and still be successful well I can only speak I can only speak from my personal experience I didn’t have a girlfriend I
Wasn’t in love I had a dog um and I just thought that all that [ __ ] could wait I was young I was hungry I was ambitious I had every car you could imagine I had a condo at the beach I had a place in Las Vegas I had girlfriends in different
Countries had money in my pocket I was The Fresh Prince of Bel Air man I was like I didn’t I didn’t want some I didn’t want some emotional connection to take my eyes off the prize because it was it was Sean’s world it’s all about me and I tried to incorporate a girl
Into there and you know they they have feelings they have emotions they have needs they have desires they have wants and you know they don’t want to watch you eat six meals a day they don’t want to go to the gym twice a day with you
They don’t want to you know they don’t want they don’t it’s not their calling it was my calling and so acutely aware that I’m trying to be number one if you’re not on board with me you’re in the way you’re an obstacle so I had that
Flip that switch that I could flip where I didn’t care and it didn’t matter because I somewhere down the road uh all that stuff will be there for me you know and and I didn’t think I would live forever I didn’t know what life after bodybuilding was going to look like I
Just knew that I was up against some young hungry lions and they were chomping at the heels you know Flex wheeler helped me move into my first apartment I called him skinny Kenny back in the day skinny Kenny and I knew I saw the I saw the potential saw the
Potential that I knew he was gonna be one to reckon with I won the Califor won 1989 oh sorry uh do you still talk to flex and CH and uh Kevin and Chris I talk to Kevin all the time Flex is in the hospital too much man um you don’t
Know which personality you’re going to get this guy’s uh he’s got some real life issues and you know he’s he’s one guy one day he’s another guy another day and I’m I’m not a fairweather friend but I just I got too much going on to be you
Know I’m not Dr Phil I’m not I’m not I can’t fix other people’s problems but Kevin and I we talk all the time he’s probably the closest guy Chris Kier another old OG that I kind of uh travel the world with but you know you pick and
Choose the company you want to be in I’m more positive you know Flex is battling for his life half the time so you know it’s it’s uh he’s got he’s got to figure it out but I’ll tell you being a bodybuilder I don’t think I gave up you
Said what do you have to give up I didn’t look at I was giving up I felt like you know it was me against the world I didn’t mind being alone I didn’t mind living by myself I didn’t mind um finding different people to beat up on
In gyms and get my ass kicked in gyms because I I was always very individually driven and I do know that now uh it takes a village I hear these bodybuilders talk I got my my family behind behind me I got my girl behind me
I got my trainer I got my posing coach I got my my chef some guys some guys need all that [ __ ] it was it was never in my economy I don’t want to say that they were weak because they had it I certainly didn’t envy that but when
You’re just it’s just you against the world it’s a lot more simpler it’s easier to figure out what you’re doing wrong for me easier to to to figure out what I was doing wrong I had a lot of people that were friends to me they
Weren’t friends of mine I was I was a bodybuilder but I was always me I I I did I moved 20 minutes within the radius of where I was born so the people that knew me and I hung around with I went to elementary junior high high school and
College with they didn’t give a [ __ ] about me being a bodybuilder they knew they knew Shawn Ray these people that were in the bodybuilding I was acutely aware that a lot of them were trying to get what I have or wanted to learn what I learned what learn what I knew so
These were Associates um through the years I was a mentor for Chris Kier Flex wheeler and Kevin lone I’ve grown old with those guys um Lee Haney and Mike Christian and Le Labrada these are guys in Samir benu these are guys that I idolize that I I
Have them in my Rolodex I talk to them all the time we’re friends at you know I’m near 60 I’ll be 60 in two years so bodybuilding for me created this fraternity and the Brotherhood that I didn’t know in my 20s would last into my late 50s and it will continue going as
Long as I’m here uh and you you don’t realize that when you’re doing it you don’t think these guys are all like like a like these are these are ducks in the pond that you’re taking aim at and you’re trying to knock them all down and
Forget about them no these are guys that I’ve I’ve employed I’ve gotten them seminars I’ve gotten them guest POS and gigs we’ve traveled the world we broke bread Kevin Leone was there when my daughter Asia was born she’s 18 years old she’ be 19 this summer Kevin was
Right there in the hospital with me that’s awesome so that’s how that connection is that connect Kevin told me back in ’94 he came to my house for the first time his first Olympia he was second place in ‘ 92 I was fourth um 93
I’m not sure if Kevin was even in the 93 Olympia I think he tore his Peck um yeah he did but who would have thought that at that time in 9394 when Kevin and I are chomping at the bit for the Olympia title that in 2005 he’d be standing next
To me when my daughter came out you know what I mean yeah and we were just together a week ago we’re together a week ago over in England and we’re going to see each other in two weeks over in Germany so that’s what bodybuilding does it it makes the world a much smaller
Place and it makes family out of friends oh 100% again like us guys never grew up together and we’ve been friends for a long time four of us that’s what I was saying we’ve all competed against each other we were all we were allies we were
All enemies at one point right yeah no what’s even what’s even crazier is that we’re all here talking I I guarantee you none of you thought this was going to happen at this time of your life no so yeah happen to me it happens to me all
The time when I talk to Lee Haney I talked to Dorian and I talked to Samir and L fno I have to pinch myself even borer Co Robbie Robinson I got them all in my phone book it’s crazy exactly like when I messaged these guys a few days
Ago and I said hey guess make sure you’re available Tuesday and they’re like okay sure whatever and then I’m like okay good I didn’t tell him who was coming on I just wanted to make sure that whoever was available to you know take the time of the day to do it then I
Was like Sean Shan Ray then how many people all a sudden just started lighting up saying can I be on can I be on can I be on I’m like no no no I’m like these are the guys these are the guys here that were coming on regardless
Of who who we were bringing on right well you know what’s great about the sport is when I was in that position coming up you’d have to write a letter not to the athlete but literally to the magazine hope the magazine gets the letter to the athlete and you know damn
Well none of those athletes were taking the time to write anybody back right so now now you can send a DM on Instagram you can find them on their on their web page you can send them you know you can find them on WhatsApp you literally can
The world is so much smaller you can really find whoever you want to touch and and there’s a 50-50 chance you might get a response right and like it’s it’s it’s wonderful too because like you and I we’ve I if you remember we’ve we’ve hung out for a while back uh at the
Arnolds during the Expose and uh we were literally signing autograph t-shirts together one year and um like yeah you know I don’t I don’t you know I don’t remember I know I know I know you don’t remember too I know I like to I like to think in my
Head you do I like to think that I’m like no idea what year we’re talking about right no this is not yeah last year at the mutant Booth yeah se’s only autographs once so I know just once it’s like that’s funny yeah now in my head
I’m just like he remembers me this is this is why this is why he answered my message that’s right we’re buddies you know you want you want to know why I answered your message is because I’m also so I’m a veteran of the game and I
Also been where you’re at like you got to remember I’ve worked in the media my entire life including while I was a bodybuilder the articles that you read in the magazines if you had any back then they were written by me they have they have an editor um I always get a
Kick out of it when someone comes up for an autograph and they pull a letter out that I handw wrote back in the day and to them to them it meant something the reason why I took the time to do that was because I did that to Chris
Dickerson when I was 18 years old Kristen was making posing trunks I was getting ready for the Mr La they didn’t have a teenage category so I was going to have to go in the open and so I wrote Miss uh Chris Dickerson a handwritten
Letter and he sent me back one typed and and with his signature on at the bottom it said by the gods I remember it said 1982 Mr Olympia by the by the gods well that I was 18 and I remember like it was yesterday that he took the time that he
Took the time to type because it was a typewriter wasn’t a computer I I I handw wrote some [ __ ] to him she typed it and then it went from that letter to him meeting me at Gold’s Gym taking me across the street to go and eat and then
I wound up back at his flat now mind you I’m straight as they come and I knew that Chris was gay and I’m at his house getting ready to put on some posing truns you’re like here we go yeah and it’s just me and
