Actor people in general but yeah especially if they do voiceovers they should know right but I guess when you go into those Bo they don’t do looping I know but you know what it’s already set up for you and there’s three guys in there right so the mic’s like stationary
And they tell you where to stand you know this is a radio thing I wonder that with the with the award shows what about it with the actors they come in to then their job is to walk up to the thing and read the giant teleprompter yeah and
Then then they still look so baffled baffled by that it’s a it’s a unique skill not everybody can do teleprompter it’s just I don’t know why why I mean I don’t why you’ve gotten familiar with the text assuming Maybe not maybe not yeah maybe you’re just maybe you’re like
Well I’m sure you read it yeah but I don’t know some people just they they look like they’re reading other people look like they just talking I think that they’re just I I think that they’re freaked out by the big room with all the people staring at them I don’t know how
You guys I feel like that act I feel like actors are are much more comfortable in in closed off filmm actors TV actors yeah More film actors I guess right yeah well yeah they don’t do the big room yeah yeah they you know they’re protected they’re insuated they
Can just be in their own little world and then surrounded by just a small group of people and fail but no one cameras yeah no one knows that’s true with the award show you get one shot at it and if you fail then everyone sees that well is that why you’re out here
Because you thought you were hosting am I not hosting this show oh I’m sorry the Oscars you I thought that’s why I was in the orange chair no not this show the Oscars no I I wasn’t I was in I was in town we watched
The Oscars in New York oh really what a beast that show is it’s a beast I but you somehow have you it’s it’s one of those things where you know you’re well maybe we should start earlier uh you’re one of the great song and dance men out
Of uh out of New Mexico out of New Mexico yes and I’ve never taken a a dance lesson ever I’ve never studied dance but apparently I’m a song and dance man don’t you think you are somewhat no it’s I’m very insecure when it comes to dancing and I have to do a
Fair amount of it live right and big one-offs yeah which is probably the worst way to do it cuz you don’t have the opportunity to do it again to screw up the thing and you’re surrounded by professional dancers who are fantastic not really because you’re the one in the
Front right but you’re the one that just knows a few moves and they’re like spinning around that’s what happens yeah of course they learn my skill set yeah and they make you look good I just sway left and right with my hands out like classic song and dance man that’s the
Move yeah so New Mexico like I don’t meet many people that grew up there I and I wasn’t even born there and you were born there yeah in Albuquerque what do you know of New Mexico what do you mean I was there from third grade till I graduated high school my dad’s still
There seriously yeah I didn’t know that was a New Mexico connection oh hell yeah man I I grew up I went to Highland High no way graduated from Highland High nice my father graduated from Highland High I think is that true I think so I think
It’s a great place to have been raised I was born in Albuquerque um my mother was from Port Talis New Mexico my dad was from Albuquerque they met from portalis Y and they met in college quintessential UNM College sweethearts fraternity sorority the whole nine he gave her his ring oh
Really they used yeah something like that yeah that was old timey was very old timey and they’re still together to this day you really still in love still happily adorably old and you grew up in in are they in New Mexico in New Mexico still they’re in Albuquerque we moved to
Well they moved to Roswell so we lived in Roswell for a couple years so what were you in uh the sort of um uh space alien business I was filled with all kinds of fluids and I don’t remember much of it they’re experimenting with lots of nightmares no I’ve I I barely
Remember that and then we moved to ruid Doo Roso yep have you been there ski resort town in the winter there’s a ring in the summer rioso Downs rioso Downs All American Futurity quarter horse racing yeah my dad wanted me to uh to set he wanted me to buy some property he
Had a a friend down there my dad’s got have big Ideas ni and he had he knows a guy’s got some land down there he wanted me to open a playhouse oh he thought like that would have been awesome like like I miss like I could do the radio
Show from the from the playhouse do summer yeah do sumstock and riodoso I don’t that’ll get you places I don’t even know what’s in riodoso I mean I grew up my entire life in in New Mexico I don’t I don’t even know if I’ve driven through it where is it it’s w
It’s West it’s Southwest three hours of Albuquerque well you know like Truth or Consequences have become sort of a thing like people were buying houses there I heard recently yeah I used to go to Truth or Consequences when my father’s father when he was still alive he would fly he
Had a private little plane little tiny plane oh he on a plane yep and uh not fancy like but one those we would fly when I was a little kid too like a midsized car Y and we’d go fishing he would fly and you just get in the plane
And my grandma was in the passenger seat which she was co-piloting and you were in back yeah in a plane yeah and we went and and they had a motor home that was uh and he taught me how to shoot a gun sure you got learn that yeah I went to
Camp up in posos we got we we shot guns we loaded shotgun shells incredibly appreciative of my New Mexico upbringing so you know how to shoot you know how to fish how did that in handy yeah in Harlem Where I Live Now does it ever do you ever do you ever go
Fishing Neil no you know what I do have a desire though to uh to camp and fish and and all that sort of Boy Scout stuff I love that I love that stuff why don’t you I ponder that cuz I’m filming a a Netflix show right now in Vancouver
Which one it’s called A Series of Unfortunate Events based on the lemon Lem Snicket books yeah that guy I know that guy the guy who wrote the books I met him once Daniel Handler yeah he’s an interesting guy very interesting guy hilarious hit the jackpot with those
[ __ ] books huh yeah there were 13 of them and we’re making them into a series dark children’s tales indeed Barry sonnenfeld’s the executive producer the balir family The bodair clouse Violet and you know it’s like not going to like you know this the idea of naming a
Children’s character the BS and all that baggage that that bring that name brings is kind of beautiful it’s amazing and I play Count Olaf the evil villain who’s so you’re liking all of them oh yeah I’m the I’m and I have 3 hours of prosthetic makeup every morning oh yeah yeah it’s a
Big fun deal but while I’m there sound that sound like a plug sound like I was fishing for a plug but I was but there’s so much hiking and camping in Whistler and VC is extraordinary and I keep wanting to go camping yeah but it hasn’t happened yet this is year three that
I’ve been there right well I think at at your level you could probably just call somebody to set up everything you need but that’s what you don’t want to do right I don’t know what you going to buy a tent cuz I grew up in in tiny toown
New Mexico where there were you could just the great thing about living there is that it was one School in one town and you in RI do yeah and you knew how to I lived there my whole childhood up your grandparents have mobile home but mobile home’s different that was in TR
Of consequences oh that was we had a nice house that my father actually built with his own two hands yeah wow and but was he a knew no he’s an attorney H and uh but we knew how to then get from my house to a friend’s house by going
Through the woods and you knew hunger game style that this tree you turn this way and you could run Sprint and and and all of that so we would camp and fish and do all of those things intense intense yeah totally I thought you meant was an intense it was very intense intense
