Hi everyone this is Jennifer Bashi a deep believer okay today we have a very special segment for you today we’re touching on the secrets of generational curses who can have them how you get them who who may not have them I mean it’s just powerful and you’re want to
Know who’s teaching this his name is Alexander Pagani he’s from Bronx New York and he’s been around the ringer and he knows his stuff and we are going to get deep today Alexander Pagani thanks so much for being with us today let me let me first correct you on something
It’s the Bronx not I’m sorry the Bronx sorry about that gotta put the the in front of the Bronx not Bronx New York I’m sorry the Bronx because there’s other Bronx right there’s other brones thank you so much for having me on I absolutely love talking about the topic
Of spiritual warfare deliverance and generational cursor so I want to just motivate your viewers to strap on their spiritual seat belt because it’s going to get absolutely crazy today I kind of believe that okay so we’re gonna get started but first for those of them who
May not know you for anyone who does not know Alexander bani could you start us off just so we get a foundation or root of you know who you are you were raised in the Bronx the Bronx and um were you raised in a Christian household how did
That look for you no um I was raised in a normal single parent home uh in the late early 80s and by the age of 12 I was already incarcerated in a juvenile detention center for one year I came home and before the year was out I was facing um
21 years in prison so most of my youth and adolescen were done incarcerated that’s where I met the Lord Jesus Christ so I’m the byproduct of prison ministry so I got saved in jail in 1992 so fast forwarding I got called to the ministry in prison got released uh met a
Beautiful pastor’s daughter took over her dad’s church been pastoring for the last 20 years and in Midway through that embrace the ministry of Deliverance and and here we are so I’m the you know the story of from the prison to the Palace like Joseph in the Bible so it’s kind of
Like kind of like my story in a nutshell without being a little too long- winded with it wowers okay but you mentioned something that we’re probably wondering you were incarcerated by 12 years old what did you do at 12 years old to go to prison I was um robbing people in the
Local high school um that I was a freshman in me and some gang members and we were just terrorizing uh the northern part part part of the Bronx so the first time that I actually got arrested was in the lunchroom of my high school so I was
Um maybe 13 Going on 14 I got arrested at around 12 years old for you know breaking into cars the normal stuff that people get arrested to with uh when you’re like in the inner city youth growing up in the you know in the early late 80s and early 90s but it wasn’t
Until we kind of like migrated to full-blown you know just robbery robbery that uh the police began to take notice and they kind of tracked it down to a particular kind of gang within a a high school and you know got arrested you know and ended up serving uh one year in
A juvenile in a juvenile detention center so that’s kind of like where it started for me so I might have been like around maybe uh 14 going on 15 around around there I don’t exactly remember when but I know exactly when I went to Riker’s Island though I was already 16
Going on 17 and then the rest of the nine-year prison sentence was was in jail okay so this makes sense okay so you were in prison for nine years and you got you became a pastor in your mid to early 20s okay so why were you incarcerated for nine years though what
Was that about I got sentenced to three to nine years initially I was going I was facing 21 years in prison because I had a multiple string of robberies um and they were making them concurrent and they offered me 20 21 years and here’s where my story and maybe I should write
A book on it I just never wrote my testimony on a book uh from 21 years I was taking the case to trial one day I walk in the courtroom and I Heard a Voice voice that spoke to me and said they’re going to offer you uh 3 to nine
Years say yes and when I turned there was no one there so when I said who’s speaking to me the light uh the courtroom had the word In God We Trust the word the the word god light flashes started coming out of it and like within
Like like 30 seconds my lawyer shows up and he looks at me and says I’m going to try to get you a 3 to nine years do you want to take do you want to plead to that and I just said yes he goes up front you know has uh this dialogue with
You know with the judge came back and said the judge would take it if you plead guilty and I took a plea bargain from 21 years to three to nine years um and kind of like that’s how I ended up serving uh my prison sentence so when I went Upstate uh downstate correctional
Facility and anyone that’s watching you can kind of look it up my name is in the system um I had a Christian officers Christian correction officers that were preaching the gospel to me and and I ended up having a supernatural Encounter With Jesus uh he came in my cell and he
Spoke to me in my right ear and he said follow me um I felt utterly sinful I repented of my sin was born again and I carried out the rest of my prison sentence uh as a Christian in prison and that’s when I received the call to
Ministry in prison and when I was released met my wife married her very quickly uh her dad was the pastor and then like two years into our marriage the denomination move my pastor which is my father-in-law to another church and ask me if I would take over the church I
Said yes I just was like okay and I’ve been pastoring this may of 2024 makes 20 years serving as lead pastor of you know in the pastorate you know so it’s been a really long journey halfway through that I embrace deliverance and and here we
Are so it’s been a long journey of just you know to where we’re at and I give God the glory it’s been a it’s been a wild ride it’s been a wild ride when you were a teenager and you heard they’re going to give you three to nine years or
Three to nine years right um did you even know anything about the supernatural because the fact that you heard an audible voice that you thought something was there were you thrown off or did you just think you were going crazy or what was in your mind I didn’t
Know what to think it happened so fast the voice was audible um I was a sinner at the time I was a again remember they were I was being offered 21 years I heard the voice tell me I’m going to make them give you
A three to nine year you are to say that you did it because I was on my way to trial um and when I heard that voice initially I said who was that who’s speaking to me and when I turned around there was nobody around me when I looked
Up the word God was like there was light flashes coming out of it and I knew God was talking to me I knew God was talking to me and I just initially internally I just said okay like all right like if they’re going to give me from 21 to n
That’s half that sounds like a good deal to me you know what I’m saying so like my lawyer shows up you know and he just looks at me and goes uh I’m gonna try to get you a three to nine year prison sentence would you like to take that
Plea and then I was just like yes sir he was like okay and like it happened so fast that even my family that was in the courtroom were a bit shocked because you know this is something that you discuss with your family you know like okay are
We gonna what you going to do in the case my grandmother and this was a paid lawyer like my family had a paid lawyer I come from a very good family you know my grandmother just looked at me and was like what is going on and I was like on
My way back into the prison I was like I’ll call you and explain what happened my family’s Christian like my family’s Christian so they would understand like God spoke to me and told me take take a three to nine year prison sentence you know what I’m saying so I didn’t know
Now I know God all things work together for the good to them that love God and are called the C now that I I’m doing what I’m doing I understand that it was God’s Sovereign hand that the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord God was
