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Short um I grew up in Paris and I but I did not grow up in any family with artistic Roots let’s say I was not exposed to music Cinema dance or anything until late teenage years let’s say so I discovered everything a bit like suddenly and then I I was um
Compulsive about my desire to know and to listen to see everything and so I was maybe 19 20 years old and ICI to go out a lot I was growing up in Paris and every night there was many concerts happening so music at first was my my
Main kick my main ritual actually of course I I was not calling it a ritual I didn’t know anything about ceremonies at the time but every night I was going to see concerts many different concerts and a lot of very radical very experimental sometimes very noisy music very physical relationship K mus simp
This in and um I started to make lot of I was making photos at the time ICI to make a lot of films about music I started a project name the takeaway shows of FL logo Tech concer with another friend we had a lot of success
With this it was like 15 16 years ago and we were filming bands rock bands pop bands Indie bands and at the time we were really obsessed with this new uh American scene let’s say aret fire Beirut the national grizzly bear all those different bands were basically at
Some point passing by Paris doing the show and before the show or after the show for some of them we would ask them to go in the street and play music in a very simple very stripped way okay let’s go back to the inac let’s go back to the
Fact that you’re not on stage anymore you’re not higher than us that’s that can we just like commune you know be and celebrate around uh this music in a different way I was just like I had some early Inspirations my goal was really to break down this um the hierarchy basically the
Limits in between the audience and the music and and I was trying to bring the musicians in for for those very simple and Beautiful Life takes and and I got a little bit bored after a while of doing the especially of filming the same music so I started to travel I started
To travel away from Europe away from North America where I was as well a lot and I started to come to South America I went to Southeast Asia and and I was I realized I could do the same film I I could also film music in
The same way but in those other places and in all those other places what I started to connect with was the local so-called traditional music and with it was coming actually a deeper dimension of integration of the music with the history of the people with their way of living together and so on
And then I started to to be obsessed with um the ceremonies around them you know and then I start to get invited to more and more um different forms of rituals Sacred Music Gatherings and so on and I ended up one day especially I remember very well I was in Cairo in
Egypt and um someone took me to a what was a it told me very hidden and kind of like forbidden ritual he took me to aard and aard is a TR very deep TR Exorcist type of ritual very deep healing process and especially made by woman in that case so I arrived
In that place and there was like two women playing music singing really loud in a room and there was another woman on the floor she was in trance and there in that room there was no place for a spectator there was just only participants right
In front of that TR in that little room filled with music filled with energy and something completely uh flipped for me or maybe I just looked back at all my years of researching on music and I realized oh that’s what that’s what I was looking for I was of course looking
For that type of direct relationship with sound which could uh change reality you know I didn’t know I really didn’t know what it was but then I realized ear was a tradition which was still alive where people were still performing using music as a healing tool as this extraordinary secred technique to deal
With forces invisible forces and um from that moment on it made it was very clear for me that this is what I wanted to know about this is what I wanted to document this is what I wanted to really uh put back on the table because I grew
Up in a western Society in know in a French very comfortable sometimes luxurious society which has been completely disconnected from its own spirituality for not that long ago actually it’s very important to say not that long ago and I realized how much such um Gatherings around music such
Ceremonies such trans states were deeply important for the for the social interactions the social group needs such accomplishment on some levels to balance itself to harmonize it’s a very simple thing and and all I could refer to coming from my own European background was the Sunday mass at the church which
Was I mean it it could have it must have been better before right yes cuz I’m like this is not the most exciting place to commune to to be together I mean I still go to churches from time to time to still look for the Divine actually sometimes very rarely to
Be honest in that sense I think the the the protocol the process of of the ritual itself is something which have to be reworked again and again of course and so I started to research all around We made a project in Brazil named the ibos the spirits of Brazil which was the longest project I ever worked on which was a very large Archive of the diversity of music and ceremonies all around Brazil um you can actually see all of the project on the website iOS punto um
