How are you today I’m doing very good how are you I am doing good thank you Joel again for agreeing just about a week ago we recorded a um very short interview when you just came from the overseas and you shared your thoughts on Israel war and a lot of very positive
Response uh coming from you and um I want to dive straight right in right away um we’ve seen a huge rise of anti-Semitism especially among Christians of people were saying that you know we shouldn’t be supporting Israel I dropped this on Facebook and on Twitter and people were saying you know
God is love love and Humanity are the most important thing we shouldn’t be supporting any wars the church replace Israel Modern Nation of Israel is not biblical Kingdom of Israel you know Israel is the aggressor you know massacring all the Palestinians you know both sides are evil and we shouldn’t be
Supporting any of that you’ve been studying this topic for a long time you’ve been been seeing a lot of very interesting ideas circulating among Christians what is one of the main ideas for which Christians stand in opposition to supporting Israel and praying for Jerusalem boy that’s a important
Question um let me just Begin by saying uh Pastor Vlad that for the past few decades um really I mean since I I came to Faith really 30 years um just after coming to Faith I dedicated my life to the Islamic World um to the Muslim World um I committed my
Life to give my life to reach Muslims with the um incomparable good news I’ve also lived in Israel um I’ve LED numerous tours to Israel you know I’ve been to Israel I don’t know I’m sure it’s over 20 times wow um I also as you said just got back from
Saudi Arabia you know I I visit multiple Middle Eastern Nations I love all the peoples of the Middle East Turks Jews Arabs Kurds Persians um this is the primary part of the world that the Lord has called me now you mentioned you said well we shouldn’t stand with Israel because we
Shouldn’t support Wars and this type of thing um and then they’ll have some theological reason well the Bible say says this therefore we shouldn’t stand with Israel look what just happened in Israel on October 7th and in the week that followed it was an absolute nightmare um and what’s happening online
Is a lot of people are picking teams they go well I’m theologically supposed to be on this side so therefore that’s the side that’s the team I’m going to root for um let’s say my neighbors were Muslim um and my other neighbors were Christians and my Christian neighbors attacked my Muslim
Neighbors the question is who do I stand with because I’m a Christian do I stand with the Christians no I would stand with my Muslim neighbors if my Christian neighbors were attacking my Muslim neighbors for no reason I’m GNA stand with my Muslim neighbors because I am a
Human because of simple Humanity you had over a thousand people were massacred this has nothing to do with their religion it has to do well it does have to do with the ideology the religious ideology that spurred these people to go and murder and burn and kill babies and children you know you
Had a bunch of kids Israelis the majority very secular at a peace concert a peace Rave dancing around a big Buddhist statue by the way and they were attacked and murdered and slaughtered okay that’s inhuman I will stand with and then to have have the Jewish Global
Jewish Community to say our people are being slaughtered and massacred and then to have people all over the all over the Western World all over the world in major capitals celebrating celebrating the slaughter of Israelis and I think think of how they feel so you know before we even discuss
Theology before we even discuss religion this is a simple issue of being a good human wow when humans are being mistreated like people who are acting like animals M you stand with the humans so let me just start there it’s amazing to me that Christians they sort of you
Know put their finger up in the wind and try to decide well which side am I supposed to be on first of all you begin by acting like a human love your neighbor as yourself um is a very basic biblical principle so I have to just start there
Before we even you know discuss uh theology at all yeah I think and a lot of people would you know use that whole idea well Israel is EV evicting Arabs from the East Jerusalem you know and this whole thing Israel is committing war crimes against humanity and you know
And a lot of times a lot of statements are kind of being thrown into but most people don’t realize is that the very fact that uh Hamas is a terrorist organization it doesn’t represent the views of a lot of Muslims um and a lot of Muslims don’t necessarily support
This radical branch of that or people in the Palestine even though the Deep theological roots of that are pretty much Sim ilar root system for both the radical and the peaceful Muslim pal Palestinian people but you know I used Joel the example of you know Ukraine is considered one of the top corrupt
Countries in Europe and when Russia invaded Ukraine and my wife is Russian my wife is as Russian as they come she’s from Moscow so that’s like there’s Russian and then there’s Moscow Russian and so she’s like literally real Russian and um you know I stand against The
Invasion and the slaughter of people who when Russia just pretty much went in to take their land but this doesn’t mean that ukrainians are pure or that the government is not corrupt or they don’t have their own problems or their issues nor is when you know America got
Attacked on with the Twin Towers fell and United States you know had their 911 it doesn’t mean that United States um is righteous and pure and abortion is okay and so many other things that are happening in the United States it’s just like you mentioned as humans when we see
An onslaught of another group whether it happened at R in Rwanda through genocide whether it is happening in Armenia right now whether it’s happening in the Ukraine or in other places and we see on a massive scale this is happening as humans it doesn’t matter which religious
Group is attacking which we stand up for life not for death and not for Slaughter yeah amen amen and you know let me just say this address a couple of the things that you touched on people say well this was justified this was resistance of the occupation so you’re
Going to get a lot of this typical Marxist indoctrination particularly among young people that Israel is just a colonizing occupying Force it’s it’s absolute nonsense or it’s an apari Nation now it’s not to say that there are not problems it’s not to say that there’s not racism in Israel it’s not to
Say there’s not a lot of problems of course there are you’re dealing with a very complicated situation but here are some basic facts and I say this by the grace of God as objectively as possible again I’m friends with people on both sides most people don’t understand the
The the nation of Israel and they don’t understand the Jewish mindset people seem to forget that just yesterday six million Jews were slaughtered in a modern civilized uh nation of Germany and you go just yesterday I mean it was black and white so it was a long time ago um
So I’m going to date myself but you know when I was a freshman in high school Guns and Roses released their album Appetite for Destruction from today until the release of guns and Rose’s first album you’re basically halfway to the Holocaust if you just Bounce from
There and add that same amount of time you’re at the hall it was just yesterday it’s when our you know my parents were children and it was a modern Civilized Nation slaughtered 6 million European primarily European Jews and there were problems all over across the Middle East
So the Jews have this very clear awareness that they’re hated that throughout history they have been the single most persecuted marginalized sought after hunted people in human history and so in the aftermath of the Holocaust the Jewish mentality is we’re going to return to our ancient Homeland
Which we lived in for thousands of years which you know of course the Bible says God gave them that land but even if you don’t believe in the Bible it is their ancient Homeland and they return there with the attitude never again but never again what it essentially means is never
Again are we going to trust these Gentiles these crazy Gentiles are constantly going after us to kill us we will form a military we will become strong and we will protect ourselves and you know every Israeli every Israeli has to serve in the IDF and what this does is it causes there to
Be a spirit throughout the nation a a a real fraternity A brotherhood that recognizes all these people around us want to kill us and the primary priority of the average Jew is to protect and preserve Jewish life and look I’m a Zionist which means that I believe
Israel has every legal right to exist and I believe they have a right to defend themselves just like any other nation in the world to me that is all that Zionism means Israel has a right to exist they have a right to defend themselves I think this is common sense
I think this is again basic Humanity but so you look at the the state of Israel the vast majority of people are not religious the vast majority of people are very non-religious I I joke and I say that Israel has more white people with dreadlocks per capita than any
Other nation in the world you know it’s a nation of hippies of of people who desire peace they want to get along they want to have a friendly neighborhood they just want a place where they can raise their children without being killed MH and so for those who say well
