You’ve been talking about this for so long and now it’s finally here and I’m so proud of you yay happy Cheers okay hi guys my name is Shannon beverage I’m the host of x’s and o’s today I have a very special guest she is a director she’s a pop star she’s an editor she is a social media Tycoon she does it all zolita but I call her Zoe
Because she’s also my roommate hello hello oh my god oh very excited to be here one room over yeah you had to travel far today I had to travel really far not a lot of people know that we’re roommates I feel you either do know it or you don’t know
It but me and Zoe have been roommates now for three years almost exactly three years three years in March yeah and it’s going great it’s going amazing we’re great roommates right we’re amazing roommates it’s really crazy how well it works the funniest thing you said to me
Recently is you said you like I haven’t been passive aggressive in a while do you remember that yeah yeah yeah this is the longest I’ve lived this my my childhood home this is the longest I’ve lived anywhere as an adult as an adult yeah I think it’s always only been like
One year I think me too yeah I feel like when I hit the three-year Mark it’s the longest I’ve stayed yeah and I would love to stay forever we’re perfect roommates you guys we built such a happy home we really did we’d be like 40 in living thisit me
This right yeah okay hopefully not maybe we’ll just be neighbors that would be deal God you’re definitely like cleaner than I am I would say but I also am really chaotic like with music video shoots and with like I feel like I have a lot of stuff I
Have more stuff than you do and it’s everywhere when I was talking to my mom about it recently she was like yeah like you’re lucky that Shannon’s okay with how much stuff you have I’m chilling I’m chilling there’s a lot of stuff but I feel like we also understand
Each other because we’re both creatives and like doing a lot of random stuff definitely if you’re shooting music video the living room is gonna be full of your [ __ ] if I’m selling my hats living room going to be full of my [ __ ] but we give each other space to create
Have those moments it’s nice that we both yeah yeah it works out have that understanding also a big thing is that we’re both really really social and like need to be around people all the time yes I definitely and if that was yeah if
One of us was like not that way it would not have this would have already been done yeah we would have been done yeah we would have been done but we’re not we’re going strong we’re going strong and this is the lesbian sorority house yeah you know in our living room we have
An accent wall and Zoe we’re like she’s like I really want to paint this wall I’m like okay let’s paint let’s paint the wall I was just like I just don’t want to paint it pink if you’re familiar with Zoe’s music she had a pink era her
Hair was pink her Instagram feed every post was like very very very pink pink all the time it was pink everywhere so when she was like I want to paint the wall I was like okay any color but pink and she was like yeah no for sure it
Won’t be pink it won’t be pink it would be more like salmon I’m like okay that’s pink Coral yeah Coral I’m like that’s just pink but you love it now and now the wall is pink yep it did turn out pink I do love it can we talk about the
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Shannon for 20% off the entire website I have a barn door in my room I’ll insert a clip maybe so you can see so there is light and sound that travels both in and out and sometimes that does not work in my favor if you know what I mean
We have a really funny story of a Time Zoe was like the best roommate and friend a girl could have so it was a beautiful afternoon you were really connecting we were con you were really connecting you were having great afternoon and we I think we’ all been hanging out before so
Like there was like already on a grande like Spotify was playing I had propped a speaker in the door frame of the barn door and then I heard the song coming out of the speaker literally was break free AR on Grande and like this is the
Part where we stay I’m like that they cannot be having sex to that there’s no [ __ ] way and I went and I queued up a bunch of hot songs for you guys he curated I curated a sex playlist you really did that was a really shining
Roommate uh moment for me and then later on I come out of my room and Zoe’s like do you like the did you like the music and I was like what are you talking about she’s like cuz you were connected to the speaker I was connected yeah the
Whole time I wasn’t even thinking I just put the speaker in the doorway I was like this will solve this problem quick for me anyway so the barn door has been quite the experience in many ways also Zoe only exclusively grinds her coffee fresh in the morning so my alarm clock
Is the coffee grinding I’m so sorry it’s like I love New York because I love to hear sound and I love to know that I’m like okay the world has started I should get out there and you are my New York Street traffic with your coffee grinds
And I love it we’ve gone through many ups and downs as roommates we have now experienced when we moved in we’ve we’ve experienced every single configuration of dating coupled them yeah so when we moved in I was single and I had a girlfriend and then I got a girlfriend
So we were both in relationships yes and then I went through a breakup and now I am partially on a break it is just crazy yeah it’s stressful it’s we’re not making light of any situation here but it is just wild that we’ve had like when
I first moved in Zoe going on dates all the time like we’re looking at her Ria profile we’re looking we’re like who are you talking to having the best time living vicariously through you as like being in a couple like the source of all of the stories all of the tea was coming