Him he he was yeah so he was the perfect gentleman he I think he was 43 years old at the time he was he was our oldest Mr Olympia at 42 I think Shan Rhoden beat his record but uh from that small chance encounter with Chris Dickerson he
Introduced me to the the the the the future editor and chief of Iron Man magazine John bck he he was a photographer at the time and a writer But ultimately he would buy the magazine so I went off to the US uh to the teenage Nationals in 1984 and I got
Second place to Shane deore uh to Franco sorillo I came back Chris had set up a photo shoot with John bck for Iron Man magazine I’m being photographed by the same guy that shot the pictures that I saw of Chris Dickerson in muscle and fitness and I’m you know I’m I’m there
With Chris is Chris is putting me through the poses and I’m this is the professional photographer that works for Joe Weider that was how I was introduced to BigTime bodybuilding I was 18 years old one year into bodybuilding one year um I did I got third in that contest by
The way two weeks later they had another Federation called the AA and they had a teenage Cate and I won the teenage category for the to for the teen Los Angeles I would later go on to win the the teenage Mr California in 1984 and that was when Chris Dickerson
And Mike Christian and a few others Mike Christian won the Nationals that year in 84 told me that I was a future Mr Olympia and I say all that to say this I’ve said this in many pod I said said this in many podcasts First Impressions
Can last a lifetime I I’m telling you this story as if it happened yesterday I I remember walking in there for the photo and I’m 58 years old so that was 40 years ago I’m recalling 40 years ago with perfect clarity of John bck Chris Dickerson the cameras on me the oil I
Can smell the oil and it wound up getting uh to Ricky Wayne’s son who his name is Kevin Wayne he’s a photographer for Flex magazine Rick Wayne was the editor and chief of flex magazine and Rick Wayne said if you win the teenage Mr Amer America will do something with
You so I went on in 1985 I won the teenage Orange County in 1985 and I went on to win the teenage Mr America and I got a call from Kevin Wayne um telling me that his dad Ricky Wayne who I knew very well from back with Arnold
Schwarzenegger that they wanted to do something called the Teen Scene in Flex magazine a brand new column and they want to use me as the first guy cool I’m all about it because I I I won the teenage Mr America I won the Teen national championships Atlanta beat Bob chikillo yeah kicked his
Bob yeah so so Bob was there he’s still he’s still hurting from that but while we were waiting for this Teen Scene thing to take place uh for the Teen Scene article to take place in Flex I got ready for the junior Mr uh world over in Australia in December of 85 and
I went over there and I won the junior Mr world and it went from being a Teen Scene article to being on the cover of flex magazine and that’s that one where I’m standing there with the pink shirt on holding a little book bag in front of
In front of weer headquarters and that’s where I met Joe weer I met Rick Wayne and and and that little smell of Arnold Arnold was on the wall that little sniff of weer and and seeing the magazine layout how they put the magazines together and and meeting the writers who
I only seen their names in print and the photographers who took the pictures I I knew then like Mike at 15 when he met custado mhm that if I keep hearing it enough I’m going to start believing it and I kept hearing it enough from people that were unrelated
To me that I would one day be Mr Olympia that I just believed it so I went about the business of thinking in my head I’m gonna be I’m gonna be Mr Olympia one day stay out of my [ __ ] way I’m on my way I mean so girls parties the [ __ ]
None of that had any room because I I met Joe weer I’m on the cover of flex magazine I’m teenage Mr America I was like I had everything that a teenager wanted and I believed that one day I would I would win it but how how did you
Handle that mentally as a teenager coming up like the like I couldn’t fathom what that would be like or what I would be like as in like my ego or like did having friends that understood what you’re going through or like family members as a teenager to be able to
Comprehend what is your future would be like question it’s a good question because I didn’t have colleagues that were in close proximity to my age that would even understand what I was trying to do I couldn’t even imagine I lived one hour from Gold’s Gym
I was down there twice a week my friends were the guys that were in the magazines literally Mike Christian would watch me pose Charles Glass would watch me pose I was mentored and tuted by John Brown at two-time Mr Universe um I saw rich gaspari in 1986 right after his first
Olympia so I had I was in and around the area that I wanted to go I saw the it it’s like being an actor in Nebraska and you go out to Hollywood and you see all the lights camera and all the other actors when you see the Finish
Line you you you have to I had to buy my time knowing that one day I would get there but yeah I knew that the only way I would get there is to keep doing the business of bodybuilding which is why I didn’t have time for those relationships
Which is why I could walk out of a party so I can go and eat some food because I needed calories rather than sit there and try to hang around the keg and and you know try to pick up the chicks I wanted it so bad that like when one
Contest was over I was dialing in for the next one and I I really believe that because I was picking and choosing my shows one level above the next I got there I grad I graduated high school in 1984 I turned Pro 1987 I got there in
Three years [ __ ] 84 87 that’s three years so when I did when I finally arrived um I kind of knew the ins and outs of what was necessary because I watched John around about how to make money um guest posing um marketing myself I would go in the back of the
Magazines find all the uh addresses for all the gyms and all the nutrition stores and I’d print out 8 by10 and I’d sign a Mr California or national champion and I’d send them off and then on the back side of the picture itd say available now for seminars guest posing
Appearances autograph SE section and I’d leave my address and my phone number and I send out two 300 of those things all I needed was like 20 to respond yeah 15 is a good number and you know I’m charging between ,000 and $3,000 you know if I get 20 responses
It’s it’s a nice little supplemental income but I’m also building my brand I’m I’m traveling I’m getting out I’m showing people who I am but I also knew the next level of competition I probably lose more shows than I win and I got there in warp speed and back then warp speed
Meant myself rich gaspari um I I think uh ke people like Kevin lron We Were Young when we arrived yeah um Lee Haney was Mr Olympia I believe when he was 24 years old so the the pros were young so I knew I had a
Long road ahead of me in terms of an opportunity to Maybe One Day become Mr Olympia but I needed to find a way to sustain My Lifestyle to so I could eat sleeping train so I could show um my parents and my family my friends that
This is a profession you know when you hear the word professional you assume that you’re able to live off that and you’re able to do something with it it’s not I had passports I would I would stamp my passport my mom and dad said I should
Have been born with wings and I said look and I didn’t realize this how big bodybuilding was Global so all of those all those pictures I was sending out to people in America I started realizing I could send them to Germany I could send them to England I can reach out to
Australia and now I’m International and so for me competing competing eting once a year was the best thing for me so I could make all of these appearances so in the summer I could hibernate just to eat sleep and train for the Olympia and it worked well for me for the the 13
Years I did it I just figured it out yes I didn’t I didn’t I I didn’t have a friend of mine trying to map it out like some of these guys they have a manager you have George phoh you have hone romot and Neil Hill they’ll kind of they they cut to the
Chase for you but they’re sharing their wealth and I didn’t have to share my wealth I figured it out uh I took pride in the idea that the person that was bringing me to their country or bringing me to their gym they were dealing with
Me um the fan that wrote me the letter they were getting response from me so uh you know those first impressions that I still carry them with me I get an email I get a text message I get a DM I try to acknowledge as many people as I can and
I always get this is it really you yes it’s really me as we can see right I love it yeah a fan I love it do you think do you think now is it easier now today to like with social media and all of that to grab the
Sponsors grab you know put yourself out there and like I don’t think so I I don’t or is there’s just so many people doing it now that it’s like just convoluted and it’s just full of it’s a popularity contest isn’t it right because if I figure out the algorithms
If I get the right videographer if I get the if I pay the right amount of money I could build up my social media following and people have a tendency to go there first right how many followers does he have what’s his YouTube channel looked like when I did it you know our
Popularity came on the backs of our hard work we were popular because we were doing the business we were the best and and mind you in the 90s there were 10 or 15 of us that were considered the best I mean Lee Haney and Dorian Yates and
Ronnie Coleman got the Lion Share but you know you can’t tell me Lee Lee Priest le la brda Flex wheeler Kevin rone didn’t have an army of fans we did and it was based on our it was based on our work it wasn’t based on what videos
