And start recording you know yes it has okay so it took a little longer than I expected anyway uh so let’s get started with uh my wish and then continue from there uh pathology comma why don’t you read my wish the lover has to keep the wish of the Beloved
My wish for my lovers is as follows do not shirk your responsibilities attend Faithfully to your worldly duties but keep always at the back of your mind that all this is Babas when you feel happy think Baba wants me to be happy when you suffer think Baba wants me to suffer
B resigned to every situation and think honestly and sincerely Baba has placed me in this situation with the understanding that Baba is an everyone try to help and serve others I say with my Divine authority to each and all that whosoever takes my name at the time
Of breathing his last comes to me so do not forget to remember me in your last moments unless you start remembering me from now on it will be difficult to remember me when your end approaches you should start practicing from now on even if you take my name only once every day
You will not forget to remember me in your dying moments thanks for that uh so let’s continue with discourses are the repeat repeat repeat Journey that we are doing with the recording mix up so where are we now so let’s do our filter this again I’m repeating so that everybody
Loves to do it so you just click on 23 reading we have finished three things is what it’s telling us uh now we start with the next step so after new Humanity what what the last one is uh the epilogue uh 12 ways of uh loving me um
Build ways of realizing me sorry and then from that we go to uh spirit and matter so we’ll go in the sequence of the cards which is life of the spirit violence and non-violence violence and non-violence further explained uh Avenues to understanding Infinity of the truth travel of the New World Order and
Live for God and I forgot so I I have a few thoughts here and I think uh I know we need not derail uh the whole call but come up we can change the sequence in this I think uh infinity of the truth comes first then life of
The spirit and violence and non-violence the two chapters actually go completely to the end of this right because it’s it’s literally something that uh you process after you process the difference between spirit and matter is my view right so after this would ideally be uh in fact we can start with
Travel of the New World Order uh or move travel of the new world world order to info General right just my thought right uh think about it and let me know in fact because we don’t have time after epilogue I I suggest we read the Prevail
Of the New Order and then go on with the rest you’re okay with that yes okay so let me move that here in fact if that’s what we’re doing it’s more relevant to do Humanity followed by Prevail of the new world order then do 12 ways of realizing me
The rest are all related to Spirit and metal and that we can do in the sequence life of the spirit followed uh by Avenues to understanding followed by live for God and die for God Infinity of the truth and when you do violence uh and non-violence two chapters deal sounds good yeah yeah
Um I was wondering about the 12 ways of realizing me it’s more like um so we can keep it at the end you know so don’t mix that with the spirit and matter right now no it’s not spirit and matter see this is info General so this is along with
Seven realities and introduction so we’re still there we have not even started spirit and matter okay so we do travel of the new uh uh new Humanity travel of the New Order and uh epilogue and seven realities are really General stuff right it’s General messages that Baba has given and not
Really a discourse right right what about that one small chapter on war that um that comes after before reincarnation and Karma or something let me see uh that one small die or hold on uh that is that’s this one that is the uh travel of the new world order the
Travel of the New Order and live for God and die for God because that is something related to the war part you know the page number 339 live for God and died I got it I got it it’s in spirit and matter but that’s related to more spirit and matter I thought okay
Okay so I think at least if you take the if you take the tone and tenor of uh new uh uh new human I mean the travel of the New World Order and uh new Humanity they’re very similar right they’re very very uh yeah on a macro basis for me it
Comes under spirit and matter I don’t look at it as an intro or info kind of thing you know yeah why complicated just put it simply as like you know so so okay go ahead that’s it no I already moved it I see my screen
Yeah I agree with you so this just do travel then uh epilogue uh uh uh to always oh sorry this Cruise here sorry guys what are the others think uh uh we don’t want to derail this but uh we want to do it right you have continuing it that’s fine yeah yeah
So let’s do epilogue now amen this small one let me read this this is the epilogue epilogue you know how do you pronounce that okay I’ll read 12 ways of realizing me number one longing If you experience that same longing and thirst for Union with me
As one who has been lying for days in the hot sun of the Sahara experiences the longing for water then you will realize me I read that again if you experience that same longing and thirst for Union with me as one who has been lying for days in the
Hot sun of the Sahara experiences the longing for water then you will realize me something now makes the grammar here yeah it’s okay it’s correct If you experience that same longing and thirst for Union with me as one who has been lying for days in the hot sun of the
Sahara experiences the longing for water then you will realize me number two peace of mind if you have the piece of a frozen lake then two you will realize me number three humility if you have the humility of Earth which can be modeled into any shape then you will know me
Number four desperation If you experience the desperation that causes a person to commit suicide and you feel that you cannot live without seeing me then you will see me number five faith if you have the complete faith that Kalyan had in his master in believing it was night
Although it was day because his master said so then you will know me number six if you have the Fidelity that your breath has in keeping you company till the end of your life even without you’re constantly feeling it both in happiness and suffering never turning against you then you will know me
Control through love when your love for me drives away your lust for the things of the senses then you will realize me so I’ll pass here uh any thoughts on the ones will be read till now so words like these we have got in other messages as well longing and Sahara for water
Peace of mind like a frozen lake humility is here the analogy is Earth Earth can lend itself to be modeled like anything desperation again desperation to the point of suicide yeah desperation to me it is so hard to think that this kind of speechless what it is
That’s what to discuss in this actually yeah so because each one is so so profound and I I suggest that we add this into our you know we need something I was thinking yes yes yes so let us include this and maybe make a slide or something yeah I was thinking
The same yeah yeah yeah so Fidelity again I love this one if you have the fiddly Fidelity that your breath has in keeping you company till the end of your life even without your constantly feeling it both in happiness and suffering never turning against you then you will know me
Seven control through love when your love for me drives away your lust for the things of the senses then you will realize me here what is the control through love what are you controlling through now question so it’s more than more than control it is love replacing lust then you realize me right
No it is about self-awareness control I think the word control is not the right English word ambiguity because control is like Newton’s third law of motion action because reaction where it is actually control is like spending of course one has to look at it at context but I’ll prefer the word awareness