It’s all because of the Israeli occupation occupation as if like the world would just suddenly be peaceful if Israel no longer existed if all the Jews went back to Europe and to which the Jews respond oh so we’re safe in Europe like are you guys even aware of what
Just happened just yesterday six million Jews killed you know like thank you for your incredible insensitivity but so you’re dealing with a nation which overwhelmingly again I want to be clear on one hand they will resort to some strong measures to protect themselves understandably so but for the most part the Jewish mentality
Is we want peace and they want a good life for the Palestinians as evidenced by the fact that when you look at the lives of your average Arab Israeli they have every right like look an Arab could have get elected to become the prime minister of Israel you know
You just had an Arab um Supreme Court Justice who put Jewish leaders in prison for life okay so you know all of this apartheid stuff is nonsense again are there issues are there problems is there racism is there some imbalance of course there is but is there racism in Ukraine
Is there racism in the United States well of course there is a lot so for people who say Well they’re an occupying Force therefore we have the right to slaughter their children I say well then you just gave every American Native American First Nations the right to
Slaughter you and your family if you’re an American and you have nothing that you can say about it they have every right to do that because you’re an occup in force look I mean this is the way of the world Nations peoples migrate conquer and so forth and you know it’s
It’s a horrible reality but by the grace of God from where we are today we don’t believe in slaughtering people now you have Hamas as you said the majority look I travel throughout all these nations I have good friends we work we hire Muslims and they will all say Isis is
Not musl they’re not Muslims those people are not Muslims what they do is against Islam that is not okay so that’s the that’s pretty much the universal uh sentiment of most Muslims they say we disagree with that well Hamas is doing the exact same thing what a lot of
People don’t realize is within the very Constitution literally within the constitution of Hamas they removed it about 13 years ago but this was part of their constitution for years they said Hamas exists to fulfill the Divine call to carry out what’s called the um the prophecy or the Hadith that’s an Islamic
Tradition of the garard tree and the this Hadith of the garard tree says the day of Resurrection will not come in other words the end times will not come until the Muslims fight against the Jews and kill them until there are only a few Jews left hiding themselves behind a
Tree or a rock and then the tree of The Rock will cry out and say oh faithful Muslim there is a Jew behind come and kill him so you actually have this prophecy that says in the last days Muslims will Slaughter and carry out a genocide against the Jewish people and
That the day of Resurrection can’t happen until they do that now again by the grace of God the majority of Muslims think that is a perverse tradition they reject it but you do have this group Hamas that says that’s very that’s the very reason they exist that’s part of
Their constitution you’re not dealing here with symmetry you’re not dealing with moral equivalency two sides that are just crazy you’re dealing with one side that is overwhelmingly Desiring peace you’re dealing with another side which is overwhelmingly Desiring death and and following these evil satanic apocalyptic prophecies which happened to
Dovetail with the Bible which says that in the last days for example Joel chapter 3 the Lord says I will gather all the nations down to the valley of Jehoshaphat or Jerusalem and he says there I will sit to judge the surrounding Nations because they divided
Up my land and they sold my sons in exchange for a prostitute or for wine they engage in human trafficking that’s what the word of God says the last days will be um a time when the Nations will invade Israel try to divide up the land
And and kill Jews and you have this alternative sort of prophetic tradition that says that the people of God the Muslims are called to fulfill these things so you can clearly see what the Lord has spoken Satan knows prophecy he knows biblical prophecy and he has his counterfeit alternative um narrative that he’s
Trying to lead the hearts of mankind and so we can look at these radicals Hamas and say they’re just like Isis they’re acting like animals we don’t support them the problem is you have all of these very ignorant again indoctrinated Western college kids and so forth they think they’re jumping on the justice
Issue of the day and supporting us no you’re supporting a satanic demonic apocalyptic prophecy that calls people to engage in a racist genocide that’s not the side of history that you want to support wow wow almost reminds me of how hmon was trying to wipe out um the Jews
In Babylon and you know then Esther you know cried out and stopped for that and the marai told her he said if you’re acquired today you know God will raise Deliverance for the Jews from another source and I think that this is a good you know point for Christians to rise up
And uh speak up and not only speak up but also pray for Israel and to and specifically to pray because what you highlighted this is not just one group trying to wipe another group this is a group that has these deeply spiritual religious beliefs and um they are being
Used by the enemy to wipe out um the Jewish people now when it comes to Christians a lot of Christians will say well not all ethic um ethnic Israel is true Israel and they they’ll use the Romans chapter 9: 6 7 and 8 dealing with the whole idea that not everyone that is
Ethnically Jewish is actually truly an Israelite and now the church has really become the real true Israel can you speak a little bit into that yeah this is one of the most common little verses that’s often Twisted so all Paul the Apostle was saying is he’s
Saying look a Jew is a true Jew he’s a true Israelite in the truest sense when he has the faith of his father Abraham when he has Faith then he’s a true Israelite if he doesn’t have faith of course he’s still an Israelite of course
He’s still a Jew but he’s not a Jew in the truest sense he’s not an Israelite in the truest sense that’s all it’s saying but people look at it and they say there are many Jews that are fake Jews this is one of the most common tropes that is circulating now on social
Media and the internet they’ll say well the Jews that live in the land today they’re not really Jews they’re fakes they’re khazarians you see all of this rhetoric by the way with the um American Hebrew Israelite the Black Hebrew Israelite cult um it’s completely a cult
It’s this is not a a Christian group at all but you see these cultic groups that have that hold and espouse these very racist um ideas but you see them repeated by normal Christians and so the idea is um Kazar was a Turkish Kingdom um I’m not even remember exactly which
Century during the medieval period where many of them converted to Judaism so people will say well the the people in the land today they’re these Kazarian fakers they’re not real Jews well first of all a very thorough scientific DNA study has disproven this but here’s the problem that most people don’t realize
Is that Jewish identity is not simply ethnic it’s not just bloodline it’s also covenantal so as you mentioned um well You’ you’ve got folks like Ruth like even in the very geneology of Jesus he has Gentiles that are part of his Jewish lineage so throughout history anytime a
Gentile uh fully entered into Covenant with Israel with the Mosaic Covenant with God they joined themselves to Israel they’re considered fully Jewish 100% fully Jewish so even if you did have you know a kingdom back in the medieval period that all converted to Judaism they’re still 100% considered
Jews they’re not fake Jews that’s good and so this is you know an incredibly common racist idea as I said that’s very popular today but again I’m going to go back to Joel chapter 3 so here’s the word of God so people can they can Embrace and jump on all these different
Ideas these conspiracy theories if you will that are popular online but the word of God says this in the last days and it’s in the context of the moono like blood the Sun going dark the cosmic signs the day of the Lord the return of Jesus okay so the timing of this is
Clear the says I’ll gather all the Gentiles all the nations down to the valley of Jehoshaphat again that’s Jerusalem and he says there I will sit to judge the surrounding Nations on behalf of My People Israel my inheritance so the Lord says that in the last days the Nations will invade this
Land and the people that live there he refers to them as Israel my people my inheritance so you can have a Christian that says well they’re not really Israel but the word of God God himself says they are my people they are my inheritance and this is so critical this
Is so critical this is an example of where our Endtime views and our theology actually affects how we relate to people and bad theology is leading many Christians literally to be on the wrong side of the greatest spiritual conflict in human history and they’re embracing satanic false racist narratives and this
Is so critical that we get this right wow wow that’s a that’s a strong strong statement and I agree with you 100% I know um in Book of Revelation you know chapter 2 verse 9 where it’s mentioned about also Jewish people people who claim to um people who are opposing the