It’s very beautiful very crazy project but it it this has been teaching me many things especially I guess living in Brazil the way that people were incorporating spirituality into their everyday life the way that they were allowing them to go from one Temple to another the way that they were basically able to
Bridge different knowledges different traditions and mix them together without any problem was very important um it it clicked something very far very strong for me and that’s it’s it is at this exact moment that my films which were still only on internet or only on internet sometimes in F festivals but
Very rarely I really like the idea as you said to MRA um and open source as you said it’s a they say I’m not the ownership of this okay it’s very very very important thing for me in the sense that um that’s what I um encountered as well through all those psychedelic
Experience as well that we will talk about that the whole idea of ownership was was a joke it was it was a complete like a I would say actually now complete mistake in the in in the race of human race we went a bit too far there and and
So the idea of me uh being um let’s say the word in English is director or the the idea of like owning any any of those was completely wrong I’m not directing anything I’m not honing any of those recordings in that sense were just created as an encounter so all the films
Are under an open source license allowing everybody to use them that’s amazing it’s very simple as well maybe you are a collector more simply I’m I’m collecting very no I’m collecting Beauty all around the world but I really want to make it available as simple as possible because it’s very important
Because what’s what’s at stake is actually the reconnection with the beauty of humankind I do believe to reconnect with Ceremonies for me and what is the ritual in a sense I would say I I saw it uh clearly um at first under the eye that I grew up in I
Grew up myself in a society where music was performed in a venue paintings were on the wall of another venue Cinema was shown in again another place and and you’re like how did we end up separating all those different languages it’s a very simple question actually we don’t think about
It too much but uh all those languages in the ceremonial moment are together they’re dancing together the dance the smell the food yes the sounds it’s all commune for a greater goal right mhm and also that was my my my desire and especially after traveling a lot around
Brazil I developed this idea of the live Cinema that you mentioned so not only my films were suddenly available on internet but I could also perform them not only show films one after the other but as you mentioned quickly perform them remix them live layer them down basically allowing that two different
Images two different sounds recorded in two different spaces spots of the planet at two different times were able to interact and actually make a new meaning G there was something in between which was appearing and I was the first surprise about that I was like this is
Working this is not only working in a sense that it’s working Beyond me I’m not anymore um controlling much there you know and especially you’ve seen me you are mentioning that I then through this um per and so in a way what I’m trying to
Do even though I’m I am at least those are my hands still on the computer and on the little machine to edit um I train to to Let It Go as much as possible of any ideas any um projections you know to I do not project what I’m going to show
Beforehand I do not I do improvise everything and so that’s what um has been taking me again around the world and nowadays I’m I’m traveling solo again I’m documenting the way that people play together perform music but not only rituals I’m also very interested in like experimental music because I do believe
There’s a similar Quest behind especially in the field of U avangard music avangard performances I’m I’m very interested to breach this and this has taking me to Meo where I arrived just like 3 weeks ago and I’ve been traveling already quite a bit making some recordings and I will keep traveling for
The next months and all those recordings I am making I am giving them back to the people I feel of course I make them without really any money involved I really live with very little money and I do um integrate them little by little in my live Cinema performances so let’s say
That a recording for example just happened um just before we started this interview an hour ago we did recording we might talk about it and I know that next time I’m going to perform probably next week in Mexico City I will use that recording inside and it’s going to be again the
Followup the continuation of an of an adventure which have no ending amazing is that clear super clear when I love it Gra for I want to exact this is exactly this thank you so much very well like to find yourself exactly all with all the stuff we’ve been trying since the beginning of