So if you are aware then you do intelligent action you kind of unwind your sense for us you’re not reacting controlling is a form of reaction so it’s a very subtle thing between control and awareness awareness is a form of observation you know a witness if you’re able to witness your anger
Then you want react to that anger but if you try to control that anger that is still going to be there just because you are not so there is a subtle way of looking at it out here and also when he says when you love but
When your love for me I interpret it as me means your innermost loving self see we have to transcend the form of Baba you know I keep repeating that again and again I mean a lot of people don’t like that because it’s like the Hare Krishna movement you know they like to identify
With the form but we know that the form changes so we have to be very very clear whenever the word me comes whenever the word god comes whenever the word Baba comes or Krishna or whatever it is actually talking about our innermost loving self oils yeah that’s a good reminder
For all of us selfless service number eight if you have the quality of selfless service unaffected by results similar to that of the sun it serves the World by shining on all creation on the grass in the field on the birds in the air on the
Beasts in the forest on all of mankind with its Sinners and Saints it’s rich and poor unmindful of the attitude toward it then you will win me our innermost loving self number nine renunciation if you renounce poor me everything physical mental and spiritual then you will have me
Number 10 obedience if your obedience is as spontaneous complete and natural as light is to the eye or smell to the nose then you will come to me number 11 surrenderance if your surroundings to me is as wholehearted as that of one who suffering from insomnia surrenders to sudden sleep without fear
Of being lost then you will have me number 12. love if you have that love for me that Saint Francis had for Jesus then not only will you realize me but you will please me and Baba okay uh here in all day uh uh the courts are
Victims that Baba has given that is that extreme last step so you have to go to that extreme last step then alone you will realize him uh yeah there is that uh extreme last step so yes and no so if you take stuff like selfless service
It’s yeah even there it’s the the height of selfless service right the height of selflessness and so on yeah yeah so it’s basically yeah in all the element all the concepts that we have covered here so again I’ll read just the titles you have longing peace of mind humility desperation faith fidelity
Control through love selfless service renunciation obedience surrendrons and love so all of them the extreme forms of it are more than extreme the highest and most full forms of the of of the same is what we need what I am still not uh semantically understanding and like he said
Surroundings is I mean control is the wrong word but I don’t know if awareness is the alternate awareness through love then your love for me arrives Away Your Lust For the things of the senses then you will realize me yeah I think that’s much better in control to love
Yeah it’s more about awareness of your Sensations if you look at it I think what jumps out for me is the five senses touch taste sound smell side and it relates to the five elements earth water air sorry fire air and space so it is interestingly if you look at it
It is the you know when he talks about the light which is heat you know temperature and I’ve read in kriya yoga which is very interesting you know we all know that you know I sent one link about the atom everything you know about the atom what is happening inside you know manifests
Itself on the external world so what we see out here is that the Phi elements in the body is like blood is like water is like blood uh heat is like temperature of the body the space is basically the space between the organs and the organs are basically like Earth matter
And the air we breathe is the oxygen so there is a very interesting analogy out here and I think each one of this is basically a mutually exclusive event and another way of looking at is a human being is like head heart hands so head is bhakti yoga and ansys Karma Yoga so
Karma yoga can be looked as a form of selfless service and then bhakti yoga heart is the full devotion like and if you have a nyana yoga you can look at it from the point of Ramana Maharishi or Nazareth but of course Baba encapsulates everything you know he’s for everybody
If you want to do bhakti uh you can do it if you want niana it’s like God speaks and if you want to do selfless service because Baba’s message is unconditional love and selflessness uh on your five elements and five senses is there a one-to-one correlation or just a number based product correlation
No there is I mean it’s just an analogy you know because all these medical truths we are just using metaphors and you know allegories so one need not go so deep but it’s just the way Baba has explained here when he talks about all these different things
Like selfless service it’s like the sun you know and that’s like a good analogy to understand what it means you know that whatever you do in order to check yeah yeah like the Gita principle you know uh focus on the means or do action but don’t worry about the results of
Your Action kind of stuff you know all right thanks okay so let’s uh um go to the next chapter then um after the epilogue IP log okay it’s put it in the matter or this should be here next is travels of the new world of the new yes yes yes perfect
Page number 298 from the book yeah okay do you want to read the subjective yeah I’m good to read peace so I’m reading from the book so you can keep yeah sure yes the travel of the New World Order the world storm that has been Gathering momentum is now having his greatest outburst
And in reaching its climax it will work Universal disaster in the struggle for material well-being all grievances have assumed fantastic proportions and the various differences of human interests have been so accentuated that they have precipitated distinctive conflict Humanity has failed to solve this individual and social problems and the evidence of
This failure is very clear the incapacity of people to deal with their problems constructively and creatively reveals a tragic deficiency in the right understanding of the basic nature of man and the true purpose of life can anyone explain this paragraph it’s very very uh say profound or we need some examples
To understand this in our present context study um from I think of course you know the current situation in the world is a clear example of what is uh uh what is described here in this particular paragraph Humanity has failed to solve its individual and social problems and the
Evidence for this failure is very clear we know the one percent is owning 99 percent approximately of the wealth and we see different categories of people and personally what I’ve seen is having lived in the U.S gone through the analog to the digital era the U.S was very self-sufficient after
World War II you know blue collared job White Collar jobs and so on and then when they started working with China the blue collar jobs went to China and then thanks to Information Technology people who were educated could transition but then again Information Technology became outsourced
We know all the problems that you know Visa problems that Americans don’t like Outsiders coming to us because the companies are making profits based on the you know the leverage the financial leverage that they get from using third world labor I mean we should not be calling ourselves yeah correct the Arbitrage
So today I was reading you know the guardian about booking.com you know it was very interesting to see that many of the people booking.com very interestingly has almost uh 30 margin you know they made like five 15 billion in revenues about five billion uh three billionaires profits at