From you yeah then when we were both coupled up we became like little Comm a Comm like a full commune we were double dating hanging out having dinners always cooking for each other cooking for we it was beautiful time it really was and while it lasted it was beautiful
Time we have each other to help each other through the rough times you’ve been my constants zo you have been my constant so beautiful we share a lot in common with the whole creative situation yes both especially CU you’re an artist but you’re also in your own way and influence
And you’ve really done such a good job of using Tik Tok and Instagram and everything as like a tool to just help you with your own trajectory with your music projects and video projects and XYZ I’m very proud of her she’s amazing thank you if you don’t follow Zoe on Tik
Tok or Instagram you should because she is pumping out the content it really is inspiring to live with her I’m like she’s filming another Tik Tok should I film a Tik Tok I should probably film a Tik Tok I feel the same way about you okay it’s great yeah no it’s so great
Especially now that I’m back on my grind oh yeah oh yeah oh we influence each other we definitely influence each other influencers influence each other look at that look at that we don’t stop we never stop this is like the new hype house yeah I know the lesbian lesbian hype
House actually just what two weekends ago two weekends ago we were on set filming a brand new music video for Zoe which I’m so excited for I am so excited it was so fun it’s my funniest video yet for sure and like like movie I feel like
We kind of went back to almost cipo Vibes definitely more even more exp more yeah yeah it’s a music video and then a full series that’s sick with tons of dialogue it was the most like acting I’d ever done it was the most yeah it was
The most dialogue ever it was so much fun there’s also like on day two there was 100 people yeah it was the biggest set we’ve ever been on together so many fun cameos feel like so many big personalities yeah cool people are going to be that video should we talk about
Like our just our Dynamic on set I feel like so okay the hardest thing about being you know directing and being music video and like doing and being in the producer brain is I there’s not enough time for me to get to see the Monitor
And like I also just don’t get to yeah I’m not watching monitor as I’m like in the video I feel like we found such a good I don’t know workflow on set because obviously Shannon’s so in my brain because we live together so like I will be talking about this video for so
Long before we actually shoot it and you like are so clued into exactly like the tone and like the vibe and like what I want it to look like also you just have such an incredible eye and like you have your own creative brain so yeah so once
We’re on set like you know exactly you know how I want to be looking you know like what doesn’t look good and you know like what I’m trying to achieve and even in the post-production process it’s so awesome because you like pop into my room as a meditate it’s like not hard to
Yeah it’s not hard to help we have such a good workflow going with each other okay but about the music videos yes you tend to be doing some love stories I would also say you do be making out with hot girls I do I really do in music
Videos what would you say why why is that so important to you and why has that been like a through line of pretty much every music video you make yeah I want to make the music videos that I want to see like I want to make hot
Content uh with heart you know I mean growing up obviously like all of the like woman-on-woman sex that I had seen was in porn or was just like not that runchy at all or just like like you know what I mean a lot of like pecking yeah
Sweet yeah yeah exactly a lot of that why are they always doing that un Les being sexy even like even in Glee you know what I mean just like like so much caressing so much caressing so much caressing so much caressing I’m like I guess that happens in lesbian sex but
It’s not the bulk of the sex the way that the media has sold it to us completely and know I I remember seeing the Black Swan sex scene very hot sex scene but obviously like directed by a man yeah I don’t know I and also like
That wasn’t a love story at all no not even a little but I was like how can I combine all the things I love like I want to be able to tell queer love stories that have you know heart and hope but also I want them to be really
Really hot and I want people to like yeah I want people to be turned on by them oh my God you do and I do you know what I think that they are I remember an old manager I had was like would you ever want to direct like porn like queer
Porn shut up yeah and I that’s not interesting to me because it’s like going fully there it’s like I’m so you want to have a buildup like the tension I I love like playing within a box you know what I mean and like what can I get
Away with on YouTube right what is like the furthest furthest I can push it so true and have it still be okay like for the mainstream and in the confines of the length of a music video there’s only so far you can go because there’s only
So much time song so long and you can add interludes and you can add like breaks but like how how far can you push it yeah completely this one was so interesting because I didn’t have the song until like two weeks before shot the video but you had the whole concept
I had the concept since March like I’ve been thinking of this video concept for so long but such a testament to what a visual artist you are like whenever I talk to people if I explain my roommate I’m like yeah she’s like a singer she’s a pop pop singer but she’s also like
