# ep 7 – Israel – Palestine War History explained – Podcast

Hello friends there are black Jews living in Africa there are also Indian Jews and also Iranian Jews Iran in fact holds the most number of Jews among all the Arabic Nation but still it is helping hasah to wage a war against Israel Judaism and Islam holds the same

Origin Moses who is considered as a prophet in Judaism is also considered a prophet a messenger in Islam he has been mentioned 43 times in Quran but still the whole Arabic world is against the establishment and prosperity of Israel these are deeper question which needs deeper analysis we have brought a

Podcast along with our guest Kelvin who is a PhD student in jnu who is specialization in the West Asian Affair especially the Israel Palestine issue let’s dellve deep into this issue and try to know its origin I hope you will enjoy this podcast with us thank you very much hi

Calvin how are you I’m very happy to sit in this state sit in this venue so myself I’m Kelvin beny okay I have done my masters from jnu okay international relations and area studies okay and after that currently I am pursuing my PhD in jnu in Center for westation

Studies westation it will include the Israel Palestine issue as well of course the heart of West yes and that’s what we are here for and uh this Israel Palestine issue let’s just directly jump onto the topic what is this all about is it is it all about a peace of land or

This is a religious war or this is all about Jerusalem what is the basis the core of this issue when we start exploring into the core of the issue it have multiple levels as you said one issue is of land land means as we know for a state it

Need a fixed territory it have a population so land is an issue and the land which you are speaking of it’s like a prime real estate in gura in the sense it is very much claimed mhm for the three main Global religions starting from Judaism Christianity and Islam okay this region

Is holy land holy land holy land especially say Jerusalem the city of Jerusalem so when we discuss the Israel Palestine issue it is multiple level okay as of territory Jerusalem and we will come into each of the intricacies as we progress our discussion H sure so start

Just jump into it just tell me what from where the the issue started and uh why did all all all this thing begin the fightings and hullah and Hamas and from where these things originated because as we know centuries back there were only normal regular people living

On that land and then they were forming political groups those political groups turned into terrorist groups and now we can see a war coming up it’s it’s going on from 7th of October there was a major attack so how these regular people turned into terrorists it is actually the definition

Of the term caught uncaught terrorist it is a very political term okay because somebody’s terrorist is another guy’s Freedom Fighter I will say example I’m from Kerala okay I visited Tam many places they respect prakar for many people in Tamil Nadu I’m not blaming it is emotional he’s a

Freedom fighter who fought against sinhala Tyran in Sri Lanka when you look at s Sri Lankan perspective he’s a terrorist yeah so when the global media use the term terrorist militant we must go into the intricacy because in this region nothing is black and white it is more different Shades of

Gray okay so it’s it’s how bhat Singh was a freedom fighter for us but for britishers he was a terrorist of course I mean bhat Singh as a person but every movement or every person including you and me or any movement or any country it

Will be judged by the action it it do if you are claiming yourself a democracy and you are attacking innocent people then definitely history is going to judge you in a negative manner if you are self- proclaiming your religious movement Islamic movement and you do you kill many innocent people

Actually Islam prohibit killing innocence so it is UN Islamic so when we uh judge both Israel as well as Hamas we must refer to the scale which they are they themsel recognize so when we speak about the current issue because generally the interest of the people whether the

Masses it depends upon what they see in the media just one week ago Ukraine was the Hot Potato long yes conflicts are across the world you don’t need to go to Ukraine go to our Myanmar what happening in Afghanistan what happening if you go somewhere you can what happening in Zan

What’s happening in Manipur in Congo many things M so the conflicts come and go in persist but what media attention currently the media attention is is this in Israel Palestine issue and the current set of Events St in 7 October suddenly I will compare it with a Hamas

Breach Creek to the Israeli areas to the Israeli territory and Israel having a one of the strongest army one of the topn intelligence mazad and one of the sophisticated weapons get suddenly what we tell challenged by a rack attack not rack attack but a very little miltia so everybody was actually

Everybody was surprised was Israel the image of invincibility got shattered for some time so that’s why this issue came in headline so what I will say is that this issue is mere symptom it’s like fever many Physicians say SE is merely a symptom the disease is actually it’s in

The root yeah so what’s the what’s the disease here this is here when we speak about the disease per se it’s actually after the colonial period okay the establishment of Israel as a Homeland for Jews and at the same time there was demand for the Homeland for Arabs the

Palestine so these two nationalism one side we can say sism sism means Homeland for Jews in Jewish uh Jewish history seon the termon is refers to the land given by Jews by God okay it is a promised land for this is actually the basic of conflict is between sanism and Arab

Nationalism or the rights of the indigenous Arab people H so when we start looking history it is very complicated actually because if I mind for just 80 years uh the Palestinian Arabs were in is here then the occupation was by Israel before that I mind some more in 1917 the

Occupation was by British when I mind some more in 1516 the occupation by by ottoman Turkish when I mind some more the occupation was in 637 by galif umar’s Arab Army so when we start looking the term occupation it is very great cuz you can put the timeline which

Occupation which occupation you must look the term occupation so when we discuss the issue I mean this issue is very intricate because and these occupations were motivated by religious regon or they were just motivated by political reasons actually when you look the geography of the region the place where Israel lies

It is in the past of Eastern Mediterranean M generally this region is very fertile okay it’s very fertile region the leant region Israel Syria Palestine across the history when you look the 5,000 years of History this place where is actually what we running ground for all invading Army whether it is the ancient

Babylonians or ancient Iranians parthians aians or the what we tell every invading Army to has a ground so this place have view many invasions I mean historically so as we speak about the invasions actually there were Jewish people staying in this region it was 2,000 years ago Jews were established

There they had their own kingdom that time I’m mentioning there were a lot of invasions like Babylonian Invasion Assyrian Invasion Greek Invasion it was the Roman invasion in 70 AD it was a very what we tell turning point where Jews were killed and M almost lcks of Jews were killed that

Time Jews were dispersed across the globe so you understand something here religion don’t play that much Ro that time 70 AD Roman Empire was Pagan it was not even Christian Christianity was a very small SE that time in 70 AD Roman EMP only got christianized after 3 12

After the Constantine King so that time Romans were pagans when you look the political religious policy of Romans actually Romans were very secular secular in sense that they were very tolerating Roman religion was actually polytheistic but Jews when you look Jews are very monotheistic people abrahamic religions whether Judaism Christianity

Or Islam they are monotheistic strictly there is one God so when people in the Eastern civilization like Buddhism taoism Hinduism when you look into that you must understand that we must understand that this abrahamic religious philosophy is very strict it is single God yes so for Romans Jews

Were like a rebel group Rebel people so they just smashed it actually is not justification of Roman atrocities Romans actually destroyed the Jewish temple there was a Jewish temple there it was a second temple first temple was built it was destroyed by Assyrians okay Assyrians or Babylonians exactly I don’t remember exactly there

Bonian originating from Iraq Iraq the current Iraq Iraq was also a civilization during our Mesopotamia sorry during our Indus Valley they had Mesopotamia yes the Contemporary civilizations contemporary civilizations so the Romans smashed the area that time from that 2,000 years ago Jews what we tell ceased existing as a United

Community they became a diaspora okay Exile started Exile started okay Jews were exciled across the world myself I’m saying we Indians have a good uh tradition Jews were very well welcomed whether by Hindu Kings in Kerala or Karnataka there are still inscriptions where Kings welcome the Jewish Merchants granting them all

Religious civil rights they were existing there Jews went to some Jews went to the parts of turkey which was called Asia Minor some went to Europe some went to parts of Africa so they were scattered in that period so it was actually not a Jewish Christian or a

Jewish Muslim conflict that time it was a Jewish Roman conflict it was a Jewish Roman conflict Roman conflict that time but when we progress after 200 years almost the Roman Empire got christianized in 32 the Christianity was tolerated gradually Christianity appropriated the Roman culture and it become the so religion of Roman

Empire so when we speak about Christian Jewish relations it was very bad let me put in Frank let me put in Frank it is very bad okay anti-Semitism existed Christianity mainly in Europe no you’re saying it bad uh why is that why is that because it was when you look the 2,000

Years of History this Jewish history is not of 70 years Jewish history is not Israeli history Israeli history is a Jewish history but Jewish history is not Israeli history alone yes when you look the Christian Emperors generally persecuted Jews in a very cruel manner what was the reason behind it reason

Behind time some Christians believe that it was Jews who crucified Jesus Christ okay in the Holy Land of Jerusalem jerus and where he started uh preaching yeah and uh then he came to life again and that also happened in Jerusalem Jerusalem so Jerusalem is I’m telling

First of all it is very important for Jewish people because the Temple of Solomon existed there I’m cting our professor PR Kumar Swami he uh working in the field for 40 years that means more than my age his experience is more than my age my and your age yeah so

He is he’s strictly saying that there there is there is parts of Jewish temple there but it was destroyed by not Muslims was disol by Romans okay as the Christianity spread through the Roman Empire then later an entity called Eastern Roman Empire arrived M or bantine Empire bantine yes they were

Also not so friendly towards Jews H it was actually Persians who saved Jews Persians okay Persians and this Romans were fighting so much in the region so Persians during Persian period Jews were better tolerated then after 632 come the rise of Islam so when you look the contemporary

History that time some academic big academics have opin that it was the Islam or Arabic Arabs who saved Jews actually that time that time it was Arabs who saved Jews because when you look both Islam and Christianity uh Judaism basically the premise of I’m telling the I’m going into the religious

Philosophy Judaism it’s uh it is based on Abraham a person called Abraham he got the gods invitation you are the chosen people your children and grandchildren you are the chosen people so it is said that Abraham have a wife Sarah and have a concubine ha so you

Know this uh what we tell this monogamy is a modern construct I’m not justifying or opposing that time people have one wife then many concubines so Abraham didn’t have a son with Sarah then he took a concubine named hagga first Hagar gave birth to a son his name was Ismael

Is is then later Sarah gave birth to a son his name was isahak okay so why I am saying this family history because this is family issue if you speak theologically actually it is the followers of isak who are Jews okay it is the followers of later

The descendants of Ismael who were Arabs and Muslims So theologically speaking they are brotherly religions okay and both Jew Jews and mus Muslims have much similarity you can observe Christianity as a religion Christianity take the local uh culture the Christianity in India is much influenced by Hindu traditions and all

Christianity in Europe is influenced by Pagan their Traditions Christianity in Japan you can see Japanese Christ with this type must but Islam and Judaism when you look they have much similarity you look the circumcision ceremony circumcision that removal of of the forkin of penis both Jews and

Muslims follow it yes both Muslims and Jews have certain restrictions in food in Islam it is Hal Haram Halal religiously clean similarly Jews also have koser they only have Kosher meat yes both despise this pork yes so their theological similari is very much for Muslims the last prophet is Prophet

Muhammad M for Christians the last prophet is Jesus Christ for them the last prophet Jesus Christ for Jews the last prophet has not yet arrived okay so this is the basic difference between the three religions basic I’m not a theology expert but it is generally speaking it is a basic philosophy

Okay and and when did this uh you were saying they were saved by the Arabs actually they were saved by the Muslims and the Persians why did Muslims became their enemy and they became Muslim enemy it is actually big question because when you look the uh city of Jerusalem itself and

The part of Israel in 637 this region come under galif Umar G after Prophet Muhammad so they it come under the political control of Islam in Islam the there’s a concept uh first of all we must understand the model concept you and me are equal every listener is equal

Despite our religion cast difference yes we have a concept called Liberty equality fraternity when did it arrive during French Revolution every society was having its own inequality every society yes whether it is cast system in India you can see similar system in Europe cast system the white black issue Ral issue similarly in

Islamic countries when you look actually system is that Islam is the Supreme religion so other religions like Christianity and Judaism is tolerated for Muslims they actually these two people have got partial revalation of God because Muslims recognize both Abraham as well as Jesus as Prophet they call itbi Nabi means

Prophet Nai for Jesus Christ is ISO for Muslims it is ISA so this history is very similar what Christians and Jews course called Abraham they called ibraim ibraim what Christians and Muslims Called Moses they called M so there is a similarity in the religion so in Islam

The thing is that you are not treated as equal in that context I mean 1,400 years ago that was a revolution okay cuz that time either you follow us Oram that was know m h that was a tradition that was a tradition that time Prophet give much right to

Jews the security means security for their property security for their wives security for their business and you’re talking about Prophet Muhammad prophet Muhammad itself he was actually he was apart from prophet he did many roles like a military commander he was a constitution wror he wrote a

Constitution in meca so from there he tolerated the Jews so the when we look the gips they followed prophet and generally Jews are protected but protected means it’s a status called thei okay it is not equality take it it is not equality it is protection it is

Like I’m patronizing you you are not equal to me you are patronized so the dii status has historically it have different interpretation I will say 1,400 years ago that status as a revolution and Zim Zim you are saying so Zim in India also people were called zimi during perod which were texed and

While they were going to the Jia yeah Jia Jia was the tax which was imposed on them yeah of course let me yeah I will continue the thing is that I’m telling in, 1400 years ago that time there was no concept of human equality that time the protection was a great

Revolution understood even I will say this is not bringing comparing apple and orange car system when it originated it was a social organization when it originated I’m not justifying C atrocities later it got rigid and very worst now it is a big evil so in Islam that time they actually protected both

The Christians and Jews but you know after the French Revolution the concept is now Liberty equality fraternity so in modern context we can say we can’t say it as a great thing but in that time it was a great protection so under the Muslim calips Jews were better protected they were not

Allowed to be molested or killed so when you look the history of that region after 637 it was under galipat under Islamic rle first it was AB sorry Rashid galif later it was um galif umay galif was based on Damascus Cur so it was a part of um galif okay

Later it was part of abas galif it was based on bdad this was a period it was called Islamic Golden Age golden age in the sense that time when you look Bagdad it was like K massachus or Harvard okay Muslims were so brilliant in technology and that time

That civilization was very great Indian number system our number system were taken by Arabs to Europe that’s why called it is called Hindu Arabic numerals Hindu Arabic Hindu Arabic numerals because it is basically the algebra geometry originate from India India is also civilizational state so Arabs were so much interested in that

They started universities and all we also had before that tasila nant so that time the that area was very actually everybody will like to live later when you look after 1200s this abass galifi got weakened and Mongols invaded okay and before that in 1095 there was a conflict between

Muslims and Christians it was called Crusades it was sanctioned by pop religious war that religious wars it was Wars basically from Western Europe mainly Catholics Roman Catholics they invaded the region many times as far my memory there were seven Crusades okay they captured Jerusalem and and this was they were

Doing it uh for the holy land of Jerusalem it is actually religious as well as politic political everything is there yeah when you can only appreciate the Islamic treatment of Jews when you see how European Christians treated them when the Crusaders arrived it is uh some witness right that in the Jerusalem up

To the what we tell our KN it was blood W they masser the Jews let me put it Frank they Massac the Jews they were very much what we tell very much persecuting Jews and this was Christians doing it Christians was the Romans who were christianized were doing this it

Was not Romans that time it was actually from Western europ person okay like it will the Crusaders consist of British English French okay Norwegians because like a multinational for that time okay not only Romans not only Romans it was like a western Europeans Germans Frank okay so they actually persecuted Jews the

Worst then later in 1187 there is a Kurdish Commander called Salah he captured Jerusalem okay he captured Jerusalem and later after it again came under Muslim contr so when you look from the 637 to 1980 this region was under Muslim rule except some 100 200 years under the

Crusader rule so now you can understand this the conflict is not new yes as far as I have read Jerusalem as a city have witnessed 21 sieges 21 sieges okay and one author compared it with a very golden plate golden uh bow filled with scorpions H so after the uh

1187 it again come under mamluks mamluks were Muslim rulers so they salahudin salahudin despite that time westerners were viewing Islam with enmity he was even respected by westerners so you can understand he was a very noble man in his behavior then later this mamalu dynasty endered in 1560 this area came under Ottoman

Empire from 1516 to roughly 400 years 1970 this area was ruled by otoman Empire and when you look otoman Empire they were also tolerating Jews I’m saying it is not equality this Dei have a second class citizen status also so never equate to equality the current conduct because giving protection

Protection because we can’t apply the current feminist Norms two century ago understood yes just look I’m telling values will change over time I’m just telling example now we have poxoc if you apply poxes 5 six generation ago every one of our grandfather will be poxo criminals so understand value is changing

H so I’m saying dii was a very protection status 1,400 years ago so the Ottomans followed it because Ottomans also they were very protective towards Jews when you look when uh Christians captured Spain Spain was under Muslim rule for 700 years in 1492 they captured Spain recaptured Spain that time Jews were so

Much persecuted where did they went they went to Ottoman Empire so in otoman Empire have a system called Millet you can have the youron communal autonomy they were protected so this is the general tendency if you look the last 1400 years while in Europe when you look Europe Jews were so much persecuted

Persecuted in sense they were scap GED if some plague happen then they will say Jews did something bad they will be killed they were pams p s involved burning Jewish houses killing Jewish people raping Jewish women they were occasional programs so the Jewish persecution was actually space and time

Whether you are in Russia are you in Poland are you in France under the Christianity and Christianity was the doctrine Jews were so much persecuted they were burned alive and you understand it have papal recognition pop said that time do that only in 1964 what can uh what we tell butan

Uh as sorry I’m not getting that ter sorry I’m they actually apologized exactly what can apologize so in that time generally Jews were persecuted in Europe but they were better and safe in the Islamic World there are I agree there are very occasional cases of uh problems across

Islamic world but you can compare it with the European antisemitism just so huge yes I’ve also heard Adolf Hitler saying that the Titanic sank because of Jews actually Jew and and the reason he gave because the ice were the the that ice shelf which it hit was named after a Jew

So that’s I don’t know whether the story is true or not but um as you’re saying this this happened till 1980 you said this or 980 till what time which one uh the protection of Jews by Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire until 1918 Ottoman Empire was controlling the region the region of

Current Israel and Palestine Palestine from 1918 to 1945 or 47 when the Jews from 19 exactly 1917 I mean that 1918 sorry to 48 it was actually British period it was the British period British were the one who were controlling that region yeah before actually discussing British

Period I will discuss what happened to Jews in the 19th century in Europe you know Christianity was guiding Europe I mean the religion and politics was so much mixed up Christianity got a jolt after French Revolution you can see there was a very anti-clericalism there was a wave of secularization after the French

Revolution it was only after 18 19th century Jews were able to progress okay until that time they were discriminated in in Europe they lived in their own places called ghetto ghettos ghettos and they were only allowed to do certain professions like lending money medicine so like a car system they got

Experts in that after the French Revolution Jews got much freedom and when you look the uh Jews Jews grow in wealth and power after French Revolution you can see Napoleon was a ruler who granted them much Freedom after the French Revolution you can see a rise of Jews they established

Universities they established Banks so they grow in political influence by they were controlling many they started controlling many business like banking they excelled in science now even you can look in the list of Nobel winners M Jews are only one or 2% in the world Humanity but at least I think 30

To 40% are Jewish so they have a good tradition of Education in Israel my professor said every home you can see a mini library in every home you in every home you see many Li so after 19th century they focused on education so they began to climb up the

Social ladder okay but you must understand something despite that there were progress in Europe still they were persecuted still there were uh persecution of Jews in uh Russian Empire and one important case happened during this time it was in France CU why I am saying France France is a country which

Contributed the idea of Liberty equality fraternity France actually gave much freedom for Jews in 1871 there was a Franco German war m in that war France was defeated there was a French military officer named Alfred draus okay he was a Jew so after the defeat many people

Accused that this dfus was the person who did the treason he was actually he was put under jail but later the reality came it was not D who did that but the anti-semitism so much V that everybody scaped him you can I mean the viewers can can also

Google search I have seen in Europe certain churches they have engraved that judan SW Jewish pig have drawn pig saying judan Jews so the anti-Semitism was so rul so that many Jewish leaders understood that despite how much we are assimilating many Jews were assimilating French Jews were becoming more French

German Jews were becoming more German British Jews were becoming more British how much we assimilate still we are untouchable when the something things come so we need our own nation state okay this is the place where idea called seism arised it was by a person called Theodor

H he wrote a book its name was the judan stat the Jewish State the Jewish state it was in 1898 I remember there was a sinist Congress that time we can see Jews across the world began to unite and uh as you are saying the idea

Of a state and a land it was since initial times since the book was written it was only the reason it was always the reason uh where the Israel state is present now or they wanted a state somewhere else yeah that’s a good question that’s a interesting history we will go into

That MH actually one of the thing which United Jews whether you are a Russian Jew you are a German Jew polish jew or you are a what we tell you are a British Jew or an Indian Jew Indian Jew India I will say exception because time and

Space time and space you are persecuted imagine a Hindu who is persecuted in Pakistan if he comes to India he’s safe or if he go to any place he’s safe space is a no issue Nepal Bhutan he’s safe he’s safe I mean safe or if you are actually time as time passes the

Atrocities reduce but when you look Jews they were persecuted across time and space so they are they were victimized when a community is so much victimized automatically A brotherhood will grow yeah sure so Jews began to unite and there was a sinus Congress H sinist conference its meeting was in

Switzerland basil h MH So within the Jews when we look within the Jews World Jewish community that time European Jews were very modernized because what all Europe witnessed Rena Reformation Industrial Revolution Jews were influenced Jews were the part of Jews were the part of it and leading exceled banking medicine many Sciences

Education so they were very much when you look the Jewish people itself you must understand European Jews are called askanazi Jews askani don’t Mis understand it has nothing to do with Nazi askanazi Jews Jews from Russia Poland you can see them they are very white in complexion their hairs are

Blonde or very red color but Jews who lived in Islamic country they’re called Safar like Iraq Iran or also other part uh like Morocco misim these Jews were backward because this region were backward because as Europe progress this region couldn’t catch up so when you look the Jews

Itself they are very diverse ethnically as can ASI Jews from the Western Europe or the Europe safarin Jewish Community as well as misrahi Jewish community in other parts in India from India there were Jews there were a vibrant Jewish community in Kerala in Maharashtra I remember it is Ben Israel

If I am remembering correct G so when you look inside Jews itself two concepts arve two different arguments one section of Jews who are very Orthodox says that we are not the person who must establish Israel okay it must be established by messiah messiah means God must come M so how far will

You wait for M some other Jews were secular they told for Jews as a people to follow their religion to follow without persecution we need our own State that’s where sanism arised so they started discussing different proposals different areas were actually ear Mark for Jewish settlement one was East Africa

Uganda one was Argentina in Patagonia one was I feeli in parts of Tasmania so Jews were planning to establish a Israel or a Homeland across different part whether it is East Africa Latin America different suggestions there but then here also come one thing sometime a Russian Jew may be very

Unwilling why should I go to Latin America what link I have it is only a piece of real estate or American je will feel why should I go to uh East Africa that Forest why should I but the place of Israel the current Israel Palestine it have emotional link because it was