Intense intense yeah but tents are great and now that I have kids and they’re seven first grade it seems like the appropriate time to be taking them out and doing that get them out there scare them with the camping cuz I don’t like the camping in California I’ve been
Camping where you just go to a camp site KOA and there’s just 15 different campgr of America spots where people have built fires and it’s already a fire ring and there’s and there’s a public restroom with showers yeah that kind of place you’re talk feels like you’re it’s not
Quite camping but it’s not horrible it feels like you’re tailgating well the thing is with kids you know like at a certain age like if it’s a nice Campground and they do have facilities it’s you know it’s a load off you know you want to but that’s the whole point
You want to go you want to hike out to a place where you’re theoretically alone and so if you’re going to poop somewhere you have to find the poop Place yeah declare it a hole do the whole thing right if you you go to the can and it’s
This weird I don’t know like I think I’m out you know once digging for the looking for the poop hole I’m okay with it but I think as a family if the four of you go and you got two kids it’s going to be quite an ordeal uh the
Pooping that’s what I’m thinking it’s fine but you know bring those little wet nap things and yeah and then what are you going to do with those oh that’s a good question you need a poop a poop hole for the things well no you’re going
To need the bag you’re going to need a yeah see now you’re carrying getting worse extra baggage there there’s I don’t know I think there’s probably a good way there’s a middle ground Campground I remember yes I bought a tent and uh it was with my second wife
And we were going to go camping I think we did it once and uh we ended up at a campground it wasn’t great but it wasn’t horrible it wasn’t comfortable were there other people in other campsites right around you cuz I feel like that would be that would is what I wouldn’t
Like well yeah that’d be bad because then people recognize you and then you’d have to no I don’t think about that I just think i’ look at their tent and our our tent and think is our tent should should I put it no yeah you got to put the tent
Up either way yeah and with four people you got to get a pretty big tent yeah scrambled eggs enough or should I have brought the [ __ ] bacon like those guys did I’d rather just be by myself the cooler being cool that’s right the food cool enough then you got to buy the
Camping cooking stuff it’s a lot of stuff but it’s worth it and I want to do it and I’m I’m vowing to you here and now there until May so I’m going to have end no I’m there they’re going to come for a spell okay so why are you down here did
We cover that why am I down here in La yeah I’m promoting multiple things dude I have a bunch of random things that are happening I’m promoting right now an NBC quiz show called genius Jor that I’m doing that so this is kid kids producing and hosting the classic uh a classic
Take on the old smart kids show and on sort of the college smart no it’s kids it’s 8 to 8 to 14 but that’s kind of the idea two teams of three kids and I’m the host and I and I do series like really smart kids correct so the kids that you
Know they’re impressive but you kind of feel bad for them that was my worry right they did a national search uh to get all these kids and and and they wound up with actual people kids that actually are nice and have other Hobbies there’s a round where uh it’s a spelling
Round and they have to spell as many words they can can in 90 seconds or 60 seconds and they have to spell them backwards okay so it’ll say I’ll say spell omnidirectional backwards and as fast as you could spell it forwards they spell it backwards seriously and it’s un
It is unbelievably exciting to watch it’s jaw dropping and the kids are having a good time super having a good time they were super supportive of each other that was my only concern as a human is that we bring these kids to a Sound Stage yeah and lights and an
Audience and then they’re their takeaway at the end is that it was not fun or bad I wanted to make sure that this unique weirdness was something that they enjoyed the only thing I really like the only thing that comes to mind for me right now with the that show or the idea
Of that show is that show in the movie Magnolia you remember the the the washed up uh TV actor father who brings this kid he’s a genius and they don’t let him pee yeah no we let them pee we gave that’s all that’s I think that was a a long way
Around me asking you could the kids be do you torture the kids no I was so aware dude I was a little kid actor I mean I wasn’t that little when I start survive that how did you survive that well I have I have really nice parents and I grew up in New
Mexico so we weren’t we I didn’t come from a line of parents who in who were in the business or who needed me to accomplish certain things this was this random circumstance that allowed me to start working how did but yeah but let’s talk about that so you’re in Riad Doo
Yeah did you go you went you you went all the way through high School in rioso I went through um I think in the beginning of my freshman year of high school we moved back to Albuquerque my brother had graduated uh and then we moved to
Albuquerque just two of you yep uh older brother what what part of town in Albuquerque yeah the Northeast Heights now how do you become Doogie Hower so I’m in at that point I’m still in uh Elementary School thing no I’m still in Roso and there’s a summer from 8th
I just graduated 8th grade yeah and there was a a a high school program in New Mexico state in Los Cruses for uh theater students a theater camp now were you doing theater you weren’t doing I was a sort of precocious little kid in ruoso so I was in the Episcopal Church
Adult Choir at 10 and I was I was the leader of the choir in the middle school I’d teach Harmony Parts I was a bit of you know that guy that kid I liked to perform it’s good you and stuff good yeah right it’s good you had good parents and you
Have people at least got your back huh so the the the the church the the choir director and the band director thought that I should go to a performing arts high school uhhuh which we thought was a shitty idea who your you and your family
Yeah you’re what to go to New York you’d have to go to New York I don’t know California New York you just entirely uprooted felt like military school just sending your child away for a whole other thing yeah with with not as much discipline as military school I think
You think I think probably so um and so we ended up uh go I ended up going to this I was the one of the youngest kids in this in this drama camp in Mexico state so I got to stay in the dorms it was it was uh helmed by Mark
Medof prolific playwright right wrote children of a Lesser God uh which is being revived on Broadway uh this coming season and he had written this movie called Clara’s heart a whoopy Goldberg movie that they were doing for Warner Brothers and the opposite uh lead was
Was a kid a waspy kid in Baltimore and he was the parents were getting divorced and she was their Jamaican maid and she sort of it was based on a book so she to helped him through his uh the ups and downs of that and I happened to be at
This camp and I happened to be in Mark’s cold reading audition class and I happened to leave an impression upon him and he thought and he didn’t say anything to me he told my parents at the end of the camp Hey would your son be interested in auditioning for this film
Yeah they thought he was joking cuz it turns out star search had come through Alam mordo and and had uh convinced us all that if we would go and give I don’t know $350 Al mordo that’s they scouted in Al go mordo and do star search regionals
And if we won that we’d go do star search State and if we got that we’d go on the show so we went and did that is that how that worked Star Search apparently not because it was a complete sham it was not Star Search at all it