Super like a visual artist I would say almost ahead of the music it’s like the visuals the music is the vehicle to be able to like do all of the things that I want to do yeah visually which is so sick and such a unique like we don’t
Have artists like that I I mean there are some but you’re like such a especially for the safic community you are doing something so different and you are your own little person it’s it’s so fun to watch thank you I would assume and this is so funny cuz obviously I
Know so much more than like a casual if I was like a stranger doing doing a podcast with you but I would assume that that having those kind of love stories and romantic Vibes on set does that impact your relationships outside of set absolutely yeah listen it’s definitely
Really really hard on relationship and I can imagine like okay so I’ve always been like well that’s it’s always been a part of my of my job right it’s like so if you go into dating me it’s like that is going to be a part of it like it’s
Not like I just started making out with girls in music videos like I’ve been doing that for I’ve been doing it for so so so long been telling these love stories for so long but something that my I don’t even know what to call her that my last relationship uh said she’s
Like okay well like the difference is like if you were an actor there’d be a casting director that would be like pairing you with somebody but like you cast your own music videos so you’re choosing your girls so like you’re choosing the girls you’re making out
With and that feels just like wrong and unfair and it’s not like I’m casting girls that I’m like that is a girl that I want to make out with like oh I’m gonna spend that much money to you know yeah no I’m casting people also that I’m
Like I feel like this would be a perfect person to play this role or perfect person people haven’t seen me with this kind of person yet so like that’s I want to do that or like there’s so many reasons why I cast who I cast obviously
And yeah I don’t know I understand I obviously it’s like not an easy I don’t know I can’t imagine what I would feel like if I was on the other side of it and I wasn’t in the entertainment industry at all you know um and if I
Also like didn’t know what it was like on set the thing is like on set it’s so choreographed there are so many people in the room it’s not like it’s not hot it’s not sexy it’s literally like okay I’m going to move my head this way then
You move your head this way and then you’re going to push me this way yeah lit that’s literally that from the last set that was from the last set yeah you go to the right and you go to the left and then push y y so choreographed and
Also like by the time I know you do it so many times too that like it just becomes like we rob trying look pretty but also you want to if I’m doing my job correctly it’s going to look like there’s crazy chemistry yeah if you know if you’re acting appropr being a good
Actor I think it probably takes someone pretty open-minded to be like okay with that with it um but it’s definitely something that’s like will be part of my my music my career for the first a future so it’s not something that I yeah I don’t think I would like stop doing
That for anybody even taking it back to what you were saying about when I said why is that the yeah why are these the videos you want to make I feel representation yeah and I feel so the same way about that as you because that’s the videos I make everything I’ve
Ever made even this podcast it’s all things I’m like that didn’t exist and I wanted it so now I’m going to make it and I feel like that’s what you’re doing and that’s a hard thing you shouldn’t sacrifice that and you like kind of can’t you know I can’t
Because that’s that’s also what my whole career has been built off of like and that’s I mean that is your art you are an artist and that is your art like in that same vein for you because we’ve said you’re an influencer and like you utilize Tik Tok you utilize Instagram
You utilize you utilize everything and anything you can yep so there’s an element of okay there’s the onset situation going on which is hard I’m sure for a partner just in general and then for you there’s also the post- production marketing strategy yes that and how do you feel how has that been
For you I’m not just promoting a song I’m promoting a series I’m promoting a video series like I’ve built an entire world right and if you look at like you know the way that people promote TV shows or movies like and people go on press tours and then actors are like
Acting flirty and cute and whatever um and then then you read into it and like that’s part of the Intrigue it’s marketing it’s Mar it it literally is marketing it works and it’s like you’re good at it yeah you know I understand as a partner though why that it’s hard
Sucks my last relationship I we started dating kind of like right as all the somebody I [ __ ] one stuff was taking off and the whole world was like publicly you know you were being shipped I was being shipped really really hardcore with my co-star and I don’t
Know what I would have felt like if I was in that position like that sucks yeah the internet’s scary and like the internet I could I can totally have so much sympathy and I would say even empathy for people who don’t have so much experience with the Internet it’s
Really hard not to know that like not to take so much take it with so much truth you know yeah yeah it much oh my God so much weight if you’re not used to it of course you’re going to give it that much weight I mean it’s hard for me and I’ve
Been doing it for 10 years I still will read a mean comment and take it to heart sometimes but there’s also like so many other things that I’ve experienced for so long yes even just like every relationship I’ve been in after the next in the next relationship everyone’s like I miss you
