Sapere Aude 392 – The Hermetic Brothers of Egypt by Dr. David Harrison

Someone is not mute there’s always link to YouTube stream has been shared in the chat room in the in the telegram groups and uh in two three more minutes we’ll start with introduction meanwhile floor is still open David yesterday we had the SRI meeting and I was speaking to Alice who was

Telling us about a book in our library s Library which is a oneoff volume and they reckon it’s worth about a million pounds but they don’t have any more copies of that and you got not notes on it made by Isaac Newton all right and written notes fascinating which which library is that

Then is that the one in Sri Library I think it would be the one that we have not set up at Freemon home Grand Lodge yeah yeah yeah all right amazing yeah fascinating stuff oh there got so much stuff there I don’t know if you ever ever looked at the material in there

That’s because it’s open to public research now yeah um yeah I I did a uh when I was uh re researching this biography on John yaka yeah I I was um uh checking through it for for all the Y material and um so yeah yeah it’s good

What they’ve done yeah and and they put it in a central location which is good so uh you know that’s that’s that’s quite nice um but yeah yeah I mean it’s amazing what’s in these libraries you know and if you want to have a contact Alis Elise more material than in the library

Probably if you if he wants anything else beyond the library yeah yeah yeah there is um I’ll I’ll I’ll tell you the story later you know when we when we start the talk but I met I met a lot of uh um people that that claim to have

Certain things that that had that had fallen off the back of a library you know um oh excuse me a second we’re just about to go live and I think I think my son’s coming in hang on a minute oh dear we’re just about to go live and you

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Welcome to SA number 392 and today we will discuss a new topic an interesting uh thing David has been exploring and that is the Hermetic brother of Egypt that will be delivered by Dr David Harrison in continuation of the series of the public lectures we have the honor to welcome back our

Brother David uh Dr David Harrison who is a UK based crafts historian and has written many bestselling books on the history of the English craft he has contributed articles uh on the subject of very two various magazines uh which deal with the topic of uh the craft around the world

Such as the UK based M Today mq magazine the square and the us-based night Templar magazine files and the Australian based New Dawn magazine Haron has also appeared on TV and radio discussing his work he he can be contacted through the email that I will share later on uh uh and also he

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Email just uh just send me an email or message on WhatsApp and I’ll provide it for you so today we will be discussing hermetic Brothers of Egypt the book that has been recently published another one uh by Dr David and uh I will quickly remind everyone is a public educational neutral

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Unfolded and uh I’ll do my best to read those uh to the speaker to reflect and react on I think that’s it from my side David I’m glad to see you again once again congratulations um on this uh another interesting publication and I know this is part of the bigger project

Uh this is just a smaller part I would say of the bigger project that is uh you are working on you said that you already worked on the the research like three years so it’s it should be an amazing uh um end of the end result of um of your

Journey so please share with us um the project and of course uh the book that you published and the uh order that you research so floor is all yours welcome again to so thank for time you you are always open for the for for our discussions and I it’s amazing thank you

Thanks a lot David yeah always always a pleasure to be here and thanks for the the invite um so right uh basically I’d like to introduce you to uh uh a complete experiment of mine uh the Hermetic Brothers of Egypt uh which is um uh quite quite a little book but um

How it came about was um for the past three years I’ve I’ve been researching a biography on John yaka uh which is now uh with the Publishers been proof r with the designer it’s all in its last stages so so hopefully that that will be out uh

Quite soon so I’ll I’ll be posting about that as soon as I get any any word from Martin at leis Masonic in in regards to its uh publication date um but it was a fantastic journey to to research about John yaka and uh of course uh as you may

Be aware he was a member of what’s been Loosely termed the cult Revival uh of the Victorian period the later Victorian period there were quite a few people involved in it as well uh George inen and and uh Kenneth McKenzie who I’ll be referring to quite a lot in this

Particular talk and um uh they were very very keen on rituals and orders esoteric rituals and orders and um they they formed a society called The Society of eight which was a corresponding Society really um where quite a few um like-minded esoteric Masons joined together wrote to each other swapped

Ideas for orders things like that and um there was many many different orders um just off the top of my head the order of ishmail um uh the ancient some primitive right which was the core of John yak’s activity uh the Sweden borgian right uh the SAT

Bigh um many many many more uh the zoites was was another one um I could I could be here all day just reeling off these these orders that that that they were um uh into really and uh attended and uh some some were corresponding orders as well so so not EX exactly

Orders where you you you’d meet up or or you’d had to meet which which was quite handy because um a lot of these um esoteric figures lived way across the country you know so some lived in London down the West country some lived in the north so um they were quite spread out

For Victorian England really um but uh one one order um grabbed me really um well the title of the order the htic brothers of Egypt uh because I could not find any ritual for it the others seem to have a ritual and uh or at least bits

Of rituals that that still survived and and were reworked on um but this this particular mention uh occurred mainly by Kenneth McKenzie and um K Kenneth McKenzie seemed to be the the main instigator of some of these rituals he he was the main writer and this has been pointed out

Before uh by writers like John Hamill and Bob Gilbert and uh he used to come up with these titles as well these these these really exotic titles and uh the htic brothers of Egypt was one such title that appeared in the Royal Masonic encyclopedia which was published by McKenzie in the

1870s um so as part of the research that I was doing into John yaka and and believe it or not this research went in many many different directions I decided to have an experiment to see if I could put together a ritual uh because obviously Mckenzie was

Was the main instigator of these rituals and John Yak himself uh reshapes a lot of rituals and um I thought well let’s see how easy or how hard it is to actually put together a ritual so um I chose the the the type the htic brothers of Egypt because

Apparently there was no ritual to it there was there was just a brief mention here and there um and then it just kind of vanished from from history and of course it’s not to be confused uh with the uh hermetic Brotherhood of luo which is a completely

Different um order which was a more magical uh a cult order um that was around at the same time and um so I thought well this is quite an innocent order that that I can delve into and uh from from notes left by McKenzie and his references and references by John yaka

And the themes that were intertwining throughout this this um ult Revival period thought well let’s let’s try and put something together so uh this is exactly what happened this is uh something that I did in basically one one one evening and um I thought quite proud of that really and then Zoom

Forward a couple of years I mentioned it to um Masonic writer Robert lass and um he he said oh sounds great put it out you know I love it you know it’s works works really well that you know and that that that could be like um an opener to

To the main project as it as it develops so um without further Ado I shall read the introduction of um the book before the ritual and um this this will act as as like a short paper a short introduction to to what I was doing and some of the

Research as well so this is the Hermetic Brothers of Egypt so during the research and writing of my biography of John yaka the 19th century Freemason occultist and author I investigated some of the orders he was involved in such as the order of ishmail and the sat behind

And came to the conclusion that they were written by Kenneth McKenzie a close friend of yakas and fellow member of the Society of eight this idea however was not new as both John Hamill and Bob gilber Bob Gilbert had also suggested this in their introduction to a new edition of McKenzie’s Royal Masonic

Enyclopedia in in 1987 elec Howard also referred to McKenzie’s prolific ritual writing in his paper Fringe masonry in 18 1970 to 85 which was published in aqc in 1972 And you can indeed find that paper um online from various different sources um and it’s a very rich paper as well

You know that that really gives you a nice background on the ult Revival and what these these Freemasons and cultists were were doing so one particular order mentioned by McKenzie in his aforementioned encyclopedia was the Hermetic Brothers of Egypt of which only the name and his brief description survives the ritual remaining Unwritten

Or if it was ever written long since lost the cyclopedia was originally published in Parts between 1875 and 1877 and the order was described as an occult fraternity which is endured from very ancient times having a hierarchy of officers Secret signs and passwords and A peculiar method of instruction in

Science moral philosophy and religion McKenzie goes on to say the body is never numerous and if we may believe those who are at present time profess to belong to it the Philosopher’s Stone the elexir of Life The Art of invisibility and the power of communication directly with the ultr

