Hello and welcome back to the cash versus trash podcast with your hosts rob and demi where we watch the highest and lowest grossing movie of each year from 1970 to 2021 picked at random then decide if they deserve the title of either cash or trash that’s right and
Just before we get to the subject of this week’s episode i’ve got a little bit of housekeeping um only because uh star wars nerds would come after us with um lightsabers pitchforks and torches um we didn’t talk about how they did the lightsaber effect last week which i
Would feel remiss if we didn’t add it in somewhere so this is part 2 of 1977 so no better place as detailed in a 2004 featurette titled the birth of the lightsaber the early sabres consisted of a rotating pole that had reflective tape applied to it creating the glowing effect then using
Rotoscoping technology the overlays for the saber colors were added to the film creating the first lightsaber effect and it looks [ __ ] sick yeah nice yeah it genuinely looks really good looks better than cgi because it was it was there it was actually there yeah and yeah that’s
Pretty cool it was pretty cool so it’s a reflective tape yep and they had to be careful because if they tilted it the wrong way because they had to go in like they rotoscoped the color and the light in because it or like they add to it but if they did it
Wrong then it would just look like a prop sword yeah and and all that so yeah pretty pretty intense stuff like they did that back in 1977. yeah yeah it’s pretty crazy stuff which i feel like it’s a good idea to talk about that now considering the movie we’re talking about this year
Which is the lowest grossing movie of 1977 to the best of our knowledge it was number 35 on the list usually we do out of the top 200 but this only went to 35. yes because as we’ve said previously we want it to be a fair fight you know released in multiple
Countries blah blah blah we use box office mojo.com if you’re a regular listener you’ll know that and normally we use the numbers.com to corroborate that information but fraternity row just wasn’t there sorry we’re talking about fraternity row this year yeah horrible lead-in to the movie but yeah
It’s on the title fraternity row yeah um you’ve probably never heard of this movie fraternity row is also the name of like the street i think or like avenue or whatever uh all the sorority and fraternity houses are on like in real life yeah i think they oh but i mean i
Always thought that they were like all next to each other yeah but you hear about in like other movies and stuff people buy a fraternity house i don’t know i don’t know how it works man i don’t know anyway um there was no information on this movie around so bear with us yep
Fraternity row an american drama film from 1977 and was the to the best of our knowledge lowest grossing movie that year starring peter fox as roger carter uh usually i would say uh you might recognize this person from blah blah blah but roger carter oh sorry peter fox yeah
Wasn’t in a whole lot he was in a few tv shows yeah an episode or two scattered here and there it seems like he’s the kind of guy that if you know who he is you know a lot about him yeah so like i could have written down this this and
This but most people would be like what the [ __ ] is that yeah it was like a lot of this tv movie or one episode of this show or maybe like one season of this but it didn’t last very long sort of thing so we just left it and who cares yeah
He like we’ll get to it but he did a good job like we’re not ragging on the guy but like who cares gregory harrison zack sterling uh okay so you might recognize him from trapperjohnmd md um picnic or razorback i added in razorback i can’t believe i mean
It’s very believable that you overlooked that movie yeah i haven’t seen any of these all right so i trapper john doesn’t really sound familiar picnic who knows but razorback i actually watched when i was like six which my grandparents such a bad idea um it’s a horror movie set in the australian outback
About a like genetically altered boar a genetically altered boar that basically just kills and eats a bunch of people and it’s not bore that’s another australian movie about it that sounds similar this is um this is in 1984 i think that was released and he’s the he’s the main character
Good movie from what i remember but i was a child scott newman son of paul newman as chunk cherry you might recognize him from the towering inferno breakheart pass or also um he was a stunt man yes uh seems like he had a pretty extensive stunt stuntman career yeah um which makes
Sense he’s got he’s a pretty big pretty big bulky guy not too surprising yeah um son of paul newman yeah his only son his only son that’s what it said um directed by thomas j tobin known for the swan princess yeah [Laughter] it’s like a kid’s animated thing like oh okay this guy
Doesn’t even have a picture on imdb and he only did four things including wasn’t one of them um like animated tales from the bible yeah yeah so there’s not a lot on on this movie yeah it would like she’s not kidding folks there’s uh rotten tomatoes had no information
We had to dig deep we looked at there was one article that was thankfully uploaded to the internet that was written in october 1977 yeah we got some info from but it wasn’t really there was some insight but it was mostly just stuff um That it didn’t really help too much it was mostly like a critique of the movie with a little bit of background info yeah so the budget is unknown although paramount paramount apparently purchased uh distribution rights for 937 000 yep that’s in said article which i don’t have the name here but again
It doesn’t matter it could be a load of crap that’s just the best we’ve got um which means it didn’t make its money back yeah so domestically it grossed um 290 674 internationally i don’t know it was released to other countries it seems that way it didn’t