The place where your ancestors were thrown out ironically it was not by Muslims or Arabs it was by Romans let’s absolve Muslims in that issue I mean Arabs in that issue that time it was not Arabs so the place of the current the holy land that actually created much resonance

Across the Jews whether you are a German Jew Russian Jew polish jew so later that region specifically was selected for settlement okay so till 1918 you said in 1800s this book was written until 1918 It Was Written in exactly 1898 1898 J stat yeah so till 1918 till the otoman

Empire was there we do not see any disturbing history between Muslims and uh Jews how did this table turned how Muslims became enemy this is a long answer I will elaborate into that when Jews selected the current parts of Palestine and Israel they decided we must have there but that time

OT Sultan was not ready okay he told we can accept some but not independent state because otan sulan told it is Holy for Muslims also my ancestors shed blood for that I can’t sell it even that time Jewish organizations offered Ottoman Empire and offer we will pay 25% of the dept of Automan

Empire give us that but he didn’t did so because for him it is theologically important so Jews actually then started settling settling means it is called Aliyah it is a immigration they started immigrating to the part of hly land that means the current part of Israel and palestin that time Jewish population was

1% to 4% they started immigrate so across the world they form group like Jewish agency Jewish fund so they will fund for you Jews started immigrating to the region of the current Israel Palestine so immigration started that time it was under Ottoman Empire so Ottoman Empire put some restrictions on

How many Jews can come because for Ottoman Empire this region Supreme is Islam I agree they tolerate Muslims they tolerate Jews but not as equal not as equal to Muslims in otoman Empire Muslims are the first class citizens so during 1900s you look the world is very

Tumultous that time you can see Jews form political Lobby they become very influential across very European countries so that time Jewish Jewish people were politically lobbying across different places they were lobbying with the British they were lobbying with the German Empire they were lobbying with French Empire they were even lobbying

With Ottoman Empire okay they were lobbying across the big turn come after the first world war H during the first world war certain books says that sist organizations were also active in uh Jerusalem sorry Germany M so that time in 1914 you can see how the war happens

Germany and Austria Hungary and later the Ottoman Empire Jo other side it was Russia France British so when you look the British Empire of that time now United Kingdom say something oh go it is a very minimal entity now of course I respect their economy everything but they are not something so

Great but that time it was the Empire where Sun never sets yes that time British Empire was like something near to God so in the first world war when you look what British Empire British Empire same was to take over the place I mean to defeat otoman Empire so here

Comes the big history on one side Jewish agencies were lobbying Britain Germany Ottoman Empire and as you see the war progressed after 19167 it is sure that Ottoman Empire is going on the lossing side so nobody will Lobby on the lossing side like no girl will accept a losser

It’s practical it’s real politic otoman was on the losing side so that time Britain was a great power a great power can’t be delama real politic like chak yes chanaka is a strategist not a philanthropist person when you are in a great power position you can’t be a philanthropist so Britain that time

Played a big game here the game comes the current part of Israel and Palestine that time demography was it was 80% above it was Arabs Arabs consist of majority Muslim Arabs as well as Christian Arabs the war is progressing that time there was a person called Sharif Hussein of

Mecca he was based on mea mea the Islamic Poli City so you are fighting otoman Empire Ottoman Empire is a nominal khif so to fight against a khif we need some person who have relation with Islam and Sharif husin was related to prophet’s unle family prophet’s unle name was

Hashim his family is called hashimite family M so if in Islam ideally Islam speaks about equality in pure Islam everybody’s equal but practical case you know inequality comes so the persons who have Prophet linkage they have a respect in Islamic Society so British actually supported Arabs Arabs were ready for a revolt

Against whom against Ottoman Empire against Ottoman Empire British gave this region this Israel Palestine Syria Jordan Lebanon this entire region British give three different promise to three different people H three different promise to three different people first was towards Arabs okay the person who did that was MC

Mahan who is McMahan as an Indian who is McMahan the lion which was drawn the McAn line the person who draw India China border border line and still it is thrown in our side m same person deal here he dealt with Sharif Hussein and they send almost 10 or 11 letters he

Offered that Sharif Hussein and your Arab Army you stand with us you stand with British in the first world war you rebel against aan Empire after the first world war we will offer you a Arab state but the exact boundary of Arab state is subjected to various interpretation some Scholars say that

British were excluding this region Israel Palestine region some scholar says that they were including the entire region so you have given offer for Arabs number one when you look the politics of Britain in Britain that time there was a scientist he was a Jew his name was chames wman he invented

Aseton aseton was very important for the war ofs for explosives and all okay so that played a big role in the success of Britain so that time asked they asked what you want they expected all some py he told my people want a Homeland MH so that time British offered that time Jewish

Lobby were very strong in Britain British official Sir Arthur balfer issued a declaration it’s called Baler declaration okay it was exact date is November 2 1970 that time the region was not under BR war was going on still the place is Automan okay still the place is Automan

Was but it comes up with a declaration declaration in that Britain is offering that you every reader I suggest every viewer must download that you must read that we offer a Jewish homeland to a place which is not ours it is like I’m taking your iPhone and

Giving to that person it’s yours yes we are giving a Jewish homeland for Jews and the non-jewish people will have civil and religious rights what about political rights it is my political rights and citizenship which is making me Indian for you so the B for Declaration was so what we tell

Brilliantly or cunningly word h British Empire will strive for a Homeland for Jewish people in this region in this region but not mentioning the political rights only the but not political rights for the people living there okay it is a different case actually it is like that region is Arab

Majority yes I’m telling example this is don’t don’t take it negatively it is like Jews are very know practically very less it’s like declaring India a Jew rashtra Jews were actually maximum one or four person that time in Arab in the region so we will create a Homeland for

Jews and you will be the first class citizens and the people who are living there it include Muslims as well as Christians actually this problem is more ethnic also there were also Christians who were displaced by isra but now it is taking a religious strong so that no was

That thing was written and it came Britain will strive for the Jewish h then the war continue in 1918 otoman Empire got defeated in the region it was British general Alan B who marched the otoman Empire who marched to the region when you look history was

Almost 800 years after 700 or 800 years after a Christian General is marching here before it was Crusader in thousands so I mean it is not about religion actually because when you look uh the Ottomans were Muslims their alies were Austria Hungary there were Catholics Germany there were Protestants British was Protestant

French were catholic and Arabs were Muslims so it is actually more about political interest this came under British so the region come from otoman to British so the same place you are giving two off H now the third offer comes it is between British and French they are the winning parties

First world war ended otoman Empire defeated and disintegrated Turks left Turks left they have their own problem in their home in Turkey now they can’t defend this region so British were offering Arab Homeland for uh this uh Sharin they were saying something to Jews now they have a secret deal with

French it’s called Sy spot agreement just between two officials British official and French official French official then they they draw some map the uh viewers can just look the map of Jordan you can see straight line it was drawn by these two officials they don’t have any ground knowledge about

The religious ethnic composition there then the British and French decided that we will share it okay it is our booty we will share it so thus the part of Syria Lebanon came under France French rule persisted up to 19445 the the region of Jordan Israel Iraq came under British British and some

Places was to be an international song including Jerusalem so same place three offers three claimants it’s very complicated so now instead of getting Arab Independence so here also we must read the interpretation then this region was ruled by mandate system mandate system came after first world war it is based on a racial

Assumption that the Asians are not capable of self-governance they must be ruled by or Guided by Europeans so this Syria Etc became under French and this part of Jordan and Israel and Palestine came under British mandate so entire region was British mandate actually Jordan or trans Jordan Israel Palestine in

1922 Jordan was some more they they were actually dissed from this they was treated as separate mandate there comes Emirate of trans Jordan so you will be remembering I said about Sharif Hussein yes Sharif Hussein stood with British in first world war of course there is a British officer called

TE Lawrence who played a big role the Lawrence of Arabia Lawrence of Arabia yeah she played a big part so after this war you know Arabs are practically cheated in the peace conference also they were cheated but they were given some what we tell consolation price Shar Hussein have three son one

Son is mentally incapable one son two sons are there one is fisel he was given Iraq a state called Iraq was constructed and given to him okay another son was h i remember he was given trans Jordan trans Jordan so for certain sist view that certain sist Viewpoint says that it

Was British mandate for Jews I’m telling scien point of view I told Arab point of view certain scientist I have understood from Israel caricatures and Israeli political chat rooms they’re saying that the Israel Palestine and Jordan were British mandate M so Jordan was created it was for

Arabs so the entire isra and Palestine is for us yes so this is discussion certain political wing of Israel they view that as a cheating oh from mandate the Jordan was taken it is for Arabs they VI so it is not about right or wrong they so Jordan was separated then the Mandate

Of Israel and Palestine I mean that was a United part then here comes the big change as I saw told now it is British mandate more Jews began to come here comes the issue between Jews and Arabs okay when you say actually both side have their own justification we

Can’t blame any side actually I will tell Jews actually purchased the land many land they purchased actually Jews have very they were very rich they purchased much land from the Arabs M but that time when you look the political economy and the land structure in the region it was like absente

Landlord Arabs majority were uneducated they were called Fahim they were uneducated on knowing nothing actually Arabs have overloads it may be Arab or other landlord they sold the land to Jewish people so it is not that Jews took all Land by force they put the money it’s a

Reality they brought it but many Arab specials were not knowing because they were not their land it was Sol by landlord so both side have their own justification it is Jews they paid the money exactly they paid the money it is house but Arabs were also very literate

That time they don’t know their land was sold by their landlord so gradually Jews start settling then Here Comes other I told about Aliyah Jewish political settlement then Jews start establishing kibuts kibuts means their own self- sustaining Villages the political economy of kibuts is such a way that in kibuts only Jews

Can get a job okay is like w property of Muslims as far I know W property of Muslims is for Muslims for Muslims or like Temple property of Hindus it is to be for Hindus Hindus yeah so like that they brought for them so when they started they brought good Technologies like

Irrigation so they started developing the land they started developing the land so the thing is that their economic policies were very exclusive Arabs were not taken the local Arabs are not getting jobs so the assignment start to and when you look the political condition of Europe after 1920s you will understand the real

Picture uh What happened in Europe in 1933 Hitler came to power f g to power ha Hitler after many years entire Europe came under Hitler up to Russia there was a rising anti-Semitism in Europe concentration camps nobody have persecuted Jews like Hitler 6 ion as my estimate 6 million Jews perished so that

Time many European Jews felt that no never Europe live from 1930 you can view from 1930 to 1940 many Jews immigrated to current part of Israel Palestine okay so the Jewish population began to increase increase there is a uh proverb both a gust and fish it will sting after 3 days

Initial day you are happy oh come on three days oh bro it is very it’s like that from 4% the Jewish population began to reach two digit I’m telling one thing let me be frank every society will have its own xenophobia let me be frank whether it is aam they have problem with

Bengal is coming I’m telling it is not about right or wrong any place Maharashtra Maharashtra how did sh arrive others are taking our job the madzi bihari like that in Arabs sentiment GR against Jews H and actually many Jews came even actually many Jews in the starting of 1900s somewhere actually not

Actually ready to actually establish there because one of the Jewish leaders saw that about the region the bride is beautiful but she is engaged with someone the region is nice it isab how we will take that from 4% how will we grow or we have to to in Frank

Ethnically so this was the exact quotation the bride is very beautiful but he’s engaged so like that the Jewish immigration increased so I would like to add that it was not Arabs who did the Holocaust I agree certain Arab leaders supported Israel certain Arab leaders like the grand Muti of

Palestine it was actually more political also because I’m not judging subash Chandra BOS why did his supporter access powers for him enemy of my enem is my front so same was the similarly I’m telling I’m this is not a justification many Ukrainian supported Nazis initially because Soviets were killing them so

Much yes this is not a justification for na war crimes Nazis are the big war crimes it is a detestable term never take it as a Nazi promotion but they all like Jews because they were fearing communism because that much Soviets were doing similarly some Arabs began to

Flirt with Nazis some Arabs but when I read that one of the founder of Muslim Brotherhood Hassan Al B when I have a limited reading I’m not expert on Hass Al but when I have limited reading I could understand I have a respect towards him he opposed

Nazism Hass Al opposed NIS this is as far I know I mean experts will be knowing more as far I read he opposed Nazis but certain Arab leaders flirted with Nazis like Amin Al hus of Palestine he was the Grand Muti he actually even supported Israel a small Arab section

Supported uh this Nazis but you on the other side you can see many Arabs fight for the Alis in France and all France Britain and so what do you see that some Scholars used to say that this Israel was a Asian solution for a European problem okay Asian solution for for

European problem one leader told that who did the Holocaust German then establish Israel there do they quite natural question but anyway from 1930 you can see from 1947 there was an increased Jewish immigration to the region increased Jewish immigration during the second world war When You observe the political stand of

Jews Jews shed their blood against Hitler Jews volunteered across the region against Hitler they shed their blood there were Jewish Legions they shed their BL but they defeated the Nazis so you must understand now it is under British ire the region is under British Empire from 1918 to

1948 then let me ask a question to my viewers what was the uh which country was the crown jewel of British Empire India India anti India or our akat Pakistan India bang Bangladesh it was the main actually the as cow so why British acquired this region because SS Canal was near

Israel yes so British supported the sist because they want a presence there at the same time British also were very feared that this was creating ethnic problems after 1918 you can see there were increasing number of Arab Jewish riots many number of Arab Jewish RS many

Okay there you can find the root that Arab Jewish Problem starts there with the increase immigration of Jews s settlements so that time actually Jews were not so violent I mean they of course they have their militant groups Etc but they were not as violent they were establishing their place but Arabs

Were opposing that at that time there was no problem between Christians and Jews but the problem between Arabs and Jews started when we speak about the religion per currently everybody will say that America or Europe is Christian people will be born Christian but their basic laws are actually not

Christian basic laws I mean they have secular order so when you look the last 200 years of History last 200 years not I’m telling last 2,000 years 20 years Christian Jewish relations have improved last 200 years okay Islam Jewish relations have wored H just last 200

Years this is a sampling at end to view the big picture we must sample the entire thing so that time I mean I will tell so the Jews start settling in the Palestine after Holocaust after the second world war entire Europe came to know that Hitler did

This Hitler did a very bad thing 6 million jewy persecuted so Hitler was not so religious Christian per he was not so devote Christian as far I know even Nazis were actually not so Christians they were having Germanic ideas their world order was different they were actually I’m tell as I mean

They were actually supporting abortion of uh what we tell Divan children so they were actually not Christian in Christianity abortion is a big sin or uh marrying a second woman is they were promoting such a way that brilliant people marry more make more children their ideas were little absurd even

Though technologically they were very Superior na world order some people speaking what if Nazis W they would also have extinguish Christianity also yes but Nazis during their rule they appropriated the entire culture a sense even from a pamplet radio even religious authorities were appropriated in the sense that when we

Look the stand of Catholic Church I know that many Catholic priests were killed by nazzis many Catholic priests and nuns were killed by Nazis many were H even there is a saint called Max Millian col who were killed in Holocaust but that time the pope he

Could have saved more Jews he could have but he didn’t do he took a ambivent stand that is a big stain actually even the German authorities even Protestant authorities in later I think in after 50s the religious authorities in Germany have a declaration called studart Declaration of guilt we also have the

Share in that guilt okay they came up with this declaration and and why did they do it at the first place means why didn’t they uh try to protect Jews if you protect Jews c means you will be finished yes so that I mean many people in hierarch so to save themselves they

Didn’t it they didn’t do it okay for their property also you have to be in good term with the power to protect your property so many such consideration I’m telling in the ground level many priest were killed by Nazis even their Poli were unheard in the higher of vaan so they

They couldn’t do they could have do it is a missed opportunity they could have protected many Jews I know there were many priests and many people who protected Jews but they could have protected more it is actually sin by default yeah so after Holocaust entire Europe came to know that this thing

Happened even during Hitler’s period he didn’t publicize to people that we are doing this much then there is a collective sense of guilt guilt Consciousness came oh we did this to chws okay then they came European support to Israel so if you if I if you did a sin

Who must pay you must pay it is asking the the landlord is coming and asking you destroyed the floor and I was pay understood so that time a collective conscious of guilt came for Europeans and the support for Israel was from po of Europe including German that happens after the after the

19445 Hitler was stoed then in 1947 the other thing happened what happened as Indian what happened in 1947 India got freedom India got freedom as India got independence British in region we it was to safeguard the way to the Crown Jewel India they main even so canal and the

Region yeah then they got disinterested supply line should be maintained from India from India so it’s like what they did in India partian they did and they left we were killing each other the same people who fought against British in 1857 we’re killing each other in name of Hindu

Muslim we we fought till 1930s and 40s together and divide and Rule I’m not saying that divide we divide ourself they rule R it they use that fault line as ruled it any society will have fault line but take care not get it deepen so that others rule

You so in the when you look the Palestine after 1930 years old there were many Jewish Arab Rons many Jews were also killed Jews were raped and many atrocities so that time after 1940s Jews began to form military WS okay like hag living they form we can say in the initially

Told terrorist or freedom fighter and and this was happening when the Jewish people started to settle in that area of Israel yeah the region and this was before before the making of the Israel State okay because they were they were knowing that the writing on the wall is

Clear now our next war will be with Arabs so from 1940s you can see I have read a book about mzad saying that they converted a bakery to a ammunition Center outside it was Bakery inside they was creating weapons weapons so the Jews you must look the Jewish psychology you

Come mean it is not about geopolitics it’s about psychology what was India psychology after uh 261 what was American psychology after 911 yeah people will Unity we will forget every fight we will unite like that after Holocaust Jews were in a big truma yes either fight or flight or get

C this is the option this is the option many of the Israel Founders and many of the founders of mosat they have photos in their room where their grandfather is getting killed by Nazis either you fight or get finished this is the question either be the pre

Or be the predator in some cases either we have to be the Predator they choose to be the predator Predator than the pr so the Arab Jewish issue arised and Jews start organizing themselves so meanwhile British in 1939 put some limitation on Jewish immigration because they want to

Appear neutral they don’t want toize Arabs totally because if Arabs are uniz totally then the region will be in turmoil so even you can see Jewish militant organizations even bombed a hotel I think it is King David hotel and I think many britishers were killed okay Jewish militants even began attacking

British British ised to go just 56 you can see they were forced to leave Su Canal 71 they leave UAE also British declined so now the fight is between Jews and Arabs and Jews were on their own in this area there was no British support at that point that point actually we can

Say British support was there initially in the 1930s and 40s but after 45 it is like British were actually trying to wash their hands there is a story in Christianity one Governor called pilatos who don’t want to crucify Jesus Christ they don’t want to crucify but

Public is saying so so he just washed his hand let it be like that after 1945 British were actually they want to leave their priority is leave the area but the Jews and Arabs are fighting each other so that time you know in 45 after European Jews many Jews came just only

After Holocaust NE they poured into Israel that time when you look up to 1950s many European Jews came many European Jews cuz you now Europe is not taking us they have shown their intolerance in the extreme and and the problem of Holocaust was I think in Poland they have established oshw was

One of the biggest Holocaust camp camp and they were there in France some of them were there in Germany because Hitler wanted to hide it from German people but it was not there in England it was not there in other parts so even the Jews living in England wanted to

Come to uh Israel actually when we look that England you look the geography of England England is always an island UK is Island yeah so this is the same reason why Napoleon or Hitler couldn’t conquer yeah the Continental Europe is different from England yeah so when you

Look the in America and Britain Jews were far better and Bala Declaration was written in such a manner that Jews can either remain as their own citizens or can immigrate so balford declaration is worded in such a manner that nobody will accuse double loyalty on Israel on

Jews because many Jews were in high positions in American American prain so Holocaust was mainly in the Europe Continental Europe and after that they get fed up actually they just wanted to leave they leave then that time un came so as the world war came to an end we

Know it is a start of an era till now we have the institutions like un and all M but at the world war enter for the specific region like the current Israel and Palestine there was a very change reality compared to the last 50 years M the demographics have changed

Of course by immigration and also the communal relations have changed unfortunately to a worse condition Arabs are Jew Arabs and Jews are now fighting each other across the place there there are so much distress between the communities so it’s like a full gas chamber not gas chamber it is like a

Full LPG cylinder it only take some spark for a big explosion so you un tried to uh bring the situation under control there was a UN resolution that time un had a partition plan and in this room in this uh room now we have the luxury of

Hindsight but that time I am feeling that I’m genuinely feeling that if Arabs felt that that time the region would have been far better but you know history is what happened history is not there is no if in history so un partition plan was basically uh

The viewers can see the map it granted 54% of the land almost 50 to 54% of the land to Israel okay and almost 40% land 40 to 44% of the land to Palestine and 1 2% of the land the Jerusalem is a international City and this was happening when the

Majority population in that area was Arab that time it was majority it was almost 70% okay Jews are a significant minority now the term minority itself you can define whether the minorities like a I’m cting micro minority like 1% or point or 10% 20% it is growing to be

A significant minority so that time Arabs were 70% almost Jews were almost 30% so that time the division was almost 50% for land for the Israel and the 44% land for the Palestine that time Israeli leaders were welcoming that decision we only want this we are ready

Yeah because at least we are getting something after years and centuries years and centuries and we are under after Holocaust we are so desperate we want some peace let us settle here yes that time is leaders were ready we will settle here problem and Arab anyway Arabs anyway are the weaker enemy to

Fight versus if you see Europeans and other when you look Arabs were actually in hindsight they were not pragmatic actually when we speak about Arabs when we speak about Palestine you can see one one observe one thing across the time whether from 1947 or 2023 Palestinians fa much difficult feel

Much difficulty in a coherent National Response hm why I am saying this in international relations there is rhetoric and reality rhetoric is what we uh what we say in a very bluffing manner reality is what we can achieve that time many Arab states surrounding the region like Egypt not like uh Syria

Everyone was gaining independence so that time Arab countries viewed the Jewish State as a colonial entity because for them Jews were there it’s one or 4% other Jews are European Jews coming we won’t recognize this so for them that time Israel isra Palestine is from Mediterranean Sea to

Jordan so that time none of the Arab countries were pragmatic to include isra h that time they said no Israel we are ready for war when you look to the in intricacy of the subject I’m saying Jordan was under hashimite monarchy I said under the son of Shar they had actually working relation

With Israel because they are they neighbors as our late PM watch have said you can change your friends but you can’t change your neighbors neighbors yes they have a working relation so that time even the uh Jordanian leaders were having some practical working relation with Israel it is under the carpet

Because that time Israel is like a taboo if some Arab leader is saying I am ready to accommodate Israel K finished CU why I am saying this I will uh complete this in the coming dialogues so that time Israel was planning to establish but Arabs were saying no Israel they were not pragmatic