We’re putting out it wasn’t based on what post we made um so yeah exactly like there are opportunities out there oh there opportunities out there but when we were coming out we had to make those opportunities by how we were placing in shows yeah I think it’s a
Little weird now like growing up I had I this might sound this I don’t know [ __ ] it whatever I had a picture of you on my wall and along with like Lee and Arnold and my cat says hi there you go he and your cat Lee Priest he yeah and
Then but now today there’s I know people like the the new generation is coming out they have like Sam suck on their wall he hasn’t even competed right he’s just just a social media dude that’s like extremely popular but like you know what’s crazy is um I don’t think any of
Us have pictures of of our our rooms when we were little I started off I had so I took my I took my closet doors off my wall and I put my bed in the my my bed like my headboard inside the closet and then the rest of my bed
Was on the outside right yeah and and on the on my closet doors on the sides I had pictures of girls in bikinis from Jet magazine that was my magazine I take so in my closet I had all these pictures of girls and we had pictures of Sean inside hold
On turn because later on those pictures c those pictures came down and naturally the pictures of the bodybuilders went up because that’s what I admired that’s what I liked so event I had all the guys Robbie Robinson Arnold I had all the guys in my room right I wish I had a
Pitch I had Jimmy Hendricks on the wall I had some you know the Saturday Night Fever poster I wish I had have tooken a picture a snapshot of what that looked like because for me as those pictures came down and and the bodybuilders went up it was a snapshot into what I was
What I wanted to be it was it reminded me where I wanted to go on a daily basis right I could see it today we don’t have that because all of our pictures are on our phone nobody prints out anything there’s no magazines when you come home
We have small reminders of trophies or medals but we don’t necessarily have the pictures because we don’t go get the pictures developed that’s true and and only time you see a poster is typically in a gym um and if you had a if you had posters today what modern day
Bodybuilder you gonna have on your wall right I mean for us who who’s gonna be up there so you’re right about Sam um there these insta famous guys that have never competed that have 5 10 15 million followers they’re not being followed for the same reason that I was that you were
On your on your wall yeah I mean there’s a reason why you so there’s a reason you put a picture on your wall I’m not sure how many pictures of Sam is on anybody’s walls uh I think people follow him because they’re able to you’re able to
Follow the the psyche of whatever he’s trying to sell out there um but when you had a picture on your room wall I mean on your closet door it meant something forget about who the person was right that picture was signifying something to you and for me I had everybody it was
All about admiration I loved Robbie Robinson’s Peak right I loved Arnold’s side chest pose Tom platz’s quad receps you know I saw Chris Dickerson’s Cavs picture of Mike Christian in the back po those were constant reminders of what I was doing on a daily basis when I went
To the gym and I come home my room and you know it’s like the first thing I see and the last thing I see uh when I wake up and go to bed and and look where it took me that was inspiration yeah yeah it’s not crazy I
Think it’s it’s good motivation it’s good inspiration yeah awesome when I was uh do you remember doing the battle for olympias Sean like how much do you remember the 90s I was the first subject yeah I was the first subject so mitsuru matsuru okabi came from Japan and he barely spoke English
Um he came um basically like any other Adventurer that wants to live the dream and he showed up down there at Gold’s Gym looking for people and personalities I was one of the first guys he met I was riding High I was like third second third fourth at the Mr Olympia and he
Became my friend he was a photographer he was a friend of a photographer then he started talking about getting permission to do the battle for the Olympia and now we’re going to go back to that [ __ ] Wayne deila that suspended me back in ‘ 89 um he thought
For some reason he needed permission and I I said mitz you don’t need permission if you want to film these guys it has nothing to do with the actual Olympia you’re going to be going to their homes you’re going to be going to the gyms you don’t need permission well behind back
He went and talked to Wayne and Wayne got this poor kid for $25,000 for the rights to come and film me to go and film Flex to go and film Lee this was not showing contest footage this was not the Olympia this is the road to the Olympia and Wayne deila took
That 25,000 put it in his pocket and told mitsuru go ahead go do whatever you want he didn’t have he didn’t have to do that he got ripped off but those videos for me were my lifestyles of the my Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous I was
One of the first subjects I I took it to another level because obviously 96 was our first year and first year yeah yeah I’m mad still mad I’m Jian y [Laughter] haer yeah I was pissing everybody off I’d watch I’d watch those every day at
Work back then back in the day and uh I was like one of the first uh I was one of the first mules for him so I kind of showed him like come to my house come over see how see how I’m leaving like
Look at my cars you know and and and I think we all started taking it to the next level everybody started showing off their cars and their houses it’s kind of cool yeah that’s awesome nice I’m G to jump into some questions here we got I put you know did the whole
Social media thing obviously and uh I want to we’ll start with from Jim j McMahon you know CEO mutant whatever that that thing know well yeah yeah he he wants to know what’s up between you and with you and Bob Bob chicaro why are you always hating on
Him Bob is my oldest friend in bodybing I mean listen if you can’t fight with your brother Who you gonna fight with I can hate on Bob from here till Sunday I know where the skeletons are buried and we can still have a steak dinner when we’re
Done um I met Bob I met Bob on a bodybuilding stage in Atlanta Georgia and we’ve been riding High ever since as a matter of fact I kicked Bob off into the pros the year I retired my entire career I retired after meeting Bob in 84 2001 that’s when Bob actually won his
Pro card so right so we could we couldn’t be more different but um one of the other one of the other starts I gave him my first pro show that I promoted was the Sha Ray Colorado proam and in Denver and Bob was working with Dan Solomon on a show called Pro
Bodybuilding weekly it was a radio show so it’s like a it was one of our original podcast Phil Heath won that right did Phil Heath win that first one he did okay yes he did I never that yeah I took Dan and Bob and I put
Them on my stage and said do your podcast Radio Show as my MC’s so they actually had a desk headphones and the mic and they actually were doing their little stick on stage instead of just an MC standing behind a Podium I thought it was really cool they need to go back to
That format by the way it’s kind of like watching Bas you know how you watch basketball they’re sitting right there and they that’s how I think that they should call that instead of these uh you know you watch the monitor backstage and you commentate on the on the show these
Guys should be on the stage doing it that way anyway I kicked them in I gave them a big boost Pro bodybuilding uh weekly and then two years later I left uh the weer um company and I went over and worked with muscular development Steve bman and I was with Steve for 10
Years and when I left I was actually the MC of the Mr Olympia and the second year that I was mcing the Olympia I believe it was 2006 maybe 2007 um I they were asking me who would I recommend to do the Olympia um hosting
And I said let’s bring in Bob chick he’s got that Barone voice he’s kind of like oh no you started this yeah he’s got the whole Wayne Newton thing going on and you’re bring B so I helped him get his job we both the Olympia and he did he was so good at
What he was doing I was like okay now I can I can I can get out of here right it’s my my dream wasn’t my dream was to be Mr Olympia not to be the host of the Olympia I did it I got the T-shirt I was
Done so I I passed the scepter off on to Bob and uh of course the controversy was muscular development and Mr Olympia were competitors and I couldn’t continue working with musular development and doing work for the Olympia so I stayed with with Steve blechman I was done with working with
The Olympia team and in flex and muscle and fitness and ultimately when flex and muscle and fitness was going down of course good old Sean Bob’s rival reached back through Bob a Lifeline I brought him over to muscular development for his Bobs servations column in and I reached
Over and I got Dan Sol because Dave Palumbo was trying to ruin Dan Solomon by going to RX muscle I brought Dan Solomon over to muscular development so there’s a lot of history back and forth between me Bob and Dan coming coming up in this industry but there is absolutely
No animosity there’s no vit all there’s no hat we love each other like brothers awesome and guess what oh by the way guess what now Bob is with us over at mutant I know this guy’s riding my coattail still to this day so I know he
Came in like a couple years after you of course like everything else he’s always a little bit slow yeah speaking speaking of that I did I did message him tell him to write me back bugger did he write you back no no of course not you’re not