Was some jackass dude that just took everyone’s money and left so we did the show in in some weird place in Al mordo and then left the introduction to show business it was and so then this guy Mark medof comes to my parents at the
End of this camp and says hey uh I got this movie not fall for that that’s what they said they said no we’re not interested yeah send us a script buddy and so sure enough they sent a script a FedEx a script from Warner Brothers so funny to Ruidoso your folks are already
Cynical and then it was real so then they had to sit me down and explained that that had all happened and and it was all very real I end up getting that movie I was 12 turning 13 filmed that movie and then flew out to LA uh flew to Baltimore Maryland Baltimore St
Michael’s Maryland was it is a big part pretty was the lead the co- lead opposite Whoopi so it was a big was she nice to you education she’s awesome has she ever been on the show no I’d like to get a hold of her I have to go to New
York I think she’s hanging out in New York yeah she doesn’t like to fly oh really yeah she you friend she takes buses yeah yeah she’s sort of she’s very Mentor when I first met her I got to fly to Malibu to actually meet with her another surreal experience this she
Lived out there then yeah so in the middle of nowhere New Mexico going to Malibu on the coast pulling up to a house walking into this house which was great and then down the stairs was [ __ ] whoopy Goldberg getting long dreads put in oh really Outdoors was it
Outdoors no it was inside okay and uh and and I got to sit she the fat with her for a little bit and she was super nice what I’m very very appreciative of is that she talked to me like a person uhhuh like a coworker person as opposed
To a child and my parents uh did the same and I do the same to our kids I think I think it’s important to have kids be be treated as if they’re people like can you give me the option like what does it sound like when you’re not
Treating them like people uh maybe more well it’s probably how you’re thinking but more how you’re speaking so instead of saying um well I would prefer if you said hi M you’re for you’re 11 years old welcome to the set here’s where you’re going to stand it’s going to be a lot of
Pressure but I believe that you’re up for it and it’s going to be good as opposed to hi so you’re Tommy I’m Neil I’m going to be the host so here’s what’s going to happen there’s going to be a lot of people and it might make you
Nervous but don’t be nervous okay can I see a smile right now that’s what I want is a smile I’m going to like that [ __ ] I just find well that’s yeah it’s horrible cuz they see you walk away and talk differently to everyone else right you
Step away to one adult like hey this kid you know just be normal yeah so I I was very careful of the kids in the The Genius junor to make sure that that their takeaway was was positive so you had that experience throughout your career people treated you mostly people
Treated you like a grown-up or with a certain amount of they didn’t treat you like a little child yeah like a commodity that had something to to help with as opposed to an annoying kid that they just had to deal with but you weren an annoying kid well you weren’t I hope
Hope I wasn’t no you seem very well grounded it sounds like your parents were like were supportive and nice and decent people I’ve always loved the process of how things work yeah I haven’t been I’ve never been super blinded by what comes from something I’m more interested in how things work what
Does that mean what do you mean meaning even coming here I’m fascinated by the fact that it’s literally just you here in your garage by yourself that there you think there were more I thought there’d be a couple more people that were managing the sound and I thought
That there would be uh I don’t know cack videographer guy that was filming it for I don’t know what it was no interesting but you just so I like and I like seeing while you’re clicking on things on your computer yeah watching the levels I would wonder what program you’re using
I’m using garage band uh old school I I wanted to get into the garage band I don’t I don’t do anything with it other than record voices I go through an analog mixer for some reason I do a backup on a zoom and then I watch the
Levels and I can manage those with the little knobbies here and then occasionally I just you know I I I I poke at your uh hey my hey easy I’m sorry and eventually I’ll click or occasionally I’ll click on your uh your your filmography oh nice to you know research
Yeah Garage Band you go and put some cool beats underneath it if yeah of course it’s going to be total hip-hop oh you know that’s my producer I just I let him do whatever he wants if he wants to do Neil Patrick Harris Dance Mix it’s going to happen nice I’m I’m in
Let me know when you feel like that that’s where it’s needed thumping Bas so okay so you do these movies and do you move out here so I did clar’s heart then I went back to my life and then I New Mexico yep and I was a child working at
A schlosky sandwich shop where in Albuquerque in Roso oh in Roso the only one the only one I believe it’s still there I was far too young I don’t know how they sasis was exciting when it first came on yeah they’re great it was a big round bread the muffa sandwich
Basically yeah but I remember when it happened when we were probably I was probably early on in high school and it was exciting to have a new fast food place they’re still delicious Wendy’s I remember when Wendy’s happened too it’s before your time but I was super excited
When a McDonald’s opened up in ruoso that was a big deal were a Dairy Queen Town Dairy Queen we’d go get the ice cream cones that brazing brazer what was the name of the burger brazer Brazen Burger brazer was it braer brazer right something like that what does that mean
Yeah I don’t know man is that a guy’s name no I I know I think it’s like uh I don’t know brazing I thing you do with meat I don’t know but I remember it was sort of I think that was the name of the bird I don’t remember eating oh did they
Have blak’s L burger oh yeah BL l b no one knows about Blakes but us they were big you get henos on there green chili green chili cheeseburger is the best green chili cheeseburgers so then I was just there back in school doing my thing
And then uh working at schis I got an I then had an agent from doing the movie were you the singing schis guy did you I did enjoy uh the when I had the job to finish the sandwiches and call out the people’s names yeah and I would make up
Rhymes I would L on Welland myself you couldn’t help yourself no matter where you were this I got some stage time yeah I’m going to talk to the people you want a 12ft sandwich that’s less than 2 feet this sandwich is for a guy named Pete oh
And some guy grumbles up shut the [ __ ] was trying to eat on break so all right so you okay and then I went and I I was asked randomly occasionally to go do other weird things so I went and did a movie called Purple People Eater they
The she wooly song by the same name was in the show in the movie he was y as was was that a big movie no no it was a children’s film it was one of my like worst experiences um but that we got to film in La why was it this worst experience
It was just not good really it was not well made and the director wasn’t was a a tyrant woman oh yeah and um who was in that what’s her name was it all kids um was it one of those all kids it was a kids movie except the co-star was um
This giant puppet creature that was the Purple People Eater wouldn’t you know a oneeyed oneor one horned Ned batty sure was my grandpa and Shelly Winters was in it oh well that’s that’s why that that was the pitch and I said sure because rather work than working at schotsky Ned
Batty’s great go make Ned batty was great and he was lovely Shelly Winters a piece of work yeah oh what what what what are we waiting for oh and she had a pillow my back my back is always oh my back is worry and she had this round
Pillow to protect her her butt and so she’d carry around this pillow and and that was that was I feel like that’s an Oscar winner you’re talking about that’s worth a VHS trip I feel like she was like a method person wasn’t she was like