The cost of they almost owe 1.6 billion to uh hotels they have not paid actually a lot of people went bankrupt and all that so in a way technology has been very great for us but it’s being misused and abused by the wannabes so I think here the incapacity of people to
Deal with their problems constructively and creatively reveals a tragic deficiency in the right understanding of the basic nature of man and the true purpose of life so the true purpose of life you know from God speaks is who am I I think that is the only real question we are all
Here why they are born why we have relationships why do we get married what is the significance of male and female incarnations which is all there in discourses so anyway I’ll stop here because others will like to give their own inputs so I think uh I I agree with you
Also the true understanding means connecting everything with God and wish the entire humanity is lacking you know spiritually also even in the material world you need to even creatively you know God is removed from everywhere all the paintings all the creative whichever thing you say so that that’s the core point
That we we have God is on the other side and others you know so we have made separate divisions and God is one of them so there we this is a place where we are lacking the entire Humanity how do we Define God how do we Define God that is the first
Time we are diverging we are diverging the question very clearly is how do we understand this paragraph right so I think yes uh that there is a slipping away from God that has happened but if you look at just the limited view of this uh paragraph it is I’ll I’d like to
Use the word uh that mamaji used in the last chapter which is Extreme right so all the things have slipped away to the uh extreme so in the in the ability of the material progress and in in the uh lustang agreed all the uh aspects of uh negative uh or I shouldn’t
Use the word negative we’re reading discourses or so the uh the the the the storm has actually the world storm has peaked that’s the that’s the message I am getting here right so that’s the message I am taking away does that kind of help mamaji ah it did help uh the thing is
As nehaji put it we seemed to keep going in all our dealings in the world that is the total storm or the deficiency no but that’s the that’s the answer or that’s the reason that has led us to here but if you look at it just as the
Paragraph that’s here yes it’s just talking about the slipping away of human life and the world itself to far away from uh the true purpose and uh yeah okay let’s continue this is not the first time this has happened okay this is just one part that
Is happening in this era in a different form and the way I look at it from a practical point of views it’s a conflict between material life and spiritual life what we call as the material life or spiritual Freedom based on Maslow’s self-actualization and the spiritual life which is about self-realization or
God realization so I personally I’ve said this before putting the cart before the horse before you try for Spiritual Freedom work on your material freedom and parallely work on your spiritual freedom and the issue is uh sorry if I’m making this a point we see in mehrabba I know a
Lot of people who are out there are of course everybody is looking for Spiritual freedom but a lot of people are struggling with their material freedom and so what I see in the world is basically that a lot of people who have material Freedom don’t have a clue about
Spiritual freedom because they are totally attached to their material life materialism and this can go on and on you know but the basic truth out here is whether we are able to balance our material life and spiritual life and are we able to get our material Freedom what
We call as Financial Security to get out of the Rat Race and focus 100 on your spiritual life which can also include whatever work you’re doing okay so I think just getting out of the Rat Race what is that point is what the spiritual understanding defines actually
Because ultimately there is no end how much material wealth is actually that you need so unless you get to trust and now this is enough for me you know there is we can all have a low carbon footprint but we all like to have fancy cars and live penthouses with air conditioners
Okay let’s start with ourselves yes yes that’s correct so again I think a good discussion but uh uh to extend uh Sanjay this point there is there is no one answer for everybody right so the the each one to themselves and uh the idea of material freedom is personal in the sense that
Somebody may decide to live a lot more frugally with a lot lesser carbon footprint and even uh actual Cash Out burn and somebody else may do something else so it’s it’s left to themselves and if I dare say it’s left to their sanskaras as well so who are we to question that but
Yes yeah we live our material life spiritually actually that’s what Kama says and I love that yeah yeah yes absolutely yeah I mean the whole idea is are you living a material life spiritually speaking that is correct and the point here is do you want to have a simple life or a
Complicated life you know yes and that was of course Different Strokes for different folks how they look at it see I have nothing against people living in penthouses or whatever as long as they are not attached you know but yeah it’s not that people who are rich I’m not
Saying that you can’t be rich and still be spiritual that’s not it like King janaka is an example you know but my point is that whether you know what we call as renunciation of action or renunciation renunciation action are you attached to your fruits or you are able to have that
Seven realities the renunciation aspect you know yeah like she used to stay like a princess even though like his father become very poor right after joined the Baba and all because what Baba said then he in the previous uh life he was like a princess that’s why in the this current uh like
Her what I will say in the current time she is behaving like a princess she’s eating by knife and all so might be if someone is buying like a very very expensive car or expensive house it might not be the like he’s very uh connected materialistic things might be like
Because of his previous sanskara in previous time he was very big personal yeah it might happen I may have a like 100 crores but I’m living very Brown life or very very or I’m like saving a lot of money and not spending anything so sometimes it depends on the your
Previous sanskar also and sometimes your current sanskar also that’s what I feel perfect perfect very very correct so the test is not frugality or the test is not uh uh how you are living our richness the test is they are attachment to it so if that if you do respect to that
Example if somebody is eating in a fork and a spoon and enjoys that great to even enjoy it the test is whether you are attached to that and if you’re attached to it then you are not living your life uh material like spiritually to use that expression so so are so are
You saying that if I have a very polluting vehicle because I own it that’s okay definitely not definitely not so yeah means responsibilities but what I think Karthik was saying if I have a chicken noodles I am happy if I remember I’m happy so that that the responsibility of see
The damage is done the moment you bought that uh highly polluting vehicle the damage is done okay that’s that’s a bad example I am saying that if you have the means to it and uh uh if you have a Tesla right a Tesla doesn’t leave any
Footprint but it costs guys see you rich guys don’t justify yourself okay [Laughter] as long as you go to the second house third house fourth house or at the penthouse you are cultivating sanskaras you are cultivating um things which leads you to the next birth so what is your aim that you need
To understand are you in the loop of reincarnation or you are you are reading God speaks and you wants to you know wind up this thing so your Clarity and you need to be focused yes uh Baba always says that uh you should be self-sufficient and you should not ask