Cause of Christ and they’re called that these Jews are part of a synagogue of Satan and I saw a few people even making those remarks that you know look if you’re supporting Israel you you’re supporting a synagogue of Satan and completely taking those verses out of context then could you give more context
To that Revelation uh reference to the synagogue of Satan as it relates to Jews yeah and that’s another this is another big one this is another important one and let me actually uh zoom out a little bit and just touch on a larger issue um so the Bible is filled with a uh
Infam criticism uh you know so you can read from the words of Deuteronomy 32 the words of Moses and you can find some really damning statements in there directed toward the Jewish people um but again it’s an infam discussion you can look at Ezekiel 16 or any of the
Prophets they’re always rebuking each other if you come into my house you might hear me say things to my children when I’m disciplining them that are strong um but if some stranger says that to them in the grocery store um or you know like I can discipline my own
Children I can you know spank my kids although they’re all too old to spank now um they’ve transitioned in the stage where I need to be careful because my son can probably take me out but um but so I can spank my own children but if some stranger in the grocery store
Spanks my children there’s going to be a problem right that’s good so this is what happens with all these Christians they they’ll read some statement in the Bible and then they attack Israel today you know as if well it’s the word of God I have a right to say all these horribly
Insensitive things that are just wildly inappropriate if some stranger tries disciplining my kids in public there’s going to be a problem right so when we get to this issue so that’s a larger issue that we need to realize when we get to the issue as you said of the
Synagogue of Satan so this is within again one of the letters to the seven churches and Jesus basically says he says in your city there are a synagogue he calls it the synagogue of Satan and we know that these people persecuted the Messianic community and Jesus says this
He says they say they are Jews but they’re not so the there’s a lot of debate within the academic community in terms of what was happening here but the word of gods Jesus said they say they’re Jews but they’re not in other words these are not Jews these are people who are
Pretending to be Jews so what are we dealing with here okay so this is very important because I’ve really studied this over the years and I’m convinced that this is the best historically accurate explanation so under the Roman Empire they had a law which says that if you practice an ancient religion you’re
Exempt from participating in a lot of the Roman uh Pagan Temple rituals so every Roman citizen they would have to sacrifice in the Roman Temple it was part of the process of of giving their taxes oftentimes they would have to actually engage with the temple prostitutes so if you’re a Christian you
Don’t want to do that and that’s actually why in Acts 15 when they say look we need you to avoid these things like food sacrifice to Idols you know it kind of lists the things that would have been common when people participated in the Roman Pagan Temple ritual but if you
Were part of an ancient religion there was a spec special exemption so if you practiced Judaism you had a special exemption you didn’t have to engage in these practices so you had synagogues all throughout the Roman world and you had a lot of people that would join the
Synagogues who are not Jews they would join these synagogues for the purpose of the exemption it would actually give them an exemption from having to parti in all of these things and in the first century just like today you had let’s say Hebrew Roots synagogues they were
Gentiles they were not Jews that claimed they were Jews for the special exemption and they were persecuting the the Messianic Community they were persecuting the early church um for the purpose of again these special benefits so I think if we simply take the word of
God for what it says these are not Jews they’re actually Gentiles who say they Jews which is ironic today as I mentioned you have the Black Hebrew Israelite movement wow they say they’re the true Jews they’re not they’re Gentiles you have numerous groups today that say they are the true Israel much
Of the Christian church today says that no they’re not they’re Gentiles that’s such a good explanation it’s a it’s a weird way that they twist a statement which is directed toward Gentiles and they use it to attack any Jew today who’s simply not a believer in Jesus
They call him a synagogue of Satan mhm God calls them My People Israel my inheritance and that’s there’s a profound warning in Romans 11 Paul the Apostle says you better be careful not to be arrogant not to be ignorant but especially don’t be ar arrogant toward the natural branches even if they’re in
Unbelief even if they’ve been broken off so tremble be be fear otherwise you also could be cut off I like how you mentioned it last time that you know that they are that they have this blindness right now and they are our they’re beloved when it comes to being
Elect and they are our enemies when it comes to the cross and and the fact that this blindness that has happened to the Jewish people it’s partial and it’s going to come to an end where Israel will be saved they will see the Messiah they will weep when they will look at
Him at whom they pierced and and even in your exeresis of the Book of Revelation during the tribulation how there’s going to be almost like this quickening and Awakening that will be happening among Jewish people these evangelists that will begin to rise up from Jewish people
And I think it’s very important to have a Biblical perspective we are aware that there’s a blinding that has happened I mean you look at even Ben Shapiro’s statement at Joe Rogan’s you know about Christ and that’s the view that most um some Jewish people have that he just
He’s not the son Jesus is not the Son of God he um is not the Messiah he pretty much got killed because he said some stuff against Romans and Roman Empire killed him and so but it did this doesn’t give us the right to be arrogant and proud and start developing theories
And ideas that are not anchored in the scripture and start changing the scripture like uh Joel mentioned if we could shift a little bit into the as we talked a little bit about the past as we can shift a little bit into the the end times um View and and world view and
There is a predominant world view about the end times that is rising especially among the intellectuals and young people that pretty much in summary says that most of the prophetic words already have come to pass you know they’ll quote different things like for example that Jesus made this statement that these
Things will happen within this generation and they say that this means 40 years and within that 40e period you know Jerusalem gets destroyed that Nero was that representation of 666 he was the Beast that Rome was built in Seven Hills and that was destroyed the abomination of desolation already
Happened and pretty much all of this stuff is already happened and Jesus even some versions say Jesus already came at 70 AD at the destruction of Jerusalem and and people who are teaching this futuristic view of end times are just pretty much preachers of Doom and Gloom
And they’re not building The View on your Kingdom Come On Earth as it is in heaven and so and I’m noticing a lot more even Scholars biblical Scholars who are very respectful and very respected in the Christian world who are embracing this View and I want to kind of um get
Your take and I understand this is a very big question but if we can start if you can maybe just give more of your summary of different views of end times and why there are flaws with this particular view that um the end time prophecies already have come to pass and
Book of Revelation speaks about the past and there’s just only one part about it and that is Jesus coming back and everything else has already come true yeah so this is huge let me just address the issue of Trends first so you know the reason right now Vlad that I’m
Wearing slightly tighter fitting jeans is because that’s what’s popular these days and that’s not simply popular because it’s what’s cool it’s what’s popular because Executives and PR marketing um individuals had meetings and each year they decide what is going to be the fashion for the next season
And they roll it out and they push it and then we jump on board um their plans and we spend more money than we need to um and they’re constantly changing the fads and trends like we’re all subject to Trends now within the church today let me just say this whoever wins The
Narrative wins like whoever controls the story The Narrative wins well the way that you’re let’s say you’re average 22y old kid that goes to Bible school or seminary he looks out at the the landscape of the um the church and he goes on one side you have as you
Said the these very intellectuals these Scholars these academics men like NT W or RC Sproul and they say well we believe that all of the Prophecies of the Bible were fulfilled in 70 AD and these guys are real hip you know NT Wright talks about how he’s sipping Jin
And um you as he’s writing his book he’s very intellectual speaks so eloquently and he he’s such a a broad spect of disciplines that he’s conversant in the guy’s brilliant then on the other side and I’m going to exaggerate here a bit and forgive me but on the other side you