Guiding every step of the way even from the juvenile detention center to getting arrested at an early age to facing all of these years God’s hand was Sovereign because this was for me to have the judge throw throw away the key or for me to be dead dead or you know um just
Living the normal statistic of the early 90s in New York City and I am a testimony that you know God’s hand was on my life and and here to God be the glory that’s good so I mean so when you got born again in prison were you evangelizing I mean because you
Evangelize now you Pastor now but were you evangelizing were you telling everybody I met Jesus what what did you do when you in prison and how was prison life for you being okay initially no and yes all right because I was new to the Christian faith and I had this
Supernatural encounter in my prison cell um here is how I began to evangelize because I was a smoker in the prison so I had these carton of cigarettes so now the next day after I have this Born Again experience this is a really crazy story um and I go to smoke a cigarette
The next morning and a voice the same voice speaks to me again and says you don’t do that anymore and then I remembered what happened to me the night before and I go oh oh my Lord I’m a Christian now so what I did was this is
How everyone found out I was a Christian you know cigarettes in prison is money in this like in the street it’s like money so I go around and I I sell my cigarettes for food because I was like man I’m not gonna throw this away so I
Go around and they go you don’t smoke no more and I go nah because I’m a Christian and they were like all right so they gave me commissary in return for the cigarettes they were like you you what and I was like yeah I’m a Christian
I don’t smoke so let me you know do you want these cigarettes give me give me you know give me food in exchange for it so I went around selling my cigarettes selling people that I’m Christian and that’s how my friends found out like yo you you you do the church stuff they
Didn’t initially believe me uh and it wasn’t until maybe like two to three years later that many of them were coming to me at the chapel and saying you know I’ve been watching you for two years I think you’re real with it I’d like to ask Jesus to become my Lord and
Savior so I ended up winning them over to the Lord at least maybe two to three years later as they as they watched my life in the prison so crazy crazy story it’s been it’s been absolutely a long journey for me you know Alexander I really like how and you mentioned this
In your book too we’re going to talk about it main thing is talking about it but this secrets to generational curses you mentioned that because you said that in your book you you can tell a person like the Bible says by their fruit and by their trees and the fact that you
Said your friends didn’t believe you but they watched you for two years and so which means you were a really transformed person in order for them to say okay this guy’s the real deal because a lot of people say they’re saved and they act just the same as they
Did you know before they got saved and nothing had changed that’s exactly what happened you know and many of them not only that but this is also a testimony uh many of them when they came home have attended my church they’ve passed through the church or I’ve run into them
On social media and go by by the way are you this person that was I was locked up with on this day and I go yeah that’s me man wow you’re still in church I was like where are you now like I’m in New York I’m like come visit me in my church
I’ve baptized at least two of them two of them that came home um I married one of them you know so it’s been crazy n wow and watch this I’ve gone back into the prison uh to do prison ministry and in one of the prisons one of my
Cellmates was doing uh was walking by the chapel and he heard my voice and he was like that sounds like brother Alex but brother Alex been home like 10 years ago and he comes into the chapel and it’s me preaching and I actually saw my cmate you know uh and he was just
Shocked that I’m still preaching and that I’m coming in as a prison volunteer so yeah man it’s been pretty wild to me in my prison experience in my you know my conversion how was prison for you like was it were you content there were you not content there was it I know it’s
Not safe but like how did that life look for you oh first let me say this prison is not like television it’s not like it’s not like the TV shows that you see um pretty much people are just doing their time and want to go home home now
Yes there’s gang activity yes there’s a lot of the stuff that you see the stereotypical uh things that go on in prison but it is not like the way um that it makes it out to be on television like like you’re living in Rome in the Gladiators you know it’s not it’s not
Like that mostly everyone’s just looking to do their time you know but I would say this you know it is a terrifying place except that it’s not uh there’s not daily Terror going on it’s just a terrifying place I wouldn’t wish anybody to be in prison who doesn’t deserve to
Be there you know so why do you say it’s terrifying because you’re still in jail and you’re and everyone that you see uh in television uh that were menaces to society you’re in the same room with them the people that you actually saw on television you’re actually eating with
Them in the in the cafeteria the mess hall and like and these individuals you realize they deserve to be there like they just deserve to be there like they are really uh mines to society so you end up meeting these individuals and you’re like wow you know you just and you know you’re
Not like that but you’re like man I can see why you’re like that and you need to you need to stay here you know so yeah it could be it could be menacing to to be but it’s not like every day you have to like be fighting it’s that’s that’s
Televis that’s television stuff it’s not like that I’m glad you clear that up okay so you get out of prison and then you say you met your wife how did you meet your wife and you said you married fairly quickly what is fairly quickly okay so I came out of prison and
Everyone had heard about my prison conversion so I was kind of like traveling as an evangelist sharing my testimonial of my prison conversion you know this was in uh maybe late 90s late 90s um and I was preaching at a church and her dad was a
Pastor at the church I was at the radio station that the church had a Christian radio station so her mom was like like man I I would like for you to keep coming every day and just you know get the young people to listen to the show
We like how you preach stuff like that so um I ended up meeting her daughter her mom introduced me uh to her daughter and one of my friends who was an evangelist with me was like who’s the young lady that like I see you talking
To every day I was like oh that’s the pastor’s daughter and he was like I think she like you man like you know like I think like talk to her and I was like you know the following day in my head I had my friend in my head say yeah
I think she kind of like you you know so I don’t know like I started talking to her I was like would you like to go on a date which was the M the Christian date is the movies you know like would you like you want to go to the movies
Something and then I enjoyed being with her and like after about maybe three months and I don’t recommend this to anybody you know um because it really was three months um I asked her hand in marriage with her dad in three months and we’ve been married 24 years wow
Years yeah so wow um yeah I met her at the church and her dad was the pastor he married us and obviously he was like take over the church you know like it made sense my son-in-law my daughter you know take over and um here we are years later was
Good he trusted you okay so what in the world got you on to generational curses and why did you feel the urge to write a book on it preach about it travel about it I used to preach against it I You Preach I preached against understand I’m
