[Applause] be quiet today [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] Hey everybody how you doing welcome to a critical dialogue that’s right we are here and yes you see we have some more people here with us but we want to thank you so much for joining us as we have conversations here every Tuesday night and we look forward to it and we just
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Said if y’all want to um to to definitely um join us feel free to to let us know all right and make sure you join it in the comments section and uh of course we’re going to start with your with with your Crawley talk so as we as
We lead into this subject here sure absolutely uh first of all again we want to thank everybody for watching I just want to start and if you are a pastor if you are a leader especially if you are a Christian I wanted to start with this school of thought not only concerning
The night but concerning most subjects I want everyone to stop and just take a brief moment and breathe and just think that if you’re at least of middle age and if you could go back to remember the church and preachers approximately about 30 or 40 years ago here’s one thing that
You would notice as time goes on we are dictate we dictate our Doctrine order of orders of certain doctrines based on two things those closest to us in relationship meaning what pastors will or won’t say anything based on what their wife do or based on what they call their kids act
Or based on what their mother or father think and the second thing is we base our Doctrine on prevalence think about it you all the more prevalent stings become the less you hear preachers speak on them so think about it go back to you know
There was a time where it was the norm to hear a preacher speak about the importance of uh speaking against premarital sex right but you if you if you if you notice that’s kind of faded to be like oh yeah that’s still God’s will but we’re just
Going to preach protected sex now or or things of that nature the more things are prevalent the less you hear on what we would call illegitimate children you don’t even hear that term anymore oh because that hurts feelings right uh think about this the more the LGBT
Agenda arise the less you hear preaching on LGBT issues right think about this the more divorce has arised the less you hear preaching on divorce think about it so it’s amazing how the prevalence of sin dictates what the church now deals with and God is not
Pleased with it I want to remind anybody as a Christian leader once you’re labeled not only yourself as a Christian but especially as a Christian leader you sign up for the world not to understand you you sign up for the world to hate you and if you don’t want that smoke I
Pray that you choose something else to do because not only will you wreck your life you’re going to wreck others now when I say you wreck you wreck your life here’s what a lot of people and even Christians would agree with even pastors especially because you know my heart is towards Christian leadership
But it’s often that we’ve heard and probably even understand though we might not realize it we are going to be held accountable see Christian leaders are judged differently than everyone else we are going to be held accountable by what we preach and submit to the people
Well guess what also has to be true if that is true we also going to be held accountable for what we choose not to preach to the people and whether we like to believe it or not as I close majority of Pastors in our culture fit this description
It’s not they don’t pre-sound Doctrine whatever they preach but they choose to stay away from certain topics they sound when they speak on stuff some of them but most avoid certain topics that you’ll never hear to preach from the pulpit why because of prevalence so preachers and even Christians you’re not
Only going to be judged on what you say you’re also going to be judged on what you choose not to say you as an effort of self-preservation so I just wanted to be reminded to the leaders as we get dive into this topic today because hey I’m in a college town
And we’re going to be speaking and having a conversation about what Greek organizations and fraternities and you are barely gonna hear a pastor one or two but not many in a college town speak on this subject so I want to leave us with that and again I want to welcome
Everybody else to the show tonight thank you for your time all right hey thank you for that Crawley talk all right and again we want to uh you all share this out there let folks um know and again feel free to comment as well as we introduce our guests okay and say this
Is gonna be an explosive show we’ve done this before I think I think a couple of times but you know what hey within our five years going on six years man we’ve covered a lot of topics and we are glad to revisit some some ones that we’ve
Done so again we want to thank you all out there all right for for making this happen for us okay well hey well look I want to uh definitely I’ll start off welcoming um my guests all right Uh Kevin and Jay Kevin I know that’s DJ 5000 and some of
Y’all have heard some of our mixtapes Grown Folk gospel and things like that and so hey that’s he and I on there along with other good DJ friend who who his his childhood friend DJJ so uh hey hey I don’t know you uh DJ Snake’s name
Man you can tell it though but uh who who is uh who who is a pastor as well and uh Dr Brewer who is friends with Kevin and Jay I want to thank him for for being on they are in the Greek fraternities and we’ll uh let let them
You know I guess give a brief introduction of who they are and things like that so uh fellas welcome welcome to the show again these are my guests right here guys so hey so whoever wants to go first go ahead I’ll go first uh good evening hope
Everybody’s doing well my name is Kevin uh I am in a D9 organization been in it for uh actually this year will be 25 years for me I’m in other um organizations I guess you could say community-based organizations uh where we help the community where we
Do like I said do different things in the community call watches uh fundraisers fish fries things of that nature again I’m also a deacon in my church I’ve been a deacon for almost 13 years so um thank you again welcome all right thank you there all right the DJ 5000 brother
Kevin all right Jay go ahead sir peace peace and blessings be upon everybody I pray that everybody having a good day thank you for allowing us to be here today thank you for the other panel members here today uh pray that everybody had a good day um Pastor for uh several years
I’m just I’m a man of God love love what I do and passionate about about what I do uh you know I’m good on the turntables too so that’s another story that’s that’s my uh that’s another story another time but um just just passionate about life man and trying to make a
Difference and and always remember judge not because the same as a judgment will be put back oh let me turn my mic off all right hey bro hey bro you know what’s funny with him saying that it reminded me because tonight and I actually slipped my mind I
Was gonna say that tonight I was gonna say you know for the book that I wrote which I didn’t go into it the new age vernacular and you all can get it it’s available on Amazon it’s available on Lulu uh it’s also digital but Ron you
Know what I said if there was a way that we could put a count meter for how many times someone mentioned a chapter that I go over in my book The New Age vernacular because every conversation I could assure you at least at minimum three chapters that I explained uh in my
About the new age vernacular exposing the world of language that Christians use we talk about biblically how our language that we think as Christians don’t really line up with scripture and so he reminded me when I say I said man that slipped my mind uh when we when we
Actually said that because we do know that the word of God for anyone this is a Christian show make no uh we make no apologies for that and I think everybody uh on here agrees that and we thank you so much you know I’m saying for that so
We get down to the Christian views and Christian issues of Christian takes on things but he reminded me when he said that you know what I’m saying about that so thank you so much for bringing that up so we’re gonna see how many come up tonight all right hey Dr Brewer how you
Doing I’m great I’m great I’ve been in my D9 Organization for 26 years now and I’m also a member of two other fraternal organizations um something that I noticed and I thought it was kind of timely right before I got to introduce myself one of the uh participants just wrote in we
Cannot get closer to God if we do not separate ourselves from those things was away from God um I think that opens up the platform that’s why I’m glad that I’m here because uh to be honest with you my organizations when I got to be a part of
Them actually pulled me closer to God and without those notifications I might not have gotten that platform or be led in that direction so a lot of things uh have to do what it is that you know about the organization when you join it while you’re join it while you’re being
A part of it and what it is you’re doing while you’re in it and if you notice that there are things and I do believe this about every organization and this is churches included good people and bad people are at all of you amen all right
All right well hey look we’re about to definitely get into it for sure but hey our last guest and I’m gonna let uh uh um Quality um introduce them because uh he’s he was in contact with them more than I haven’t thank you all so much for
Being on the show actually and I’ll let them introduce their sales the reason why we actually have this show is because of them tonight uh y’all know many times before y’all have heard Ron and I over the course of these six years ask and employ you guys if there’s a
Topic that you would like to help discuss y’all could send it y’all could recommend it because that’s what we’re here for because one thing we do know about church unfortunately it is not the place where you can have dialogue around certain topics that you can’t lift and
Raise your hand uh you know so with that said so I think it was wrong it was last month we did a show I think it was on women pastors or something like that and y’all they can correct me if I’m wrong and I got a message sent by uh these
People and they was like listen they was like we enjoyed the show sound Doctrine this than the other have y’all done or have y’all thought about doing it and I’m like yeah you know we’ve done that maybe twice before I said but hey we can
Do it again because we hadn’t done it in a while and you know our audience grow and so um well because of that we say you know I think that’ll be a good idea and so we came up with this date where they was able and available to be on
Tonight and so he this is what brings us to show uh Bernard and also uh Katrina Jackson and also there’s uh one more person uh brother Hardy I don’t know if he’s making it long of he’ll make it on but he’ll come on too so but Bernard and
CR and Katrina I’m sorry and could you all just introduce yourselves and you all could briefly just so we can go ahead and get into it um yeah just briefly share your testimony while we’re here tonight my name is Bernard we are definitely excited about being on