Have John haggy you know kind of this American Texas Baptist pastor that’s kind of got a bit of a Southern accent and he talks about America and Israel that’s a match made in heaven Hallelujah and he doesn’t come across you know obviously he’s an incredibly intelligent guy but he doesn’t come
Across the same way as these gin sipping phds so when you get your average 22y old kid in seminary he’s sipping coffee he wants to be hip he’s really on board with all the trends he looks out who is he going to choose he’s going to choose
The guys that he identifies with their style and their their Ambiance if you will much more so and so they just they pick a side they pick a team and as as you mentioned this is a huge Trend within the church and a big of it a big
Part of it is because it’s a trend but the reality is the John hages that are saying we should stand with Israel they might not necessarily be thoroughly nuanced they might not necessarily um yeah be nearly as nuanced as again you know the anti rights and
And a lot of these um those within the academy you know with all of the credentials after their name but the thing of it is is he’s right and so this really goes back to this whole issue of prism prism is just the idea that all biblical prophecy was largely fulfilled
In the first century it comes down to this intertwined in all of these prophecies you know the battles at the End of the Age the attack of Jerusalem intertwined intally inseparably intertwined with these things is the return of Jesus and when you read them in context it’s clear that the return of Jesus
Happens in the same timing context as all these other events so partial predatorists they call themselves partial prist they’ll basically say that all these things were fulfilled you know the Great Tribulation the Antichrist um the mark of the beast that was all fulfilled but the return of
Jesus that’s still future and the reason they do that is because the Creeds of Christendom the Creeds of Christendom throughout history have said the day is coming in the future when Jesus will return so they realize that if they say Jesus has already returned they’ve actually deviated from Christianity
Itself they’re no longer even adhering to the historic IAL Creeds of Christendom so they want to remain as Orthodox Christians but they’re trying to sort of do away and get rid of all these end time prophecies because they think it’s crass they think it’s silly they’re tired of it they don’t like the
Lack of nuance they think it’s just mongering and so forth but as I said you cannot you cannot responsibly look at the texts and separate the return of Jesus from all of these other events you can’t do it you can’t do it if you’re honest and so then what you have is the
Full cists or the consistent preterists or sometimes called hyper preterists and these are the guys who actually say Jesus already did return in 70 AD but he returned mystically invisibly that when he said the son of man is going to come in the clouds and glory with all of his
Angels He didn’t mean that literally give me a break I mean anti Wright actually mocks the idea that Jesus is going to return like some spaceman from the sky he says that’s an abhorent idea that no Jew would ever believe he mo actually mocks the idea and so you
Actually do have many who are embracing hyper prism which to be very clear Vlad is heresy it’s actually a rejection of the historical Christian faith it’s it’s no longer even Christian but the foundation for all of these things it actually goes back to the first century the big conflict the two World Views
That were in conflict in the first century was the Greek Pagan worldview versus the Biblical Hebrew worldview and to keep it real simple the Greek Pagan worldview says that the Earth the Physical Realm is bad it’s corrupt and the spiritual realm which is the immaterial realm where ghosts and
Spirits live that’s good and the goal of life is to escape the shell of this corrupt body and become Spirits in heaven forever so that’s the that’s essentially a very o you know simplified overview of the Greek philosophical worldview the Biblical Hebrew worldview says in the beginning God created the
Heavens and the Earth and they’re all good they’re all good the Earth is good the heavens are good and they’re both physical and and spiritual they’re both and when all is said and done through the cross Jesus is going to redeem all things both in heaven and on earth and
The Physical Realm is not bad it just needs to be redeemed in the same way the heavens need to be redeemed there are principalities powers in the heavens that are corrupt everything will be restored by The Cosmic Redemption if you will by the holistic Redemption that
Comes from the cross he didn’t just come to save our souls he came to renew and restore all things okay so when you start there our prist friends our prist brothers and sisters again they are our brothers and sisters they’re just very misled they Embrace a hermeneutic which
Is a a way of interpreting the Bible which spiritualizes things so how can they say all these things already happen they have to Spirit ual them and the funny thing with this Vlad is that the only place this flies the only realm where this works is in the world of
Theology but you try it in real life tell your wife you know honey I have always been faithful to you I mean not literally you know I haven’t been literally faithful but but but mystically allegorically speaking I’ve always been like it doesn’t work in real life but they try to say oh God’s
Spiritually faithful he’s not literally faithful he didn’t literally restore the Throne of David as he promised he didn’t literally give Israel the land um forever as he promised no those things should be reinterpreted reimagined understood in a whole new light spiritually and that’s a spiritual hermeneutic and that’s the only way that
You can be a prist without in my opinion distorting and twisting the word of God Is by embracing a Greek Pagan philosophical worldview and this has been a problem in the church from the very beginning but a lot of the prist they they would say that you know the
Church all the church early church fathers have embraced that world view and it’s only been since the skolfield Bible that this idea of futurist view was presented what do you say about that yeah it’s nonsense look when you look at the earliest Church writers they were premillennialists the earliest of the
Early church writers um Justin modder papus hippolytus lact tanious victorus like you have many of them tertullian they were premillennialist they belied that Jesus was going to return and literally restore um a a Thousand-Year Reign on the Earth from Jerusalem okay now um they are correct in that a lot of
This Greek um thought and replacement theology it crept in very early Paul the Apostle was already warning of it during his ministry and so the alexandrian school okay so you have Clement of Alexandria very prominent early Church Father then you had Oren these guys are like the champions of allegorical spiritualized mystical interpretation
But where did they come from they came from the school of Alexandria that’s over in Egypt and that was a hot bed of Greek Pagan philosophical study so you had a lot of the early church writers they embraced Christianity but they still embrace the Pagan world view and
So eventually um it was under August or Augustine that this sort of amillennialist spiritualized belief was cemented and it became the standard from that that time forward and so they’re they are right in that it’s been the dominant view of the church throughout much of history but the earliest of the
Early church writers still were holding on to what I’ll call the Jewish apocalyptic worldview which is simpli simplified it simply this the Bible views history is divided up between this age and the age to come this age is broken this age is corrupt this age is separated from the
Age to come by the day of the Lord which is typified by the return of God from heaven and blazing fire with his armies to execute Vengeance and punishment against the wicked salvation rest rewards for the righteous and then you have the age to come which is again the
Thousand Years of Peace on the Earth Christ ruling from Jerusalem and then the Eternal state so um that’s the Jewish apocalyptic worldview the early church writers embraced it but they did slowly start deviating away from it but anyone who tells you that all of the early church writers rejected these
Things um they they’re ignorant I want to look at just maybe one or two um scriptural references you have a very great explanation for them that prist use especially the one about Jesus saying Matthew 24 434 you know that uh this generation will by no means pass
Away until all these things take place and they would they take the Matthew 27 and they pretty much break the three questions that were asked in the beginning you know when will these things happen when will be the end of age when will be the sign of your coming
And when will be the destruction of Jerusalem and Jesus kind of you know throws a lot of answers there and so they differentiate that and some people say simply all of those things that Jesus mentioned you know the escape in the W don’t pray pray that it will not
Happen in the winter all of that took place with the destruction of Jerusalem because Jesus referred to this generation and you have a reference in Deuteronomy 30 and Daniel 12 how that all these things in light of the teachings of Deuteronomy and Daniel they don’t mean what some of these people who
