I’m not an alpha male I’m not a beta male either I’m just a better male male yo gbb get your balls back wwdd what would Dante do the sexual revolutions being podcasted and I am excited here’s why I’m excited uh first of all let me
Say what’s up to my boy Harry just get it because we need to be on this [ __ ] together and and this is why this is why I mean unless you want to tell them why well you know Dante I’m living the life I could be any happier this is Episode
600 we’ve done this 600 times man yeah man 600 times never missed a week that is insane to me nobody’s done that nobody has done that so I’m I’m proud about but this is Episode 600 and maybe another 600 to go let’s do that let’s do
To you guys if you share if you sign up for the patreon you sign up for consultations we’ll keep we’ll keep doing this as long as you keep coming you keep asking uh for advice for help in your relationships in your dat we’ll keep doing this till I close my eyes and
The great big and go to the great big vagina in the sky you know what I mean I think your last words will be on a hospital bed as you pull a a young intern in and go uh leave her and then you close your eyes she doesn’t respect you um uh get
Your balls back what would Dante it’s weird what what the show what what what did he say what did he say he says uh I need to know my selfworth and that uh leave you want people that would be great if you were ghost your mama’s a
Hoe who is she to tell you that you ain’t [ __ ] she’s never chosen a a good man in her life how could she possibly know about relay I’m um you can’t wife a ho you can’t wife a ho can’t make a hoe a house what did he mean what did he mean
What was he trying to say but this is what what this has been our lives for uh over 10 years now 600 episodes and uh I I guess we thought we’d go over for we got some we always have new listeners and stuff and so we
Thought we’d go a little bit of the history of man School 202 R Le right so there’s new people so those who don’t know this uh so the uh the great Patrice O’Neal was was uh one of my best friends uh from probably 200000 probably from
2002 on until probably you know until he passed away I mean we had a little tip tat Tiffy Tiffany T yeah but to be friends with Patrice meant that you would be at some point patri there was nobody who didn’t have a fight with Patrice because it was that’s
How Patrice handled stuff yeah um and so what happened was uh I I was uh we were friends with him and I was friends with how do you meet Patrice by the way how how did that come we’re we’re at a St we’re at a so this is a great story
Um I had heard about Patrice before I even started like like when I first started doing comedy and I I was I was doing open mics and uh we I uh was always Progressive about getting better and stuff and and so I had a group of
Guys we used to sit down every week and do a writing Workshop right it was real kind of goofy but I you that’s the type of you don’t know any better that’s the type of things you start to do when you’re a comedian you know you’re like
All right all right well let me get together with other Comedians and and as you grow you don’t need all that that [ __ ] and you also realize that your journey is your journey and but but it I honestly it helped because it it got you thinking in a in comedic ways being
Around comics so I guess it was good and uh there was a young lady by uh by the name of Jessica Delino very funny girl still funny girl she does a lot of musical um she does like a like lot of musical comedy and at the time she was dating uh
Uh and we used to do she you know Kurt was doing it a little longer than me and uh it was kind of a thing where we would do this thing and she said to me she liked my comedy she says you know you have a sensibility like Patrice O’Neal
You should meet him and me being the cocky dick I was uh I was like uh I was like well um he needs to meet me that’s what I I kind of felt so um now mind you I had already spent um you know I had
Lives before I started doing comedy so I was uh we started comedy quite late in in in the comedy years yeah yeah I think I was 34 when I started yeah so I had uh I had um you know I went to college I worked as a I worked in um in childcare
And not in childcare New York state division for youth actually when Mike Tyson was in there he was a is was a juvenile in chaty up in up in the Catskills and I lied about my age because I was too young to do this kind
Of youth work I went to Sunni newse and I was Upstate and then I was working with with um emotionally disturbed kids uh hence uh Mike Tyson was up there and I lied about my age and it kind of falsified some documents and I was because you’re not supposed to work in
That field until 20 until you’re 21 at least till you’re 21 um but some of those kids were my age you know um especially say since I had lied about my age uh um and uh I was uh I was at Sunni newse and I pledged I pledged Omega and then I got
Into this situation where there was a there was a Toys for Tots thing and I uh and each uh of the Divine n if anybody doesn’t know what the Divine n is the um uh it’s the major black black Greek letter forat turn newor would be Kappa
Sigma Omega which was mine uh Q Q dogs Deltas whatever I’m not going to go over Deltas AKA Sigma gam whatever and they had a the the male the fraternities were represented in a toys for toat benefit and they wanted to do a mail review with
With each crew represented I was not the first choice but the what happened was they had all these guys that were going to do it and everybody backed out and I ended up being one of the guys that stuck with it it was only me and I I did
Um I was actually uh new to guy who came up to to strip because they had to hire professional strippers and that’s how I got into the business I knew the guy he lived in my neighborhood and we you know I started doing it so I did 10 years of
Of ma stripping and I had a group and I traveled up and down the east coast and some some abroad and whatever and I was in martial arts I was just a maniac and I ended up being a personal manager at the Cheetah club uh if anybody Know