With the person before yeah it’s happened to me multiple times and then it’s just so ironic because then you know I break up with the next person and it’s like I miss you with the person before I’m like did you ever like but will you ever like me in the C
Relationship why is it just everyone’s always like it’s so rough thinking half tense it’s definitely like yeah not being a public person and then like dating someone who’s a really public person and that’s that’s our job right it’s definitely hard but also I’m like you do know what you’re getting into
When you start dating this person like you have to also be aware like if you but I this is a funny thing for us to talk about it’s like when you date an artist yeah you’re they’re gonna write gonna write stuff they’re gonna write songs about you yeah we have both have I
Feel like I know it’s interesting cuz different perspectives experienced different things the episode before this or two episodes whatever I also had a similar conversation with Rebecca Black who is an artist so it’s so funny we’re just running around circles with Y lots of artists lots of
Influencers lots of but then also a lot of people who aren’t in that world at all both of our last Partners yeah currenti is Partners you not me we’re totally not in the world when they got when they started dating us and I do completely not in it I do believe and I
Wonder if if there’s ever enough uh disclaimers in the world to give someone for them to actually believe that it will be as what will happen and how intense it is it doesn’t matter like I I mean not that it doesn’t matter I’m it is important and obviously
It will be something that I do forever anyone I date like I have to be like this is the reality of my life it’s not necessarily exactly normal and are you in or not can you handle it yeah and I think the you if it’s and if it’s too
Much like that’s so fair not everybody wants to like be in yeah so fair but I do think that there’s usually some wishful thinking in general at the beginning of relationships no matter what where you’re like I can handle it I can handle that whatever it is literally
Even just like oh I’m not stoked about the relationship you have with I don’t know your family or something like that and you’re like it it’ll be fine and then you know Christmas time comes around and you’re like this is kind of bumming me out you know like SE in in a
Way that at the beginning of a relationship you’re like no worries it’ll be good and then and I feel like for us dating people that’s probably always going to be us being like by the way yeah this could go like this yeah yeah and it’s been going like this yeah
I’m scared I’m like who would ever want to date me again a lot of people a lot of people I was going to say the flower metaphor yes I need to say this I literally this is a new thing in our house we oh my God we’ve been saying it
So much we get on things and then you tell me something or I tell you something and then I swear like go around town I’m like yeah like have you ever heard of this metaphor zo taught me this so um actually our friend our friend Katherine uh told me this
Metaphor the other day Y and she basically said like in every relationship there’s a flower and a gardener and by Nature you’re a gardener so I’m I’m very much a caretaker by very nurturing very nurturing very like cooking me dinner being so sweet you have like a very almost like a mother
Yeah very much a gardener so I go for flowers I always go for flowers people that I can like take care of and but my job in my job I have to be a flower constantly I’m a flower so and that’s where it gets tricky yeah The
Duality if the if the flower that I’m with is you know also wanting to yeah be a flower doesn’t want a garden you know well I love this metaphor I love this metaphor too when you’re an artist you’re almost you almost have an alter ego in a way yeah like there’s Zoe and
There’s zolita completely but the funny thing for me is there’s no Alter Ego you are and it’s me and like I think some influencers and some uh social media people like there is kind of like this like this is what I sell to the world
And this is who I am but for me I don’t know you could maybe talk more about that than I can because obviously I can’t see myself fully but I would say what I sell online as like myself it’s me it is you yeah so it’s like even like
A different vibe when I’m dating someone cuz it’s like this I’m very genuinely sharing myself and then that’s why I’ve gotten in so much hot water I feel with relationships because it’s really hard to decide how much is too much to share how much is not enough to share I’ve
Clearly still not figured it out yeah it’s different than I guess like with music stuff if I share a song I can’t still be nuanced I guess about it and be like well it could be about this maybe isn’t about this who knows you can read into it but if you’re when you’re
Sharing you’re like you were literally just like this is here what what’s going on in my life this is my diary what you put out is Art what I put out is life like it’s kind of like here I am but documentary how do you feel like sharing
Art with a partner who maybe didn’t sign up for art to be made for them but I mean but also they did yeah yeah like okay they started dating me you start dating me if I’m spending all my time with you of course I’m going to be
Writing about that like that is where I’m going to like gather my inspiration from especially because I write like a lot of my songs are mostly just about yeah my my love life and relationships but I can understand that like for somebody who maybe is a more private
