Full nine are informed they’re going to go nuts when he hits this [Applause] Thing yesterday’s price is not today’s price ladies and gentlemen boys and girls welcome to the preferred lines podcast I appreciate you stopping by for a little emergency pod tonight we have some things to talk about and I brought a guest alongside who will be able to hopefully glean some more information
Into what the hell is happening in the world of professional golf right now my name is Joe idoni you can find me on Twitter at T picks like I mentioned this is the preferred lines podcast you can follow along there at preferred lines please if you’re here you enjoy the show
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As well um a PGA Tour broadcaster he’s on PGA Tour radio usually following the final group each and every week Sirius XM PGA host as well at will hasket on Twitter welcome back to Preferred lines on this monotonous nothing to do Thursday will what’s up dude I’m a
Professional Joe most of the time you know that about me um very rar do I make appearances with a drink in hand but you know it’s it’s one of those days where we’re going to have to talk with a beer in hand here oh we’re talking with beer
Let me give me one second go ahead crack one it’s just sort of feels like that day uh I’m here in Indianapolis this is my home base shout out to my Pacers for making it to the championship of the inseason tournament it was actually pure competitive Sports Joy I needed it so
Badly so I’m on I’m actually riding a little bit of a high right now Joe from that because today was just one of those days and what has been a long line of those days in professional golf yeah and here we are so I mean we’ll try and
Unpack it as best we can but it’s uh I mean I don’t know I don’t really who knows at this point in time every every week it’s something different well cheers to you uh I’m glad that you’re enjoying a beverage I will have one as
Well if you’re here with us feel free to join along and let’s talk some golf uh where to start um I’ve got this ridiculous jacket on for my boys and tour I saw John Rob was wearing something uh equally ridic ridiculous tonight but um is in his interviews he
Is extremely candid he is thoughtful he is honest he has a sense of Charisma um he is serious when it’s required but also down to earth and and genuine when it also feels required tonight didn’t feel like that to me it felt very scripted he honestly looked nervous
Which I think for all reasons like if he had logged on to any sort of social media I can understand why but tonight felt different what were your impressions of what we saw about an hour and a half ago with his interview on Fox News yeah I mean I think my attitude was
Kind of mirrored by what Brett Bears was doing the interview you could tell that Brett was getting frustrated by asking him questions that he thought he was going to get a little bit more in-depth answers to and how it just sort of turned into the same old you know bullet
Pointed stock speech that we’ve heard from everybody that has gone which I guess sort of goes to show that those in at the top of Liv and those that are paying for Liv are still very sensitive to making sure that they’re hitting these bulleted points and moving forward
And we’ve obviously had the smoke around this move for a while now and there was even smoke today Joe as you know about why hasn’t it been announced at two why has why are we waiting until six o’clock Eastern time was there literally still negotiations that were going on was it
Just individual or was it something bigger some people say that there is still bigger stuff to come not necessarily from a live standpoint but maybe even in the negotiation spot again none of us have any actual details we’re all in the dark when it comes to it but
We were sort of hoping that if this was going to be the guy that got poached that ended up getting bought and brought over that at least there would be some sort of semblance of a little bit more information about what this means what is this the Domino for or at least tell
Us why now and then that leads into discussion about where Liv’s health is where the PGA Tours negotiation spot is everything like that and like you said you would expect someone who has given us some of the greatest transparency as a know father of young kids like you and
I both are he’s been really really good talking about being a dad about being a husband about all of his vulnerabilities through his life his press conference has become much must listen because we learn from John ROM I didn’t learn a single thing from him tonight all I
Heard was the same bullet points the grow the game BS that is just becoming nauseating at this point in time his love of Team golf like we all love team I love college golf that’s true team golf you want to go watch Team golf go watch college we had the worst example
Of Team golf today in Liv with this bogus trade that’s going on so on the same day we’re already knocking them for how bad the team golf model is Here Comes John ROM saying I’m so excited because they understand team golf it’s like no no like it was there was nothing
That we learned from his statement tonight that made me think oh I Now understand more I understand more of his motivations and it leads me to understand what the pathway forward in men’s professional golf is in 2024 and Beyond yeah where So speaking of his his
Ability to be very candid and open um in the interview process we can go back to the US Open where he made several statements that obviously uh highly contradict where we are at now um almost everyone myself self probably included in media in progolf have made statements
Over the last three years that they’ve contradicted at some point where and when do you feel like this shift started with John ROM like we know where the Finish Line was today but when did this momentum in this become a legitimate viable option for him the money is the
Money is one thing right like nobody turns down half a billion dollars nobody um but where did this like when did it start yeah I think a lot of his US Open comments we also have to put into context for 2022 usop comments so it was
The last time we were seeing this sort of big Exodus of players and his comments at this past Year’s US Open rang a little bit rang a different tone because it was post June 6th so it was post sort of the bombshell that the legislation or not the legislation the
Litigation was dropped between the PF Liv and the PGA Tour and that we were getting into this we’re going to have an agreement by the end of the year and I think as we’ve seen there’s been plenty of players that have come out Tiger Woods being one of them who has said we
Didn’t like not having an idea of what was happening we need to take better ownership of it now I think as of today based off of the statement that came from the PGA Tour player um the player members of the board Tiger Woods tweeted it out himself right around the same
Sort of time that kind of defun this idea that there’s one particular player maybe driving things in the PGA Tour that for the first time really all year you have a lot of PGA Tour players who are making a lot of the decisions that are even at this negotiating table if
You will or dictating to those who are on the negotiating table what they want so I think that June 6th certainly offered anybody who was having second thoughts or at least opened the door to be like okay well I don’t really know who to trust anymore and if and if the
PGA Tour is signing off on it’s okay to maybe partner and take this money then maybe it it’s okay for us to sort of explore where things go from here but then six months later to be maybe even on the doorstep of an agreement and who
Knows if it’s going to happen or who knows if there’s going to be a private Equity agreement with somebody else but to see how involved Tiger has gotten in the last couple of months right it feels like this is kind of late in the shift I don’t think I would have been as
Surprised if we saw somebody really jump quickly you know late summer or after the Open Championship or right after the FedEx Cup playoffs but for it to come right now Joe when you know who knows what’s going to happen in the next two weeks with the December 31st deadline
Looming it was kind of interesting to me and a lot of people out there is it a bargaining chip or is it not and again if it is then nothing about tonight’s announcement makes us think it’s anything bigger than just they roll the biggest bag out to John ROM and John