Brooklyn was uh was uh barragate and uh Flatbush was like really kind of gritty grimy sucking dick uh kind of kind of Club at the time well you’re not sucking dick no I was I was actually I was actually managing them because of the fact that this is an interesting a fun
Fact because we we all hear about uh crazy ass Rudy Giuliani Ry Giuliani was mayor and he well I don’t know if he was mayor but I think he was mayor he was trying to clean up this is when they were cleaning up New York cleaning
Up 42nd street when you look at the old videos of of all the the broken down uh peep shows and prostitution and stuff and the hoes on on 42nd Street and uh and time and off of Time Square in 9th Avenue and [ __ ] like that so fast forward uh the the girls
Were uh turning tricks in the club and the I was hired to stop this is an interesting I was hired to stop them from turning tricks in the club because Rudy Giuliani had device Squad out and he was closing clubs up for turning tricks what’s wrong with him this is
Clearly a commodity FY duddy Rudy jul a real wet blanket that [ __ ] guy this guy is as my father would say a wet dish rag but I like the idea that must have been Conflict for you wait a minute I’m supposed to stop people from having
Sing [ __ ] that’s all I that’s all I’ve been programmed to do since the time I was a kid and they and I and I went I was like stop [ __ ] in the club stop [ __ ] in the club basically they would give a guy a laugh dance pull it pull it pull a
Little bikini to the side and uh and turn tricks in the club right and and they what happened was the the the club owner didn’t want to get closed down because Rudy Giuliani was sending spies out what a piece of [ __ ] he was which is interesting because when you watch him
In in the Bor ratp movie when he lays back to get his dick sucked is is and if anybody was the greatest thing ever when he he uh he’s in the B rap M and he thinks this girl is gonna blow him and his old troll ass lays back to get his
Dick suck so um but these girls would not stop turning tricks in the club and so I was like hey you guys want to sell [ __ ] why don’t we do it outside of the club hence how I became a personal manager and that’s like a community leader that’s
The equivalent of when they do those Midnight basketball games like listen we want we want to find somewhere you guys can hang out uh you know so you don’t get into trouble right I’m gonna take you take you guys and that’s how I got
Into it so I uh at the time I was always a fan of comedy and I wanted to do comedy but I was so in deep entrenched into this you know the sex industry to some extent that uh I didn’t think anybody would take me seriously um and I
Finally started doing comedy in 2000 I met Patrice in 2002 and as I but this young lady um uh Jessica Delino said to me uh you should meet this guy Patrice she goes but he’s really mean and he has this dark oily substance and I quote he
Has a dark oily substance not unlike not unlike sludge pump that pumps through his heart right this was impression of him and I was like uh that’s a hell of an introduction that’s got to be great so you think I’m like him I should yeah
She no no but he’s just he’s like styl he’s not like you but he’s like whatever so I remember going to the to the Boston comedy club and this this big dude like 66 he’s like 400 lbs and he was actually um there was a little little white girl
Probably about 90 lbs her name was Laura lipshits she was a com back in the days and he’s got her in the back and he’s just like leaning over got his big ass arm on her leaning and he’s sitting in the back talking [ __ ] and whatever and I
Just I didn’t even know it was him but I just I he kind of had a very kind of you know um you know a confident vibe to him and somehow we talked and and and we exchanged numbers somehow which is weird which is really weird for Patrice to
Exchange numbers for anybody and um we I called him because I used to call any Comics that were actually working Comics I used to pick their brain all the time I was very eager to learn the business and I called him up and we talked about comedy and a few different
Things and I go you know um when I first got into comedy somebody said I I need to learn I need to meet you but they said that your your heart P pumps out of black oily substance and he laughed that that big laugh right and then he hung up the phone
Um the phone rings like three minutes later he calls me back and he says yo let me ask you something I go sure he goes um if somebody told you that I was such a horrible person what made you call me and I said well first of all I
Don’t pay attention to what other people say and second of all I’m not scared of you right and he laughed again right and I think that was kind of the start of the of the the friendship was that you know I I wasn’t afraid of him I mean by
That time I had been stabbed twice and I shot at and just all kinds of crazy my life was in a really crazy so dealing with some comic that you know might have a sharp tongue just wasn’t my you know that wasn’t something that I per se that
You were afraid of I wasn’t afraid of I mean it ain’t going to kill you right and and we became friends from there um so I think what happened was um we became friends we used to hang out a lot and uh not a lot but we would hang
Out until we got tired of each other it was always a kind of a situation where we’d hang out and then i’ be like yeah enough of you and we would just go our separate ways and I mentioned that I was a stripper he’s in I get a call from him
Maybe like one o’clock in the morning and he would never Patrice would never uh say hello he would just start talking uh so you call him up you go hey Patrice what’s going on man no no he would call you up yeah yeah and and not say hello like the phone would ring
You’d pick it up and he’d be like yo I’m sitting here with this this funky hoe right that’s how that’s how you Cuts right to the point he was making Tik Tok videos before it was uh even a thing yeah get right to the hook right he he
He’ be like man I’m sitting here with this funky [ __ ] and I called to tell you I I apologize and I go okay what’s up right he goes I’m I’m I’m I’m I’m laying up in the bed with this funky [ __ ] and I mentioned your stripper name Prince Mandingo and this [ __ ] has