Person they don’t want their like our relationship to be put on blast in the same way so yeah I mean you’re basically exposing your diary to yeah exactly it’s like they wouldn’t just like post their Diary online but like I get to do that because it’s art you know what I mean
Like I understand how that is hard for the other person but yeah that was definitely um but then also like there’s no winning because if I would write like about a previous relationship I would write like about an X because like I only have I have my well of experiences
To pull from and if I want to write song that’s like going into like a way that I felt in that past relationship like doesn’t mean that I’m still harping on that last relationship and I want to be in it also usually there’s people in the
Room and like the rhyme is going to win you know what I mean it’s not always like completely true to true to life and it’s also other yeah other people’s emotions in the song as well I’m being so triggered by you right now no no no
I’m being so triggered by you right now like these are like those are things that she said direct texts I’ve got and conversations I’ve had there’s other people in the room verbatim every time it’s true but that’s always that’s always the thing like it’s not just me
Coming up with it everyone else was there too like oh God I know dead no but it’s it’s complicated it’s complic it’s if when you’re in a relationship it’s hard if you’re like yeah you’re playing play a song about my ex before her um and she’s like oh my
God like are you still thinking about her like that like is that how you still feel but it’s like no that’s just like that is the well I can write about totally you know that’s the well of experience I have to pull from and but yeah and then like writing about when I
Would write like about our relationship or just like issues we were having like within the relationship you know for her she was like damn I don’t want people to see us like this like I don’t I’m not necessarily like I wouldn’t like clue people into that like I don’t want
People to know that about us or that was a private thing we experienced but now it’s going to be public and everyone’s going to know yeah it’s really that’s a it’s a hard line I think as an artist to balance it is it definitely is and it’s
Yeah it’s it’s hard just like how for you when you’re in a relationship it’s harder for you to share stuff because you want to be like really um respectful like you’re saying of your partner it’s the same thing with in music like when you have a partner it’s hard it’s harder
To yeah I feel like I definitely sometimes would censor myself a little more it’s all complicated it’s not black and white that’s like my favorite thing to say because it’s not yeah but we really both have how how would you feel when you got played songs that were
About her pre her previous relationship Partners yeah it was I just I do remember feeling and obviously this is a long time ago cuz like years ago years and years ago but I do remember feeling like the same kind kind of vibe of like are are you like still in love with that
Person cuz this is the person you’re writing about every session and I remember constantly being like reaffirmed that it’s way harder to write happy songs than sad songs hard and I would be like I I was like okay sure like I I believe that but I I do also
Remember being like one happy song want to just write one one little Happy song about me I feel for your partner going through it because it’s difficult and it’s it’s difficult for a lot of reasons to date an artist and something we’ve talked about before too
Is there’s so many times to celebrate an artist so like so many bu times so many times we’ve had so many like oh an EP release an album releas a music video release oh you’re going on tour there’s this there’s that there’s a music video there’s like it’s everything a song
Really like if I’m releasing like an year album it’ll be like a single every month and it’s like okay let’s celebrate literally there’s so much such a light on you and there’s such there’s so I’m always getting to I’m like always getting to shine and yeah in a job
That’s not what I do like it’s those reasons to celebrate aren’t as built in and that was definitely something in my last relationship that like I could have done a better job probably of like finding more moments that you know to C to celebrate her but it’s just it’s so
Much it’s it’s they’re more you have to create you have to create them they’re not they’re not organically happening they’re not just like yeah like this I’m putting out this thing and now we celebrate yeah yeah dating an artist sucks yeah would you ever date an artist again
There I said it um God no please don’t let me a couple weeks ago when the most recent song about you yeah came out was dying because my sister also there was a song about her that an artist had written uh not very nice song and same
Day and you guys they were both like really high up on your music Friday and you guys were texting each other like like damn like this house is influential we so many Muses we’re inspiring these people out here and whatever something that’s so frustrating to me and has been
For a while now is the people who were like but isn’t it kind of flattering uhuh cuz it’s like okay you’ve obviously never had this experience before yeah one two I was dumped and then till I continue to be dragged through emotions like that you’re kind of like for years and years
After I’m like this is so it’s it’s so interesting too because the internet doesn’t know the reality of that situation either and so they’re listening being like Oh my gosh go get her back go get go get her back like she doesn’t want me she you might be listening to the songs