Are saying that Jesus’s Second Coming the end time has come with the destruction of Jerusalem can you speak a little bit into that yeah okay so again I’m going to first zoom out a little bit and say Here’s the primary hermeneutical difference between predatorists and futurists I’m a futurist I believe the
Vast majority of the Prophecies of Daniel and Revelation are yet in the future that they revolve around the return of Jesus they’re speaking of the events that largely precede the return of Jesus in the day of the Lord okay so I am going to look at the vast majority
The over whelming number of passages throughout the prophets and I’m going to interpret them at face value When God says to Abraham I’m going to give you and your descendants this land forever he meant forever um and then I’m going to look at a bunch of these various texts in the
New Testament which our Predator friends refer to as timing texts um for example this generation or these things must come to pass shortly U these type of statements they should be understood in context most often to communicate urgency most often they’re to communicate urgency to be ready to live
A life of Readiness and preparedness um but they should they should be understood as um as uh yeah as statements um what’s the word I’m looking for as idioms if you will as uh Expressions they’re communicating urgency um but they’re not to be understood as these rigid unbendable timing statements like
Shortly must mean like what does shortly mean it must mean within 40 years anything other than that is ridiculous no it’s saying these things are pressing be ready for these things but all of these other statements they need to be taken at face value now our predus
Friends will say no the timing texts they need to be um understood in a very rigid literal unbendable sense and all of these other vast wealth of prophecies and Promises they need to be reinterpreted mystically and spiritually so the the question is which side of the equation are you going to
Put the emphasis of literalism on and they’re going to demand that this generation or these things must come to pass they’re going to demand those must be taken literally and then they’re going to throw everything else away not throw it away but they’re going to trash it by reinterpreting them mystically
Okay so I would say the far more responsible approach is that you take the vast majority of the word of God at face value and recognize that at times the Lord uses Expressions to communicate urgency okay now with regard to this very specific statement this generation
Will not pass away this has very clear Old Testament backstory that needs to be understood this is not something that just some American English Christian reads and goes oh it must be this generation it must mean those born within a 40-year period that heard Jesus’s words blah blah blah no this
Actually goes back to the very first Messianic Prophecy in the whole Bible where the Lord declares to the serpent as soon as the fall has happened in the garden the Lord makes the statement to the serpent he says I’m going to put enmity or conflict history from here
Forward will be defined by a battle between you and the woman between your Offspring and her Offspring so between the children of The Serpent and the children of Eve history will be defined by a conflict between the righteous and the unrighteous and so then later in Deuteronomy 32 Moses rebukes Israel and
He says you are an Unfaithful generation the word there in both the Hebrew and the Greek it has a very nuanced specific meaning that’s a bit different than the English generation he’s saying this particular people that have this Spirit he’s saying you are not children of your father father your
Children of the serpent so you see this language John the Baptist Jesus you see it throughout the prophets they when Jesus says you brood of vipers you he’s saying you children of the snake you’re not true Israelites you follow the way of your father the devil
So when he says this generation will not pass away he’s using it in the sense of saying this wicked rebellious people they will not disappear all of these things will come to pass he not making a statement that it will happen within 40 years or this type of thing because
Basically usually the way people answer this that are futurist like myself they say no that just means that the individuals that saw all of these things like the restoration of the state of Israel they go it’ll be within 40 or 80 years of that a generation they play you
Know with the timing of what a generation is I don’t think that’s what it’s saying at all I think it has a very specific biblical meaning and when he says this generation he’s saying this people that has this Spirit of rebellion this Spirit of um yeah Rebellion against
The Lord they won’t pass away they will remain until the very end and that’s all it’s saying when you when you look at all the verses and you you lay it out um from the beginning to the end it it’s a Gooding argument that’s such a good explanation because I’ve heard quite a
Few few people especially the futurists who begin to add the 40 years and then they increase it to 50 years 60 years uh since the establishment of Israel and they begin to start making these um dates start throwing dates and I’ve see this in books if you’re reading this
Book and we are raptured and you’re left behind you know this is what you must do and you know and and of course how you explained it giving us a background picture of that um is so good could you highlight a little bit more into some of the prophecies that really matched the
History and can these prehistoric you know prophetic things like for example Le about Nero and about desolation the the things that were happening in the temple how these things are not just the Fulfillment of the past but they also pretty much a prefigure of the events that are coming in the
Future yeah so this is again you know an issue that comes up in the debate between futurists and pedist so they’ll say for example um one example is antus epiphanies he was the eth king of the cusd dynasty um basically modern day Turkey Syria Iraq um and he invaded Israel in the
Midst of sort of these conflicts that he had with the talic Egyptian uh Dynasty to the South he eventually invades Israel and the events that he did were barbaric they were horrible they’re recorded in the books of macbes the extra biblical books of mccabes um you know he he killed over
40,000 Jews he exiled another 40,000 horrible stories he made Judaism illegal um you know if he found out that someone circumcised their baby he would throw the baby off a wall you know real brutal stuff right well eventually he sacrificed a pig in the temple and then
Sort of defiled the temple with the pork gravy you know he spread the juices all over the place and so that becomes a historical prefigurement of the Antichrist and the Abomination that causes desolation The Book of Daniel um chapter 8 and 11 use anti as epies as a as a a
Pattern for the Antichrist but our predus friends say that’s it it’s all fulfilled he was the Fulfillment of those prophecies and there’s nothing more and I go guys you don’t understand the way Hebrew prophecy Works um its ultimate fulfillment is in the last days again the primary overwhelming burden of the prophets are
The events that surround the return of Jesus and surround the day of the Lord mhm the events that proed and follow the return of Jesus everything is focused on the future singular day of the Lord in the return of Jesus that that is our blessed hope that’s where history is
Moving the entire biblical narrative is pointing to that day but scripture gives us these historical patterns now they’ll say well it was all fulfilled no in the Hebrew mindset you have these interim fulfillments these partial fulfillments that doesn’t mean that it’s the ultimate fulfillment let me give you a really
Great example um this one is brought up all the time in various discussions with our pedist friends um toward the very end of the Book of Joshua Joshua 23:14 it says this so now again they’re in the land Israel is in the land they’re under the leadership of Joshua at the end of
His career and it says Now Behold today I am going the way of all the Earth so here’s Joshua speaking and as you know in all your hearts and in all your souls that not one word of all the good words which the Lord your God spoke concerning
You has failed all have been fulfilled for you not one of them has failed so there’s an example where our predus friends say hey look all of the prophecies have already been fulfilled Israel already possessed the land it’s fulfilled it’s over okay that’s that’s their interpretation the problem with this
Vlad is that when you look at the promises yes here’s the IR of this is they admit and they acknowledge that God promised the Israelites the land they admit it and they go but it’s all fulfilled they have it and now it’s done he doesn’t have to do anything anymore
The problem is the promises were Perpetual he says I will give you this land as an everlasting possession so if you acknowledge that the pro the promises even exist you can’t say well it was fulfilled in history and it’s over yes none of the words Lord none of the Lord’s words
Failed and they won’t fail which means the land still belongs to them it belongs to them forever but that’s an it’s just a classic example where they say one and done it’s fulfilled it’s over and that is not how the Jewish mind works you have interim partial fulfillments or you know dress
Rehearsals if you will but they are just foreshadows of the ultimate final fulfillment which is Yet to Come and plus you know Paul tells us that the Lord will the day of the Lord will not come until the Antichrist will sit in the temple you know but at the time of