One of the early like uh like you know people’s theater like she oh but Mark how method can you be in a movie called Purple People eater well did you see her in Poseidon Adventure she nailed it nailed it man she did the swimming thing and then died right after fewer puppets
In that probably then doie Hower came along the audition for it I ended up uh booking that job and then uh then we had moved to Albuquerque I think by then so I’d do half the year in LA with a tutor and then uh since that was only a 30-minute
Single camera show uh when the season was done it was right at second semester of school I’d go back to Albuquerque and that was cool and you were a celebrity I guess so yeah I mean doy Hower was a popular show it was and you did like how
Many did you make did that like that was uh Four Seasons I think they did 97 shows enough for syndication just just barely huh yep so that was it and then like you did that for like three or four years and then you get done with that
And you’re a grownup but you’re Doogie Hower for a lot of people that’s very true and back then it was a very divided uh work ethic there were TV actors and they were film actors and they didn’t intersect very often no I know exactly
But you know in even like even on TV you know you still had to deal with the sort of like ah Doogie haer’s in this one sure but he’s not Doogie Hower sure right that was a quite the quite the albatross for how long um You probably still get it
Occasionally yeah it’s not like a a sore subject or an open because you look youthful and you still look you I find people that say hey doie Hower I love you on that other show right which is fine they don’t know your real name you’re just appoint doie Hower
It wasn’t and you did a bunch of other little parts and you actually appeared as doie Hower in some other shows I did on a on a very special Roseanne episode you were a punchline of jokes forever I was punchlines of jokes here and there yeah cuz like because it was a funny
Idea any medical any medical plus youth equals the doyer punch line doie Hower puncture I go to the doctor doie how there probably 75 people who are doctors who look kind of youngish yeah come up to me yeah begrudgingly saying I just have to tell you and share their stories
About how annoying it is that they’re called doie Hower and I I feel their pain but you know I I what I have learned in all of my 44 years is that you you I like to hope for longevity and multiple chapters in a book and not just hoping that the
Thing that you’re doing is what’s going to happen forever of course and so um I I I I had that perspective at the beginning of Doogie Hower um and you worked you kept working stepen botko was was the producer of that show and he had
Done Hill Street flues and La law and so he was did doer yeah he was a one out and um and David Kelly so that it was two really David Kelly that so is early on in both of their careers just has a big thing now what’s his big thing now
The little lies the big little lies yeah you’re absolutely right yeah yeah good for him and he did the other one with kalista Flockhart what was that one Ali mcel Alli mcbi this feels like a quiz show married Michelle Fifer to he did and she still just gorgeous and great
Acting yep she’s very good actress but bko said to me early on listen he sat me down and said kid listen this is going to be like uh surfing that you have to you’re going to catch this wave we hope that it’s good that it lasts a long time
The wave will crash and you will have to decide whether you want to swim back out and in doing so you’re going to get nailed by other waves and have to write yourself and once you do you’re going to sit out there for a while waiting for
Another good wave to come and that was sort of his metaphor his metaphor and I I dug it and I still appreciated it so when I was stressful stressed about uh the doogy Hower of it all I appreciate at the same time that I just needed some
Time to pass between and that was during the TV movie years the TV movie decade where I could do a TV movie a year yeah and where I was that enough though was they paid good money for oh they did yeah and then you’d go to Vancouver or
Toronto and you’d and were you living out here fulltime by then I was living here fulltime by then yep but you moved out in after Doogie or when I graduated in 91 uh towards the end of Doogie yeah I moved out here fulltime with your folks
Nope no solo style and when did were you were you out then no no no not really but not but you weren’t struggling with anything well I think I was I was struggling more with figuring out how to who I was how to be as a person sexuality certainly I guess a a
Pivotal part of that but just how to stand tall and how to move my limbs cuz when you’re doing a show for four years you’re just meant to stand still so that the focus poer doesn’t have to do much work you deliver the joke yeah so I went
So I found that I didn’t know how to really move as an actor or as a human as a human and then when I went out people would sort of recognize me and I kind of wanted anonymity and I kind of wanted to just figure [ __ ] out and try to be an
[ __ ] or try to be goth or try I don’t know what just what try go through a go thing no I didn’t but I didn’t I I didn’t have the ability to do that of course not people would have noticed they just pictures all over doie Hower
Goes goth I guess so thankfully it wasn’t a TMZ world I mean the internet very very new back then too so so information still didn’t pass so quickly but I was just paranoid and I didn’t feel like I was able to just exist as I
Wanted to I was still locked in this how do I exist to uh please other people and I think the Judgment was different I mean it still wasn’t you know being out was not a huge like everyone wasn’t out yet for sure it was a a question that
Was taboo to ask yeah it was sort of a shame on you for asking the question like we think he’s and I was also really I I didn’t develop very quickly so even at 17 or 18 I just looked much younger right so so opportunity never really
Came my way you know I had desires but I they were so there was no way in La I was going to at 20 years old with a fake ID go to rage on Santa Monica boulev you know and just like see what happens that was like not in that wasn’t how you’re
Going to get started no so I just sort of did did this sort of young Hollywood thing and went to went to all those bars that that he went to yeah and did you did you date though oh good I dated a fair amount um so so girls I didn’t date
Guys for a long time oh really oh okay is that what you mean by dating did I date guys yeah no how would I meet them I thought I thought well I mean you know don’t like I would I mean give me an instance where that would happen well
You’re hanging out with other young people and I imagine that there’s other young people that were in the same boat that you and you you just had it sort of happen upon them yeah that never really oh it never really happened I would I I could
Assert that some of the friends that I hung out with were in a similar situation but that wouldn’t be a conversation we’ both be trying to act super tough and straight cool right yeah where the chicks at who you banging tonight D smell my finger oh good that one that
Classic a great yeah sure I use it a lot did oh did you no I never did actually well were you taking like what was your training though I mean because you you know you you sort of came into the movement and the body and all
That other stuff but you did you train as an actor at all no no I didn’t I did four I really just learned by being on set cuz cuz the botko doie Hower work I mean the the name is ridiculous but the work was good yeah I mean we were doing
Six seven pages a day of single camera hardcore medical jargon walk and talks long one shots I mean we were having to work hard so I got a good education about how it how you make a film even though it was a TV show it was it was
Single camera and it was right it was work so when I was done with that I went and started doing theater I went and did uh some Shakespeare I did Romeo and at the old globe in in San Diego and I did the how’ that go for you really really