Mundane life are parts of the inheritance they possess McKenzie then states that he has only met with three members who cheerfully answered questions though they never remained long in any one country however McKenzie had briefly mentioned the Hermetic order of Egypt a few years earlier in the rosic cretion

Now the rosic Cru was um a journal that published the the papers that were presented in the uh the SRI um so uh this was something that that was another platform for the um ult revivalists and early members of of of the SRI at at the time and this mention was in

1874 and it said that the order had a very exclusive character and that he had met six members so obviously the decline in in the number of members that he had met between the two dates that’s the date where he mentioned it in the raction and then a few years later

In the in the enyclopedia perhaps signifies that his story was still in development and uh basically the this this is what happens with with McKenzie his his ideas get shaped and added to at later dates so um it’s it’s quite obvious that that these ideas are still

In a progression you you know at at the particular time so McKenzie did mention the order again in correspondence to fellow Freemason and ulst FG irn in the same year Inn had just visited haris and had met with elus Levi and had written to McKenzie asking for information on the

Order Mckenzie was evasive saying that Levi could have told him more as he was one of the perceptors so it appears that mcken was purposfully shrouding the order in a veil of mystery perhaps in an attempt to create an attractive esoteric Brotherhood for his fellow occultist to join McKenzie also mentioned the

Brotherhood of luor in an entry in his cyclopedia referring to them as a paternity in America who had a rosicrucian basis and it is clear to see that McKenzie made a distinction between the two orders at this early stage Hep blavatsky in volume two of her popular work Isis unveiled published in

1877 quoted McKenzie’s mention of the Hermetic Brothers of Egypt in relation to the possibility of the existence of preserved Mystery Schools or brotherhoods that supposedly survived and maintained the esoteric doctrine of the ages indeed this idea was explored much later in johnar is magnumopus the Arcane schools and the Arcane schools uh was

John yak’s goto work effectively U which Reveals His his mindset and culminated a lot of the papers that he he wrote throughout his lifetime and this developing theme of there was secret brotherhoods or or secret colleges if you like that existed from thousands of years ago passing on

Secret knowledge and and these filtered into certain secret societies that emerged in the uh the 19th century so it’s quite a common theme with uh the ult revivalists that a lot of these orders um weren’t just written yesterday but they they were belonging to uh more more ancient

Traditions so um that’s basically the mention of the um htic Brothers of Egypt so I I decided to um to to to write a ritual then to to to see how easy or how how how hard it would be because I wanted to delve in into the minds of of

These gentlemen and I wanted to see exactly what they wanted to portray in some of these rituals so while delving into the mindset of ritual writers during the ult Revival I decided to see how easy or how hard it was in writing the ritual and I

Chose thetic Brothers of Egypt as it had a tantalizing name and was left without any existing rich ual thus I present the ritual in these Pages as an experiment the content and theme of the ritual being based on ideas that the Ken had presented I wish to

Keep it short and to the point using themes of transformation longevity and using Egypt as a contextual backdrop to the stories of Moses and the Exodus there are subtle hints of alchemy achieving communion with God and of course Brotherhood McKenzie had emphasized the importance of of Moses as

An esoteric figure in his cyclopedia writing that Moses is supposed to be of importance in the Royal ARS degree and in the 22nd and 25th of the A and the ancient and accepted right McKenzie also refers to Aaron in his cyclopedia mentioning how his name signifies the illuminated and how as the

Elder brother of Moses he was the first high priest of the Hebrew Church McKenzie goes on to say how he died on Mount hore aged 123 a longevity that also occurred with Moses and their mother aon’s Rod also had an entry in McKenzie cyclopedia putting forward how

The symbol was introduced into the Royal Arch because it was one of the three holy things preserved in this Most Holy place of the Tabernacle thus McKenzie recognized the importance of both Moses and Aaron to the Masonic ritual specifically the Royal Arch in itself McKenzie also mentions the Tabernacle as being constructed by

Aholiab and bazali under the direction of Moses which contained the holy of holies and which hous the Ark of the Covenant it was however in his rather enigmatic entry on the burning bush that McKenzie put forward what he termed as an exclusive source for all Masonic instruction describing how important the Burning

Bush was I am that I am informing the true source of masonic light indeed McKenzie explores an Egyptian source of the word in his entry along with another connection to the Royal Arch ceremony indicating how the messenger or the angel of the Lord appeared to Moses at Mount

Hor said by the cabalists to have been Michael is referred to to in the ceremonies of the Royal Arch Masonry and it was on that occasion that the tetr gation was delivered to the Jewish lawgiver probably he been learned in Egyptian law having in his mind the Nook

P or I am that I am of the Egyptians here we have presented an Egyptian influence on the word something that Mckenzie was obviously aware of and something that had been explored by freeth thinkers and biblical writers is at the time and the phrase n p appears in the Egyptian Book of the

Dead and was debated by Scholars even at that particular time though McKenzie’s statement made it clear that he at least recognized the idea so this this is something that’s that that was hotly debated at at the time and um obviously it’s something that um has been taken out of context in

Relation to the uh ipan Book of the Dead um but Mckenzie was completely aware of it and this Egyptian connection um that uh Moses obviously heard this I am that I am from from the burning bush and um had linked it to the phrase in uh the Egyptian Book of the

Dead so the biblical figure of Moses was also a prominent prominent character within John yak’s ancient and primitive right Moses being Central to a number of degrees in the right interestingly Moses is referred to as an adopted son of the daughter of the Pharaoh and thus as

Someone that was a marked for the priesthood a reference that puts his direct contact with God within a deeper spiritual perspective and indeed in the 25th degree of the right Moses is described as being early initiated into to the Egyptian mistress emphasizing that the deity

Should not be portrayed as a man or in animal form and designing the temple in the plan of Egyptian temples thus the right forms a connection between Moses and the Egyptian Mysteries suggesting suggesting that Moses understood their Priestly ways and again we can see how yaker and

Mcken were both deeply interested in the fashionable orientalism of the period with Egypt forming a central part in their ideas and Moses being a central figure so so here we have in in the eyes of yaka McKenzie and indeed um other ult revivalists as well how the Egyptian

Ideas and spiritual ideas were passed on through Moses uh to the Israelites and obviously leading us up to the building of Solomon’s Temple and and and Beyond so so in their mind this Oriental Vision if you like was being projected all the time and and this this is something that

That you find in a lot of their um uh rituals and orders um that that this kind of lost knowledge is is being passed down from Egypt onto um these these other streams that that then flourish and and uh influence Freemasonry and other other brotherhoods and or ERS a lot later

On so just just to round off I have done my best in restructuring what the htic brothers of Egypt may have been like based on the ideas that McKenzie put forward in encyclopedia and based on both yakas and McKenzie’s love for the SRI with their presenting the papers as being an

Important way of conveying esoteric research because in the ritual um and and indeed the overall brother hood that I that I put together uh part of it was to do with presenting papers so and and that probably comes from my um love of of Education Masonic education putting

Forward ideas you know within a within a lodge context and and um conveying all these these different esoteric ideas and different esoteric Streams so I’ve also designed a symbol and duel for the order and the layout of the lodge or the temple and the bylaws and proposed the designated meeting times and I wish for the ritual to be enjoyed as a non-masonic ritual for scholarly purposes and to be seen as

Part of an experiment in my research with McKenzie being aware of the idea of Egyptian influence on the word this connects many of yak’s orders together the Egyptian inspiration and the overall appeal of Orient orientalism being apparent esoteric themes have thus been applied to the cycle that the ritual

Presents and the Pharaoh represents the ego material wealth and lust of power and being far from God and Moses represents the change and the willingness to commune with the Divine being on the pathway to attain esoteric knowledge so basically the the ritual is effectively about the Pharaoh um representing this this

Worldly uh Power and this material wealth and in the ritual he transforms into Moses which is the the more spiritual Essence and thus he can then commune with uh with God and um attain this this spiritual pathway so um there’s also um Mount Horeb which represents an elevated