This epistle circulating in the early church the temple is already destroyed you know so how can Paul’s prophecy be fulfilled can you speak a little bit into the fact that um the temple has to be built you know for Christ to come in and um and we and Israel is getting
Close to I mean there there’s already the in the temple Institute that they are developing I’ve heard that even most of the mature do they already have it and and they could build it in within few years once they get the permission to uh put it where the Dome of the Rock
Is okay so this is another issue of profound controversy um because a lot of Christians will say well the New Testament says that we are the temple of God um therefore there is no future literal Temple um this the New Testament also says that Jesus uh is a temple It also says the
Church corporately is a temple we as individuals are Temple of God because the Holy Spirit lives in us the Holy Spirit lives in the church corporately and obviously the Holy Spirit lived in Jesus so we’re all temples yeah but in no way shape or form would they then
Understand all of the other references throughout the New Testament because the majority are to the literal temple in no way would they then reinterpret all those and say oh well that must be talking about a mystical spiritual Temple you can see here how the Greek U mentality Creeps in so you have multiple
Statements um in the Bible which proves that there will be a literal physical Temple rebuilt the foundation texts for this are throughout the Book of Daniel you have references to the abomination of desolation in Daniel chapter 8 like verses 11-15 kind of right in that area
You have it in um Daniel 9 I believe verse 26 or 27 then you have it in Daniel 11:31 and then chapter 12:1 four references to the abom to the temple itself clearly uses the language of the temple there’s no way you can spiritualize it there in Daniel will be
Desolate desolated um desecrated by the Antichrist now Jesus refers to that he says as was spoken up by the Prophet Daniel the abomination of desolation he says when you see those things Jesus places it in the future yeah Paul the Apostle then talks about it and elaborates on it and says the Antichrist
Will set himself up in the temp temple in the seat of God proclaiming himself as if he is God that has not happened yet Titus did not do that the Romans did not do that it has not happened in history so the point is there will be a
Temple It also says in Revelation 11 John the Apostle was told to measure the temple but leave the outer Court out because that will be given to the Gentiles so the point is this is Jesus made it very clear there will be a literal Temple that will be rebuilt and
It will be defiled it will be abominated um which means that it will actually be viewed in a in a way as Holy by God you can’t desecrate something that’s not previously holy um and then of course there’ll be another Temple that will be rebuilt during the millennial period
Ezekiel 40-48 lays that out in great detail in other passages in Zechariah and so forth so there’s a lot of debate in the church about this but yes absolutely there will be a temple now I’m going to for the sake of your audience Vlad I’m going to actually
Share some something that I have not ever shared publicly um and that sounds like oh you know what’s he going to say but this is this is real like this this sounds like the stuff of Christian prophecy fantasy it like it doesn’t even sound real um
But I have a friend um I won’t say his name and he was in a meeting um I’ll just say that he is a very prominent leader in the land of Israel and um a few years ago just before Co he was invited to a meeting um under the Temple
Mount they have all these tunnels and whole network a whole world down there and he was invited um I won’t say why but there was a meeting where you had the um the grand muy of Jerusalem um Sheik Alaya is the current um Grand Muti
You had a bunch of the imams from alas like you’re talking like the big Heavy Hitters of the whole nation MH along with many of the chief rabbis like the leading authorities within the Jewish community and this whole meeting was to discuss basically saying it’s time to
Rebuild the Third Temple and you go both Muslims and Jews were in agreement on this and the reason because people will go I don’t believe it why well a lot of it has to do with financial incentives um the individual family that’s going to fund it has agreed to you know throw let’s
Say another hundred million or so at the revitalization of East Jerusalem and it’s being presented they’re not calling it The Third Temple they’re calling it a house of worship for all nations but the whole discussion the whole meeting was to discuss how do we introduce this to
The Wider Arab and Jewish populations to make it acceptable this will bring about peace between our people um there is a degree to where they’re all tired of the cycle of violence and then again the financial incentive but the point is this what I’m saying right now it’s real
Like it really happened um you know I wasn’t there personally but I’m telling you the individuals that shareed the information this is like behind the scenes there is very real plans and movements to rebuild the Temple and as you said the temple Institute is ready to do so um the
Scriptures are clear that these things will happen and so you know that was three and a half years ago when that that meeting happened wow um when will it actually happen the point is behind the scenes it’s just like Saudi Arabia like for years I said yeah you know
Israel and Saudi Arabia they’re talking they’re in they’re eventually going to announce normalization and you know no one believed it and then all of a sudden it starts popping out in the news it becomes a normal conversation then it happens that’s the way that diplomacy works and that’s actually what’s
Happening with the temple and you know the scripture also teach us in Zechariah 14 and we’re going to bring this to an end uh here in just a few minutes but in Zechariah 14 it talks about you know the day of the Lord and I love how you
Explained the the Jewish the Israeli View view of the end times when Jesus came on this Earth that was the predominant view you know this age and the age to come and it all pretty much what separated those ages is the coming of the Messiah of coming of of of Jesus
Coming of Christ and of course they missed the the coming of Jesus to suffer and die for our sins but there’s so much more references in the old in somebody even said eight times more references about Jesus’s Second Coming than his first coming and Israelites they a lot
Of the Jew people they’ve missed that when he came and died for our sins but I feel like a lot of Christians today they are oblivious and they missed his second coming and they keep coming up with this idea especially in the in the modern Christianity to pretty much ignore that
That that doesn’t matter all we need to do is just have Revival and I’m all for Revival I’m all for reformation I’m all for Great Commission and Jesus told us you know don’t worry about the time when disciples asked him when are you going to establish the kingdom um of Israel
And he says don’t worry about that you know you focus on going and changing the Nations and bringing the good news but the Bible does talk about clear day of the Lord and it talks about that this day of the Lord Israel is going to be in its final battle especially in Zechariah
Chapter 14 and and seeing all this war constant tension in the Middle East can you speak a little bit about the biblical understanding and the Hebrew text concerning this battle that will happen around Jerusalem that will bring the day of the Lord yeah so the Bible talks about
Something it calls the it say it says in Jeremiah um might be 30 30-33 it’s right in there it talks about the controversy of Zion and it actually says the Lord has a day of Vengeance because of the cause or the controversy of Zion in fact let me even add this
Um Joel chapter 3 speaks of we’ve I’ve touched on Joel 3 a few times here talks about the Nations being gathered to Jerusalem and the Lord says there I will sit to judge the Nations because of how they treated My People Israel my inheritance in Matthew
25 which is part of the all of it discourse it’s part of Jesus’s sermon about the end times he tells the parable of the sheep and goats and he says when the son of man comes in his glory he will then he then after he comes back then he will restore
The Throne of the glory that’s the Throne of his father David he says and then he will gather all the nations before him as as a Shepherd separates the sheep from the goats and he says that he will judge people based on how they treated the
Least of these my brethren I was naked and you clothed me I was thirsty you gave me and so there’s this debate within the church well is this just the poor in general or are these Christians you know Jesus said who is my mother and
My brother but the one who does my so is it Christians well again Jesus if you simply look at the context he’s sitting there on the Mount of Olives looking down at the valley of Jehoshaphat MH and he says the day is coming he is expounding upon Joel chapter 3 Matthew
25 the parable of the sheep and goats is just an expansion of Joel 3 where he says and and get this something is coming in the earth a controversy a conflict that is coming that will be so definitive so Monumental that Nations will be judged they will either inherit the