Great you could take you you took to the language I took to the language I was Terri terrified of it I felt like a super Fish Out of Water no coach no well they gave me the a guy named daon Matthews who’s still a prolific actor
And works all the time uh was living in San Diego and and he sat with me for a full week before we started the first rehearsal and we went through all the text and he explained I Amic pentameter and what it meant cuz one of the
Feelings I hate to this day is feeling fraudulent you know is feeling like I don’t belong and so when you go to a Shakespeare company of people who have trained in the theater and Shakespeare and now you’re the lead cuz you’re a child star because you’re on TV yeah
You’re at this weird I thought a weird deficit of of judgment right and so and I and there’s no way to quickly inform yourself of the cannon of Shakespeare so I just kind of had to go for it and acknowledge that it was uncomfortable for me and through that sweaty rehearsal
Feeling like [ __ ] yeah then you get better and you kind of and how were the uh how was the response great it was a it was Dan Sullivan directed that he’s a big giant prolific film director uh theater director and Emily burgle was my Juliet and it was set in
The past so we were fighting with broadswords and and it was a really great a really great production and it was one of those things once you wrap your head around Shakespeare and know why you’re speaking not just speaking the words to rhyme right then 45 minutes will rip by
And you realize that you’re lying there banging your head on the floor because you’re wailing in in a monologue and you’re really actually in it I don’t know it sort of forced you to Magic yeah cuz you’re not speaking in contemporary dialogue you’re speaking within the
World that you’re in and that’s a pretty intense world I I really really enjoyed that I went did rent the musical uh after that the naal tour of rent yeah I did theater for a while and that’s how move I moved to New York uh to do more
Theater well was that because you wanted to or because the TV work was what I always love the spectacle of the theater yeah yeah I would go to New York once I once I was uh doing uh TV and had the money to do it I would go uh on hiatuses
And see 14 shows in 11 days really and just see everything that was there I just [ __ ] loved it I love I love that I still love it I love that in the same theater you can sit and watch an amazing show with sets that move and
Performances you like the big stuff or all of it I tend to like the big stuff mhm my first big music was lay Mizer Rob that I saw I have a backstory with L Miz but it’s kind of boring but what what happened well I didn’t get cla’s heart
Eventually originally they they had oh the movie with whoopy yeah they had a different director at that time and they cast another kid so I went and did the audition with Mark and all of that went really well and then I didn’t get it and
A kid named uh Braden Danner did it and he was the original gav uh which who was a character in L Miz on Broadway so I suddenly felt kinship to this kid uh cuz you saw him in Lay Miz no cuz I just knew that’s who
He was so I bought the soundtrack to lay Miz and I listened to it and listened to it and I just sort of felt like I had a Brotherhood with him cuz I did almost got this part and he got it and and so uh Lis became and still is probably my
Favorite of all the sort of musicals but I thought you did get the part eventually of of in the movie well they ended up replacing the director and then replaced Braden and then hired a new director did you ever meet brayen I’ve never met him no he probably isn’t doesn’t feel the
Kinship in the Brotherhood that I probably do towards him I’d give him a bear hug and he’d punch me in the nuts I don’t know I don’t know where that guy is so then like after all this stuff like you get this other huge show and
You’re on there forever but you do other stuff like I’m just this is how this is how I’m conversing I’m looking at all your stuff so I did a big chapter of theater and it and and I I did a some Broadway stuff and which ones uh rents
Not Broadway I did Proof oh that’s big who who’ you play opposite of and H oh yeah yeah have you ever had her on the show no I haven’t I haven’t heard about her lately she I wonder if she’s doing shows series work here and there she’s
On a new series uh I did Cabaret that’s the MC oh that’s great but that but that was later wasn’t it fairly recently I mean this is that was that was before your mother correct yeah oh yeah so I did that so you’re becoming a real
Theater guy and then they I was asked while I was doing cabet to be in that Harold and Kumar movie okay Harold and Kumar uh and you played yourself you play you played doie Hower they want no Neil Patrick Harris and I was this like super horny drugged out oh that’s right
Ecstasy guy and I steal haral and Kumar’s car and I worked for a few days on that and uh and then that playing against type I guess very much against type uh but sort of owning the doie stuff and sort of being being that joke but in a
Fun way and I got a little bit of respect and then um Carter Bay and Craig Thomas who wrote um How I Met Your Mother and were the executives on that were fans of that and so I ended up auditioning and getting and playing against type again Barney Stinson yeah
Nine nine years on that show that was definitely doubly syndicated yeah it’s still on a lot of days a lot it’s crazy I talked to rner years ago in here I mean you guys really had and I’ve talked to Jason sure um but that was a
Huge show yeah I think that erased some dooin M right totally because he was nothing like doogy in any way and he was just super straight guy baller yeah Sharp Dressed yeah yeah yeah Scotch drinking did you like doing that loved I loved that gig that was a great
Great gig good people right great work environment great people writing it great a great woman directed it and I got to wear suits all the time I mean he was a real character but I think one of the fears that I had and I assume other
People have when they sign up for a sitcom is that you wind up six seven years later being URL you know being sort of the the butt of the joke the sight gag of you beat that one I don’t mean as a person I think Jal White’s a
Super nice guy I just mean you don’t want to end up being the character on a sitcom where you walk in and everyone laughs at what you’re wearing you don’t want to be the butt of the joke you don’t know if you’re going to if that’s
Going to happen when you sign up to do the pilot because you don’t even know if it’s the Pilot’s going to get picked up right in turn Barney was the opposite of that he was looked great always had all these rules delusionally awesome and also but like you’d already sort of
Weathered that storm with doie Hower really I mean a little bit sure I mean and and then like it seems that everybody in that show you know weren’t hampered at all by uh by the TV prison of it no I embraced it yeah no but I
Mean like you went on to do many other things what I’m saying Josh he makes his own movies he’s around he does stuff but the other thing also I would imagine with something like that is that I I don’t know how people make a [ __ ] ton of money really find it within themselves
To keep working that’s interesting no I just mean like they’re like I wonder about that I mean it seems like that everyone does usually you know I’m not in that club but it would seem that would buy you some reprieve or or maybe you would think you would have won and maybe you
Do other things that you really wanted to do or maybe you’re doing exactly what you want to do I don’t know I guess so I mean that the notion this the the sentence getting a [ __ ] ton of money makes it sound like it all comes at once
And I guess if you won the lottery or something you’d be more inclined to drop everything and then just change your life but when you’re when you’re acting and you’re aware of how much money you’re not making and then you get a job and you’re making good money but it’s