Position that is closer to God and Egypt represents decadence and physical bondage that we all need to escape from and we all spend time in the wilderness searching for our true pathway before we find our Promised Land excuse me a second I’ll just take a drink

So the order of Elijah is a little addition to this as well because I found there was another order that was mentioned by McKenzie and um this didn’t seem to have a ritual either it it was just one of these throwaway references that that that that he had

And I thought oh well that’s good as well I could maybe add that on you know and uh because because there is a connection there so the order of Elijah is also a McKenzie Centric order that we know little about and I consider this to be a natural

Progression from the htic brothers of Egypt as Elijah was the first to return to mount harb since Moses Elijah is also mentioned in McKenzie encyclopedia and was clearly seen by him as an important esoteric figure from the Old Testament and indeed McKenzie described him as having a reputation as a

Prophet that survived until the time of Jesus also mentioning how Elijah had attained the power of Prophecy and how we Abode by the torrent of kerth which refers to the second degree of masonry and that that was a quote from McKenzie so Mckenzie was th putting forward a masonic connection with

Elijah and that he was a man of God who was a Wilderness dweller so we got parallels there we’ve got parallels with Moses being in the wilderness finding this spiritual pathway trying to attain this the secret knowledge and then communion with God so both orders work together and the

Order of Elijah serves as an in and as a as an inner order for more serious Brethren promoting meditation and searching for Oneness with the Divine so that that was basically my ideas and I put together this this short ritual and uh the reason why why I kept

It short was because I I’m um I do love rituals uh Masonic rituals non-masonic rituals cult rituals um some of them are find too long and um um we’ve probably all been there in the lodge room and and uh you know there’s uh you know the rituals going on

And on and even even though I am into rituals I am not a ritualist I I’m I’m terrible at remembering long chunks of ritual so I thought to myself right I’m going to I’m going to keep this short and sweet uh where where McKenzie and yaka were the opposite actually so this

Is where I kind of deviate from from from their genius really because they they used to write these long long rituals and and long orders I think I think the order of ishmail for example has got about nine degrees or something like that so it’s uh you know quite quite

Long but um yeah I decided to put it together and I did it in one night one one one evening and um thought right you know quite quite a good experiment you know I can I can see how how how they were doing that how they were behind these

Ideas um but they they would swap ideas as well so you know it wasn’t uncommon for McKenzie to contact yaka and yaka to contact Irwin um and um other other occultists as well at the time um Frederick holey for example and and uh Benjamin Cox and they they’ all kind of swap

Ideas and uh this this is how things develop with them really how how some of the rituals developed um but with me obviously I was just doing it on my own it was just a short experiment and then a few years later after i’ done the biography of yaka and submitted that um

I was chatting to Robert lass and he said oh yeah sounds great I love it put it out you know it’ be great uh so that’s that’s exactly what I did so um thank you for listening and um uh as I say this is just a small little

Experiment that I did and it was done to um to make way really for the for the bigger project the biography of yaka which will be coming along soon and uh that in itself is quite a big um a big work nearly 990,000 words so it’s quite

Quite a thick hardback book with plenty of um discussion in there and and uh obviously describes um goes goes through yak’s life uh from beginning to end and Beyond with the um his influence on the many lineages that that surfaced uh the esoteric streams and the orders of

Course that still survive today and uh most of them are are still being being worked today in various esoteric streams so um so thank you very much David thanks for listening we’ll turn it over for discussion and uh take it from there thank you very much all right thank you

So much uh let me first of all enable everyone’s microphone and David you been muted uh in the process so need to uh come back and uh so once again thank you so much for for introduction of to this uh particular ritual and uh the floor is open for questions uh those

Who are on YouTube you can use the chat room uh of the YouTube to share your thoughts David first question uh I understand that uh this part was uh part of the ritual only and uh it doesn’t go into the details of the uh order itself I

Mean uh but still just to give us the more General understanding of I I will have some questions uh regarding the history of the of the order uh what was the fate of the order I mean it existed did it merge with someone did it just disappear because of the lack of

Membership did it transform into something what is the Legacy let’s say what is uh where is this uh today well the uh the yaka orders in general or or or this particular this particular as we are discussing the very particular um activity let’s say the group yeah um

Oh the group uh the occult revivalists yeah um well they they um were around for um oh a good a good few decades they they uh I think I think K Kenneth Mckenzie was was um uh he died quite early he he had a bit of a problem with

Alcohol um and um so he he he passed on quite quite young really he was one of the first ones to to pass on uh Frederick Hawley was was an older member who who passed on as well uh yaka died in 1913 um now now yaka inherited a lot of

Orders and also managed to um uh gain a lot a lot of orders he had a long list of orders uh so when he when he passed on his his main order was the ancient and primitive right and um this was actually uh uh obtained if you like by by uh

Aliser Crowley eventually um he he he was involved with with with the arur in his later years um and he was made um a member of the ancient inran and uh he um gathered them together and GA gathered a few more together as well and um he then passed them on to um

Others in the lineage George Boer was another one and uh eventually uh it’s it’s passed on to uh the people that that manage it today and uh there’s there’s a few splits which which makes things really complicated um but a lot of the orders are still going on today you know uh the

Uh the ancient and primitive right the uh the SAT bigh the the Sweden Borg in right um some others as well all collectively um being managed so can we say that um many of these groups that you mentioned have uh connection to these rituals to this particular because I’ve seen the

Encyclopedia of brothers brotherhoods and Sisterhood and fraternities it’s a huge thick uh volume of uh hundreds if not thousands of the fraternities that have just disappeared they and disappeared you can’t even remember all this exotic names of the orders that have been created by different enthusiasm I suppose and uh it

Was I guess the period when everyone wanted to create something special and uh uh have some uh some sort of the experience maybe so um so taking these practices into account we may say that this particular ritual that has been uh developed uh has somehow been reflected in the groups that you mention

With the borans or the Primitive order uh so they have this right that’s what you that’s where you find the links yeah yeah I mean there’s um um I’ve I’ve chat to most most of the uh let’s say the managers the managers of these orders now um and uh there’s there’s there’s always

You know um contention in regards to various different um and the way they they they kind of shoot off that way or that way or you know um you know there’s there’s all oh you you know you know they shouldn’t have them it’s us that’s the

Real deal or whatever and you get all of that and that that in itself is is fascinating because um uh there’s there’s there’s a lot of Le stuff with this as well you know there’s um there’s there’s there’s a lot of tight tight legal stuff with this you know with

These with these lineages and um it’s it’s it’s fascinating you know I I I just find it fascinating but but the what what they have in common is that they they they all hold John yaker in in high esteem he he is uh the name that’s that’s attached to these to these

Lineages and that is is the utmost importance that that’s the uh the bit of gold you know that that that I was I was after and and um I I was researching you know so all right thank you let’s go to Germany Rolf FL is

Yours and again glad to see you glad to see you too David um David thank you for thank you for this presentation uh I have a question concerning the heritage of um the heritage of um of this right discovered as as we know um in Germany but not only in Germany Egyptian

Freemasonry was extremely popular in the second half of the 18th century um pastro African Builders and golden Ros crucians you name it all tend to have um an form of Egyptian masonry so can that’s right yeah can we draw a line from particular order from the 18th century to that what what you

Described in in yak’s model yeah well um for me it it was the overall attraction of um orientalism and um for for the Ault revivalist like yaka McKenzie irn um these these kind of people and and well many more as well um they they were really attracted to that kind of

Oriental late Victorian I idea that that the the East supplied this sacred knowledge and it was from the East that that you know it got passed into the West so uh like for example with with the ancient and primitive right that that that was you know had a an intense Egyptian flavor

Um the the sh bahai for example was Indian this you know that particular order had had like an Indian flavor um some some of the others um you know again you know that Egyptian those Egyptian ideas and and and that Egyptian flavor was filtering into these orders

And um H hence we get others like the uh you know the Brotherhood of of luo which just had this Egyptian name that uh covered all this ult um this kind of idea that was going on there um for for this particular order that I I came up with you know for the