A graduate of biblical Seminary so um obviously Bible Seminary not all but I would say the large percentage of them do not really get into demonology they briefly touch the topic and you can forget about you know deliverance and generational curses so I spent a large percentage of my early years in Ministry
Preaching against deliverance and then it wasn’t until the Advent I call it the Advent of this of this that was introduced uh to the church so when I was first pastoring um there was no cell phones there was no computers it was it was nothing as a matter of fact when I
Met my wife we had pagers in New York we called them beepers right so um with the Advent of modern technology to the uh to the average Christian um was the introduction of pornography to my church when porn hit our church um the spiritual climate of our church went from heightened
Pentecostalism because we were Pentecostal right to now um all the men in our church were enslaved to pornography why because when I was first started pastoring you had to go to a porn store in Time Square to be able to look at at pornography or the local grocery store Bodega right and um
And you had to be 18 years of age unless someone you know would let you watch it now porn is on your phone porn is being introduced to your phone so the spiritual climate of my church changed so now men the men of our church are
Like asking for prayer and like it was just like and I didn’t know how to help them I thought I would tell them just fast more just pray more submit more to God resist the devil and he will flee I did all that and I’m not saying those
Things don’t work they actually work but there were various individuals that it just didn’t work for you know for whatever reason they needed a little bit more help and the only thing when so I thought I naturally did what any Pastor would do pray more fast more seek the
Lord more uh it made it worse I don’t know what happened it just it just was just it just was worse like things were like everybody was struggling with so I went to pray and I said God what am I doing wrong as a pastor like what am I
Doing wrong right and here’s the thing that I failed to mention is in me trying to help them I had a brief moment where I got addicted to it for a brief moment so now I’m struggling as a pastor and they’re struggling in helping trying to
Help them that thing jumped on me you know so I’m like whoa what is going on here so now I’m like God what is going on I’m trying to help people now I’m addicted to it like what is going on so I said God you’re G to have to speak to
Me or I quit the pastoring that’s what I said I said Lord you speak to me or I’m done and he said deliverance and I tell God no I tell God no cuz I’m the guy preaching against it doing Bible studies against it you know and he said deliverance and I said
Absolutely not Lord no no and this is the thought that came to me and I’m gonna be very honest with you what do you got to lose son you’re already addicted to it what do you have to lose there’s something about desperation and this is why I call it the gift of desperation
When you’re desperate enough your rigidity in theology becomes flexible wow your rigidity becomes flexible what you used to say I’ll never do that now because you done lost at all you you desperate so I said this to the Lord I said Lord I don’t believe a Christian
Can have a demon my theology doesn’t allow me to believe that the Holy Spirit and a demon can live in the same place I said but if this is not of you you’re going to have to stop me because I don’t know what else to do and I went in that
Direction and people started getting free people got free free I got free and when I got free I made all of our leadership go through deliverance and they got free now keep in mind there was no Alexander Pagani the seet of Deliverance or the secret there was no books out there the only
Ones that were out there was Derek Prince Lester somr and like Apostle John eart like that was it and this was you had to get a book you had to have the book it wasn’t no they weren’t teaching that on Christian television so I embraced it pure virtue of desperation
And the more that I explored it the more that I got convinced doctrinally that it was there and I said oh my god what have we been preaching all of these years so in my response to repentance to that I had been preaching against it for so long
I did what zakus did remember when zakas said Lord if I have stolen anything I’m going to give it back I’m going to give it back Sevenfold that’s what I did I had preached against Deliverance for so long I said you know what I’m GNA dedicate the rest of my years making up
For it in restitution I’m going to preach Deliverance to make up for the years that I preached against it I just didn’t know that social media would take our ministry Global and then we ended up on every major Christian Network ministered to Kings in Nigeria our books became number one bestseller we’ve been
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Generational curses and warfare what did they teach you in order for you to believe such things the more nominal safe version of demonology which means the existence of the de of of uh the dark side you know the effects of sin and potentially opening the door to the
Devil the devil in eschatological events in the end times the Antichrist the Beast the world system you know uh blinding the mind of unbelievers you know the typical normal thing a fall you know a fallen angel that rebelled against God cast to the Earth the God of
This world that blinds the minds of unbelievers you know attacks the de attacks the church with wrong principle wrong thinking as opposed to you know um getting in there you know with Deliverance needing Deliverance maybe oppression you know the devil on you but definitely not in you that’s as far as
It went like and and then being told don’t emphasize on him at all so the average Evangelical Church maybe on around October because of maybe Halloween they might go into maybe some spiritual warfare like so when I look back at at the years that I was pastoring I could honestly say I never
Taught on the devil on anything spiritual warfare just everything for me was as a matter of fact I used to tell people it’s not the devil is you like that was kind of like the basis of many of my sermons this is not the devil stop over blaming the devil
Everything is not the devil you know I went into that and people coming up to me for prayer and it was funny like throughout the years I had people that would demonized come to me and ask me for help because it’s funny you know we preach against the devil but then our
Altar calls we telling people if you’re oppressed by the devil come up so it was like like a double-minded theology but not in the sense of making it you know my business to personally you know really teach on like what we do now on you know Christian opening the door to
The devil and potentially be demonized and even having a generational curse you can forget about it I was open to the idea that maybe a Christian can be uh can be oppressed but a Christian could not have a generational curse that’s false Doctrine and now I have a
Bestselling book on the secrets to generational curses come out you’re going to come out in the name of Jesus Jesus get out here Jesus name no no you can’t be me J I won’t listen to you come in Jesus name I want you to repeat after me Lord
Jesus Lord Jesus Set Me Free set me free I out of leave in Jesus name leave in Jesus Name isn’t isn’t that like a an oxymoron that God would just take the like a Sal of tarus just take the guy preaching against it and and make became like the spokesman for yes so always set you straight and he did set you straight so
Let’s get right into it okay for one for those who may have grown up in religion may not know much maybe those who don’t even know about you know generational curses Alexander what is a generational curse a generational curse is a warranted verdict upon a person a family
A group of people that committed a sin and a transgression against against God’s law like I said that warrants it all right so let me give you an example witchcraft will 100% produce a generational curse why because witchcraft is under the category of an Abomination so anything that is