Tonight uh my testimony is basically I was raised in church I knew the right thing uh I went to the College of Virginia Commonwealth University so I’ve been around the Greek organizations um never really appealed to me uh my wife of course she has a different testimony
Um but to make my testimony short and simple I’m walking to class early one morning uh old Sanctified mother across the road and gave me a track on hell I didn’t throw it away but I didn’t read it because I knew what it said so that was God’s way of getting my attention
Um and after that you know I worked full flesh for the Lord so we uh professed to be nothing more than servants uh we are under the awesome leadership of Pastor Orlando and Carlos hanko here in the beautiful city of Williamsburg and providential Rain church so we are just
Excited about tonight we’re excited about God’s word and I’ll go ahead and let Katrina introduce good evening everyone I am excited to be here also please forgive me for my voice and I also have to do the disclaimer our three-year-old daughter was not feeling well so if we are joined just go ahead
And just forgive us now um for that Interruption but um I was I pledged undergraduate at LSU in 2001. and I usually when I tell my testimony a lot of times I don’t even tell what I planned because the foundational truths about Greek letter organizations are all
The same uh so but I did pledge Delta um in 2001 and then I renounced it in 2003 and to not get into all of the details because they’re just so much that God showed me during that time um but I was uh going home for college you know
How we are when we’re going I I got there all I ever wanted to be was a Delta all of my mentors uh that coached me and trained me through High School my counselor the lady I worked for so many other women who I uh admired and aspire
To be like were all Delta so that was the influence that was around me so when I got there and saw everything I just knew that that’s what I was going to do and so um went through intake we almost didn’t make it because there was just drama
Around uh the whole process and uh our our careers were actually threatened as students because of um alleged hazing that was going on with a subset of people who may have been pledging they called underground and so um we finally did then cross and then in 2003
I was sick and tired of being in sin I was raised in church so I thought I was good I I thought I was a Christian already I thought my Christianity was inherent because I went to church and was um raised under the you know everything
That we know to be Bible and so you couldn’t tell me that what I had done was wrong now I got to read in that ritual and starting to understand some of the things that I was saying in my heart I thought oh well I don’t really
Mean what I’m saying I mean I’m not really saying all of my hearts and my soul belongs to Delta I’m just you know going along with what we say we don’t really mean these words it don’t mean anything um and so when I went on and a retreat that was
Very eye-opening for me I I had never seen the Lord in this way and I realized I really didn’t know and so my My Life as a Christian for real began that weekend March 7 39 2003 and it’s been uh roller coaster those last 20 years
Um with that and so one of the major things that we thought so very important about revisiting this topic and here is because I’ve never given a public testimony to why I renounced my letters now at the time I didn’t even fully understand what I was doing myself and
So my line sisters it was a lot of confusion um it was and it was very difficult I mean it was literally so wrenching because here you are you’ve become one with this organization because when you take these O’s and these vowels and we’ll get more into that later um about
What that really means when you take these old and vowages like taking a covenant in marriage trying to separate our lives would be is anyone who’s ever experienced divorce you grew up with divorced people trying to separate those lives it’s almost impossible especially if you have children
And once you pledge the organization you have committed by oath to the people of that organization and to the deities of that organization and I know that everyone knows that at the top of the crest for each of these organizations there is a God there’s Minerva the goddess of wisdom
Who is the top of the crest for Delta and I’ve heard all the arguments of course I’m ready to answer any of those as they come um and but when you take that oath and that pledge it is like become coming into Covenant with those people and trying to separate yourself literally
Feels like you’re pulling your soul apart and that’s what it felt like for me it was very wrenching and um but as the Lord revealed to me over the years just affirmed to me that I made the right decision um the thing that actually kind of blew
It up for me is after I came back from their Retreat and because we’d already been in trouble on the campus about her online about hazing I get back and there was a fight that had taken place um at the parade grounds at LSU uh and this is in Louisiana Baton Rouge and
I was in trouble I had police officer on my voicemail telling me that I needed to come to the station and give an interview or answer questions about the site that took place and I was like I don’t know what to tell you because I wasn’t here but I was responsible
Because I was the president of our chapter and so I went through that process and I if I didn’t pray and cry out to God I said Lord please I have to graduate this is it this is my semester to graduate and um because I had no intention after
Coming back from that Retreat of renouncing my letters none whatsoever I had all my elephants I was still collecting I’m a parent everything and then I got that message and I started to question I’m like okay Lord are you speaking to me right now and yes he was and I um in prayer
And realizing what was at stake and he just showing me what what’s that that oath there was the O’s that I started to study what that really meant um I knew I had to let it go I had to give it up I was very clear to me uh I
Don’t think I had a dream or anything it just was very clear that I had to get out of this organization and so I wrote a letter uh to the national office rescinding my membership I repented of those O’s and um I gave away and threw away all of the
Paraphernalia that I had so let me just real quick because if we want to get some some comments as well and let Ron cover those comments rear set so Bernard are you did you also were a part of one that you come out of as well no sir I
Never okay so you just support okay gotcha yeah no sir okay cool Ron did you watch yeah we got some comments we want to thank y’all again for for what y’all been saying we got some great comments here um one thing about this show and those who are watching you know we’re no
Strangers too when it comes to disagreements or so and that’s what makes this particular show even great because we have so we have a few people that are again on the other end of the spectrum as well that’s going to give their peace and so we’re showing y’all
How to have a dialogue and a disagreement without the disrespect and hopefully a lot of you church folks will learn this and learn how to and learn how to to mature in Christ because we may not agree on the same thing so like this we’re still Brothers and Sisters in
Christ so with this and with that said Ron before we get to the comments I also want to remind that I want to remind because I know I’m talking to Americans and our culture has taken over our theology so much so to think that just like in a democratic world when we got
Both sides represented in everybody Christian um I get to pick which side that’s represented me that’s most comfortable to me and I want to let you know that that’s anti-christian though that is pro-american why do I say this because the scriptures that we call the Bible
The word of God which are dictated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ says I want us to have the same mind and judgment in what all things so I understand As Americans though we have different sides of the spectrums represented different things of this nature the goal is not to
Represent both sides this is not a debate show the goal for a Christian show is to get down to God’s heart concerning the matter and let all of us be open to it because one thing that I know about true humility as well as as as maturity as this it is knowing when
To be open and when to be closed and so with that said we want to understand because sometimes we can try to bring American rights to a Christian stage and sometimes we got to look at the American rights and say no you don’t have it right here though we have a right
Culturally so I also want to make sure we have that but and Derek Hardy real quick check your you ask for what the link was because he was supposed to be home too bro if you’re watching it’s in your check your messenger the link was sent to your messenger all right uh we
Want to go with Deborah I think this could go for for all you guys so um but uh uh I think Dr uh Drew you I I think she was I mean I mean I’m I’m Brewer she was pretty much directed to you to the gentleman who stated this fraternity
Drew him closer to God once you would pull closer to him who you studied obtain Revelation regarding your membership did you stop at just being close or in your spiritual growth were your eyes open or what’s your hearing spiritually enhanced rhetorical question so um again we’ll go in that order go ahead
Yeah although she said historical I mean now that we’re answering the question yeah I think it’s important to address and that Jackson just said where she is top of all of the organizations spoken absolute that there is a God at the top of all organizations um unfortunately I don’t know that the
Truth I mean I know she spoke with the Minerva which is the mother the Minerva Circle for Delta signature where they go through what they do as far as when they are pledging and so forth but that’s not the truth in all organizations now um if
She’s speaking in a sense of uh people and looking at an idolatry I could see where maybe she’s coming from and the fact that some people do put it in idle status but that was not the sense for me when I got the organization that I got
Into the reason that I got into it was because Christian ideas brought forth for me from everything colors to everything hey um Dr Brewer hey oh you keep going in and out a little bit for so I don’t know um it’s yeah we only hear like every
Other word so yeah I don’t know if you might be the reason that connection to something yeah I might need a refresh and maybe come back maybe that Uh Kevin go ahead and go man all right um the reason I got into my organization back in 1997 honestly was because of
Because of one of my good friends that I was in school with and I was also in the bandwidth um we were on I guess you could say we were online for one organization and I I ended up not finishing the process he ended up finishing the process
Um then I found out he was joining another uh fraternity of D9 organization and I said okay this time I’m going to join with him so he ended up joining like uh two years before I did and again I joined because of the community but more than that I joined because
I saw the type of person he was I like what he was about he was a good friend of mine and how you doing brother farmer he was a good friend of mine he’s still a good friend of mine but I say all that because I I’ve been in the