The title the H hetic Brothers of Egypt I mean it was just the title that that that I found you know so that was there nothing else so that so that allowed me to you you know to do to do that experiment really and to uh uh but again

Yeah you know that that Oriental um idea was was allowed to filter into it you know because that was the predominant interest of the uh ult ult revivalist and indeed if if you read AR yak’s um Arcane schools I mean it’s saturated with um orientalism um W which was a popular

Thing you know the in the Victorian period you know you know you had uh um you know since since Napoleon’s Expedition and and you know all all those ideas and and the interesting archaeology there and um and it and it filtered into the um you know the mind of the time the creative

Mind of the time with with with Adventure novels um you know uh some some written by Freemasons you know um you know it’s fantastic you know um Solomon’s minds and stuff like that and and you know all all all these ideas of um the British Museum and and you know all this

Egyptian um archaeology that they were collecting and um so yeah you know there’s there’s this pre predominant uh Egyptian context there that that runs throughout Mo well most of these orders anyway and and you know uh it’s fascinating that that that that that kind of pushed them onwards and they

Really thought that that this secret knowledge came from Egypt and was passed on you know VI via different sources and and eventually you know it came into the west and and these brotherhoods you know these fraternal brotherhoods held this this secret knowledge that was there to be tapped

Into probably the same in Germany as well you know as as as as you mention I mean I mean you know with Theodore Roose for example and uh you know when when when he got a hold of a lot of uh orders again from yaka you know um there was

There was a Fascination there as well and uh again this swapping of ideas you know so yeah great great great period to look at I think absolutely yeah okay thank you Ral if you have any followup otherwise I’ll move on all right uh before giving the floor to hasu

There are two questions in YouTube and I’ll I’ll have them for for David well first question is um regarding the existence of hermetic order the Golden Dawn currently um and uh and the viewer also mentions there are also the seven hermetic laws so uh what what do we have

To say about Golden Dawn currently the Hermetic order order of Golden Dawn um oh the Golden Dawn well I’m not I’m not an expert on the Golden Dawn um just general uh just well yeah I mean it again it was um something that uh an order that was vitally important at this

Time for the for the occult revivalists um however John yaka was was not a member um and um even though it was um quite big on the occult scene shall we say uh in in the later 19th century and obviously you know it encapsulates a lot of these figures like alist Crowley

Later ran um all right you know the um uh others as well the poet from Ireland who who oh I’ve forgotten his name and I’ll be I’ll be uh nudged for this later on um some someone will have to throw me his name in the comments um but yeah there was umt

Burns who’s that sorry Burns no no bar Scottish yeah he’s uh 18th C late late late 18th century oh what’s his name I always have one of these it’s a senior moment you know it’s a senior moment um it’ll come back to me uh but yeah there was a poet involved um

Uh I mean it was it was a great scene as well more more of a London scene I would think the Golden Dawn Irish poet is Ys that’s him how how how could I forget Ys how how get it thank you calb is there on YouTube so uh you so much yeah

Senior moment but yeah uh so there was there was a lot of these people William Butler eats that’s the one that’s the one yeah I’m embarrassed now but yeah it was a it was a great scene you know really great scene on the ult Revival uh but y yaka what wasn’t

Involved in it at all um and um and obviously the Golden Dawn had had splits as well um so uh you know it it went through those shall we say political phases where uh you know there was fallouts there was splits there was there was all kinds of things going on

Um you know yeah as itens to many many orders and groups oh yeah yeah yeah exactly when personal issues will take over exactly the ego the ego always takes over yeah ego is too big sometimes to to to to to to keep it in one body it

Needs many bodies yeah uh just uh another question from calib um not another question the calib uh question of the calib is coming now and CB my greetings bro uh so are you familiar with the Hermetic Brotherhood of light or something called the Hermetic brother Brotherhood of L luor or LX yeah yeah

That’s right are they related in to your research um they’re separate from from this particular order the TIC Brothers of Egypt uh completely separate because both were mentioned by McKenzie in in his in his Royal Masonic encyclopedia so he mentions um the htic brothers of Egypt and later on mentions the uh the

Brotherhood of of lsaw so so he does make a distinction between the two orders anyway um and this might have been why the htic brothers of of Egypt never really got taken on by him any any further because it was very similar to the um uhic Brotherhood of looka so you know very

Very similar and maybe you know it was just an idea that he put put in your research you in the bigger project let’s say not in this particular book that you publish but in the bigger project you still don’t uh really explore the Hermetic brother lxer yeah I do I do

Discuss it yeah uh because it was discuss it yeah it was an important um order at the time it was um obviously a more Ault order um ra rather than rather than a esoteric order of exploration of knowledge shall we say it was much more of an ult order

Um in in the in the true kind of ult sense you know we mentioned before about About Sex Magic um so it it kind of you know encapsulated that as well so it it was more of a deeper ult order shall we

Say but I do I do mention it I do I do discuss it but obviously the biography on John yaka John yaka wasn’t a member um but it however it does kind of cross over um because he he did know um a few people that that had heard of

It and discussed it in in letters and things like that in private letters and uh okay yeah sure go uh and uh uh last question from cabes have you been able to touch base uh with the grand College of rides in America where y impact and craft rights are housed

Um yeah well I’ve I’ve got the uh the volumes um that um uh had the uh the rights published the ancient and and primitive right um and um but that I I actually worked off the original um book Manual of the ancient and primitive right that that

Yaka published um in the early 1880s so um I I went to the direct source of the the actual ritual of the ancient and primitive right that that yaka had uh printed um so um but yeah it it it was good to compare and I was also given another

Ritual of the ancient and primitive right um which which is very very similar um and and again even before yaka got hold of this it it had its lineage um and um so it came from um Marone down into America over over to America I should say and then back over

To England so um it it was a right that that had been passed around even before y yaka got hold of it and um it’s a fascinating ritual really because it it effectively condenses the um uh the Memphis misin ritual uh which as we know is like 90 odd

Degrees yeah a little degrees into it dep depending on on on what Memphis Miz rign uh you know you you find you know it can range between 95 to 100 degrees you know these days but what what the ancient and primitive right did was basically condense it into 33

Degrees and um this this obviously was um uh quite bad because it it it brought it into conflict with uh the the ancient and accepted right um and so in the later 19th century you you get this kind of jostling you know between the two and and um obviously uh the

Condemnation of the ancient and primitive right as well um but but Yak uh managed it up until his death you know so he he was involved in it from from the 1870s um up until his death in 1913 and um even though he left craft Freemasonry behind uh active craft fre

Masonry in the 1860s he he left his lodge and um went on this esoteric pathway he still maintained a connection with uh regular uh crafy Mason in in in England he was um uh a member of the uh corresponding circle of uh QC Lodge and

He was uh uh a member of um the Manchester Masonic research um society as well so and and he did indeed visit the occasional Lodge and Mark Lodge as well you know so he was was still fairly kind of connected he wasn’t completely severed as as as we probably would do like in

Today’s uh political sphere of Freemason where where it’d be classed as a CL clandestine Mason um yeah yeah yep thank thank you hu I kept you uh waiting so floor is yours the question I think it was a senior moment as David [Laughter] mentioned thank you very much for all

That you know it’s fascinating how Mas is really we only seeing a very tip of the iceberg of masonry when we think that all the rituals we perform are what masonry is all about um what’s interesting to me is that this was the period the Victorian per period was the

Period of the grand Tours and in all sorts of uh uh traveling around the world and bringing back ideas and Concepts it was was like sort of Indiana Jones of the period wasn’t it you come back you write a wonderful story and you know the mysterious East and create this

Rituals that may never exist in the East but you know because the only person had never been around that they would think oh God yes look at this fascinating ritual I think we maybe create a ritual around it you know maybe it might be total hok but know who cares really no

One’s going to go out and check it for facts out but do you think that those sort of ideas in a way were beneficial because they started bringing the Eastern Concepts uh regardless of whether they were totally correct or incorrect or you know the observations were totally wrong do you think that