ROM’s like yeah I’m gonna take that bag I know uh an unbelievable bag that I I don’t fault him for but um a couple of things that you mentioned so one of the things I think I think there has been a somewhat of a disgruntlement from John
ROM that dates back a number of years um there was a year where John ROM and actually Patrick Klay for that matter won Patrick Klay won FedEx Cup player of the year and the very first year of the of the PIP program right yeah John Rah
Had 18 top 10 I believe in 25 starts maybe top 20s but he had unequivocally like the best year Patrick Klay had four wins they were the two best players Rah finished nth in the PIP and Patrick Klay was left out so they got no money they outperformed all of their colleagues yet
They did not get the Christmas bonus and ever since then there has been sort of an outcast feel I feel like around John ROM in some of the way that he’s been fairly or unfairly covered by the media but Liv kind of has this collection of guys between Reed and Bryson and Brooks
It’s almost like the tour that has welcomed in the bad guys and the problem there is I think the PGA Tour really needs bad guys you need good versus bad you need I like this guy versus I don’t like this guy it’s what we enjoy about sports it’s what you enjoy about the
Pacers game tonight is you love the Pacers and you probably hate that other team that they were playing and your rooting interest is so there and I worry that we’re getting to the point where everyone is such good friends and it’s only like the really good guys left and
It feels like a buddy’s Sunday game or YouTube golf or something that is somewhat less competitive because we just don’t have the bad guys in play and I think this goes back further than we even know about John rahen I think like the hypocrisy from the top and you
Mentioned the tiger statement so things have changed rapidly there and I was very interested in what he released like Jimmy Dunn and Ed Hurley from the Masters right originally brought this whole thing together between Jay and arayan and and I wish in in sort of learning more about it that there had
Been like Paparazzi shots of this like London meeting between out the hotel it would have went absolutely bananas like if we would have got those photos but it happened they have seemingly been on the outs now Jay doesn’t necessarily seem to be making any decisions from my perspective anymore because it feels
Like he’s lost the faith and trust of the players the sponsors and the fans now this player committee is sort of in charge which includes tiger and Patrick Klay and Jordan spe and four other players that apparently now have unanimous voting rights over any major decision in which they all must agree
With whoever they merge with and partner with um where do you see all of this sort of shaking out and is the tour in the best shape with the control in the hands of these seven players versus outside investors or the CEO or or or anyone else is it best with the players
I think if all of us are ignorant sports fans we’ve realized how what speed normal businesses work at by watching what has happened in professional golf over the last couple of years right like yeah Liv didn’t have a plan but they had all the money and they buy they they
Spend the money to try and rev something up really quickly and there’s a ton of roll out issue and and it’s a flawed product in many ways but they can continue spending because they have unlimited money to be able to do it meanwhile the PGA Tour are a massive
Organization that kind of has a plan in place or they think at least a plan in place moving forward gets disrupted so significantly that they have to adapt on the Fly and you’re just not able to Pivot you can’t turn that massive ship around on a dime and do a 180 that
Quickly it’s just it’s it’s just too bogged down like massive corporations aren’t going to be able to change everything that they do about business over the course of a couple of months and so what I think we’ve seen in all of this is you know who’s making all of the
Decisions whether they’re being sort of filtered down through the system or not then all of a sudden it’s like well that’s not working well now we have to figure out a new communication structure up and who are the people that are actually involved you know five years
Ago did players really want to have a say on every single thing that was going on in the PGA Tour no because they were happy they were the only show in town and they wanted to focus on what they do and that is play golf for a living and
Then all of a sudden things happen and it’s it’s so sad to me Joe because you and I have talked about this offline I mean what the piff has done in terms of overvaluing golfers and their market value in the World of Sports is so incredible to the point now where every
Player no matter where they are in the hierarchy of men’s professional golf on the PGA tour maybe even the DP World Tour on live everybody feels like they’re not getting their appropriate piece of the pie whether you’re number one in the world 100th in the world or
500th in the world somehow you feel scorned in this in that you either don’t have a voice you aren’t getting compensated fairly enough you’re not getting as much money as the guy on the other side of the street so something has to sort of make it work and so I
Think everybody in a lot of respects has been throwing a lot of darts kind of blindly at things trying to figure things out and so now that the players want to have control over a player run organization now that they have a majority of votes on the board I commend
Them for wanting to take over their own organization at the very tippy top and it’s The Logical choice that tiger be the voice in that room who d drives the tour forward and I’m excited to see maybe what he chooses to implement and how many guys he can kind of inspire in
This next wave of the PGA Tour but these guys are en embarking on things that they never anticipated ever doing you know investing you know investing their time and their Treasures in having highlevel negotiations or sales pitches or creating completely new entities and looking at a completely different way
That money is from a nonprofit to a for-profit all of these things working with tournaments working with constituents it’s a massive undertaking and so big you just you can’t like all of a sudden I mean I’m not here to to say do I like the schedule next year or
Not or what it happens to be but it’s amazing to me to think about what we thought the PGA Tour was going to look like in 2022 versus what we now think it’s going to be in 2024 it’s amazing to me that they’ve they’ve been able to
Pivot as quickly as they had whether you like the decisions or not the fact that they have changed so rapidly to just try and survive this insurmountable wall of money that J Monahan has talked about I I think it’s kind of amazing that we even are at a new sort of place now
Whether it works or not is another question but now you’ve got players that are making the ultimate decisions and that’s something that wasn’t happening a couple of years ago and so that takes they got to learn the business of it too which is wild to think about they’re now
Businessmen as much as they are professional golfers and frankly like I don’t think Tiger Woods wants this I think he feels the need to but Tiger Woods is focused on trying to M get another PGA Tour win he’s also considering in five years from now let
Me relax on what I’ve done in my career let me go join the champions tour let me be a father and be a caty for my son um and and try to achieve his dreams with him I don’t want to sit in these negotiation meetings with Acorn
Financial Group and the piff fund but the reality is is $550 million which they just paid for John ROM is less than 0.1% of the piff’s total available assets less than 0.1% how do you have any place that can possibly compete with that and the PGA
Tour is almost at their no chance Mercy to form a deal with them because whether it’s Acorn Media or black rock or whatever one of these groups that is going to have to put an in inite amount of money into not only achieving the purses that are now required and have
Been promised to the players on the PGA tour finding some sort of media deal hoping that the numbers don’t drop off there nothing is going to be as good for the players on the PGA tour frankly as a merger with the PF and that is a very
Vulnerable position for the tour to be in yeah it’s really tough and Jordan SM kind of you know tipped the hand a little bit in his press conference in the Bahamas about it just saying that there are non-negotiables on behalf of those players who believe in the tours