Times to find ourselves this is very much what it’s all about to reconnect with ourselves very much and I do do believe I do come now to that conclusion which is still moving but that’s the main reason is that we’ve we need to explore actually what makes who we are
In this extraordinary reality with live in this super difficult moment that we are passing through in humanity I mean like in the whole world what do you think that is the like the connection between all the different beliefs all the different practices like what is the the core of all these necessities of
Human kind know like what is connecting us in this research or this like I mean at least nowadays we can see what disconnect us very clearly and it’s very interesting to study that to to look at the fact um that in a way the new technologies the digital age that we
Entered has been um has been more of a problem than a solution in the way of’ been we’ve been using it has been creating more and more distances the use of social medias has been pretty much dramatic he been really creating a lot of hatred more than anything else yes
Um it’s very interesting to there’s a there’s a very beautiful and and pretty radical quote by teren McKenna I love teren M me too I always go back to M at some point he said um culture is a trap again culture culture mhm can be a trap yes for the evolution of human
Consciousness and I think I think it’s very I think that makes a lot of sense nowadays we we’re basically being trapped by our um so-called identities and in a sense uh by doing so we’re creating more and more um yeah anger against the others which are not
Looking like us and so on um it’s a very difficult thing to navigate in such a a collapsing Society definitely what I do believe is that what I’ve do have experimented it’s not really a belief you just experience things firstand and then you know hopefully there’s a beautiful um beautiful
Interview at the end of his at the end of his life of car Jung at his own place and um and someone the interviewer asking but Mr Yung do you believe in God and I do I do consider Mr Jung as the greatest Explorer of the Mind ever he
Went so far and he really an extraordinary light see and um and then car Yung so like laughs a little bit he’s like oh well I I I I don’t I don’t believe I know clad and at some point that’s what you want to achieve or to go beyond the the the
Belief to go beyond let’s say the the to go for a direct experience in a sense most of the religious movements as they have been evolving I’ve been cutting ourself from the direct experience there is a mediation right and that mediation is very tricky to navigate because then you
Are in the world of beliefs you trust someone so but I think better than trusting someone trusting yourself is the key right right and trusting yourself through your own experience so going deeper and deeper and deeper it’s not for everybody and I do not believe everybody should take
Psychedelics for example make it clear no it’s not actually it’s a very um complex process and but I’ve been very interested and I’ve been very much part of this rebirth re Reawakening of the spirits through the reconnection with the plants and so on for example and in all those experiences is
Um everywhere I went and the more I was traveling the more I was going to very drastically radically different places the more I could see the same thing happening the same movements the same Joy the same way to move in the space the same way to to commune to to be
Together just a different colors just a different SM M different sounds maybe but not that much of a difference in the end you know I’m always saying in my podcast different airplanes same Destiny yeah that’s a good one and um what you said about Jung well that’s why I why I I love
Psychedelics no because you transform the hippie phrase of Like We Are One we are God yeah yeah you really incarnate that you embody it you embody no you you are you are that idea MH you really confirm that information stop to be a cliche and it’s like ah it’s real no
It’s real so if I’m the owner of this reality if I’m the creator of this game or whatever ish whatever this is no um I’m going to enjoy it for me the Revelation always is to go coming back to enjoy like I you you you decide this character to decide this Human
Experience to enjoy life that’s one thing that we have in common no that we really we are like in ecstasis all the time with life like we are like wow reality is so amazing I love everything like we very enthusiastic people see enas but tell me please tell me three different
Stories of the three most shocking beautiful rituals that you have ever present presence um okay well the most important um ritual I’ve ever had in my life probably was the the very first time I had a deep psychic experience it was in Colombia I took uh and um he went to such
An revelatory thing such animalistic Trends relationship with nature so um that it really changed I was maybe um early 30 something that and it’s really definitely put my life on on another plane it what and I remember it very well that was it was not saying everything was wrong before here’s the
New understanding no it was saying what you understood of life before was just too limited it just expanded reality it expanded Reality by doing so as you also mentioned it made me much more joyful person MH it made me it made me someone who can really um