Not stopped talking about you since since I mentioned your name it’s been a half hour going on and she’s still talking about you and what you did at your time and such and such I go well yeah he goes you didn’t tell me that it
Was like that and I was like well I mean what do you I mean what does that mean like that and he said you should have told me that I go what would I have told you that I was I was one of the top
Like it that was a past time then it also would have been it would have been bragging and it would have been annoying like like he gives a [ __ ] it’s another and it was something I had already moved past I like I was trying to be a comic
You know and an actor and that yeah that was great and then you pull upon that those are memories but I’m always trying to make new memories um so I think he gets a call from Opie and Anthony and they and he’s on Opie and Anthony at the at the time
At the Opie and Anthony’s height and Patrice is on yeah at at XM he would do a lot of he would do wnw appearances when they were syndicated and then when they went to Fox News he would do Fox News he would do Fox News a
Lot yeah yeah and uh before it was Fox News like it was kind of balanced and uh and I remember him uh he used to go on there so what happened was he went out to Brazil and the Brazil he used to say used to go out to Brazil and [ __ ] the
Hookers in Brazil right and all of them would go out all his crew would go out like probably Kelly and Kei and all of them used to go and and and you know that was like the thing what we would what we would call Passport Bros nowadays right oh yeah yeah that was
That that was a thing that’s a thing now yeah yeah well before they used to go to Dominican Republic and Brazil and sometimes go to medine to Colombia so his manager and Jim Norton the great Jim Norton and Keith Robinson all all these old school dudes would go out and they would they
They would go out there and then I remember Patrice saying to me you know it’s it’s different out there he was trying to explain to me it’s trying get you to come along right yeah he wanted to come along but I was living that here in Brooklyn and queen you know what I
Mean because I was an extra but just I already knew what he was trying to figure out and what happens is so let me just say the sex industry first of all it’s a third world country Brazil is a third world country second of all the women are subservient and they’re raised
To be subserviant and raised to take take care of that man um so at a on a base level as a man they kind of put a man like you supposed to cook your man’s food You’re supposed to fix his plate you’re supposed to in a lot of ways like
A lot of a lot of Spanish um households you know a lot of Dominican is defined the woman is uh subservient to the man yeah and uh so going out to Brazil was a situation where he he kind of had experienced this situation because um there was not the opposition that
Black women would give you um and so he was like you know you remember I’m saying to me that uh uh he said that prostitutes in Brazil they don’t sell your [ __ ] they sell dreams right that they that what they do is uh is is is as it’s there’s a difference
It’s almost like the sex is secondary that the that the sex even though it’s transexual it’s not transaction like in prostitution in in America is like I give you this amount and I give you this and it’s it’s very transactional whereas in Brazil and these other third world
Countries there is a there’s a sexual kind of basis that’s always present and then there’s men are being held at a higher esteem and women treat them in a certain way and and so the sex yeah they they you know it’s you live in a funky
Ass country where you know you know it’s it’s uh you know you could you could buy a house for $7 and now so so the money is transactional when you know you’ll hear this a lot of times or at least you used to hear this that um you know uh
Well you pay for the [ __ ] anyway you would hear that being said well I got to pay for dinner I got to do this I one way or another you’re paying is the idea you’re paying may not be paying cash but you’re paying it may not be exact dollar for dooll
Transactional but it is something that you know and um when you’re a male stripper it’s really not transactional because women perceive you as having a higher value the reason why they perceive you as having a higher value because other women perceive you as having a higher Val show has a lot about
Muscles and and looking good and smelling good and all of that stuff but there’s really that without all of that is a perception it’s sort of the way that we perceive money I mean money is just paper it’s a note for or it’s a note to say that this
This is worth a certain amount of goods and services and then we so we agree if we agree on it then it’s worth something and the day that we decide that we agree that it’s not something then that changes so he went on Anthony he goes
Talk about that trip and and a bu he talk about that trip and he talked to me about it and he and he’s got he so that was kind of the Revelation for him to understand that while we’re talking about this let’s not forget a key detail
If you haven’t watched that clip is that he would also start Patrice would always have to up the game a little bit and started carrying a brief case full of glass dildos oh yeah with him to Brazil that uh that he had to check through airport
Security and and and he would have he would have lingerie like he would buy lingerie from the dollar store here or whatever to the cheap dollar store and he would take cheap lingerie and dildos for his so he had a suitcase full of glass dildos that he would go down to
Brazil and just try it out on these girls right they would just like a whole and it got to be big like it was two suitcases I mean and some of the stuff was like blown glass like expensive glass dildos and uh surgical steel and all it’s just
Insane so it was like him going down there which who was a guy who maybe didn’t get a lot of chicks in his life I mean he wasn’t like the smoothest guy and to go down there and just didn’t understand that that the the uh that the sex was not TR directly transactional