Model or maybe believe in the funding model maybe believe in the tournament model I believe in the tournament model in an old worldview the new worldview when all of a sudden players are suddenly worth nine figures it doesn’t make sense in the new world viiew which
Is really sad for a lot of really really great tournaments I mean you and I have spent some time at what is it now the the classic at the Palm Beaches as we still title sponsor for the old Honda and it’s like it’s one of the coolest
Hangs of the year it’s a great golf sort of area they’re raising good money for local charities and they do a really good job with that tournament even regardless of how the field has shifted over the last six or seven years and now you you’ve got to find a completely
Different way to work with this tournament to say okay we’ve got to increase your purse because we’re trying to compete against this insurmountable Force that’s coming in here it’s probably going to cost charitable dollars it’s probably going to shrink staff or or you’re gonna have to squeeze
Sponsors or however we’re going to do this it’s going to be the eventually that buck rolls downhill somehow to the consumer when you’re trying to turn a profit on this one and I just it’s just it’s ludicrous to me how much it has shifted the economics of a sport that we
Love I love the niche audience that golf has I know that we can attract a few more viewers but it’s not going to be the NFL it’s not even going to be the NBA like golf is just trying to compete against another a number of other sports
And now we’re sort of splintered in this place I don’t really know and this ROM contract today I think I even texted do about it I mean let’s take the low end of it let’s say it’s $300 million and it’s spread out over five or six years because everybody’s saying it’s longer
Than a three-year commitment on this one so let’s go let’s double it let’s say it’s 300 million over six years there are that would make him only the 14th athlete in the United States that’s got a contract of 300 million or more 12 of them are baseball players the other one
Is Patrick Mahomes and all of them have contracts that are nine years or longer like think about that for a second he’s the highest paid athlete in North America right now as a based off of what we heard from it like that doesn’t make any sense like’s it doesn’t make any
Sense whatsoever and that’s what the PGA Tour is having to try and compete against and it’s impossible so do the best you can and hope that Tiger’s voice is the one that can at least you know sort of sway the biggest opinion and influence to find a way towards a
Solution that at least keeps things going really strongly yeah absolutely I mean the the baseball players are playing what 150 160 days a year Patrick Mahomes is the best player in the most popular sport in America and John Rah is going to likely outpace all of them by
Playing 14 tournaments a year plus the four majors plus what he earns in those tournaments he is unequivocally and I’m a huge Brooks guy he is the best player on the Liv tour if he doesn’t win two Liv tournaments that’s another 10 million at bare minimum I would be
Shocked if he doesn’t win those and he’s going to likely compete in every major championship um it’s just you know you mentioned like things like the Honda and I wor worry about the sponsor aspect because last year when they did when they created this elevated event Series
Right the PGA Tour dipped into these reserves and these controversial reserves that that Phil talked about that weren’t there but all of a sudden come on Phil they were there when they were always there but they’re not 700 million like Phil is so full of BS like
Yes there were reserves was was the company operating very conservatively fiscally yeah but guess what it kept the sport afloat and brought it back early during pandemic right and they spent like 60 or 70 million dollars of those reserves to keep tournaments sort of going so yeah and but you know what how
Far did they get into it Joe last year before they realized holy crap we’re gonna run out of money quickly that’s what brought the deal to the table I think and I worry that sponsors aren’t going to when they say we want to take the purse from 8 million
To 20 million well it’s one thing last year when they’re covering the additional 12 million in the purse this year they’re asking sponsor to step up and cover that because they’re out of money so you’re going to you lose Honda the longest running sponsor on the tour you lose Dell I felt
Like in statements made early on that very much demonized this as the Saudi League by J Monahan and and talking about the Saudi money and didn’t ever refer to it as live it was the Saudi league right I felt like he alienated his two biggest sponsors of his Premier
Flagship events which one is Morgan Stanley who sponsors the premier sponsor of The Players Championship they were the first investment firm to embrace Saudi Arabia the other is Coca-Cola who sponsors the Tour Championship who does all of their bottling in Saudi Arabia so when he’s talking about Saudi money and
Demonizing players for taking it he’s also inadvertently taking shots at his biggest sponsors and they’re starting to leave and I just worry with tournaments like the classic of the Palm Beaches how they were able to someone is going to Buck up for 14 $1 million when they’re
Not guaranteed the field anymore it just puts me in a situation of I don’t see how this ends necessarily in a good way but I am encouraged that the players will be somewhat in charge of the decision-making circling around it yeah I the sad thing is is we’re here and
It’s always a disruption to the news cycle we haven’t even gotten to January I get on a plane here in three weeks and fly to Hawaii for two weeks to do the first two events of the season on PJ tour radio and I’m so excited exed and I
Was so bullish on 2024 because I actually I think that the tour learned a lot from this past year listening to some of the players saying look I don’t want to be told that I have to play in these events now the money and the FedEx
Cup points are going to be so extreme that to not play in it you better be a top player that just expects to be really good but I thought it actually offered a great opportunity to those middle events to the events that are no longer going to be signature to where if
It’s spe and he wants to be loyal to all of his Texas events he can play it’s now what the CJ cup Byron Nelson he can play the Valero Texas open he can play these events and one or two players one or two Marquee players are enough to keep
Sponsors happy to keep the people coming to these tournaments because the reason why John rahen is such a big deal moving today is he’s one of let’s be honest you know a handful of players that really move the ticket buying needle the eyeball on the TV all that sort of stuff
To do the ratings and everything and so I was really bullish because I thought we were going to see some freedom in this we were going to see a natural sort of flow um you know I think for all of us who are degenerates and love the game
I thought this the FedEx Cup fall kind of delivered in a lot of the storylines that are away from star power and so we’re going to have these sort of Windows coming up in 2024 where you’re going to have the Eric Cole story for two three weeks and then he’s going to
Play his way into Signature Events you’re gonna be able to watch that sort of happen and flow through the season and we haven’t even gotten there yet so a season I was really excited to see kind of how it changed the f involvement how it changed the marketing
Of players I know there’s still a lot to be ironed out about what those you know Point structures are going to look like and and how these fields are going to sort of come together in some of these tournaments because they’re still sort of working this thing out down to the
Final wire but to your larger point this for-profit entity that was sort of announced like how does that money trickle through the whole process like where where is where is the the revenue that is deemed from the for-profit side how does that help keep these other tournaments sort of going and what’s the
Discrepancy between the two of them that’s the major thing because I think just in a vacuum compared to 2023 schedule I thought 2024 schedule was going to be stronger from an entertainment I still believe it’s going to be a stronger entertainment product in terms of the types of fields and how