You’re dealing with Bob man you’re right here you’re dealing with an OG Pro this I’m prompt I get [ __ ] done you were on top of it he’s just he’s seen it let me tell you let me tell you here here’s here’s a b here’s a bob story all right
The Arnold Classic’s coming up Mr Olympia’s over what I think it was over in November or December last year yeah soon as the Olympia’s over I got my ticket for the AO classic in Ohio I don’t want to mess around over the holidays and the new year and screw
Around and and get bumped because getting out of Ohio on a Sunday is very hard to do I get my ticket literally the week of the M Olympia we’re in January we’re talking you get your Olympia ticket no they’re going to take care of it okay February comes hey Bob they get
Your ticket no they haven’t got it yet I said pop here’s what you do get your plane ticket take a screenshot send it to the organizer and tell them to book your ticket and be done with it oh they’re going to handle everything they’re going to handle their oh no he
Is constantly he’s constantly crying about the fact that the promoters that are paying him to do his job don’t get his plane tickets in time I go Bob get your own plane ticket have them reimburse you I’m constantly putting the diaper on this baby all the
Time trust me it’s a lot of work oh okay that it sounds like it might be a handful even to try to organize him with this so I don’t know no you you you you’ll get you’ll get him but I gotta remind him to call in it’s like
Ohw that’s funny yeah um all right we pull some some a couple more questions I know you got a you’re waiting you got a steak waiting for you so yeah we got to try to make these a little quick um and oh need it uh where you go I’m
Retired what is what is the what is the state of judging today do you find it different uh from when you were a competitor very much so listen that Mr Olympia title looks like it’s going to change hands every year when I was competing that wasn’t the case you know
The Mr Olympia stayed within three people for 22 consecutive years okay that’s longer than my daughter has been alive my daughter will be 19 in August so can you imagine that all of those obstacles that were thrown at the defending Mr Olympia Champions Ronnie dor I shouldn’t say
Ronnie I’m say Nasser Flex Kevin Chris Vince Taylor um I mean we threw everything in the kitchen sink at these three guys and there were it was in impenetrable to try to get through um so what do you wind up with you wind up with Muhammad uh MAA with two Mr Olympia
Runner UPS Lee Labrada two Mr Olympia runner-ups Sea Ray two Mr Olympia Runner UPS Flex wheeler three Mr Olympia Runner UPS Kevin lone four Mr Olympia Runner UPS Jay Cutler six Olympia first runner UPS it’s ridiculous when you start looking at it that way to think that
These guys were so good that they can hold off these Hall of Fame bodybuilders and on any given day one of us yeah uh could have penetrated that become Mr Olympia could have changed the direction it could have changed the look and I say that to say this nobody out there is
This dominating force that you would bet a dollar or $100,000 that they’re going to repeat as Mr Olympia it’s just do you think maybe because everybody so many times in the past 10 years huh do you think like maybe because everybody is so good right now
Or is it just like I don’t know that there no not let’s back back up not everybody top couple listen there may be there may be there may be a couple of guys in the past five years a couple of guys in the last five years that I would
Consider maybe Hall of Fame athletes Hall of Fame bodybuilder in my time I mean in the 90s where do I start right you know I mean different 9s was so deep the90s category was so much deeper now did they get worse I I listen I don’t know is box is boxing better today
Than it was back in the 90s I don’t think so I don’t think so well we see what happen when Tyson comes up with h what’s his name there you’re gonna yeah you’re gonna take a 60 year old up against a 20 something year old I
Mean I mean it’s all it’s all wishful thinking I don’t know and it’s not it’s not a knock on the the bodybuilders listen we’re trying to compare eras yes no one’s ever been successful comparing eras we all lose we can’t compare the eras yeah but what we can say is what we
Can say is we’re not looking at a stack lineup of Hall of Fame future bodybuilders we’re looking at a couple of guys that are really good um that Olympia title the 90s were the best ERA like you Kevin Flex dor Ronnie like like you guys you realize when you say when you say
The 90s though we realize we’re going back 24 years so I know there’s going to be guys like there’ll be guys like Branch Warren there’ll be guys like Victor Martinez there so there were so many there were so many compared to now I mean yeah so many so many like
Potential Mr Olympia winners I guess we’ll say yeah there was a lot more guys that could have actually woned that didn’t um yeah in the past in the past 10 years we’re looking at you know the end of the Phil Heath era Shawn Rhoden big Romy no if we just take Shawn Rhoden
Big Romy um Derek uh hotti chupan I think those are the only ones that have won it in the last like 10 years right sounds about right post post Phil he y yeah Brandon Curry Brandon curry curry if we put those we take those five guys and
Put them on the stage and then let’s just say we’re going to take the class of 1999 myself Premier nasarel sbody Kevin Leone Flex wheeler we can throw Ronnie Coleman in there too if we have those five and these five I’m not so sure we’re going
To be looking over here we’re going to be looking back at the past for quality for balance for detail um we are where we are right and like like why do you suppose that is is it just like uh just the way people are like their personal genetics or is it
Like work ethic is it like the the chemicals used today where do you think like what is separating these physiques or is it just everyone’s going everyone’s just trying to be a mass monster that’s what it is they’re not all that they’re not that bigger I who
Who up there’s bigger than nass Elon body I mean yeah not really or who’s bigger than Dorian who’s bigger than Ronnie right so like maybe like the the chase of it they have better access to better stuff the equipment’s better the nutrition’s better the supplements are
Better so where are we going wrong I’ll tell you you know when I came up there’s a thing called teenage bodybuilding and I got started at 17 years old um Jay Cutler’s a teen National Champion Branch Warren is a teen National Champion uh Chris Cormier won the teenage USA I won
The teenage Nationals uh Rich kaspari turned pro at 20 years old these guys that were doing it back when I was doing it we we got a running start into our 20s so by time we were 25 again Lee Haney won the 1979 team national championships you know to give you
Perspective Lee Haney won the team Nationals in 79 he won the freaking Junior Nationals he won the national championships in 82 third in his first Olympia in 1983 wins the Mr Olympia in 1984 and he’s 24 years old and he retires at 31 with seven Olympia titles
At 31 years old that’s amazing so right yeah you got to ask yourself where are you spending your time in your 20s where were you as a teenager we built a base as teenagers that by the time we were we were we were built like
Men and these guys that are doing it now you know you look at a guy like Chris Bumstead 28 29 30 years old and they look at him like Arnold we’ve seen that physique a million times in the 90s and as good as that physique is now if you
Put it in the 90s with the boys it’s not gonna it’s not going to match up but we look at it now and we go it’s the closest thing that we have to the 90s I’m telling Chris bum said look roll the dice man jump in the m Olympia contest
Make the judges decide do they want this over here or do they want what you’re presenting he won’t do it I like he doesn’t think he doesn’t think that that’s where he wants to go with his career but I it would be a dream come true because I can tell you twice on
Sunday they’re going to give him the Mr Olympia title just because more people appeal to that look more people want to be like that and you know when you got a guy that’s popular they can do anything Michael Jackson was selling Pepsi Cola Mike Tyson was selling Pepsi Cola
Michael Jordan put on the Air Jordans I remember Alan Iverson Hall of Fame basketball player looks over at Michael Jordan goes you’re wearing the Jordans you know I mean this is this is Allan Iverson one of the greatest basketball players and the Jordans were impressing him so I think everybody wants to be
Like the more popular guy and right now Chris Bumstead has a wave of popularity not because he’s making some crazy posts and making outlandish things but because he looks a certain way that I think men and women alike love I loved what Bob Paris brought to the stage in 1983 I
Wanted to be Bob Paris every guy wanted to be Bob Paris and every girl wanted to be with Bob Paris there’s only one winner in that that’s the guy that he was with but she had a universal look he had a universal look that every man could relate to and every woman
Wanted and and right now Bumstead is the modern day Bob Paris I think he’s making a mistake he’s putting himself on an island he’s going to go into a show that everybody knows he can win he’s won it five times before and I’m going to keep
On uh you know giving him a hard time because I think the true challenge is changing divisions and and replicating what he’s already done we we’re going to go watch a movie we’ve already seen five times huh that that would bring the crowd would be and the views for that