Just enjoy life in a in a much more simple direct way that was um it was nearby bot it was a very crazy night I uh and it’s still in me it’s still very much in me I never really kept in touch with that Shaman maybe I should visit him again
One day but it got so incredible so intense I think I was ready you know I was cooked I was a again I think Yung used to say that from the his own passions when they were able to really complete the work to really finish their psych analytic move movement in the same
He was saying that they were constellated they were constellated enough to they were ready to be to switch to another so I was constellated enough to for that experience and then um so that basically also like really it was at at this exact time when I start to really research on
The ritual ceremony so it really kicked Al me forward into this desire of like I I really want to explore with my camera as a microscope in a way in all those different communities how do we how do we deal with the Divine how do we deal with invisible which means
Same to me how do we deal together with life this is it goes together and it’s really it’s it’s incredible that we um that I grew up in in a society France which have an exceptional spiritual background many many many up until up until the early the first Decades of the
20 cent Cy that it was much more spiritual land in that sense or it was much more allowed to explore relationship with the spirits and so on but then in the second part of the 20th century um that has been completely reduced drastically and kicked away and
Um and everywhere I went after traveling in my research and so on I realized this was such such a key element the the ceremony such a key element to live together properly in harmony Al obviously you can tell me Well in we still have ceremonies you know football games you know masses on
Sundays for the one to go and and other artistic events actually art has been also art has always been a portal for for spirituality for the invisible but it we consume it so much we basically also frame it so much and I’ve been I’ve been working with many different
Institutions I’ve been working with big museums I worked at the wind m in New York I work in many the barbon in London and so you can see this from inside you see the you see the power the the potentiality that you can have to work
In such boxes let’s say because they are boxes I love the the boxes they look like boxes actually they might be beautiful boxes but they’re boxes yes B for H Monares Carmen San Miguel dende Cancun verac Cruz Salo aenda and most of the time they’re like boxes like in a sense of a square or rectangle okay it’s not a circular box which already would change a bit the energy there but anyway and and then you
Realize how much we’ve got trapped in in separating our languages and and basically disc disconnecting from uh and especially disconnecting from the body and and to reconnect with the with the embodiment disembodiment to me that’s what’s always been the ceremony about as well you know to really get beyond the the
Intellectual approach you you’re not going to know you’re not going to know God just in your thoughts you know you have to experience it deeply in your heart and um and that’s something then I’ve been um from that first aasa experience I’ve been pursuing you are asking me about all
Very uh important experience in my life I no more than your experiences like rituals that you record that you were like whoa this ritual is yeah yeah what I mean is that um every time I record I am part of it so in a sense they all
Become my own little ceremonies as well yes okay uh I was also mentioning this Zar in Egypt it was very important thing for me because after I saw this um it was a same period I think it was just before just after was in Colombia and taking
Aaska um and then on that moment when I saw those ladies doing in that room this healing TR process um I was like I want I want to be in the middle I really want I always wanted to be in the middle I
Mean I grew up very shy I was very I had barely any friends when I was a teenager I was I want but I wanted to be recognized and what did I do to be recognized that as I to express myself what did I find to express myself I find
A tool what kind of tool that tool was a camera but if I used the camera at first because I wanted to be in in the social space I wanted to be someone I wanted to be recognized yes of course look at me a little bit please look at me a little
Bit tiny bit and um and that’s then I pushed it to the level that I realized that in the middle in the rituals I didn’t want to record them from from a fair distance I wanted to be in immersed in the ritual itself so I went to ask those ladies in
Cairo if they could do the ritual on me and then uh next week I showed up with my camera and I I was like I want you to make that ritual the same thing on me and my camera because I want I want my relation the leadership with
This technology to be harmonized to be pacified maybe and so that’s what happened um U they put me in a TR at some point I took the camera and I filmed and it was my first trans film so that was very important thing for me as well and then I traveled and