We talk and flow through the season but the broader picture obviously is is is that financially sustainable and that a lot of it has to do with what we probably find out in the next couple of weeks in terms of who comes to the table to be a partner with the tour that’s
Right and and part of that I think and I’ve done a lot of thinking recently about Jay Maham right I think if this were happening in any other sport the first face that we would see on Sports Center and everywhere if this was happening in the NBA it would be
Adam Silver right it would be Roger Goodell we haven’t really seen him and I wonder if he’s getting pushed out and I’ve been highly critical of a lot of things with Jay but I think that he has made I’m going to give him some credit here bringing golf back when he did was
Risky and it worked number two the more that I thought about his decision and the the press conference with arayah next to him that was so cringeworthy and felt like him being a total hypocrite I wonder there if we look back on it in 10 years and say man this
Guy sacrificed every he fell on the absolute his own sword of his own own making but he was willing to destroy his own reputation for the betterment of the PGA Tour because he realized that he was going to get crushed for this right everyone was going to rip him for this
But it was the only path to potentially save the PGA Tour how do you think that he he makes it out of this okay and how will we remember his time as commissioner maybe 10 years from now yeah I would say a majority of people will view it will remember it negatively
Because of this year but I have the utmost of respect and empathy I think for Jay because of the impossibility of his situation like I just can we are there missteps sure and I’m sure he’d be the first to tell you like I could have done this a little bit differently we
Could have rolled the announcement out here but you know at his core he’s a tournament director he’s a guy that knows what it takes to work with the biggest businesses and the biggest sponsors out there to try and get support and he recognized I think very early that the financial future was in
Jeopardy and there had to be something done and so yeah roll out all those things can be questioned but I don’t think at any point in time he’s like well how am I gonna save myself in this I think it was like I’ve got it if I’m
Say if I’m a going back to being a tournament director what am I gonna do to save my date what am I gonna do to save my tournament what am I gonna do to save my sponsor what am I’m gonna do to keep the lights on what am I going to do
Like and if this is what I have to do to keep the lights on then I’m going to do it and sort of damn the con consquences um and the health stuff was real you know okay I think it’s important if we’re going to give a lot of athletes
The benefit of the doubt and many of them especially this year in professional golf have talked about their struggles with mental health I think it’s important to at least address that fact that the man like worked up to an agreement to at least try and keep
His company alive in the long term 5 10 years down the road and in doing so sacrificed his own well-being in order to do that so um I I do I have a great deal of empathy for the man and I think you’re right I’m on that one I think I
Don’t think he cares if he’s the one that has to fall on that sword but I don’t really know if he or anybody anticipated I mean we were all shocked obviously when the announcement came out and I think it was more the Optics of going back to what you said and it’s
Very similar to us using John ROM’s words from 18 months ago today to say well what are you doing right now it’s very easy to use Jay’s words from the very beginning then fast forwarding to June 6th and saying who wait a second here and when all we’re doing is we’re
We’re second guessing these individuals Ram Monahan whoever it is by sound bites that are separated by a significant chunk of time and a in a significant change in circumstances it’s not necessarily fair to that individual because we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes and so again it’s hard
To really fault in individuals in this whole process I won’t fault any individual that moves from the PGA Tour to live for money that’s their own choice you do you live your own sort of life and they’re viewing it as a sort of a a stronger life or a stronger move
Moving forward if J Monahan thought it was the best move to make for the survival of the company that he was tasked with running and that’s what he went and did and it may cost him his job down the line but you know what he did
What he thought was best in that moment and I really don’t know Joe like I’ve never heard someone give me a better example you know of I’ve heard plenty of reasons of how the announcement could have been better and I’m okay with that you can give me all the public relations
Chatter I’m here to listen to all of that but I’ve never heard someone say oh yeah you know they should have immediately gone to Black Rock or Fenway and gotten the money like no you were like you had to get the lawsuits to end too like if the lawsuits didn’t end you
Were in trouble infinitely in the Future No Matter whose capital money you were bringing in to be able to do this so bleeding 100 Grand a day in lawyers I’ve never heard like the best solution of oh well they should have just done this because standing Pat wouldn’t have
Worked either yeah and one of you one of the things I think that’s interesting that you mentioned there is like you don’t you don’t blame or fault any players from jumping from the PGA toward a live I’ve noticed this shift in the players as well particularly with
This John ROM two years ago when DJ and Brooks and Bryson left you heard none of this today Jason day came out and was like I’d take the money too Justin Rose said I can’t fault him for anything Rory came out and said we’re going to find
Basically a path he will be on the rder cup team like we’re going to essentially rewrite the rules with the Europe and tour to make sure he’s a part of the rder Cup team and was very much it was a different tone from Rory than it was a
Year ago and so everyone has kind of adapted this but the road going to live to even a year ago seemed treacherous it was filled with potholes it was filled with people taking shots at you from all directions that doesn’t necessarily seem the case anymore
Um where does this leave the PJ tort and do you expect more players to kind of witness this and potentially take the jump over because frankly I don’t think they’re going to stop spending money particularly if they merge with someone other than the piff fund and they go
With a Fenway or a black rock what’s to stop them from throwing a half a billion dollars at Hideki Matsuyama what’s to stop them from going after Xander shaay who’s a fellow Callaway guy and and you know is is close John ROM or Tony fow who plays with John Rah and throwing a
Ton of money at the wall and just poaching players left and right from a company that they’re supposed to be in active talks to merge with it’s it’s just a a crazy situation I do love how the Department of Justice said that they couldn’t have an anti-p poaching clause
In their agreement and so now here we are because the government said you can’t you can’t have that Clause because it’s non-competitive and and now we’ve arrived at this so thanks to that wonderful Congressional panel who uh who said it they were great that was awesome um now I
Think I I think the players have realized this is just kind of the reality of existence I think the only fear I would have from the who’s moving and who’s going on next is and this would counter this would contradict what Liv has said they want to be like Liv
Has said like we are a small field we are going to be capped at this we want to have these shotgun starts when we’re not having a and b groups either in these shotgun start so it really kind of limits the number of guys that you’re
Going to have on the golf course at one point in time obviously John ROM going with all the reports is going to be another team added and maybe there’s another team still to come if you find enough bodies that want to go but the thing that’s really interesting to me
When I look at it now Joe is I miss a lot of the guys that are on Liv that I used to you know watch and call golf shots of I I miss talking to them and miss talking about them but at no point in time last year outside of you know