Organization like I said for 25 years I’ve joined other organizations and first thing I do in the morning is I pray to God I don’t pray to any D9 I don’t pray to any uh Masonic order or I’m trying to say anything of that nature I pray to God and yes I’ve seen
The videos where people have denounced their organizations and that’s that’s fine and dandy God has not spoken to me about denouncing my organization I almost see it as a lot of times we say light in a dark place and that’s that’s how I see myself
Um no I don’t wear my letters all the time I don’t wear my envelopes and logos and all that stuff but again I’m still a child of God and where I go I got god with me again I’m a deacon and I know who comes first in my life
Real quick Kevin you said uh I heard you say light in a dark place where when you were saying dark place what were you meaning when you said dark place it’s just for clarification okay so of course with any organization within with any uh churches you know where all the centers
We all have things going on but it all starts with the mind so if I wake up first thing in the morning I say thank you heavily um Masons for what you’re doing for me today we pledge you we love you and we’re gonna do your work today
Yes there are people in that organization that may drain that may smoke there are people in denials that drink and smoke there are people in churches that drink and smoke okay so again we’re born centers and we’re going to die centers but again it starts in
The mind of the way you’re going to live your life are you going to serve man are you gonna are you going to serve God and like I said for me yes I’m in the organizations I do community service but again I know that God comes first and that’s the light for me
Duke had a uh something to come up that I wanted to address all right if you want to read it hey real quick hey let’s go to Jay and then we’ll go to Duke yeah yeah I think so a couple things that that comes up in my mind is
Um first I I’m I’m I’m stuck in like First Corinthians 15 33 where it says do not be deceived Bad Company ruins good morals um I think what Deacon Bradley was saying that you know unfortunately you have fat people bad company and many different forefronts it’s not just for turning any sororities
Um it’s it’s many of the different um emphasis where you may be around bad people um I think as you grow spiritually as you grow grow as a person closer to God then there’s many other things that I think takes that we look at our life overall and we’ll say there’s several
Things that we we probably want to stop putting by I use TV for example I mean there’s many things we we feed into ourselves TV wise musical wise that feeds into our spirit that we really look out over our life there’s many things that we should be pulling back
From as we grow closer to God because anything that we put before God is always going to be a problem that’s that’s any situation any any organization um any you put your job before guys many different things we gotta fall back and pause and say how do we grow closer
Because the end of the day I I never want to be a stumble block for anybody I I know if you come to my house and you say Hey you know how I honor God is I take my shoes off and when I take my
Shoes off we come in we pray and and we you know we give honor to God then that’s how your house ran I will make sure I will honor your house if that’s how you feel that you you want to honor God so I just think we got to be mindful
As people on their journey and on their walk if you have been given information and God has blessed you will with knowledge then you know a sin is being Disobedience to God to God will if God have told you to do something specific then you have to do what God has told
You to do because now you if you don’t then that’s that’s a sin and then you are being disobedient to what God has given you so amen okay all right uh yeah um again if you just join us we’re talking about Greek Greek organizations and Christians okay so yes uh feel free
To join in the conversation all right um here uh Duke says I think American denominations and Greek fraternities and sororities are the same this is what I want to deal with because not only I’ve heard this equivocation come up already in discussion and not
Only that he puts it on the side so I wanted to deal with this before we go on any further also before I start I want to say this the lack just because a person lacked conviction from God still doesn’t purify that act and say that it’s okay with God
Just because they are not convicted why because the the foundational conviction comes from a couple different things conviction just doesn’t just come from God it also comes from your maturity level in God as well as your knowledge of the scriptures so even everybody who maybe a true Christian
Who may serve the same God may not get convicted of the same things it’s not because God has given you the freedom to do it it’s just because of your lack of ignorance information or or um interpretation or rendering of that so I wanted to get that out of the way
Lack of conviction doesn’t purify an action I do want to say that before I go in the front but now let’s deal with this it is totally false to believe that fraternities sororities or even groups like Freemasonry are the equivalent of church denominations now here’s one thing that is true about all
Of them yes you do got good and bad people and all but here’s the difference whenever you find yourself the Bible puts it in one translation slapping your hand in pledge there’s a difference because the difference between organization and great organisms and great organizations and denominations are that first of all
You ask yourself okay what is the Oaths what are the pledges not only that what also am I pledging more of an allegiance to and then get this I heard someone say uh that it’s not true which I would totally disagree because having researched myself not only that heaven knowing
Friends that have come out and having friends that that are out that have still been a part of these organization not only that but even folks that I know who carried the books the actual books of the organization that they can read lets us know that there’s something more
Now denominations get off y’all heard me if you haven’t heard me I’ve gone in on them enough to know that yeah just because it’s a denomination don’t make it right but the difference is is that when all is something else attached to your Jesus because even if the Bible
Said when the Bible says there’ll be no other gods before me that’s just not meaning that you’re okay as long as you don’t put any God above God that’s also including any of the Gods even if you say God is more important but I can still attach other things to him and we
Can make a case that not only when we look at these organizations when we look at their books that get this have scripture but if we be honest one thing that I know about these books there is proof that it and I understand it’s not it’s secret you know what I’m saying I
Understand what goes on and what doesn’t go on with some of the hazing but I also understand this this is a fact this is not an opinion in the books they literally take scripture yes they do take the name out of the scripture yes and replace it with a personified deity
Yes sir now that’s either yes or no it ain’t no opinion either that’s right or that’s wrong and if that is true now we can start getting somewhere as far as Christianity 101 and the violations of certain spirituality but I’ll stop there and digress if I may confirm that
Um in the ritual there is a uh First Corinthians chapter 13 which we all know to be the love chapter in the Bible uh not sorry not the Lovejoy uh he’s speaking there when I thought as when I was a child I thought as a child but
When I became a man I did things as a man um and I’m paraphrasing and oh no that scripture by heart um but in the Delta ritual it says when I was a pyramid which is what you call yourself as a Delta pledge I thought at
A pyramid but when I became a Delta I put away the ways of those attending to be Deltas the Bible is also very clear my husband can help me out where this scripture is that you do not take away from or add to the word of God so to
Take scripture is already sacrilege and change it to accommodate an organization now I don’t care what that organization is and that includes churches yes I’ve heard all of these arguments before I put God first I’m not saying that you don’t but as apostle Crowley just stated just because you’re saying that you put
God first if you are still serving in any capacity in something that leads to sin and leads your heart away from God it is still sin for you so your conviction about it has to be based on what the word of God tells us to do and
What it says about what we’re doing and what is your measuring stick when we say that the organization is founded on Christian principles so is Buddhism so are Chinese Proverbs there are many things that are founded on Christian principles that are not actually Christian at all well let me say this
Founded on Christian principles Mains and a Harris to God’s word and it’s very dangerous what the Greek letter organizations do they actually come in and add to God’s word if you look at Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 2 it says this I’m reading from the new King James version you shall not add to
The word which I command you nor take from it that you may keep the Commandments of the Lord your God which I command you so it’s very obvious that they take in every place you know the name of the Lord and they will put the name of the Greek organization
When the Bible clearly says we have to love the Lord Our God with all our hearts our heart with all our soul with all our mind we go to Revelation chapter 22 verse 18 and 19. it is very dangerous to play with God’s word uh Verse 18 why testify to you everyone
Who hears the words of the prophecy of this book if anyone adds to these things God will answer him the plagues that are written in this book and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy God shall take away his part
From The Book of Life from the holy city and from the things which are written in this book so we can’t say is is founded on Christian principles if we are not gonna according to first Thessalonians 5 and 21 and we’re not going to test all
Things and make sure that they line up with God’s work amen amen all right hey hey um man all these comments are definitely coming in I got a couple things I want to say then I want to take it to Dr Brewer to give him a chance and then um
Bring um um Derek um Hardy on as well so um but definitely with with these Divine nines and if you look at it these denominations are pretty much no different because again we all either Baptist Koji um Pentecostal all that I mean it’s like really that’s like a fraternity and a
Sorority all in itself and uh and yeah we may be serving the quote-unquote same God so but isn’t this more like a meat eating issue as well too if some folks may look at sin as as as eating meat as opposed to you know but at the foundational core what you’re saying
Here’s the thing just because we could look at two things like denominations and fraternities and sororities just because we can see similar mistakes that they make still doesn’t make them foundationally the same thing parallel wise and that’s what we’re doing so we do have some denominations that act like
