They care about black people in communities they care about uplifting the race they care about uh black fraternities and sororities and that that that Church Trinity is was that kind of church prior to the presidency is what I say after the campaign started because Barack Obama also was somebody who
Really wanted political officers and I think I was just an anomaly in that I just I had that Detroit thing yeah um I wasn’t about to jock no I had that I just didn’t do that I used to watch all these guys running around meeting you got to meet John such
And such oh my God he’s I used to watch all these guys running over there man listen man I ain’t about to run the same way I’m about to do none of that man I’m good but see him and a whole lot of guys that I won’t name they just was you know
They really was uh you know politically hustling all around trying to meet people and all that and it worked out for him but but I just felt like if if if you know I mean I’ll be all right and it wasn’t an arrogance as much as it was
In Detroit we just understand what’s ours I think this is different it’s just we always had a sense of um a pride in our community and ourselves and that kind of stuff I I told you in my book first book I talked about it being like a Brooklyn thing you know Brooklyn just
Brooklyn we like that this Detroit man we don’t we ain’t about to go over there I see dude I see him in a minute yeah yeah yeah what about so he was one of those guys that really was trying to figure out how to position himself politically and he
Ran for office and loss he would do stuff and you know but he eventually hit and when he hit in 2008 because he hit at the right time too it was the U I told you Ed magnam right here Wayne con told me politics is three things timing
Timing and timing when he ran for that US Senate Office it was no chance of him winning he had just lost a confessional race he was running for Senate as a placeholder for Democrats and then the Republican gets caught up in the Scandal he’s on the ballot by himself yeah
That’s and so when he wins now he’s at the Democratic Convention he makes a speech you know a skinny kid nowhere out of nowhere but they knew him in Chicago he was in the state sen we didn’t know who he was nobody knew who he was when
We first heard his name when I first heard his name you know they automatically attached to him which at that time it wasn’t really a good name to have right with being Muslim yes right and being Barack Hussein right right and so it just seemed like he just
Became a meteor and he was just like the perfect time and then you had the recession going on and everything like that and this dud you know obviously he could communicate effectively and he was articulate and he was cool and he just hit at that at the right time H at the
Right time and that timing was amazing and um and and and even in that it was it was uh that old school what God has for you is for you he moved every obstacle to put him in that position I think it was right for the country at
That time yeah I think he did the right job time and he morphed and you know according to your first question into the president of the United States yeah um and then at that point you heard him change on view after view after view he
Had to kick his Pastor to the curb who was heard by that and tremendously Broken Steel he he really hasn’t come back from that and then um he you know they had a total makeover of his wife they had I was going to ask you about
That though like what did you know I don’t know if you’ve met her or had conversation with her with him or in any capacity whatsoever you’ve never met her before never met her every time that I met with Barack um um it was just him
And I I don’t think he ever met my former wife either yeah yeah so yeah I was going to ask you about that but you were saying about the makeover what was it yeah you know I you know I saw her yeah but I never really had a
Conversation with her but she went from you know just a bright brilliant uh tough lawyer um who never put on the extra never looked the extra uh to really somebody they kind of hid away and really uh had a complete makeover and then the Michelle Obama whom we know
Was born and so it was a it was an incredible thing the morphing of that you know Southside Family going to Trinity United Church of Christ to being president and first lady of the United States and I think they did a good job handling that but when you morph into
That position there’s going to be positions that you take that are counter it to the community that you come from conversely then you got Trump who from all Optics this dude is like a juggernaut right now no question and it’s like it doesn’t matter what they
Throw at him it doesn’t matter what his reputation you know whatever it is that they trying to create for him had you ever actually met him in person um when Don Bon was trying to get the casino cable yeah the cable stuff and then he went over to the casino yeah he
Had Don Donald Trump come into town that day but I didn’t I was in the same room with him but I you know I don’t believe I met him I don’t believe I went over and met him I I can’t remember that it seemed like it’ be a picture if I did
Yeah um but I don’t I didn’t meet him I was more interested in meeting Michael Jackson so I got all the pictures I got all my pictures with Mike you know at the coat you know um you know I was a Mike Mike fan now you know
And so I mean Donald Trump was over there but you know that was Mike’s day you know what I’m saying I don Bon holler at me I say man we’re Mike man you know so I met Mike and I remember Trump around but I just don’t believe if
I did shake his hand I might have I don’t remember that but um but I never met him and talk to him we never had a word still to this day I’ve not talked to him still to this day I’ve talked talked obviously to his people yeah
Jarry chisner and others I you know and all but I haven’t spoken to him it was no uh pay for play uh I didn’t pay for a a a a commutation they have never asked me to do anything really listen Jared Kushner on the phone
Two weeks after I got out we had a long conversation and I asked him I said man why did you do this yeah and he said oh some of everybody Republicans Democrats whites blacks now mind you he’s telling me about people talked to them him about
Getting me out that I had no idea I didn’t even know these people and then he said I mean our hearts were just turned toward you man and that is what it was when he hung up that phone they haven’t tried to get me to come to
Nothing they haven’t tried to get me to be involved in anything they W get me to do it and and I know that’s hard for people believe because they positioned Trump in a certain kind of way yeah they try to make it out to see like hey you
Got to do something for me if I did something to you type of thing they kind of paint that picture of him AB absolutely but in a general sense he just he just did what he he just did it and he did it because the people that
Came to him you had white Republicans you had black Republicans and then you also had people like Alice Johnson sitting in his office saying this is the guy I really want you to help Alice Johnson I never met her never talked to her only time I ever saw her was on
Television with Kim Kardashian got her out and she ran across the street um but she said God put put her on my put me on her heart and she just went in and she was in Oval Office man January uh 12th meeting with the president um Jared
Kushner and the White House Council and she was advocating for kwam Kilpatrick so in the midst of uh January 6 and people asking for Trump to resign and and and all of the stuff going on and investigations uh my name was being discussed in Oval Office and Donald
Trump said that day I’mma help your guy it’s famous Jerry Kush Alice yeah okay Alice I’mma help you guy and Janu AR 13th at 8:41 in the morning he signed my commutation
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