Maybe a Brooks kep moment or a Dustin Johnson shot here there Bryson maybe is someone who would be different in a tournament did I go to a tournament and be like oh wow like this tournament’s lacking golfers like this tournament is really lacking professional strength and
For every guy that leaves then we end up with a ludvig obar type of season who comes in and is about ready to be on the short list of major winners next year we had the year of Victor havland and so until Liv wants to go to 30 teams of
Five and have a 150 man roster and pay all those guys to come over we’re it’s like we have two columns now we have great players here and great players here and we just sort of suffer trying to figure out how to watch all of them
Except for four times a year when most of them are playing in major championships together and so I think the players just understand that if they if they’re gonna go They’re gonna go and I also wonder yeah you you had to back the truck up to pay John ROM to make
That leap but he’s also probably worth it in the eyes I’m saying that not saying he’s worth it that type of of money but for an endless pile of money it’s probably worth it to live to just or to the piff to just say okay yeah we’ll throw 500 million at this one
Because this is a massive chip for us to go and get and I don’t really know if the bag is going to be that big for anybody else outside of the the ones we know are going to turn it down the shefflers Rory’s Jordan speets of the
World who are you know probably lock step with tiger you know all the way Ry and dies on the PGA tour so you know unless one of those guys wants to go for it I don’t really know if it’s worth it for them at this point in time until we
Unless we get to December 31st and the whole thing blows up and we realize we’re back at War again and if that happens then who really knows what that could mean for both sides moving forward but I think we arrived at June 6 not just because of the
Litigation again I don’t think the piff is in business fully to just lose money so at some point in time they have to realize that there needs to be some sort of cohesiveness here or else again we talked about the Pacers earlier I’m from Central Indiana Open Wheel racing is a
Religion here and when I was what I was 15 years old Open Wheel racing split and cart and the IRL at the time what now Indie Car reunited again went in two separate directions and it’s not too dissimilar to what we’re seeing in golf there wasn’t a giant pot of gold that
Was being paid to poach drivers away but two like very different philosophical ideas of how the sport should be how the sport should adapt and how it should move forward and they weren’t strong enough as a sport to be able to take two audiences and then bring them all back
Together and they lost a huge footprint of that business and they’ve never recovered even after they unified and so if golf doesn’t find a way to unify quickly then we are going the way of tennis where four tournaments a year really really matter and then everybody kind of scatters and there aren’t local
Tournaments that really generate the buzz especially in a rating standpoint or a sponsorship standpoint the way that several non major tournaments do right now in men’s professional golf but if we don’t come back together very quickly that could certainly change absolutely yeah it’s incredible Insight if you guys
Are here and you have any questions uh feel free to drop them in the chat make sure you subscribe to the preferred lines YouTube channel as well but you know Liv’s card that they have to play is always like you mentioned this endless pit of money um the card that
The PGA Tour has is kind of the The Joker right and it’s that you’re not going to get o grr points and Jay mahan’s on the board of the owgr Keith P’s on the board of the owgr they’re the ones essentially in the room reviewing the Liv application for this one of the
Interesting and maybe overlooked elements of the John ROM press conference was um he has always been very critical of that live format and they asked him about that and he said well I know he didn’t really you know say anything spectacular but he basically kind of you know side eyed and
Said I know that the captains have a say in this and they are very much willing to listen to their captains on this um if they’re able to change the format do you think this tournament or I’m sorry this organization or this league deserves official World Golf Ranking
Points yes if the pathway to playing is better and I understand that the PGA Tour is starting to sort of strip away a lot of the bits and pieces of it that make it the the best competitive product with more you know limited Fields with more events that don’t have Cuts with
Sort of a secondary tier but you’re also you’re giving out 50 cards a year in a variety of different ways that you can make it to that tour I mean you can play the DP World Tour make the PGA Tour you can play yeah corn fairy tour you now
Can go right back to Q school for right while Liv has helped with the Liv golf promotions and so they’re going to be three spots that are going there that’s that’s one tiny little sort of segment forward but you know you have guys right now that are contractually unable to
Lose their status on live you could play the worst possible season I understand that there’s exemptions two or three year exemptions on the PGA tour but there are also sort of standards that separate being a developmental tour and being a full-fledged professional tour PJ tour Champions doesn’t get World Golf
Ranking points that’s our 54 whole events with no cuts and a q school that brings in Five Guys they’re playing Q school right now for PJ tour Champions and all my buddies who are 50 and older who I’ve been analysts with you know are just looking forward to playing some
Happy Golf and it’s they don’t consider it exhibition it’s definitely competition they’re playing for money but none of them I know of are really complaining that they’re not getting World Golf Ranking points obviously different stage of their careers but it’s a whole lot similar on PGA Tour
Champions to the format that Liv is playing 54 holes no cut and a very very limited Pathway to churn out people each and every year so almost every other tour in the world is adhering to that sort of model whether it be from a significant amount of churn the cuts
Each and every week to sort of determine where guys fall and and not rewarding bad play and the ones that don’t are considered developmental tours and those tours their points are so minuscule to begin with it’s not even really worth sort of debating live wants to be
Considered like the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour and they are so fundamentally different in their playing styles that it doesn’t make sense to give them full World Golf Ranking points now having said all of that should those players be earning points yes like should we figure
Out a system whereby every every week of the 48 guys in the field or maybe it now goes to 52 or 56 or whatever it’s going to be that the top 20 find a way to earn points that there’s some I mean come on
We got AI now just tell AI to build some sort of Equitable formula to where those guys earning points against each other 14 times a year has some sort of depreciating return and they get some sort of value for it if my boys at data
Golf can figure out a way to rank those guys based off of their performance versus the rest of the field then we can figure out a path sort of moving forward if again we can come to some sort of cohesive agreement about what you are and how we are all existing together in
This world of professional Gulf so I think there is a pathway there but the thing that I’ve really hated from the beginning of this Joe is just the absolute ego maniacal way that some of these guys Norman included have just beat her on their chest like this isn’t
Fair it’s like you don’t get to go and create something that doesn’t follow any of the rules and then expect to be granted into that structure that’s just not how the world works you wouldn’t tell your kids that like you would want your kids to act like that at school now
If the rule is unfair or unjust then have a conversation about it and let’s figure it out and let’s adapt but I think if I can’t imagine John Rob made the jump without knowing that some of the things that he did not like and he has been on the record not liking about
Their structure aren’t going to change moving forward yeah absolutely and it’s hard you know I see both sides of it right I see that the egotistical nature of live just expecting that obviously they’re they’re just going to just up and Grant them points is one thing but I