Fraternities and sororities at time and they make you pledge more allegiance to the organization than the Jesus Christ and that they are all anybody that does that is of course is in violation because we do see a parallel one of the one of the flaws about these don’t then I mean
Fraternities that we’re talking about they’re making you join much like Freemasonry and if you all are familiar with undergrad um uh undergrad these rituals and stuff and the blindfolding stuff which everybody don’t do but it’s tweaked not only that but even the first denominations which guess what black the black the Divine line
Had an ambition to say we want to have our own that come out of the original one this is why the divine nine birthdays doesn’t exceed the 1900s so they came from somewhere so when you take all of that into play it says well hey at the core we do want to establish
A Brotherhood where we’re Lincoln get this another violation that’s Christians we’re linking ourselves to pledge a brother or Sisterhood as family to unbelievers well guess what that is something that’s forbidden the scripture that we would call universalism and inclusion spiritually that is forbidden also in scripture under the universe in
This framework so when we look at all of that that’s what makes it different yes some denominations have the same and you know I’m not here to purify denominations because I’m I’m not in one myself but that’s what but just because it has violates the same mistake doesn’t
Make it foundationally the same parallel so they’re not the same all right hey let’s go to Dr Brewer let’s uh yeah go ahead finish finish up what you would say go ahead yeah even though if I’m clear am I clear this time yes sir yes
Sir you sound better yes sir well one of the things and it’s like is it as I’m going on I’m hearing more and more what I was trying to clarify earlier is that that we keep speaking in these absolutes for all the organizations but all the examples are coming from one
Organization and then you uh Apostle Crowley said that you you have friends and books and this that and the other but all the books are not published the same because I’ve been I did a lot of research like I said just 26 years in but I continue to do research on all the
Organizations and I know that three of the three of them but I because I was in it when it was the elite eight not the divine nine right three three of those I know do not replace the words and and they actually quote scripture and they start off with everything that they do
In prayer in every meeting and everything else that they’re doing and the prayer is to God it is not to a God it is to God there are no other guys being mentioned in three of those so to that’s what I was saying you can’t speak in absolutes unless you’ve done the
Research on all of them and that’s why you know so as far as that goes you know um Joseph early you want me to name my organization I don’t speak for my organization but I am I am a member about this afternoon to Incorporated but I do not speak for kappa’s because like
I said in every organization you got good and bad and that’s the reality of what we’re dealing with so what you have is you have people who will put things above others who will idolize these certain things but when you sit there and you look at the research that goes
Into these organizations when we’re talking about you know Christian foundations there are some that are Christian foundations there are some that are christian-led and they are based in spiritual stuff that they’re doing to make sure that everyone can continue to stay a Christian while they’re in there there are some
Organizations that when you actually get into it they ask you if you are Christian will not let you win if you’re not a Christian so you know I mean to sit there and and say it’s not an absolute because a lot of them are different and things are ran different
Ways and unfortunately one thing I’ve learned in all organizations you can go you know to North Carolina and it’d be one way and be in New York and it’d be a completely different way so that’s why you know I had a line brother who’d been out who denounced it and you know my
Brother I love him to death we talk all the time and you know he’s in love with my journey and what’s going on in my life and I’m in love with what’s going on in his life you know that’s the reality of what it is because
The fraternity did not make make us who we are it was just a part of something that went on in our lives and we continue to do those things so um I mean there’s a bunch of questions yeah so okay and I would just I would disagree with that from the standpoint
Of there is some Universal thing to the Divine name because after all y’all are Greek letter organizations and so when you do look at that of course they’re all they all have some differences in how they tweak and even your different chapters and stuff like that but they also foundational truths that are
Consistent across all of them even when you look at the books and even though you I would I would never say they even come in praying against another God but here’s one thing we do know one of the things that’s consistent even when you pay attention to the actual chance and
Not only Kappa Alpha Psi one of the ones who I also paid attention to the the nicknames that y’all call one another brothers and the foundation from where that come from is definitely anti-biblical and anti-christian when you even look at the core or because you know the name that and that’s Universal
Depending on chapter there’s a nickname that you all call one another and you’re pretty and I’m pretty sure you understand foundationally what that dick name is about and where it comes from and so when you look at stuff like that it’s just because it’s and it’s just like Freemasonry just because some of
Them don’t even know till they get the higher levels that’s not you guys and swell is not only when you look at the alphas because it is kind of different but it is all the same as far as a Greek letter personified such like when I look at the akas
Atlas the atlas God means something to them now they don’t go and pray to Atmos but it’s not only on their Crest and there’s a reason why at the top of the crest as well as many others in the divine nine there’s a turn into the East
So when I look at these there are different tweaks but at the core of all of them there is a personified deity that is attached to all of them even though y’all ain’t going in praying to that deity and you may not even mention it dear to your name but when you pay
Attention to not only what is in the books the chance that you all make you can see a deity attached to every one of the divine nine which is not just a divine nine but it’s also the ones that the divine nine try to mimic that was here before the 1900s before black
People even had organizations but yeah man they made a lot of questions come for for Dr Brewer and uh with uh hey hey we’re gonna come back to you uh hey uh brother Hardy man welcome welcome to the show man how’s everybody doing can you hear me yes yes sir yes sir
Yeah so um what’s your take on this as well um my take on it is uh I’m I used to be a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity uh Incorporated I denounced uh a few years ago um never sat right with me to be a
Member at all and and my take on this as far as announcing is it’s a personal thing um it’s not something that I criticize anybody else about is to each his own um you know in my conscience well in my conscience it was never right it never set right in my spirit
And I’ll tell this to anybody um but what I’ll say is you know the scripture says that you know you’re not supposed to speak Idle Words um you’re not supposed to play edge of you know um so many things we were asked to say that contradicted the word of God
Um and again this is from my perspective in terms of studying the Bible and more and deadly not that I’m smarter than anybody else but from my conscience and my spirit lining the word up the word of God up with what I was asked to do Bow before
Altars pray to unknown Gods things like that absolutely inconsistent with my understanding of the word of God and what we’re supposed to do we’re not supposed to do and that’s just my take on it again I don’t criticize anybody to each his own uh but I can just tell you that it’s not
For me wow amen amen thank you for that wow hey wow again if you want to join in on the conversation go ahead and keep these comments are coming as well uh Brothers uh anybody wants to want to jump in on this highly opinionated um when it comes to it um but my
Opinions are not based on just some random by chance hearing or experience it is all scriptural um and my conviction comes from understanding what God’s word says and having read it over and over and over again not not by any means trying to sound prideful like oh I know the word
And you don’t what I’m saying is is that we are conditioned to justify our sin and blame it on something else because that’s the first thing Eve did when she got confronted oh well the serpent deceived me so that’s why I ate in the edible oh well I mean she told me that
You know I should take a bite and so I did well the deception in our culture is that we’re so immersed in cultural things that we deny we have a form of godliness and we deny the power here I’ve seen the link of how powerful it actually is to
Know and operate in the truth of the word of God and then when you mix in all this worldly stuff just like taking those covenants and Oaths it’s hard to separate what is the truth from the deception and so um when we are speaking to um what we actually went through as
Pledges I can only give you the experience from Delta because that’s what I pledged but I have read all of the other rituals in part I have made I’ve seen several uh passages of scripture that have been taken out of context and just because you slap a scripture on something don’t make it
Saved and holy and so um and that’s not this is not again we’re dialoguing so I’m again not trying to be disrespectful I’m just making it very plain and I’m I don’t want to sugarcoat at all what we’re talking about because we are literally talking about the souls of
People lives and those rituals are absolutely purely demonic because the things that you are doing I walked into a dark room with women holding signs repeating these O’s to elements of the earth and then I bowed down at a table with my hand over my heart and one hand
Over a sorority pin and I pledged and I said a prayer to the eternal spirit Spirit of Truth which I still don’t know who that is I don’t know what deity I’m assuming makes you Minerva because it only says eternal spirit of Truth it wasn’t to God I didn’t pray to God and
Ask him to bless um or to or I didn’t make an allegiance to the father holy God of the Trinity um when I made that pledge that oh I took to Delta Sigma Theta and that’s the same oath that everyone who’s ever pledged any Greek letter organization that we’re speaking to panhellenic Greek
Organizations I cannot say that there are honor Societies or other things that they do any of that um I know Phi Beta Kappa may have some oath that you take I know doctors take O’s to protect and serve uh save lives but we’re talking about specifically praying to and giving your heart soul
And allegiance to a deity that is not God and you cannot mix the two together because God said I will not give my glory to another so either you are going to serve the one and hate the other or you’re just confused because you cannot serve two masters I cannot be