And then the confidence that he came back with because of the fact that you know we you know and a lot of the concepts that we talk about now is you know a woman how does a woman know your value it’s it’s what you tell her so if
You approach her with a way as if as if you have value then she believes you and she treats you accordingly and so all of a sudden because he could go down to Brazil and and and have threesome and fours with a bunch of chicks anytime he
Wanted and whatever some of the most beautiful women he ever been with in Brazil he could he he you know if he’s he wasn’t taking no [ __ ] from a five from East New York you know it was like n you know you know what I’ll just wait
Till I go back to um Brazil yeah to Brazil and how did that change his attitude or perspective when he’s on Opie and Anthony because I remember the thing was he would there would be a lot more relationship talk as the years went on from him right so he was he was angry
Because of the fact that this was a this was a thing that would that that American women Americanized women made it so difficult to to like them and what’s interesting even about that is that the the I think a lot of time and a
Lot of times I mean I I think this the feminist movement put forth this this this sense of being hard and you have to do this and you have to do that when if you think about like Helen of Troy and Cleopatra women have always have power
But that power has always been in their femininity like you’re not going to out strength a man but you can out feminize like I mean you like Helen of I mean countries in in Greece and Athens went to war because of This Woman’s feminine Wares um cleia Patra ran ran a game ran
Game on Mark Anthony and Caesar so throughout time I I think that women have really instead of um checking the the power that they do have um they’ve tried to be tried to gain masculine power which um is good battle otherwise it’s just I mean an observation on my point but I
But I would I’ve said this a thousand times that a man who feels appreciated will give you anything because the bottom line is most of the stuff that we do as men we do it for access to women we don’t really care about that I
Mean look I you if you might be into fast cars or motorcycles but most of the house when you get the house with the circular stairs and the circular driveway and the double sinks and and the widescreen teams we’re guys most for the most part are doing that so that
They can impress women it’s so that women see you as a viable entity and given a situation where you ask what do you really need as a man most of the time you wouldn’t pick those things I mean you might like a fast car but even the fast even a even a high-end
Car is so that women so you can drive women around I mean there’s I what’s crazy about is the fact that we’ve gotten to this point where we don’t understand that intricately part of humanity is is mating and and and courting each other and so it it is you know I don’t believe
In in in the afterlife and I don’t believe in a in a in a deity but but one of the things that immortality is moving your DNA from one generation to the next that’s how in my opinion that’s what the immortality is so not having access to that is is is
The death of your genetic material the death of your line and so I think that I think as much as I think that human beings have grown beyond that in a in a much more sophisticated way um we’re not take we no longer Tak into consideration basic fundamental things that we
Um that that are just so that’s 250,000 years of humanity understanding mating and and roles and and and and what we have to do for the species to survive and none of that has to do with LGBT or anything we’re talking about just mating hooking up together um and and I’m not
Discounting any any of those other things but I’m saying you cannot that this if men and women don’t hook up then the species goes extinct then we we we’re just no more there is no more of it we acknowledge that you know the you know LGB BT trans rights it’s all human
Rights but it’s not to talk about those things are a smaller portion of the population so it doesn’t help escalate the dialogue and and of what’s going on with most relationships most relationships a majority I think what is it 90% I’m I’m trying to remember what you know different Studies have
Different numbers but it’s a very high number 80 to 90% where it’s is heterosexual so it doesn’t help to just discuss every aspect or every Nuance I’m going to look that up too I want to I want to want to be accurate let me see I’ll look it up while you uh
But so you were sorry to get back to it um so this is that thing that sort of jolted Patrice into this new mindset and perspective about women and he brought that to the Opie and Anthony show all the time started talking about it talking about it talking about it and
And would he talk to you about it I mean he would constantly talk to me we we would have these long two three hour conversations about you know when he was dating and how women would treat be ungrateful and this and that you other and how great it was and he kept trying
To get me to go to Brazil but I was like man I I know this already because I was a male stripper and so I got a chance to be pursued like women pursu pursue everywhere you go is Brazil yeah make your med Circle Brazil it’s like being a
Diplomatic immunity you’re the embassy exact exactly so I was like I don’t he was like yo you really need to come and see and I was like no I don’t I don’t really not only that but I was um when I met him I was I was married and I was
Raising somebody else’s kid at the time I had a stepdaughter 2-year-old stepdaughter and uh um and I remember him the first time he met my my my first wife he was like man how you how you got a how you got a bad chick like that and
You only been doing comedy uh six months I was like because I had a life before this had nothing to do with comedy it had it had to do with you being you and he didn’t really understand that until he went to Brazil yeah and also because
P being a guy who didn’t exactly have game as a young man right all a lot of the numbers he pulled were because of Comedy where you know it’s you the spotlight is on you and when you get at comedy women like confidence women like somebody who can who can who has control