Have any information on what kind of money it made so obviously the world uh worldwide total is the same yeah it’s i it said that with paramount purchasing distribution rights it would pay the salaries of the actors or whatever pro rata i don’t know what that means yeah i’ve seen it before uh
I i don’t actually know what it means it’s something to do with like salary and how it’s paid out obviously but i don’t know how it breaks down yeah i’ve never had a job that i’ve had to worry about that too much so but if if paramount paid
The filmmakers 937 000 and we’re going off that information and it made 290 and 674 then it obviously didn’t make its money back in the um uh production company’s eyes yep the the you know in paramount’s eyes so yeah huge failure yeah for sure um and
We didn’t adjust it for inflation but it would have been i don’t know five hundred thousand dollars something like that and yeah no raiding on rotten tomatoes the there was less than 50 audience ratings or whatever and only one actual critic had put a thing down on there so It was um i was gonna say inconsistent that’s not the right word insufficient yeah insufficient to make uh a proper rating yeah yeah so yeah we we got stuck like right into it because you actually have to research this it’s not like star wars last week where it was just like
Here’s everything yeah it was you know we had to dig deep for this one and we’re not the best researchers it’s just nowhere yeah all right so fraternity row is a story of an upper-class fraternity in the 1950s that explores the positive aspects of a fraternity while also
Delving deep into the dark side and troubles of fraternity life do not don’t look this movie up if you haven’t heard of it and you’re interested in watching it i’m going to say right now yeah uh not going to spoil what i’m going to rate it or i don’t know what you’re
Going to rate it but i think it’s worth watching yeah and if you’re going to watch it don’t look it up don’t look up the summary that yeah online just go off our summary because um the the imdb summary and on um wikipedia as well spoils
A pretty key aspect of the movie yeah that we got spoiled and we expected said aspect to be the focus of the movie but it’s not it’s it’s it’s about what you just said there yeah it’s more like a slice of life thing and said aspect uh is
Sort of like a twist yeah to that and that’s all i want to say yep i think it’s definitely worth watching uh there’s not much to say story-wise it’s pretty plain um not plain pretty by the numbers drama yeah you know a few things happen here or there
And you know there’s some romances and there’s some young love and pranks and issues and and you know budding butting heads the movie set in 1954 so uh surprisingly not incredibly racist yeah just a little splash yeah and it it seems pretty self-aware it’s narrated narrated by
Uh i can’t remember the actor’s name but um uh roger yeah like he yeah it’s him in the future or in present day quotes 1977 narrating this his time his final year of his final year of college yeah when he was pledge master for some um pledges uh in his fraternity
They’re new students who want to join the fraternity yeah yes and he’s in charge of like their schedule and um making sure that they’re sticking to the fraternities um rules and all that sort of stuff traditions and the other actives as they’re called uh on that as well but roger really takes
It on board and then yeah it’s him recounting you know his time yep uh doing that and he says at the start uh gamma new pi which is the fraternity they all have weird latin years um it they had the best swimmers or athletes i think he says in
General but we see somebody swimming athletes uh like and they came from all the best places in that yeah of course none of them black jewish um asian uh or i think he just says uh jewish or black and he says none are on the gi bill so
They’re none of them are military involved yeah militarily so it’s like upper class kids in their 50s yeah with very rich you know parents yeah you connect the dots they’re they’re all a bunch of whities all anglo-saxon and i don’t even think there’s any italians in there or anything which
Might surprise people to know now that people who were italian or greek or anything like that up until not even really that long ago were treated pretty horribly yeah um and it was just it’s just all brushed over now and it’s a lot more for lack of a better phrase black or
White now yeah whereas people used to be like like individual country kind of racist like oh you come from there doesn’t matter it would wouldn’t even matter what their skin color was it’s like you come which i suppose back then i get to an extent italy because world war ii just ended
A few years before the setting of this movie so italians which they were um started off on the side of the nazis and the japanese empire so i kind of get that as like uh we don’t trust you but it was just plain old racism for most of it yeah so
It’s like they’ve it’s a very very white movie yeah for sure there’s only one um person of color let’s say and that is the i don’t want to say manservant butler yeah it’s not really clear he’s just there and you only ever see him working for that guy yeah so i’m going
To say butler to be generous yeah um and there’s that’s it yeah it’s just it’s um which is accurate it’s a very clear snapshot of the 50s yeah yeah um i’ve been talking a lot is there anything you wanted to say about non-spoiler stuff just that i wish it
Wasn’t spoiled for us yeah before watching it yeah yeah so if you’re gonna watch this movie yeah don’t don’t look it up just watch it oh we should tell them where you can watch it yeah oh yeah just look it up on youtube it’s there not rent or buy it’s
The whole movie it was just uploaded to youtube yep it’s been there for like six years uh we thought that it was fake at first because the opening credits seem like they’re just like something else yeah and i was like oh wait and then i was like fact checking