Still season one and you’re hoping that it gets to syndication and then you renegotiate and you’re suddenly spending more because you’re making more and it suddenly doesn’t feel like you’ve got the windfall so when it’s done then you’re I was thinking more of what do I
Do now to sort of maintain yeah the four houses the ability to work yeah yeah what do I do now to to maintain this building I bought I didn’t have a building okay I wasn’t a big building and cars guy I had a nice house in in the valley yeah I
Don’t I don’t like to buy anything I bought this this other house and I’m freaking out about it like I’m surprised I did it but I’m excited yeah was it more expensive than you wanted to pay for it not really because like I’m in that situation where I don’t have kids I
Don’t have a wife and like I made some money with the shows and I’m this does well and you know I’m on I’m on glow on Netflix now and you’re so good on that show can I just say oh thank you it’s so it’s so good and you’re so horrible on
It in such a subtle way like your character is horrible not you as an actor yeah good well I appreciate I’ve never done cocaine in my life ever yeah and so it seems veryy so no drugs for you ever no I’ve done I I I’ve smoked a fair
Amount of pot and uh I’ve played with the um with the acidy did that once I did the mushrooms a few times every time convinced this time would be better than the last and I always wind up in my bathroom in front of the mirror looking
At myself going you can do this dude pull your [ __ ] together you can just [ __ ] just go just let go just pull your [ __ ] [ __ ] together and then that’s then it never works out a night of that always five five times I’ve done that and I decided I’m done with that
Done with mushrooms but the cocaine never ever has ever come my way I have never been at a party where there was a a I don’t know a pile of it on a table I’ve never been that’s that’s pretty high-end party specific type of party I went to a party at Jack Nicholson’s
House yeah and uh and I was talking to everyone where super amped up and they were all so lovely and it turns and they kept going upstairs to the bathrooms upstairs and I only realized as I was getting in the car that that’s probably what was going on but it’s never been
Offered me I don’t know why why were you at Jack Nicholson’s house that’s a really good question friend of a friend oh yeah I guess so did you talk to Jack I did say hello to him yeah and that was about it that was about it yeah his
Daughter daughter uhhuh does he have a daughter I think so yeah I think she was in her 20s or something like that so it was more her party and and was he want around like a bathrobe like I he had sunglasses on uhhuh but I don’t think a
Bathrobe I wonder how he’s doing out there I just wonder about him like I miss seeing him at the Oscars and stuff but he’s old now you know does he not act anymore really ever I haven’t seen him at all in anything but he used to at
The very least sit up front at the Oscars and give the look yeah with his glasses on knew he was stoned and he yeah yeah I love that stuff is he he wasn’t there when you hosted was he uh I don’t believe so no like I don’t
Remember when he stopped going so it was Oprah was was in the front row when I was there that that was the big deal o what is it with the now are you a practicing magician Yeah well yeah I guess so I’m a collector and I and I
Love magic I love the same way I love circus and juggling and sort of that variety Arts how are youling trampolining pretty good you do all those things you trapas yep yep and you trampoline yeah and you do magic closeup magic or do you do
Big at your house you have a tank I’ve been water torture cell yeah that’s where the kids go when they misbehave cuz I see all through your sort of information about you there’s through line of magic I love sort of I love live experiential entertainment uhhuh and
Maybe that came from being in Ruidoso and once a year the state fair would be in Albuquerque we drive up for 3 hours and at the State Fair there would be the Midway and you’d go back and there’d be the freak Show you know and Ronnie and
Donnie you’d go and you’d see Popeye the dude with his eyes that would open up his eyes would bulge and stick out and I did you see the guy with the biggest feet no did you see Ronnie and Donnie the Siamese twins they were touring for
A while really no I never saw them it was mostly uh uh livestock it would be the world’s biggest cat Pig oh but you didn’t see the little guy the world’s Litt littlest man who was all like he look like a little basketball I think there might have been a little person
But probably not not that dude did you get the Indian fried bread always yeah but through that was a lot of magic tricks right cuz there’ also be the spider lady which was just a magic trick it was a woman that was in in a looked
Looked like she was on a cobweb and her arms were spider arms but it was just a a mirror a 45° angle mirror right and so I was kind of fascinated by Magic through performance and so then I spider lady I I loved all of that so I loved
When circuses would come into town I saw every circus Ela when it would go through Santa Monica and um and my love of magic just kind of grew I became a junior member of The Magic Castle and then um how do you become that do you
Have to you have to perform for people yeah I auditioned did a little set you know Andrew golden her I do very well yeah lovely guy yeah he’s a good guy super good he’s a good magician right great magician yeah and he’s a great magician he’ll do all kinds of gigs so
He’ll do he can do uh fill a whole stage at the Magic Castle but you can also go and and work a a business party or something yeah work a line do equally good Stu and so that’s we live in a in a technological Society almost exclusively
Now a lot of people wait to see movies on Apple TV cuz they’re their screen in their living room’s gigantic so why why not just wait and own it right so I think there’s reason to go see Broadway shows there’s reason to go to sleep no more and see immersive theater there’s a
Reason to go to the Magic Castle there’s reason magic is one of those things that is much much better when you’re doing it live Human element yeah when yeah you’re blown away when you see David Copperfield saw some one in two in front of you less less exciting as a TV
Special still cool to see right but you assume there’s trickery but now but when you’re actually there watching the stuff actually happen so yeah I’m pretty fascinated with it do you see Thea shows nope I don’t go to anything why I don’t know man don’t you feel like I’m missing
Life a little that kind of life well like but you go I always get very moved you know what I mean like I watch a lot of Comedy I’ll go see some music I’ll go see uh shows sometimes like Cabaret and well not too much of that I don’t do the
Cabaret thing but like I when I go to New York the last few times I’ve been there I’ve been set up with tickets because I interviewed Annie Baker so I saw her stuff I like musicals when I go I don’t but I don’t seek them out I
Don’t know why it’s there’s some part of me that just doesn’t want to have a good time Neil okay I don’t know why I always enjoy them so how are you with exercise good pretty you consider consider that a bad time like you know it’s going to be
A bad time but you’re going to do it anyway it’s pretty bad I could use more cardio how are you with it yeah I work out a fair amount yeah but I it’s hard for me to say go on a hike once I’m on the hike I’m loving it it’s nice yeah
But I the idea I feel that way about everything that exact feeling is what but there’s not a part of you that says if I I know that if I see a show like this it’s harder in La though because get in a car and go to the Mark Taper
Forum downtown in AR to see a show and you don’t New York you just go like their house seats available get them yeah you get on the subway and you go see I always enjoy theater even if it’s shitty well the next time you’re in New
York I’m producing a show a oneman magic show by a guy named Derek delgadio it’s called in and of itself yeah and it’s playing till August and it’s unbelievable it’s all magic it’s a monologue that he tells it’s about 80 minutes no intermission and throughout it there’s five different effects that