Categorized as an abomination in Scripture will produce a generational curse now not all sins produce a generational curse because we don’t want the church to be generational curse phobia or generational curs minded but there are some things that will produce the shedding of innocent blood will produce a generational curse where what
Does that mean with the courtroom of Heaven is allowing the Devil to run wild on a particular family where you and I would see hereditary patterns of behavior that is transferred from one generation to the Next Generation so your great-grandfather was into Witchcraft and an alcoholic your father
Was an alcoholic you struggle with alcohol and now your kids are struggling alcohol generational curse that’s there see what I’m saying now maybe they don’t they might not like the term and I kind of talk about that in my book hereditary patterns of behavior that we see transferred from one generation to the
Next a lot of people don’t even know what certain things are considered witchcraft they just think it’s normal or it’s something that their family have commonly done so it’s not witchcraft to them what are examples or what are the most common examples of Witchcraft well one if you’re into religions like wickah
You know and um even Freemasonry can kind of jump in there um um in uh involved in Voodoo like many of us that are Caribbean and African we kind of kind of lean towards there and then others is Satanism um secret societies um organizations that cause you to take
Various Oaths uh that require maybe some level of blood exchange contracts you know some sometimes business owners in order uh to get their businesses to uh be uh prosperous might make uh particular packs uh with the Demonic in exchange uh for you know blood rituals blood sacrifice so those are some of the
More outlandish some of the more uh out there for it but then also the Bible says Rebellion is as the sin of Witchcraft because the word witchcraft doesn’t necessarily mean Satan worshipper it means the craft of a witch manipulation so if a person is manipulative we see that in Bloodlines
You know our great-grandmother was very manipulative holds the family in hostage our mama was manipulative you’re a manipulator our kids are manipulating generational curse see what I’m saying so it and it requires a different level of prayer and repentance to be able to sever it but the great news is is that
Jesus is the curse breaker and the blood of Jesus can sever every generational curse amen yes he can I totally agree but I want to touch on two things that you mentioned one what are the common curses that you see on a family that are under Freemasonry whose
Grandfather was a Freemason or whose father anybody what kind of curses do you typically see within a family I’m glad that you asked that because we actually present we are presently seeing it more and more we’re getting a lot of Freemasons attending our church services
Looking to Be Free as a matter of fact if your viewers will go to my YouTube page I have a couple of videos there of leading some Freemasons um through some through some personal personal Deliverance um but the number one thing that I have seen and I
Don’t I don’t want to make it an absolute but I I have something that I’m looking into an investigating and I see it a pattern there is terminal sicknesses a lot of of Freemasons um end up in uh getting cancer or some sort of really uh you know habitual within a lot
Of family members there’s a lot of terminal sicknesses within the bloodline that are irregular and are abnormal to them but if you trace uh the the involvement into you know Freemasonry like 90% of them I I just happen to acent let me ask you this question is your family to Freemason me
They’ll be like oh my God yes my my grandfather my dad is a Freemason or my mom is into the Eastern Star or involved in some sort of you know secret society that’s what I have found now I’m not let me just go on and say this not all
Cancer we don’t want to make a you know we don’t want to be legalistic with my statement all right um but what I have seen is that a lot of terminal sicknesses are the direct byproduct of their bloodlines involvement in free and Eastern Star and Shriners a lot of
Shriners and those that are involved in uh kns of Columbus and those type of organizations you find a lot of which is the reason why watch this many of those organizations give a lot to hospitals they even own them theyers Hospital yeah right because many of their adherence um and disciples are
Sick with terminal terminal sicknesses and their family members okay so here’s another one so common so accepted fraternities and sororities because it’s the cool thing to do to be a part of Brotherhood or Sisterhood what does I mean could you touch on that because a lot of people really don’t know okay so
I’m gonna say this and again what I’m saying is purely experiential it’s my personal experience and my involvement in um I’ve done thousands of one-on-one Deliverance sessions and been involved in hundreds of schools of Deliverance in various churches here’s what I have seen 99% of the time and I’m only being
Modest without having to say 100% but 99% of the churches that I’ve gone to uh with the ministry of Deliverance or School of Deliverance or mass Deliverance that I have seen that have the least and almost no manifestation in the event are pastors who are involved in
Fraternities H and pastors let’s say if they’re a female Pastor who are sorority sisters somewhere I don’t know what the connection is but some of the most driest boring schools of Deliverance that we have held all over the country have been at the churches where the
Pastor is currently still or used to be involved in some sort of chai alphab beta and I don’t know what it is that’s there but there’s something spiritual that’s there where it’s harder for those pastors to make now they’ll Embrace Deliverance for the church but for some reason the church service is really
Struggling to like it’s not my Norm like your viewers could go on our page our YouTube and social media accounts and see every time we host a mass deliv it’s it’s it’s amazing it’s it’s intense it’s wild it’s beautiful immense manifestation most of the time the ones that have the least amount of
Manifestation is usually there’s something there so I don’t know what it is I haven’t investigated it thoroughly but there’s definitely a spiritual component uh to that in regards to fraternities and sororities and right now most of the Deliverance ministers that I know we’re actually investigating more into that because there’s not a lot
Of content on there with people that have investigated internet there’s something there there’s something spiritual going on there so interesting so basically a lot of the really dry dry churches or a lot of times the pastors were in some kind of sorority or fraternity there’s no power there
There’s something going on there now they’re open to it but there’s something that there’s some kind of there’s something blocking there’s a blockage there and I have and I I think it has to do with maybe they think that being in a sorority and a fraternity might be
Harmless to them like it’s just a sorority these are my frat brothers I don’t know what it is there just whatever allegiance that there is there I find that it it it provides a a block to the full manifestations of the holy spirit in the churches in you know you
Mentioned something else too is that you said churches like that are the places where you see the least manifestations so if you see manifestations what does that mean in your church meaning people that are open to being delivered uh people that are after they obviously ask Holy Spirit for
Confirmation you know Deliverance is new to the hearer for many times when we go to a church so as a good Berean you have to test what you’re listening to so after you test it the Holy Spirit Bears witness and say this is of me I need you
To get the Holy Spirit starts revealing to them where they need to get delivered from and immediately after that like it’s it’s common in Mass deliverance and deliverance services that while you’re teaching manifestations start happening you know demons start screaming there’s resistance and and and and what it does