God for anything these are the basic requirements and from last you know hundreds and thousands of years we should be able to learn how to earn our living and how to lead our life These are the basics but you should not go Bonkers you just justifying yourself and uh
See try to be on the path and try to understand from that point of view like Baba had everything but such a simple life Baba and monthly had you know so so one has to start from that point the focus has to be on that point and then you need to
Understand that why you need this money is it for charity is it for even charity is not a good word uh or a good thing for in spirituality it multiplies your karmic so one has to be very cautious about it so just keep in mind while reading discourses that’s the only request I
Have good point good point what’s the better word for charity maybe we all need that for some reason or the other so that kind of a charity helps you a lot but if you like to have a photograph you like to come into the Limelight with
That and like to talk to people that’s the best way of you know to start your conversation that how good a human being you are so then you are that’s that’s how it’s true I understand yeah can I bring up my point that I got
Stuck to yeah yeah sure okay so uh sorry about this but I just turned on and Karma was talking about people in merabad so uh I’m not sure why he left for just merova I thought that was not fair because we all struggle with the ability and freedom
But maybe Karma can explain it yes there are many people who were doing good jobs and they were doing very well abroad or otherwise they just left everything for Baba and you know they have been donated so much to trust too otherwise and so they eventually they they are today they
Hardly have anything they are fine with it because the God’s life is like that that live with live it now and I’m I’m holding your hand and I will take you through this so they are leading that life which is extremely difficult yes and they purposely they purposely
Designed this life that’s why saying is extremely important than rest of the world who uh you know out of their foolishness or out of their uh greed they have made this came to this point so people yes are very concerned about them uh because they they have children away
I agree I agree with all that but I think we can all connect you know but such people are there in a other uh societies of spiritual societies like you have rather Swami Faith where I have personally yes yes people yes yes and there is uh followers yes other gurus
Also who are rich people living in seclusion living everything so these examples are there people are there on the spiritual path need not be directly connected to Mayor Baba uh but on the part they are so Mera but I think example he gave just saw Yes yes but we
All go there and we can connect to what he’s talking I think that was the only purpose uh to me okay I understand just solutions to sunil’s comment this is just my observation somebody told me I want to name the name what is happening in Mera bath is
Reflected in the overall in the world what we see yeah because ultimately what we see is human interactions and conflicts and relationships how people deal with each other okay one can look from the outside very much like you know I’m right out there I’m peaceful I’m in Bliss I’m doing this I’m
Doing that but from my observation what I’ve seen I’m not saying everybody is like that but what I liked about the statement was what do you see in merabat The Good the Bad and the Ugly is now reflected in the world now how you interpret it is
I would like to detach myself from that Baba help me let me just focus on Baba okay thanks thank you come on yeah thank you a lot of interesting conversation please continue yes yeah yeah conflict between forces of light and darkness the world is witnessing an acute
Conflict between the forces of light and the forces of Darkness on the one hand there are selfish persons who seek their happiness blindly through lust for power unbridled greed and unrelieved hatred ignorant of the real purpose of life they have sunk to the lowest level of civilization
They bury their higher selves in the breakage of crumbling forms that Linger on from the dead past by material interests and limited conceptions they are forgetful of their Divine destiny they have lost their way and their hearts are torn by the ravages of hate and rancor
On the other hand there are persons who unveil their inherent higher selves through the endurance of pain and deprivation and through Noble acts of bravery and self-sacrifice the present war is teaching man to be brave to be able to suffer to understand and to sacrifice Karthik you need to move the patient
Yeah yeah cure for selfishness needed the disease of selfishness in mankind will need a cure that is not only Universal in its application but drastic in nature selfishness is so deep rooted that it can be eradicated only if it is attacked from all sides real peace and happiness will Dawn
Simultaneously when there is a perching of Self in selfishness the peace and happiness that come from self-giving love are permanent even the worst Sinners can become great Saints if they have the courage and sincerity to invite a drastic and complete change of heart man will become sick of wanting greed hate
The present chaos and destruction will engulf the whole world but in the future this will be followed by a very long period in which there will be no war the passing suffering and miseries miseries of our times will be worth enduring for the sake of the long period of happiness
That is to follow eventually what will the present chaos lead to how will it all end it can only end in one may one way mankind will become sick of it all man will be sick of wanting and sick of fighting out of hatred greed and hatred will reach such intensity that everyone
Will become weary of them the way out of the deadlock will be found through selfish selfless selflessness the only alternative that can bring a solution will be to stop hating and to love to stop wanting and to give to stop dominating and to serve suffering generates understanding great suffering awakens great
Understanding Supreme suffering fulfills its purpose and yields its true significance when it awakens an exhausted Humanity and steers within it a genuine longing for real understanding unprecedented suffering leads to unprecedented spiritual growth it contributes to the construction of life on the unshakable foundation of the truth it is now High time that Universal
Suffering should hostile Humanity to the stunning point in its spiritual history it is now High time that the very agonies of our times should become a medium for bringing a real understanding to Human Relationships it is now High Time For Humanity to face squarely the true causes of the catastrophe that has
Overtaken it it is now High time to seek a new experience of reality to know that life is real and eternal is to inherit inherit unfading Bliss it is time that man had this realization by being unified with its own self so one point that has come to Great
Suffering leads to the Great spiritual upheaval person unprecedented suffering leads to unprecedented spiritual growth this maybe we can discuss if you want yeah Supreme suffering yeah go ahead oh okay sorry I should let you moderate first uh so um suffering this particular paragraph reminds me of the paragraph in the conditions of happiness
Attachment or intense dispassion so where he says the kind of Detachment that really lasts is due to the understanding of suffering and its cause it was securely based upon the unshakable knowledge that all things of this world are momentary and passing and that any clinging to them is bound
Eventually to be a source of pain man seeks worldly objects of pleasure and tries to avoid that bring sprain without realizing that it cannot have the one furnace to the other so lasting attachment which brings freedom from all desires and attachments is called complete dispassion so this is on page 391 392.