And where do you have more control than being the only person in the room with a microphone in your hand entertaining an audience of hundreds of people and he was the original neck guy like I’ve seen him pick up a girl he was like yo we
Were in the supermarket right and was a fantastic cook like he was amazing at at a as a as a cook and he he ran into this girl and he goes uh you look like your breath stinks and she would what the [ __ ] did you say you fat [ __ ] and she
Would yell at him and then he would go listen I’m sorry I just I just I think you’re so beautiful and attractive I didn’t know how to approach you well why didn’t you say that and he would he would get this this rise out of them this emotional rise because there’s not
A there there’s a there’s a there’s a thin line between hatred and passion so he would elicit this emotional response and then flip it into him like look I’d love to take you out to dinner and and I’ve watched it work over and one time I remember we were in
The supermarket and he picked up this chck cuz she she had a bunch of breakfast cereals he I see you buying all them breakfast cereals for all your damn kids and he was like I don’t even have she I don’t even have no kids and he was
Like come on [ __ ] you got kids look at all them all that Captain Crunch I can’t even like Captain Crunch now the simple fact that he was she was engaging him in conversation which which was was his goal in the first place I don’t even
Have no kids and then he would go listen I’m I’m I’m I’m man I’m sorry I was wrong to calm down just but I just really find you attractive and he would flip it and I seen this work a hundred times I have I have the numbers by the
Way just for a second from a Gallup Paul which is the uh the leader in polls in at least this country and the on the the ones the news use the percentage of us adults who self-identify as lesbian gay bisexual transgender or something other than heterosexual has increased to a new high of
7.1% w um in in in the new Gallup poll here this is from 90 93% of people this is from 2022 so it’s fairly recent yeah fair enough so again nothing wrong with that it’s just that the point is that it’s not the majority the reason why the species moves on is
Because of because men and women hook up together so um which is something I’m gonna explore in my own head just got my brain turned but um I’ll send you that article I I already know that I got to send you that article so because now
You’re going to do the research now so the thing that we’re we’re trying to get back to the history of the show right so let me so he he was talking about this stuff on he was angry at how what how women in Brazil treated him as oppos
Opposed to how American women treated him and he constantly moved he was he was one of he was lot this is where our similarities would happen we something would kind of like that little poll you gave me and then it would send me down this Rabbit Hole thinking about all the
Ramifications of it and all the things that are important and why this and how this affects humanity and stuff and so he was on this thing where he would be on open an and he would talk about relationships and women and the the the what was going on and what he thought
Was and so um Opie goes you like the you’re like Dr Phil you’re like the he goes you’re like the the black Dr Phil and he goes like Black Phillip as a joke right just to to demean it you mean like Black Phillip right and so we uh so at
The height of OPI and Anthony they were giving shows like Rich Voss had a show and Billy they had a whole channel on serious satellite radio so they yeah so these Comics could come on and do their own shows and stuff and uh and he picked
Me he calls me I’m yo the phone ring yo listen what are you doing tomorrow I be like hey good morning you know yeah and he like uh you um I want you to come on the radio with me we going do this this thing on relationship a relationship
Show and I’m like all bet and what’s the format he goes you just what we do on the phone all the time is come on and talk [ __ ] and that’s we ended up doing 13 episodes from 2006 to 2008 and it never got picked up it never we never
Got a show we never got green Lon for a show but that that is that black the black Filip material was the stuff that went online and I had the experience because of the fact that I had lived it and Patrice was coming into this through through basically the sex industry and
And his experience through the sex industry so if I remember I think there was some type of contract offer to him but he didn’t like the terms of it or something if that if I wasn’t even aware of that if they that’s what they said on
Opie and Anthony but you know it’s been a long time so that was my memory of it but yeah you would do that show together and on the weekends it was and we would only do it when they asked us to do it like Patrice was never like let’s do the
Show it was like if they asked to do it when’s the next time you’re going to do Black Phillip uh uh the show was called Black Phillip [ __ ] management right which was which was a little inappropriate if I might add um and then that got on became this cult following
And and a lot of the listeners I mean even to this day there’s people um who especially after he passed away yeah everything that people are starting to Gob it happens when you pass away people start gobbling up like and this is pre YouTube this is pre YouTube as well like
I don’t even think YouTube was on or at least it wasn’t it was in its infancy it was around okay but I mean it wasn’t like a thing like it is now um and then um I remember running it after he he had pass passed away in 2010 or 2011 one or
The other 2011 2011 and I um I remember this kid coming to me like there was a kid in the front row and he was like looking at me and I was [ __ ] with him and then he waited for me after the after the show and I thought oh God have
To [ __ ] somebody up and he goes oh I came here to see you and I was like yeah what did I do and he was like Oh Black Phillip and I was like uh my good friend amazing Jazz Trump this Jonathan finon remember Jonathan oh yeah I remember