Is it opens the door to fully the Holy Spirit starts moving and delivering instead of cap is free what happens is um nothing like that happens in regards to those in those other churches so it’s like it’s just nothing so we have to like call people and encourage people
Okay guys open up and it’s and you don’t see them opening up it’s it’s very intellectual you know there’s hardly not a lot of people opening up it’s it’s hard like like the at osphere is heavy you know like oh man what’s going on here the minister is really struggling
To make a point across there’s just something that’s just there and sometimes the pastor doesn’t even realize it because they’re open for it but if you dig deeper what I have found when I go into the pastor’s office you can see it all over the wall you know
Like the plaques and the the Frat brother stuff and the pictures and I go so I just made that connection I go there’s something going on here oh and also with the pastors that have renounced that Deliverance happens immediately Revival explodes in their churches so there’s something there so
What I’m saying is not like just an observation this is something that like God is bearing witness that explore it more because there’s a lot of pastors that are involved in fraternities as a matter of fact many of them are frat brothers and were given churches and the
Frat brothers and the organizations are the one that still fund their churches and their buildings you know I’ve preached in builds true story I did a a mass Deliverance in a building that was owned by Freemasons oh I believe it because it’s all like that in
Connecticut oh yeah oh yeah and it was rough I had to break through and they were in the back the Shriners they were in the back in the office because we they rented the building and it was it was like oh my God you know but you know
Okay so you know what speaking of all this stuff so in your book you mentioned that generational curses occur by ignorance inheritance or invitation could you break those three down because like you said sometimes it’s ignorance sometimes inheritance or sometimes it’s just by invitation what do you mean by
All that ignorance is very simple you don’t know what you don’t know so obviously most of us have no idea what our great great grandfather um did during his life but if they if our great great grandfather uh committed Abominations before the Lord obviously um judgment is going to be
Carried out so some sometimes you know um we just don’t know you know or a Christian commits a sin that to them don’t know is actually an Abomination let me give you an example there are a lot of Christians that are into new age they don’t know like they straight up
Yoga like they just they just be Yoga Yoga in it up you know like it just it is now you know now it’s not a Salvation issue but now you got churches practicing yoga like in the church you know in the church uh you know Sanctuary you know whatever it is so ignorance
Number one you don’t know what you don’t know just because you don’t know it doesn’t mean God is isn’t pleased with it see what I’m saying number two inheritance obviously genetically great-grandfather’s an alcoholic father’s alcoholic you were genetically disposed to it your children are doing it you get saved but then your Christian
Still struggling with alcohol see how that works this is why Paul said be transformed but wait a second I thought we were transformed already through New Creation wait is ah bingo so that means we’re transformed but we’re transforming see be you transformed by the renewing of your mind see how that works all
Right and then the third one is obviously invitation where we willingly let me give you an example all right a a person that’s a Christian that’s married and then just willingly commits adultery just willingly just commits adultery goes out there and just goes and and he
Does it well obviously what you think is going to happen you know adultery is that serious in the courtroom of Heaven which is why Jesus talked a lot about it you know he actually said if you look at a woman to lust you’re committing adultery he said if you remarry you’re
Committing adultery is huge in the courtroom see how that works so if someone goes out and commits adultery it’s not just a sin that you’re committing it’s the lives that are affected as a result of that your kids lives are affected your spouse’s lives are affected if you’re a pastor your
Church is embar embarassed if you know your family’s embar it’s a lot it’s an ecosystem it’s a system a network of hurt that happens so adultery is a sin that if committed willfully will open the door to a generational Cur this is why nine out of tenen times watch this the spouse
Commits adultery what happens the spouse that’s on the receiving end gets mad and they commit adultery in response to that adultery and then right and then the children commit adultery in their marriage hello you initiated the generational curse but I have good news I don’t care who initiated it whether it
Was you or three or four generations back Jesus is the curs breaker and he will break it no matter how many generations in you are in the curse Jesus became the curse and he broke it through the efficacy of his work on the cross call on Jesus for he is a curse
Break and he will sever it so guess what I don’t care how long the curse has been in the bloodline the curse ends with you the curse ends with you you’re going to be the one to break it and I want you to write it in the chat room or if you in
The in the put it in the comments I am a curse breaker it ends with me in Jesus mighty name I like that I am a curse breaker I love that you know speaking of that I have two things for you I’mma start with the first one there was a
Woman who came to me and she said you know me and my husband were born again we have two small children but my in-laws are involved in witchcraft they go to psychics you know they do all these weird things and she was like are my will my kids be affected by this you
Know even though we’re born again because of their grandparents will my kids now have a curse on them the answer is no and yes all right no and yes no the angel of the Lord encamps around them that fear the lord and delivers them all right yes in regards to how
Much and how much influence you allow your children to be influenced by their grandparents so that’s how that’s what happens so it’s kind of funny your kids are fine when they’re in your house they go hang out in your family memb house for a weekend and then they come back
And your kids are acting funny see how that works because the level of influence and then how much because of their ignorance how much level of influence they allow their grandparents to pour into to them so this is why uh you have to cover your children with the blood of
Jesus when they going back and forth in your home so when I let my kids to go out um and obviously you let them go out and play or whatever when they came back laid hands on them and I blessed them or I blessed them on the way out Lord I
Protect my children on the way out because they’re not going to be in my care that they’re in your care Lord so the answer is no because we don’t want you don’t want your view is to be fearful and and cursed conscience and Demon conscious no no no he whom the sun
Sets free is is free indeed but also we don’t want our your listeners to be ignorant of the devil’s devices so it’s no and then yes it depends on how much influence you allow and how much coverage you apply man that’s a good word right there that’s a sermon itself
All right that’s a sermon right there okay so let’s talk about this because you talked about the renewing of your mind and this is a big thing lately it’s been around for about I would say on the Forefront for about 10 to 15 years um mental illness is that a
Generational thing because now you have commercials saying you know um mental illness or even depression depression is a disease and it’s a forever thing and you can never get rid of it you just have to keep coping with it what do you say about that is that a generational