They were coming to finish M so that time the first Arab Israel war happened in 1948 okay in the war the experience was different you look the patterns in Arab Israel Wars Arabs will be 2 three or four states will be there Israel will be all in the region

They will have at least like Super Bowls but at the end of the day they are away America is away Europe is away you are only here to stay m first war happened when the first war happened entire things change because there was a brutal ethnic cleansing there was a brutal ethnic

Cleansing of the Palestinians from the region by Jewish military Israeli military I mean their predecessors like the Jewish militant groups likeon leevi Hana ha almost in Arab term it is called nakba the catastroph almost 7 lakh Arabs were thrown out of their Villages okay and where will they go of

Course to Arab countries many reached Egypt So when you say the Arab countries and the Arab world fighting against this was the whole Arab world the whole region or or or only the Palestinians and the neighboring ones when we speak about the term Arab world I’ll

Tell Arab is a very fluid I’m telling what because typically what you see in GCC this is not about racism I’m telling where the viewers can understand somebody have you seen the Arabs in GCC they will be more white than you or any typical North Indians they’re Arabs then

When you look the Arab territory from Morocco to Iraq from Syria to Sudan it is claimed to be Arab land in certain parts of Africa like Sudan Arab is more a linguistic term if you’re using Arabic and following Islam then you are considered as Arab they

Will be more black than me so Arab is a very fluid term actually so when you look the Arab world is very big actually very big from Morocco to Iraq from Syria to Sudan B that time Sudan is current South Sudan also very big did the entire Arab world took part

In the war no this Arab world I’m telling frankly it may be politically incorrect it is a rhetoric actually local countries were involved in the conflict okay and other countries send small expeditionary Force small talken Force like 200 400 else the entire Arab Machinery didn’t came even many Arab countries

Were not independent that time like Algeria or Libya Libya was only independent 51 Algeria 62 Morocco I remember it is 56 something Egypt was under monarchy anyway many Arabs were not independent that time so Arab Israel war means the local Arab countries came there was a war and in

The war Arabs Got a big setback because Arabs armies were very backward in term of organization and amunition only the Jordanian Army perform well because they have a legion called uh they have a uh Legion Arab Legion it was actually trained by British Jordan have a very modern Army

It was called Arab Legion it was exactly Man by a person called glap Pasha it was a British officer jordanians very heroically defended many region I’m saying defended not captur so after the war before the war after the war Palestinians actually lost 7 lakh Palestinians I say the were

Forced to leave their land their agriculture properties their homes their mosques everything captured and these refugees went to different countries many were absorbed to Jordan I’m saying Jordan is one of the few Arab country which give equality to the refugees in Syria or other place you are

A refugee actually you don’t get equal rights so s went to Lebanon so this refugees went and when you look one thing I will say one thing entire West Asia you look the region every one decade two decade they have a wall look 48 56 67 73 1990s after then there’s a conflict

Arise 2000 after Hamas arise 2008 2012 2014 2021 now 2023 so war is how many per you must understand here we are not only speaking geopolitics or International relation psychology of War because when you view some catastroph you will carry the Revenge yes you will carry the Revenge you can

See the current Hamas leader his parents were thrown out of the region during that time he was during the 48 War 48 War I remember he was born in’ 67 or 65 he’s uh I don’t know okay the Muhammad D is 5 I’m saying because I’m telling how the revenge is getting

Carried because we must look the psychological Muhammad D was born in a refuge C yes so many Arabs become refugees this is what called nakba it is a sort of ethnic lensing you can’t deny it it’s a reality it happened so after this war now you can understand 7 LHS Arabs are displaced

Many were killed but not lcks 7 lakh Arabs were killed so they have like byby Brotherhood across Morocco to Iraq you can see the anti-Semitism grown there what was a nor in Europe later that got transplanted to Arab countries not in European sense but hostility towards Jews so here I speak a

Fact which most of the speakers don’t speak the thing is that everybody body knows about nagba I know from I I’m following this region at least for 5 10 years I’m following In from from my childhood I used to read about this I know about this Israeli sanist ethnic

Cleansing about Arabs of course it is inhuman it is very atrocity there is no debate on it but you can observe one thing from 1950s to 1960s 1015 years similarly Jews were also exiled from across the Arab countries M from Yemen from Iraq from Syria from Lebanon from Algeria from Libya Jewish

Properties were attacked Jewish properties were confiscated Jews were killed executed so in the coming decade one to decade almost 6 to8 lakh Jews also are what we tell uh are expelled from Arab countries so now you see the both side of the the story from Palestinian region

Or the Israel region 7 lakh Arabs were expelled by Israel it is in human similarly across the Arab countries Algeria Libya Iraq Syria almost total 5 to 7 lakh Jews were expelled this is also atrocity this is where our debate goes very political and and where were these

People going when they were exiled where were these heading towards when we speak about the Jews out of 7 lakh Jews as far I read from some sources 4 lakh 5 lakh came to Israel itself okay some goes to Europe so in Israeli point of view this is a def facto population

Exchange in international relations we know the term djur and defacto Israel views this as defacto population exchange you expelled our people people we expel your people K this is certain Israeli point of view so when you look one thing you can see a bias B in the sense I’m speaking anybody can counter

Me there was a refugee organization unrwa un Refugee Organization for the Palestinian people of course they are refugees they need protection but did anybody talk about Jewish refugees there were many I think 10 20 50 resolutions about Arab refugees how many Solutions were about Jewish refugees practically Z it is the

Actually non- discussed part of the story here why I mean by this podcast is that I’m speaking in a neutral manner you must get B the story in India I feel so actually pathetic When The War happened because in India both sides are very polarized when the Hamas attacked many

People I know were celebrating from Mediterranean to Jordan River Israel Palestine Israel go it is like a implicit calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews on the other side many people are here actually very happy about leveling Gaza imagine 2.3 million people are there are speaking about leveling that

You imagine the human catastroph whether it is Arab blood or Jewish blood it is valuable social media I’m feeling being let me be frank it is very sometime toxic I’m telling we India we are a civilizational state and we are a civilized State also so be very decent

In social media I feel because our social media is very polarized yes some don’t want is everywhere I think everywhere some don’t want Israel to exist some don’t want gasa to be leveled both are inhuman yeah both are inh both are in in so what I’m saying is that

This story must be this is a complete set of story ethnic cleansing happened regarding Jews majority of the Jews came to is and there is another fact other Factor initially I have discussed about the ethnic element inside Jews during the Holocaust European Jews were immigrating to Israel they are called

Asazi they are well more educated organized they’re politically very influential after 1947 48 Jews from the Arab countries were immigrating to Israel okay they were called misim and Safar they were actually very poor not so educated so in the Israeli Society you can understand there is a there is a

Quotation outside Israel you are Jew you are a polish jew I am an Arab Jew I am a Iraqi Jew as you enter Israel you are askanazi you are saim you are misim you are secular you are religious everything when we speak Jews are also not monolithic they have their own

Different fault lines or different a mosaic actually yeah at the end of the day they are also humans they’re also humans groups yeah so after this one two decade the demography again changed I mean the more Asian Jews came whether from Morocco Aleria Iraq and many Jews

Also as I have told their properties were confisticated so they were reaching dirt poor the Israeli State establishment itself faced a big struggle how to house them how to feed this is was an exal crisis that one the nation is infant is surrounded by enemies beyond that you are getting more

Refugees so Israel was in a big actually they were facing big crisis when you speak about Israel is now what we tell Israel’s invincibility is getting challenged and all Israel have faced many challenges I’m telling in history of Israel what I observe is that that people have their

Resilience they will come back they will bounce back it is what I observe from the history so what we see is that this Jewish refugees majority will come to Israel Arab refugees as I have said earlier many will go to Jordan some will go Lebanon some will go

Syria here you must understand another thing actually everybody will speak now across the Islamic world I will say from Morocco to even Pakistan when pakistanis are so what we tell Enthusiast about Palestine and all but when you look the real scenario across the Arab world when Palestinian refugees came there were political

Issues when you look the politics of Jordan in Jordan there is a big political struggle between the Jordanian it’s called East bank and the people from the Palestine West Bank there’s an issue there it’s a political issue there this uh uh pales refugees are not given equality in many countries like Syria or

Lebanon even in country like Lebanon Lebanon was that time Christian majority actually as the Palestinian immigration came it began to change the demography the last sensus of Lebanon was taken in 1932 the Lebanese po sharing Lebanon have a system called consociationalism it’s like typically when you enter some Auto some Auto in MH

You will say one thing they will have one photo of s or Krishna one photo of Mecca one photo of Jesus Christ or something this thing I see in Kerala like every religion in Lebanon president is from one religion prime minister is from one religion defense minister is

From one religion it is called consociationalism it is based on 1932 census that time marinite Christians were majority in Lebanon that time now it is becoming 93 years 903 years but after that you can see the political ramification in Lebanon where the immigration of the Palestinians changed

The demography now Lebanon is a Muslim majority country inside Jordan you can see I will discuss it later Palestinians were supposed we will discuss it later it was actually jordanians who killed maximum number of Palestinians almost I think 20,000 30,000 as per some estimates in 1970 so being honest our professor there

Is a we have a very distinguished Professor his name is Professor Bidar he’s expert on the region on the Leon region for Cent he have written many books he opin that actually Arab leaders have what we tell St Palestinians more than Israel is interesting so the refugees went there so you the psychological

Element you remember when you are a refugee sometimes your father or brother may be killed you are carrying the revenge and you will pass this Revenge to your next Generation so this problem is not easy to solve let me be frank it’s not easy it is political economical

Psychological also why I’m telling you look nanyu his brother was killed in and operation yes that’s why nanyu is seen as watch hardliner no concession to Palestinians imagine there is a big difference between a Statesman and a politician as a Statesman you are supposed to accommodate all it is good

For the long-term National interest m I can do something for my personal bias but in long term it will harm Nation similarly the current I have told the Muhammad his family was born by Israel so this this what this feeling of Revenge it’s like promethus that flame

Is carried by the two by the two people through generation so this Palestinian refugees wherever they went they were engaged in politics and they got problem problem so in 195 1860s and all when you look there’s many Palestinian refugees were then after 1948 War let me make it

Clear Israel got much area more area Palestinians lost the 44% of land again I think they came near 30% something I’m not remembering the exact figure Palestinians that time had Gaza gasa and West Bank Gaza was under Egyptian rule actually okay and West Bank was under Jordan

So there was actually no Palestine these people were staying there and you understand there are struggles many people killed they are thrown out from their family oh it’s my grandfather’s property and somebody from Europe is taking that we must also understand that psychology who did hoca did my

Grandfather did no European did then why are you making me prepare yes so this is I mean we can’t we must see the both s side so the Palestinians very very revengeful of course somebody kicked me from my home I so there was Palestine attacks called fedin attacks F they were continuously

Harassing Israel from Egypt Syria attacking so Israel when you look from the formation they were ever in a war mode either you are engaging in a cold war or a hot War like now or a war of attrition or continuous infiltration and attack many time these Palestinian Commandos will come they will attack

Jewish uh settlements they will also do atrocities like killing raping and all I mean they used to do so this thing happened so Israel was ever in state of rers then the major conflict in the region happened in 56 before that we must understand some other things in

1952 Egypt was under a monarchy that time there is a rer called Faruk King Faruk let me be politically incorrect I’m using a very unparliamentary term but it is the scholarly term I’m very Pon me this King was not interested in good Administration he was maintaining every

British interest okay he was ruling in a very what we tell very luxurious manner common Egyptians were suffering even many scholars coted him far the he was so much womanizer this is not an insult as a rer you are supposed to behave in such a manner yes your

Personal life and sexual orientation I agree I respect it but as a ruler you must not control your senses that is what chanaka said yes another remember chanaka used to do this thing L test for administrators I’m telling in the sense everybody of us have sexuality and different sexual orientation it’s not a

Matter but as a ruler you are not you are behaved to be you are supposed to behave in certain manner yes but he was a symbol like a Playboy under his role people were not at all better in 1952 in Egypt why I am saying Egypt because Egypt is a neighboring

State just after gasas there is SII peninsul yeah in Egypt siai is part of Egypt 1952 in Egypt there was a military officials coup that’s called free officers movement then the later leader came Gamal Abdul nazer as an Indian I have huge respect for him because he was a very good of Neu

Andi so he came he was actually like a I’m telling like a prophet of Arab nationalism okay that time there was a grand idea Arab countries must unite and and this person was from Egypt Egypt his person was from Egypt actually actually there’s another thing he was

The true Egyptian to rule Egypt after TH or 2,000 years because Egypt all the Arabians uh recognize this person to be their leader of course because his ideology you must understand in that context we are now because if somebody speaks about Freedom struggle we will do

Oh what we don’t face the heat but ask our grandfathers and them they suffered under British under British brutes so they will that their blood will boil we don’t know because we are very comfortable generation we have seen Freedom we don’t know the value of Freedom yet but that time Arab countries

Were under European rule exploitation just only decolonized nasar was from a poor family so Arab nationalism is a basically secular ideology so it’s called bism the term bath means Rance yes AR nationalism is basically it is secular secular in the sense they don’t add religion too much and and this was

What Naser wasting ideology yes but even Saudi Arabia recognized and accepted his leadership in the Arab world uh it is a no no Saudi was seeing Nas with a threat yeah because bahabi Islam is there and it has its own position in the whole Arab world so what was the equation of

Naser Vis is Saudi Arabia we all know about Cold War yes there is something called Arab Cold War okay between the Arab countries so Arab countries from Morocco to Iraq have their own contradiction because in Arab countries you can see two type of regimes one is called monarchies conservative

Monarchies m like Jordan or Iraq up to 1958 MH Saudi till now they were having monarchy monarchy is based by uh what son or brother of King dynasties are there there is no Republic Republic means elected elected head yes and monarchy means selected head yes selected by King so they were actually

Some more conservative they conservative social order they supported they supported more religious issues they were more like a monarchy they were seen as backward and politically these monarchies were very friendly to Europeans from 1945 you can see Saudi Arabia America relations got deepen that’s the base of current petrol dollar itself American presence

Increased after the withdrawal of British then came America Pax Americana yes so the regimes the you can see the Arab monarchies like Iraq Jordan Saudi you look them they were generally proest then you see the other set of regimes called radical regimes that is like this Arab nationalism uh Egypt under

Nazer Syria later under B party Syria still under B party Iraq later under Saddam Hussein they were actually Arab nationalist Arab nationalism or bism the idea the idea of Arab nationalism itself was actually conceived by two Arabs Salah a Muslim and Michael AF a Christian so Arab nationalism was

Actually more secular there were many Christian leaders in them this Arab issue has actually there were many Christians in Arab leadership actually one example is Michael aflak so they were secular in their Outlook then they were actually socialist because you understand what was the condition of India when British

Left just like a have we have seen the uh sugar cane after taking sugar can juice we will see something India was like that yeah exploited economy so what that time we need socialism we need some basic Industries so they supported socialism government control our economy and this about modernism any viewers can

Check that time you look the Arab media Arab woman and all they were not so veiled they were dressed like westerners yes the culture was enti different even in Afghanistan it was seen in 50s culture was very much very much Lial Afghanistan doesn’t comes in Central

Asia but anyway this region I mean I have seen many documentaries of Al jaer Egyptian woman Algerian woman they are not I mean so much so much ve and so much different so that time this radical regimes like Egypt later Syria Iraq these radical regimes and monarchies have their own

Competition which more we must come and that regimes like Saudi were feared of nazer okay because they will export their Revolution here the best example is Iraq was a monarchy under one of the son of Hussein in 1958 there was a K in Iraq then there was another political

Change later BST G Arab nationalist G so the Arab nationalists were actually threatening monarchies they were threatening Jordanian King similarly they were also threatening Saudi so when you look the Arab world itself they were having their own contradiction Saudi was so what we tell feared about Naz and one of the

Playground was we are going to the other region Yemen Yemen where you see Yemen was having a Shia monarchy as you say Saudi is a wahhabi kingdom Saudi supported Shia monarchy Naser supported Republican Arab socialist so that time Nas was so so attractive to the region entire region

That time the time of transistor radio now we have YouTube and all they transistor radio every Arab will take the radio and switch over to radio Cairo Cairo what Nas speaks what nasar speaks is our word nasur was a big what we tell big crowd

P and since he was a socialist is this the reason why he had good terms with Neu and IND Gandhi nasar’s term with Naru when we speak both Egypt is a decolonized state India is a decolonized state both were socialist of course they have a good R out and they were members

Of Nam nonaligned mign movement yes and in uh 19 uh in 1962 when we were capturing Goa we were capturing Goa Portuguese were planning to send their ships Portuguese ships have to come through sus Canal SS Canal it was NASA who blocked Canal for India okay so NASA

And India were very close actually nasar Naru chemistry nasar India chemistry was very good so the nasar’s pan arabism or Arab nationalist ideology was against isra nasar said that I will take Palestine even if it is covered in blood so in Israeli point of view he was Helen on destroying

Israel this was his foreign policy internal policy Naser improved the life of the common Egyptians he gave land to the people he improved education Healthcare so what is neared to be popular internally he is doing reform externally what was the thing was there was a thing called Su war in which

Israel was involved it make Naser a hero in our world then to a decade after 1967 Arab world was mized by a person called Gamal Abdul Nazar M every Arab used to listen this transistor radio oh what radio Koo is saying in 1956 when you look the geography you can

Look the geography when you look the Israel’s cost Israel have a long Mediterranean cost they have a very small cost in the Red Sea in the Gulf of akaba near Jordan and there is a strait called straight of tyan is controlled by Egypt nazer was so much against Israel h

He was always clossing the straight of Iran so Israeli commerce was always blocked so in 1956 there are some other issues the basic issue was we were discuss we are discussing the uh SS War Nas sir when Egypt got independent was making new friends including America and Soviet Union we must understand one

Thing when Israel was formed in 1948 one of the country to support Israel was Soviet Union that time that time h that time the sanist leaders were socialist there were something called Labor sanism that time Ben guran was the leader because Czechoslovakia which the country which shipped which lifted arms

For Israel so that time Israel had a Israel and Soviet Union had a I mean we can say some positive thing that time later it changed later this Arab Israel issue became part of Cold War in which Israel was siding with America and Arab countries were supported by Soviet sovet

So 48 where it was actually a little different so for Nazar I’m telling Nazar want to improve the people so Egypt is known as the gift of Nile Nile River water must through it yes so they were planning a big Dam called aan so America is offering we

Will help the dam financial help material help technical help we will provide don’t worry but America had a condition I mean it must not conflict with isra and America Al also other fear because inside America the agriculture Lobby is a big Lobby you can see till now we have dispute with American uh

Agriculture what subsidy you look America provide for its farmers and they race disputes about what America India gives subsidy for our farmers in America the farming Lobby is also very huge so some of the farming Lobby feared that if Egypt start producing cotton it will be threat it will be threatening American cotton

Producers so America is Dilly dallying on the prospects of giving help then NASA did one thing okay you are not doing he planed to nationalize sus Canal because the sus Canal was actually constructed by a French Egyptian F in 1959 it started 1859 it started within a decade Su Canal was

Constructed 1869 it was opened when you look the construction of Canal or Panama Canal there a locals who are constructing and dying yes thousands or 10,000s of Egyptian farmers who are called fahin who died in there it was constructed by Consortium and the entire profit and all go to this

Company and why were they dying I mean just for the construction not only construction the working conditions will be not so good yes malaria and many diseases will be there okay so the canal constructions will be you look Panama also same thing happened so common Egyptians were dying h because the

Healthcare and all is not in this as this time it’s not like though the labor rights are also not there not there yes so it was actually common Egyptian who shed the sweat and blood so after that I69 who was the biggest uh user of ss Canal the European and the Americans

Which European country England England it was actually British if four ships go through sus that time it was British Empire three ships will be British when s Canal opened you can see the political economy of Bombay itself changed yes so later British brought the shares from the Egyptians M and the Su

Canal become a British French Enterprise yes look the standing of Egypt now Egypt was under corrupt rulers that time kives so 1860 by 1875 it became anlo French in 1882 in Egypt there was uising local uprising that time Britain came to suos it for what for controlling the so

Canal because so Canal was vital for India yes so from that time there are British forces there from 1882 British forces are there in 1936 they reached an agreement actually Egypt got independence in 1922 very early they got but British indust were protected and I told the king the Faruk were so

Accomplished of British yeah so Nas thought that 18 1936 agreement now it is 1956 Nas told anyway I want fun for cons D I’m going to nationalize this s Canal so the revenue will come to me it is for the Egyptian people yeah it is actually

Right so he told I will compensate the shareholders he also told that so that time he took that decision when nasur took sus Canal it was a big political bold move across Arab world people were electrified Nas Nas it was the slogan in every Arab Street was defeating a colonial power so

Politically it was a big what we tell Advantage for Naz but that time a war came this war was planned by British French and Israel here comes the convergence of interest for British leaving so Canal even though they left India it’s fine but they are still controlling this

Crucial States UAE and all so simply losing it to a people like Nas no no it is against our Prestige we won’t live it easy for French they were actually fighting in Insurgency in Algeria yes algerians are Arabs NASA were supporting Algerian National mov so NASA is not

Good for French for Israel it’s not about colonialism Nas is threatening my national existence Okay so was nazer supporting the Palestinians of course nasar Wasing Israel means nasar was a big supporter of Palestine okay Palestinian fine were based on Egypt okay because gasa was a part of Egypt that time Egypt they were

Conducting continuous to Israel so when you look the when you look the foreign policy of Israel and its analysis many academics will criticize Israel because they are standing with Colonial powers for Israel it was a hopson’s choice because against the other guys will they side with us no

Forgot about siding with us they don’t even recognize our existence Israel is ready to recognize the existence of Arab states but they say no Israel is like existence either I have to kill you or get killed so Israeli foreign policy was actually it was not about imperialism they want to defeat us

This three powers converge in 1956 there was a sudden attack militarily nasar Was Defeated Israel did a swift move gasa was crossed by Israel I mean Israel captured many region uh Gaza was captured by Israel then Britain and French forces occupied the so canals when you look the Su War

Su war was a political success for nazur but it was a military defeat then Here Comes other irony you will have Battlefield victories it is very difficult to convert Battlefield victories into Political victories yes that say that need a skill big skill whether Soldier is fighting somewhere I mean for the

Country but it is the negotiation skill of the Diplomat who convert it into tangible game that Bloody sh no use so that time these three countries and attack Egypt so entire region got flat up America got angry why didn’t informed us so that time American Soviet Union played a

Mediator like role okay between the Egypt on one side and uh Anglo French Israel Israel on the other side so that time America was not supporting Israel actually they told they and Soviet told this won’t be allowed at the end of the day a peace treaty peace arrived so Nas told that

Okay I agree Israel’s right to have Maritime this navigation over the straight of T I want mol Israeli ships Israel told okay we will vacate the gasa no problem that war and and what about the rights of the British and the so Canal was given to Egypt was given to Egypt it was