Thinking she does but uh she doesn’t brings it back to marketing and you know what props to her in some ways I’m like yeah that obviously worked for you didn’t hurt my feelings yeah is it hard yeah is it flattering kind of no you actually share something in common with
An experience I had because you have Nam dropped people in in music but I have so okay the first time I did it was back in like 2018 and I was really really in an angry angry moment because I was cheated on my girlfriend of two years had cheated on
Me with five guys and I was like how the [ __ ] do I get over it like how do I move through this and I ended up name dropping a couple of the guys in the song Yeah remember when we ran into him oh my God and we literally ran into one
Of the guys the other night oh my God that was weird that was so weird okay so in the song I literally say you met a three out of or met a three out of 10 called him Ben took him home not once but twice so we were literally at a bar
The other day and this gangly guy comes up to us gang gangly guy and he was like zolita and I was like hello hi not your usual demographic either no no not at all gangly guys and he was like it’s me three out of 10
Ben I almost spit I spit out my drink that it was and she didn’t it I was there too and I didn’t know I didn’t know the context like three out of 10 B and you were literally like I was like oh I was like wow it’s crazy to see you
He was like it was so fair yeah and then he walked away um yeah kind of hilarious that he owned his nickname but yeah I mean I guess the way that I I thought that that was fair at the time because these guys knew that I was in a
Relationship with this person like they were people that we knew and like they they didn’t respect they like didn’t um see like our lesbian relationship as valid you know what I mean at the same time too they were they’re kind of anonymous they’re not like they not
Connected to her way they like yeah they don’t have you wouldn’t be able to put together who is Ben you would not be able to find him through her Instagram yeah it was like Anonymous should we talk about lesbian apocalypse because I feel like this year was way worse than
The lesbian apocalypse last year who is surviving it no one is surviving like this was not on my 2023 bingo card no it’s been bad we’re falling like there’s so many I literally when the day that I was going through my stuff when I texted my best friend she was like you’re the
Third good friend that’s texting me this today like what is happening something’s in the water you know what it is I know what it is what it’s three years since Co so God many these are Co relationships it’s the 2020 getting together 2020 to 2021 getting together and everyone at this
Like two three year mark which is so often when breakups happen I feel cuz that’s a lot of the ones I’ve heard have been that but also yeah I mean it’s supposed to be cuffing season and we’re falling apart we’re falling apart a but I asked you guys over on Instagram to
Send us some advice SLX relationship whatever questions specifically for Zoe I’ve written them down we’re going to talk about them should be exciting yay follow me at now this is living if you don’t already and then you can participate in the next Q&A this is interesting because it’s a question I’ve
Already answered so and I want to see your answer but do you believe in right person wrong time yes partially wow yeah yeah I think I kind of do I remember your yeah your answer was like people come into your life like the time that they’re supposed to come into your life
I do agree with that for sure but I think that if it’s the right like the truly the right person that they could come back around at a time that feels like more like the right time I feel like there are like sometimes there’s there’s people they’re like oh my God
Like if if these things in our lives were more sorted out like we would be so good but there’s just too much that we both need to like go through and sort out it’s so true that makes us not right for right now but like damn it I wish I
Met you at this time you know I mean I don’t know I think I do slightly believe in right person wrong time I was very like Stern in my answer and I do really believe what I said about people come when they should I think my thing and
The reason why I was so St about it is I just I don’t believe in waiting for people and I think that it just never it doesn’t set anyone up for Success if you use it to like yeah if you use it in a
CR like as a crush but at the same time like my sister married her boyfriend from high school after they were broken up for like 10 years or something so it’s not I I guess yeah I mean in a way it can it can be a it can be something
That is Revisited but I just don’t think it’s a healthy mindset to like to live in that to live in that I think that that just won’t serve anyone yeah have either of us ever felt like Partners expected us to play a certain role a like IE being more dominant
H I think people usually I don’t know if like my actual Partners but like in general when people first meet Me Maybe expect me to be more submissive or bot botomy yeah yeah but I feel very like I present sofam but I feel very masculine in my energy like
I definitely a a little bit more top dmy vibes and also uh I just I feel like even in fights and stuff I’m way more logical and I’m not as led by emotions like I can like pretty I don’t know I like kind of shut off very fast and go straight to
Like well why doesn’t just like logical like one plus one equals to yeah I’m very robotic in a lot of ways yeah so I feel more connected and that’s traditionally red as masculine right so that I’m a little bit more connected to that but but I feel like you attract
People who are for you to be more toy like it obviously that’s what happens but yeah I feel I feel like we’re like opposites cuz but I’m not a bottom I need everyone to know I am a true verse yeah I would say I think I’m