Curse okay well number one the devil is a liar you can get rid of anything God never intended for you to have so if you’re watching me depression doesn’t have to be a part int intrical part of your character your personality or your life you can get rid of it through
Scripture daily renewing the mind and developing intimacy with the Holy Spirit through prayer and he whom the sun sets free is free indeed my answer is a little bit more balanced than maybe some of my Deliverance counterparts I do believe that um there are generational curses that do in evolve uh the mind
That can produce um mental illness schizophrenia bipolar I do believe that there are generational cursors that spe uh specialize or you know in regards to that but at the same time I don’t believe every cause of mental illness is the direct result of a generational curse it we we we would the Christian
Would have to troubleshoot to see what is the determining Factor you know sometimes people have grown in very harsh harsh environments and their environment has broke them let me give you an example I know like we mentioned that I you know I did time in prison a
Lot of inmates are sane when they go into prison and then become insane while being in prison why because their environment is imp is oppressing and their environment breaks them kind of like you know people living in third world countries you know in some of the most severe uh harshest environments of
The earth you know you find that there’s a lot of mental illness in those environments why because they’re living in impoverished environments so um they might not necessarily be genetically predisposed to that the environment is caused that all right sometimes your eating habits what you’re eating if
You’re eating intake that is all of these processed foods well what do you expect to happen you’re not drinking you’re not you’re not drinking enormous amounts of water you’re not sleeping well what do you think is going to happen your body is going to break down
And then there’s going to cause there to be some sort of mental malfunctioning uh you know going you know going going on there um also um you know well then you know I don’t want to get too too conspiratorial here you know it could you know it could be that there
Is an agenda that’s out there to cause people uh to feel like there’s an agenda of information being told to you by this tell more tell more tell more right right to make you believe that you have a need and therefore you know you need some Pharmaceuticals you know so I wouldn’t
Pass that if they can make you believe it on here and that the information is all that’s being given to you well amen and you’re gonna feel like that’s all that’s all that you need you know um yeah and but then there is a demonic agenda that comes from down there it’s called
The spirit of phakia all right and it’s where we get the word pharmaceutical and Pharmacy but notice how the scripture doesn’t call it that the scripture calls it divination it calls it a div a spirit of divination so obviously there is a demonic component and element mental illness
That I would say don’t discount include it in your assessment and you’re going to find that a large percentage of the people dealing with mental illness are having issues with demons and if you treat it as such you take them through Deliverance you break the generational curse of mental illness in the bloodline
You’re going to find you’re going to see absolute we have people in our church that we broke the generational curse of mental illness and they are doing very very outstanding Christ chrans and outstanding citizens and they have no need for medicine and no need for therapy so
We’re seeing both so I try to be balanced I don’t want to say everything is a demon because I don’t believe in that but at the same time I don’t want to say that everything is not a demon when it clearly it is and can be a demon
I do have a question for you you mentioned at the very beginning of the answer that there are generational curses that you know are linked to schizophrenia and bipolar would you mind sharing a few of those with us well I think you already named them all right
So um the Christian doesn’t have to become an expert in demonology to know the name of every demon but if you can uh if you can identify its function like you don’t have to know the name of the spirit but if you could identify the function and you can identify the spirit
In which that that function is carrying it out I think you’ve named it I think this me personally I don’t want your viewers to throw stones at me but I think schizophrenia is a is a demon I think it’s a generational curse that’s just me you know um why because the idea
Of Salvation is when we get the word wholeness from the idea of wholeness w h o l e Jesus said if your eye be single then your body will be full of life all right watch this the idea of schizophrenia is multiple personalities well the Bible calls that double-mindedness the Bible calls it
Double-minded and what does it say a double-minded man what is the byproduct of that unstable instability so all of these schizophrenic manif what is the number one expression we see people dealing with schizophrenia is instability instability why because you don’t know if you’re talking to them or you’re talking to some split personality
So I think you know uh uh that uh that that is one that kind of like produces that now here’s what I believe also is causing it uh that’s causing it in this next upand coming generation that’s causing let’s use schizophrenia is this is this right here our this generation is so technologically
Obsessed watch this not only this video games this is a video game generation why because this generation is built on fantasy everything is going on right here my generation we didn’t do that we went outside to play we played with people as a matter of fact the number one thing we
Asked our parents to to reward us in anything for good behavior was can we go outside like can we go outside what was the number one thing our parents punished Us in in our generation is you can’t go outside you can’t go outside right we played with people you talked
With people right now these this generation talks with people people next to each other with this you could be sitting with each other at the table over dinner talking on this literally talking on this okay so what does this mean this generation is so uh it’s interwoven into the personality and the
Fabric of the mindset of the gener fantasy daydreaming uh video games role playing uh games like you know games like games like this here’s something that there a this is a discovery that I’ve seen all right uh and you can actually go look this up there is a
Uprise of children you know having like this uh uh extreme forms of Tourette’s but not like the the diag the medically diagnosed one but the the whole tick thing where they’re doing ticks right now watch this where they could trace it it started on Tik Tock oh tick because of tick tock like
That Tick Tock what we made the connection there we made the connection they said that that they started with them because they got obsessed with Tik Tok and I said how come nobody had looked into the name the name is this Tik Tock so and we we saw the connection
There so I think you know modern technology is a root cause of causing there to be this mental breakdown and and yes for many of you they might think okay that’s conspiratorial amen I give it to you but definitely there’s something there that I believe uh is
Headed in that direction and I talk about it I actually talk about it in my book a little bit when I got into the curse of hipop culture I kind of got into that a little bit because this right now you want to see your children
Act up take this away take this away and you’re gonna do you know that my my one-year-old granddaughter literally uh got on my phone so I had my phone with me when I picked her up this was two days ago and she literally scrolled on my phone she took her finger
And went like that she went like that and I I was blown away I said oh my Lord at one she just turn one two months ago so there’s definitely something there that the the generation that we’re going to see that’s going to grow up in the