Nationalized okay and they back stepped then they back stepped okay this 1956 is a big JW to British Empire was a big do yes just 15 years I think 15 yeah Empire exchang inves 71 day left U then they have no more wasted interest in yeah that time it was I mean Western

Media was so much what we vilifying NZ like some media told he’s a mol in Red Sea yes this I’m telling this colonialism and hegemony not only exist it also exist in media yes whether which atrocity you play both side have their own share I’m telling but which that we

Must be very cognizant of the fact what the media say and what the media don’t say don’t say yes and sometimes media is also controlled by the state and that then it becomes a bigger problem of course so that war at last ended was a military defeat for Nazar Egypt defeated

It was a political success for nasar Naser become a hero but Israel also got its objective satisfied yeah it won’t be monster Peace So Israel is facing now War number two imagine a country form a decade is not end War number two imagine the psychological impact they’re only

Consolidating yeah they facing two War it’s like infant getting so much diseases the country is very infant for that perod so that time Israel was facing this much issues that Israel was actually very much isolated in the region in the sense that Arab countries were saying no no Israel

Only Jordan have some underground relation and also as far I know Morocco also have some underground some not so cover so these were happening then the another exential crisis happened to Israel it was in 1967 H it was called Six Day War yes six was the major turning point of the

Region cuz when you look in the 1956 that time when you look the foreign policy of Israel that time Israel was not so close American Ali that was France was was of the big support of Israel that time France was supporting that time also Israel started its nuclear

Ambitions Israel is a latent nuclear power latent nuclear lat means they know that they have it they won’t officially declare it yes because they officially declare when sanctions other things can come America will become uncomfortable so it’s like a uh officially unofficial unofficially official yes so these three countries Israel uh

Iran and uh North Korea North Korea nobody knows they have it or they do not have it and sanctions are there North Korea uh when we speak North Korea is a different Zone I am not an expert to talked on but still I can say North

Korea used to conduct some test and the reactors are viewed in Satellite so they even declared that we have nuclear ambition they declar that’s why kimjongun is constantly testing the missiles Mudan and all but Israel is very balent on that they don’t have said that we will nuke can no but everybody

Know it’s like I’m coming with the room with a big gun big uh knife no no you know if you miss I will stab you they have that for Israeli point of view it is a what do we tell insurance when you know the combine AR Power is Insurance why India and

Pakistan is not having a hard War because we both are nuclear States especially Pakistan is in international relation when one actor is desperate he will behave in a very irrational manner so that time actually it was France which hated the Israeli nuclear program was a damona nuclear Center in

Neave desert and there nuclear development was also very very V tell very cing story they told to America that it is a textile plant and they developed and this time when you look you can see across from other region Jews were immigrating to isra Israel economy was only developing Basics

Basics only there are still a backward country then after that time actually Germany paid some compensation it was almost I think 1 billion Germany paid compensation for Holocaust it helped Israel economy that time actually 1 billion is not a I mean money can’t replace human life human life is to be what

We yeah but still they paid something and it actually the national state formation Israel started getting more uh Asian Jews Israel Society has also its own problem because you when you look that from 19 48 to I think 1977 something Israeli politics was dominated by labor party labor party was some more secular

Economically some more left so they were dominated by ascari the European Jews European Jews were dominating Israel benorian I mean our users can search look the list of Israel presidents look where they are born it will be Russian Empire German Empire I know so this time so after 67 ah sorry

So we were discussing about 1956 to that period yeah then The Six Day War Six Day War is another important because in Six Day War Israeli intelligence is very sophisticated M they are very much sophisticated cuz why I am saying this Israeli intelligence as well as Israeli

Military development there was a book I don’t remember the Jewish name it is very complicated name weapon Wizards it’s about Israeli military industrial complex 1970s now you can see drawns here in every marriage we have drawn 19677 mean my father was a toddler that time that time Israel Used military

Dr I was not born my father was a toddler was a suckling toddler that time that time Israel start using military drones for recognizance imagine there one or two generation ahead that time so that time actually isra as a state Israel’s military Doctrine itself we can’t afford a

Defeat yes defeat is if they defeat because there’s no other home it is destruction you look the geography of Israel their strategic depth is very small look the V anybody can easily occupy so they are actually they’re so much ready either success or destruction and regarding destruction every Jew have

A holocaust memory oh we face this even M some of the Mad leaders have in their office they have a painting but his grandfather was being shoot by Nazis he have that photo he told he keep me motivated is is in exential crisis that time I’m saying that time not now now

Israel is more acceptable compared to that time so when you look the 60s they started economically there modernizing they were following a social system but still there’s economic Union called hisra the economy was getting modernized people were coming so one thing is that more Skil is also

Coming because in Israel there is one thing Dignity of Labor yes I’m saying because my relatives worked across West Asia they worked in Libya they worked in gatar Saudi Arabia uh Kuwait Iraq and Sadam and Israel my everything is good good about GC States nothing bad very good

Treatment but what they observe about Israel is that there’s a good there’s a Dignity of Labor my aunts v as a mate but they are so much respected Imagine India we have some complex like we won’t Shake hand or give respect to the Doby and they respect isra actually the Dignity of

Labor is such a way that imagine I’m a PhD scholar I’m ready to do brooming so what in India we have a problem of what do we tell educator unemployment PhD I can’t do it is not my I’m level isra anybody PhD ready to do sing

Dignity of Labor is a good thing in science the science philosophy they are really doing work so that is a good feature of society and they’re very Innovative actually Israelis don’t fear to fail that’s why Israel is one of the startup Nation many startups fail but they are ready to recognize that in

Israel if you are a failed person still people respect you people can learn anything from you yes so their circumstances made them in such a way that we must survive that is the their resilience so they started soon after 70s they started investing in high Technologies which came into flotation so anyway after

1960ss they acquired nuclear power and all they were also acquiring a qualitative military Edge in 67 the other war came isra intelligence know that Arab countries were planning to attack so they did the preemptive strike and the war happens the war was for 6 days M Israel on one side other side

Egypt uh Syria Naser was present at that time Nas was was in Egypt okay 67 Nas was at the APO of his career 67 is a big year for Arab countries I will say why that time Naser is like a prophet what Nas say what radio KIRO say everybody

Will listen even Saudi princess there is a prince called red prince who defected to Egypt he don’t feel Saudi as better he feel nasar is the great leader Egypt was a center of AR nationalism so Egypt and Naz then Syria Jordan everybody was attacking Israel six this but the sophistication of Israel is

Such a way that this mosak they have they one of the the sophisticated Indy I will say still I will say many say that about the current failure I will come into the come into that in the coming what we tell uh topics about 2023 I’m saying mad is the one of the

Sophisticated intelligence from that time because mad mad used to have actually their operation structure they have something called katsa katsa mean field agent they are the more expert more expert means they will be in high eons of power imagine a mosad agent was to be Syria’s defense

Minister okay a mosad agent was nasar’s son-in-law ashra Maran Gamal Abdul nasar the prophet of Arab nationalism his son-in-law as a Israeli agent imagine the reach mad have mad is very very brilliant organization they have spice across I mean high of power they have so Israelis knows where the

Egyptian every Air Force is located they have a operation called operation Focus they know which time the pilots are going to have their uh uh breakfast when Pilates are doing breakfast the plane is Al that time they bombed and destroyed the air force of these nations imagine how sophisticated

IND they have mad were doing many things actually on one side they were haunting the Holocaust criminals like adol fman yes they pick him from Argentina he was actually living as Ricardo Clement yes nobody was knowing they picked him I’ve seen the movie movies also made on that there Ben

Kingsley acted in that yeah so M actually I’m telling still now I’m saying don’t take it them lightly don’t take if you are if you think mad is full then you are the full don’t take mad seriously lightly lightly lightly if you are a opponent of mazad I

Don’t know how you will be assassinated there I tell m assassination plan I will tell they have a gun called Baretta there it used to be their favorite weapon small gun with silencer nobody will know sure M ha many exis like adikan there is one person called

Butcher of Ria there was a na in lvia they assassinated to him many Nazis they assassinated many they went to South Africa this South America then there were many German scientist working in Arab countries M they assassinated them also some nazzis even went to Arab countries like allo Brunner in Syria they assassinated

Them The Mastermind of uh uh attack on the Israeli players in the German M we will come yeah it is 70s we will come so mad was taking from that time they were very super efficient I mean I will tell how they execute you imagine you are a

Fe leader sometime when PA come to you when you open that tuam there is one bomb you have a running stomach you went to toilet and you open the flush tuck everything under the waste is gone I mean they have closet bomb they have pen buom everything they

Have so M select me m don’t have assassinate hundreds of people no they select the target finish it very good I have read about two books about them they take the at most care that no others are are harmed actually I’m saying no other agency will

Take care in that much this is not about justification of what mad did mad also done mistakes but they maximum they observe you I mean whether if any civilian will die they will avoid that and try again many so mad was actually starting their operation that time so

When you look that time Israel was in’ 67 Israel won Israel W over actually it was a big defeat to Nazar it was a big defeat to arabism itself or Nazism after that time Arab countries across the Arab countries people have a e think many believe that we deviated from

Islam so that’s why once we were a very strong people we are not strong now so after 1967 the pan arabism got a little weak and in that place pan islamism and out grown you can see the growth of Muslim Brotherhood in the region yes Muslim Brotherhood person it was

Formed as like a like a NGO in 1928 it was WR it was actually when you look the Muslim Brotherhood when you look Islam per Islam apart from a religion this a lifestyle actually in a sense Islam tells to a Believer how to behave in your bedroom sexual cleaness and all how to

Behave in the bathroom uh hygiene in the bathroom how to clean out I mean is very strict on cleanliness how to behave in the dining table Islam is all encompassing life so it is a big civilization actually so when Western colonialism happened across the world we see British

As British it’s not about a Christian Hindu Clash British came they land with everyone here including Muslim rulers Hindus Amar yes for for Muslim countries it was a rethink because once we dominated now the foreigners especially the Christians are coming so there is a I’m telling one Christian Muslim angle

Is also there many academic Scholars view colonialism as a Christian this also a Christian touch also so it is like a clash so that time in the Egypt the Europeans were living in very rich clubs and all majority of the Egyptians were poor that time Hass Al a leader from

Muslim Brotherhood was like he was say he was a charismatic preacher very charismatic preacher so he preached the virtues of Islam how Believers must live how you should be close to your religion then they work as a NGO NGO means they provide you charity health services so what all state failed to provide

Including healthare education schooling many things Muslim Brotherhood for they will provide you they’re called Ean Brotherhood so there were a big political force in Egypt also Muslim Brotherhood grown as a political force in Egypt that time Egypt we can see different type of political views one is communist communist were there in a

Minority Muslim Brotherhood was there nasar was there initially in some readings I have read for a few time Nas have collaborated with the Muslim Brotherhood okay but later Nas turned the big persecutor of Muslim Brotherhood because Muslim Brotherhood some members Tred to assassinate n Naser and high

Members and and why why this happened because they were hardliners and Naser was not a Hardline nasar was a secularist also AR nationalist so Muslim Brotherhood members tried to assassinate top Egyptian leaders Muslim Brotherhood was banned the second Muslim Brotherhood leader was say kuub say kuub is a very

Controversial leader and this Muslim Brotherhood is based on some country or it was the whole Arab world coming together based on Egypt later spread across the region even in India you can see many organizations inspired by Muslim Brotherhood I will come into it they started to Egypt so the initial

Leader I told Al was a charismatic person was a very knowledgeable person other leader say k when we speak about say k we call something called cultural shock imagine you are living in a very conservative household and suddenly you are coming to join you you are seeing

Gender in gender mixing drinking oh man it is not about I’m scandalizing him it’s everybody’s personal freedom I’m nobody to judge I’m nobody so I’m saying such a person will feel some cultural shock s k was a very brilliant student he went to America for a scholarship

Something he went to study so you know Islamic socities are very conservative so what s is VI in America is that people are dating premarital sex so he feel much cultural shock woman are coming to him he feel that this is not the way we must behave he’s a

Conservative so he actually was very detested by Western culture H so he was saying that we must take Islam to the roots okay Islamic culture Islamic period so where you will Define the period is a problem is like a revivalist mov so say kin his book I don’t know the

Correct English name is a book he say about armed Jihad okay this Jihad as a term is very controversial thing what I’m saying is that Jihad is two type lesser Jihad and greater Jihad I’m telling what initially said Creator Jihad means imagine I’m a person who have many bad habits like

Drinking addictions greater Jihad is I’m fighting against myself I’m purifying myself it’s called Jihad abar I think the correct term only Arabic experts can say lesser Jihad means military defense and you must understand why Jihad arised Jihad arised in the that condition actually condition means when Prophet was in the Arabian Peninsula initially

His followers were persecuted yes by the mechan pagans so that time he brought Jihad as a defensive concept because if he didn’t defense he could have been history he could have been killed actually his followers could have been killed that time so Jihad actually came as a defensive do and this

Was happening in Makkah or Madina makah Madina that region I mean when he returned he went from Makkah to Madina and then came back returned to back so this Jihad that time it came as a purely defensive measure purely defensive measure there was nothing about expansion and all it’s about

Defense when you look the concept later later the calips appropriate this and they use it for their political expansion whether you want more land under control you want to sack more cities you want to get more gold you want to get more silver you want to get more woman

Declare Jad so Jihad was a religious term which was turned to political by later Sultans itself even otoman said they did Jihad everybody When Baba say he said Jihad Jihad is actually a very spiritual term it was politicized by every rulers so Muhammad gazni and Muhammad G’s attack on India was they

Took it as a yes they took it as a religious damage yeah religious motivation which was given was on the name of jihad Jihad because this I’m telling here also you must than psychology psychology matters when we speak of the big things in geopolitics and all you must come into the intricate

Psychology in war morale matters morale how can a rack Tac farmer in Vietnam defeat a superow like America how can a chap wearing talibani can defeat Soviet un America h it also mind your psychology so what I’m saying is that in the concept of jihad Jihad is actually very much misinterpreted also

What why I am saying this because in I’m a Christian in Christianity suicide is prohibited if you do suicide No Heaven you are attorney eternally you are to Hell Islam prohibit suicide in Islam suicide is a big sin you will be in Janam in hell but you look how some

Certain Islamic made suicide bombing religious because it is actually how you manipulate the people you askl how you ask an Islamic scholar suicide itself harming itself is a big un Islamic here then how I about harming innocent people it is actually un Islamic it is UN Islamic actually how you what we misuse

It so that this concept of jihad was across the world was used that is also of course a action against that also many people criticized Jihad because it was one of the most misused to whether it is by bber or any King in Somalia sutan so the say k used the term

Jihad it was like we must oppose Western Civilization while Hass Al B was moving in a very soft manner by doing charity Society s k was calling for armed in so that’s why Muslim Brotherhood was banned by Egypt even Naser banned Wales actually in Egypt okay that time many Muslim

Brotherhood members were exiled many went to Saudi Arabia G now also you can see Gat is a big base of Muslim Brotherhood they were actually very educated they were in Academy so this Muslim Brotherhood was actually working it is like a what we tell it is like a hibernating mode Muslim Brotherhood or

Ian when you look the history of that from 1928 they are very much accustomed to cycles of Oppression many time government have oppressed them they will go in hiding mode again they will come so after 1967 we can see that there’s a growth of pan

Islamism or there is a growth of we can say what we tell Islamic idea grows uh 1967 the year 1967 was a turning point for the entire West Africa and North West Asia and North Africa region cuz when you look exactly Muslim Brotherhood originated from North Africa from Egypt later it expanded to

We can see in Jordan it is present as a political party Jordanian government tolerates it in Syria it exists as a opposition opposition to the back party so Muslim Brotherhood you can see also in Kuwait so it have expanded across the region and in uh actually it took armed

Resistance or ar armed terrorism we can say sometime against the regim even in 1970 something Syria conducted a brutal military campaign against Muslim Brotherhood so here we must understand the Nuance against Israel the Arab block there is seculars there is the Arab nationalist there is Muslim Brotherhood Syria have conducted

Military campaigns against Muslim Brotherhood members and there was a massacre called Hama Massacre so the thing is very nuanced it is not like what we say oh it is Jewish Arab problem no this very an so anyway after 1967 the pan arabism or Nazism got a big

J and conservatism and all start to grow and from there you can observe one thing now as nism got defeated now even B party came to power in both our uh Syria and Iraq the other ironical thing is that so-called Arab Unity part is there in Syria and Iraq they were fighting each

Other they have their own tough fights even Egypt and uh Syria tried a union in 1958 it was called United Arab Republic it existed merely for three years after that they divorced because this Unity you can say you can draw map and say unity in practically is not difficult it is very

Difficult so this way Muslim Brotherhood grown then another thing critical thing I have to say is that I have missed early but I’m telling now after 1967 war Israel size expanded some s say Israel Israel’s size expanded that means more and more settlements were coming into place not directly settlement geographically the

Region controlled by Israel increased okay one of the big strip is the uh this thing the seni peninsula after 1967 was captured from Egypt okay Point number one the Goan Heights was captured from Syria the entire the West Bank and the Jerusalem was captured by uh from Jordan Jordan so that time in

1967 war Jordan lost the other part of Jerusalem so Jerusalem we have two parts East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem in 1948 Israel captured was Jerusalem Jordan was controlling is Jerusalem up to 1967 Jordan was kept controlling is Jerusalem after that it lost that also so when you look the

Jerusalem it have the most holiest site the first holiest site of uh Judaism I mean it have the remnants of the Solomon temp second Hol site of Christianity it have that the third Hol site of Islam after Mecca and Madina there is a MOS called Al akka okay mid

Al this MOS is it is where believed to be Prophet did his journey to heaven in Bak so it is very important for Muslims where is this situated in Jerusalem in Jerusalem and unfortunately or and think this Al MOS is constructed in the place where Solomon’s Temple was

There and that is important to uh both Jews Jews and Muslims and Muslims so was it Muslims who destroyed Solomon’s Temple no there was not even Christians were not strong stronger that time Islam was not Islam was actually 500 years or 600 years after it was Romans who

Destroyed the Solomon Temple M but later this region came under Christians and Muslims and Masjid Alka that compound is there so I’m telling based on the opinion of the professor so earlier earlier there was the temple okay Temple then after that there was this mosque Temple was there in ad70 it was

Destroyed it was raised by Romans Romans and and on the relics of that on the relics of that comes the mosque in after sixth Century or sth Century after s Century big gap okay there’s a big gap actually but at that site only means it is not that that Arabs

Converted the Solomon’s Temple to mosque no okay that was not it was destroyed already so we have a debate in India that there are temples uh and uh there are mosques and if you go on like like in what is happening in uh Banaras now Gan wapi mazid and there are relics

Of temples you can find inside it same is with ram Mand yeah in aoda so it was not that some Temple was destroyed and at the same time just after destruction of the temple a mosque was made it was not like this it was not like that

Actually okay there was a huge gap six seven Century Century was there later only I mean Islam originated only in 632 I mean 6 after 600 8600 then only in 637 this region come under the physical control of GS so this Temple was Destro in 70 that time Jews were what we thrown

Out of the region were exiled so this is the basic conflict because now there are many Jews many extremist Jews who want to renovate the the Solomon’s Temple Temple of Solomon so fine you create Temple of Solomon we want to create there itself but if you want to create the

Temple there you want to demolish Masjid alas it is like what we calling a war against 2 billion Muslims so the current debate about that place is that for three religions it is important I suggest the every viewers to look the map of Jerusalem when you look the map

Of Jerusalem is roughly a rectangle roughly a square in that Christian s is on the uh what we tell if I look like this it is on the left side Christian quarter and Armenian quarter m there is no dispute about that there is a Christian quarter there are some

Christian churches there is no dispute on that but in other side in the right side of that Muslim quarter and Jewish quarter their claims are actually lying in between especially the Jewish claim over the destroyed second temple of Solomon on the top side of that this

Masjid Alaska and it is created so it is very I’m repeating the saying it was not destroyed by Arabs but still that place or that is when you speak the real estate of theology real estate of theology that is the one big controversial Point okay and the big

Dispute is between one section of Jews who want to create the temple and Muslims the argument of Muslims is that the compound is for Muslims only compound is for Muslims so some section of Jewish politicians are rising we must have shared sovereignity okay religions must share it that’s some section of

Jews come to prayer there in front of the wall now in front of the wall wall so this Masid Alka was under the Jordanian control up to 67 after 67 the control of the region is under Israel okay but as Israel and Jordan have underground relation I mean

They have understanding the wag property is managed by Jordan monarchy okay even after the Israeli occupation of the city the properties managed by by Jordan okay so the the property is in Israel but managed by the wak Board of Jord Jordan in which the Jordanian kingar hus is okay so it’s a

Israel have no problem with this Israel have no problem with Hussein’s control but certain section of Israeli Jews especially conservative Jews the hardliners hardliners they want now the thing to be shared okay the m to be shared I mean that compound to be shared the har it’s called Haram Shar so so for

A better understanding for example there’s uh mosque which is very important and holy to Muslims it’s not about mosque it’s about a surrounding also the whole compound that that is controlled by the W of board of Jordan inside that only the Solomon Temple wall exists inside that compound is I think

Outside but inside that under that under that there is actually the remnance of the old Temple old Temple okay that is the reason the Jewish hardliners are asking want Temple there itself yes to construct that you have to demolish the MOs mosque but any attack on mosque I’m

Telling is a history it will unite the two billion Muslims Muslims all together and it is actually diplomatic disaster for Israel itself yes so this is the main Convention of Jerusalem is between actually Jewish and Muslims and if you see now Jew uh Israel is doing bilateral relations with Saudi

Also and other Arab states also so it doesn’t seem to be a religious War anymore but they are against Palestine and and Hamas especially not against Palestines but against Hamas which is a terrorist group those people are Arabs but rest of the Arab countries such as Saudi doesn’t have a problem Egypt

Doesn’t have a problem with Israel because they are doing U bilateral talks and peace talks and other kind of uh uh transactions what do you say about it actually we will come into that I mean it is on the coming discussion so what I’m saying this is the basic religious

Dispute about a site okay so when we speak about after 67 War again you Israel is expanding so me then other wave of refugees were created M so who is absorbing this refugees this Arab states Jordan received many refugees when you look the per capita number of

Refugees Jordan is one of the country which cost highest per capita number of refugees 7% of jordanan population is refugees pales ref and they are giving them equal rights Jordan is the only country which give equal rights here rhetoric and reality matters every country will say we have Arab Unity and

All I’m asking how many refugees will I mean tell even gatar won’t I mean alj is on by gatar gatar won’t be ready to take even in Syria and other place you don’t get equality and and this equality which is given by Jordan so this Refugee population is from many countries or