For that Olympia would be unbelievable listen I’m not Nostradamus but I told Derek Lunsford what he could do and he’s living he’s living the dream right now I told him before long before he went into the open division after he won the USA championships came in the
212 I think he got second place the first time then the next time he wins the 212 I said man you need to be in the open you need to forget this 212 you already won the 212 go open and he goes and guess poses for Jim Manion everybody
Says go do open he does the open you know and ultimately he wins the open this could be Chris Bumstead that we’re talking about and he would be legendary and he would be forever remembered listen you won five classic physique olympias is six really going to be that
Impressive I mean we expect you to win you beat these guys before you beat them five times already I mean Sid Gill won seven Sid Gill has won seven women’s physique Olympia championships Andrea Shaw has won four Miz Olympia titles are we gonna be surprised when she wins
Number five are we going to be that much more impressed if Sid Gillan wins eight I mean not really if Bumstead goes in the open and becomes Mr Olympia it changes the landscape of our whole industry on a number of levels it would it changes what it changes what we think
Mr Olympia should look like and I’m gonna keep on saying it just to keep pissing him off because I believe that and I’m really [Laughter] wrong it um we want to know about uh couple more questions before we go we want to uh really curious about you
Joining mutant team how did that come about and like is that something that you’ve been looking at doing for a while do you or did they just approach you what’s what’s the deal with that yeah I mean sometimes the stars align and timing is right um I had worked with
Several different nutrition companies off and on because I was always doing promotions so I was promoting a couple of lines here and there and there was about a two-year period where I wasn’t doing anything and a friend of mine reached out to me and asked me if I was
With a supp company and I told her no and then she put me in touch with a guy that said you know we’re rebranding we’re trying to do some things are you receptive to having a conversation and I said yeah I mean I’m over here doing my
Thing I’m grinding I got the Shawn Ray classic I’m mcing the Arnold Classic I’m traveling all over the world making appearances um let’s see what she got they got me on an airplane I went up there I fell in love and we made a baby
And now it’s like you know I got Sean Clarita and got Andrea Shaw on board with us and we’re blowing up um one of the good things is that I found found out along the way was there was no ego involved because I came in Rich Pian and
When I looked at the brand it kind of it had it had this little Edge to it that I wasn’t really I’m kind of a cleancut guy and um I didn’t really know what they wanted to do with the brand and what they were trying to do with the with the
With the marketing side but me being so well connected I said I can open some doors for you guys give you some exposure where you don’t have especially in North America over here in in am I North America or South America Canada is North America I don’t in the United
States how how’s that yeah we so so I started knocking on doors and and one of the big doors I opened up was the Arnold Classic where you saw us there this past year with some major major footprint Arnold huge huge uh accomplishment for mutant yeah and I was already working
With the Olympia so introducing them reintroducing them to the Olympia platform and I’ve gotten them um you know in some places that they haven’t been and they’ve done really well with uh taking care of the athletes um bringing on people that aren’t first class athletes so giving even the small
Person an opportunity to belong and uh right now when I look around uh the industry I mean I see mutant more than I see anybody else and I remember there was a time where you know you constantly saw one brand here or one brand there and right now you know we did some
Rebranding some repackaging some new products we’re kicking some major mass and I’m glad to be on the team uh I got one more question about that when this when this dropped when this dropped what does that make you feel like when you see that like you’re again you have you’re on a
Supplement your picture is everywhere it what does that feel man what is that like does that I just imagine how that feels so I was 22 years old I just done the New York Pro KN of Champions they changed the name and Twin Labs owned by C Blackman and his twin brother
Approached me for a photo to be on their one of their most famous products called Rip Fuel and they showed me the picture they were going to use taken by Mike nevu from Iron Man magazine and by the time they made the product and started marketing it my head didn’t make the cut
It was just my torso I was doing my famous pose and and there was no head so I get my big break and you cut my head off um so later on later on Joe Weider comes out with the line called the victory line I was just coming off of second place in
94 uh I was on the Phil Donahue show being one of America’s most elville bachelors and uh I was all over the place getting second to Dorian and they came out with the victory line I was doing the flex magazine workout and they did an ad campaign with myself and the
Brada and a few other people and and I got to tell you when you’re actually when you see yourself in a magazine you know as a pit person selling a product uh it’s surreal because it takes you back to when you were a teenager and you saw the other people you know Charles
Atlas you know with the dumbbells and the You Know Jack Bane and and they’re selling stuff it really does does kind of come full circle um in terms of my body of work when I was approached with the all-in campaign and I had an opportunity to exclusively sign um that
Prodct with my name on it it made for me it gave more validation to what I did with all the Blood Sweat and Tears the six meals a day the living by myself the [ __ ] dog was my only companion the girls that I had to kick out of the
House the parties that I had to miss and here I am I’m on the I’m on the I’m on the bottle right and and it’s not just here in California it’s all across the country and around the world it it it does validate in hindsight the things
That you sacrifice and you don’t know know I mean this is this is a second act for me because I’m 58 years old and to be working with a product that other amateurs are taking on their way up reminds me of when I was taking the products with other athletes that were
On them when I was coming up so it it feels validated um and rewarding and and I certainly don’t take it for granted you know um I I’m here for Jim McMahon being born the same year I was Bob chick being born the same where I mean I I
Feel like I’m getting old with the right people at the right time in the right place I have a few more questions but you guys down there do you got something I just I don’t want to take it I don’t want to take off everything what did you know when you
Were just getting started so you were a teenager what did you know that no one else knew what were you doing that no one else was doing because you were enormous by the time you were 20 yeah I I think it was my discipline my ability to block out the noise my
Ability to not feel my ability to just kind of believe I was believing what I was being told what I was being fed was I was going to be teenage Mr America and DOL Washington at the time when I started was Teenage Mr America and he
Might as well have been a grown man he was the biggest teenager I’d ever seen and and that dream was a million miles away but I knew instead of running I needed to walk instead of standing I needed to sit instead of driving I needed to ride I needed to conserve all
My energy for the gym and I needed to treat my training Partners as sparring partners remember I’m the same age as Mike Tyson we came up side by side my mentality was coming off of a lot of the things that he was saying um and and I was indoctrinating myself with I’m not
Going to work out I’m going to fight you know the the gym was not a place where I was going to shoot the [ __ ] and I was a silent killer because I didn’t like to talk about the workout I just like to turn the heat up increase the
Repetitions start doing Drop sets start doing super sets um do more volume and if you were hanging with me it was like now we start you doing the cardio first most guys didn’t want to do cardio back in the day so we do 45 minutes of cardio instead of starting with squat instead
Of starting with squats we’re starting with leg extensions then go into leg presses then we go to squats so I would start doing these little tricks to try to beat my training partner without telling him what I’m doing and that psychological um belief that I’m I’m
Mike you know I I felt like it was always a fight I wasn’t the biggest and and and the Cockiness the Cockiness was coming because I was winning I was I had the hardware behind me I I I had the trophies I had the magazine articles I
Had the the feedback that just continue not feed my ego but it was feeding my belief that I can do it and remember I met my heroes Tom Platz and I looked eye to eye Chris Dickerson was an inch shorter than me Samir Vu and I we looked
Eyeball to eyeball Rich kaspari was 5’8 I was 5’7 I didn’t think these were mythical people anymore they were no longer seven feet tall and 500 pounds these guys were these guys were nothing special in terms of putting on their clothes I didn’t I didn’t I didn’t think that I couldn’t