World that’s of the future is going to be a lot different than than our generation and the world that we were living in wow okay so you mentioned the hip-hop culture the curse of that culture what is that anarchy fatherlessness orphan and Mamon there’s a lot there so wow if you notice that
The hip-hop culture not all of it not the original Tenn of the hip-hop culture which was uh Peace Love fun and social justice that’s that’s different ball game now if you listen to hip-hop culture and those enslaved by hip-hop culture uh and I think we’re the only Deliverance book that ever tackled
Hip-hop culture I don’t know any other Deliverance Minister that had remotely even talked about but it’s Rebellion Anarchy anti-establishment orphan uh fatherlessness um Mamon which mean they’re driven about making you know and making money you know and then they’re driven with Fame everything is I want to
Become famous I want to become famous watch this which means look at this they they would prefer to go viral than have good character if they could catch it on a video and go viral and get Fame because of that to them that’s better than if even if they have to lose their
Freedom for it and spend the rest of their life in jail as long as they say their name and attach their name to that Viral moment then to them they feel that that’s the sum total of life itself you know that sounds like Lucifer’s character doesn’t it 100% it’s
Coming directly from the it’s it if I could tell you what it is and I actually talk about this in the book I think you read it it’s vanity it’s vanity at the source of Hip Hop culture is Vanity as a matter of fact even our social media says look at
My face one of the social media platform actually says look at my face so everything is on here it’s on here it’s on here you know yeah well you know what you put something in your book that’s really interesting and I didn’t know this okay so are generational curses and
Demons linked or maybe another way to put it is a generational curse always a demon no they’re linked but they’re not the same the generational curse to you is an edict um or a verdict rather uh given by the courtroom of Heaven against a person that committed a sin against
The law of God that warrants it now here’s what happens the courtroom of Heaven um issues a consequence for said sin the demons are the enforcers of that curse the demons they enforce the curse watch this so when the person or the believer resolves it through repentance
In the courtroom the courtroom of Heaven issues another uh verdict and then informs the demon let them go release them and then the demons have to stop why because the demons can only attack US unless they have legal access to do so so everything is initiated and dismissed up there
Based on the sins that the human being commits down here and this is why Paul said be angry but do not sin do not let the sun go down on your wrath neither give place to the devil watch this notice how the verse starts off with
Anger but it ends in Wrath see anger it said Don’t Let the Sun Go Down on your wrath wrath but it is start often that said it said be angry but don’t sin why because anger what anger can be justified anger is a legal thing wrath
Is not let me give you an example anger causes Vengeance wrath causes Revenge o see how that works W it’s the same thing so God is saying be angry be righteously angry it’s legal the Bible says God was angry with Saul of Tarsus God or rather King sa God was angry with the
Inhabitants of Nineveh God was angry which means he had the right to be angry right but now the Bible says if you don’t address your anger problem it will turn into rage and then lead to wrath and the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God the Book of James
Says wow well okay so I have another question for you come on because you specialize in this right part of this is a good conversation this is this is a good conversation hoping your viewers are not thinking that we’re just being extended this is a really good
Conversation I agree too and it should be it should be discussed and it should be discussed over dinner tables amongst your peers and family it’s it should become a norm understanding and like we were said earlier before this you know my people perish for lack of knowledge
Which is the Bible says um so I have a question for you because like I said you specialize in Deliverance and you’re with the um demon Slayers and I call it the Breakfast Club of 202 three so the demon slays according to you we’re officially the breakfast
Breakfast club of what was it of 2023 but I can’t say that right because you started what like two years ago so wait 20 of the 2020s the 2020s The Breakfast Club of the 2020s but okay so what have you found has been the hardest strong holds to break when it
Comes to generational curses what curses have been the hardest for you guys even though like it all can be broken we know that but what’s been the strongholds that held on harder than others the religious spirit o the religious spirit of spirit of religion Spirit of legalism
Spirit of uh tradition and the spirit of error which is all under the same category you know you we were talking off the air and you ask me you know like wow you know there’s a lot of attack and stuff like that and what did what what
Did I tell you I said the devil don’t really attack me Christians attack me M I said I don’t get attacked the angel of the Lord encamps around them that fear the lord and delivers them you know I’m saying so we don’t get demonic backlash for teaching Deliverance the only
Backlash that myself and my Demon Slayer uh Partners is is from well-meaning Christians who are vehemently opposed to the ministry of Deliverance you know and who go out of their way to either criticize it stop other is from embracing it or flat out criticize us personally and make videos about us uh
Personally misunderstanding us discrediting us so that way if you can’t stop us discredit us so that way and you know it’s been nothing more than the of us we spend more time defending ourselves with our Christian Brethren than we actually do with SEC the let me give you an
Example the Catholic Church just sent me a letter that they got my book and they love it like you know like uh Sinners reach out to me saying man like I don’t get we don’t get resisted by unbelievers you know like unbelieving organizations are like man this is fascinating you
Know like um no only the church so answer your question Believers other believers our enemy is flesh and blood even though the scripture says we wrestle not against flesh and blood for us we wrestle against flesh and blood it’s our own Christian brothers that fight against us because they don’t
Understand you know the whole idea of you know um just the topic of demonology from a Biblical perspective they only have churchianity it really breaks my heart and now I know I say this a lot of times on my videos but it breaks my heart when I see other believers making videos
About other believers you know condemning them in certain ways but the Bible says you’re supp to go to them don’t make them a public um you know embarrassment when sometimes you’re more than lik the other person is more than likely wrong the person who’s actually making the video about the person that
Forms Discord and it makes the church look in my own words crazy it makes them look bad um so I am so against that and I’m really sorry that you know you guys have to go do that but you know what the Lord gives you thick skin I say like a
Ogre you have layers and it just doesn’t bother you as much anymore you know but um it comes with a territory and you’re battling like you said religious spirits well 100% what we need to do is follow the same example that Christ followed you know um here’s what’s crazy is is
That his scars you know after his glorification still remain you know and there’s a prophetic word that I think it’s in the book of Zechariah where when he returns he’s gonna they’re gonna ask him where did you get those scars and he’s gonna say in the house of my