A true verse too yeah yeah you think I’m less of a true verse than you no no I would say but I feel like you kind of date bottoms not necessarily your long-term relationships but a lot of your like more like hooking up Partners I feel
Have been more bottom me because I have a pursuer like I really like I like a Chase yeah I people like me too much you don’t like them I yeah I know that’s that is probably not a good thing but I like a little bit of a cat and moue game yeah
You know I’ve heard there’s a bad rumor around that I’m a pillow princess which I did to my [ __ ] self because I made a title of my YouTube video am I a pillow princess no you didn’t yes because one of my ex-girlfriends called me a pillow princess on I was like going around
Asking people questions about gay terms and one of the terms was do you know what a pillow princess is uhhuh and then I run into my ex at stop it at the Grove completely not planned just completely random yeah and I said to her do you
Know what a pillow princess is and then she said you and I no to this day I’m like I actually don’t even know if she really believes that maybe she does but or just being funny but I’m not okay still stand by that till the
Day I die I’m not what do you do if your partner can’t make you come H well I’ve never faked it before okay in my life good job I can’t I don’t even know how I would I don’t even know how I would try to fake it I think I would
Feel so guilty for faking what do you do like if you aren’t going to do you just like I’ll just say Edge and then like come like try to hook up with them or do you say it’s not going to happen no I’ll just reverse it back on them and then if
They like are persistent and are like wait no like I want to like whatever make you come um then I’ll be like it’s probably just not going to happen but also like I feel like it almost always only doesn’t happen if I’ve been drinking fair so I can usually use that
As it’s because I was drinking so I just I’m not I will will not it probably won’t yeah so let’s just focus on you that’s that’s good what about you have I faked it you faked it yeah oh man bad it’s a bad habit it shouldn’t do it you
Should never do it I’ve gotten a lot better about it completely but anyway what what to what would you do if your partner can’t make you come I think that’s where communication comes in and and like if your partner like what’s going on because do you know how to make
Yourself come I think that’s kind of like totally so much power in that so that you can be like this is what I do like or let me I’m going to do I’m going to like touch myself and like you can do watch me watch me do it like that’s yeah
There’s so many ways make it h for sure definitely so true and if you’re faking it stop faking it no more faking orgasms 2024 also it kind of feels like I don’t know being honest is so powerful so powerful right yeah that’s what being honest 2024 being vulnerable 2024
I can’t think of anything else like surviving 2024 surviving what’s your definition of cheating like me and you have had conversations recently about the power of flirting and how within a relationship flirting good if it’s in a healthy way if it’s in a way that’s like if it’s a
Respectful flirt yes yes there’s like power it it makes both people still feel desired especially if you are in a long-term relationship you’re like I think sometimes like parts of you start turning off yeah like the opposite of like spicy and new is Safety and Security so it’s like all the beautiful
Things that come along with like feeling so safe and at home and like secure with a partner you know you lose a lot of the the spice and excitement it’s like you have to work so much harder to create that and Main that and like it’s one way
You can do it I need I still need to read that book but the Esther Pell book um and there’s like the con the concept of inviting in the third and not necessarily like a threesome but like watching your partner flirt with someone else but then they like come right over
Back to you you know and like knowing like oh my God other people find them desirable like it reminds you like they are so desirable I find and you’re and you’re mine and you picked me and you picked me and you’re coming home with me and like that’s so hot something I
Wanted to talk about and we talk about is the idea of long ter like a forever m H we’re both Children of Divorce we’re both children of I’m a child of multiple divorces yeah people are always commenting that on my [ __ ] being like I’m a child of divorce because of my
Breakups and I’m like get get in line no we’ve been talking a lot about forever and the concept of like we’re at an age where that’s kind of more of a reality yeah and are we going to only sleep with one person for the rest of our lives
That’s I think yeah that sounds so scary it sounds so scary terrifying I feel like take it day by day take it day by day take it day by day and maybe that’s something if you are going to be with someone for the rest of your life maybe that’s something that’s like reassessed
At a later point in your life or when you yeah I feel like it becomes less of a scary and threaten threatening thing to have a level of openness in a relationship if you have so much security like if you have a house together and kids and whatever like you
Have a whole life and world together then it becomes less of like a a threatening thing but some people I don’t know some people like I feel like there is no they just will never want black and white for some people yeah but I I could imagine I feel like