Only coming from Palestine the Palestine region okay inside Jordan Society there is a big there is a big number of people or big percentage of population whose ancestry is from pales okay even the Jordan Queen Ria she’s a Palestinian okay in Jordan when you look the business is ETC is very much dominated

By Palestinians while the government service and Military is dominated by jordanians there’s something called East Bank West Bank divide there inside Jordan okay East Bank means the proper jordanians West Bank means the Arabs who came later okay so after 1967 war you can see many refugees went to this place

M Syria Jordan and all some Arabs remain there but this region where Arabs are there they are treated as second class citizens here is a problem at the end of the day Israel is occupation Force so Arab face discrimination this is a big problem so Israel settlements were

Coming when settlements were coming the other people’s home will be demolished their Orchards will be captured so this is a big problem because more Arabs as Israel expand it is taking more Arabs into the population I’m telling one thing it’s a big simple example to say Imagine India

Have aat then can it be Hindu rra can’t be no because it will have Muslim population from Pakistan Afghanistan also and Bangladesh also it is that type of scenario M as they expand from the CI to Goan they have a huge Arab population okay some Arab population very few uh uh

What we tell they to take their citizenship and but others no so Israel give them residency permit thing is that that Refugee isues a big issue so they’re discriminated so when you look Israel is establishing more and more settlements settlements is a big problem till now as Israel established

More settlements I mean whether in West Bank Palestinians homes are demolished that’s a big human right issue imagine you are seeing your home get demolished your father getting brutalized there is no wonder tomorrow you are the suicide bomber of course and when you had the flavor of religion also and of course

Distorted view of the religion which is promoted by certain mulas with certain Western interest so something so this Refugee issue man is a big problem there Israel occupation so Israel expands that time Israel is in a big cheering mood because they want a big war after that

Time Israel America relation de and what was the reason for that because America view Israel as is a very valuable Al Israel earned the respect we defeated this much Nations three four nations in six days but what is the wasted interest of America what America is going to gain from Israel

America what is gain because Russia is reaching out to Arab countries okay Syria Egypt so enemy of them my enemy is my friend so for America Israel is a big CL we can say client or big friend in the region Israel is also near Canan

Also I mean Israel is a good friend so America Israel relation got deepen after that this can be also explained by the demography current Israel population is I remember it is 84 lakh in the 72 lakhs are Jews then some Arabs are there some minority Christians and other religion

Is called duus is there so Israel is a Jewish majority country that’s reality after Israel many Jews are there in America okay so Jews are very affluent section in America Jews Rich one rich one Jews are a strong Lobby there they have political lobbies called ipac America Israel public affairs committee

Anti defamation leag ADL so in America lobbying matters now we have something called Samosa cus okay that means Indian Lobby Indian Lobby is very very what do we tell minute is lby isra Lobby have a huge influence in America and inside America there are section of Christians called Evangelical Christians okay Evangelical Christians

Are big sanist when you speak about the term sanist scientist is a person who believes that isra Jews have a right to come to the so-call Holy Land and establish their control so in that process the local Arabs are marginalized that is a big

Issue you need not be a Jew to be a scientist there are Christian Scientist certain section of Christians especially Evangelical Christians who believe that establishment of Israel is necessary for Jesus to come again okay it’s a matter of Faith then H then every Jew is not a

What Jesus has to do with Jews this is actually this is actually one of the what irony and here comes I belief will come as a stupidity I will tell stupidity because nothing is proved I a Believer I what is the basis of this thinking that establishment of a

Jew State and Jew Jewish land in Jerusalem is important for Jesus to come back it is actually uh in some section of Christians every I me tell in as I’m saying every religion have a belief in the end of the world I’m first telling Hindu view so that the majority of

Viewers can get it we have something called kuga kuga kuga Everything Is bad I think 75% of people is bad who will come Ki will come to establish the order m so every religion have a belief in some apocalyptic yeah something will come at

The end of the day end of life what is going to happen evil will increase and then the Savior will come Ki will come vishnu’s 10ad I’m not equalizing but I’m telling so the majority of the audience can understand it in Christianity certain section have a believe Jesus will come

In the end of the world and certain section of Evangelical Christians believe that for Jesus to come Israel must be established Israel must be established for that so Jesus is going to come in Israel they believe that the establishment of Israel is prerequisite for the second arrival of Jesus

Christ okay in other section in Muslims have a belief there is another there’s something called Imam Mahi does does Muslims doesn’t have any of this uh view like Ibrahim may come back Prophet may come back we are coming into that mhm as per Muslims Imam Mahi

Will come IM means in the end period it is called kyamat period like our kuga world is full of corruption oppression every problem Imam M will come and as per various interpretation first of all I’m not a theologist even even if I’m a Christian I can’t even speak about

Christianity very authoritatively as I don’t know much in Islam as far from my speeches and all I got is that Imam Mahi will come and uh there will be a war with Jews some Muslims believe that there will be apocalyptic war with Jews so both this Evangelical section and

Some section of Muslim believe in this end period belief so here belief get too much intertwined with politics many you can see in Israel many Evangelical Christians from Western countries come to there they believe that world is coming to end similarly you can see many videos in which Muslim

Preachers are saying world is coming to end Imam is going to come so it is more about religion and when you speak about religion more it is basically about it is not so rational so this religious beliefs also matter okay so this is the religious basis anyway so this is happening so

After 1967 American Israel become very close when you look America Israel Israel is the ma for the country for the country Israel America have used the maximum number of Vos in un Security Council yes maximum number of Vos America used to is m whatever technology America develops in

Uh in the in the country they will share with Israel America always ensure that Israel have a qualitative Edge in the military America will ensure that there are many people in America Jews I mean who in America there is a belief you can be both the American Patriot and Israeli

Patriot okay we can say in term double loyality I mean it is very controversial time but say even Lincoln said one thing last day I am a Jew first then I am an American so in America Jews I mean America Jews are in many good very big positions they have much influence there

So is it only because of the lobby or also because America wants uh to counter Russia in the Arab world it’s both it’s both one is the American po domestic constituency Evangelical Christians Jewish influence both are very strong another sense geopolitically Israel is a Big Al of America from 60s you can see

67 so Israel America is very close do you know during 1973 War I believe have any Nation go unpunished when they attacked the American ship and killed American Sailors no no accidentally Israel killed American Sailors in during 1973 I they killed I think it was USS Liberty but

There was no so much action because it is valuable Al even in the current conflict the American one of the largest aircraft carrier in the world USS Gerald Fort came init it is a political signal from America that Israel have our back it is Ironclad relationship between

Israel America so after 1970s we can say Israel and America are more deep whether it is by lobbying in America every politician wants uh the support political support So Jews are a big constituency there so you can’t be take so much anti-jewish decision there or anti-israeli decision

There let me be more precise so Jewish Lobby is very strong America is very strong so America and Israel got very much close after 1970 you can see nasar passed away so one of the Arab nationalist who said that who will put Israel into Mediterranean he became a

Memory after 1970 you can see Egypt got a big change Egypt and new president came G called Anar Sadat he was more a Believer president he accommodated Muslim Brotherhood actually and the next context is that the next war is that 1973 War this the third war 48 sorry fourth War

48 56 Su War 1967 June War 1973 it is called Yom kipur War okay Yom kipur is a religious Festival of Jews or it is also called Ramadan war or Raman War it was coinciding with Raman this time Israel was actually unprepared just 50 years ago now we saw

This operation Alor operations word 50 years ago Israel was very confident that time oh nothing will happen we are so much Invincible nothing will happen here that time both Egypt and Syria got it Egypt was under Syria was under I remember I mean current ruler’s father Syria was also having bath

Party they planned a war and they plan to retake their territory for Egypt they want the uh SII Syria Wonder Goan they started an immediate War Israel was wondered actually initially Israel lost only after 2 three week Israel regain its strength and that time America also increas support later

Israel turned that b into success but still Egypt got some gains because he got some pride because they defeated Israel CU you look the psychology of the Egyptian Nation in’ 67 they were a vanquished people yes but in 73 turned so for you look the Egyptian Military

Military ring Egypt for them 73 war is something very proud and took part in that war it give them a sense of respect so the yamkipur hash Ramadan war was finished still Israel war but that time Western count supported Israel that time Arab countries took a decision they uh told that you Western

Countries are increasing supporting Israel you are not looking into Palestinian cause now we will increase the oil price okay there the oil price get increased by four times you can see the oil price hike happened that day and one author uh analyzed that it was the one of the

Biggest wealth transfer in the history of the world because you look every you look every Indian home some of the expenditure is LPG petrol or diesel yes when you look at Village when you look at District when you look at Country look how much foreign exchange we are spending for importing LPG LG

Petroleum look every country so that war actually increased the current account deficit of many countries many countries face economic crisis due to this this money is going to Arab countries especially for GCC countries it come as a bonanza because their wealth increase suddenly incre suddenly yes so this oil

Crisis was a big moment even countries like Saudi used it geopolitically because for them rather than Palestine their coffers are filling so they used it for their own purpose so you can see Arab countries sometime I mean they rhetoric matters even in case of refugee sometimes they won’t show that

Brotherhood so that time anyway in name of punishing Israel there’s a pragmatic move so that their own economy gets strength so this war ended with Israel success but still Egyptian morale was high because they show that Israelis are not so Invincible then the regional things changed Iraq as now B party Saddam

Hussein was Rising now nasar is not there so now nasar is not the enemy now Israel have new enemy it is Saddam Hussein Iraq under Saddam Hussein and Syria under Al when you look the history of Israel the father of Bashar Al Assad anytime they will have an enemy then

This Sadam now Iranian mulas yes anytime somebody will be there you understand up to 1979 Israel was having very positive relation with Iran Iran was under monarchy that time from 1953 to 79 Iran was under monarchy the monarchy was very much pro Israel it was Pro American also Pro

American also Yes actually America’s one of the greatest friends in the region was Saudi and Iran it was called two-pillar poliy these were the two pillars of America in the region and Israel and Iran it will be very difficult to believe this time that time they had I think it was called operation

Seashell something they were jointly developing weapons isra and Iran that time they were closes so the 73 War happened then the Arab world now still there there are problem then during 70s it was the as you said the Munich operation happened yes the Palestinian group they what we

Tell they assassinated many Israeli aats but you look one thing terrorism is a state policy sometimes it can be a state policy one of the KGB Chiefs have said in the current world where nuclear weapons have made War irrelevant terrorism must be our weapon sorry that

I can’t quote who has that anyway I’m sure when KGB had says this statement that time Palestinians were turning into terrorism terrorism means they were hijacking they were killing many other Jews many cians were getting killed this time there many instance where where Quadra Jew was killed because of e a g

So that time this uh Munich happened and Munich actually raise the consciousness of Israel Society M as I said they planned they did it they assassinated the conspirators later they go go behind you they will come behind you they will hunt you for sure yes they have done so

This Palestinian movement actually that time Palestinian movement when you speak it was led by a organization called PLO Palestine Liberation Liberation Organization yeah it was led by yasat yasat P was when you look P was more secular when you look Palestinian Liberation moments were of different

Type yasat is the same person who has good relation with indraa Gandhi in India exactly yeah when we speak about yasar yasar was a close front of Indira Gandhi in one speech Indira Gandhi compared sanism with racism she explicitly that time we had a good relation with Palestine we didn’t

Openly recognize Israel when we speak about India’s relation in 1950 we start a somewhat card only in 1993 we start publicizing it okay Israel had as far I remember a consulate in Bombay that time it was unofficial unofficial even Yas said one thing he said that when our

Arab comrades were not helping us India helped us this is what Yas but at the same time during uh 62 War during 65 War we bought uh weapons and ammunitions from Israel they helped us a lot of course the thing is that 62 naruu was up to

63u as I tellu is a good man I’m telling Naru is now much debated I will tell he was a very good person but the thing is that he was in a very bad neighborhood he was a good person at a bad time when we have Neu China have Mau and Pakistan

Have aan you know how geopolitically cing Mau is know how aan is in politics you won’t survive if you are a d you w survive you have to be cunning or you have to be cilia it is matter of survival so nahu was more of idealist n even said 62 oh you bring

Your weapon but don’t keep your flag imagine the level of idealism this is not in hindsight I’m not blaming but he a b idealist in one say it was practical because that time Israel was not this much strong now Israel is a startup Nation Israel have many patents super

Weapons vibrant economy that time isra was very small very weak State weak mean was very fragile state I mean any time threat that time in un what matters so Arab countries have at least 10 to 20 vs so neu’s decision was whether one Israeli V or 20 Arab V that’s why he

Took a decision to align with Arabs other thing Indian establishment very carefully took that they always took care that the Palestine issue must not get compared with Kashmir issue okay this is one of our biggest concern it must not get equated with Palestine I mean with this issue even we were having

Certain alleys in Arab countries like Saddam Hussein who supported India stand on Kashmir okay still you look so this was one of the reason why India one of the reason why India never was against Palestine and was always supporting it because if somebody comes up tomorrow and equates Kashmir issue with Palestine

Issue there will be a problem Pakistan every time try to compare that even though two are different cases two are like apple and orange so it it can be compared easily Pakistan always compared that Pakistan’s foreign policy was always like Islam based they’re trying to be so for Pakistan projected that

Both Palestina and Kashmir Islamic land now they are occupied by infal forces this is their narrative okay reality and rhetoric is different MH so what India was trying to be that because Arab countries are there we want to build friendship with them so we were trying more to be aligned with Arab countries

And for India that time until now also if any Muslim country is supporting India and Kashmir issue it is one of the what I will say holy grail which India wishes Kashmir is a very sensitive issue for every indan yes whether it is a small country like Mal or a superow like

America if you comment on cashmir it is our red line we won’t toate it we won’t toate yes whether you look Congress or BJP no no this is our red line no Kashmir is a very critical issue You Don’t lecture on us so that time Sadam supported India in Kashmir issue so

India was trying to what we tell trying to link with Arab world and Israel’s at that time Israel’s economy is not that much strong 7s only Israel started developing its Innovation so that time we were having some more ambiguous policy and we enjoyed a good relation with PLO so PL

Arrived then when you look PL Palestine Liberation Organization this consist of refugee Palestinians even yasar I think family land was taken when nakba happened so you know when you are a refugee you are desperate it is natural so they will fight first PL was located in Jordan in Jordan they began to develop

As a state within a state state within a state means they started challenging the authority of Jordan Monarch okay there were certain Palestinian group like popular front for the liberation of Palestine it leader was a Christian his name was George habash Christian Arab so Christian Arabs also fought against

Israel is not a religious issue religion is a factor but there are another nuans also even there are Jews who oppose the expansion of Israel there are many Jews and we can OB serve there are many Jews who support establishment of a Palestine State even conservative Jews they don’t

Support Israel why this why this distinction why do they support the hardliners leave the hardliners but why some of the Jews are not supporting the establishment of Israel because the these are extreme Jews I what I’m saying some Jews out of humanitarian consideration they support both States I

Mean both states must come in 1967 there was a resolution called 242 M it calls for that resolution you can observe it doesn’t mention the name of any state it mentioned that every state must respect others territorial integrity and right to existence it is a very vague UN resolution

242 right to existence means Arab countries have to recognize Israel right to exist means they must not be demolished I mean they must not be destroyed yes territorial Integrity can be re interpreted that Israel must give back the Golan and sini so un resolutions you look is very Ambiguously

Made very Ambiguously made so resolution 242 which came in 67 it was the first resolution which actually in a very implicit mode calls for defao recognition of Israel but Arab world what they did was after 1967 they met garu in Sudan they said three no no recognition no relation

No peace three no there is a very Hardline stat nor to Israel three NOS in G but as I have said certain Jews I told after humanitarian consideration they support establishment of both Israel Israel and Palestine many Jews are there many Jews even many Holocaust Survivors stood with the plight of Palestinian

People it is Humanity certain section of religious Jews oppose Israel because they see Israel as not religious it is a secular creation when you look Israel the initial sinist leers were very secular yes I’m comparing this David benorian was like Muhammad Ali J Muhammad Ali J was he’s known as the

Father of Pakistan but many will be knowing he was a pork eating he was a whiskey sipping Muslim Muslims don’t recognize him as Muslim he was very secular in his personal life similarly this both Theodor herel he actually did was not so observant Jew David Benin was

Not so religious Jew so the when we tell Israel and Jew it is very ambiguous this David is the same person who in Legends have defeated one of the Palestinian Giant and phian giant yes and and cut his head and in several photos we can see David holding that head and it has

Been advertised that way is David the same as you ask no no no no not that that David is historical Prophet okay I’m telling about modern leader David benorian benan was the initial leader of okay okay David David is a very important name it’s like Ram every Indian have many Indians have surname

Ram ram yes or Krishna like that David is important Prophet for them okay but this is David benan this another leader so I’m telling this Israel Palestine so this is issue so we were discussing about so after 73 War this thing happened then when you look after 1979

1979 is a critical year for the region critical year because you know Israel still they survive they’re surviving nasar is dead three things happened in 1979 in the West Asia region which defined the world now one is Islamic revolution in Iran which toppled the progressive socially Progressive but politically what we tell

Corrupt and suppressive pahal Dynasty because the politically that regime was very corrupt and common people were not benefiting in 1979 this Mecca Siege happened in Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia one person told that himself that I have seen Mahi Saudi Arabia was developing actually with oil money so as oil money

Came people’s life improved television came radio came people start mixing each other schools came Mal came certain hardliners feel that oh people are mixing woman and man are mixing these are un Islamic so a person his name wasi he told I am the mahadi the Saudi is fake

Fake Muslim I am the real Muslim then he actually captured some parts of Mecca was a big issue after that Saudi started being more conservative to show that I am K Muslim it’s about the fight for legitimacy like we say k Hindu I’m K Muslim like I’m using the word Kat

Because it is a North Indian term me they start to become more conservative they start osing the hijab manual very strictly hijab this so my aunt was there in Saudi I’m telling when she her nikab was uh loosed she got a beating okay my aunt was there

30 years ago that time after 1980 you can observe due to the mecca Siege Saudi was so feared that Saudi rers become more conservative to show that we are real conservative Muslims this sees happened under the leadership of Saudi family or Saudi family was ruling Saudi a random person random person came up

And Saudi family is a very uh powerful family they hold and they could not do anything in this regard actually Saudi is politically they are very rich I mean politically they are I mean they are unchallenged as of now economically they are rich but regarding when you look the

Security of Saudi they were actually under American umbrella you can see 1990s uh King fad when Saddam Hussein attacked Kuwait he asked actually to America protect us so Saudi have a long standing relation with America I mean the Western Alliance yes so they feel threatened that 1979 this Mecca Siege happened

Because conservatives were resy so they must pacify the conservatives to pacify the conservatives you must show that you are conservative so the gender mixing were banned many conservatives okay so first thing was Iranian Islamic revolution second thing was this Saudi issue third thing was Soviet invasion of Afghanistan Afghanistan there was a

Political issue Soviet Union came it was a defact Invasion America’s other fear is that Russia is very strong Russia was very strong that time very Superior Russia was under brush I remember if Russia is kept controlling Afghanistan by domino effect what if tomorrow if they control Pakistan

What if then if they control India then Russian boots will come will wash their Russian soldiers will wash their boots in Arabian world yes America’s fear was oh Ria is expanding then to the current Indo Pacific it may come it is a fear so we must counter them that’s where America

Started helping the Afghan mujahidin it was with you look the support of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia and you can see a wonderful thing there Russia invasion of Afghanistan I’m mentioning this this is not out of topic that time Israel and Russia have a very bad relation you look must look the nuances

Every time Israel when defeat Arabs they will capture Arab arms many of the Arab arms are supplied by Soviet Union Soviet Union yes so they captured many arms from uh this P when you look the mujahidi that time it was Afghan mujahidin not Taliban per mujahidin was receiving economic aid

From Saudi Arabia from America America invited Afghan leaders in their uh Oval Office and said they are soldiers for Freedom the bin ladan family yes the bin ladan was active there then that time one of the country which supported weapons to muj was Israel okay you look the because Israel was support supplying

That weapons even China was supplying mujah that time China was supporting because China and Russia have issue so geopolitic is very nuanced and this is all uh against Russia to counter Russia to counter Russia in Afghanistan and of course it was a big trap for Russia because almost by one decade Russia lost

15,000 soldiers that means per year 1,500 soldiers yeah Russia and every war has lost soldiers so many human lives in First World War maximum soldiers second world war maximum people died 10% of the population in second 10% of the population I think the every people guy

Who burned in uh who was born in 1922 and 23 that generation yes still that gender imbalance on Russia in Afghanistan there is another trap so many of these Arab countries were involved in Afghanistan so they were called Afghan Arabs Afghan Arabs from Algeria from uh Egypt from Morocco from

Libya from Jordan that time the Jihad became a global Enterprise this is a place where it became a big political tool the America America actually funded the propaganda saying the book there is a speech of brinsky American I think NSA you can watch this in YouTube he’s saying to

Mujah hey look the Border there is your home there mosque go there so this called free world soal free world West were arming this muj and many Arab countries were also involved including Saudi why I am saying this I’m not taking the discussion away to Central Asia after Russia withdraw

1989 these guys were battle Harden they were called Afghan Arabs many Arabs from Morocco Algeria went there then they returned to here returned to their home and one of the person who return return was Osama bin okay then they started turning against the government ala the Arab meaning of the

Term ala is the base okay there a company name of b h then this terrorism start challenging the Muslim countries itself there was a company name of Bin lad actually it was actually Bin Laden was an entrepreneur and and UHS he was a civil engineer he was a

Banker I’m not a fan of Bin ladan he is a big criminal he is a big but tell nothing justify still knowing about him uh he was in construction business also actually when you look the bin Laden’s life Bin Laden Bin Laden was born as a

Seon of a big family M bin ladan family is a big family they are a conglomerate they have many business so his mother was a Syrian his childhood was very traumatic so he was born he was very religious student from his childhood so he managed a good business construction

Business he was a civil engineer so he was a big entrepreneur he was very rich during Afghan Jihad he was so much inspired he came to Afghanistan his hiding was Tabora mountains yes he hid there he was one of the successful Jihadi veteran there with his bare hand he have killed Russian

Generals he used to boss that so after the destruction of Soviet Union this is also I am telling other than geopolitic psychology matters a rack militia called mujahid or the global jihadist came there they have a feeling that we defeated a world power how this can happen this is intervention of

Allah okay this is where psychology matters H they believe that Divine help happen and we are conquered to be so this is the mindset of the modern Jihadi Enterprise They believe that we defeated the help of divine div we defeated America this is what we are feared when something after Afghanistan

Islamist in Kashmir will create then we can defeat India this is a psychology things are different I’m saying so this happens and this thing came to every Arab country in future you can see this uh Terror elements will haunt the life of Anar sabat and I think hos also across