With what it had there is what it was on the imdb page so it’s legit um don’t have to buy this movie you don’t have to pay yourself don’t care anymore yeah oh well it happens and especially with a movie like this but i’m glad because
You know we got to watch it no worries yep we didn’t have to spend five dollars on it all right well um if you’ve got no more spoiler talk and non-spoiler talk and i’ve talked enough for five podcasts we might move on to the spoilers sounds good All right you’ve been warned it’s spoiler time if this is your first time uh we do a little thing where we just like to flush out all the idiots who just keep listening and don’t switch off um where i just say whatever happened at the end yeah and with this movie you
Really don’t want to know what happens at the end so i’m just giving you a little bit more time get out of here man bugger off okay zack sterling the uh second main character yeah yeah yeah because roger’s the main character dies at the end um chunk feeds him while he’s
Blindfolded a piece of raw liver in part of the gr part of the um griffin ceremony to become once they do that they are actives like that’s the last thing which is based off real things that happen yes the movie was uh originally going to be or some version of this was originally
Going to be the thesis project for the movie or something like this or this story or whatever was originally going to be the um the director’s thesis project in college about a real hazing death where he choked on a raw liver that was fed to him and
Uh that is the the aspect of the movie that was spoiled for us yeah which i think when i thought that it was gonna happen like early on or halfway through it added a sense of dread to the entire movie yeah because i was like i know
Someone’s gonna die yeah when is it gonna happen yeah and then i figured out when it was gonna happen i knew who it was gonna be zach but you figured it out pretty early but i was like oh i don’t know but then it pretty clearly was going that way yeah and
It did i had this sense of dread the entire time that i mean if you did it right and you had like him narrate at the start like you know the the beginning of the best and worst year of my life and like the loss of one of my good friends
And something like that and then you’re like oh [ __ ] what happened you know then you have that sense of dread but if you don’t know it would come out of nowhere like a ton of bricks like yeah if yeah if you didn’t know that uh somebody was gonna die then zach’s
Death would have come out of nowhere like really sudden like i just said yeah it is just like it does just happen huh yeah it’s so subtle you think that it’s gonna be like you think that it’s gonna be like roger’s you know he’s well he does that
He’s lost and tradition wins out over changing their ways and not being so cruel but instead of like because he walks up the stairs and everything and if you’re still listening you know he you don’t see it happen initially roger’s walking up the stairs away slowly
Like half turning back like i should put an end to this but then he doesn’t and he’s walking up the stairs and then he hears it get to zach and he turns back then he stops but then he hears that zach starts choking and he runs down he runs in and if you
Haven’t seen the movie and you aren’t aware of the 1950s they didn’t know how to save somebody who was choking i forgot to look it up yeah but i mean why would he why would the director make it that they didn’t know how if they did
And they did like all the wrong things yeah it was my god it was bad the way that they were trying to give him like chest compressions two of them were either side of him and another one was like sort of over top of his legs yeah pressing down on his lower
Back while the other two lifted his arms up like they were wings yeah i guess to like puff the chest out like yeah but it doesn’t work no it and he was like he was on his stomach yeah like he was on his front that doesn’t make any sense and that but
They do say don’t put him on his back to the paramedic and he’s like i’ve been doing this for 14 years the kid’s already dead like he took one look at him and he was like oh he’s purple but just what a a horrifying way to go yeah
It was pretty intense yeah like it was done really well compared to the rest of the movie you know there were some good bits but that whole scene was never like it was it was very real and uncomfortable and you felt like you were just watching somebody check today yeah you’re just watching
A a group of people just stand around not knowing what to do while somebody died in front of them and i’ve never been in a room where somebody’s died before but i’ve been in uh situations before where you’re one minute everything’s all cool and funky and the next minute something
Happens and it’s like a shock and that is just how it happens everybody just stands around and is like what what’s going on yeah and some people have big reactions and that and there’s the screaming and the yelling and the pushing all 100 legit that’s exactly how it goes
It’s not like they all it’s it’s not like in the movies where everybody’s just unified and goes oh this has happened now and oh let’s all work together yeah people freak the [ __ ] out and don’t know what to do at all and like chunk’s reaction was probably
Probably the most accurate or he’s like nah he’s just faking he’s just like not in a mean way yeah like he was so scared yeah he could hear it in his voice he’s like no he’s just he’s just faking just get up zach just get up and
He’s he’s just purple yeah because he’s pretty much his fault all right 100 his fault heavy stuff and it you don’t see it coming yeah no no it’s it seems way more about like ken roger and zach uh break down these traditions and change the fraternity for the better yeah not