I’ve been more um I’m more of a monogamous person by nature but I could imagine like in a really long-term relationship like wanting some level of that yeah same I’m so monogamous obviously as we’ve all seen but I think for me it for me going into a marriage with someone and obviously then
Obviously this is a coners ation would have long before marriage I just want to when I marry someone I want it to be something that is on the table it doesn’t mean oh for sure one day we’ll be open I just don’t think I could marry someone that their perspective on that
Is never MH I think yeah it’s so hard knowing like all of the I don’t know all of the like forever things around me in my life like they’ve all cheated on each other like there’s now being an adult and like knowing you know my parents friends like hearing stories about my
Parents friends from my mom and stuff and like knowing things that have gone on I’m like oh my God I thought that they were a perfect forever couple but there’s just actual you know Affairs going on within the relationship or yeah but also then being a child of of
Divorce it’s like I don’t think anything lasts forever that’s just like how I operate it’s hard not to that way have you ever had sex to safic music so yes yes let’s let’s pull up let’s pull up the playlist the sex playlist sex playlist snail mail queer yeah um ethyl
Kane hot hot grin there is some girlin red on there there is some girlin red on there on your sex playlist like what song I’ll call you mine I do like that song is that sweet I think I just like loved the music video so much so you
Said I said it’s gonna be on there claro okay Lucy Das wow boyish there it is yeah you lit literally I I said this would be a good question for you cuz you’re like an artist and then she’s like but I don’t think I have and then she looked at her
Play I’m like uh I think you exclusive yeah it’s a lot of safic artist it’s giving like yeah those are really tender songs they are tender songs is that your like love making playlist I mean I guess do you have like a [ __ ] playlist no what would be on a [ __ ] playlist I
Don’t know what’s your what would be like your number one song on there no I don’t want answer cuz the first thing that came to mind is so stupid what is it it’s not like a it’s bad what is it like Grind On Me no whatever the pony
Song is that really on there noon I don’t have one I I don’t have one right now I don’t have one right now what’s like okay what is a [ __ ] song though cuz like everybody’s taste is so different true too so like some people are not wouldn’t be like turned on
Listening to like traditionally like like if they’re listening to like whatever like the week that kind of stuff like that’s like so like okay I guess this is yeah this is like sex music I’m more into the BPM yeah do you know what I mean like I just want to
Have like the right rhythm going on guys grind please recommend some good yes oh my God SE music we need it no more Ariana Grande uh Break Free why not why not my uh my only threesome I’ve ever had was during pride in 2020 was it and we listened to the
Entire chromatic album back to back it was genuinely I was like I this is the best Pride I’ll ever have I won that’s the gayest [ __ ] I’ve ever heard it was as a little monster sh the most iconic thing that ever happened to me okay well
Speaking of three Sims do you want to play a game yes I do okay we’re GNA play a game that is threesome or therapy I’m going to tell you a famous couple and you tell me if you would have a threesome with them or if you would send
Them to coup’s therapy incredible I love this game okay the first one is Tina and bet therapy yeah you I think therapy although I did really like one of their sex scenes like a lot they but their sex scenes were good when they would get back together yes the toxic ones when
They [ __ ] the one in the elevator yes like it was only hot whenever I think the elevator they were going to therapy you know they’re like coming from therapy and they get trapped in the oh no or they divorce something I would join that through some yeah in the
Elevator otherwise th otherwise therapy okay Santana and Britney 3ome 1 million per. I know they’re perfect and they don’t need therapy they really were a great sweet couple rest in peace yeah and they were your gay awaken my Awakening yeah yeah oh my God this one’s so specific for you the mahen drive
Girls it’s kind of both like a threesome for sure so hot so hot so hot but they definitely need therapy they need therapy you could go before yeah but I’ll go have a three them I send them to therapy exactly okay fair I feel like yes same okay and this one also so
Specific to you your favorite movie of all time in some ways Black Swan so hot um three something 1 million yeah I was going to say they don’t even need therapy they they’re not ever going to be in a relationship that is just giving like that is no they don’t need to help
There’s nothing can help them so you might as well just [ __ ] them yeah do you think we did a good job I think we did a really good job okay I think we did a really good job did a really good job is there anything we like missed I
Feel like we talked about everything I feel like this was juicy was it don’t you kind of think it was juicy it’s so hard because I’m talking to you know like how much can I I’ve been forgetting the um we’re filming yeah you know what
I mean I know some of some of this might have to get edited up okay guys thank you so much for listening to X’s and O’s and Zoe do you have anything coming up that you want to tell people about yes I have an album coming out so album coming
Out in 2024 and a new music video coming out top of February I am so excited so excited crazy and a big series as well I can’t wait yay okay thank you for listening and subscribe to X’s and O’s wherever you listen to or watch your
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