Travel I traveled and then uh if I can give you another very good example of something something which really uh um I guess it blew my mind and really opened me to another understanding of the ritual I guess it was in Brazil a few places one is named um Florida Montana
One is named or was named Rain of the Soul one other is named frat k um if people want to ask me about that they can just find my contact and I can guide them in case but anyway in those places the spiritual centers what I saw what we experienced
Together was a gathering of a new kind not only Gathering of people together from maybe different social class but especially a gathering of different wisdom of different lineage a gathering which was a load because it was making sense suddenly the ritual was becoming an N piece again all the art was turning
Again into a ceremony as simple as that I I and that that was the reconnection that reconnection I was trying to look for for a long time I understood very clearly that art um artistic experiments pushed to a more experimental more um a deeper um connective tissue
They they always go back to the to the sacred they always go back to the ceremony and then I saw it as my um my mission but like for as a very important thing to explore nowadays how do we reformulate our ceremonies how do we
Recreate space for that how do we re how do we reinvent our temples that’s what I’m excited about now how do we create new forms of temples because we need that than ever yes very much no more boxes in any way different forms of temples yes and I’m very interested in
Architecture for that because I to believe architecture also carry that energy and um so yeah I think it’s um it’s a way to uh to try to um to explore a new form of humankind which is to which is slowly and very difficultly emerging it’s coming and we know it’s
Coming but it’s going to take so much dramas so much tragedy before it appears Vincent if you are talking about this we need to explore how do you live your own spirituality I mean you have been like connecting with so many information I’m sure that you receive so
Many questions through this path no like should I go with these ones or should I go with these ones or maybe I had enough of everyone and I just want to live my own spirituality in my own way mhm tell us personally well personally um I’m always on the road mhm I’m always
Traveling first thing and and I really mean it I’m always actually traveling from a day to another almost you don’t have a house right you like I don’t have a home I only own um two bags now everything I own fits in two bags two
Bags and two bags and a half okay okay but really honestly I don’t have anything else minimalist it’s very important for me to to reach the to reach what I’m to try to do what I’m look trying um you have to reduce reduce reduce reduce and it’s
Very it’s been very exciting for me to reduce like that it really focuses me on the essential um so I I said I mentioned I don’t live with much I don’t I live with little money but that’s I live with enough money to sustain myself every day
And have an okay time very okay time and very joyful time um because people help you as well in a sense I of course I’m in a certain position being French being having a French passport especially I often say this is uh is an amazing uh thing to travel I
Don’t have many TR problems to to travel around and so on and I’m very conscious of that but I use that opportunity as much as possible to explore what my path could be and then um basically I um I my spiritual life because I travel so much cannot
Be linked to um the same group of people Gathering every week all right so I have to adapt myself I was there are many groups of people I meet and I’m like can I can I really stay with you now it’s okay I found my home you know but then
Next and oh I’m feeling I feel very good at home as well here with those guys anyway um so my spirituality is a bit of assemblage um I call it my Cosmic soup in a way you know it’s my own way to deal with is the invisible and I have
Some specific forms of little rituals I do every day but I do most I would say that mostly the the ritual I’m constantly doing is the ritual of um it’s a very important ritual and everybody can do it it’s a very good thing for me to talk about that it’s the the ritual of improvisation yes improvisation improviser um that’s what I came up with after all those years I realized that
What really brings magic to reality improvisation and is the key of everything yeah we’re always doing the same with the same people you cannot have a expanded mind mhm I mean you could but everything is movement see and to improvise in in the life I I have I do
Have a very specific way of to make films which do not need to think much in advance which do not need to write and do not need to let’s say wait for money to make a team so I do most of my recordings by myself or with someone
Who’s going to help me on the spot it’s very simple so that has been allowing me to improvise a lot with reality I improvise I go around I talk to people I’m discovering an incredible musician which open me studio and then ding we make something and then just after that
I bump into someone the street which brings me to this house and then there’s a you know so the fact of improvising of being constantly available this is the idea of availability you know it’s very interesting because we live in a world where now we’re so connected by