They contributed to what Mason is today oh yeah yeah definitely yeah um I mean even in the SRI um uh y yakura McKenzie’s name revered you know I mean they they were they were both um uh really active members in the S uh they they they both presented papers um

That that they were both very early members of colleges um promoted the SRI as well so um I’m I’m I’m certain that you know if if it wasn’t for these ult revivalists um you know we we we wouldn’t have uh the SRI As We Know today um so they’re much revered for

That they’re they’re much revered as well for their uh dogged uh persistence in esoteric Freemasonry you know they they they weren’t afraid to explore it you know they they they weren’t slaves to Masonic promotions you know they you know it’s it’s so easy to to to to kind of say

Well you know if if I dabble in this order uh you know I’ll I’ll risk losing a promotion or something or I’ll risk you know H having my name touted around as someone that’s a bit crazy or something you know so they they they they made it possible to to um to

Research esoteric Freemasonry and um you know uh which which is a name that’s thrown around a lot you know esoteric Freemasonry you know all all it means is really to research and to to you know to delve into the true meaning you know what we believe is the true meaning you

Know to to look at symbols to look at elements of the ritual um to explore other orders as well and and indeed there are other orders that that um have have kind of become mainstream uh other orders you know um uh so it’s it’s um it’s it’s a real

Kind of um interesting period but it’s an essential period in my mind um to Modern Freemasonry and um and and indeed you know on on the other end of the scale there’s there’s still these esoteric streams that that still exist are still popular and um they they attract you

Know uh all manner of Freemasons and and U you know that that searching for esoteric uh Pathways and they’re still going they they still celebrate yaka and McKenzie and but but do do you think that the word uh esoteric has replaced the word oal because word o UL tends to have negative

Connotations precisely oh yeah precisely yeah yeah um I mean I I I can remember in one of my very early books um I think it was the transformation of free moary I I I did a chapter on on some of these ult revivalists and and the SRI and the developments of um

The occult Revival and and um that that got a lot of um criticism for that you know where oh yeah you mentioned the occult you’re tying the ult to Freemasonry you know you should have used the word esoteric you know and um so yeah yeah you know it’s it’s it’s

It’s all about choosing the words um correctly and and this this is why the word esoteric has been banded around and and and and it’s so popular and and it’s overused in a way and it’s and it’s um used in in um yeah as as replacement for that really the the

Buzzword of masonry at the moment definitely oh yeah yeah definitely I don’t know much about but have you had anything to do with the Masonic Holy Land league and their work Masonic Holy Land League the Masonic holyland league in Jerusalem um no I’ve not I’ve not I

Would I I would love to know more no it’s just just just came across something and you know it said that but never heard of them never read about them so you might know something no I was I was I was talking to um um a guy that was involved in in

These um these esoteric streams once and uh he he he told me that there are thousands of orders um like literally th thousands of of of these related kind of esoteric orders and uh there’s some that haven’t even got names you know there’s there’s um some very kind of deep uh select

Esoteric orders out there you know and um some some have been going for you know for decades and uh you know longer you know you know we just don’t know there’s not much history on them because uh a lot of them don’t have minute books um they they they don’t have membership

Records they they you know uh there’s so so basically they are the true version of secret society oh yeah yeah yeah very very much so yeah and um you know we we we only have hints as a as a historian that that needs to write something with you know with references

And and uh uh Source documents and youve got to do footnotes and you’ve got to construct all these references um like like for example the my biography on John is probably got about a thousand footnotes you know but when it when it when it comes to talking to someone about these

Esoteric orders and um you know there’s there’s no manye books there’s no no membership books there’s no summonses there’s nothing like this it’s really hard to you know to to kind of gain I think your observation earlier on about rituals is was interesting because being a being a member of Sri the

Rituals are very short in their real of sense they’re not big volumes they’re just very small booklets what you have to do is build on that foundation and uh create your own understanding of uh which the ceremony plus uh the knowledge through which those ceremonies have been

Created yeah yeah yeah that’s right I wanted to keep it short yeah because um I mean I’m a member of the S and I love those rituals because every every grade just gets straight to the point you know there’s no fluff shall we say you know yes there’s no major fluff and

Um you know there’s like for example there’s some beautiful Masonic rituals but some of them are just a little bit long you know and and you sat there and you’re thinking right oh when’s the festing bo when me and I think I think we’ve all we’ve all we’ve all experienced it where it’s

Like oh this is you know go going on a bit now but yeah I thought well I’m I’m not a great ritualist anyway you know I can’t join the join the club so so I thought it’s G to be short and sweet let’s get straight to the point and asly

Say the SR rituals straight to the point you know um there’s some really beautiful uh rituals there and and they are rituals from the occult Revival you know they are I know I know they’ve been changed a bit and altered a bit but effectively you know they are cult

Revival you know well why do you think uh that uh the Victorian period created so much interest uh firstly in that’s of knowledge and also then creating societies which then transferred that knowledge into formalized rituals well with the Victorian period And this is probably the same in other

Countries as well you know we mentioned about Germany before and with with with Ralph and and um France as well of course you know the it’s it’s an age at that P a particular period it’s an age of Discovery it’s it’s an age of um archaeology discovering all these um you

Know uh old ancient um societies you know the Egyptian Society you know the the the Romans the Persians you know it was all kind of developing it was all um filtering through you know with the archaeology with with with the writers there was a lot of um learned

Societies around at the time and I’m I’m from Warrington in the northwest of England and there was a uh a learnard well there was many learnning societies that just popped up in warington uh around the later 19th century and one particular learnard society it catered for um gentlemen that had had been on

These visits to the Far East or whatever you know to um the holy land and and to Egypt and and and they’d come back and they’d write a paper about about their visit you know and um uh I managed to get a couple of volumes from from this

This Society back in 1880 or or whatever it was and uh it was fascinating because they even made sketches you know of kind of journeying through the desert and um this this was this exotic orientalism that was that was filtering through the Victorian mind and and then

Into the you know into the public mind and into the creative mind you know all all these novels that that um that arose you know at the time you know even the Sherlock Holmes series you know T touched on this stuff you know and uh

Conan Doyle you know he he was writing a bit a little bit later on but um it’s it’s fantastic stuff you know and and and I think a lot of people a lot of Freemasons got seduced by this in particular you know going back to John yaka again and McKenzie and they they

They love this you know because this this was this secret knowledge you know that was that was filtering through you know and and um this this fantastic idea of these brotherhoods that that had had carried this knowledge down the line you know for thousands of years um and um

One one thing that that was interesting to me was that I I went over to Kosovo and Albania over the past few years um and um I had the honor to to to visit beachi tis and um Sardi TS and uh helvetti TS and these were uh cultures

That that um still today you know they they have all these symbols and and uh you know that that you can relate to Freemasonry you know the Sun and the Moon and all this kind of stuff and you know the master sits in the East and and um

Um amazing very much like the Drews yeah yeah yeah that’s right that’s right so uh the beachi um were was something that yaka had had had picked up on and and he wrote about that in these Arcane schools and and in other papers as well and um

So it was these little cultures of of of uh brotherhoods and and indeed you know they they are still like brotherhoods they you know they have secret handshakes and things and and initiation ceremonies and and um and I met some of the um the beachi brothers that that

Were actual Freemasons you know and and even they say oh yeah it’s quite similar you know you uh and and this was an idea that yaka had developed and so he he he joined them together you know and and uh um this this obviously was was a massive

Jump in his mind but you know he he he still made it I I I think it’s also a fascination of the Oriental and exotic wasn’t it really because you know you had those you had Societies in this country already existing which in a way were very secretive about what they did

You know you had groups that were very s formed because you followed a certain tradition of certain trade or certain uh you know beliefs but you know they were not necessarily exotic enough but when you add the sort of a uh Oriental exotic element and create a society I think

That was a thing that probably caus more of a stir in the society that time yeah yeah that’s right that’s right yeah I mean it was a seduction really yeah of of of this Oriental idea and and uh yeah I mean you know jaak mentions the stonemasons and and and you know in