Jonathan Fin yeah that’s thing touring in Sweden or something I think he set up he set up a lot I remember he was just decided to be the you know as an artist in Finn uh Sweden Sweden and he taught kids trumpet and everything amazing kind of experimental trumpet trumpetist
And but he was the guy and then uh I think what happened I think what happened was Harry I think after the fact you and I did uh we were doing Mike Stefani you remember Mikey Stefani Mike D Stan one of the funniest dudes that another dude
That passed away one of the joggernauts that passed away in comedy um I I got hired to do his uh his brother’s birthday party Mike D Stefani and uh D Stefano and um Harry was I was I was booked to be the opener for that we had
The same management at the time and so I was opening and so you know I we had known you and I had known each other know each passing just but from stand up but we you know you were always very friendly and we started out kind of at
The same time at the Boston Comedy Club so we knew each other a little bit uh but on this gig you know then you called me up you found out it was me you go you know hey do you want to write up I go all right yeah they’ll save me some cash
You know so we write up and uh we write up we get to this gig it’s like a anniversary party of loud Italian it’s it is uh has of a [ __ ] gig the worst gig ever that you could you can’t get a gig worse than that I mean they we I think
You were supposed to do like 30 no I supposed to do an hour you’re supposed to do like 45 to an hour I was supposed to do like you know 20 to open I think I did like eight you did 15 and we got the [ __ ] out of there that was it just
People yelling and screaming trying to be the funniest person but there was a lot of we got there early they fed us they took care of us there was a lot lot of downtime yeah in between the first oh the first thing I do remember is when uh
When we drove up uh I remember initially you’re like hey man I got to make a couple phone calls I’m like all whatever so you think you made three or four backtack phone calls to the different uh the the different women on your roster at the time one after the other and you
Looked at me goes I’m a dirt bag aren’t I like I’m not judg hey baby hey hi right and uh and you were with you were with your ex-wife at that point and I think you were going through some [ __ ] yeah I mean we had uh we had broken up
But it was uh yeah I was going through my own [ __ ] I was going through a I was going through a breakup um and I was I mean I was just depressed everything bad that could have happened in that moment happened I was going through a breakup I
Lost uh a job I was unemployed and I had I was supposed to do Letterman I had been I had been scheduling a date to do Letterman with the the booker who ended up having to resign because of some New York Times article he got me to he
Didn’t get me too because he didn’t do anything in appropriate actually techn what what he did get he got cancelled he got can he said that women are not funny is that you not directly there was an article that somebody had written because I think it started with Amy
Schumer she had she was upset that she this was before Amy Schumer blow blew up both figuratively and literally um before Amy Schumer had gotten big uh she wanted to do Letterman as a lot of comedians do and she they didn’t they wouldn’t book her and they did an
Article then it became a whole thing of like why aren’t women being allowed on Letterman show and all this why don’t they book more women and then they asked the booker Eddie bril and he Eddie said that he just found that most women didn’t have a style of Comedy that was I
I don’t know what what verbiage he used but just ba basically saying like a lot of the women who get pushed are not the quality of the material is not good we just want to book we don’t we book quality not based on sex or whatever
Right and that was sort of a thing of like inappropriate women women don’t women don’t have quality and it was this whole thing so it one of those things that he had to fall on the sword and resign and in the wake of that I lost an opportunity to do Letterman right um
Youing a dump was [ __ ] this is right around the time that podcasting there was a few people that had podcast but not many I think it might have been uh what Keith and the girl was probably the only one that I remember when it was podcasting and and I am there was very
Few I think I think Corolla was there Mark Maron maybe I don’t think Cora was there might not have been but you’re right ke Maui was like the first dude then um Marin was huge Marin started later but then he became huge and Corolla wasn’t there and then uh and you
Know then it started but it at that time podcasting was only audio no I mean nobody was doing a video the technology didn’t exist to do it cheaply and quickly at that point but yeah yeah so Dante you know Dante talked to me that night about my relationship and you know
Fixing me and you know and uh you know I think Dante knew I had a technical background so you know just one day Dante calls me up after this event he goes hey man I kind of want to do a podcast could you would you be able to
Help me out with doing a podcast like what would I need to do a podcast so I got to get I gotta I got to tell you this I have been approached to do many podcasts at that point and some people I likeed some people I didn’t how many
Times did you get approached about podcast because you had the technical background the technical background and as a comedian some of it was just as a comedian uh five to 10 different times if I remember in various some for technical reasons some just like hey man we should do something together and I
Would always go yeah yeah sure no worries let’s do it and then and nine times out of 10 nobody would get back to you they just lose interest or something right so Dante Dante would call me back up he goes all right I want I’m serious about this podcast thing all right when
Can we do it I go all right all right all right I guess he’s serious [ __ ] right the first thing we need you you got to get this this and this you got to get a soundboard you gotta get this or whatever I go all right and I hang up