Will he survive yeah and like i kind of liked the lead up because it was it didn’t didn’t make you feel like something really bad was gonna happen but it also kind of did with chunk like very subtly trying to you know put these pledges through hell but not really succeeding and then
Eventually he does but that on like that aspect of it you there is the build up there they didn’t do a great job of it because it was a lot of like little things yeah instead of subtle yeah but chunk was never like a malicious guy his his whole mindset is
Like will this happen to me yes this is how it’s supposed to happen why can’t i do that to them yeah he didn’t mean to kill the guy no he thought that he would give him the liver he would swallow it like the other ones did before him and then they’d laugh about
It that night they’d be like oh you know wasn’t that funny and then it’s just like a ride of passage yeah and you know it just went wrong and like in real life when an accident happens there’s no build up there’s no nobody’s like oh i knew this was going to happen
It just happens and then everyone is just in stunned silence like in this and yeah i i haven’t been in a room where somebody’s died but i have been in a room where everyone is sitting around um thinking about how uh someone around their age has just suddenly died
A good friend of all of us and it is exactly like that nobody’s normal you know everybody’s just sort of wide-eyed staring at the floor trying to figure out what the [ __ ] like how somebody who’s only 18 could just be gone like that just because of an accident yeah you know
Malicious or otherwise and that it was just yeah and then the movie just ends yeah it’s like the only time the movie properly portrayed like emotion no that’s a bit harsh you reckon i mean they do like real oh real emotional like real hardcore not just casual i know they portray horny pretty
Good do they is racist in emotion because there’s that scene with the dance yeah i just mean like the choking part and then the part after that where they’re all like in shock yeah it was the only time that it yes didn’t feel like they were acting yes and that’s
100 accurate like that’s how it is i’ve been there before and that’s just what it’s like especially when you’re young and you’re just like this is this kind of thing isn’t supposed to happen to people our age kind of thing it’s a yeah yeah not something that you
It’s it’s pretty hard to fake that like not for the actors but that vibe you have to to make that scene happen you have to know what you’re talking about and i think they did a really good job yeah all right now that we’ve covered the deep dark heavy part of the movie
Um like you said you know emotions and stuff in this movie weren’t really on full display it was pretty um you know for most of meandering kind of that’s a bit harsh just plain normal slice of life stuff yeah um uh other than like roger getting pissed off with chunk
When he’s like making zach eat onions and stuff like that but and like uh gregory harris does is that his name yeah does a good job of being like pissed off although i think that it was kind of wasted with the character arc that zach has yeah because he’s like super naive
And seems to think that the extremely prejudiced um gamma nu pi is just gonna welcome back lloyd yeah yeah but you know i believed his acting and emotions uh other than one scene which was um the ditch day arguments oh my god yeah which was like i don’t know if that was like
The first stuff that they filmed but it was really like that was the worst stuff it was very strange and out of nowhere yeah like it felt the most acting yeah yeah like um zach and jennifer they start fighting for some reason we don’t know why they have some sort of weird interaction
Before that about how the guy’s house is so big and why does he need all that space and then suddenly they’re fighting and they’re kneeling in like bushes on rocks but not right away yeah they have the thing at the pool yeah then it cuts to roger and is it angela or
No i don’t remember her name girlfriend yeah and she’s the racist one yeah like blatantly yeah she says the n-word yeah she does i thought you were going to say it then no no that’s it it’s not it’s not that kind of podcast uh they’re fighting yeah they’re fighting
And it like cuts between the two the party and the two couples and roger and his i can’t remember her name is it ruth no it doesn’t matter um their their argument is a lot more real except for the ending oh my god where um we might explain like what their
Argument is about later yeah but yeah um jennifer and zach are arguing and every time it cuts back to them they’re like doing something different yeah it’s like the first time he’s swimming in the pool and she’s sunbathing and then the second time they’re walking and then the third
Time like you said they’re just squatting at some rocks and they’re having this such an intense argument about changing a system and she’s like you can only change the system from the outside you have to leave it and come and he’s like you i have to stay in the system and i
Can change it from the inside and then just back and forth and screaming each other’s faces and it’s so it’s clearly like the director just went you want to stay in the system and change it you want him to leave the system because you’re worried about him
Go yeah yeah yeah pretty much yeah and then they stand up and he he does like he goes to like grab her face i don’t think he does that because it’s like two hands together it’s more like the it’s more like a boy it’s more like that but at
Her face and she like jolts back yeah and it felt very natural and real except the dialogue was just whatever yeah yeah it was just um their mind there’s them yelling at each other uh but the acting like he’s he’s good um peter fox is good he’s good at being