He does and none of them are pick a card any card or for my next trick kind of things that’s all kind of ruminations about uh identity and and he speaks to the audience it’s you would it’s it’s a truly special thing it’s extended four times and and it’s played almost for a
Year now it’s broken broken records there I saw the magic show when I was a child with Doug Henning yes no way I did I heard it wasn’t very good I don’t know my grandma brought me in I must I must have been like in eight or nine when was
That early 70s right uh mid mid-70s I think so so I was like 13 something maybe Doug Henning he was Great Canadian magician from saw that when I was a kid saw the black uh Guys and Dolls when it first the first black cast of Guys and
Dolls cuz my aunt and uncle brought me to that I saw Beetle Mania when I was a little kid I saw James Earl Jones in fences here in LA and that was a real pivotal moment cuz I was very emotional watching Lynn Thigpen recite a monologue while she peeled potatoes about how
Difficult her life was it’s a fantastic monologue and I was weeping and I was young it was right at the beginning of coming to La ever and I was I was really moved by the fact that I knew nothing about Baltimore or this plight or this
Life and I was so impacted by what it is they were saying and I think that theater has the opportunity to do that in a way that I probably wouldn’t have been as moved if I was on my couch in the living room watching the same thing
Yeah cuz I would have distraction no theater’s great I mean like in my life I’ve gone and uh I definitely like going yeah it’s just a little bit hard especially on the west coast it’s hard to do theater on the west coast well who are your magicians who the who like give
Me a lesson who historically who should I know who are the greats um well probably I would go stage magicians more so thirston Howard thirston uh Harry Houdini yeah uh Dante uh sery ly yeah uh those ones who invented and did the big giants tours trains yeah
Um as far as mentalism I think James Randy’s super strong mentalism what’s the difference what’s mentalism that’s close is that closeup no it’s uh I can predict something that you’re thinking of oh okay okay so and that’s a trick write something write something in this envelope they don’t really do it I’ll
Put this in an envelope do you know the tricks then I’ll hold it up I know most of the tricks yeah yeah that doesn’t bother you that I know the tricks yeah no cuz again I like to I like to I like knowledge so I like to know how do you
Know him did they tell you did somebody break the oath or are you part of the Brotherhood so you’re allowed to know him well I think when you studied enough you have sub you can suppose how things are done you know know multiple methods of how things are accomplished and I
Think what’s fun is when someone like Derek uh and Derek delgadio will come up with a whole different way to do anything and and then only a few people know how it’s done at all and then magicians that see it are blown away cuz they have no idea Andrew takes I think a
Chicken or a rabbit out of his hair he does that seems difficult he takes a chicken out of his hair at the end yeah and then he does the thing with the butterfly tattoo yeah which he they he sold the copper field but then I think
He got it back wasn’t that an origami thing at first didn’t he take an origami and and fold it up into something and it turned into a butterfly tattoo maybe I maybe maybe it was a orgami I thought that he had a he actually made a butterfly tattoo turn into a butterfly
Maybe I’m misremembering it close-up magic can go I mean you can go way back with people and names of of of people from who wrote Amazing books to you like Ricky J um I mean he’s not really what does he do he’s a historian I find Ricky J A
Kudan uhhuh and so it’s it’s from from all accounts I I hear that he’s that that unless he takes a shine to you he doesn’t he he doesn’t like things so that that disappoints me a bit but every show that I’ve seen him do I’ve absolutely loved he’s good yeah
He’s great he is a historian yeah in fact his last show I think there were a bunch of different numbers on a big giant screen behind them and people would shout out a number and the whatever was behind the number something would appear and he would talk for 20
Minutes about whatever that was so theoretically on every any show you could see anything yeah he he knows a lot about the histories of magic that I certainly don’t yeah that’s its own whole skill is knowing knowing the name I think he likes the Dark Side too the
Sort of the hustle of it you like he was a hustler yeah like when magicians were doing it for you know I loved him as an actor he’s good he’s in the mammoth movies us and he was getting Magnolia he was in Magnolia Boogie knights was he in
That have you ever talked to him Paul Thomas Anderson no I just read a whole article about him he’s a very goofy guy he grew up in the valley his dad was a like a a wacky you know uh TV host from Cleveland or somewhere right and like
And his dad and Tim way were best friends no way yeah like like I thought he was some like dark genius he comes over he’s just a goofy dude from the valley and it’s very entertaining to talk to him as so what is a goofy dude
Like that where does he get that stuff why is he so [ __ ] maybe that’s just his you know that’s his public persona but he’s obviously an incredible filmmaker and he the Phantom thread he’s got he’s got real balls with the film making like you know like he’s not
Afraid of what’s going to come at him director that’s the job that’s right that’s where I’m headed is it mhm wow that’s the plan what are you going to right now I’m quiz show host producer I’m actor on Netflix I’m a a children’s book writer and uh and when all of this
Uh calms down it’s going to be directing more well let’s talk about hosting real quick though like how did you sort of like get into that cuz that’s like one of those jobs there’s a few people that do it not everybody do it does it some
People get a shot at doing it but you’ve done it a lot so like you’re you’re a host you can host a big event M the Oscars the Tony over and over again the emys you’ve hosted all of them how did you get into that what was the the I was
Um I was on CBS and so the Tony’s uh was on CBS and so they want they pulled from they pull from their own talent pool uh cuz then they can sort of self-promote and so uh they asked me to host the Tony’s one year and it wasn’t super
Heavy lifting um I think they had asked a bunch of other people who had passed yeah and so they asked me to do it it was this the big opening number that they had done with not the host but a bunch of all of the Broadway shows but
Together it’s one where Brett Michaels got whacked in the head from a setpiece oh yeah and that was a a big controversy and then I came out and told some jokes know out really well and so uh then they were pleased with my confidence and so I
Was still on the network when the Tony came around the next year so I had I did that so once you once you’ve done it a couple times you’re on the short list of people and then the Emmys every four years it’s a it switches networks every
Year so every four years it would go back to CDs so I did that yeah uh because of it was being on CBS and you could do it yeah the chops I guess so yeah and the Oscars that must be the most intimidating gig in the world yeah
Well not really I mean I just find it very uh it’s a it’s its own little machine that’s eating its own tail it’s a hard one it’s a hard one to crack What What In what way like I mean you go out there everyone in Show Business is there
It’s intimidating in my mind and you know I I have to imagine that you have to sort of realize you’re not going to get an amazing response correct and you got to just suck it up it’s the last award of a long cycle now of award shows
So by the time they’re at the Oscars everyone is exhausted from the gauntlets of the Golden Globes right of all of them SAG Awards there’s so many now and Oscars is last so you’re dealing with actors who have who are promoting a show that they did a year and a half ago