The phone I go we’ll see whatever figuring and then like a day later all right I got the soundboard when I’m like oh [ __ ] now I’m doing a podcast like [ __ ] he’s the only one who ever said who ever followed through with his [ __ ] commitment [ __ ] all right and then um
You know so then we started doing the podcast the first interesting too is we had we were doing the we were doing the um the podcast at on my dining room table and we well the first ones were in in in Jeff glass’s office and some New York we borrowed somebody’s office and
It had a massive echo in it or whatever and then it was crazy then then we did after like a handful of those we did them we went to your your house we’ do it at the dining room table and we would have I want to say 10 mics sometimes like we
Loved having I think we had like seven or eight seven or eight mics and you liked son some of the jam of the party I hated that I think I vocalized that I I was like this is just because we’d experiment with different formats sometimes it was just us sometimes we’d
Have a guest that we talked to and then every once in a while CRA it was like it actually was fresh and fit before fresh and fit yeah but we had we had the [ __ ] common sense to stop because it’s a goddamn train wreck like s they
Were fun like some of them were wild and chaotic fun but we weren’t helping anybody having a good time but we were like all right and I I was like we need to get more focused and but you also sometimes we’d book we’d do two book two
Back toback and everybody would show up at one but fresh and fit does that [ __ ] because they don’t have the faith that they can do a real show which is why they invite 10 women so that hoping that one or two might be interesting which
Has never been my f but anyway so you know we did it out of your house out the dining room table and then until you built a studio yeah I I was like I started so I was I was actually doing voice over auditions and I ran into the
Guy who builds the builds the sound Studios he’s like the the guy for uh sound studios in every major um agency that does voice over and stuff like that and uh I I was asking the guy question the guy who was auditioning me uh I was
Supposed to be doing trying to do a Snickers commercial voice over and I was like wa I was asking him questions about soundproofing and stuff like he goes well you know not for nothing but the guy who builds we’re building a new studio um you know we we he’s here now
Could you you know you could probably talk to him and I was like really and he was like yeah yeah sure sure and he I so I did my audition I went in and I talked to this guy and this is another thing I
I I say to young dudes all the time it’s like if you are genuinely curious about somebody’s life life’s work they will give you the cheat code I mean this dude talked to me for two hours about Ambient sound and external sound and sound proofing and gave me notes and [ __ ] and
Then I started building the studio we had probably we a probably had the best professional studio in New York City best studio home studio bar anybody out anybody yeah you Chang it multiple times on every once i’ show up and every time Dante would have some new thing they
Like yeah man I got a I got a I got a mini fridge so that we could stock the full bar for the guest you like all right that’s great awesome had I had a table you know just where it was kind of like my project and and and and people
Would come in and they would come into the house and they it was like it was difficult because everything was so I mean Brooklyn wasn’t as live as is now and so if you did something in Brooklyn it was like a I don’t want to come to
Brooklyn and then they would come to the studio like oh this is this is legit oh you really you really doing you really [ __ ] with this right and then we we just started doing what we do and I was so as I as there was a lot of what
Patrice and I was talking about but I realized that there was so much like Patrice was angry like he was mad which is which is really what I think is going on now with the whole red pill and the mtow and the manosphere all these dudes are so angry because but they’re angry
Because they don’t know how to manage these situations they don’t they’re in a in a situation where they’re getting half ass information and they’re they’re losing they’re they’re constantly losing and because they’re losing they’re mad at they’re mad at the women who who who are getting the best of them when it’s
Really just you know you you first thing you got to do is remove the uh you got to remove the anger and so a we get I still get guys who to this day will do consultations with I listen every one of the uh the Black Phillip shows and I I
Listen to each one of them five times and d d d and I and the first thing I tell dud is if you can’t watch Black Phillip or listen to Black Phillip with the with it in mind that this is entertainment stop watching it because it just makes angry it makes people
Angry and it’s what’s weird is we’ve had I’ve heard Kevin Samuels refer to uh Patrice and the black Phillips show I’ve heard fresh and fit I’ve heard you know endless dudes um that got into this whole manosphere thing and they they you know and and there the problem with it is it’s it’s
Ang everybody’s angry they’re angry they want to get they want women to C get their come upins and don’t get me wrong I mean I mean we just we just trash the [ __ ] out of the Cheesecake Factory chick but we trashed her because not because we want to get back at women it’s
Because her as her as an individual she’s a horrible human being we would also TR but we’ve also said that the whole thing with Jada pinkin and and Will Smith is it’s his fault Will Smith’s fault yeah yeah but also the other thing is th those guys have a lot
Of anger yeah they don’t have any practical Solutions most of the time even even what you call it even even Kevin Samuels didn’t have any practic Lord and Savior Kevin Samuels no no name above no name above that name he shall made nameless um you know no answers just
Trashing people and and what you find is more over than not is that people will people will lean into and this is this is a new phenomenon too it’s it’s like you lean into the toxicity of whatever’s going on and then people you you you build a fan base like people love the