Also think this it comes down a lot to the major championships who can kind of make their own rules so if the Masters and the PGA Championship and the USGA say we’re not going to utilize this as a criteria anymore because we don’t feel like it accurately reflects the 60 or
The 50 best players in the world anymore and they go to an AI or they go to a data golf or they go to someone else who is able to create a more accurate list then I think it it renders the owgr and trying to get these points useless right
I understand your points there I wonder what the biggest sticking point is is it the 54 holes is it the no cut because you know tiger jumped 430 spots for finishing what 18th at the hero he jumped 430 spots and they gave official World Golf Ranking points you now in I I
Tweeted this out earlier today that since 2010 there have been 14 since 2010 Green Jackets awarded in and eight of them in the Champions dinner this year are going to be worn by players on the live golf tour over half of them since 2010 are live golf guys like it just
Feels disingenuous to the sport to use this ranking system that does not factor in John Ramen Brooks kept getting cam Smith and Dustin Johnson we can go on and on but I feel like I just wonder what the biggest sticking point is is it the no cut promotion Rel
Or is it 54 holes or what can they change that they were like okay we’re going to give you some some points I think it’s churn I think a lot of it has to do with how are you churning players in and out and I understand that the PGA
Tour is certainly taking care of their top 50 this year top 70 and they’ve done all the math about how many guys in the top 50 going in this year with all the signature event starts they think that there’s going to be a significant not significant but at least an appropriate
Amount of churn to come out of that they crunch red all those numbers as they looked at the points and I think that’s a big part of it is that you just can’t play an entire closed circuit over the course of an entire season and expect to
Then be given points year in and year out because you’re just you’re just building those points off of one another now maybe there’s a way you know to hold up like what are your what are your metrics like when you actually do play against other guys in Majors but now you
Know there are several guys in that tour that you know this year after maybe making it on World Golf Ranking points last year are out of exemptions this year so there’ll be fewer fewer live guys in Majors this year because of that sort of thing so yes they do need to
Come to some sort of an understanding and like I said we’ve got to find a way to get I mean eyeball test alone we know some of the best players in the world are playing on live golf so how can we reward that I don’t know but the
Solution isn’t to give sonan Kim last year 14 weeks where the World Golf Ranking points for finishing 47th or 48th every single time he teed it up so like how do we how do we figure that out to the same point like you know the Hero World Challenge didn’t have World Golf
Ranking points for a while and then I think it was more of a tip of the cap to tiger as just sort of a you know thanks for all you’ve done for the sport we’re going to recognize your event we’re going to give these guys points you’re
Already taking guys based off of world ranking in the first place right you know it is what it is and we didn’t really think much about it and now all of a sudden when you’ve got a really loud contrarian in the room screaming oh wait a second like why aren’t we getting
Points then it makes a lot of sense and maybe maybe there’ll be a solution moving forward Joe to where the Hero World Challenge only Awards points to the top eight and live golf events only get points to the top 16 every week in their tournaments and that’s how we move
Forward in this to try and find an equitable solution to where points are still given in these types of events but not to everybody that then continues this cycle of look if I’m on Liv or if I’m in Signature Events on the PGA tour My World Golf Ranking is not going to
Dip even though I’m playing like dog crap yeah one of the you know one of the things I wanted to ask you because you’re inside the ropes each and every week and you may not know the answer to this but it’s one of the things that I’ve always wondered is the uniqueness
Of professional golf where they’re essentially independent contractors and there was this this this phrasing that was coming up two three years ago all the time like this is a player run organization that was the quote right but how apparently the players didn’t have any sort of voting rights at the time in
Terms of any major decision making um this was made basically blind to every player except for maybe Rory maoy got a phone call minutes before it actually happened were the players aware like do they see the books of the tour are they do they have any idea if they’re aware
Of the tour’s financial situation or standing like these reserves that push these elevated events and the European tour agreement they put $200 million into the European tour like is there any sort of voting process or vetting from the players in this player run organization previously before now that
They were able to um have an opinion on some of these major decisions within the tour yeah I can’t answer the specifics of it I just know that now that Tiger’s on the board you have more players than non-players on the board so it wasn’t that they didn’t have votes it was that
There were non-player members on the PGA toour board that there were more of them than there were players so it was like what five to four or whatever it was yeah when you looked at since had some guys step off and you know less roles and obviously some of the players have
Taken on a larger role it’s really difficult right when you’re a member organization but your membership once you win you’re a lifetime member on the PGA tour but unless you’re a card carrying member then I think that affects what your sort of voting rights are but you’re voting for those
Individuals who are representing your vote at the highest level of the board so when this was all going down and and players were losing their mind and people were like how could you not know in a previous life I worked in nonprofit in the nonprofit world so I was in
Alumni development and Communications for both my Alba moer and for my national fraternity which were headquartered here in Indianapolis and that’s a me like fraternities and sororities are member organizations and we’re member governed and so I worked at a headquarters building so I would you know I reported to effectively the Jay
Manahan of the organization who was the hired CEO of the organization and I worked in Communications or whatever it might be and so if I was going to send out an an email to every single chapter or whatever I didn’t need to go to the 5,000 undergraduates around the country and
The 65,000 living alumni and get approval to send that email even though they technically have a vote their vote is through individuals that come up to the board that come up to an executive counsel all this other sort of stuff so it’s the way that you know most businesses or most member run
Organizations work is that when you know Joe member over here says well my voice wasn’t heard it’s like well you don’t have an actual vote you’re not going to the holes like on Election Day and casting a full Democratic vote but you have a player representative on the
Player advisory committee you have a player director on the board of directors like those are the people that you need to be in communication with so it felt a little disingenuous to me sometimes to hear players saying like we’re in the dark here I think just a lot of players were just comfortable
With where things were and and probably weren’t like keeping an eye on the day-to-day sort of business but I would assume that if any player wanted to see the books they have a right to at least ask about that and get an answer back and it’s probably been more questions
About that in the last six months than there ever has been in the history of the PGA Tour because when things are running well the members don’t really care about who they’ve hired or who they’ve elected to make the decisions for them and then when all of a sudden