Become them and so I surrounded myself with people that actually believed that I could be there and I was always on the positive side of like okay I’m getting out of here before these Club lights come on I’m not going to be out here on
Last call I gotta go eat you know I I gotta feed the machine so I got myself out of trouble because I continually came home and picked up the magazines or I popped in the VC VHS tape and reminded what I was trying to be and I was trying
To be teenage Mr when that when that goal as teenage Mr America disappeared the next goal was Junior world then the next goal was Mr California so my goals were always right in front of me as I started to achieve and it didn’t give me
The time to wander or to flounder and I didn’t win everything when I lost I just had to reevaluate but I I always was on a mission I think that’s what really kept me focused I was I was disciplined that’s separated me from the others Sean always pretty sorry were you
Always a pretty jacked guy like even when you were in like say middle school or Junior High were you were you one of the bigger kids I mean I know not yeah it it wasn’t uh thanks for that um no it wasn’t until I got uh when I got in high
School is when I took a serious as a sophomore and then I did my first competition as a junior and when I did my first competition I actually did a powerlifting show first and I won the powerlifting in in high school then the then they they attached a moniker to me
As a running back that Shawn Ray becomes Shawn Ray’s the muscle behind the Hawks uh Shawn Ray muscles for 120 yards Sean you know it was they started putting this moniker behind me and then I was in the newspapers not just running the football but I’d be in the newspapers
Actually lifting weights and flexing my muscles while I was in high school so I had once I got a little bit of that it just it becomes very addicting right sure and and I went to every gym in California I I didn’t train at the same
Place all the time I I wanted to meet the other bodybuilders I wanted to see who was doing what I wanted to meet the challenges that other bodybuilders could bring so I think variety for me kept me kept it very interesting um but I think what separated me from the other guys
Was that when I learned that I needed to consume calories that’s what I did I didn’t have it I didn’t miss workouts and I didn’t miss meals Sean in all your wins what was your most memorable and greatest your greatest win you yeah it was it was the national
Championships because you got to remember when you start out when I started out in 1983 Bob Paris was was the guy I saw him and Samir Buu won the Olympia but Bob won the Nationals and the universe and he was on all the magazines and of
Course he’s 6’1 white 230 pounds I look nothing like him but you know I think when you’re a kid you let your imagination take you wherever the hell it’s going to take you right I wanted to be Bob Paris and then I realized hell Samir bonu was almost my size this guy
Is Mr Olympia not only that not only that but Chris Dickerson’s my size and he’s Mr Olympia so it became more realistic to me that I could maybe be like them and not Bob even though Bob had everything that you wanted in in the looks and the the Aesthetics these were
The two best bu men in the world in 82 and 83 and as I looked a little bit further down the list I saw Muhammad mway was smaller than both of those guys this might be something that I can actually do so when I won the Nationals
When I won the Nationals in ‘ 87 that meant I’m a pro that meant I joined the fraternity of Bob Paris Lee Haney Mike Christian Gary stum uh Phil Williams I remember like it was yesterday mind you I’m talking about the 80s okay I can’t tell you I can’t tell
You over the past five years one song that any bodybuilder posed to at the Mr Olympia but I can tell you as a teenager coming up who did what in the 80s because I wanted it that much I was a sponge so winning the national championships it validated my walk away
From football it validated to my dad that I was not going to be a janitor and and carry the torch for the family business and it validated to them that me throwing away the egg Yol peeling off this the skin from the chicken draining the water from the the tuna and cooking
Fish and stinking up the house yeah it gave it all valid it gave it all validation because remember my family my family saw the end result of what I was doing they didn’t go to the gym they they watched me play football so they knew that the practice would lead to the
Game but what they weren’t witnessing in the gym they could only see the end result when the pictures came out or when the contest came around they didn’t see what was underneath the clothes I wasn’t walking around the house flexing in front of my mom and showing off my
Muscles for my dad it was like here’s another trophy here’s another trophy you know and then and then when the magazines came out I mean it just it blew their doors off because they didn’t think I could actually look that way I I took it to another level when I became a
Pro and uh that was very satisfying to see the looks on their faces and I I I I imagine it’s like my daughter my daughter does music right so she in the studio doing all of her music I’m not there I’m not hearing her practice I’m
Not watching her write the music I don’t hear the the drums the I don’t hear anything she comes home the other day and says here’s the here’s the first cut of my first song and I put the headphones on mind blown I I definitely know I definitely I definitely know I felt the
Way my parents felt when they saw me for the first time in a magazine right they had no idea that I was going to become the guy that was on the wall and I had plenty of them I had Chris Dickerson I had muhamad MAA I had Rich gaspari the
Then my picture is on the wall and they I know what that feels like because listening to what my daughter’s doing with her music I used to tell her to shut up and stop singing it sounds like noise she’s making music and when you when you hear the music drop you’ll
You’ll you’ll come back and and and hopefully validate what I’m hearing yeah it’s a good feeling awesome awesome you guys got you guys got anything else before I have like two more questions you roll on you roll on buddy you roll on I don’t want to take and I
Don’t take too much more of your time man um uh I’m really curious about your workout TV show how the hell that happened awesome here here in Canada we had a thing called body break with Joan M cloud and um what’s the other what’s the how Hal Johnson Hal Johnson Jo right
We on TV we learned about I don’t know like going for runs and you know healthy eating or like you know doing Pilates classes or whatever but you you put on some pretty awesome content be way before YouTube right this is where like this was this is like how that was that
Was for television that was TV so this is how a lot of people learned like yeah who was on the show with you Sean like PR what Pros were on the show with you Boyer Co what PR what Pros weren’t on the show we had everybody so we wanted
What it was is we were trying to bring Flex magazine to life so all the people that were in Flex magazine were trying to bring on and just to go you know to go down the list I mean we had Frank Zayn Ed corny um obviously my co-host
Borer Co Flex Le Lee Priest uh Vince Taylor JJ Marsh literally The Who’s Who of bodybuilding Linda Murray um to help just kind of show here’s the problem I ran into because they knew I had to gift the gab I was already commentating for ESPN on the bodybuilding shows that were taking
Place when they asked me to do the show we filmed like 21 episodes in two week time and I think we had like we were doing like on sometimes we were doing four shows in one day the problem is I’m the host so I’m not supposed to be in
There like training with you but we bring in Nasser or flex and Kevin and they see the cameras rolling and it’s like Mike Tyson when he puts the gloves on he wants to fight these these Fu think it’s a workout we’re we’re doing a demonstration guys calm down on the wait
They they were killing me because I I have to I have to explain what’s going on if you watch the show you’ll see that when they’re working out um they’re actually training and then when I actually do the weight they’re just counting repetitions they’re not even explaining what I’m doing uh they’re or
No answers like they’re there to kick my butt on television so I was aware that you know I there’s no way I can keep up with these guys training this this year so yeah so these guys were actually using real weights and they were they weren’t very descriptive when it came
Their time to talk about it when I’m training they weren’t really describing they were just counting reps waiting to CH you know jump back in so they could do another set add more weight try to embarrass me I had to have the wherewithal to hold back because when
They left I’m training here with JJ Marsh when I was done with this show JJ left I had a fresh professional come in or two to now do another body part and have to do it all over again like fresh I got I got paid so cheaply I
Should have asked for a whole lot more money um but you know what I was just really tickled that I’m able to do something I love and it was going to go beyond um my my uh my my my VHS tapes this was going into this is going on
Television so it helped make me um more more of a household name it it validated my career my parents loved it it was on at ungal the hours out here was like 5 o’clock in the morning on the on the west coast but uh it was a good time and I
Didn’t get hurt nobody got h on that show and uh I I wish we could replicate that and do it again but you know with the internet uh everybody has their own little sting going on and television’s kind of going the way the aack yeah met [ __ ] cool I met him several