Technology and some time we’re never available you know yes um actually I I do quickly I do tell people I’m always available you can reach me anytime I’m always available and that’s a very interesting way to I guess stand in with reality with the movements around being aware and then connects you
To Magical elements all the time and I’ve been how could I say uh it’s my life that I’ve been experimenting with to the point that I notice this more and more but it’s it’s quite obvious actually it’s more and more everywhere all the time magic is is manifesting you
Know very special encounters and and it happens always when I’m not expecting anything so yeah so that’s my U my spiritual life is very much based on this idea of like no no projection it’s very interesting because I make films MH so I do project my images at some point
But I’m trying to not project my mind you said a very beautiful words that is disposition a disposition see and I think that reality is a mirror no if you are in a disposition mode of course reality is bringing you exactly the same no like you are like putting this energy into your
Path and Magic starts to happen yeah exactly you open your arms see and you have no fear but of course it takes a while to have no fear because you grew up in a society which basically makes you fearful we we grew up nowadays in a society which makes us extremely
Fearful it’s it’s problematic it’s fearful and inade quados mhm no like you should not be like this like you should not be so intense so colorful so normalize chill out you know calm down exactly normalize yourself well exactly I don’t want to standardize myself me neither and I’ve been
Realizing this recently I was like actually know like let me I I really want to go back on the road I really want to go back on this like um exploratory mode and and of course I have a lifestyle where people are what this is weird this is strange this is
Like but I’m like this but my only answer to that this is so hard obvious that I have to try I mean if I don’t do it who’s going to do that you know and I’m then pushing people to try can you try something you’ve never done before
Can you try something that nobody has ever done before and see you know of course there’s a feeling of there’s a relationship to danger but again what kind what amount of danger are you putting yourself in I was talking about the fear I think fear is really very
Much the um the limit yes it’s so much with pushed fear in every it’s dramatic in such a short time we’ve been really uh creating so much fear society and I do believe this has been going through images a lot you know mass media images so I feel very
Concerned about that very responsible because I do make many images about reality what kind of images do I make and I’m really saying this actually I think everybody could think about reality in such a world because such a way because everybody’s making images we are all making images and if we do not
Make images we share images we are responsible on those terms you know what are we sharing what is the impact of that thing we’re going to share for example and so I’ve been yes I’ve been making images of Joyful people of humankind exploring different ways to be
Together and um and I’ve been trying to push those images it’s my I mean I’m very very little artist nobody really I’m very few an infinite really very very very small percentage of people on this planet know what I do and it’s completely fine it’s super good like
That you know it’s very good just I’m just me you know I’m just pushing my little thing hey here’s here’s another Maybe here’s another story do you want to listen to it of course and then but just let me tell you something maybe your art is not like in
The middle of the Time Square or like in the biggest concert of history or like recognized by the mama Museum or whatever you are an experience that I could say that is one of the most beautiful shows that I ever present in my life I promise you
It’s not because you are here in front of me or something sweet I’m I really admire your work it’s so profound it’s so beautiful graci so tell us the story no but that’s what I wanted to say that the story is being told actually uh the
Stories are being told all the time when I say I would like to tell another story I’m saying that basically I would like to tell another story regarding the normative story that we live in now and in a sense we I think most of us now hopefully people listening to your
Beautiful podcast are very aware of the uh hisory is just a a fight of for narratives different narrations take over and um I do believe that there was just a little bit more narratives before or more Alternatives nowadays it seem that we are being being stripped down from Alternatives there’s not really any
Alternative to the chaos we live in there’s not really alternative to the behaviors we’re supposed to to to to have and it’s very interesting that we allowed this to happen and I do of course we could talk another time maybe deeper or with anybody if anybody I’m saying this to the microphone very