Kingdom or they will be cast into the Lake of Fire contingent on how they responded to that controversy the Lord has purposefully in his sovereignty allowed Israel to be like a canary in the coine to be a test to be a barometer of men’s Hearts how will you respond in
The day of Jacob’s trouble will you stand with your beloved enemies you know they’re beloved for the sake of the covenants and the promises they’re enemies as it regards to the gospel but will you stand with them in the day of their trouble or will you stand against them will you
Partner with Satan in his role as accuser as the finger pointer or will you stand with God’s inheritance His People Israel and so absolutely the rage the insanity of hatred against Israel is exploding throughout the Earth and I know you want to wrap this up let me just say this Scholars of anti-Semitism
Throughout history they go there’s no consistent reason you know you go well why did why did um Pharaoh want to wipe out all the there’s one reason but at another time why did hmon want to kill the Jew well there was a different reason well why did Hitler want every
Time there’s an effort to exterminate the Jewish people there’s a completely different reason and they go there’s no consistency if there was consistency we could EXP explain it but there’s no reason and what this leads us to believe is that there is a devil there is a very real spiritual Dynamic a malevolent
Force that knows the scriptures that knows the plan of God and Israel’s role in that and he has always been determined to wipe out the Jewish people now a lot of our friends our Christian friends they go you’re trying to tell me because I’m reformed because I love John
Calvin whatever you’re trying to tell me I’m anti-semitic I’m not anti-semitic and I’m sick of you accusing me of anti-Semitism look there are a lot of Christians that hold to theologies that are unbiblical they don’t hate Israel but they are supporting structural racism they are supporting doctrines which logically
Lead to the mistreatment of the Jewish people and I’ve written a whole book on this demonstrating the long historical continuity of Christian theological ideas once you say that God has with bu that this people is dissolved they no longer exist they no longer have a Homeland they’re no longer people their
Destiny is to just to be dispersed among the Nations once you say this people is no longer people and you believe that that’s God’s Will and that you’re a servant of God then the question very naturally becomes well how should I treat them if God’s mad at them if God
Doesn’t like them then I shouldn’t like them and that’s the deadly logic that’s the danger of replacement theology and it doesn’t mean these guys have a hatred in their heart toward Israel but they need to realize the ideas that they are espousing have it’s not just that they could lead to
Mistreatment of the Jewish people they have throughout the history of the Christian church and I would really encourage everyone if you want to dig into this more my book is called when a Jew rules the world I give it away for free as a PDF file on my website if you
Want a hard cover you can get it on Amazon I don’t care I’m not in the business of books you know for profit but I really believe it’s an important book for this hour so that’s that’s the book where you highlight when the Jews R
Rule the world yep when a Jew rules the world when a Jew rules the world yeah we’re going to definitely drop that into a link but Joel I do have to ask you one more question the final the final question I want to be respectful of your
Time um we did an interview about last year about the Islamic Antichrist and that was huge when it was translated in Russian language Spanish so many people started to message back and it really just kind of have opened their eyes to a different worldview than the one that
Was propagated by Left Behind series and some of the American uh futuristic you know uh preachers who teach really well but at the same time they’re heavily influenced by you know we will not go to Rapture and then Antichrist is going to be this European leader who will rise to
Rule final Western Empire and of course you spent a lot of time in Middle East and could you in a in a short summary give us just a basic understanding biblical understanding that’s most likely to happen when it comes to Antichrist that it’s not a European leader most
Likely so this is uh you know again controversial I love the fact that everything we talk about here today you keep introducing say it before every statement this is this is controversial temp was controversial and everything so those of you who love Israel and uh you’re not a you’re not afraid to show
It drop the flag in the chat and show your love and support and like Joel mentioned just because we show love and we pray for this nation this does not mean that we do not love Palestinians we don’t love people that are Muslims nor
Do we wish uh for them to be wiped out or to be killed absolutely not as Christians we pray for all people we are Gentiles we are grateful to the nation of Israel for we are those branches that were drafted in but we are also believing for salvation of all of those
People as well as people peoples around around the world and stuff so please do not hear this that somehow uh in some way in our prayer for Israel or our prayer for Jerusalem that somehow it we want everybody else to die that is not the thing so um but concerning the
Antichrist yeah I mean when we say we pray for the Peace of Jerusalem it’s for all the people of Jerusalem amen it’s for the Arabs for the Christians the Armenians the Jews of course um that should absolutely go without saying so um to very simp very simply simplify the subject that you’re talking
About you have something called biblical geography and this is something unfortunately that most Christians are ignorant of so the Bible is filled with toponyms with place names and it actually tells us in several different passages where the Antichrist will come from um it’s at one time it refers to him as um the
Assyrian so you know we look at that we go does must he be an ethnic Assyrian I don’t think that we need to take it that literally um but it’s very difficult to say that um Nikolai Carpathia you know he’s the Antichrist figure and left behind that he’s the Assyrian I think
It’s fair to say that someone that has called the Assyrian would come from at least within the borders of the ancient Assyrian Empire which again is largely turkey Syria Iraq um that that part of the world Ezekiel 3839 is absolutely one of the most significant prophecy in the Bible
That talks about the Antichrist Gog is another name for the Antichrist and he clearly comes from Asia Minor he comes from Turkey um Daniel 11 also refers to the Antichrist as the king of the north from the region of turkey the salusa dynasty um so you have at least three
Passages arguably quite quite a few others that point to the geography where the Antichrist will come from from the region North of Israel in in turkey and so I’m not I want to be clear I’m not saying that the current uh president erdogan of Turkey is the Antichrist
That’s not my point but the scriptures do point to that part of the world there is not a single verse in the entire Bible Vlad that mentions a European nation that will follow the Antichrist there’s not a single one um not a single verse anywhere that mentions a Christian
Majority Nation as being part of the Coalition of the Antichrist but it does name numerous middle Eastern Nations Persia push um I’m sorry put Kush Libya Egypt turkey all of the Nations that surround Israel they’re named by name tribes peoples regions numerous prophecy numerous prophecies um throughout the
Bible that talk about this and so we need to remember the Bible is and always has been a thoroughly Jerusalem Centric book that’s the context and if we want to understand it rightly we need to as Christians know what some of these names mean you know we often we read these Old
Testament passages we read something blah blah blah blah and you know um Kush and we go I don’t know Kush some Old Testament name we just kind of moving on like we don’t stop and Ponder what these names mean what are they pointing to and if we do so interpret the Bible responsibly
Knowing what these names mean it clearly points to a coalition of Nations that surround Israel Israel’s neighbors that will form an alliance that will reform an Empire that will invade the land now in terms of Europe in terms of all these other nations how will they play into it
And the answer is we don’t know where the Bible is silent we need to be very careful when the Bible emphasizes something we should emphasize it and that doesn’t mean that European nations won’t be involved it doesn’t mean that at all what it means is we don’t know
And we need to be very careful and your um book the Islamic Antichrist also highlight the fact that you know U MDI the the Islam is looking for their Messiah figure and when you actually have about 20 different points of highlighting how he fits the description the biblical description of the
Antichrist that will come that Christians are you know believing that Antichrist will come that he will be their Messiah and so and that fits so honestly kind of makes sense especially seeing what’s been happening in the Middle East seeing that this um you know small little pieces that they have a
Piece would they would have and then they would get broken and and um I would encourage you guys we we’ll pin the link to that interview and we’ll also pin the link to the the book that Joel has here has few books concerning this the uh the