The world the region you can see Algeria face Algeria was not supporting mujahidin but they face islamist issue Libya Gaddafi failed many opponents in islamist in Jordan also I mean they return so this spirit I told the Iran the big change happened Iran was one of

The front of Israel here you must look the Israeli foreign policy when you look the Israeli foreign policy Israel was was situated in leant leant means in side of Syria uh Palestine Jordan Egypt then uh Egypt ah these countries then beyond that you can see Iraq so for Israel Israel is situated in

The core and in the core you have complete enemies whether Egypt was enemy that time yes uh Syria was enemy so outside the cor there is periphery turkey Iran so Israel have a philosophy from 1950s called doctrine of the periphery or Alliance of the periphery okay for Israel you look turkey turkey

Is Muslim but not Arab yes secular Iran is Muslim but not Arab hm M so as per Israeli this this thing what is called uh doctr of the periphery they cultivated good relation with regime of tury turkey was the first Muslim country to recognize Israel I remember it is in

48 Iran was having a very good relation with Israel similarly within Arab countries Israel cultivated tide with non-arabs like marinite Christians in Lebanon they were good friends with Israel kurs in Iraq you can see Israel shared a good relation with kurus in Iraq so they shared which all who all

Are enemy of Arabs they arant that’s called doctrine of the periphery turkey Iran then uh you can see marites Marin Christians in Lebanon then this kurs in uh Iraq and you can also see a small Israeli intervention was there in Sudan Israel support in black Christian rebels

In Sudan Sudan is Sudan have two part Northern Arabic part and Southern Christian enem part Israel also supported actually decolonization of Sudan decolonization of South Sudan Israel are supporting the rebel movement in South Sudan it was actually a success in 2011 they achieved Independence in 1979 a big change

Happened for Israel the biggest enemy is coming it is Iran okay and mulas are actually very much and is one of their M and this was a very Sudden Change Sudden Change Sudden Change mean 1979 there was one regime which was thrown away American people have to uh you know escap yes

Push themselves out and escape and that movie AR and uh and soon after that the whole anti-semitic uh emotion got built anti-israel em motion got built it was very sudden in Iran the loss of Iran as Al as a big loss because the entire concept of doctrine of the periphery

That’s based on we will have friendship with non-arabs or non-muslims Iran was a biggest T because they were having good trade they were selling oil weapons Etc Iran turned isra and you can see the manifestation in Lebanon because in 1980s there were some issue in Lebanon I’ve told you once this PL

Was based on Jordan they challenged the Jordan King then Jordan King suppressed them Jordan have killed more Palestinians than Israel okay so operation called operation Black September jordanians who have the uh one of the biggest Refugee population of Palestinians and gives equal rights have killed more Palestinians than Israelis of

Course because Palestinians in Jordan were challenging one of the big mistake I can say Palestinian refugees are doing in any region they reach they involved in politics and they got enemity from the people first example is Jordan they challenge that if you are imagine I’m going as a refugee you must at least

Don’t question the host you must live I mean you must live there many actually Palestinians were challenging Jordanian monarchy so in 1970s they have an operation called operation Black September in which our neighbor Pakistan Pakistan’s leader sihak played a role I don’t know whether it is military role or other

Role in that almost 20,000 or 30,000 Palestinians were killed okay and many refugees were pushed to Lebanon here comes the other issue then the pl’s base was changed to Beirut Lebanon Lebanon was already facing issue because I told it is a Christian majority country the ruling was based on Christians were

Dominating the politics now a huge influx of Palestinian Muslims is coming so Lebanon was having its own Civil War then that time P was using Lebanon as a base when you look the map you can understand Lebanon is in the North of Israel okay so P was using Lebanon as a

Base to attack Israel so isra was fearing that poo will use as a base that time there was assassination attempt on Israeli uh Diplomat I think in London by a person who is from an organization called Abu nidal organization take notice it is not related with

PL but Israel used it as opportunity oh our Diplomat is getting harmed we can use this opportunity to destroy the pl base in be in leanon so now in 1982 you can see Israel invaded Lebanon Israel invaded happen in Lebanon is very complicated demography one you have Christians marinite Christians Greek Christians Orthodox

Christians some section of Armenian Christians Sunni Muslims Shia Muslims okay Shia Muslims in Lebanon were very poor people very poor very marginalized they will have a political movement called Amal movement it was not so and isra it was actually to better the of sh so when Israel came to Lebanon actually many

Shia Muslims were welcoming Israel okay so then now you are you will free us from the oppressors they were welcoming I mean I in a book I read that they were welcoming isra troops with flag and rice it’s a condition that time you know it is 82 79 Islamic revolution came in

Iran they started helping then Israel did atrocities you can see Israel was allign with Lebanese Christian militia called fanges I’m saying both of them did atrocities one side this Christian militia massacred many Muslims it’s called Shaban chaa massre was a very brutal Massacre similarly P also massed many

Christians but that is not much discussed actually I’m telling the discussion is very skewed actually you can also see p also massed many Christians so it became a Christian Muslim war or a left right War big war that time Iran started strengthening hisbah his Allah means hisb Allah party of

God okay so that time Iran Iranian Ambassador I don’t remember his name Iran sent his Ambassador and and hisbah is stationed originated from uh W South Lebanon south of Lebanon which is to the North of Israel and where where the West Bank and other things not West Bank it

Is North of Israel North of Israel West Bank on the on the west west bank is on the west side West Side okay West Bank is on the Eastern side of Israel Eastern side of Israel it’s the West Bank because it’s the west side of Bank the

Eastern Bank is with Jordan Jordan yeah West Bank Israel captured after 67 okay so as the is occupation lengthened in Lebanon as we remember they got disengaged after uh one two decades only there were much atrocities so the Shia population who are very poor who are even stage of welcoming Israel turned

And Israel okay Iran help isbah hisbah when you look I’m telling when you look the militant groups in world it is the one of the sophisticated militant groups so near 19 when we speak about 19798 to 1982 we can see different things first thing is that once Egypt under Gamal

Abdul nazah was one of the main opponent of Israel M as a nasar himself said that I will capture Palestine even though it is filled in blood H in 1979 Egypt under new president Anar Sadat normalized the relation with Israel that is a big change in the

Region because For the First Time an Arab country is normalizing with Israel I mean it is almost now I will say 45 years something go it was Unthinkable and it was mediated by America United States of America okay while once Egypt was a St Aly of Russia

Or Soviet Union under Anar Sadat Egypt was changing its orientation know under Anar s Egypt’s foreign policy itself changed cuz you can see that continuity right now once Egypt was a stch Al of Soviet Union he Egypt expelled every Soviet military advisers and it was Anar Sadat who actually started the economic

Liberalization of Egypt it was the same Sadat you must observe he was actually not so secular as Nazar Nazar he was called the believer president he agreed more freedom for the Muslim Brotherhood okay that time Muslim Brotherhood was more accommodated mhm and he have some credit

Of the 1973 War okay because Egypt got some even though they were defeated they got some success so in 1979 under the mediation of America in Camp David America mediated Egypt Israel normalization Egypt Israel normalization imagine just two decades ago this Egypt called for the destruction of

Israel and this is all happening after 1979 when the major shift took place in 1978 actually this normalization happened but in by end of 80 now Egypt and Israel were moving somewhat closer and as a what we tell result Egypt gradually vacated Cai Peninsula okay when we look the map after

1967 Egypt was occupying C pul and at that point Gaza Strip was the part of Egypt or it was the part part of Palestine up to 67 it was part of Egypt and what happened how did it break from 67 I have told you Israel captured sini

Okay on the way CI it is Gaza so entire region came under Israeli occupation military occupation yes but then this strip is called to be under Palestine actually that time it is the part of Palestine it was to be the part of Palestine practically it was under uh

Israeli military occupation okay Gaza as well as SII SII both so Anar s actually he thought thought first as a Egyptian then as Arab M for him the immediate priority was we must get our CI back so as a part of this normalization Egypt was the first Arab

Country to normalize with Israel okay gradually Israel disengage from the SII and SII was given back to Egypt Egypt so that level confidence K but you can see one thing here whenever there is Arab Israel normal M I am observing this from 50s whenever some leader did some move there are extremist

Both in Islamic sections as well as Jewish sections I’m telling the first king of Jordan it is said so it is still under discussion was assassinated by a person who has enraged about Jordan’s cooperation with isra he was killed in I think he was assassinated in 1951 I remember MH Anar

Sadat was killed by a I mean by a terrorist M his name was KH islami he was Egyptian Military office so islamist were inside Egypt military Anar Sadat become the Marti VI because he normalized with Israel imagine then after that you can see Egypt and Israel till now government

To government they Shar good relation okay they have mutual trust H they even cooperate against the IND the Gaza and all but when you look Egypt is under military role military have entr so much in Egypt m in the economics when you look the People to People aspect Egypt Israel relation is very

Cold CU people to people there is no much relation but government to government the relation is good and you can see many Israelis coming to tourism for Egypt and all so Egypt one of the biggest for turned to be a willing friend other thing happened one of the

Member of periphery Iran after 1979 andas turned against Israel I told you one of their great not greatest biggest M marabar America marabar Israel death to America death to Israel then one of the defining moments of the 1980s was actually in Iran Iraq war when you look the foreign policy of

Israel for Israel it was a win-win situation why I say so because Iraq under Saddam husin after the death of Nazar and all now the center of Arab nationalism went to Bagdad Saddam Hussein was promoting the Palestinian cause Okay so the Sadam was very close to Yas very close Sadam had big

Plans Saddam was developing a nuclear bomb he had a reactor called osirak reactor M here you can you must see the nuances on one side the Iran under the Islamic rule Islamic Republic is against Israel Iraq under Saddam Hussein is also there in but Iran and Iraq start a war in

1980 they were fighting each other both Iran and Iraq because due to territory ideology because when Iran came under the Shia rule or I mean say the rule of ayas then they began to promote a philosophy of Islamic revolution they are exporting their Revolution ideology when you look the

Demography of Iraq it is very complicated when you look Iraq I will say Iraq was I think 50 60 it was Shia something 20 something it was Sunni so when you look the religious demography Sadam was a Sunni he was from exactly TI as person called Ti a Sunni

Majority a Shia majority country was ruled by a Sunni so after this 1980 Saddam got feared that any time Islamic revolution will come here so he attacked Iran Iran Iraq start 8year brutal War so why I am discussing here for Israel actually it was a breather because both Sadam was a

Threat to Israel as well as Iran was a threat to Israel H San was developing I told you San was developing many weapon program one was Project Babylon it was a very high range artillery when Canadian engineer was working his name was Gerard bull he was assassinated by m in Belgium they

Assassinated they want him any time don’t work in this he didn’t care they the another thing is that Iraq was developing a nuclear rect it name was Oak you know Iran and Israel are enemies but they cooperated here to bomb Iraqi nuclear reactor there was Operation called operation Opera in which Israeli Air

Force bomb Iraqi nuclear react okay so the nuclear development is a year-long process it is not simple thing the enrichment it is very scientific progress process it takes time one of the Israel’s foreign policy is Israel have a defacto nuclear Monopoly in the region H tell me which country have

Nuclear bomb in the region no one no one as Israel have the nuclear bomb they have the qualitative Edge or the quantitative Edge so Israel don’t allow any country to develop nuclear weap whether it is Iraq and Sadam in 2007 Syria tried to develop nuclear weapon

With the help of North Korea North Korea that time who bombed Israel when Iran is developing nuclear weapon who will be the greatest getting so much tensed is Israel so this is a big thing this nuclear def facto nuclear M so in the war actually drag both of the countries Iran and Iraq

For Israel it was a win-win situation on one side Israel even sold arms to Iran there was a big conty called Iran Contra deal Israel was actually selling the American weapons to Iran because American Congress didn’t officially approve the sale of weapons and that money America used to fund some

Rebels in Latin America called Contra Rebels okay America soft power is too very huge I will say in childhood I have played a game called super contra maybe you also have played is a game called super contra actually contas were very reactionary Rebels supported by America

I think in nicaragu I think so this America Iran and Israel they played a triangle so the same time Iran called for death to America death to Israel they were receiving American weapons Israel was playing a mediator Israel was earning bucks and on one side you can see in

Lebanon this was to fight Iraq Iraq so in a way Iraq was a bigger threat to Israel than Iran that time that time Iraq was better isq then American policy is different America was arming Iraq also everybody was arming everything and they were earning BS so the other thing with he

Observe is that on one side Lebanon the Israeli occupation is going on they have their own Alys called falangist so there hisbah gr strength so this hisbah actually conducted a terrorist attack in 1983 which forced the American France to withdraw their troops it almost killed I think 300 something troops hisbah was

Emerging as a power gun and they began to use the strategy of suicide Bombay which are said suicide is very much Bann in Islam suicide himself itself is UN Islamic but you know Islam is I mean how the uh what we tell mulas Define it so hisbah tried this tactic and actually

They were getting a bloody nose in Lebanon so hisbah reputation grow in Lebanon lean Shia flocked in isbah it was a political organization it was economic organization isbah provide you Cradle to grave welfare system hisbah have W troops this Lebanese war ended by starting of 19

0 and the power was reh I mean now the power in the power mechanism Muslims were also given High sh so Lebanese war ended in such a way that hisbah was allowed to maintain their arms okay so from a simple political party or something hisbah grown as a state within a state in

Lebanon when you look Lebanon hisbah controls many region they have their own troops as per some estimates hisbah have 1 to 1. 5 lakh Rockets they have bought from Russia China Etc through Iran the Rockets include I think cornet not coret uh this thing katusa uh then fuder very

Effective rockets and this was in which year when it grown so big inside during 1980s it started the growth okay and when the Lebanese war ended hisbah was one of the winner okay it became a Lebanese War which you are seeing is the Civil War of Lebanon Civil War of

Lebanon in which Israel plays a role Israel was occupying South Lebanon later it was forced to withdraw Israel actually withdraw from Lebanon you know in 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon to throw out p and that Israel actually I think after 1990 they withw because it was becoming too

Costly another thing is that what I observe is that in Islamic countries the death of a person sometimes it is celebrated yes there is a person called hassanah who is a leader of isah he lost his son to Israeli forces but he said it is a success he’s a

Marer but in Western countries and Israel I’m telling as the more body backs are returning public opinion will grow against the war yes this is a big psychological impact till now so on one side Egypt is normalizing one side Iran Iraq they are weakening each other on

One side Lebanon hisbah is going why I am mentioning hisbah this ISB is the greatest threat to Israel right now cuz they have entrench in the southern Lebanon they are now actually like a state within a state his have their own justice system their own satellite TV Al

Manar their own television Al they have their own military force their own Agriculture Center their own bank everything it is a state within a state so his buah grown by 1980s un his buah is growing another thing was happening in in 1987 one important thing happened

1987 uh when we look the is isra and Palestine that time Gaza and West Bank used to be Palestine Palestinians are there so actually when you look the economic angle Palestinian labor is very cheap to Israel so they used to get permit and come to work this is a

Defacto agreement because they are also earning so that time I don’t know whether it is highh handedness of the Israel Defense Forces four Palestinian workers were killed by a isar truck okay then it grew as a big mov it was called first in or first mass strugle from 1987 to

1993 that time up to that time the PLO was the main actor The palestin Liberation Organization that time actually new organization came it was the outgrow of outgrowth of Muslim Brotherhood in the region it was mainly based on gasa it is now known as Hamas okay okay and and in some or the

Other way Muslim Brotherhood was supporting hasbullah to grow no no Muslim Brotherhood is actually basically a Sunni organization okay hisbah is a Shia organiz organization that is the difference so they don’t have that connection that time CU When you look the geography hisbah is in North of

Israel M yes this uh Hamas is growing in Gaza an extreme Southwest South yes so that time when you look Hamas was actually it was a Muslim Brotherhood like charity organization so brother Hamas is the offshoot of Muslim Brotherhood up to 1987 they were not involved in itics okay they know like

Like marriage service charity service education everything because you know there is a no state so they will fill the vacuum after 1987 the struggle is so much the people are struggling you can see Palestinian flag what is the color black red and green green yes that one

Of the main protest was showing uh watermelon watermelon have green red and black black so it was a very common protest then the protest grow in such a manner that actually Hamas began to grow so Hamas ideology is very different from pl’s ideology Hamas founder was

Shik ahammed yasi and Hamas you can say they’re more religiously fanatic while Yas as more secular more liberal they want a secular Palestine and they even have Christian members and all Hamas want Islamic State what was the view of Hamas that time is that no Israel entire area is Palestines that’s work of

Property Jews must go so that time actually many uh experts say that Israel helped the growth of Hamas so that Palestinian movement get divided so this intifa happened it became a big threat to Israel because it was not easy to suppress common people were part of it this the way it is not

About armed insurgents and one thing you can see that one of the weapon which used by both by child and very old Palestinians is throwing Stone yeah throwing Stone have a different sense in utilitarian sense uh throwing a stone don’t cost that much which is not like a

Missile or something you can get it easily in religious sense in Islamic view throwing stone is what whom we throw stone stone is to Satan Satan that we are seeing in the me that H so Israel is as a SAT so this throwing Stone protest gr actually this is very popular

And the thing that digital media is there Israel is very finding it very difficult to justify the casuality common people are becoming victim so thata isra is getting very much volatile up to 6 year this in was there so Hamas was growing then when you look 1990s you can see the disintegration of

Soviet Union so actually when Soviet Union’s policy I will say initially they were supported of supporting Israel in 48 later they moved to Arabs after the 1967 war they withdraw they stopped every relation with Israel they were completely with Arabs after 1990 then Soviet Union Russia was the successor state with the

Disintegration of Soviet Union a lot of Jews in Russia the Earth Soviet Union like Russia aeran Georgia as well as the Eastern block countries like uh something Poland belar they used to immigrate Israel isra okay population increased further it’s population I think near 1 million when

You look Israel now Russian is one of the top language okay so the Israel’s genetic pool is now very diverse many Russian Jews came here so by 1990 Israel have another set of immigration from Russians so you know Israel population is increasing as the population is increasing they need more land so same

With Israel settlement activity in GR in 1990 then there were attempts for peace there were a m Madrid peace conference and the other discussion was going in Oslo Oslo is a capital of Norway nor discussion and it was also actually America played a role that time Israeli leader was Rabin jkas Rabin and

Palestine’s leader was Yas Oso was a big change because in Oso for the first time Palestine Liberation Organization recognize that we recognize isra okay imagine two people are negotiating and PLO is the main political negotiator for Palestine that yes P party so to negotiate you must recognize your party before that P was

Saying everything is Palestine no Israel now they are ready we are ready for compromise so America have a played role in a mediation and everybody was present in this Oslo declaration Clinton came and other other Prime Ministers were Clinton was playing the role there is a photo Clinton is this both Rabin andat

Are hugging or shaking hand it was a big actually it was a very hopeful process what also says that both must respect each other so Hamas is stop sorry PL is stopping terrorism so as per OA Israel will be recognized by PL and a new Palestinian Authority will

Be formed to rule both the West Bank and gas okay so there comes the two- State solution it’s also called land for peace land for peace means the P says that okay we are ready to recognize Israel but give us the territory before 1967 war that means both the Gaza and

The West Bank West Bank so with East Jerusalem as capital because West Jerusalem is under isra East Jerusalem as capital so that where is the where where is the temple in the East or the west of the East also so there are much religious sites in the east no no the

Main temple on which the main Temple I think it’s in East the main religious on on which the mosque is made yeah alkaed as far I know it is in east east okay so Palestines one demand bu West Bank gasa and can they uh go from east to west

Very easily or there’s a border there are actually checkpoints I will tell why the checkpoints grow when you uh learn about 1997 you will understand why checkpoints grow M so the peace process happened it was a very moment of Reckoning everybody was very happy oh peace process going on but I have said

You whenever a peace process going on there are extremists in B I talk about the assassinat of Jordanian King it have some distant relation with some relation with Israel M assassination of uh anarat this time yakin was assassinated by a Jewish test okay understood within Israeli Society also there are extremists Jewish

Extremist like how this Islamic extremist view this kafir they also have term called go non they despise them so they assassinated him it was a big loss Rabin was assassinated then the peace process went but it was floundering actually and uh as per Oso settlement the West Bank was to be divided into

Three area area a B and C some areas was to be completely ruled by Palestine some area was to be ruled by Palestine but security thing will be looked by Israel other areas will be Israel will be ruling but Palestine Palestinians will be present just like a BC three SS

So the formula was land for peace Palestine will come based on East Bank West Bank and Gaza it was two State solution it was I think one of the Practical solution till now h when you look after 1990s uh then we can see that the new endan came in the politics he was

Benjamin nanyu he was of liquid party when you look the Israeli politics Israeli politics was initially dominated by this askani leadership this labor party after 1977 new party came it is liquid it is more rightwing compared to labor then you can see liquid party is actually a major party

Israeli Parliament canet have 120 seats now as far I know now when you look the Israeli politics it is very Coalition no party of absolute majority there is even a proverb like thing if there are two Jews there are three political parties is politics is so much like this

Coalation so when you look that you can look the entire political formation after 77 it is entirely what we tell this coalation so coalation have his dysfunction for small part part have a problem it is gone so nanyu came and the later thing which happened is that in

2002 one thing happened Israel leader Ariel Sharon visited alas okay then happened a second in then Hamas took so much aggressive this period starts the start of this suicide bombing my professor was there once he missed the best it was his luck there was a suicide bomb in that in

It and it busted out busted out he has miraculously saved because of his Good Fortune okay so the suicide bombing started and this was in Israel happening in Israel and these were Hamas suicide bombers Hamas were suicide they suicide bers I mean they can manipulate religion is suicide itself is UN Islamic imagine

About suicide boming so this thing happened then come this was in which year uh in 2000s by 2000 this thing happened what was the what was the major core reason for suicide bombings and so much aggressive acts of Hamas 2002 the thing was aiel Shon visit towards Allah okay

Because they view it as Jewish temple Jewish temple yes so for in Islamic trigger point in Islamic view this is just sole Islamic property so that’s a big that’s a big emotion there so this suicide bombing start when the suicide bombing this was the only reason for

This was the major reason major then when boming stats the police will start putting checkpoints and barriers every Palestinian who comes will feel humiliation how you have to wait in the checkpoint so when you look the average life of Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank it is of daily humiliation so can

We say this attack and uh the move of the Prime Minister there uh towards the temple was the beginning of hamas’s violent act against the state of Israel Hamas violent act actually started in ‘ 80s end of ‘ 80s itself now this was like too violent with the

Bombing suicide bombing and other things in 8790 actually P was the main actor that time Hamas was not major actor major yes but by 2000s if you look P lost its credibility yes because Osa process didn’t went well Osa one happened Osa 2 happened why memorandum happened many

Things happened but it didn’t well go well so if you are not winning your political cause you are delegitimized so in when you look the gasa strip Hamas was gaining more followers yes and can we say that the state of Israel also started to look at more critically Hamas more critically after