Very calm when he gets angry it doesn’t always come across as well yeah but he’s not he’s not terrible um scott newman sometimes felt like he was just reading lines yeah like most most of the other the other actors other than roger and oh well uh peter fox and gregory harrison
Everyone else kind of just seemed like they were waiting for the other person to finish talking yeah and then it was their turn to to say their lines and then do this and then do that yeah and there’s even like some parts like when um uh roger and his girlfriend are fighting
And he like the cameras on him he takes a couple steps she’s standing behind him after he takes two steps then she then she starts talking to him but it’s clearly in the middle of their conversation yeah and it’s like really clear and obvious blocking and choreography i suppose you’d call it or
Whatever where it’s not how people act yeah but for 90 of the movie it’s very natural and they all walk around and talk normally but in this one scene it’s very forced and very put on yeah which makes me feel like it was the first thing that they did yeah yeah probably um
Nancy morgan i think play jennifer i didn’t write it down but i’m pretty sure that was in it i did nancy morgan oh i wrote it down there [ __ ] i’m good i am we have papers for a reason i am too good anyway nancy morgan she’s plays jennifer she’s pretty good
But there’s sometimes where she’s just like what is she doing um like when they her and zac are being all flirty and they’re wearing the the drama like they’re the old olden day clothes yeah and she’s like he says aren’t you embarrassed and she goes no yeah she does like this big
Laugh that doesn’t you’re gonna say horse mouth horse mouth yeah i don’t want to be mean it’s not a good look she’s quite an attractive young woman or she was in this movie but in that scene yeah it’s they don’t i think it’s the angle that they film right it’s almost like
Below her eye line yeah so it makes her mouth look bigger for some reason yeah um there’s not too many like big faults in the acting it’s just they’re just acting yeah yeah it’s not very natural you can tell it’s very much like a college movie yeah yeah and
They’re just lucky that it got picked up yeah for distribution um there’s a lot of in that scene sorry when you say that like that’s exactly what it is it’s like a movie that you show to your class it’s like a learning thing that’s why it’s it’s weird because
That’s sort of how it started yeah and then it and then it got picked up for theatrical release so it must have had some money behind it to be noticed so it’s kind of like in between it’s yeah it’s half student film half theatrical film yeah yeah which is why it’s
As the producer’s name as a whatever whatever movie not the directors because yeah he he must have put money behind it yeah or that was the producer from paramount i don’t know i don’t know yeah so i don’t know um what we’re talking about where are we who am i uh that scene
With the where they’re in the fancy clothes that’s a good example of how it’s a lot of the time it’s just shot reverse shot it’s just him talking than her talking then him talking than her talking yeah there are some inspired things like that i say inspired like her walking away and
It’s following her and then he’s behind and then he catches up i like that and the way roger walks up the stairs and we can hear what’s going on downstairs and then he comes running back down um there was a uh through the through the dance
I liked that how they were doing the dance and the camera is moving and if you look really closely you do see jennifer at the end step out of the way notice that yeah but i forgive it because it’s hard to do that sort of stuff and i thought that
Was that was neat like instead i only noticed it the second time we watched yeah instead of showing same actually because i didn’t think about it the first time instead of just having the dance and then cutting to the others having it go through over to them i really like that
Yeah and um there was a couple of other bits nothing too crazy but there’s little things like that i thought were were neat um the uh the things like the zoom in on zach’s speech at the start like pretty early on yeah kind of straight back from like the pledge thing
He does the kind of speech you do like the end of the movie either at the end of the movie or like um it’s like the the second act yeah and then you know like something bad happens yeah yeah it just seemed kind of thrown in there or have it like
End with his speech yeah like instead of like play it again at the end yeah or or like he starts the speech and then it fades to them talking yeah and then at the end of the movie we hear the whole speech and it would be like a really grim thing
Where he has his whole speech about brotherhood and he never had brothers growing up but he feels like you know and he ends it with uh we’ll be brothers and friends until we die yeah he dies drama yeah see i like forgot about that speech yeah the
Mother movie went on because that was very early yeah because it was wasted yeah yeah um but that was another thing where yeah like it the director could have put that in a better place or something because the acting was quite good yeah and um
It’s the same as a speech that came not long before it the long names and detail speech came i don’t think you’d even need it i think you mean when roger was proving that like he learned everyone’s background yeah and that they can do it
Too yeah i think he only needed to do it with like maybe three which is what i thought and then he was like and you and you yeah and you did it with every single one of them it was like far out yeah that was too long that was way too
Long yep uh that there was something else i was gonna say about one of those i forgot to write it down it doesn’t matter must not have been a very important scranton yes there yes they’re from scranton most of them are from scranton as in the electric city um no it was