Married to two men I can only serve the one man that God has given given me to to be his wife and that’s why God even established in his work that if you if you want to be a bishop or a pastor or an elder in the church you got to be a
Man number one and then you have to have one wife and Rule your household will so when we talk about the word we can’t just take it in parts we can’t take little pieces of it and say well we do good work in community service yeah but
In whose name who gets the glory when you’re doing that because when you operate in the name of Delta you get Delta gets the glory where you operate in the name of Alpha Phi Alpha God’s name is not on the flyer it is Alpha Phi Alpha so when we’re talking about who
We’re serving I’m not saying that that’s what your heart is to do I believe that when people say they put God first that they really mean that they get up and they pray to God in the morning they’re not walking around reading a ritual and speaking those Oaths but when you go to
That chapter meeting and you are starting every meeting reciting those Oaths remaining those affirmations that you are required to say for your membership in that organization um then yes you are then splitting your soul and giving your Allegiance right back to that organization or that deity that is over that organization and yes
All of them have one hey Carmen check your inbox Carmen they bow down to the space Delta got Minerva Kappa has Apollo I mean the delphinic shrine none of that is Godly or biblical all right man man wow hey yeah yeah those who want to come
On as well just for a brief second again just um just let me know comment check your inbox man all these comments are coming in thank you that’s assist man hey you you really breaking it down uh you know I think that’s a good thing too Ron that because we have to separate
Just because you curse a thing don’t mean you automatically assume to know a person’s intent behind doing the thing and I think that’s why a lot of people because who am I to question and first of all we can because one of the things
One of the things that we do is we slap God in the face and don’t understand that Christianity is a supernatural walk meaning this it comes with supernatural abilities I don’t even have to know you at all just for God to show me that something is off with you that’s for one
So sometimes we just think oh Christianity it’s just all natural and if you can’t see it hear it smell it then who are you that’s just not the you know that’s not biblical Christianity but what I’m saying is I see a terror because I know I got family members and
Friends close to me that I just know I’m like I know they have been loving Jesus and recently joined these organizations so I the thing is I’m not saying that they had evil intent behind doing it they may even still think that it helps them believe and get close to God much
Like Freemasonry that we did a show on uh you know in the beginning they say hey man bring your Bibles and they someone even teach from the Bible and that’s why we have to understand the difference between biblical fact and godly truth don’t you know the devil used scripture demons use scripture and
They know scripture more than us so the biblical fact is not enough and it discussion her biblical fact don’t point you towards Godly truth now with that said ultimately that’s what we want to realize is that when we’re saying that this isn’t right and no it’s not left up
To everyone’s personal thing in the Kingdom because that’s the reason why I teach even in the book we get that thing wrong we hear things and it seems like it’s America like work out your own soul salvation but we don’t even understand it that’s not saying you get to tell them make
Your faith that’s literally saying no you need to be in one in mind with the person and the spiritual entity that taught you so you should act the same even when you’re not in their presence you shouldn’t act differently that’s what that scripture means so with all of
That said I’m saying this just because your intention is good don’t mean that deception is not present deception doesn’t look like deception that’s why it is called deception well I would definitely want to push back a little bit so and again fellas I’m gonna turn
It over to you as well that you know when when she may mention about the ocean so hey we’ve been taking Oaths all our lives pretty much yeah look at the Pledge of Allegiance all right uh other things that we’ve done so again that’s the that’s the problem with a lot of
Christians unfortunately we lack consistency in all areas and all so yeah you know uh you know I agree with what you’re saying but if we’re going to do it for one then we need to do it all all the way across the boards if that makes sense well all those aren’t created
Equal when you you make you take no listen what I’m saying did you make an oath did you make a covenant with your wife at the altar yeah uh-huh okay so all also not created equal because God honored that one see it’s not just the fact that Oaths are
Wrong what is wrong is what is the oath comprised of so all Oaths are not created equal so Allegiance then God doesn’t really agree with that either then well I’m not talking about the pledge allegiance yeah because you you’ve heard me say plenty of times before any Allegiance that’s not
Consistent with God’s will America is not good for Christians even if you want to throw in America which I’m not saying I pledge allegiance too now I remember when I was in elementary school they made me do it but I’m also an advocate of hey not public school either you see
I’m saying the remit we got to remember that J and like I always teach two wrongs don’t make a right and just because you can prove an inconsistency in something doesn’t now purify the thing that’s inconsistent to begin with so so it’s just you know what’s wrong is
It from coming from their perspective as well too then you know I didn’t say that again no you’re saying two wrongs don’t make right so again we want to hear for us it’d be wrong where’s the right aspect of it um from the brothers here is like okay
You all are in this because again I never pledge I got family members and friends that are in it but um you all know more about this than than I do so uh y’all go ahead and speak your piece on this foreign sure go ahead yeah okay thank you uh so
So first those are legally binding so when you come to Greek letter organizations and when you are making an old you are actually empowering demonic Thrones uh if you look at Matthew chapter 5 verses 33-35 it reads and this is the new King James version again you
Have heard that it was said to those of old you shall not swear falsely but you shall perform your Oaths to the Lord so we should not be making the oath to Minerva we should be not making an oath to Apollos uh Katrina describe how people are bowing down and they’re
Making in covenants if you if you talk about covenants if you look they would actually cut an animal into the person had to walk through the blood and when they broke that oath they were saying that you could do the same exact thing you did to the animal you can do to me
So the the oath is very important because it also can impact our future Generations when we operate in Disobedience and we do things that are not pleasing to the Lord the Bible clearly says that he will visit the iniquity going back to the third and the fourth generation on both sides of our
Family and as humble as I can say not trying to be disrespectful by any means but I heard my brother say earlier I forgot his name uh but he said that he had joined because you know some of his friends that told him to join but if we
Look at the word of God we cannot make the word of God of none effect in order to be uh adhere to tradition that that can’t be our standard simply because somebody else did it and this is why our the Christian church is getting in trouble now because you’ve seen big name
Celebrities you see pastors like Jamal Bryant that a lot of people follow and they are pledging Greek how can you pledge Greek and still be a Christian when it Amos three and three it clearly says how can two walk together unless they agree so we must agree with God’s
Word first and foremost if we are going to deem ourselves Christian and our opinions we we talked about the Church of laodicea in our teaching on Revelation that was a heavily opinionated church and that is our problem a lot of times we have so much opinions that can remove Weight than the
Word of God God’s way God’s word must carry more weight than what we think is correct that’s true and someone did mention in the comments about Christianity not being biblical or I don’t know they were questioning it or if they were saying that but I just wanted to say Christianity itself is absolutely
Biblical because in the book of Acts when they were first started to be called Christians after Jesus had been resurrected and that’s where we get Christianity from however there are people as we’ve already discussed who do not actually follow the practices of Christ but label themselves as Christians practicing uh but they’re
Deceived which is what Apostle Paul also mentioned the deception is that’s right they don’t know if they’re deceived because they call themselves Christians but they don’t actually leak Lifestyles that are biblically saying American Christianity is not biblical right American Christianity is not yeah but that wasn’t the same person I
Remember when she said that yeah he’s right with that but there was somebody that said it earlier that um I remember when they said that okay yeah Kevin wanted to Kevin you know you know the good thing about this uh dialogue that we’re having is that we’re all on the Road
To the same place but many of us are taking God has taken us a different way uh agree or disagree and and the reason I’m asking the reason I’m saying that is because again like I said I can only speak for me I’ve been in my Organization for over 25 years but again
I know who I serve I don’t serve Alpha Beta Gamma Delta I don’t serve any of that my family is first after God if I denounce my organization would that bring me any closer to God that’s a good point yeah and once I come out of the
Organization like like I said once I go to my other organization I’m closer to God now automatically because God has a different walk for all of us if you look at the mountain some of us are going through the mountain some of us are going over the mountain oh some of us
Are going around the mountain but the goal for all of us is to get to God and is that correct um now I’ll push back on that from this perspective and let me pose it let me pose this Kevin what you just said with a question could we not also say it because
You started off painting again your intention and you said your intention is to serve God now I do when you say all of us are trying to get to God in different ways but that doesn’t now purify the ways or even purify us getting to choose the
Ways and I’m not saying you stand up but here’s what I am saying with the same parallel that you just gave we could say that same thing for people who are not saved but sell their souls who are celebrities for they they said listen I
Sold my soul but I didn’t sell it to serve Satan knowledge sold it to get money and we all need money to provide for our families right just like Christians you know I didn’t do this to serve whoever but the thing about it is in the Supernatural contract that you