Drama they love the you know they love the world star I mean I why you have on 10 10 uh Club [ __ ] night club 10 of the the Bott service only fans of the least sensible demographic which is like you know Miami Club chicks and then you
Get angry at them for being Miami dumb Miami Club chicks or or a lot of Instagram models who go who you’ve heard of the foodie call what about the duty Call oh no oh what is the duty Call per se here what is this now the duty Call
Is a lot the majority those Instagram chicks who who was who got millions of followers are getting paid they’re doing strange for some change a lot of those women are going out to deide to these princes and these dudes with money and they’re literally getting [ __ ] on and
Pissed on and just they’re willing to do whatever they need to do for money so in all these Instagram that doesn’t make the reals for some reason I understand it I don’t know why it’s weird but [ __ ] on it on a yacht in the middle of the Mediterranean this is rampant rampant
That the that the the Islamic dudes who are supposed to be so righteous and paying chicks to come out and and and and paying beautiful women to come out and [ __ ] and piss on them for the money you know and they’re doing it and so this chick that you’re looking at in or
And you’re going oh the the chick who’s always walking you know you know you always get that shot where she’s walking towards you and it just happens to be a camera there with the perfect lighting and and everything else where on the beach or on the on a on a bridge or what
Like these a lot of these women are prostitut tuting themselves and they’re going for the duty Call they going for the duty Call and you got princes in Dubai that’s [ __ ] on them and pissing on him and and what look whatever whatever you do whatever
Whatever F your boat and how do we get on this what what was this we’re talking about fresh and fit why oh because people giving out frivolous information they giving out this frivolous information and you’re looking at these women as you’re idolizing them because they’re beautiful and they’re attractive
And and all these things in there and there’s anger about that yeah and there’s anger because if you have the money yeah I mean if you have one people will do things for money people I mean that that’s what you know that was what Harvey Weinstein was it’s like that dude
Was was like he was hideous but he was like I will make enough money and I will become powerful enough that I will bend people’s will what people don’t look at is though what kind of Boss do you think he was to the guys that he didn’t want
To Fu [ __ ] that had nothing for him they they had interest he was horrendous like just terrible terrible dude yeah his reputation he wasn’t just and that’s the other thing it’s not he wasn’t just bad to women he was bad to everybody yeah yeah and just that that that his sexual
Interest was with women um and and that was the the thing is that um all of these guys that leaned into including Kevin Samuels our Lord and savior had no name above him um these guys leaned into the toxicity and what happens the phenomenon of Internet content creators
Is once you lean into the content right you will that’s the fastest way to the top but what happens is those people always want something more so if it’s if it’s a video of someone falling down the stairs right and let’s let’s be honest when’s the last time you heard somebody
Scream world star you remember when there was a a yeah yeah world star was big it’s been time there was a fight or something people would scream world star but it’s there’s so many people that have leaned in into the toxicity of of violence and and and shock content but
What happens is people the problem with that is when you set the precedent for that when you start to set the precedent for that what ultimately happens is the audience just wants it bigger if it’s a firecracker today it’s an M M80 tomorrow if it’s an M80 tomorrow it’s a d stick
Of dynamite this is that it’s 10 stickers of that it just has to keep getting bigger and then eventually all these guys end up in a situation where um you know somebody falls down the stairs then you want to see somebody kick down the stairs you know then you
Want to see somebody picked up and thrown down the stairs it just it progressively gets worse and so you don’t really you’re not trying to help people you’re just you’re you’re you’re using people to to grow and that is what we never leaned into we always there
Always was a level of sincerity um we want men to be able to have relation relationships happy positive relationships so that they can raise positive and productive children and they can respect their woman and their woman respect them and and and even to give the guidance I mean even sometimes
When it’s it’s a little bit harsh um in terms of the biological clock of women and what they have to put up with and you know what I’m GNA we’re going to talk about that a little bit more on the patreon is some some things I I want to
Explain to the people who have supported us um also patreon.com uh if you really want to get into the nitty-gritty uh go to patreon.com manschool 202 um that’s how you support what we do if you like what we’re doing but we never we we always leaned into helping people and I
Think my self-esteem is high because of the fact that no matter what the numbers are no matter what what the what my bank account looks like on a base level I’ve done nothing but help people or at least my intention was to help people um I’m
Not perfect and I I will trash a awful a funky [ __ ] or or simp ass dude in a minute because I think I think we need to get back to that too I mean as a country you mean as a country we need to get back to trashing we need to trash
Simpson hoes and punks and [ __ ] and and liars and I mean the fact that everybody can you know the the fact that we we can’t even talk about Behavior unethical behavior in a way that it’s unethical it’s just absurd to I’m not an alpha male I’m not a beta
Male either I’m just a better male male put your happiness first cuz if you don’t they won’t
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