There was something with chunk and yes his name is chunk cherry chunk cherry yeah uh jennifer calls him like a bunch of different names one that i won’t repeat for fear of it being taken out of context she calls him like oh my god oh like something like that oh silence
I think that’s what she calls him it’s bad um people who’ve watched the movie will probably know what i’m talking about i was like you wouldn’t get away with that today no but you would get away with what the other woman says because it was to highlight
Racism yeah yeah when she calls it an n-word dance yeah which is just so random like i didn’t i didn’t understand what she was saying they were all just dancing together and then chunk and and that that girl yeah we can’t remember the name of had like a real problem with
It yeah and then she’s like that’s some n-word dance why is nobody dancing with each other that’s exactly if you haven’t seen the movie that’s our chunk talks why is nobody dancing why is nobody dancing with each other that’s just some n-word dance and he’s like i’m horny speaking of like
That that doesn’t work i was trying to think of a clever segue no the the sound of the movie is very different how they do it today yeah you can hear [ __ ] everything you can hear the walking you can hear their clothes shuffling everything it’s um it’s pretty clear that they didn’t have
Like a sound design budget so it’s just yeah we’ll just pick up the sound in the hallways it’s fine yeah of like people shuffling through it’s just like you talk and i’ll like just say something and i’ll just try to mimic it uh so chunk what are you doing yeah what are we
Doing the other day no you can’t do that yeah it’s just it’s just all the walking the squeaking of people’s shoes people’s conversations in the doors backgrounds yeah it’s bad it’s bad in like the big scenes but it was not too bad in the outdoor scene with
Zach and jennifer some for some reason yeah true i don’t know i don’t know why they did it good in some bits and not others i don’t know enough about it um yeah i mean that’s all like the technical stuff but the um the story i think was pretty solid like
The actual story yeah not key individual scenes but the actual story itself was pretty good in the themes and all that of like brotherhood and to a lesser extent sisterhood and what comes with that was done quite well and like they didn’t show too much of the
Sorority but you were like what the [ __ ] is any of this yeah it’s so bizarre to me yeah i think that it’s the fraternity stuff i’m like that hasn’t changed much that’s very much how it still is but all that sorority stuff is a lot of it got thrown out the window as
Far as i know yeah well it’s just weird you’re talking about like the candle yeah if you’re if you’ve i think what we think is if you’ve lost your virginity and you’re making your relationship official and you’re in their house was kappa something and the the the fraternity was gamma newpai
And their uh brother and sister house yes already weird and a lot of them they did say are related yes some way so there is a line yeah there’s a lot of interbreeding or inbreeding yeah um and yeah you make your relationship official there’s like a little ceremony
Where you have to if you’re the girl you blow out the candle to announce that it’s you yeah so hang on hang on all right all the girls are like all lined up on the stairs and like down the whatever and they pass the candle along to each girl and then
Eventually when it gets to the girl who’s wants to make their relationship official she blows it out so some of the girls like fake it and like you know pretend to blow the candle out but then it gets to roger’s girlfriend and she blows it out
And they all scream and hug each other and everything but they all already knew that they were a couple so i think that after you’ve had sex then you can make your relationship public because they sing about like so they pin there’s a song about putting a pin and
Yeah so they like wear a pin on their their shirts just say like we’re in a relationship and then they sing the the boys sing about losing vegeta it’s like first of all they sing the song it’s like kappa something something please come out and then they come out and then they the
Girls sing the pin song and then the boys sing it’s like um it’s like a story of like a gamma singing to a kappa and then it’s like something something you’ve lost your vagina you’ve you’ve now lost your virginity or something like that it like goes like that’s how
The note ends yeah on virginity and it’s and then the song ends and you’re like what yeah what was that yeah i don’t know i like what and yeah i don’t know and so i guess like but that’s like like zach and jennifer say like one more time like zack and jennifer uh
I would say in a relationship yeah that they just call each other friends because they haven’t had that ceremony to make yeah he says i want to be your friend yeah but i can’t do this right now so that’s why i think you have to have sex with each other and then you
Can make your relationship official and before that you’re just friends or maybe you have to make it official to lose your virginity so now that they’re pinned they can have sex yeah maybe either it was like i don’t know which one’s worse yeah it was like a wedding
Ceremony yeah well as i said we we’re married we got married it was less weird than that we didn’t have a choir of women and a choir of men yeah like i didn’t have all my mates doing a song about how we’re going to go and have sex now like
Oh yeah i’m i regret everything [Laughter] but it’s weird all the bit like all the girl stuff is so different now yeah like to the best of my knowledge there’s no [ __ ] candles and pins yeah or wearing completely white wedding dress yeah like a debutant thing and for the [ __ ] yeah