Simply if anybody have any question it’s very simple I really like that with that but what I wanted to say is that there’s never been any moment in in the history of humankind where there was such possibilities to explore different things different narratives and at the same time I do believe
There’s NE never been at any time in the history of humankind so little alternatives on the table I think it’s our responsibility to to come up with those Alternatives our artistic responsibility Artist as researchers people going into an avanguard form of relationship with Society and proposing something else you know
I’m not saying this is the truth but but there is no truth or there is so many of them you know and I’m just saying this is the path I decide to take hopefully it’s going to inspire people to take their own not to take mine simply it’s you’re not we’re not
Here to build a church another one you know we’re just here to basically explore a very personal path which at the end of the day especially in in the psych in the Psychedelic mind at the end of the day all those personal path they will commute to the universal understanding
To the Universal Soul experience to that unus Mundus that Yung again him was was talking about that origin of reality you know that we all emerge from it’s more important I have been thinking a lot about the Medicine of being uncomfortable mhm because I think that is a the perfect
Signal of the intelligence of ourselves that is asking for something else there is a incomod no like this alarm that starts to ask like move move to something else or be more like align with your proposal start to explore a little bit of your essence like what do you really need and
There is a like so many alarms inside of ourself that starts to beep beep beep beep yes absolutely please pay attention exactly pay attention attention there’s a very good book by the last yeah Island there is a bird it’s a it’s a very interesting Society evolved an
Evolved Society living on an island and there is a bird with um with um cry with Scream always attention attention attention as a good reminder yes of course pay attention keep paying attention everywhere all the time last night we were at MCH together right yes did you pay attention to how much we
Were like compartmented mhm to how much we allowed actually so much security to to enter what a place to to do what to to gather in joy and love and well no I’m sorry I can’t I can’t in such conditions say is where you know and we
And we accept it and we we yes that’s the rules here but I’m like those rules are I mean this is crazy pay attention keep paying attention we’ve been accepting all too much of those things you know and um for some reasons of comfort of security and so on but I
Think we’ve been stripped down our own humankind out of that yeah we have to keep paying attention and with that being uncomfortable because there is so many people that are completely uncomfortable with their lives yeah maybe we need to start to see the necessity of something new yeah MH everyone needs something new
The vibe right now is like ah give me something fresh like I’m so tired of the same system true that’s why there is so many people interested in psychedelics because we want to to connect with something more more pure more authentic more I don’t know which other
Word of course more original to to our own ense but at the same time how do we basically uh H what kind of new experiences are we talking about there are we talking about something which is going to be a beautiful blow and extraordinary moment and then gone are
We talking about something that slowly is going to sustain itself and offer the basis of a new form of living together and I think this is very much also our responsibility all of us you know all of us architects of reality we are all AR really working on this it’s really a
Matter of like how do we develop protocols processes experiences which are going to slowly create actually a new base for a new understanding of reality maybe you know it’s complicated times it’s very very very very dark times we’re going through yes but we have to look at it in the
Eyes but also in these difficult times that we are seeing so much tragedy and so so many like super dark dark situations I really believe that we need to to start to see beauty like to start to to look at the beauty of life like to embody know like the energy that it’s
Holding space for all the other things because if everyone is collapsed MH the world is going to collapse of course and people are collapsing definitely big times and so I think it’s our responsibility it’s my own responsibility for example someone like me a white European D have grw up in a
Pretty okay situation in a absolutely not not privileged background but still it’s my responsibility to not collapse for example and to say okay well here let me explore in such a something like that anybody comes with Meo and I think so yeah I think all of
Us we should try to really um creatively you know dig and dig into this now tell me about the to experience h what do you think that is that I mention um so just we we should say that but basically with I just took the had
The sapito an hour ago right I mean a bit more now just before this interview it was very crazy it was the second time I was having the toad MH uh the first time with you um it was very different very very very different experience from my own from