Took of oath to whether your intentions were to tie yourself to that or not the principle of it mean because of the words that you shared at that spiritual altar meaning that that was the principle that you did whether that was your intentions or not the thing about
It is is that these people intentions wasn’t to destroy lives and serve Satan but what came with the contract was more that they could chew and that’s why a lot of them now coming up being like man I wish I’d never done it and the last
Thing to you sum it up with so does that mean when we automatically denounce that that makes us closer to God no because there’s anything else it takes follow-through action and a lot of times in Christianity we stop believing God because we don’t have follow-through with our decision so what the decision
Did like like to give a parallel what it did was it cuts the nutrients off it’s like whatever dog wins the fight is the one that you feed the most so when you just kill one dog just because you killed one dog don’t make the other dog
Stronger you still gotta feed that dog while you starve the other one so that’s what answers what you end up with when you’re like does that automatically make us close to God because we denounce no because if that was the case even if you was non-Christian that don’t mean you
Become closer to Christ just because you’d announced the organization and I also would say that um well speaking specifically about Christians so what unbelievers are doing is going to be a totally separate thing right but as Christians if we say that we’re all on we’re all supposed to be on
A straight and narrow path that leads toward the father because the goal is to get back to the father then there is only one way and that doorway is Jesus the Christ there is nothing else and no other name under Heaven by which man can be saved except through Jesus Christ so
If he’s going to go through the door that gets to heaven and be invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb when the Lord comes back to collect his spotless blameless wrinkleless bride then Jesus is that way if what we are doing in any capacity in our lives does not wholly
Fit into a Biblical worldview and narrative it is not of God I don’t care what service it does I don’t care how good it looks I don’t care what it smells like it is not God if it does not explicitly serve him if it does not explicitly match what the Bible tells us
To do in obedience to his word and it just my husband has something I’m sorry yeah I just saw that comment that came through saying that uh you know joining the Greek letter organizations gives access to the devil that that is such a powerful statement and it runs so what
Katrina was just now saying in Matthew chapter 17 verse 14 this is the amplifier but it says but the gate is narrow it’s contracted by pressure and the weight is straightened and compressed that leads away to life and few are those who find it you have to be
Very careful with the notion that there are multiple ways this is a lot of what is preached when people preach universalism the One World Government and it’s a doctrine that is dictated by the culture it’s not dictated by God’s word um Also earlier I know someone was saying that well I joined the
Organization so I can be a light amongst Darkness but if you look at John chapter 8 verses 1 through 12 the woman that was caught in adultery Jesus ministered to her but he never became like her in order to minister to her so we can’t really use that that okay well I needed
To become a part of a Greek letter organization in order to reach the Greek letter organization we still can minister to those people without joining something and doing it open doing a ritual which the Bible clearly tells us not to do in order to reason man again y’all this is a critical
Dialogue we’re talking about Greek organizations and Christians hey if you got comments feel free to go ahead on and drop them on there as well because hey you all are helped making this show uh hey fellas uh uh anybody else want to go next on that yeah any one of y’all
Can talk and I’ll after someone else talk I’ll wait to address what uh I think the key Lakeisha bragby said but yeah anybody else y’all could feel Sherry trumpet I got I got something to say um I want to look at the scripture Matthew 12 36 and 37 where it says Every
Idle word that men shall speak they shall give account for therefore that they are judgment so our words important do they have significance are they are they binding in this in the spirit realm are they important to God do we take do we take them seriously or
Do we not take them seriously when do we take them serious or when do we not take them seriously if I’m repeating a poem or a ritual that gives reference to God’s unknown Gods who is that represent is that representing Jesus who is it reversing again I can’t speak for
Anybody’s else organization but what an organization says they are the light of the world and God says he gives no he does not give his glory to another I’m not gonna continue in that way and some people may take the scripture as allegory and things that may not be serious
I don’t take it that way I came to a point in my life where I said hey the word of God is the word of God now am I perfect no but things that I know that go against my spirit in me I will no longer continue so those words have power
Um when you’re referencing an unknown God and they’re having you repeat poetry that gives reverence to Gods there’s only one God only one God and his name is Jesus yes sir and I think that’s to something fundamentally that if we be honest and we can contact someone who has all
The books that was given to him but I think if we be honest those that are in every book and every Creed that is represented those who are true mature Believers if they go back and look at every word every chant there are some things in there spiritually that they
Would say to themselves now I don’t mean that but you have stated it and I think that goes along with what Derek just said we can’t we can’t like choose to go in and out of a principle when it’s convenient it’s either if you chant these words they either mean something
Or they don’t and I think in every single one of those books you’re gonna find not just one multiple things that should not come out of anybody who’s allegiances to Jesus Christ mouth and it shows that you have split and given another Power intentionally or not this
Is why I like what Kevin says covenants do not care about intentions because what we what we’re talking about here is a principle of non-intention here’s one thing about God and about scriptures and about us as finite beings we don’t get to decide how principals operate or not
We get to decide which principles we choose to operate in but we don’t get to decide how the principles themselves operate or not so what we’re talking about here is the thing that I wanted to end with going back up with the lady that I said what’s her name Keisha
Uh yeah she says that’s right yeah yeah right here she said uh the thing is that if you can’t be a Christian is if you can’t be a Christian and can’t be a part of anything other than a church or work or a job there is a problem being a
Christian I live in a world but I am not of the world how I agree with that statement but I believe the last statement actually counteracts the the first statement because now we got to ask ourselves not what we think what does the bible call and identify as
Being in and of the world and being be separate the reason why Christianity is hard and the Bible calls it narrow and if you find it and the scripture also says this there because my brother talked about the ways what does the Bible say there is ways that a way that
Seems right to a man but the in therein leads to what destruction and death so the thing about it is when it comes to the Bible is that what we got to do is yield toward the scripture say and we don’t get to pick and dictate you know
What I’m saying and go in and out of principles for this reason that here’s the thing about the Bible we could be a part of any and everything as long as it doesn’t go contrary to what scripture says now if the Bible says we shouldn’t play around because
It’s one thing we know when we study scripture anytime you see God’s with an S anytime you see anything spiritual and it’s more with an S or anything spiritual outside of the Holy Spirit see that is anti-christian anything spiritual that is not Holy Spirit any
Gods with more than one s is against God it is anti-christian because God is a jealous God there’s only one and there’s only one spirit and so therefore that the Bible tells us that we can’t be a part of anything spiritual outside of the Holy Spirit and if you look at these
Rituals you cannot say and others have admitted that are still a part of them they are not spiritual and we want to welcome Miss Carmen hey we have another lady up here on with amongst all these men yeah hey welcome to critical critical dialogue uh go ahead and stay
To the priest on this as well all right hey everybody uh okay so my name is corn uh I pledge at Southern University and um is that someone else spoke I pledge Delta and like someone else has spoken I didn’t really have a true piece about it
But my my mother did it and so I instantly thought okay well I know my mother’s Spirit she wouldn’t do anything if it was off so um my first late later now I realized that my parents doing it it’s almost like you’re already making a sacrifice
Of your kids to a god like you’re already setting your child up to be sacrificed to molec because you already got your kid you know future AKA future this and so whether we know it or not I know the influence that just the fact that my mother did it she didn’t put it
On me she didn’t but just the fact that she did it the influence automatically came and so you know lately I was like you know that’s like already preparing to sacrifice your kids to a false god and you’re sending them up to walk in that same generational curse um
On while I was in school and I did it like I said I had questions and I thought okay well if I don’t do X Y and Z if I don’t go to the parties if I don’t do this and I don’t do that then
That’ll make it okay and so I tried I tried to analyze it you know all kinds of different ways but I ended up going through the whole process and like the young gentleman said before I never had a piece you know kept hearing things I
Was like oh you can’t say that oh you know that that don’t line up like oh they changing scripture and so the fear of God started to like yes you know if I started to feel the the the fear of God because I was like I I know that this
Ain’t I can’t do this you know in good conscience and um so I ended up I ended up announcing and I wasn’t in very long and um just I asked God I said I need you to show me I need you to show me why I
Can’t do this so that I can clearly explain it without getting too deep because I knew scriptures that I knew some people didn’t know that because ignorance is a big part of this there’s a lot of ignorance involved and so he gave me like Galatians five I don’t have
My Bible because I have to step out the house my kids too loud but um you know about how Division and wild parties and feeling like nobody is right but those in your own little group I know it’s Galatians five something and to me as
Soon as I read that scripture I was like oh my God like this is blatant you know very practical examples the division the wild parties I feel like everybody except those in your group you know are the acceptable ones or you know you know they exclude the uh