But they were in full-on white dresses holding flowers but all the guy stuff i was like this could have been made last week yeah you know they’re all like acting like a bunch of hooligans and dressing up in like gladiator outfits and as cavemen and
Stuff to go to the the big fancy ball thing and they’re they like eat onions and like as punishment and get liver down the throat to become an active member and all that kind of [ __ ] i’m like that’s that is still going on yeah like that hasn’t changed which
Take from what you will but girls have come a long way and boys are just like yeah no we’ll just do the same [ __ ] yeah well before the like the 30s yeah what you mean to say is like girls and women aren’t so sexualized anymore um in that sort of sense they’re very
Sexualized i would say them they’re less objectified yeah yeah yes absolutely like publicly objectified because when they when they don’t know who you’re asking i suppose when they meet up like the brother and sister fraternity houses or whatever that’s pretty much just like a place to
Like meet meet the other people but also match up with a guy yeah because like it’s not okay unless you have yep a guy and it has to be a gamma yeah it has to be a guy from you the other the fraternity you can’t go out with a guy
From somewhere else or if you do you can’t let anyone know because it’s not helpful yeah so that’s pretty much definitely different for women these days to choose which one’s going to be your boyfriend or girlfriend sorry friend [Laughter] friends that you kiss and no but i mean
It wasn’t all roses for the boys back then um like and it’s still the same now with like that in quotes brotherhood and i can attest to some of it i’ve never been in a fraternity before but i did play uh rugby league for most of my life and i can
Uh vouch for that sense of like as anyone who’s been in a team sport with people for A long time or even if it’s only been like that year or um i guess like the military would be a similar one or a frat house or some other or some sort of team where you have another layer like not a workplace but you have another layer of like
And i can’t speak for women so i’ll just say like brotherhood with you know that other person it’s not just that your friends like there’s another layer to it and i have had times where i’ve been in trouble like mostly out running amuck and i’ve had people
Who i don’t even see that much but because we have that connection have helped me out you know multiple times and vice versa and that is a really good thing but there is a dark side to it where if you go against that or you’re not a part of it it’s
It gets dark like you get shut out pretty badly or you know flat out abused and yeah it’s it gets ugly and this movie does a good job of showing that you know there’s the red scare with um lloyd pope’s dad yep um he’s one of the pledges his dad is the
Director of foreign affairs with china or something like that and he’s accused of being a communist and in the 50s that was might as well be a death sentence yeah so he resigns and lloyd is black bold which i never knew where that expression came from blackballed
But it’s a voting system they they vote and then you get given a black ball and you’re out i’d never i’d never known where it came from but i’d heard it a million times and it was nice to get some context uh yeah he’s voted out and then later on
Um his father his father is uh yeah proven innocent yeah but it doesn’t matter because there’s still dirt on that name yeah and he and he wouldn’t want to come back anyway like roger says and then that’s what leads to zach almost quitting yeah but it’s it’s like yeah
Of course this extremely prejudiced prejudice uh fraternity is just gonna kick someone out because they might be different yeah a dirty commie which back then there was an expression better dead than red in the 50s yeah so yeah um and at first i had written red scare stuff is pointless and then i
Pretty quickly realized it’s it to highlight how they might call themselves brothers or each other brothers and say you know friends till we die yep unless you’re different yeah exactly just i just crossed that part out yeah i was wrong but it’s and it all works and leads up to the ending
And like you know the little bits of like the sorority stuff and the fraternity stuff with like the actives and the pledges it’s pretty similar it’s just that the sorority stuff is seen as so innocent yeah when it’s just a different kind of malicious yeah and more under the surface yeah whereas the
Fraternity stuff is like they’re wearing robes and pretending to be a griffin and praying to a griffin before the start of every meeting and it’s real weird yeah because and he roger has a line about it when he’s narrating about how if they all realized how simple brotherhood could be they’d probably run
Because they have to add layers of ritual and all this stuff onto it and i’m like yeah that really speaks to how these days it’s different but a lot of the time men will come up with a reason for why they have to hang out yeah why you can’t just
Be friends with somebody and be there for your friend there has to be like a bigger reason not just you’re my friend it’s well oh you know we belong to the same fraternities yeah that’s why we’re friends yeah yeah and it these days it’s a bit better but
There is still a lot of that and yeah i’m guilty of it a lot of the time so yeah and we already talked about the the um death of zach so we’re not going to go over that over yet again yeah but um yeah we talked about this for longer than i
Expected yeah yeah i mean sad yo it was really grim like i know we’re not going to talk about it a lot but it was really grim yeah like that’s a horrible way to die yeah that was so awful and to watch like you watched the whole thing
You you hear him like try to swallow it but then yeah after that you watch everything blindfolded at first yeah so like imagine being blindfolded and then just something is put into your mouth and you start choking like but it’s scary like it’s just scary yeah like oh yeah it’s pretty intense