Okay so that’s why suffering is a benediction yeah okay let’s continue not worry when you are you are suffering here then you have to surrender that suffering to Baba like you do that for happiness affirmation of Truth through unification with the higher self man perceives the infinite self in all
Selves he becomes free by outgrowing and discarding the limitations of the ego life the indivisible Soul has to realize with full Consciousness is identity with a universal soul man has reoriented man shall reorient life in the light of the ancient truth and will readjust his attitude towards his neighbors in everyday life
To perceive the spiritual value of Oneness is to promote real Unity with cooperation with cooperation Brotherhood then becomes a spontaneous outcome of true perception the new life that is based upon spiritual understanding is an affirmation of the truth it is not something that belongs to Utopia but is completely practical
Now that humanity is thrown into the fire of bloody conflicts through immense anguish it is experiencing the utter instability and futility of a life based on Purely material conceptions the r is near when man in his eager longing for real happiness will seek its true source foreign out here
That says the new life that is based upon spiritual understanding is an affirmation of the truth so this is very clear understanding spiritual understanding and I also look at Material understanding what is the purpose of material life what is the purpose of spiritual life we are all human beings we are all
Spiritual Beings in a material body this material body which is grows certain mental is a medium for the spirit or the self or the consciousness of the soul to realize itself that is me I am God so what is interesting today is because of all the scientific what I call as
Scientific materialism the laws of nature based on loss of matter and laws of spirit to my understanding the laws of matter started getting scientific from 5 1500 A.D with Galileo and all that today we have smartphones sending out ships but the laws of the spirit or loss of
What I call the spiritual life is already been discovered by the ancient you know like the Saints and for the last five thousand years so the conflict I see out here today is the emphasis toward the material life rather than the spiritual life so what is needed is a balancing act
Between material life and spiritual life Divine love through the God man the time is also ripe when Humanity will urgently seek to contact the embodiment of Truth in the form of God man Avatar through whom it can be inspired and lifted into spiritual understanding it will accept the guidance that comes from
Divine Authority only the outpouring of divine love can bring about Spiritual Awakening in this critical time of universal suffering humanity is becoming ready to turn towards its higher self and to fulfill the will of God Divine love will perform the Supreme Miracle of bringing God into hearts of
Man and of getting him established in lasting and true happiness it will satisfy the greatest need and longing of mankind Divine love will make people selfless and helpful in their Mutual Mutual relationships it will bring upon bring about the ultimate solution of all problems the new Brotherhood on Earth shall be fulfilled
Fact and Nations will be United in the fraternity of love and truth my existence is for this love and this truth to suffering human Humanity I say have hope I have come to help you in understanding yourself to the cause of God in surrendering yourself to the cause of God
And in accepting his grace of love and truth I have come to help you in winning the one victory of all victories to win yourself foreign yeah go ahead yeah go ahead I just had one observation so this is written in first person Baba but then there’s one line that’s
Interesting here right the time is also ripe when Humanity will ardently seek to contact the embodiment of Truth in the form of God man so he’s reference in in first person right through but then at the point there’s also a third person reference here our own inner loving self we have to
Figure that out that’s our journey Anyway come on you want to say something so I was just pointing out the last line I have come to help you in winning the one victory of all victories to win yourself Capital self capital S which is why we do the namaste in our Eastern
Tradition and also in many of the Baba messages we have noticed that like for example in how to love God you know the last postulate basically he talks about you know where he says that um the let me see yeah to love God as he
Ought to be loved we must live for God and die for God knowing that the goal of all life is to love God and find them as our own self so I think this is probably one of the definitions of what we mean by God you
Know is he somebody outside of us or is he somebody inside already is within us as Baba has given many examples where he says I’m inside your heart you know I’m like there are too many people inside your heart you know kind of thing and you have to open up your heart
So the whole aspect of when we talk about loving God It ultimately signifies loving our own innermost loving self so this is the message subliminally given in all the messages of Baba and all the other Saints also but we somehow the Mind wants to focus on the form
Which is also okay because in the chapter on yoga and meditation Baba says when you’re on the spiritual path you have to go through the personal form of God but then you have to transcend to the impersonal aspect okay any other questions or insights before we look to summarizing this chapter and moving
Forward so what is chapter uh very good as a separate PDF file to be shared with you know friends it’s a very there are people friends we have who also are in on you know somebody’s various parts yeah yeah yeah there is gurus you know it’s a good share
It’s like yeah yeah very neutral very relevant and very relevant to the times that we are in yes try to make a separate PDF for this message yeah sure from the PDF file sure so in fact that’s another thing I wanted to do maybe just create all discourses
At separate periods you know and I even attach it to these cards anyway uh that’s some homework for me um so let’s just see this so what is the essence of this chapter we start with the world storm which is uh basically are pushing ourselves to the material
Limits and moving away from God then you go from conflict between the forces of light and darkness pure for selfishness and then that’s the first time he talks about selflessness as well and then says that this will continue and culminate in man becoming sick of wanting greed and hate so even uh the
Factors of hate which Drive Wars and uh that kind of action will also Peak and he will manually eventually become sick of it then the that beautiful uh para para on suffering finally uh Truth uh you know dominates and uh uh and the last one is inheriting divine love
Through the God man so in the last in the affirmation of Truth the first reference to the Avatar happens I mean first reference in this chapter and then he talks about uh inheriting Divine love through the God man right so this is uh yeah this is Victor a bit bit
Scary uh in a sense that there are more suffering to the come to them yet to come to the world we have seen first world war in the second where you know millions of people got killed partitioned India Pakistan and then this Corona thing yeah so I think
But it is Baba’s timelines and Baba’s way of saying suffering it could be you know physical or it could be mental or whatever you know we don’t know but I I tend to think of this is going to break a few patterns which are in within us from ages