The first one I had which was uh radically uh wild this was here now much more comfortable very beautiful very peaceful trip uh which confirmed I think for me some clear elements things are very clear you know to me things are extremely clear after this okay I’m very feel I’m feeling very
Aligned um I don’t know if I wanton or even can obviously put words on what is the experience with it just it goes beyond words and I think that’s also the beauty of it I do respect Mystery of Life too much to to try to not explain
Everything all the time um there is a there was a beautiful thing we’re sharing at the end how much such a radical experience especially such a short window in our relationship to time it’s very short window on another dimension um I think it brings us psychon notes especially
People who have been navigating those other realms for a while it brings us to this very reassuring uh um understanding that if you want to have a good uh if you want to enjoy life if you want to be uh very good how could I Say I’m let me just phrase well um I think it’s very important to be conscious of the backstage of reality if you want to have a good time on stage that’s very simple but that’s it and then it takes you take things less seriously you Tak things less dramatically he takes things actually
Much more with a with a really good laugh because actually there is a this idea of the cosmic giggle the cosmic joke which is always present to me in the Psychedelic experience at some point there something which snaps maybe in my ha and it goes
Like come on why are you taking this so seriously and it’s always like oh yeah of course you can laugh you can laugh you can laugh you can love and that’s beautiful that um laugh and love in French it’s they’re very related always very related and I I cannot see Love if I’m
Not thing and I think to bring back a very good joke at the center of reality is is very important now but we have to find um a very good joke it’s not really laughable outside it seems but so it’s a it’s a big responsibility but I think yeah that’s
Um there’s a lot of light um in this um I mean everywhere around us if we know how to look at it we have to tweak maybe our person perceptions of reality again Vent let me tell you something uh when I interview Leo in my podcast at the end I said you should connect with a friend of mine called Vincent Moon and then I found Leo in your show yeah so it was funny but you said something that I love and you said
Shaman what you said like Shaman showan I’ve been exploring the link between Shaman and Shan tell us I’ve just realized that it’s there’s much more than we expect in a sense that the illusion of reality the trick of healing is all part of the same um um conscious game I believe with
Magic and the healing processes have been through in deep ancient Traditions are the playful creative games I’ve been playing on some other side of the planet are very related are very very related actually they are the same one is the conation of the other and vice versa
Mhm by seeing that you know every Shaman is also a shaman it’s also acknowledging the fact that in the healing process there is a part of an artistic trick an artistic beautiful magical thing that unfortunately of course irrational mind will claim I fake but it is not this is
Not this is Way Beyond real F or real exactly it goes in Taps into another layer of reality and that’s what I’ve been very excited to explore in a sense my life Cinema are trying to bridge those practices are trying to bridge this Shaman going in a trend smoking his
Own plant with this guy in or lady in Berlin doing some weird electronic experiments and and going in his own Madness as well but there’s something very beautiful because I think um they’re all trying to succeed their Madness you know way to assume it it’s a very beautiful thing I was
Reading the other day in French it says I don’t even know who said it in French but it find beautiful the ultimate goal of hum is to succeed your your your manness to to succeed with your how crazy you are in mean in a sense like to assume
That that craziness and to really try to implement it again back in real it’s beautiful it’s like exploring your dark side no like exactly looking at looking at your dark side in the eyes in the dark side like yes I love you also you are part of me I’m not going to cover
You exact you you asking me about um my spiritual life my personal spiritual I would say now I realize that my spiritual life is much more balanced because I look at my shadows in the eyes glad and I respect them and I enjoy them I love at them I’m
Not guilty about them anymore and this is really what has been pushing me to another much more fruitful relationship with reality much more complete yeah exactly so yeah the magic the trick all of this together show man sh man love it beautiful trip see thank you for this interview viente
Luna a wonderful adventure with you mer Shows live Cinema if you want to welcome me even at your place we can talk about WR so please do it instaget planet planets yeah this is it yeah I I love this land and it’s very grounded action everywhere every corner What
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