Those attacks started actually when you look the thing both netanyahu’s political career and hamas’s political career is like feeding each other okay as Hamas bomb more the right wing the politics will turn to more right wing you can see such observation I’m telling in 2019 there is a video you can observe

That in that Nyah is saying allow more fun to Hamas understood it’s like a it’s a very irony as Hamas is creating more Str more problem it is actually feeding to the Israeli Hardline politics also so this series of explosions create much damage one to Israelis for Palestinians

The humiliation increased now you have to wait more time in checkpoint H police randomly shoot many common people are being killed so atrocities happening when the child sees such atrocities he will be next suicide bomber and these atrocities and these waiting and humiliation is because of what Hamas did Hamas did it actually

Increased that okay because imagine it’s like I’m telling look what happened in Sri Lanka when you are pushing a people to so much extreme then they will become so desperate that they are ready to get suicide bom imagine LT LT is never a Hindu organization LT don’t have relig

Per but they were ready for suicide bombing because of a greater cause for the community so imagine LTD members don’t believe in any heaven I’m telling frankly they are just sacrificing themselves for the greater C cost of Tam imagine for a Hamas terrorist or Hamas extremist when you are exploding

Yourself you are caus you are rising the political cause of Palestine at the same time you know in Islam or islamist will teach a concept you will be in j we will describe heav in such a way that I mean it is a bra it is a brainwashing from very childhood so they

Are ready to die I’m telling frankly because suicide bombing happens in such a psychology a suicide bomber have different element sometimes his father may be killed by Israeli forces or his mother maybe I mean anywhere whether in Russia there was a set of woman suicide bombers called Black Widow their

Husbands may be killed by Russian army or they may be raped so in that case people have trauma one is trauma element one is their sincerity to the cause plus as a bonus religious element you will get heaven so this thing happened the entire political scene PLO got more more

Weak then the two- State solution didn’t happen Israel settlement grow more that time gasa was under Israel okay that time gasa is under Israel Hamas was creating more trouble in 2005 Israel decided one thing it was disengaging from Gaza one more thing I would like to

Ask if I have missed I would just ask you again uh you said Oslo process didn’t go well well and Oslo process provided a two Nation solution means two Nation can coexist peacefully together two State solution state two State solution uh what was the biggest reason

For the failure of this Oso uh process now You observe is that lack of political will of Israel because in Israel the politics is so coalation so what Rabin started next governments couldn’t proceed couldn’t proceed so uh was it like uh the government of Israel which started this Oslo process was not 100%

Accepting this not about government the government was started by Rabin okay but you know when you look the Israel politics Rabin Rabin lost his life knew nanyu came then again other guy came so the politics didn’t well have a coherence that time doesn’t have a continuation continuation because some

Governments will be so Hardline to Palestinians okay okay other thing is that continuing settlements more settlements were growing in West Bank you can see the West Bank yes now West Bank is like some enclaves only because of influx of uh Jewish population into Israel this was one of the main reason

It is one of the reason you or or the main reason was they were just going and occupying the land so that they have more and more land when you see the Israeli population one of the reason is they are occupying more even if influx has stopped or there

Is no more Jewish Jewish population coming into Israel they want more settlement and they are growing becoming Dynamic more more and organic more growing of course and actually when you as you ask the demography I will say one thing Israel Society have said the ethnic mix askanazi

Safarin M there are also some Jews from Ethiopia after 1990 there was a Civil War in Ethiopia now this is a very interesting topic Ethiopia means the black people black people and black people are also Jews because during the time of the Roman persecution I didn’t

Know about this during the time of Roman persecution some Jews fled to Ethiopia okay they were living in Ethiopian Highlands so they were not knowing about outside world after 1990s Israel conducted operation called operation Moses they took all Ethiopian Jews you can see Ethiopian Jews they are very

Black H but they aan Jews okay they took them it was called operation Moses it was one of the largest airlift in history okay so they got I think they’re called FASA the very minority actually and this airlift was sponsored by the state of Israel and then they lifted

Them from the Ethiopian Highlands to Islands EOP ethopian Highlands yeah to isra to Israel and okay actually Israel in Israel anybody who if you can prove your Jewish ancestry you can go to okay that’s the thing across the world okay one more question I would like to ask here uh Christian

Missionaries came to India converted the local people into uh Christians is there something uh similar happening with Jews anywhere at any point in time they’re trying to convert people to Jewish religion this is the big difference between Islam Christianity on one side and Judaism on one side Islam Christianity are very proing religions

You can see Christianity is called missionary activity Islam it is called da or called to Islam this religion spread by a set of reasons I will say one is missionary activity uh this spreading then some parts through violence of course everything is there when you look Jews actually Jews are not

Prizing they want actually accept another person very it’s is a very rare chance okay rare chance but historically there is another argument that in the part of Armenia aaran Georgia Armenia aaran Georgia in Caucasus during 9th century 10th Century 1 millium ago there was a tribe tur Tribe Called Kazar M they were

Converted to Judaism they converted themselves okay so there is not much example found anywhere but one or two one or two okay others that Jews don’t convert actually Jews are very close community in the sense they don’t convert Jews are non prizing you can the look The Jewish demographics is actually

Across the world it is reducing they don’t convert actually they it is rarely only they accept converts it’s very difficult to convert to a g very difficult if you go to a RAB he will Max maimum discourage you a Jewish person discourages you to become a Jewish person it is not

Actually a proing one they don’t proze much okay okay so Hinduism have came up in the recent years with a different flavor of it not Hinduism like several organizations we can say of gapsi this this is quite different from what uh islamism and Christianity do and

What what Jewish people do on the other hand this is like uh you were Hindu you got converted into something and now gapsi means we are converting you back to Hinduism actually I’m not a person to authoritatively speak on Hinduism but I will say one thing when you look the

Conversion or Pro I will say Christianity have a huge interest in this you can search a website called Joshua Project Joshua Project actually lists the entire ethnic group of people across the world M so Christianity have huge missionary organizations and all M after Christianity we can see Islam also

Have this daa tendency Hinduism had actually I will tell one thing do you know during I think uh fifth century 6th Century I think in Cambodia Cambodia laor you could see this vibu wearing shy missionaries and uh so actually Hinduism also have some conversion element early I will say because Hinduism have some

Priation activity in Southeast Asia when you look the part of Bengal and aam this VN missionaries you can see madas there satras in Assam they used to have some pration and during the time of a they bring Shi movement that is the current gas the current Shi M was

Started by a okay it was not about actually Aris mindset was as far I know it was not about making World Hinduism they felt it is their perception threatened by the Muslim and Christian population so they started conversion so the pration Hinduism is less compar compared to Christianity and Islam but

Hinduism of course have Pro ization but it is less actually I will say now this G is political stuff it’s a recent recent I mean before that actually Shi process Shi program was the program it was started by the himself you know it’s north India is a stronghold of a yes but

Jews very less very less they’re very less as we have discussed earlier after 2000 Hamas is ging more strength due to Ariel Sharon’s visit in the alaka or the Temple Mount International journalist we must show both arguments so there was a second in in which Hamas

Played a b okay when you look the thing is that in 2007 there was election in this Hamas captured power in Gaza so now you can see there is a big polarization within the palace Palestinian Camp H while West Bank is ruled by Palestinian Authority okay

Hamas captured power in Gaza H Hamas had one election in 2017 7 then there is no election so you can understand the political difference the area where Hamas rules there is no democracy I’m not judging them by democracy or not I’m a person to judge but both Israel and I think West

Bank also have some part of democratic process they the public opinion people can change H even there was a 38 day long protest in Israel against the government but when you look the gasa Gaza is under Hamas Hamas means Hamas is a militant organization across the world certain

Countries have banned Hamas like USA UK Canada un they view Hamas as a terrorist group some other countries view Hamas as a political actor like we can say turkey uh Gulf countries Iran Russia so in 2005 I told Israel disengaged from Gaza Israel took the 21 settlements they destroyed took

The 9,000 settlers because it was very difficult to stay in Gaza in 2007 Hamas won then Hamas is everything in Gaza if you want to live in Gaza you have to follow Hamas I told there is no such Civil Society it is UN Civil Society actually there is no Democratic thing at

All Hamas as organization they are providing I mean they are providing Health Service they’re providing education but the problem is that as Hamas is entrenched they don’t allow other opinion to come and when you look Hamas they were CED by gatar you can see gatar is the

Main base of Hamas leaders and also you can see Hamas political leaders are also now in Turkey erogan Turkey have moved some more close to uh this Palestinians then when we speak about Hamas one thing you can observe Hamas is very militant so there is no Israeli settlement activities going on in

Gaza but Israeli settlement is continuously happening in West Bank okay so the continuing Israel settlement is actually delegitimizing Palestinian Authority because palestin Authority recognize Israel and you are just giving us more occupation but Hamas is not recognizing Israel they know Israel it is completely W property but is don’t

Dare to settle there what what W has to so and w is the same wak of Jordan no no it’s not about Jordan Hamas is saying entire thing is a Muslim property no Israel no who is the owner earlier we said we we learned that it was the King

Of Jordan and and the other people who were holding the property of the temple and others so it is the same or some other means for entire Muslims or in the case here Paran Muslims this entire region is for paresan Muslims so is that work of uh organization stationed somewhere no

They’re saying entire region is a work of property isra is a illegal settlement okay okay their view is that that means they are not recognizing Israel’s right to existence okay while P this is different from the Viewpoint of PLO ah P after 1993 they recognized they want

Two- State solution Hamas want one state solution practically means no Israel so Hamas is ruling gasas still then you can see some pattern pattern is that on one side in in West Bank Israeli settlers are continuing their occupation it is a bad thing they’re taking more Palestinian property sometimes many

Innocent Palestinians are killed Palestinians are brutalized many time in alak camos Israeli worshippers came come so Hamas when you look Hamas Hamas developed close ties with gatar Iran because Iran is have now developed deep ties with SOC called axis of resistance axis of resistance means those organizations which are opposed to

Western interest and is interest in the region one is hisbah Iran is actually helping hisbah as per some estimates per year Iran is giving some 400 500 million us doar to isbah one is isbah one is this Hamas and Iran is funding Iran is smuggling good weapons to Hamas so Hamas

Arsenal is growing they have good weapons recently there is another video uh as part of international aid program some pipelines were LED in Gaza so that the people of Gaza can get pure water Hamas took that pipe and they made missiles okay imagine understood the

Thing is that you can but they are on they are on a suicide mission but they are leading people to a suicide mission When You observe that in 2008 2012 2014 2021 also there were Hamas used to attack Israel Israel strikes back you can see every time the save Gaza think GES so

This so when you understand something Israeli civilians are dying less it is not due to charity of Hamas each Hamas missile which is sent it can kill at least 10 Israelis imagine Hamas is sending th000 missiles 10 into th000 it have the potential to kill 10,000 Israelis it is

Thing that it is not so sophisticated it is not reaching the settlements or it is at least intercepted by the Israeli ior now yes at least when 100 missiles come at least 80 they will neutralize that’s why Israelis are not dying is not that Hamas is doing charity amas want to

Eliminate but they can’t at the same time when Israel respond Israel also do many human rights violation we can’t absolve Israel Israel as a democracy must not behave in this barbaric manner every time lot of children woman every day but what Hamas strategy have observed is that Hamas keep their this

Gasa strip when you speak it is is like a open air personis after Hamas took power in 2007 Israel has embosed a blockade so air land everything blockade is there so Israel will check what income so Ordinary People in Gaza face much problem whether electricity for job

Gaza’s economy itself I will say it is a eight based economy eight parts from Gulf and other region Hamas is controlling the so people have to follow Hamas either you are with Hamas or you are finished this is the political atmosphere in Gaza at least in Israel you can criticize

Nanyu I’m not whitewashing Israel at least you have a space there but in Gaza either with us either my way or highway highway yes so this thing happen so I’m telling this Hamas is making their own weapons Hamas weapons are very cheap when you look Israeli

Weapons are very costly as far I know sophisticated iron is a system which shoots down the missiles yes it have I think Tam defense system M it is one missile I think it cost something $1 lakh $1 lakh means to intercept one missile they’re spending 80 L IND rupees

80 or 1 CR Indian rupees imagine how much costly it is this iron do Israeli weapons are very super that Mara Tangi super but it is costing a huge expenditure so Israeli military industry is actually very big they are now one of the producers of one of the sophisticated weapons but they don’t

Sell sophisticated weapons outside they sell only second class weapons to Outsiders understand that whether they are selling to other the top quality weapons is with them they won’t sell that so in 2008 in 2012 2014 there was a war when Israel Strikes Back Israel do one thing they used to give warning to

The people that we are going to bomb something called roof knocking system is there that mean before bombing Hamas use this madrasas or this schools or this orphanages as a place to keep missiles so they are also doing War crime because when Israel targeted common people are

Getting killed it is like a human shield Israel have a system called this roof knock before they bomb I think 5 minute ago the people will know that something will happen so they can get out so I’m telling show me any other country which do this thing in bombing did America did

Or any Russia did in Syria no nobody will do this thing at least Israel is trying to do that this is not to absolve scien atrocities they did atrocities I agree they are doing atrocities I agree but no other country does it so they Tred to limit the casualty they don’t do carpet

Bombing that much it is actually Precision bombing precis bombing is bombing the specific sites to reduce the human casualty is mosad also haunted many Hamas leaders Hamas and hisbah leaders they haunt they kept killed in bomb explosion they killed by injecting poison mad is going one way so just like

Just like mad used to do whenever it has a Target it only used to kill the Target no other casualty a mission would be aborted if there is some other casualty apart from the Target in the similar fashion even when it comes to uh bombing it Israel is doing the Precision bombing

And taking care of no civilian casualty trying trying to yeah knocking that try but still civilians will die understood they’re taking most care actually because as a Israel will be judged as a democracy so world is looking actually so you can’t behave that much vly even

Though there are very what we tell very rightwing I mean very so much extreme opinion Israel they’re trying but still many people are K died in 2014 it happened yes so when you look after that one thing Israel the current threat after 2010 you can

See now it is Iran is emerging as a big Iran is also developing nuclear weapons as per many exports Israel transferred some documents which say Iran is on the nuclear development so you know Israel’s nuclear Monopoly is what on Advantage so nuclear is what Israel is fearing so

Israel have a huge influence in American foreign policy when President Trump came Trump’s policy was maximum pressure on Iran Trump was imposing sanctions so that Iran can’t develop this nuclear weapon Iran have a policy of Maximum resistance they were helping this every group like hisbah Hamas and on the way

In 2006 Israel have a war with hisbah in Lebanon the northern part of Israel hisbah abducted one Israeli soldier and a war happened Israel faced much problem actually hisbah succeeded to challenge Israel actually Israel very much they struggled there in Lebanon very much they struggled actually a other smashing of

The invincibility of Israel but it have a cost understand something everything have a cost Lebanon got devastated for organization like hisbah Lebanon is getting devastated so when hisbah is engaging in a war entire Lebanon is suffering okay so that happened in 2006 hisbah emerg as more powerful then after

2010 you can see in the Arab world now they are fearing Iran Iran is viewed as a threat by Saudi many other countries so now actually under Trump there were other ideas coming like now the American idea was isra was reaching out to many Arab countries at least for last 10 15

Years Israel and Saudi Aran communication okay Israel and Bin Jordan and Israel normalized their relation I forgot to say in 1994 they normalized their relation after Egypt Jordan was second country to normalize relation with Israel in 1994 okay they normalized it because they were having relation other Arab countries were also having

This covered relation now everybody is fearing Iran as a big challenge so again it is Israel is coming up with the peripherial now it is policy ex exactly speaking reversal of the periphery yeah instead of Iran now it has Saudi Arabia it has actually now feeling more close with Saudi or bahin

Or such countries so a peace was broken by uh China between uh Saudi and uh uh Iran what impact did that peace had on Israel and before that I will say when Trump came okay we are now discussing 20167 M so when Trump came he brought a

Peace plan it just like a Palestine was like sometime when you go to some daa you will get some DHA DHA will be one piece here one piece there one piece there was like a broken Palestine okay Trump was offering a Palestine it was called deal of century H so was Trump

Was saying that Palestine is many Enclave Gaza is there some Enclave in West Bank and it is connected by tunnels and all and he offered from 50 billion American Investment but Palestinians told no we don’t want that we want two- State solution two- State solution was also said by Arab countries in 2002

Saudi Arabia said one pragmatic thing it was called Arab peace initiative we are ready to recognize Israel if two State solution is there okay so Saudi position I so it was very pragmatic while Iran was calling for destruction of Israel Saudi was telling we are ready to accept

Let we have a two- State solution I think as an Indian also I feel it is more close option so Trump tried to bring some solution but it didn’t happen Palestinians were not welcoming when you look after 2015 you can see Middle East different there was Arab

Spring in Syria there was a Revolt in Libya across the world there was issue in Egypt there was issue so in Syria Iran intervened when you look Iran have a huge influence across the region Iran is Shia Iran is supporting Shia mil in Iraq Iran have a huge influence in Iraq when

Us toled Sadam Hussein in 2003 Sadam was a Sunni Saddam was once close to USA itself actually it was Iranians who benefited from that it is not my statement Iran’s foreign minister jav sarif itself said it during PBS interview it was we who you benefited who benefited Iran’s Iran got huge

Expansion in Iran Iraq Lebanon so they are actually planning a what we tell a connection from tahan to Bagdad to Damascus okay and why they are connecting they’re planning to help hisbah is like a land bridge is coming from Iran Iraq Syria to Lebanon Lebanon and hisbah is the biggest threat to Israel

Okay so when you look the Syrian Civil War one of the reason why Iran intervene was to protect half the government of Bashar alassad because Bashar alassad is alite they are part of Shia so Iran intervene and this groups like hisbah grow much experience for the last 10

Years they are battling they were battling Isis one question comes up is hisbah is a Shia organization Iran is a Shia country Bashar Al Assad is has major power in Syria now is uh Shia is Shia but what about Iran Iran is a Sunni country Iran is a sh country so sorry

I’m sorry uh Iraq is AQ no no Iraq is actually mix it okay after up to American Invasion Iraq was ruled by bath party bath party was dominated by sunnis Sadam was a Sunni after American Invasion happened now the power changed okay now Shia are actually major controlling the power in Iran Iraq

Okay so it made a line Shia Shia Shia and it’s they coming to heah and he is the biggest threat to Israel Israel and one thing which happened in Iraq is that after America invaded you know there was a big state there government officials four five lak Army it was all B Party

America did something called deification and their people was losing their job entire Sunni Elite lost their job imagine four five lakh train soldiers Ling their job what will they do common sense no they will be the next terrorist this was happened when Isis arised because when Shia Authority

Came to Iraq especially there was a leader called NRI Al Malik he was so much sectarian that Sunni was so much discriminated sunnis Iraqi sunnis were so much discriminated it resulted in the rise of Isis or dases so that time when Isis came it was in strategic interest of Israel that

Isis arised because Isis was controlling this Iran proxies I’m not trailing any conspiracy theory I’m telling one Israeli thing said that rise of Isis is good for us because it is controlling Iranian proxies you can viewers can observe a picture in Syrian Civil War observe the thing Israel helped Sunni

Rebel groups yes because Shia are power Israel was helping alra and you can see a photo where Netanyahu is giving Shan to Al reel is in bed so understand Israel was helping actually the Sunni Rebels there so after this rise of Isis one thing I can say it was Iran who defeated

Isis there was a general called General kasim salani Iran have a force called KS Force they are expeditionary Force they are working in Iraq working in Syria Lebanon it was actually one of the biggest defeat to Isis was caused by Iran we must credit especially the kasim

Salman and it was because the Isis was moving towards Iran and trying to make Iran its own part it’s not Iran it was actually creating disability it was actually Sunni basic Sunni but it also killed many sunnis Isis Isis have killed many sunnis they actually many Ultra

Terrorist vers I will say they even recognize Hamas as infidels even Isis tried to kill Hamas people understood now we say equation Hamas equal to Isis no h must do atrocities of course it is to be condemned of course ion join with Hamas ideology but even Isis were seeing Hamas

As Target it’s like I tell you’re less radical than us it’s like Taliban and Isis and Taliban came up and said that Isis is too too brutal it is it is like Taliban was extremist but when ISIS come oh Taliban is far better yeah is like better so this Rebel happened and this

Israel intervened in Syrian Civil War so this time many Arab countries were also helping the Sunni Rebel groups they were feeling threatened by Iranian presence but after Syrian Civil War what happened Bashar alassad was in 2011 now he is there he is very strong now many Arab countries turkey America

Was planning to Dethrone him because he was close to Iran they were trying to Dethrone Bashar alassad but Bashar alassad was safe than one to Iran Iran provided the ground troops many Iranian generals were marer in Syria many I think 10 plus High Commandos Russia in this place you can

See Russia shot their hard power in Syria Russia bomb but you can see the protests are very political in Russia bomb many innocent cians died like now but there was less protest so it is about who killing who and whether killing killed people suits our ideology every human

Blood is valuable so Russia got entrenched Russia Iran got entrenched so after 2015 16 you can see Isis got difficult also then you can see America tried to control Iran I mean America assassinated gim Salman that’s America they righted but still Iran is very strong there Iran has very strong

Presence different Rebel groups in especially I will tell in Iraq kah in Lebanon hisbah in Gaza Hamas Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Yemen HTI or Anar everybody have connection with Iran okay everybody is trained by Iran so they call it aess of resistance M so Iran is getting more entrenched while Arab monarchies are

Very tensed this time Trump was there Trump was trying to make an arrangement where America is very close with Sunni monarchies whether it is bahin Saudi UA everything so Trump was actually trying to what we tell make Israel to the region system he was smoting something called Middle East security Alliance

Which involve both Arab countries and Israel okay who who who is the target Iran Iran is the there was a decision for Arab NATO where Israel and Arab countries will align so there were deep discussions were going but later you can see political changes happen one China mediated a deal

Because Saudi and Iran have their own issue it is partly religious Saudi is the fer or supporter of Wabi Islam Iran is founder of this Shia Islamic revolution then Saudi and Iran have geopolitical struggle also in 2016 when you look Saudi Arabia there are significant number of sh in eastern

Saudi there was a Shia Mah called Nim Alim Saudi executed him as a protest Iran canceled the relation in 2016 they stopped their relation it was China who mediated a deal now it is very premature to uh measure how Chinese deal will work but China is trying to be superow now because Chinese

Have entren in this region they have a huge investment across the region their belt and road is coming in the region they have investment plan in Iran in 25 year 400 billion another thing of China is that when America put some sanction on Iran India will fear we will not put money

China is ready to face sanction so more countries are dealing with China because China is trying to deal there they are putting much cement and steel and Chinese technology is very huge now 5G Hua many Arab countries are using Hua now so China is a big economic partner