Yeah well on that note i rate fraternity row cash do you yes i don’t that’s fine i in my head then i was like still very much like yeah but i just i walked away from this movie with too many good things to say and it made me feel too many emotions to
Say that it was a bad movie fair enough this isn’t like bad moon where i like it but i know it’s bad this movie is like it sounds crap most of the time it doesn’t look very good the acting’s not crash hot but it has like you say makes you feel something
I didn’t probably feel as much i think i could maybe it was the right ability of the brotherhood aspect and how i’ve been in situations similar to that before or not even that but i’m the people the men in this movie or boys i should say even though they’re adults
To act like boys um i’ve met people just like that before all of them um and it just it just uh struck a chord with me i don’t know i don’t know how to sp fair enough yeah but if it didn’t have that ending yeah yeah true yeah were you gonna say
Something i was just gonna say yeah no i’m gonna say trash fair enough yep fair enough it’s not like don’t get me wrong this isn’t like a strong cash yeah it’s like i think i’m a big fan of a good ending um if there’s anyone who’s ever seen game
Of thrones they’ll everyone knows the tragedy there but it’s not just that like a lot of tv shows and movies just sort of end yeah either predictably or they just tv shows are really bad for it where they just don’t really end they just go uh
Because it’s scary but i think that this movie [ __ ] nailed it yeah So that’s what we liked and didn’t like about fraternity row this is part two of 1977 we did star wars or star wars episode four a new hope last week yep and we like to just at the end of the part two episode just look at why the highest grossing was the highest
Grossing and the lowest grossing out of the top 200 is or in this case top 35 yeah what we could find um why it was at the bottom yeah you know and you know all the same stuff it’s a fair fight they got released to roughly the same amount of countries what and
Movies get extended runs if they’re popular you know and all that sort of stuff so why didn’t it muster up the same amount of money or anywhere near the same amount of money it was just by chance i was listening to a podcast called smartless um with will arnett jason bateman and sean
Hayes i almost said sean levy sean hayes and will annette they were talking to jj abrams and he told a little half a story about when the first star wars came out because he was a kid and his kids asked him like you know why why was this like so important and whatever
It’s just it’s like star wars and he’s like because before star wars came out nobody had ever seen anything like this at the movies you know there were like flash gordon which is what inspired george lucas and all that but to go to the movies and see this it was the first
Time ever that this kind of thing like how it looked and the story and everything was at the movies and that’s why and i think he put it perfectly into words yeah like no other movie that year could have even come close to star wars let alone fraternity row which is like a
I guess a decent tv movie yeah these days yeah you know what i mean yeah it you got the game changer probably the most or one of the most but it’s like top five if not top three most influential films of all time versus a very by the book
Standard movie yeah yeah very much what you’ve seen before what we’ll go on to see again with fraternity row um versus something nobody’s ever seen before and like something that nobody thought would uh would work succeed so yeah it’s it’s most times we can go well you know it’s
Pretty obvious but this time it’s like holy [ __ ] fraternity row is like an ant up against a nuclear bomb it is just there is no perceivable future or or um timeline where fraternity row beats star wars no way so yeah um it’s not hard to see why yeah yeah
Although this was competently made i feel for the time yeah it was um very safe and familiar i suppose i think it was let down by the budget yeah a lot of the time and obviously what we would call today an indie movie is how i would describe this yeah um
Independent uh and yeah i think good on them yeah it’s commendable that they’ve got this movie put out there and yeah yeah more people should see it so yeah no worries do you have anything to say oh pretty much just the same thing yeah yeah were you gonna say the thing about smartlist
No i didn’t listen to that one oh okay yeah well you should okay check out tomorrow’s hopefully they’ll shout us out oh my god could you imagine jason bateman saying the name of our podcast why why jason bateman why do you single him out because he’s my fave of the three
Imagine if they had jeff goldblum on there oh my god i shouldn’t shouldn’t have said that let’s not get into jeff goldblum [Laughter] um yeah well with that why don’t you tell the people where they where else they can find us yep um so we have a patreon if you want
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Comes straight through to me on my phone as i say every week nobody emails [Laughter] no um yeah that’s it yep next week we will be doing this is uh the end of 1977. next week we will be doing 1982 with et the extraterrestrial yep eth One of my childhood fave movies i don’t think i’ve ever seen it all the way through i don’t remember any of it i just know that i liked it um yeah but you you said the same thing about the never ending story [Laughter] and then i watched it again recently and i was like my god this movie sucks well as far as i can remember the never ending story is not as highly regarded as etc yeah so you should be lucky okay we’ll find out next week all right well thanks for listening
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