Middle East beast and then the Islamic Antichrist and you will find them very intriguing and very scriptural and as well as he’s they’re very well researched and and they just kind of take away from a lot of the mainline Christian view that we see right now all
Over the news you know different pastors and preachers prophecy teachers especially you know taking the the words from Putin and saying okay this is another confirmation the Antichrist you know he’s going to be Gog which is Russia or Rush is going to be Russia and they take a Hebrew name and translate it
Into English and apply it to a name of Russia and it’s just completely completely off and we have a whole interview where Joel went through all of these um misconceptions that people have and stuff so you guys will really be blessed by that interview and Joel um I
Know that you’re a part of a Ministry that is currently helping um Israelis and helping people who are affected by this conflict that is happening in the Middle East right now could you speak a little bit into it sure yeah we’re working so the ministry that I’m uh currently the
Chairman of the board of its Frontier Alliance International um so I think it’s Fai mission .org is the website and yeah we’ve been working with the IDF um giving Aid um to those soldiers that are on the front lines and basically look in order to Be an Effective witness to the Jewish people
We have to first be good neighbors good humans and the best way to be good neighbors right now is in the midst of their existential crisis of trying to protect preserve their own fam’s lives we want to stand with them and so we’re doing that in very practical way um and
So you have Frontier lines International we have the Israel fund we also have the bomb shelter campaign where we’re helping to refurbish and clean out bomb shelters and so forth but uh it’s been a real honor and privilege for us to partner um with the IDF in in doing this
Awesome well guys um thank you so much for joining us today and Joel um thank you for finding the time uh for that and Joel will be with hungry Jen on November I’m going to look at the calendar right now on November 19th um so on Sunday
Morning both of our services so if you’re anywhere nearby um plan to come and visit us and he will be there um and he will share um a message about end times and I think it’s going to be very powerful enlightening and I think the church needs to become more equipped uh
With Biblical truth especially with people who have understanding of the Middle East instead of um translating or seeing all of the biblical prophecy through the lens of of Western Western countries and so I really appreciate that Joel thank you so much for your time and appreciate your insights thank
You so much Vlad looking forward to uh being with you all in hungry Jen thank you okay guys thank you so much for joining us today I hope that this was encouraging and enlightening if you enjoyed this interview um drop number one in the chat we are praying for
Israel we’re praying for Armenia we’re praying for Ukraine we are looking at these um things that are happening um right now in the world through the biblical lens um as well as through the prophetic lens addressing some of the views that exist within the christiandom that exist among the young people um
Concerning uh the prophecies looking at how the Israel Jewish people uh had their world view of end times um as well as all of these um some heresies that we have addressed some of the demonic ideas that are circulating circulating around right now and the Bible clearly states
That those who bless Israel God said to Abraham they will be blessed and so I just Christians um please please um don’t um do this thing where you know the Hitler did using the scriptures to justify um attacking Jewish people um this does not mean that everything that
Israel you know has done what is doing is always going to be right especially when War happens there’s a lot of stuff that happens there just wrong and um but I think that as you know as a nation they have a right to defend themselves
And I think they have a right like it happened during Esther’s time like it happened during David’s time like it happened during other times where they you know David uh defended his homeland against amalekites you know when God sent soul to wipe out amalekites you know and that’s a trigger scripture for
A lot of people they’re like how could God do that you know when a nation like amalekites would would just be barbaric and attack violently unexpectantly um his people you know he uh is a God of Justice you know and this has not only happened with amalik ites God attacked
And destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah he destroyed the first world he is a just God and um sin will be punished Our God will demand punishment for sin and therefore he is very patient he asks and tells us and commands us to repent so that we don’t face that judgment and he
Sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross and he took the full wrath of God upon himself so that we can be redeemed but you know I’m currently Reading part of my reading plan I’m reading Revelation and like you know I’m not going to lie to you those are very
Strong statements you see you know all of these bad things happening in the world and people not repenting and people not repenting and God giving them a chance but there’s still not repenting and so and God doesn’t just say well you know I get it I understand you know like
Um it is what it is um God you know he is a God of Justice and he punishes uh sin and you wouldn’t want a god who’s not just and think about like would you want a judge that’s bribed that could be bribed you know the only time we don’t
Like justice is when we are the criminals but when we are sinned against um we scream for justice we want to live in countries in Nations where justice prevails and our God is a holy God righteous God and just loving and merciful but is also just God and he will punish sin and
He will punish Sinners um who don’t repent and so and that day is coming the day of the Lord is coming the Jesus’s second coming is coming the Bible is very clear about it and we as Christians live with hopeful expect expectation of his coming uh we live with
Anticipation um Jesus kept talking about these Parables to live expecting his return and so um people who kind of make fun of that idea and say well you know he already returned that’s not what he meant this simply means you’re not doing anything for God by you know sitting on
Your uh biblical prophecies and just expecting for Jesus to come and solve everything you should go and solve all the problems and we don’t mean that we should not go into school schools colleges every sphere of our society no we have to be extremely active right now
We’re Salt and Light we are missionaries evangelists we are to plant churches we are to raise families we are to start schools we are to start Ministries we are to go into this world Jesus has all the authority but with it as we’re believing for greater Revival and
Reformation we’re also believe the words that Jesus said is that he is coming back the world is not getting better in the midst of all these amazing revivals the human nature humans are getting worse their moral state is getting worse their mental state is getting worse I
Mean look at the statistic among the young people today you would think that with the advancement of science technology and medicine and all of that you know the mental state of young people the mental state of people be getting better it’s not um it’s not getting better the world is getting
Darker but light is is shining brighter right now the revivals are happening Reformation is happening and there is a cosmic conflict between two kingdoms and we want to be in the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and we don’t want to hold this Greek world viview that you know
Sees the end times as just only symbolic and spiritual and mystical uh we have to embrace the Orthodox view on the end times that’s been embraced by the early church fathers and by the Jewish prophets and proclaimed by Our Savior Jesus Christ and if that’s not enough for you I mean
Look at the enemy seems to attack Israel because he knows it’s a threat you know and he knows something is going to happen there something is coming there and um that’s why there is a huge attack and so and I think that that’s also another sign why we need to be opening
Our eyes and looking at these biblical truths um from a Biblical perspective if this was a blessing to you guys I understand it’s controversial I understand we might lose some followers and some people might not like this but I’ve told you guys before that this channel is not I don’t stream things
Just because everybody likes it I when we talked about the the woke agenda the gay stuff and during the month of the pride month you know and we addressed it we didn’t we didn’t do it because it was popular we did it because I felt it was
A right thing to do and same thing right now what we’re doing that and so I’m going to send a gift to Joel for his work that he’s doing for us um so that he’s doing for our um online audience if the Lord puts on your heart to bless his
Ministry you can do it directly if you want to uh bless him through our ministry we will send that over to his uh Ministry and bless him as well um like me he gives all of his books for free you can download all of his books online on his
Website has a lot of blogs there as well and so um great man of God I love him and he’s going to be at hungry Jen here very soon
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