England in the how they built these beautiful um Cathedrals and and the sacred geometry that that that that they used and um and then he he’d take a further leap and then go back to the Romans and then and then leap again and and and um obviously you know we know

Different now you know um but in yak’s mind this this was his um his his idea you know and and he wasn’t an academic yaka so he he he had broad range that that he couldn’t you know he had no discipline you know to kind of narrow it

Down and and stay on track and go there and there and you know but it’s fascinating because it reveals this this idea you put all the ingredients in the pot and see what comes out exactly but right thank you we could talk for a lot

Longer but uh the hand up so thank you uh thank you Michael floor is yours thank you David uh Dr Harrison just to distinguish the David’s right um uh question is uh what is your hope I I hear the backdrop of your research I hear your thought process and

Everything that you have embedded into this uh Revival or uh just reconstruction or construction of this ritual I was able to support you work so I did I do have it before I came to this meeting so I went through it I see the structure that you provide and

Everything else uh but I just want to hear from you what is your hope uh with uh creating this um is it a pathway to maybe some uh you know people that may be starting into uh esoterism or occultism and and have those papers and discuss is it a Scholastic uh just feel

Kind of do you want it to become alive I just want to hear that particular mind FR and set from you yeah well it it was um two things really uh well maybe even three things first it was an experiment to see how um how yaka or well indeed McKenzie could

Could put something together um now obviously they they’d spend a lot of time on it more much much more time than me you know and and revise it swap ideas and get get the themes developed and and get the ritual developed um but the other thing was as

Well was was what what you mentioned there was was to bring it to life you know to to see if that could be done and and to just just read it through and and just see how it how it would work you know uh just because one of one of the things

That um the uh ult ult revivalists were trying to do I think was was to conjure up these rituals and and they’d always say that it was an ancient ritual you know oh yeah it’s a very old ritual this it’s very very ancient it’s you know like what McKenzie did with the htic

Brothers of Egypt if I can just read it again there’s a fantastic quote and he obviously telling people you know different things you know um he says um in in the cyclopedia um an ult fraternity which is endured from very ancient times having a hierarchy of officers secret signs and

Passwords um and then a little bit earlier however he said that um the order had a very exclusive character and um he’ met six members where a little later on in the encyclopedia he said that he met three members um you know so this this idea that that

That he had of the order was obviously being kind of worked as he as he wrote you know uh and then then he mentioned it again to win in a in a in a later letter and said oh uh Al lifeus Le is a member you know so he’s he’s like on the

On the Hop all the time kind of creating different ideas like basically preparing the fact that that this might be an order he might launch upon his friends um but it’s an older order you know it’s an Ancient Order mysterious order uh but what what we know now is that these guys

Were were writing them you know and they were then saying they were they were very very old so um um yeah you know it it was um a test to see how easy it would be um and the the last thing I wanted to do obviously

Was was was was kind of you know kind of say oh this is an old order you know this is an ancient order so um I was straight up with it it was it was an just an experiment it was you know for scholarly purposes and and um you know

Uh uh part of me delving into the mindset um of um the ult revivalist really um so uh yeah you know and um I wasn’t I wasn’t going to publish it at all until you know Robert lass who said oh get it out it’s great you know it’s

Uh um it’s it’s part of of your process of research and I think I think people think research is Holy about going to libraries and and digging up you know Source material letters old documents whatever it is um or roaming around graveyards or you know going to

Different places and and uh checking on archaeology for example but a small part of re of of of research is actually delving into the mindset and um with it being a biography I really wanted to get into the mindset of of yaker and McKenzie and and his cohorts really and

Um this this this allowed me to you know to kind of get get into it in a certain way and um to figure out how how they were thinking on on on on certain levels um so yeah you know it’s like a multi-purpose um experiment really you know and um I

Thought well yeah I think some people might might might enjoy this and and it allowed me as well to to you know reveal my my my next book as well which is due to come out and uh um it’s um a nice a nice little ritual I thought you know

And and the transformation element of it um was was very interesting I thought well that’s that’s fantastic you know because you you always hear of this spiritual transformation um you know of say you know it could be anything tarot cards for example you know you see it in Tarot

Cards uh you see it in other other rituals you know of um e even Masonic rituals as well you know um where you get this kind of um Al alchemic spiritual transformation you know and I thought well the Pharaoh really represents the kind of Earthly wealth and this this this power this

Godless power you know he he he thought of himself as a God he thought of himself as um you know he could achieve anything he could gain anything um this this kind of kind of autocratic Rule and then this transformation into Moses um who who was a spiritual um Wilderness dweller who who

Spoke to God you know and um that’s that’s what it’s all about really you know mo Moses did come from this this um Egyptian royal family um Al be adopted you know and um he he had to flee Into the Wilderness and uh that’s that’s where he found his his his true calling

His true soul and in the Bible you know we we the Old Testament we see that yeah um that um Moses was uh was imperfect you know he he committed murder he um he he’d got a stammer as well you know and and um you know he he didn’t

Have much confidence so he was still chosen you know to speak to God so I I I found that fascinating and the the references that that McKenzie made especially about about Moses you know that that was a similar line of thought so I thought right you know let’s let’s let’s Center

The the the the ritual about that you know around that and uh focus on that and keep it short as well so that that was something that I did en enjoy the the brv of it um and it just goes right into uh the lectures and building the portion of initiation and

You can see the transformation and obviously it’s it’s it’s inel towards building a better leader that is balanced ultimately that you know he he could still be flaw but at the same token his wishing for Perfection um so I did enjoy the the the way that it came

All together um so uh congratulations it’s very uh well put together I mean at least from my perspective all right I did enjoy that thank you Michael yeah thank you thank you thank you Michael uh I have two more questions David uh if we still have time I

Think good there uh so first question would be uh well before question it uh before sh asking the question um you shared with me the tracing board oh yeah that’s right yeah yeah when when do you want me to share it yeah when when whenever you like yeah yeah you can um

Okay then I’ll share it and you just uh tell us what it is all about just give me one second and meanwhile uh what is the uh well let me ask the question so uh enough I close the window so uh the ritual that has been uh

Researched and U published by you or now uh what it aims at let’s say every every procedure just to generalize the terms every procedure uh or mechanics or the content that is there that people do men do groups do uh aims at uh kind of traveling from somewhere to somewhere

Would it be uh spiritually would it be intellectually so in this particular case the ritual that has been uh worked out by Yas and uh the it was practiced most probably as well right um among the members of the group so what is the goal for instance Christianity does the

Ritual in the church to in order to whatever prepare you for death and resurrection and give you this uh story to you or there might be different uh things right so in this particular um ritual what what is the goal and result of the ritual right well well the ritual was um

Um when I when I put it together it was obviously based on as we mentioned you know the the themes that that yaka and McKenzie had discussed uh so it was just the loose title and and and these these these ideas so um it was all about

Basically a cycle of life really uh and a cycle of um spiritual existence uh a spiritual journey and um what we mentioned before about uh the Pharaoh kind of transforming into this this uh this Moses figure you know kind of stripping himself of his ego of his of

His Earthly power of His of his um material wealth and becoming this this Wilderness dweller um Moses who who is a flawed human being but he was the one chosen to talk to God you know so it’s about communion with god um what what we sometimes ter as as

Cosmic Consciousness you know and and there’s there’s quite a few um uh Masons you know you know that I know that that that have explored this this this journey and and um achieved uh what we can term as Cosmic Consciousness you know where where where they become one with the Divine either

Through meditation or or some other pathway um so that that that was part of it and and I’d written a paper about this there was there was um uh certain esoteric Masons again we’re using the word esoteric esoteric Masons um in the ult Revival and the early 20th

Century that that had explored this this kind of cosmic Consciousness phenomenon and um uh wilmshurst um WL will uh wilmshurst who was around in the early 20th century um in England the north of England and he was behind the L of Living Stones which which is still going and is an esoteric

Lodge um that um promotes um the esoteric study if you like of of of free Freemasonry and you know they they they have a um uh a cycle where where they promote papers on certain dates certain times of the year uh they you know they they meet