And we think it’s a must like eating food every day so he is going to crack so many things and it is going to happen in within this 20 years you know so be ready all the best all of you and to me absolutely I I also have this because it
Is it is yeah yeah we are on the edge we are on the edge and we still need to still do this just pray to Baba the expression that comes to my mind is where your seatbelts yes right so be ready it’s imminent anyway so with that uh let’s get to the next
Chapter life of the Spirit uh I just want to make a comment um I think that Sanjay ji was talking about the suffering that is yet to come and all that he just mentioned suffering is a benediction which I think is a kind of a bomb and
Also we understand from God speaks this is all in the Divine dream of God the analogy to it is basically when these code when the daily 24 hours we have a waking state of 16 others and eight hours of sleep and under that you have two substrates
The sound sleep State and the dream sleep and we all know that when we go to when we dream in our sleep it is as real as the waking state till we wake up from that sleeping dream that dream is is very real so we wake up
From the dream and realize it’s only a dream and probably nature was designed you know the Divine theme or script was designed in such a way for us to dream in our sleep feel as if it’s real because we are a participant and an observer and then wake up from the dream and
Realize my God it was only a dream so the uh more the lesson out here is that the waking state is also a waking Dream from which we need to awaken which is what Baba’s Awakening is all about that this whole thing is happening in
The Divine dream of God so if you are able to detach yourself and have this spiritual and material understanding then probably whatever so-called apparent suffering what is suffering apparent suffering is being attached to the body the gross body subtle body mental body and we know that the body is
Only a vehicle so once we have that understanding then whatever suffering we see outside ourselves is basically based on people’s sanskaras and also because of the script that they have pre-planned before they took birth well said I mean uh the the dream and the The Waking Life are nothing but two
Two different uh Dimensions or two different uh planes of uh small R reality right so the construct is different neither have any significance and it’s just that when you are in it like when you are right now talking to each other and on this call it uh there is a element of realness
There is a apparent realness maybe right if I can use that expression so there’s an apparent realness like we know how in the dream there is absolutely when you are in the dream you actually feel the pain pleasure all of that right so anyway ah good good point so we’ll go to
The next chapter um sure I have a small comment here maybe contextual I would like to bring it in uh this uh chapter uh as all other chapters will discourse are they timelined when this message was given I mean it’s it’s possible to get it uh it’s not done in discourses right
So if you go to the awakener magazine or the mahed Baba Journal where most of these were serialized that would be the timeline not necessarily that being final because even in the Mahal Baba journal and in awakener messages were given months I mean messages were published months after they were
Actually dictated by Baba so yes and no to your question but it’s a good area of research yeah because some contextual references are there and what’s going on yeah at that time would be will throw more light on why Baba said what he said yes yes okay the discourses were discussed between
Our dictated between 1938 to 1942 in the Maher Baba Journal and if anybody is interested can go to the online Papa to Mayor Baba Trust website they have the mayor Baba journals and if somebody can do the homework they can try to relate the chapters into sources and see when
Each chapter was published in the particular journal and we know that was World War Two Times you know okay so let’s get to the next chapter uh just keep these para para headings in mind as we go so we are doing life of the Spirit uh the essence is we will
Understand Karma Yoga we’ll understand matter being something which is a pliable instrument it’s firstly this subservient to uh uh spirit and it is in the hands of spirit a pliable instrument rituality requires subordination of matter not rejection so matter is something that is required but you have to subordinate it freedom of spirit
Express through dominion over matter again the the three paragraphs refer to the same thing that the spirit Spirit is above matter and spirit needs matter right spirituality is also all-encompassing so that covers the whole of life and body is not necessarily a hindrance to spiritual life and this is beautiful
Science art politics can serve spiritual needs Detachment does not mean indifference so it’s not insensitivity to what’s going on but it’s actually uh I mean Detachment is explained in that para we’ll see very soon two spiritualities comprehensive all-encompassing again Divine love is a creative and dynamic response to environment
Spiritual understanding is not born out of blind imitation so with that we can go and we can also rotate reading though who wants to go next mamaji Shiva who’s ready with their mics and are in a comfortable position to read okay I will read part of it
Okay life of the spirit please go ahead one pair after this oh yeah sure okay so when Mama decided to stop yeah after this yeah okay okay thank you Karma Yoga the true Karma Yoga that is a subtitled intro karma yoga or the life of Perfect action there is proper adjustment between the
Material and the spiritual aspects of life in this type of Life Consciousness is not fattered by mundane and Merit material things but at the same time it is not allowed to run away from everyday existence the mind is not allowed to be immersed in the material life of nine months Nori
Is it allowed to be merged in spiritual Bliss it is used to face and tackle the problems of life from the point of view of spiritual understanding proper adjustment uh matter as pliable instrument for expression of spirit proper adjustment between the material and the spiritual aspects of life is not
Secured by giving equal importance to them it is not secured by taking something from the material and something from the spiritual and then striking a balance between the two the spirit must and never will have an inviolable primary Over Matter Primacy or matter however the Primacy is not expressed by avoiding or rejecting
Matter but rather by using it as a adequate vehicle for the expression of the spirit in intelligent in intelligent adjustment matter has to play the role of a pliable instrument for the self-manifestation of the spirit and must not in any way become obstrusive in its own right
Just as a musical instrument is valuable only if it gives expression to the song of a musician and becomes a hindrance if it does not yield complete subservience matter is valuable if it gives free and adequate expression to the private creative flow of life and becomes an obstacle if it in interferes
With it spirituality requires subordination of matter not rejection going to the multifarious Cravings of the Mind matter has a tendency to assume importance for itself for the drunkard wine is everything for the greedy the folding of money is all important and for the flirt the chase of
Sensations in the Supreme end of life is the Supreme end of life These are examples of how through diverse Cravings of the Mind matter becomes unduly obtrusive and perverse the expression of the spirit the way to restore the Dignity of spirit is not to reject matter but to use it
For the claims of the spirit this is Possible only when the spirit is free from all cravings and is fully conscious of its own true status when this is achieved an individual may have material Goods but is not caught up in them when necessary he may use them as beans uh yeah okay