Something goes a little bit different they’re wondering how that structure works but yeah I don’t have necessarily the specifics I just know from you know how other nonprofits that I’ve been a part of sort of operate in terms of member organizations and it’s just that this has been so tumultuous that I think
Everybody just kind of wants answer and you’re sort of learning where your power is where your voice goes and then who’s really representing you that’s a great point with like using like your alumni associations I think that I think my HOA Community right here like I technically
Have a vote in there but there if they want to say we’re going up $500 because we want new uh royal palm trees on everyone sure I I don’t if I ask to see the books I’m sure I could but when they don’t aren billing me I don’t I don’t
Ask it was love Angry I’m in the middle of it right now I used to sit on an HOA board in my old neighborhood cuz I ran the pool for him and now I’m in a bigger neighborhood and I have no interest in doing it ever again but I love it when
People get mad you know and they’re on the little whatever next door or whatever it is and they’re like why our dues are going up like I have no idea what the budget is and I responded I was like they mail a copy of the budget with
The statement that came in the mail like you can see what they’re spending now I don’t agree with how much we’re spending on security but like do I really want to go to a meeting raise a fuss see if I get 51% of my neighbors to vote to
Change the budget like no I I mean if I really want to if I really want change then I run for the board or I go to the meetings like a lot of people yelling you know from next door for HOA or yelling to golf Week Magazine or some
Other podcast about how the PGA Tour is being run from a player standpoint like that stuff you know what you can get involved like there’s ways to get involved and and see how your organization runs okay have to ask you about this because you are the author of a
Fantastic book um called the science of golf how about this there it is how about the science of the golf ball I need to take from you on the RO we 55 minutes without talking about roll back what happened to that story line you know it it got we buried the lead man
But but let’s talk about it because uh if anyone has crunched more numbers and I’ve seen some disparity I’ve seen the USGA come out and try to tell me that I’m going to lose three to five yards and PGA Tour Pros are going to lose 10
To 15 but I’ve also seen Keegan Bradley say that he’s losing 45 with the new ball and and Lucas Glover came out today and said that he he tried a new golf ball I’m sure you saw it and he’s only hitting at 242 on average um what is the
Actual impact and what do these spin rates and Club head speeds and numbers and data tell you that the impact may be first let’s talk about at the professional level um we’ve got five years until it gets rolled out the professional level based off of the new
Testing standards and the sort of the 5% they think is going to be lost for the highest swing speeds if we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think in five years that the manufacturers and then all of the optimization between equipment and track man that we’re not
Going to shrink this Gap a little bit I was thinking about I think this week was was so overblown in the outrage age but that still makes it a bad deal for the usgaa and the RNA because they created a lot of anger and Discord between two different sides of it’s really a
Philosophical difference there’s two different ways to view the game I’ve learned that from my old podcast I learned that from writing the book there’s two very different ways that people View Golf and I know I’m getting away from sort of the professional answer I think that they’re going to
Optimize their swings and you will see very little difference in distance off the te when the new ball comes out in 2028 but will say this the caveat in the release from the USGA and the RNA is that they said that this allows them to take the first step and the next steps
Are going to be you know offc Center hits so really looking at the coefficient of restitution on the the golf club itself the moment of inertia of of how we’ve taken away a lot of the physics of the golf club and the things that should happen when a Ball’s not hit
In The Sweet Spot we’ve moved that sweet spot we’ve enlarged it so much with technology even though the driver heads aren’t getting bigger their construction has gotten so much much better that you can get the same Co from an off-center hit than you do from The Sweet Spot for
Some of these pros and so maybe they’re going to adjust that a little bit and bring a little bit of skill back into the game but to the sort of broader point is you know a third of the golf balls you can go buy on the shelf right
Now can form with the new with the new test so if you’re a golfer and you’re a 15 handicap and you’re playing and I actually don’t know which balls they are I keep saying I’m playing Titus velocities are those right like I keep thinking of like the old Titus DT solo I
Used to sell lot of those when I was a club pro 20 years ago and it’s a low compression golf ball which I’m sure doesn’t have great energy transfer which means it probably is okay in these types of tests because if you’re swinging that hard it’s actually a bad golf ball for
You so I think if you go out and you hit that you’re not going to see really any change and so the USGA has really tried to hammer that home is that hey you might be playing a golf ball right now you’re never gonna have to change like
They’ll still be able to manufacture this and you’re going to be fine they say that from almost every amoner every Club below a five iron in your bag is not going to see any distance change so it’s really about controlling the length off the tea um but to the philosophical
Difference there are a lot of people in this world that View Golf as it’s supposed to be a challenge it’s supposed to be played the way that it was invented it’s supposed to be played on the ground it’s supposed to be played you know to where the idea is to
Struggle and to try and get better and there are others a lot of them have gotten to the game more in the modern space the last 20 years who want to embrace the technology they want to hit it far they want to get in the air they
Want technology to help them make it easy easier and more fun and those have just let I mean there’s just two completely different ways to view the game and we’re yelling at each other across this Abyss um I won’t tell you which side I’m on because I don’t even
Know if I have a side at this point in time Joe when it’s all said and done and it’s it’s just unfortunate because it we created a ton of anger this week and I really think by the time you and I have to play a Nassau in 2030 with whatever
The new balls are that hell I’ll be 48 I already would have lost 5% of Distance by the time I get to that age I don’t really know if we’re going to notice any difference to be honest now if they shrink the drivers right after that like
Two years later and things start to really dramatically change I’ll be interested but yeah it’s been a really weird week because I think people have just camped on their sides of how they already felt and then they’re each sort of bastardizing the data to fit what
They want it to say totally um and again back to the empathy like I have empathy for J Monahan I have a lot of empathy for the folks at the USGA and the RNA I know some people don’t but they put in thousands of hours of interviews and
Testing and all of the data and while we can sit here and debate whether or not they should be re um regulating distance for the average golfer or should be creating rules for the highest levels of the game that’s what they view their mission to be and I don’t think they
Came about this announcement this week kind of willy-nilly um I think if they were going to make a roll back rule they should have just gone way stricter with it because I don’t really think it’s going to have any impact but yeah we’re yelling about it anyway yeah yeah that
Is the thing that I wonder at the okay so we had talked for years that and and I think everyone was on this side that distance on a golf course at the professional level doesn’t make it hard it can be 79 it can be 8,000 yards it’s
Not what makes it hard for these guys you look at when they’re where they’re going at Pinehurst this year the the distance is not what makes Pinehurst difficult um are they it is pretty long from the tips though I mean for cor and khaw stepped it out to like 7700 so I