During the equinox and and the um uh the self um and so I wrote I wrote this paper that that appeared in a journal a few years ago so so so so this was on my mind as well at the time and um this was something that the ult revivalists were

Um endeavoring to achieve in a way you know this this kind of becoming one with the Divine it was all about all the orders that that they were involved in uh no matter how complicated or how Oriental or uh how how subjective they they were all uh Journeys to become one with the

Divine and um uh it was interesting because we have this kind of Ault Revival um theme that that runs through a lot of the rituals as well you know uh where the burning bush is important or uh various different prophets from the Old Testament who who did commune with

God became a focus point you know in in the rituals so hence I I kind of um uh adopted that to to form this really you know to yeah uh to um to write this and so I wanted a similar cycle like a spiritual cycle where where there’s this this alchemic

Transformation if you like you know from from the uh material to the to the to the spiritual where where one loses one’s ego to move forward you know along the spiritual path and becomes one with God at the end of it um so there’s this kind of

Training this this out outside of the temple if you like where you know there could be meditation uh there’s this promotion to um to read papers on esoteric study um you know so that that’s that’s all part of it really you know so uh that’s all part of the

Brotherhood and um I thought you know it’s got a modern tinge to it as well which makes makes sense makes sense I will share now uh this tracing board D that you shared with me and if you can elaborate on this what it is right well this yeah just a basic

Tracing board really um and uh I just I just put put this together on on the same evening that that I created the ritual so um obviously we start up in Egypt and uh you know with Moses um and we all know the story of Moses you know

The biblical story of Moses how he was adopted into the Royal uh the Egyptian royal family um he um murders an Egyptian that was beating um an Israelite and uh so he he flees Into the Wilderness so we have the pyramids there to start off with and

Then we come down to the mountains that represent the Wilderness and um here here he finds his his his true esoteric spiritual pathway shall we say and um he uh eventually communes with god with a burning bush and um then we come down to the fact that he

Is told to go back to Egypt to free his people uh we we all know the biblical story and um the uh the Cobra there which which was part of the Egyptian symbolism and and also tying into the fact that um Aaron’s Rod you know was passed down before the Pharaoh and

Turned into a serpent and uh um so it relates to that as well and um in the middle there um I I am that I am I am who I am so um that that was something that um McKenzie discussed as well uh in relation to the Egyptian Book of the

Dead um which was completely taken out of context but at least he was aware of the idea you know that this phrase um was was there and um was used in Like An Egyptian context as well so and and we have the ARA’s idea that that Moses was

Was was trained as an Egyptian priest in the ancient and primitive right so so when we connect connect all that together we you know we have this cycle uh so I thought it’s just a simplistic tracing board that projects this cycle you know so uh and and in most kind of Pathways you

Know be in the tarot cards again or other orders or o other esoteric orders there there’s always this this this this transformational cycle you know this uh initiate that that transforms himself into a better man or uh transforms himself or herself into um uh a better spiritual Seeker shall we say

Uh a truth Seeker so uh I wanted to reflect that but I wanted to keep it simple as well nice and simple and not overly um intellectual or overly academic you know so um as just reflecting that the ritual was was kept short and simple so this tracing board

Will be short and simple as well um but yeah um the only thing was that the um uh it wasn’t printed in color it was printed in black and white so um I am I am I am going to try and get some additions that that that print things in

Color all right loses things I think thank you H your your question a s question is just a comment DAV wouldn’t it be wonderful for us to have a demonstration uh evenings of you know outside Masonic meetings just for you know just to have a bit of a

Enjoyment but also reflect on uh The Wider field of Ming that is never that’s never explored I mean you know what You’ done is you presented it could be done as an open fun evening with the You Know M Masons or whatever you know just in a

Room or a hall or something you it’s part of the education I would think the Masonic education that you know most of the Masons who come in have a very uh fixed or fixated idea that Mason is with the older generation tells them oh it’s a ritual book you don’t need to know

Anything else you know and yet you’re here producing uh your ideas on not going and do this ritual because this is what Mas is about but how M actually develop through these processes yeah yeah I mean that’s that’s been done you know before really you know with with the ult revivalist you

Know they they they promoted that you know that kind of education and and um this this is indeed why some other orders were were invented you know like like like the SR you know you know to explore that that kind of esoteric Avenue and that um intellectual research you know on on on

These perspectives how would you be able to do that in today’s uh Masonic World um it it depends really I mean um hence hence I I I kind of said that this was a non-masonic order and uh that’s why I think the occult revivalists did get away with it because

A lot of their orders would would were classed as non- Masonic yes and and and indeed there weren’t there was not much Masonic about them at all you know a thought that you know that they were orders and they call themselves Brethren and things things like that so so they

Managed to to get get away with it really um the there have been people may that that have uh not been able to get away with it you know in recent times when when the tried things like this there was the um uh I I wrote a paper uh

A few years ago on um an organization called go USA uh the grand Orient of the United States of America yeah um the full history of it all which which was An Occurrence that happened in the early 2000s and um some of those got got into trouble trouble originally by creating an

Order um but but they tied it into Freemasonry unfortunately and and it got got misinterpreted uh by by the hierarchy in in in certain states in the United States and and uh um they they were doing this kind of Lodge of instruction loose lodge of instruction thing in in

One of the Masonic meeting places and uh they they designed this this this ritual and wasn’t a bad ritual really it was a bit overly complicated um and they got into deep trouble for it and some of them got got uh expelled for it you know it’s their

Big mistake was was pouring it in a masonic context and re rehearsing it in a in a in a masonic location um so you know uh but the ult revivalists they managed to um do things by by the booking away you know they they got away with it you know and um a

Lot of me of the members you know were were quite successful Masons you know you know they had promotions in Province and Grand Lodge promotions and thing things like that and uh yet yet still managed to maintain this this um this other kind of um um career of um es esoterica you know

It’s like it’s like that order of the POR you know it was started off as a fun degree but it seems is of gaining uh quite a reputation in some places yeah yeah yeah that’s right that’s right yeah and as as as I mentioned before there

Some some some of these orders you know um uh became you know like legitimate High higher degrees you know or um you you know so um especially ones that are connected to the SRI and and um yeah you know um a few a few others um I

Mean I mean if you look at um I think it’s um Tom Thomas of acon um yeah that that was something that that emerged more more recently from um a collective that were meeting in um black Heath um in in South London and um so you know you get these these these

Little orders that that emerge and um well it’s like Athlon which was rewi is another another example yeah yeah that’s right that’s right and they become um mainstream orders really yeah yeah in in in a way you know so it’s um yeah it works it works yes all right then

I will close this share uh hu you I’m okay no all right okay uh I think uh I’ll ask my final question at least the content wise final question uh and uh we may start and uh wrapping up if no one else there was a big discussion in the

YouTube channel uh so uh it they’re discussing among themselves I said greetings uh I just uh um I just uh mention to everyone that sap a is just a platform open platform educational platform that uh tries to bring together uh members of different traditions and jurisdictions and not

Only it is a public anyone can join us and uh enjoy the uh lecture the topic uh but we’re open to any questions that we could uh react on and reflect on so um anyone anyone is welcome to join us my question David uh this is not the first definitely

Ritual book that you’ve been working on or researching and uh you’ve gone through different uh uh rituals different fraternities orders their history have they developed things how they kind of uh uh closed down everything how they merged how they split so my question is just specifically regarding the rituals do you

See uh do you see any patterns that are always used if you generalize just to if you remove the content what is the structure that is always there beginning what’s in the middle what’s the content what’s the uh what’s at the end do you see any patterns uh because

Uh the people who have you’ve been researching the authors and people who were um the firsthand authors of different rituals different setups developing this and that and for more esoterical ones for they were they were doing the same guys were doing different creating different rituals so if as

You’ve been uh reading through all many of them what are what are the patterns what is the the picture that you would see there purely ritualistically what’s the logic of the ritual that uh from your perspective what you have seen uh well you you can strip it down