Of many countries there whether it is turkey Saudi Iran UAE so you can see they are keeping good relation with America but China is a big partner so China is now trying to be a mediator imagine if I have to mediate between two two people I have to be both of their

Fronts if I am only one guy’s front then I can’t be a genuine mediator so when you look Iran and Saudi America is supposed to be more close with Saudi Iran America is very enemy but China is front to both so China tration and when you look the other way

In Israeli politics also much change is happening more settlement is coming Israeli current Ministry you can see extreme Jewish parties are there one is I will say uh Jewish power Party by uh his name is Ben Ur he’s a very racist Minister I’m saying he have Israel have

Its own Arab citizens they’re called Arab Israelis he want a war against them okay understood he want a Civil War I don’t know what what he want then another his name is Ben uar then another guy is there smri he’s controlling Minister Finance he’s also a

Very uh what we tell hardcore Jewish I mean Ultra nationalist so in Israel there is a huge influence of rightwing so government is also taking many decisions which is that many times alak kamos Israeli worshippers are coming in 2021 there was a last war so these issues are happening on one

Side Arab countries are trying to reach then the change happen in 2020 Abraham Accords Abraham ACC why is Abraham Accords because both isak and ASA Nota isak and is are son of Abraham yes isak’s descendants are supposed to be Jews is’s descs are supposed to be Arab

Muslims based on that we are under a family so America is mediating it it came actually abrah Accords came many more Rel countries normalize relation with isra and then what was the outcome of this yeah I will say and not only outcome what was the objective of this

Objective was that America in long term now is looking to reduce American presents in the region when you look America you can every us can search the map Central Command Central Command means Afghanistan Pakistan Iran to entire West Asian region to Egypt you can see a lot of American bases American military

Bases there’s something called cmf combined Maritime Force America it is leading in na Alliance in bahin fifth us naval fleet is based on bahin so can you see any other nation which is so much based in West Asia no no Russia don’t have that much base except some base in

Syria China don’t even have any base they’re not ready to put the money they are like a businessman approach we will do business they are not ready to do the security function but America is too much entr here lot of American military bases there lot of American air bases

Naval bases in gatar there is a base called Al is one of the largest American Air Base so what America is doing now is that America want to reduce the presence here is a part of larger American strategy now America want to contain China to contain China you want to step

Up your presence in East Asia so what America under Trump and now Biden is trying they’re trying to accommodate Israel they’re trying to make Israel front of other countries Here Comes also role of India here I will say some other New Concepts which is very important for our viewers one is abrahamic Accord

Abrahamic Accord by abrahamic Accord America is trying to normalize between Israel and Arab countries so four Arab countries normalized one is UA UA have normalized now Israel and UA enjoy very good TI even in case of Gaza bombing UA actually considered Israel sentiment the they condone

Both for an Arab country it is a very big thing another is bahin bahin normalized relation with Israel another is Morocco Morocco for a long time is actually having good relation with Israel you must understand something when nasis persecuted Jews it was Morocco who saved many Jews Morocco have

A good tradition they have a good relation with Jews one is Sudan Sudan normalized relation with Israel and America uh increase some diplomatic consideration for Sudan these four countries start a normalization but when you say about relations it is not easy one day one day you can’t say anything you can’t change

Everything it is like top to bottom government to government their trust must grow economic relation must grow political trust must grow business to business relation must increase People to People relation must inrease here we see a big problem when the FIFA World Cup happened in Gam H you can see one

Thing there is a limitation because that time Israelis were ostracized by Arab media you can see many Arab citizens were not ready to talk with Israelis so into the public people are still not so comfortable with the idea of good relation with Israel you can see in

Public opinion as many of the Arab countries are very autocratic or dictatorship politically it is fine but it’s like a call piece even Moroccan uh football members actually were raising a Palestinian flag many Arabs avoided Israelis during that in gatar FIFA so this is a big limitation so by Abraham what America is

Trying to make that make maximum country salad with Israel so that Israel have a normal relation so Israel don’t need that much protection so America is also very much relaxed another thing which Trump tried best middle e security Alliance and Arab NATO which have not come to fation

Another thing America is building that I2 you right do you here comes the role of India when you look India after 1990 as our economic growth by the LPG reform our relations are expanding so much you look the India UA trade as for my limited memory is 80 billion plus 1

Billion means 8 8,000 CR that means of more than 5 lakh CR India Saudi trade similar more than 3 lakh CR so India have a viant trade relation with the region so as your trade passes now America is trying to build Alliance it is called i22 or West St qu you look the

Composition of I I India Israel USA UA when you look India you can see your pattern India is a Hindu majority country yes but it is secular it is very liberal country it is generally liberal it’s a democracy Israel is Jewish majority country but s

Is very Democratic and it is I mean more democratic and stable than other neighbers Israel is also secular I will say I mean compared to the rights given to Jews or the treatment faced by Jews in Arab countries within Israel it is much free Israel have actually recognized five religions Judaism Islam

Christianity Bruce and bahis and bahis are persecuted in Iran but they are protected in Israel okay so India is United States of America it is a Christian majority country but it is very secular country you can see Rising number of Hindus Muslims they’re free in

USA and is UA UA is also a different country it is trying to be more secular you can see they are trying to be more secular they are very liberal right now so you can say it is a like-minded countries you can understand it well or appreciate it well when you look at

Trade Factor look India you trade it is a assignment something to the viewers they can search look India U trade India Israel trade it is I think hovering around 10 billion is not a simple thing India UA trade some 80 billion India us trade as far I I read I think one year

Ago it was something think 130 billion or 160 billion so look the engagement these four countries have high polit economic relation good political engage so America is trying to bring its fronts so America’s larger objetive that bring India into the region it also suits our region so other suggest was was India

Arab Mediterranean Corridor or India Middle East economic Corridor which was enros in the recent G2 meeting how did it is planning it is planning is that from India our ports whether in Maharashtra or Gujarat we will take the ships our uh uh things will be loaded

They’ll go to UA Port jabali I think from UA it will be unloaded then you can see the map Railway is constructed from UA to Saudi from Saudi to Jordan from Jordan to Israel to Israeli Port of ha you look now hia Port is ran by adani

Okay so as adani is there it is government backing is there then from Israel it is going to Greece P sport P sport was maintained by China anyway it is actually another a corridor in if you have a trade try to form a corridor because in trade everything you look when you order

Something in somato I’m telling a simple thing whichers can which viewers can understand when your place is too far the delivery cost is more yes so it’s better to me to order from gavan than any rajendra nagar or something so similarly when you trade something if it

Is high volume thing the logistics cost matters so now our Goods goes through Su Canal when the experts look the logistical system of the India Arab Mediterranean Corridor or India Middle East economic Corridor it is actually 40% less costly and it will reach any fast TR so this

G20 meeting was supporting this India Middle East economic cor America was trying to normalize Israel by Abrahams I2 bringing India by i22 India it is already justified by the vibrant economic presence and under the government of Narendra Modi India’s relation with Saudi so much depend with

UA so much so much you don’t need to learn geopolitics you look their hug look the photo nobody need to be expert on geopolitics look look the body language of Modi and nanyu very so as we observe through the last decade we can understand something now more Arab countries are welcoming to

Have relation with Israel m is the matter that many of them have relation in a cover manner including Saudi so once Palestinians have some sort of political veto political veto in the sense that Palestine was a thing which United every Arab country but you can see as time

Progress the impact of Palestine in this is getting reduced because you can see Palestine as a state itself is dysfunctional two competing authorities as a State you must Define I you have have a flexible border Sovereign government everything but Palestine lacks it unfortunately due to Israeli problem also and also party due to

Infighting between Palestine both have issue okay so more Arab countries are actually discussing with Israel and all so the Palestinian V2 is getting reduced so when you look Hamas is more aligned with Iran So currently I told about the Chinese mediation it is was a good attempt actually by China because when

You look the American policy American policy was more Guided by America’s access to oil and also America’s military industrial complex the actually one of the invasion of Iraq as well as invasion of Libya America led that because one of the reason both rulers Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi challenged the supremacy of

American dollar they were ready to sell their oil in non dollar currency okay Sadam was planning to sell by Europe and Gaddafi was also something America attack so when we look the American policy it is more like uh oil one is oil another thing is their military industrial complex they have

Huge military deals and all but when you look China this is the term I CAU so this maybe not be so academic China is building many pots many rails China I think build a rail in Mecca many things China’s we can say cement and steel complex because Chinese infrastructure is across the

Region China’s high technology complex Chinese H is challenging American compes so many countries are using H now so China want a peace Here China want the peace here to do the economic activity so unlike America which says about democratization and All America had such an agenda after 2000s like

Spreading Ry especially under the George Bush and Neo conservatives the entire Iraqi invasion was based on that have you seen China invading any country no no China don’t inv China invest they capture by investing there is argument that it is dep trap but I’m telling they the countries are inviting their

Investment they are inviting by their own sovereignity so we can’t lecture beyond the limit yes don’t provide them with lecture if you want provide some alternative like what we envisage by India middleast economic Corridor lecturing doesn’t matter I mean I’m telling whether Chinese trap may be a

What we tell it may be a economic trap it is to be judged by Economist I’m not a person but we must offer alternative so what China want his P because if imagine some War happen in this uh Iran or is Iran Saudi and know petroleum cost will increase when hutis attack Saudi

Petroleum cost price everything is actually have a bad effect on economy yes CH China want business to go on yes it want a Peace So China’s philosophy itself Peace by Economic Development so China is investing huge in Iran in Saudi so they have a leverage even now Israel

Requested China to put pressure on Iran Iran yes so pressure by economic term is big thing and China was ready to invest when even America put sanctions so never compare India’s engagement I’m telling telling truth is not unpatriotic China ch’s engagement is high level even now the countries are

Planning something called petol Yan I mean many people are dealing with Chinese currency yes uan Yan is getting internationalized in a slowly but steadily manner so what China want to P is that their economic project can be done it is a good thing actually PA will

Be good to the region so when you look the Palestinian impact Palestinian V2 is getting reduced so recently some days ago there was a provocation Alka and you know now Hamas is is getting more missiles from uh thean and all they are more very much well armed

30 Hamas is now well armed because when you look the economic view Hamas missiles are very cheap compared to Israel’s sendom and Tam so it can actually dissipate much Israeli money and weapons imagine a $1,000 or even $10,000 Hamas uh a country made missile it will take one Tam Interceptor which

OS cost I think $50,000 something doar $1 lakh like 80 lakh Indian rupees are getting burned so Hamas is now in there was a provocation alak Kasam weeks ago some days ago then another factor is that Israel is in a big crisis Israel the government under nahu have very Hardline

Members like the So-Cal smrc and Ben itar Ben Israel have a democracy legislative Judiciary executive Israeli government was trying to build Judiciary under control so there was a huge political protest going on Israel here you must understand the importance of Israel in Israel you can protest protest so the protest was so

Huge even Army reservist were taking part in protest mosad members were taking part in protest everybody was taking part in protest and this protest was against whom against the government who was trying to control the Judiciary Judiciary Judiciary okay and there was a huge provocation going in West Bank

Israeli settlers were armed they were attacking many innocent Palestinians and there were huge provocations going there so Israeli Army itself was much deployed in the West Bank and other region in the southern Israel region Israel was having some recognizance and nothing no much troops so this Hamas leader Muhammad da

His photo is not available actually his 20 years photo is available other photos are not available yes as per some reports Hamas is planning this for one year some reports the 7th of October oper attack yeah okay even it was even not not to Iran Iran is

One of the biggest F of Hamas but know or other countries don’t know that actually they were viewing Israel because Israel is in a big trouble some days ago huge protest was going so Israeli Society was very much polarized even military preparedness was weak which we observe now milary was even not

There Hamas planned a big assault and they did it so the myth of Israeli invincibility was challenged at least for some time at least for some time oober 7 Hamas members came in Thousand they easily destroyed the uh border fences they even attacked many Jewish settlements you can see they

Captured many places but on the way I will say Hamas did the big PR blunder PR blunder is during 1970s they did this not Hamas that time it was not Hamas Munich when you kill atlet you actually doing a against yourself yes similarly this time what they did was as

Far I know they attacked the music concert when you listen this you must be able to separate the grain from the chaff many fake news are going many fake news like 40 babies were decapitated it is a fake news is not decapitated but of course Hamas did atrocities you can see

Woman where capture one woman was like in a bik her body was there Hamas was calling allahar you must Hamas must understand something by doing such un Islamic action Hamas is delegitimizing Islam yes in a dead body of a woman who is half naked they were calling allahar

It is the biggest PR disaster they could do and the hostages which they have taken there are accusations of sexual attacks which have yet to be confirmed but one thing I can confirm they kill many uh what we tell many civilians of course they have killed it confirmed

They killed that is a confirm thing and many hostages are there in gasa they took I think 100 of cities and when you look almost as per today 1,400 Israelis are killed 1,400 258 soldiers are killed Israel have not faced such a catastroph since 1973 is a big failure of

Nanyu remind me remember me it is expert of opinion netanyahu’s political career is kutam now due to the war suddenly Israel formed a Unity government yes nanyu vs oppos is is also Revenge move is the biggest danger here they are also Bigg so the current war is going war is going in

Such a way that as far I observe when you look Gaza Hamas the in upside upside soil there are buildings and all underground Hamas have lot of tunnels tunnels yeah through which they launch Supply chains Supply chains now Israel is planning a ground invasion of Gaza they have W citizens

Leave and where will the citizens go I mean actually gasa when you look the map they have divided gasa into two gasa is actually 40 km long and 12 km wi roughly a rectangle they have asked people to move to South near Gan Unis area and all

They want people to vacate the northern the south is what towards Israel or South is towards the both Israel and Egypt Israel and Egypt there is a border crossing called Al Rafa border crossing okay so the people look 23 lakh people in this 365 kilm arean already Hamas is

Like one person can’t turn to other person so imagine the population person now sudden warning and as far I know they have now withdrawn the roof knocking system they are deliberately targeting innocent people even Israeli net members they are talking about second akba it is a big human rights

Violations and War crime there are credible reports emerging Israel is using white phosphorus White f is banned as per un conventions Hamas is also doing more crimes they are as using the people as human shield understand something whether it is a personto person conflict or a country to Country

Conflict don’t start a fight if you can’t end it if I’m starting a fight and my enem is ending ending is actually very disadvantage for me hamama started the figh in with enthusiasm but do they think they can end it M as far I know I don’t think Israel is turning very

Brutal Israeli Parliament members are speaking I I saw the translation offers somebody want to use what we tell second so like cleansy a big Israel is already blockading Gaza humanitarian situation is so dangerous hospitals are actually lacks electricity is cut off water is cut off they want it to be a no

People own Israeli ground invasion is to follow I think it will be for some weeks or some months they will be definitely targeting Hamas and of course believe me they will Target Hamas now many Hamas leaders G and all mad will come after you mark my words mad will come because

It have caused one of the biggest catastroph to isra was a failure of mad to prevent that still personally I’m not propagating it I think whether mad it was IND failure or whether they were allowing it for a limit anyway allowing it in in a sense that this this can

Happen then this is my this is never expert opin this is my personal opinion so don’t take it very you keeping mosad at a very high regard means what you’re saying is this mosad is too intelligent for such a small intelligence fure think that is my belief M don’t knowing this

Thing no I don’t believe it this my I don’t believe it I think they know they allowed it for a greater attack for justifying a greater can we say if this thing is this theory is uh proved in future to be correct is it also because nanu is

Facing too much opposition at home and just to unite the country this thing can happen political reasons actually one thing I can say what Israelis can’t do for 38 days bringing down Netanyahu Hamas did in one days CU you look the casuality you look the casuality in 1967

Where I think th000 something for Israel and 20,000 for Arab countries Israel having faced such a casuality till like 3 4 days 25 sold it’s a big casuality for a 72 lakh Jews or 84 lakh Israel it’s a big casualty actually you look the proportionate amount it’s a big casualty so nyah’s political

Career it is a CIS act now sure now don’t you think that after uh this united front and after the kind of steps which Netanyahu has taken against Hamas he will regain his position no in Israel actually the other Coalition members who came now like Benny gun have said we are only uniting

With you for this war after that nanyu have to answer military General have to answer Southern command General have to answer mosad have to testify Israel is a place where prime minister can go to jail that is the greatness of democracy so nanyu will have a I’m telling very green political

Future it is K now it is a temporary G and now the ground operation is going I’m telling humanitarian catastrophe is so huge hospitals lack I saw many babies there are actually very much struggling so what I observe is that Israel is actually doing a ground operation they will put Gaza to

Rebels so what I observe this is my analysis Israel is blockading Gaza land there and all Egypt have said that they not ready to take any is refugees 23 lakh even so called G won’t take nobody will take Arab countries won’t take I’m telling they will say many and all all

It is nothing they won’t take this is my assumption whether this migration will come to Europe when Libya was destabilized whether where did the refugees went yes through Mediterranean so what I mean Mediterranean is very now it is a what we tell it is a very open SE now so what

I observe is that sometimes this Refugee pressure will come to Europe and this may actually Europe will create pressure to Israel in future to stop this else how far you can prevent how far you can push this 23 lakh people what Israel may be enaging that they may

Ening to finish Hamas they have said it political leadership they have assassinated many leaders of course Hamas I think Hamas will end of course I’m then they may be planning to turn Gaza to a new leadership which is more compant with isra or a new leadership will emerge among Gans because Gans

Itself are also humans with human sentiments so they also will think that this Hamas is building us I mean they can’t sty but they can’t end they are suffering look Gans are suffering for what Hamas H I can do a suicide strike but I can’t lead my country to Suicide sure yes can

Lead a suicide strike that’s fine you are a great martier and all but if you leading your people to Suicide of course you are a bad politician you are a bad Statesman I say this what Hamas is doing now Israel have a pro propaganda now because Israel is harmed and all world

Is now they will use that emotion and media is also very biased actually some media is very biased to Israel Western countries are very biased to isra because I say many countries are Banning prop Palestinian demonstrations so many countries which are called so-called Beacon of freedom and independents are Banning

Prop so this is a hoc anti-semitic attacks have also increased throughout Europe and US anti-semitic have attacks have increased I have seen in London in I think New York one guy saw the stia Hitler SAA so what the problem is that in Europe whether any Muslim Community is protesting

Protesting is fine but when they turn violent it will strike back on the Islamic community itself because when you look after the migrant crisis right wi is getting more strong in Europe many parties which were considered as Fringe like afd alternative for Dand in Germany walks in Spain the national FR in Spain

Uh France which were considered Fringe are now second or third parties so any further So-Cal Islamic Uprising will only help the right wi narrative yes so it is it will be good for the migrant Muslim communities to keep the protest very peaceful Hamas called a day of Rage but after the rage

The counter raage will come yes it will be like a 911 moment many explanation are coming it is like 911 moment of Hamas I will say it is uh Munich moment of Hamas somebody say Harbor for Israel so what I observe is that Hamas will be finished Hamas lers who are

Sitting in the comfort of Gat or Doha don’t be peaceful they will come after you do you think any peace negotiation breaks out as any ceasefire between the negotiators as far I know what Hamas did they achieved something what they achieved is but it is a coist of

Political suicide now the Peace Accords are getting freezed in this context Saudi can’t go with normalization some days ago Saudi Prince was saying Crown Prince Muhammad bin San was saying we are moving close to is now he can’t do they have said now everybody have to put

In a back foot so the peace process will have a temporary uh what we temporary drag will be there our India Arab metan Corridor forgot about it for some time in this region how you can conduct a corridor so I’m I’m not saying permanently as of now security situation

Is very worst India is actually planning to evacuate our CI operation a yes that’s happening for and this Corridor was going through which place Saudi Jordan Israel and and Israel are very problem now Jordan itself fa domestic problem isra is facing problem forget about coridor for now so what

Hamas have achieved is the my objective is that now Palestine is in headline yes for long it is headline is their success another success is that the peace process is now set back it is their success Abraham will be for some time it will be in future it will mean

Freeza generally there is a prop parine sentiment which will increase on the future because now the Paris and cash are increasing so that is increasing on said that is increasing then the current world opinion will be coming that but at what cost at cost of gasa yes and the civilians inocent Civ

Inocent so how will you justify this I’m telling Hamas political future I’m not so I mean 2023 is a defining year for Hamas is one thing is I’m saying if you have some cancer there is no point having some lation or some bandid every time cancer un need a

Surgery West Bank have 3 million Palestinians Gaza have 2.3 million Palestinians how far you can marginalize them for Israel to claim itself a democracy or to be stable it have to find a two-state solution currently the country is very polarized I know there will be somebody St two State he will be

In dead state that is a political condition polarization but I’m saying sustainably where will you push this 2.3 million people you will make them prisoner already they were prisoner in Gaza that have contributed to the radicalization what about the ongoing settlement Israel have to find a way was continuing settlement

No I don’t think so because I don’t think so it will have a peaceful end is will have to bear more cost it will be having more cost this is my I’m concluding this analy in short term there will be human catastroph which is very unfort forunate

Which is very unfortunate I’m telling as a human I’m feeling very unfortunate babies are dying in both side especially disproportionate inside yes what they know imagine then the next set of Revenge will come I soical problem mhammad now more now the more people who see his mother is

Getting killed they are the future bombers or Jews are also very radicalized they also why you want to kill Muslims like that so it will take at least one generation to normalize and in long term without two- State solution I don’t think Israel can be a peaceful

State this a symptom this will continue so you think two State uh policy is the solution for future peace two State solution is the two- State solution where I’m telling India’s cting is India’s polic itself two state with a viable Palestine State not like Palestine like some uh what we tell some

Andab with some piece there some piece there it’s not like a broken omelet a viable with West Bank and Gaza Gaza and existing in peace there can be no pales no Palestine with destruction of Israel no palestine’s National aspiration must be considered Israel security aspiration must be considered so there must be a

Living cerence I mean they must live together I’m telling you one je one Arab uh Islamic philosopher turn if Jews and Muslims can live thousand years in peace why can’t you you can it is not Arabs who did Holocaust at you and it is actually Arabs who killed more

Arabs than Israel so both can be pragmatic Israel is also can think at least they can reach it they must reach it because you are not in Europe yes at the end of the day watch’s words resonate here you can change your friends you can’t change your neighbors

Neighbors and for that you have to find out some solution which is peaceful peaceful some prohibition is so on that positive note I we’ll end this podcast and it was very nice talking to you Calvin it was very interesting to go through the history of Israel and

Palestine and the whole region and the uh other countries which are involved in this and uh I hope uh we’ll sit down again in future for another podcast for another issue I hope it will not be a issue related to War casualties it will be related to some peaceful initiatives where both

India India Israel Palestine will be part I’m genuinely willing for that okay thank you very much for coming to the podcast

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