Times so I met him in 1989 I met him in ‘ 89 right when he was getting with uh Robin given um I was on my way to I was on my way to Bristol Tennessee I mean these are the things that you remember because there’s no way
You can forget it it’s Mike Tyson right he’s at Peak of his career and I I’m at LAX I see the I see the crowd kind of gathering around I got my plane ticket and I’m actually talking to some gospel singers um it was BB WIS from the
Famous um gospel group BB and CC wiins um but he was traveling with his sister Debbie so it was BB winens and Debbie uh wiins and I get on the plane and I’m sitting in between the two I’m sitting right in the middle and and Debbie’s on
One side and and Cece’s on the other Mike comes on the plane of course everybody’s trying to get his pitch he’s he’s he’s the champ this is before Buster Douglas but he fought Buster in 1990 but he’s he’s doing this whole thing with Robin given and Mike comes in
Comes down down the the the jetway and he knows Cece and I’m thinking holy [ __ ] he’s coming right for me I’m thinking he’s walking to me right and he comes over and he and he starts talking to Cece but when he’s talking with CeCe C uh not CC BB uh I
Gave BB a magazine I was on the cover of uh musle magag International Canada when I was standing on top of a tractor I was on a tractor I’m not sure if you remember that cover shot but I’m showing uh C BB the magazine and he starts to
Show it to Mike and Mike’s talking about he’s been in the Gold’s Gym and these girls too muscular but he’s dropping all these F bombs I’m feeling really uncomfortable because this is a a God-fearing guy he’s like a gospel family there’s 10 of these guys the
Whing and then uh later on during the flight he’s taking pictures he’s got a camera and he’s trying to work his camera and it just it was really a strange encounter two years later two years later this is after he he loses to Buster Douglas you know he’s the whole
Uh maror Scene goes of crap I’m in a strip club in Las Vegas called cheetahs and Mike’s coming in and I’m coming out and I’m I’m remembering our little encounter on the airplane I’m thinking that he would remember me of all people I’m forgetting the guy’s getting
He’s getting hit in the head yeah like you like how you felt exactly yeah I like what’s up you know I kind of tap him in the CH I give him a small backand to the chest like hey what’s up it’s me he kind of grabbed my hand and then his
People rushed him right by him like I felt like the jilted ex lover like he just walked get it and remember this isn’t 91 this isn’t 91 I’m still Shawn Ray man what the hell you doing so long story short 200 uh probably about five or six years ago he
Came to Hawaii on his Mike Tyson tour that he was doing where he wor the headset and he was telling his little story well I’m in Hawaii because I’m promoting my bodybuilding show and I get to go see his standup I’m listening to the standup I wait till the end I go to
Take my phone out to go take a picture with him they confiscate your phone because they they’re goingon to you have to take the picture with their phone right and they email you the photo so I take the picture with Mike my friend is the one that sets the whole thing up and
A week goes by and I’m just jonesing because I don’t have my Mike Tyson picture nobody’s gonna believe I I’m with Mike finally they email me finally they email me the picture and I can validate the story I’ve been telling for a whole week tyon
Finally he he was so high and smelt like marijuana that he would never remember me even to this day and of course it was later on that he went into the marijuana business smart move for him yeah yeah made a small fortune yeah awesome that’s by Mike Tyson
Story a good that was a good a good I’ll send you the picture when when we’re done I’ll send you the picture it’s one of my most PR possessions I want to see it yeah I want to see it here’s the thing here’s the thing here’s the thing
Um you mentioned you had a picture of me mind you I’m meeting the Mike Tyson we’re the same age this is the guy 16 17 18 years old that custom told him you’re going to be the youngest heavyweight champion of the world I remember his interviews I remember Mike saying this
Over and over again that you know he didn’t want to let custom a down he bought into everything custom was saying I bought into everything I was being fed as a teenager that I was GNA be the next Mr Olympia or Mr Olympia I believed that
[ __ ] to its core the only reason I win as far as I did was because I believed it and partially why I was believing so strongly was because we witnessed it what Mike was doing to his competitors he was doing it because he was programmed as a teenager they told him
That he believed that [ __ ] and he was going out doing I was being programmed I believed it I was channeling all of my Mike Tyson isms when I had the opportunity in the gym with somebody that I was working out with as much as you can because you know there’s no
Animosity in the gym you just have to train your ass off and try to try to exhaust your partner so I believed when I was training that I was Mike and now I’m meeting this guy and he smells like marijuana and he doesn’t give a [ __ ] that I’m taking a picture he doesn’t
Remember the story from 1989 and I’m just blown away Sean one one quick question I’ll leave you alone Tyson or Jake Paul you know again we’re talking about errors right so it won’t it won’t end well for Jake Paul T if he beats Tyson
If he beats Tyson he beat up an old man right and mind you I don’t know how much weed Mike has smoked since I first met him back back in the day till now um but you know I I just don’t I’m not a real believer now that
We’re living in this age where I wouldn’t I wouldn’t doubt if those two were [ __ ] practicing right now together you know like there’s like it’s a WWE like it’s entertainment boxing right no Jake doesn’t want to hurt Mike and I know Mike doesn’t want to get hurt
He makes too much money he’s got too much let’s give him a show I wouldn’t be surprised if on some level these guys aren’t choreographing [ __ ] and uh remember when remember when Rocky met to remember when Rocky met thunder lips yeah Hogan y yeah yeah yeah
You know Hulk Hogan hul Hogan was Hulk Hogan and stone was thinking hey wait a minute we’re just this is supposed to be for fun we’re living in an age now where look they’re both gonna get paid no matter what happens exactly you know we don’t want to hurt each other let’s give
Him a show I I I don’t think we’re going to see a fight so I’m not going to buy into the idea that Mike has all these this thing this hunger and in skill I don’t I don’t I think it’s going to be a show man I mean Mayweather ran for eight
Rounds and got $300 million nobody got hurt I think so too I’m not going to pay for it but I’m going to watch it yeah at least on on one end it’s it’s gotten Mike Tyson back in shape so that’s great yeah and you know what listen remember you can be in
Shape looks for de receiving right you can be in shape but but you know it’s still not a fight a fight’s different and we know that Mike’s not he’s not a guy that’s gonna go eight rounds so yeah Mike Mike’s good for two rounds the third round he’s gonna lose
You know if Jake Paul can run for three rounds and and and tire him out because you got all you have to do is look at Mike’s last few fights Mike quit on the ground like he didn’t have it in him he wasn’t hungry you know he was fighting
To pay the IRS what what incentive does Mike Tyson have to beat up on this guy and Mike is Mike is my age so he knows he has to be 100% segregated from this guy he’s got to think that this guy’s taking food off my table he’s got to
Believe that this guy’s coming in to kill him it’s not or or else it’s not a fight if he thinks anything less than that it’s just gonna be a show yeah it’s gonna Mike Mike’s got a different mindset right is he than than most people
Right he doesn’t want to get hit he’s 60 years old man and he’s and Roy Jones Jr was not a brawler his last fight with Roy Jones Jun Roy Jones I don’t even think hit him yeah yeah I and Ry Jones Jr is a killer he was killing people back in his
Prime I think this is going to be entertainment boxing I think Mike’s going to win because that’s the storyline and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re practicing right now I know if I was Mike I’d be practicing with him yeah that’d be smart choice for sure what about Sean what about you uh
When you’re going to go for a vacation or something like that do you uh do you do a little mini cut and up the dose a little bit absolutely not bro I’m 100% retired um I ride my bike on a regular I walk I do an hour of cardio it’s real
Easy I I I put on my headphones I watch the news or I watch a podcast I watch a lot of dat line I watch a lot a lot of Judge Judy um but an hour goes by really quick on on a treadmill I do it on an
Empty stomach my breakfast usually comes to me around 10 10:30 and then I eat usually around right now like 5 or six o’clock two meals a day I’m good I eat whatever I want uh my breakfast is pretty much the same it’s usually eggs fruit oatmeal but uh I I’m not trying to
Do anything physically I want to be functional um if I if you see me in the weight room I’m usually usually using the bar it’s just for movement functional training I’m I’m injury free I don’t have any aches or pains I continually watch these guys on
Instagram uh if you want to learn what not to do and I’m going to call you out rich I love you like a brother go watch Rich gaspari what he’s doing is nothing short of amazing but he’s an accident waiting to happen um he’s gonna be the
Next Ronnie Coleman if he doesn’t slow on but right now look if if you get hurt doing what you love more power to you I’m I’m not trying to get hurt I came too far to get hurt when I watch rich I think he was doing like four plates on the freaking