This is Possible only when the spirit is free from all cravings and is fully conscious of its own true status when this is achieved an individual may have material Goods but it but is not caught up in them when necessary he may use them as means for the life of the spirit
But he is not allowed by them not as he become Restless for them he realizes that in themselves they do not constitute the real significance of life she dwells in material and social environment without any hankering for them and being unattached is able to convert them into spiritual life
Freedom of spirit expressed through Dominion power matter domination more matter when one’s true adjustment between spirit and matter is secured there is no phase of light that cannot that cannot be utilized for the expression of divinity no longer is there any need to run away from everyday life and its standards
The freedom of the spirit that is sought by avoiding contact with the world and retiring to a cave or to the mountains is a negative freedom when such retirement is temporary and is meant to digest worldly experiences and develop Detachment it has its own advantages it gives breathing time in the race of
Life but when such a retirement is grounded in fear of the world or lack of confidence in the spirit it is far from helpful in attaining the real freedom the real freedom is essentially positive and must Express itself through unhampered Dominion of the spirit or matter this is the true
Life of the spirit spirituality covers the whole of life the life of spirit is the expression of infinity and as such knows no artificial limits true spirituality is not to be mistaken foreign exclusive enthusiasm for some fact it is not concerned with any ism when people seek spirituality apart from life
As if it had nothing to do with Material World their search is futile all creates and cults have tendency to emphasize some fragmentary aspect of life but true spirituality is total in its Outlook the essence of spirituality does not consist in a Specialized or narrow interest in some imagined part of life
But in a certain enlightened attitude to all the various situations that obtain in life it covers and includes the whole life all the material things of this world can be made subservient to the Divine game and when they are thus subordinated they become auxiliary to the self-affirmation of the spirit
Can you move up body not necessarily hindrance to spiritual life the value of material things depend upon the part they play in the life of the spirit in themselves they are neither good nor bad they become good or bad according to whether they help or hinder the manifestation of davidity through them
Take for example the place of the physical body in the life of the spirit it is a mistake to set up an antithesis between flesh and spirit such contrast almost inevitably insane and unqualified condemnation of the body the body obstructs spiritual fulfillment only if it is pampered as having claims
In its own right it is proper its proper function is rightly understood as ancillary to spiritual purposes the the rider needs a horse if he is to fight a battle though the horse can become an impediment if it refuses to be completely submissive to thee to his will
In the same way the spirit needs to be clothed in matter if it is to become if it if it is to come into full position of its own possibilities although the body can at times become a hindrance if it refuse us to be compliant with com requirements of the spirit
If the body aids to the claims of the spirit as it should it is instrumental in bringing down the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth it becomes a vehicle for the release of Divine Life and when it subserves this purpose it might actually be called the temple of God on Earth is
Any thoughts reactions because we’ve been reading any observations oh this is go ahead very uh very positive uh directions that Baba gives don’t condemn the material body it is a vehicle for the spiritual progress are the manifestation of the spirit or the self within can be achieved only
Through the material body so that we have to understand only the point that we need to keep it in mind is that we need to keep the body uh in its proper direction towards spiritual growth that is very well stressed here clear Clarity is given on that aspect
Extending them to comment on that as an extension not just that the uh the spirit is important the body is also important it just has a different place and a different place in the largest scheme of things right cover go ahead yeah I mean just to add like you know
It’s like uh you know food shelter clothing like in the self-actualization Pyramid of the maslows pyramid it’s clearly talks about the basic needs that uh what I understand is the consciousness of the Soul we understand the soul doesn’t change the soul Spirit self but what is happening is from The Big
Bang or the most original whim or the first initial urge of God who am I they are all drop Souls like the raindrops that came from the ocean we went through Evolution now we are going through reincarnation and hopefully involution maybe wailed so what we are seeing out here is that
The consciousness of the Soul needs the body the material body to liberate itself The Liberation can be as we know Mom or Nirvana samadhi whatever is written so definitely the material body needs to be taken care of and one of the ways I have done it you know my own experience
Is that yoga for the gross body and kriya yoga for the subtle body and the persona for the mental body by the way I did my fourth retreat in Joshua Tree National Park in California my first Retreat outside India my three Retreats were in India in sarnath in
2012 and there are doomed in 2013 and 2015 was dharamshala dharam quote that year my mother passed away and this year basically um my father passed away and I did vipassana without knowing it I just got to know about it later but my point is that the material sorry you know to keep
It in equilibrium so the way to keep the gross body subtle body material body uh it had helped me to like they say first the body is the Temple of the Soul so yoga is a very good way and then you go into the subtle body the breathing
You know you can do kriya yoga kundali yoga practice and then the mental part which is the most toughest basically because it deals with thoughts vipassana help me of course Different Strokes for different folks everybody should explore but the material body is important to be uh healthy otherwise the uh the
Consciousness of the soul is not uh you know it doesn’t facilitate its progress so that is why healthy body and mind is very important for the self to emancipate itself so the material body can’t live without the consciousness and Consciousness needs the material body to liberate itself on planet Earth
Oh that’s a lot of good stuff that you said there so yeah agreed so we just have a page and a little more I think so uh Shiva you want to take over now and read on till then is that okay with you Mama okay sure go ahead since the
Hence the physical body and other material things can be used for the life of the spirit true spirituality does not take any hostile attitude toward them but seeks expression in and through them thus a perfected person does not look down upon things of beauty or works of art attainments of science or
Achievements of politics thinks of Beauty can be degraded by being made objects of craving or jealous and exclusive possessiveness works of art can often be used to augment the exploit egoism and other human friend peace the subtitle here is science art politics cancer spiritual ends presuming the attainments of science can be used