Exclusivity of it all and so those are some of the scriptures that God gave me early on to just talk to people who wanted to know but didn’t want to argue they just wanted to listen and then of course he gave me deep descriptions about how they worshiped me under every
Green Tree and I was like oh goodness the Trees Everybody want to get I mean like I just started finding a scripture all throughout the Old Testament and like God was just speaking to me because I asked him to show me so that I can
Understand why I did it I did it in obedience because I knew something wasn’t right but I didn’t have the scripture to go behind it uh and my last point was you know saying all my mind and my soul you know when God says love
The Lord your God with all your mind all your soul all your strength I mean at some point you got to just take it it is what it is you you can’t say those kind of things and say oh it don’t mean that it means exactly what it says it’s a God
And he’s asking for your mind he’s asking for your soul he’s asking for your strength and as far as even with the Capitals you know I don’t know their God I didn’t do their research but when you walk around saying we smoked the dope and we pimp hoes mother that’s the
Way it goes that ain’t golly you know so you just gotta you gotta be real with what you see and don’t just try to make everything seem like you know what I’m saying take it for face value we see things but I have to tell us God is not
In this Jesus is not in this so I’ma close on that but uh I appreciate y’all for doing this this is awesome hey that sounded like a rap song and I would and I would agree I would agree with what Dr Brewer said earlier in light of just that is that
I do understand that that representation which is real and it is prevalent it is not the representation of all in those in those organizations I think Dr Brewer someone else mentioned that earlier and with that said so I do want to be fair in that regards as far as that but I do
Want to ask a question to everyone that’s still in it because there is a difference a notable difference if you pledge undergrad versus if you play as post you know post Grant and and everybody knows it that’s the truth so with that said the undergrad activities of initiation and pledging and hazing
These are still considered your family that you are joined to is there not only more than a reluctance man that you all see y’all join this family and to be like not only should we identify with that there should be a fight to stop that
And shout out to my sister man this she blesses me we went to Elizabeth City State together I got the Privileges of going to two black college campuses uh 18 and Elizabeth City State and uh serotonin hey sis it’s good seeing you and it’s good running to you not too
Long ago but she also has some experience you know in these as well and one of the things I do want to say is the beauty right quick Ron I want to take a pause because Ron mentioned this earlier and one of the things that we are seeing pastors get courage enough to
Speak about hard things because one of the things that critical dialogue has exemplified tonight is that we’re talking about a hard topic that multiple people disagree about even on the panel but it has not but it has yet to get messy right and here’s one thing about
It we are honoring each other the best we know how and we though we’re not disrespecting one another we may be disrespecting beliefs and practices but the beauty of it all is that critical dialogue tonight is getting us to a place to at least exemplify can we at
Least talk about it and have an open mind because everybody on this panel did I disagree with and disagree with me oh my my thing is to want to extend you as brothers in the faith and not only that I got close friends and family members
I’m no different than anybody else I got real close friends and family members that’s still a part of these organizations and friends that I went to college with that I want to like me but one thing they would tell you they can tell you that I’m not in the game to
Want to willfully disrespect though I’m willing to come against something get this because my heart is I really believe it hurts you and the body of Christ at large and this is why and not only that I can prove biblically that it does violate biblical principle and so
With all that said this is what we’re coming from I want everybody to notice on the sideline and replay this back at least one of the things that you’re getting is that there has been no disrespect around talking about a real hard top and I think everybody tonight
For that so far most definitely definitely again uh um uh we got what 10 minutes left so um uh uh fellas uh anybody else we want you to definitely to go head on and uh interject so all right because again we’re showing Heaven download without the disrespect yeah go ahead Kevin I
Think Brew ahead says Hey Hey Brother crawler that look I knew I knew it was a strength of you that I knew it’s that Viking Blue yeah come on you you don’t like it [Laughter] I want to throw into the air um well we’re sitting there talking
About what the Bible says and we talking about what people’s rituals say in the books that are are together all of these are all of these books uh for interpretation and the problem is we have people who and we all know we have people that interpret things incorrectly
I mean in speaking as a Christian I know goodness everybody up here has talked to a Hebrew Israelite before they take that Bible and they flip it Every Which Way But sideways when they’re talking to you yep now I I sit here and I digress in a lot of things
That are being said because people you know you have your perspectives and you pull from where you pull from the experiences that you’ve experienced and and what it is is driving it and I respect that and I’m and I’m the same way with what I am I’m driven by the
Experiences that I’ve had where it’s taking me in life and where it’s continuing to take me so when we’re sitting there and and I I continue to say that I know absolutely only absolute that we have is God and he’s the one that’s going to Define us he’s gonna be
The one that judges it yeah so as we sit here tonight I am thankful to be part of this and and I and I’m I I will say this that I am glad that it had this discourse and dialogue in this platform because the reality is these paths when
It gets to the point of judgment even Even This married couple that’s up here who’s feeling the exact same way together tonight when they get to that gate we ain’t gonna ask for both of them you’re gonna ask for one at a time but
You got to do it as a person yourself so all right I appreciate these 20 off of that yes sir appreciate it appreciate you Dr bro sure go ahead I didn’t know he was a viking go ahead sir sorry got a quick question um a question on where people go in eternity
A lot of fraternities mostly all of them have something called Omega chapter um and it’s in the ritual it’s in it’s always cited as in you’re gonna go to the Omega chapter where is the Omega chapter who is going to be in the Omega chapter can anybody answer that
That’s a good question definition Omega means in the the chapter the all fraternity said that they go to and all membership goes to once they die where is that mine doesn’t say that those Insurance it doesn’t Other rituals but I know that Delta definitely has what’s called the Omega Omega chapter unfortunately uh during my tenure as a member we did lose uh in line sister uh to a homicide and we performed that ritual at her funeral called the Omega Omega service in which you send this person’s soul
Um which you don’t have any power to actually do um but yes that is an accurate thing that they do have these um finalizations that they have all kinds of rituals and wedding rituals there’s uh spirituals for funerals and there is an Omega Omega chapter a part
Of Delta specifically that I can speak to and I had to repent of and announce that as well women I pledged into the organization when I renounced it it’s to me and it with all due respect it’s too many inconsistencies my my soul belongs to God I never gave I may have
Said a pledge and gave a oath but I I belong to Christ I was paid for with the price and and I don’t belong to any Omega chapter anything no Eternal Covenant with any nothing no and I don’t I don’t take I don’t take and and just to be clear you know
Everybody has their own relationship with God and come to certain realizations in their faith at different points just like with Paul Paul was murdering Christians at one point in his life right and then he came to he came to the revelation God struck him down off the horse so that’s why I say
With Margaret denouncing is not a judgment on anybody it’s a personal relationship and a personal experience that I’ve had with God and when you when I look back and have remember saying Alpha Phi Alpha light of the world when Christ said he’s the light of the world
I tell you I take that serious yeah and there’s certain experiences in life that bring you to different realizations that the word of God is not a game it’s not a joke it’s nothing to be played with and twisted and turned it’s not allegorical it’s literal the word of God
That’s how I look at it amen people can look at it how they want to and we and that’s the thing we know that people will look at it the way they want to because we’re Americans and one of the things that I often preach and
Teach one of the things that we got to essentially get out of us at our core is we don’t understand how deep culture controls us and tells us what’s right and wrong more above the scriptures this is why part of being of the in the world
I’m not being Otherworld is being in the culture but not allowing the culture to dictate what you think is right or wrong because there’s a lot of things in our culture to think oh I’m free to do this that the scripture would say otherwise scripture and Christianity is more in
Sync and the higher up you go and the more mature you get in it you’ll find that there’s a lot more sin and it’s not all over the place like we like to believe we think that we could tell or make our Christianity there is no scripture that supports that there is
Scriptures like second Timothy 2 2 that says the same thing that you’ve heard and witnessed of me this is a man talking this ain’t God this is a man sent from God he says commit thou to the Faithful Men Who are what do the same thing also we see this all throughout the
Bible and I know Americans don’t like to hear this but American Christians if we allow the Holy Spirit to get to us we should be saying am I seeking to do my own thing or am I looking to yield to say the same thing that my other brothers and sisters are saying and
Living so when we look at just biblical principles and do we ever ask ourselves not only what does God want for me individually what does he want for the body at large one of the things that we’ll find is that he wants a same type of thought and judgment
According to the scriptures in all things and so let’s be honest and and I know everybody gonna be like what it ain’t me and that might not be you but here’s one thing we also witnessed with Christians who pledge generally speaking not everybody but isn’t it a shame that you see some
Christians who are shy for Jesus outside of the church walls on their job you will never see them where Jesus you will never see them give no oops sounds for hey we Christians but when they come but it’s amazing how there’s some people who stop being shy