Deadlifts um squatting and leg presses he’s an accident waiting to happen and if he’s not careful he’s GNA be sitting in a freaking wheelchair but I would not I would not want to trade places with Rich kaspar right now he’s training like he’s 19 years old I isn’t he going
Yeah yeah wow I I I tell him I said dude you I don’t know what you’re chasing right now but there’s only one thing waiting for you and that’s an injury right on that right on that note one of the last questions would it is a
Good time to back out like well listen as a competitor you back out yeah when you’re when you’re a competitor when when you realize you’re not training to win right um I got to a point where I was it was about business you know I had
Some contracts I was obligated to um uh if you watch my last press conference I think you I did everything except throw up the middle finger to the judges who are going to judge me that weekend my passion was coming from lack of transparency was scoring lack of
Transparency with prize money lack of Revenue share with the Pay-Per-View I had a lot of things going on that last Olympia where I was fed up but in in hindsight I think I just came to the reality that it was no longer fun so if it’s not fun don’t stick around man
Because you you can get hurt doing something you know for me it was a job it was work this was I I could see in the magazines who I was competing against this [ __ ] was it’s not for the faint-hearted you know these guys weren’t phoning it in you can’t fake
Bodybuilding so yeah I didn’t want to get up there and embarrass myself I wound up in fourth place in my last Olympia which was better than my first one where I was 13th uh there was nowhere for me to go but down Jay Cutler was getting his his very first first run
Up he was young uh Ronnie Coleman was on his fourth win um there was nothing left for me to prove I was 36 years old I had a lot of other distractions in terms of what I thought life was going to be in store for me and I’m living I’m living
It with zero regrets I know a lot of guys that stayed around uh a couple of punches too long and and you know they still suffer some injuries know Chris Cormier hurt his back and you know there’s some guys that aren’t even with us anymore cuz they hung around too long
Trying to do [ __ ] they shouldn’t have been doing so I think what is not fun I think when you’re not making progress and I think when your mind is taking you somewhere other than War you know I was my last Olympia I went in that thing
Pretty civilized and you need to be at War you need to have some piss and vinegar and be mad at something and uh there were things I wanted to do that I just continually put off for such a long time that I was running off that Olympia
Stage um just to get the hell out of there I was done I was burnt speaking of that Jamie you still got that Jam’s three less than three weeks out now and he’s still awake so congratulations I still have I still have that burning burning feeling to win
That desire I have it it’s still there I’m I’ll be 51 in August and I started when I was 18 yeah I can I could tell you with guys especially with the Masters you know they might not have had their 20s and their teens to dedicate
The way that I did um and so they’re making up for lost time you know some people got into business and they raised their family and they finally came into a situation where they could afford to do something for the it’s great to have that for the Masters right but you got
To remember I did it from 17 to 36 years old I gave away the best years of my life to just eat sleeping and training I I didn’t want to do the same thing going into my 40s and so to make sure yeah to make sure that I turned the corner um
You know I wanted to make a baby and and start do having some grown-up responsibilities right I had zero responsibilities and then in my later you know later on after I had my two daughters I found out seven and a half years ago that I had a daughter in high
School and yeah I was taking back I found out found out that I had a daughter found out I had a daughter when she was 35 years old and uh I said what took you so long to come find me and she said well I had
Parents I was adopted when I was 6 days old and we just decided to do this ancestor and then she connected with one of my cousins and my cousin my cousin connected with me and then I found out I had a 35-year-old and I had three grandkids connect ever since find your
Father is Shawn Ray so that was cool yeah two weeks later and then on the other side too the flip side but holy [ __ ] yeah two two weeks later my brother found out he had a daughter and had and three grandkids wow my God welcome your family just went
Yeah that’s I did awesome I started out doing the family thing so yeah well here’s the thing that could have changed my life had I known as a teenager that I had a daughter could have changed the trajectory 100% and uh you know she came
Into my life at the right time um when I’m at the right age um her parents are still very active and and they’re just they’re Saints they they they adopted like three kids three other kids back when she was young and ow she’s fully functional uh got a
Master’s degree um married three kids so I’m really proud that she turned out good she helped work my Hawaii show and I’m the Hawaii so I got an extended family as a result of something that I always wanted when I was bodybuilding you know I was sitting in my house alone
Eating all those meals and and dreaming of the day I’d have a dog right and I I W up with three I wound up with three daughters and I got three grandkids it’s amazing turned out really good good for you buddy that’s incredible well we’ll we’ll leave it on
That high note that’s great yeah yes yeah man that’s it’s a good one yeah buddy uh so happy that you took the time to join us like this was incredible thank you so much well just real quick one of the things I’m doing be beyond my show in Hawaii November 16th
Um you can go visit my website at build withth pros.com it’s kind of a coaching site motivational site I’m just kind of regurgitating all the information that helped make me who I was uh it’s muscle Mastery courses it’s deals with diet training nutrition competition motivation everything I got I put into
This website check it out give it a like and a follow on Instagram build withth pros.com and if you’re interested in getting one of the courses they’re available individually or collectively there’s seven courses beautiful oh awesome before so much SE the your your um your show in Hawaii
Right yes I have wanted to do that ever since it became a thing like I want to go to ha why then why not do a show there and I just had a friend do that show two the past two years she was a bikini competitor and she oh she came
Out from Canada uh no she was actually what’s the date sorry uh November the 16th we got Pro bikini and Pro men’s physique Olympia qualifiers and we have the full uh gamut for the amateurs and look at the end of the day you don’t want to look back with regret and go oh
I did the Nova Scotia show because it’s close and convenient sometimes you gotta get out you gotta get out of you gotta get out of your comfort zone man you know right and the beauty the beauty of our sport is it’s Global you can literally pick anywhere you want to go
To compete I head out next week to Switzerland to MC a show and Switzerland but we have shows all over the world it’s all over um and I my when I was 20 years old I flew all the way to Australia just to do the junior World
Championships and you know I might as well have been going to Mars but you know what that was my first time leaving the country and I’ve been leaving the country ever since because we’re here we’re here for a very short period of time and if you don’t get out and see
What’s out there you’re going to be sitting at home watching it on TV um so for me traveling has become a part of my lifestyle uh I meet meet people from all over the world it’s another gift that bodybuilding has given me I remember Joe
Weer and Ben weer used to say that they were and uh missionaries for bodybuilding and now I’m saying I say that about myself because yeah I go to these contests but I see the I see the culture I eat the food I deal with the currency I’m I’m I’m in these different
Gyms the commonality with the people in the gym are the same thing that I’m passionate about you go to the bodybuilding show you see the same Meat Heads we all have this thing in common and I got friends all over the world as a result of getting on an airplane and
Just going and when you go to a bodybuilding show it’s like you know going to one of my high school football games it’s I know what’s GNA happen at the show yeah I’m not a fish out of water I’m gonna meet somebody that wants to work out I’m G to meet someone that
Wants to eat food and so that’s how you kind of build this rapport with friends that you wind up becoming friends for life like that I got friends that I met at my very first shows you know I mean it’s crazy yeah yeah yeah I met Bob
Chick in Atlanta Georgia you know right what what does Jim say the camaraderie and iron just like brings everybody together right we have yeah big believer in that that’s one of the big things that mutant’s all about is that the karer these shows bring us all together
When we’re all together it’s one big you know happy family it’s wonderful cool thanks man again that’s all right boys yes thank you SE thank you Sean I’m I’m gonna go eat a steak a little bit I’m I’m go check my DNA to see if you’re my
Dad all right guys on that note I’m out all right see you thanks all right thank you all right guys see You
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