Mean you can it’s pretty deep from this is it gonna play that this year because I thought they do they never but yeah anyways I think firm in fast conditions and extremely penal greens if you miss in a small area are typically what holds back scores like you look at caloo as
One of the longest courses if it’s wide if it’s soft if it’s easy the distance doesn’t matter to these guys um is the was the decision made like what was the goal was the goal to protect golf like Landmark golf courses at the professional level so we’re making this
Universal change to protect Augusta National and to protect St Andrews which I think are the two that um were most in mind in my opinion when they thought about making this is is we want to make sure we see long irons into Augusta National and we want to make sure
Everyone isn’t hitting driver gap wedge into every single hole at St Andrews and this is the philosophical divide right so this goes back to me as a play-by-play announcer of golf is that you have people who want the same winning score relative to par from the
1960s to be the score the standard that we measure to Golfers today we have you know I was on Series XM yesterday and Alan shipnuck was on as a guest and he’s definitely in the Pro rollback community and it doesn’t there’s nothing wrong with that but his biggest thing was he
Says that the PGA Tour or professional golf in general is a boring product compared to what it used to be and I couldn’t disagree any more with that like I would much rather call guys hitting scoring shots into as many greens as possible and a couple times a
Year do I like it when par is a good score sure but some of those rounds are brutal you know five hours of watching guys miss you know 13 of 18 greens like it’s nice to see him humanized a few times and there’s been a lot of other
Advancements in it but you know par is just a construct to help with scoring and we’ve I think especially at the championship level for the USGA and the RNA they’ve become so protective of that of that par has to be that defining value of what makes a difficult test of
Golf that when all of a sudden guys are laughing past that score in particular areas you know they have to look at that a little bit I am way more sensitive to the environmental concerns and they’ve talked a lot about that sustainability and environmental stuff with golf
Courses I don’t necessarily know if the ball going too far is the number one reason why you know we’re running out of water you know on some of these golf courses like I think think there are much bigger issues as to why we are running out of water mainly like we’re
So obsessed especially in this country with green grass that we we we dump water on it all the time so I mean let’s if we watered the golf courses less could we still build the back te I don’t know like what the answers are in all these places so it’s um it’s really
Interesting because you start to see it from those two different perspectives and you know I’ve watched enough PJ tour players hit golf shots from 130 yards to know that not every single one of them goes inside of five feet and so sometimes the that do some days are
Really fun to call and um I’m okay with the variety I’m okay with 30 underpar winning a golf tournament you know a couple of times a year I’m but I I think it’s definitely a reaction to listen we want these Championship tests and there’s some trickle down too about how
Long the game has gotten at the elite Amer level the college level and a lot of these other courses that are kind of On The Fringe of hey we would like to host not a PGA Tour event we’d love to host a usam or something like this we
Really want to be considered like an elite golf course but we don’t have what we think is the space to host that Championship because they feel like they have to stretch it out so that par is rewarded yeah and that’s kind of I think how we arrived at the table in the first
Place I heard that talking point as well in terms of green space and environmental uh sort of narratives from the USGA to to me part of it felt like like the live grow the game narrative in that okay so and you mentioned the green grass like take la which hosted this
Past us open for instance that place on Tuesday was browned out players were complaining that it was hard and they dumped a ton of water on it Wednesday and green the whole place up and softened the course and it played too easy everyone golf Twitter went nuts
About how easy that US Open played and they can’t wait for Pinehurst well guess what if they water the out of pineh herst it ain’t going to play even par this year it is very much dependent upon the course conditions and that’s what I wonder let me sort of close with your
Opinion on this question and you may have already answered it but when this golf ball goes into effect will it have a greater impact on relative scoring average for a professional golfer a b a 10 handicapper like myself or C neither you dropped to a 10 what happened well
9.7 yeah things you were like a seven when I played with you that there was a 93 and a 94 back to back recently that were um embarrassing all right what was the C again I got distracted by was neither so do you think scoring average
Goes up relative to to to what we expect of a PGA tour pro like are we going to see scoring average go up a half a stroke for them or two strokes for a 10 handicap because the course is longer or C it impacts neither and everything you
Everyone basically plays the same I will I will walk the USG a token line here and I will say that if there is a scoring change that the scoring average will go up for the elite player and the professionals and that you will not see that big of a difference at the amiter
Level like I I honestly believe that that’s what they’re trying to create in this distance roll back I think that Lucas Glover he was on Series XM last night debuted his his own show and that’s where he talked about the ball going a little bit Yeah softer both he
And Keegan are strickson guys and so I don’t know if strix On’s kind of messed around with building a ball that’s going to be like that but I think that was a little extreme the numbers that they had especially given the fact there’s still four years of R&D to go before they
Actually have to give these guys a ball to hit out there but let’s just say for example that they’re it’s half of that and that Lucas Glover truly does lose 20 yards off the te and if the PGA Tour then elects to continue playing golf courses on average at what 6950 or um
7,000 I think was about the average length of most golf courses this year on the PGA tour then yeah you would see you would see it go up a little bit but again I think from a swing speed standpoint I think from a playability standpoint I think again because there
Are a lot of balls that already conforming in the first place that yeah it would be the professionals that will see a um a a slight dip in scoring but again I think it’s so marginal we won’t notice will thank you so much for your
Time uh it was a pleasure to have you join me I truly value your opinion as always you’ve given me an hour tonight and put the kids to bed early so that you can come in and talk all things that are Ever Changing in the world of professional golf make sure to follow
Him will hasket on Twitter we will be tuning in in a few weeks when um gosh it’s going to be like a a deep breath when we actually like tea off back at the Tournament of Champions and just feel like we’re back not not Tournament of Champions anymore it’s just the
Century because we got a lot of guys there didn’t win last year we’ve expanded the field just the centy things are changing too much for me every day it’s changing every day it’s changing but it was great to have you join us uh make sure to check will out on Serius
Radio and everywhere else that he is um I appreciate your time and thank you once again for joining us on the show my pleasure all right talk to you soon yep all right guys anyone who’s hung here thank you so much I genuinely appreciate your support I will be back
Here in a few weeks to do a 2020 tour 2024 I’m getting tour and four mixed up uh sort of season preview and some things to Outlook in regards to the PGA Tour we’ll talk a little Liv as well um I wanted to get into some of with will
But there was just too much to talk about tonight um thank you all for joining the show make sure to give it a like on the way out subscribe to that preferred lines YouTube page uh if you want to support the show even further preferred linesg golf.com you can get
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