To um quite quite a number of um uh points really uh I mean they’re always open to interpretation so so so that’s that’s that’s one point um you know the the kind of spiritual path is is one of them there’s it’s always always seems to have seem like a spiritual

Pathway um which which makes um the initiate there’s always an initiate you know you’ve always got to be initiated into these orders so this is the beginning of the story the beginning of the pathway it’s like opening the door you walk through it and you become a better person generally it’s all about

Spiritual Development becoming a better person and um knowledge gaining knowledge uh to make one better and to make the world better to make the world a better place um if if you look at Freemasonry for example it’s about building a better world um you being the

The Mason um that that can build this world you know or can help to build this world um to build God’s God’s palace on Earth shall we say you know um and it’s all about transformation which is always a key key term in this all about transformation one transforming oneself spiritually

Intellectually uh making oneself uh a better person and to attain spiritual knowledge and in some cases to to become one with a design and that those seems to me more to be the goal of whatever you do kind of end result you get the better men through something my question was more

Uh kind of uh more technical towards the ritual construct itself yeah how it starts How It Ends right if there are General that you definitely have to have opening or creation so yeah that that way so not not every ritual has iation right is this uh for instance if I compare with

The religion you would see the journey through the moon through the world or recounting how Christ came and what the end would be so so is the same patterns there when you see the opening closing in between you see some procedures what what are those procedures if uh if they kind of

Coincide throughout the different rituals yeah well on a technical level I’d say well we just mentioned it there’s always going to be an initiation of of of some sorts there’s always going to be a doorway opening you know and the beginning of that Journey so that’s that’s the beginning Point that’s the

Starting point the doors got to be open you got to be invited in um you’ve you’ve been chosen you’re worthy to enter that doorway so that’s that’s the starting point um you mentioned about a middle the middle is about the transformation Point there’s a there’s a transformation

Point there’s a there’s a point there where you accept that your ego can be cast aside and you can move forward that you you want to embrace this change uh you’ve got to accept um to to change and you’ve got to accept to uh you know to to to gain

Knowledge that you want to study that you want to move forward and the end result is always the fact that you’ve gained that knowledge and you’ve changed you’re a changed person it’s all about change the cycle there’s always a cycle element in there as well so um from from a technical I mean

I’m not a very technical minded person but that is the uh the point really um that that most rituals have you know it’s uh beginning middle end it’s a story as well you know most most rituals um provide a story and so you get different stories whatever the rituals are you

Know so for for for example in Freemasonry you you have the moralistic stories of of um you know Solomon’s Temple I am a Biff that kind of thing um and then people people want more so you know people want more sequels and prequels and and and things like that

And and uh um but again it’s the same as you said then you know like in a technical term it’s it’s the same you know so um you need to be um start a starting point where the door opens you’ve got to be invited again you know

So all over again you got to be invited so the door open why am I why am I asking is that uh there are always people and I just want to get in their shoes when they started doing something like uh like creating a ritual which is which is

Something uh to some groups it’s it might be separate to some groups it’s just the procedure to be part of the fraternity it could be student students or Alumni Association I mean there are so many different kinds of uh Gatherings or or groups right who use different

Kind of rituals to get to become the part or to be uh in the group uh permanently so I um in in our specific group I always wonder what the guy is doing when when he kind of creates the ritual let me do create something new

And he sits down and thinks uh let me play out abramic uh legend or let me play out hamic Legend our so does it start from there or it’s like we need to create the space and no we need to create that opening part uh

We need to close and go home so in between we have to do this and so that’s kind of I’m trying to understand uh the the the the logic when one or more people would sit down and start uh scratching down rituals oh I missed this part what

Jour instead of seven yeah there’s going to be an opening um and then there’s going to be you know a closing at the end obviously you know so um it’s like a ritualistic sequence where you you’ve got to open got to close in in Mason

We’ve got the you know we can call off for example you know so you can temporary kind of call off the work you know and then introduce a speaker or something like that or you know yeah um and uh if if you look at uh the

Oddfellows or the Buffalo or um you know when when they were uh you know were using a ritual there was always an an initiate you know so again it was an opening and then you know the initiate and you know the closing at the end and

So yeah yeah it’s it’s always been this this kind of structure and uh you get that with um the orders that that yaka and McKenzie um had as well you know you know there’s always an opening closing um at the end you know um so yeah yeah

It’s all it’s all based off a off a off a template on you know technical template if you like um it just yeah it’s always interesting how how these things started then we’re researching it back uh words and trying to uh trying to find things in in the written text while

Uh there is a context there is environment there is some cultural environment that these are created in historical I mean cultural in that historical sense so it’s interesting to retrospectively check uh how the persons were creating it I mean the we we are as as as humans you know um uh people of

Ritual you know I mean you you know we we get up in the morning you know we uh we shave a c you know we’re men we we shave sh shave a certain way um you know and and and we have our clothes ready

You know uh or some of us don’t some of us just you know whatever but but we all we all have our individual ways of of doing things we are you know we all have our individual ways of driving for example you know you know that that that

Kind of thing you know and our individual ways of of uh shopping and going down the aisles in a certain way and um so we are Point yeah yeah we are we are creatures of habit and and ritual really you know and um um it’s like uh

You know these rituals are patterns of that and um they they reflect our inner need to to do things perfect and uh you know in our own individual way and um I mean I mean it’s a fascinating question you know the template of a of a of a ritual you know

The closing yeah exactly yeah what’s the template P yeah the opening and closing and and and things like that and and the way that we have to say for example in a masonic lodge you know you know there’s certain questions that we have to ask certain offices you know um you know

Have you have you uh checked the door you know just just just just things like that you know and it’s and that’s that’s that’s all it is you know the root of it is that you know we’re checking the door and making sure that it’s locked and creating order in chaos keeping yeah

Making order out of chaos I love it yeah that’s it precisely um and it’s a nice ordered uh set of of rules and the nice ordered way of uh existing within a you know a context you know a certain context and and um it you know it works and people love it you

Know and that’s why there’s always a need for these you know for these orders and rituals you know and uh sure all right David thank you so much uh let me ask around if still there is anyone who wants to make final comment or question use the opportunity to talk to the

Author of many books uh if anyone on YouTube want to still share any other thoughts the some of the questions are repeated so uh you should go back to the recording and you will enjoy all the answers regarding Golden Dawn uh and uh that’s it I think uh there are still 10

Nine 10 viewers on YouTube so all right if no one has any questions at the moment then uh I’ll start wrapping up the meeting and getting ready for uh for Wednesday all right that’s it I think uh David if you want to leave any final remarks any uh comments regarding your

Book I already shared your email I shared your uh Academia and YouTube channels as well as Twitter and said that if anyone wants to get the signed book of yours they can directly get in touch with you so anything you want to leave for the recording then for the

Viewers of the recording yeah well I just like to um mention the book one one last time um it’s available on Amazon and um uh yeah if you’d like a sign copy just uh by all means get in contact with me via social media just just drop us a

Message um we can sort that out and um um yeah big bigger projects on the way so uh hope hopefully you know that that’ll be um out soon and I’ll be uh talking about that um in the next few months at least so uh but yeah yeah it’s

Been a pleasure to be here again always always a pleasure to do to do this David and uh um you know it’s a great great opportunity to to chat to people and uh so thank you very much yeah it’s been a thank you David uh once

Again uh we enjoyed your books and you restlessly continue your journey your research and you while publishing these uh works whatever you learn we get the privilege to understand and learn you do kind of with your books shortcut uh into the history and uh that’s wonderful and uh once

Again thank you so much for your time today uh for your interesting uh book looking forward to getting it uh in my mailbox soon and uh we’ll be seeing you on Wednesday so everyone who’s been watching this or will be watching it as a recording I will remind that today we

Had to out number 392 uh the topic of the discussion was the Artic Brothers of Egypt delivered by Dr David Harrison uh the author of the book and the ritual part has been published uh while the bigger uh project uh with more details is still on the way

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