They’ve already completed another show and they’re probably working on another movie for the movie yeah so they’re talking they’re glazy cuz they’re talking about something that’s two chapters ago yeah they’re pretty sure who’s going to win cuz by that time you kind of know that this actor’s won 11 of
The last 12 you still have to put on the thing and go around and do all the stuff and you’re Wai in a long queue of of cars and then it’s really intimidating and daunting all the people screaming at you and the photographers and you’re sort of interacting with other famous
People that you don’t know and that’s a weird thing and then you sit down you can’t eat you can’t drink you’re there for 4 hours it’s run by the academy the motion picture Academy so you have to honor sound design and you have to honor costume design and you have to honor a
Lot of things that the general public doesn’t know anything about right so then it it can read boring and inside baseball too much because you need to let the sound designer thank all the people but no one knows who he’s talking the award show Dynamic is tricky enough
As it is and now that I think the studios are releasing films to be Oscar contenders at a certain time to get into certain festivals they’re small films that then no one has really seen right they don’t make a lot of money they just come out to be Oscar movies and yeah
That’s true that’s true and then ratings drop and then the then everyone panics because how do we get more eyes on the show and you’re talking about Whiplash which was a great movie yeah but the only people that sees it is people get screeners exactly kind of I get
Screeners and I don’t end up seeing them all yeah so I think it’s a I think it’s just a difficult one it’s a daunting Beast it’s it needs to be reshaped in some way because there’s so many award shows that are like it but but in many
Ways better I think Jimmy did great last year and this year I think he did real well but he was a little more biting last year he took more shots in the mon but this year there were so many controversial things that couldn’t touch it that were hot but and they knew by
You know they knew by you know after the Golden Globes they can watch how the other hosts handle things to see if anything’s flying and then be like stay away from that but the me too movement the timeout movement very real and valuable and valid things right so you
Can’t really mock them you can’t really mock the people you have to do a Harvey Weinstein joke but if you go there too hard you’re you know it’s it’s a tricky La tricky but I just like he busted balls on the on the actors more agre you
Know he still busted balls I thought that that Runner of the of the jet ski thing was brilliant yeah that was funny I thought it was so funny cuz it was dumb but it was something that that you at home could still make your own jokes
About well that’s what he does is that he’s able to bring it to the regular people I love that he takes the piss out of the elevated nature of that thing when he walked those people in last year from outside that was one of the best things just those people like with their
Phones you know like he was good he did a great great job both yours I think I think abely Jimmy Kimmel is is an outstanding representation of award show host yeah it’s good and you are you do you’re going to keep doing them right yeah I
Don’t all right so tell you get asked to do them you don’t really you don’t put in for it right I’m available so tell me about directing when does that start how much have you done I’ve done um I directed A how much your mother episode
Um just one out of 200 some theater stuff they wouldn’t throw you another one just the one yeah how would you how hard did you have to fight for that one out of 200 well it’s it’s more difficult being on the show and directing multiples you know
There’s it’s an ensemble it’s not a real great experience when you’re on the show and directing cuz you have to go back and forth you’re double dipping a little bit but I enjoyed it very much uh again I really like I really like being on set and watching the crew work and honoring
What they do and I and I think that that all that part of it’s fun so it would be fun for me I want to direct a I want to do I I I I’m thinking of trying to rein reinvent kind of the improv comedy movie
Like give me an example of what that is the guffman Christoph guest ideal of of filming stuff with bullet points and getting great actors that may not be um A-list which is probably better due to scheduling but that are super talented and funny you want to do one of those
Yeah I think that I think that that deserves to be done again and I think Not only would that be fun to watch but if done right it would be really fun to execute it would be fun to do have you done any of improvi yeah I have I did
Joe swanberg’s easy which is on Netflix I did two episodes of that you know each year it’s a show that is an anthology show so it’s just um it’s 10 episodes that are their own thing based in Chicago with Chicago people and I played the there was an episode first season
With me as this guy and then we brought the guy back but it’s all improv I love that or Curb Your Enthusiasm I think which was just great but I I kind of want to do something that would be fun to do and therefore be fun to watch yeah
No it sounds great would you be in it probably not okay and you got people in mind you got an idea in mind sounds like you got one I do I have an idea in mind all right when are you going to do it uh this fall would be my favorite choice
But we’ll see if it can happen shoot it for cheap that would be the idea some micro budget shoot it for super cheap and then own it outright and um and then try and sell it and hope that it does well how did you like doing hewig oh I love
Yeah I talked to him uh John Cameron Mitchell yeah yeah we did a pilot for something an interview thing but never got released but I spent like three hours with him and uh it’s a really he’s great I I it was another chapter of my
Life that is so unlike me yeah and yet I got to do it and it was it was well received and it was rock and roll and I’m was just not a punk rock and roll guy and I and I had my own internal issues about how to carry myself and not
Be too a feminite and so I had to get over that very quickly and and own femininity and then stomp around in a very David Bowie kind of way and and shriek all of these songs to an audience of Upper East Side people who’d paid too
Much money and yet the show is very moving so they’re initially kind of taken aback and then by the end of it they were emotional and feeling empathy towards someone that was nothing like them I don’t know it it it was fascinating to be theater at its best a
Woman for a while oh yeah you loved it I don’t know that I loved it it’s a lot of work yeah tucking your testicles up into your way up higher than they’re supposed to be and like oh yeah all of that stuff not so fun like getting into the stuff
Was drag was tough oh dude like eyelashes and and take you know making but it must have been like when you were done up when it was finished and you looked at yourself it really helps the transformation right so so much I mean it’s like so much of it like even when I
Put on Sam’s clothes for glow I’m like no I’m this guy yeah yeah and I’m now I’m doing Olaf in in series Unfortunate Events and I look nothing like myself and you can just go to town it’s not really you yeah you’re a little less less uh insecure less self-conscious
That’s great well was great talking to you man thanks buddy you feel good I feel great this is a I I’m a huge fan of the podcast and have always been nervous about how it would go really I thought it went great it was fun I didn’t realize You’ even started have you
Pressed play yet oh [ __ ] um ni but how’s it your kids are good your your marriage kids are good my husband’s great okay uh we’re working away kids are in s years old they’re in the first grade they couldn’t be cooler they’re in that sweet pocket where they want to be
Your friend and they want to learn
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