For who they say their brothers sisters now are out in the community and they wearing a paraphernalia and they throwing up the signs and they making calls but when it comes to have you reached somebody for Jesus it don’t take all that let’s not offend nobody because
We don’t want to judge well and so we do know that it’s an obvious Idol for the general populace of those who feel that they could do both just look at how they live and operate their life is that everybody no there are some people who are silent and then they’re more silent
But there are some people who give more credits to the organization and they only get loud when it comes to the greatest who they pledge to not only that they feel and operate in a way that they feel as though and they would claim closer to the brothers who do hazing
And we need if we even stop we can just do a whole show on hazing and be like yeah you know because you’re because whether you like it or not your denomination quote unquote still stands by you yeah yeah now the thing about your denomination in the church if they
Did foolish stuff like hazing you wouldn’t stand by that and you’ll go pick another denomination but we’re not seeing Greek letters transition to other Greek letters because you need to still stand by what your group know what you’re saying so shouldn’t Christianity place the same boldness on into their
People I would love to see you I would say well actually Christ does uh place that boldness on us we smother it yeah cause we don’t want to we because we are people oriented we’re a people-centered and not God Center like I said in the beginning of the show y’all go back and
Watch the very beginning in my crawler talk one of the things I said the moment you sign up to be Christian see there’s a reason why he says deny yourself and then he says what be willing to hate your mother father sister’s brother signify be willing to neglect and and
Make man and come against relationships that’s closest to you for my namesake because here’s what a true Soldier is a true Soldier is willing to disconnect from whoever and whatever for whatever country they are commissioned to go to battle for right and we gotta take a self-assessment to see
Are we there yes sir and we have this person on here uh katasha Singleton uh can you hear us I don’t know if you want to smoke somebody on a 10 right you just bought somebody on a team I don’t know how they even came on I never
Sent them a link unless one of them did I said oh okay okay I mean these people might have somewhere to go but I mean you’re trying to go yeah uh church is haze worse than hey hey Cletus is a one of the funniest comedians in the 757 so hey thank God
For you for definitely uh checking us out you know that’s not true he being funny that ain’t true no they Haze but they don’t Haze words yeah hey is it yeah it is 10 o’clock we want to thank you all so much for for being on one to be respectful of your
Time uh real hey real quick if you all want to see any any last words so yo whoever can start it off go ahead and I have one question and that was who do we want to be known by because at the end of our days when we sandwich for the
Lord he is going to say that he said in his word they’re a minute and say Lord Lord but I did this in your name and I did that in your name but he’s going to say Department from me you work of iniquity I didn’t know you because there
Was a mixture that was profane um because we have players or split our souls between several different deities and him and you cannot do that uh two quick things uh somebody had put in the chat about secrecy Deuteronomy 29 and 29 says the secret things belong to the
Lord secondly our identity should come from Christ not a Greek letter organization and I believe it’s offensive to the Lord when we get into these Greek letter organizations and we develop names Jacob wrestled with the Lord and his name was changed to Israel amen amen all right awesome awesome next
Next person anybody doctor and I just like again say thank you for bringing me on uh I enjoyed it and uh you know the reality is that I know that we all called the golf uh call all guys people to In All Nations under God and another you know uh brother Hardy kept
On speaking about the in the alpha ritual about being that light but it also says to be a beacon to like the people something they may lead me to Jesus so I don’t know where we’re gonna go and we’ll go back and forth for that and I know we at the end but
Uh that’s where I’m at with it um all right all right amen Amen brother Kevin go ahead hey just want to say thank you again for letting me be on thank you for the critical dialogue uh you and Crawley please keep doing what y’all doing it’s making a difference
Thank you five years and five five more amen praise God thank you so much Brother Jay are you still there I guess not and uh all right okay all right but and I’ll and I’ll end up oh yeah go ahead brother I forgot we left
One out good I don’t have much to say um I just think about the scripture that talk about the rich man and when Jesus asked him to give up his wealth was he willing to do it all right are you really willing to give up the thing that you hold Dearest
Will it be exposed that you hold certain things more dear than you hold your relationship with God and I’m not questioning anybody else again my whole preference this evening has been to myself what will I give up that I may hold more dear than God
And not to hold those things not even my child you know would I be like Abraham and be willing to sacrifice my child for my faith in God just in general and this is again this is from my personal life experience I just take it more I take things very
Serious when it comes to God because I’ve seen certain things and it’s not a joke hey and not just for Greek fraternities or sororities but just for anything or something yeah we just happened just to be talking about this tonight yes and and you know what I like in uh what
Doctor left off to if I could put a parallel on it when it talks about because I want to remind everybody what I said in the beginning because a lot of times and people who are not addressing whoever instead of who haven’t researched a little bit because here’s
One thing we all got to realize now we’re living in a world now that nothing is a secret anymore like it used to be so even all these rituals and chants you do know you can look them up online things that have been secret even with
Some of the most secret stuff as far as uh Freemasonry and stuff it ain’t secret no more there’s enough people who have come out and spilled the beans now and the only reason it could be secret you got to change up some things but the
Reason why I’m saying all that is to say remember good intentions doesn’t purify actions why do I say that here’s a good example what come up recently not only do you got these cussing pastors who try to say they trying to be real for Jesus but you you do see uh what
Recently came out uh what’s the black singer Tyrese you know everybody went crazy because he talked about he said Jesus Christ’s name and how we got to come against the devil but the dude still need to get saved but so I look but here’s the thing he probably was
Convinced in his mind that he did a good thing by trying to point people to Jesus but here’s one thing I also want to leave y’all with go meditate on if you study acts 16 verses 16 here’s what you’ll find it’s not enough to say the
Right thing you have to be the right person on the right platform saying the right thing because if you study Acts chapter 16 here’s what you’ll find the lady said the right thing she said these men that have come are of and from the most high god what she said was exactly
Right and she even told the people y’all need to follow them that’s all right what she said was right and what she said was she was trying to get them to do a good thing but guess what happened right after she spoke the scriptures record she got the man of God turned
Right back around and rebuked the devil out of her because she said the right thing but she was the wrong person from the wrong Foundation saying what was factual so it’s not enough to have good intentions it’s not enough to even say biblical facts it is only enough to be
Anointed and guided by the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not going to help you be led by another spiritual force and so let’s keep those things in mind as not only we talk about the night but things going forth I want to say thank
Y’all so much for spending time with us tonight thank you so much for the friends that have come in and comment and have been a part of it and we look forward to the next one I think next week Ron if I’m not mistaken we’re going to be talking about pride month unless
Something else happened before the end but if not don’t hold us to that but y’all watch out for the flyer and if you haven’t joined our page yet first of all you see yeah join our YouTube or our critical dialogue page because we have these dialogues every Tuesday now for
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Definitely love not only your support and just encouragement financially if you would definitely like to so thank you all again so much and honor everybody that has been on tonight and especially my buddy Ron for doing what he’s doing hey they definitely appreciate you calling as always man
That’s my brother and now hey as y’all know we’re not going to agree on everything but it is what it is though you know saying we are brothers in Christ and we’re moving forward going on this almost six years and I want to also think definitely personally Bernard and
Katrina for you know recommending this topic because you all have been what been watching us for a while or so oh yeah we love this we really well thank you wow this is this is this is strong I just want to say thank you so much for
Talking about and most people don’t want to touch on because this is stuff that people want to hear and also Apostle Crowley I got your book and I love it I love it before he’s got wow thank you and Kevin thank y’all so much for the encouragement and definitely and Kevin
Because Kevin before he came on tonight yeah he’s that’s what I was about to say you ought to see him in the car and in the sidelines and so it’s people like if y’all look look at what made the show tonight the only reason why we even
Talking about this topic is from a recommendation from The Jacksons and so because of that I want to encourage you all come up with topics and things that you would like to see discussed or that most church people or pastors don’t want to preach about and we’ll see we’re not
Promising we’re going to talk about everything that’s recommended but we’ll see fit to get around it because what we ultimately want to do is get people to thinking and learn how to have conversation as well as reasoning together to come around to biblical truth so thank you all so much Dr Brewer
I look at you differently since since I’ve realized that white and blue is in your blood but thank you so much and Derek Hardy also got some Viking in him as well you know appreciate you guys as well so thank you all again so much for
Watching and again thank you all so much y’all have a blessed one remember you matter in the kingdom of God so don’t compare yourself for your ministry
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