For Mutual destruction as in modern Wars political enthusiasm without spiritual Insight can perpetuate social and international chaos but all these can also be rightly handled and spiritualized things of beauty can become the source of Purity happiness and inspiration works of art can Noble and raise the consciousness of
People the attainments of science can redeem Humanity from unnecessary suffering and handicaps political action can be instrumental in establishing a real Brotherhood of humanity the life of the spirit does not consist in turning away from worldly Spears of existence but in reclaiming them for the Divine Purpose which is to bring love
Peace happiness Beauty and spiritual Perfection within the reach of everyone Detachment does not mean indifference however those who would live the life of the spirit must remain detached in the midst of worldly things without being becoming cold or indifferent to them Detachment should not be misunderstood as lack of
Appreciation it is not only compatible with the true evaluation of things but in its very condition craving creates delusion and prevents right perception it nourishes obsessions and sustains the feeling of dependence upon external objects Detachment promotes right understanding and facilitates perception of the true worth of things without making Consciousness dependent upon
External objects to see things as they are is to grasp their real significance as parts of the manifestation of the one life and to see through the vein of their apparent multiplicity is to be free from the exist insistent Obsession for anything in its image imagined isolation or exclusiveness
The life of the spirit is to be found in comprehensiveness that is free from clinging and in appreciation that is free from entanglement it is a life of positive freedom in which the spirit infuses itself into matter and shines through it without submitting to any curtailment of its own claims
The things and the happenings of the worldly true spirituality is comprehensive the things and happenings of this Earthly existence are looked upon as extraneous only until they are angled in the advancing tide of comprehensive spirituality when one when once they find their right place in the scheme of Life each of them
Is seen to participate in the Symphony of creation then spirituality does not require a separate or exclusive expression it does not become degrade degraded by being concerned with the ordinary physical intellectual and emotional needs of people the life of the spirit is a unified and integral existence that does
Not admit of exclusive or unrelated compartments please Divine love a creative and dynamic response to environment the life of the spirit is an unfeasing manifestation of divine love and spiritual understanding and both these aspects of divinity are unrestricted in their universality and unchallengeable in their inclusiveness thus Divine love does not require any
Special type of context for making itself felt it may not waste some rare moments for its expression nor is it on the lookout for somber situations that Savor the Savor of special sanctity it discovers its expression in every incident and situation that may be passed over by an enlightened
Unenlightened person as two significant to deserve attention everything is of spiritual importance okay yes ordinary human love is released only under suitable conditions it is a response to certain types of situations and is relative to them but Divine love which Springs from The Source within is independent of stimuli it is released
Therefore even in circumstances that would be looked upon as unfavorable by those who have tasted only human love if there is a lack of happiness or beauty or goodness in those by whom a perfect Master is surrounded these very Things become for him the opportunity to shower his Divine love on
Them and to redeem them from the state of material or spiritual poverty his everyday responses to his worldly environment become expressions of dynamic and creative Divinity which spreads itself and spiritualizes everything he puts his mind to spiritual understanding not born of blind imitation spiritual understanding which is the complementary aspect of the
Life of the spirit must be disinguished from worldly wisdom which is the quintessence of the conventions of the world spiritual wisdom does not consist in unquestioning acceptance of the ways of the world the ways of the world are almost always the collective effect of the actions of materially inclined peoples only people consider
Something to be right and make it right for persons of spiritual similar inclination therefore the blind following of conventions does not necessarily secure voice action the life of the spirit cannot be a life of uncritical limited imitation it must have its basis in the true understanding of values
Okay so adjustment values I just are big takeaway Words which we will see again and again like uh even when I when we last I read this I was mentioning okay so we are out of time spiritual poverty it’s isn’t it very interesting yeah could you read could you please read
That line again trying to find that okay I’ll read later yeah yeah no oh yeah okay I I found it yeah here it is here it is yes yeah yeah but please go ahead yeah yeah go ahead dude if there is lack of happiness or beauty
Or goodness in those by whom a perfect Master is surrounded these very Things become for him the opportunity to shower his Divine love on them and to redeem them from the state of material or spiritual poverty I think this becomes the definition of divine love itself it’s out of pure kindness and
So the he he gives you and fulfills your spiritual poverty basically that’s what it’s a beautiful term actually we we think our poverty like babajan yeah so we are trying to fulfill you know redeem ourselves of our own poverty spiritual poverty by reading books and going to Baba visiting samadhi so we are
All poor in that sense actually it’s various degrees whatever we we are definitely blessed in that sense we are we have been given so much I mean all of us are here just like thanks yeah go ahead Matthew it’s all right fine thank you bye-bye
Thank you go ahead go ahead no this is this is they have so much to give and so much to share and to make you rich as a spiritual person you know they have this capacity uh but still if you look at them or their appearance it’s all looks very uh
Nothing there is nothing much around them so yeah it’s too deep it’s too deep to understand I’m fine thank you uh I mean with respect to spirituality it’s like uh see always it is our acceptance and our alignment that fulfills us not it’s just our limitation that is preventing
Yes yes yes yes yes yes your sanskaras yeah that leads us to us that there are actions we need to take to redeem ourselves from spiritual poverty and satguru or Baba is there to help us you know it’s also our effort yeah our move our recognition of the nature of
True Values and then from there go to receiving the grace to move from spiritual poverty yeah yes that’s why it is told that Grace is always there but whether we are able to receive it whether the subtitle in US is able to get it or take it be open to it and then
Receive it yeah yeah the ceiling is broken or the umbrella is removed yeah yeah in that sense yeah I I would like to add one thing that I that that gave me a lot of uh Insight it is not just doing what is necessary it is also
Avoiding what must not be done so it is both ways so to be more receptive and also to uh come down on the resistance part so both ways right right absolutely okay so if we don’t have any more thoughts we’ll wrap up uh and uh I will stop recording in a minute uh
Mahu good to see you you’re late I guess uh in fact I was on another
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