Friends you know and I think the reason why Jesus left those scars just to remind him who gave him those scars it’s his own people he came to his own and his own received him not you know so what we need to do is this and maybe
This is a word for every Deliverance Minister out there or any Minister that is maybe incorporating into that Ministry Deliverance do what Jesus did Father forgive them when he’s on the cross for they know not what they do which means they’re ignorant he’s basically saying father forgive them for their ignorance
So that’s what I do and that’s what my uh my buddy what we do we spend a lot of time you know praying you know for our Christian Brothers who don’t understand who might be a little bit more on the zealous side and think we’re either teaching false Doctrine you know and the
Second what that does is is when you pray for them sincerely from your heart then Ministry bitterness has no place in our heart so we’re not bitter if a minister doesn’t pray for the blessing of your brothers that are going against you you will bleed into your
Preachings it you will end up becoming bitter you will have Ministry bitterness and then you’ll spend you’ll end up embracing a persecution complex thank God that I say that me and my Deliverance buddies we don’t have a persecution complex now yes there are times where you have to defend yourself
And maybe do a video here or two to kind of explain things but what we don’t have is a persecution complex where you think the whole world is against you no no every Christian is supposed to be a good ban right so maybe they just don’t
Understand and what keeps me at Bay is I was them 10 years ago you know so I know how to handle me so when I see them talking I’m like you sound just like me 10 years ago you know like I’m like okay I know how to
Handle you how do you handle those that are antagonizing you and heckling you with love with love they could fight you on your doct they can fight you on the method they can fight you on they just don’t like you they can fight you we don’t like how you edit your videos but
You know what they can’t fight you on is John 13 love one another and washing their feet so you know what I do with the uh discernment Ministries that have made it their business to fight against the movie you know we released two movies that have been successful you
Know um is I love on them I love them so what does the Bible say you know it says when you love on them he says they will have nothing negative to say Peter says so they’ll say I don’t like the way they teach I don’t believe in that and then
They’ll go but they are nice to me okay speaking about being nice or niceness okay so in your book you also mentioned that um one thing that you did come against you know through the years is the theological belief that because Jesus died on the cross now all we have
Is generational blessings but no longer generational curses could you start off with what is a generational blessing and why that’s not true where that’s only thing we have now and there’s no more generation okay okay so here’s here’s a prime example of a generational blessing in scripture remember the woman that
Point ointment on Jesus’s feet what did Jesus say he said wherever this gospel is preached make remembrance of her which means this is the first time you see Heaven giving out a royalty check agreement you know a royalty check agreement is you’re still receiving dividends based on something that was a
Long time ago right so um not only this the Bible doesn’t call it royalty check all right that’s just New York but the Bible calls it the sure mercies of David the sure mercies means sure means where the contract is which means no matter who’s from David’s bloodline because of
My servant David so what do we find in Scripture God Sayang with many kings that were messing up he said I’m not going to judge you because of my servant David and because of my servant David I’m going to let you you know which means AKA as a royalty check which means
God is holding the blessing so watch this when a Christian or when a person commits an act of kindness of obedience that causes the courtroom of Heaven to be moved by that like Cornelius in Acts chapter 10 God says men because this family serves me so well I’m going to make sure that
Everyone in their bloodline serves me as well this is one of the reasons why I serve God with all of my heart because I want one I love the Lord but two I want the Pagani bloodline to be blessed after me you know where my great great grandchildren are still being blessed
Because of my obedience today do you think God still does that does that yes because he said I will bless to a thousand generations to them that obey me a thousand Generations which means I want a thousand generations of my bloodline to still be blessed see how that works so watch
This you can’t have blessing without curses because it’s the opposite of a curse here’s the thing that we don’t that we don’t talk about in scripture but it’s all over what we would call the law of dualism which means you can’t have one without the other this is why
God said I Jesus said I would prefer that you would be hot or cold what did Joshua say um you know serve the Lord so that you could be blessing at place before you a blessing and a curse what does the Book of Proverbs says death and
Life are in the power of the tongue this is why we have Old Testament and New Testament this is why we have heaven and we have what H hell this is why the book of Isaiah God says behold I the Lord do good and I create
Evil this is why there were two trees in the garden the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil and the tree of life this is why Jesus said that there were two coins two coins that were missing that a person found two coins this is why in
The parable there was the prodical son and an older brother this is why another Parable the Bible says uh a a a a man had two sons one that said I’m not going to do his will and the other one that says I’m going to do his will see what
I’m saying so you have uh you have this law of dualism which means you can’t have one without uh the other why because one substantiates the other let me give you an example you won’t know what love my wife wouldn’t know what true love is unless I’m given the option
To hate her and commit adultery and I reject that then she knows how much I love her why I could tell I’m could tell my my wife I love her with my words obviously I love her I love her I love her right now amen I’m going to shower
Her with my love and she’s going to know that I love her but let’s say someone tempts me to commit adultery that’s more beautiful than her and that she knows that I have a lot to gain with going with this person and I reject the offer of adultery to me and I
Go man I love my wife get out of my face you know right on some New York stuff and my wife finds that out what is she gonna say now I know you really love me because this person had more to offer now watch this Abraham
Now I know that you love me because you did not withhold your only son prior to that Abraham loved God but it wasn’t until he said Abraham come here I need you to give me Isaac and then we know the story and when he went
To kill what did God say now I know or rather not that he didn’t know because he’s Sovereign but now I see that you so watch this now what does this have to do with this whole uh thing very simple It is believed in biblical Seminary that Christ became the curse
Galatians chapter 3: 13 says he became the curse who hung on a tree right amen now what is implied there in many biblical seminaries in the minds of the Believers is this to annihilate it means it doesn’t exist anymore because Christ became the curse curses no longer exist
Because Christ became the curse okay we got a problem here because the same author that said uh Christ became the curse also said is second Corinthians Christ became sin who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him so the same people that are
Crying the curse doesn’t exist because he became the curse should also be saying sin doesn’t exist because Jesus became sin now why because they believe to become means to annihilate from existence watch this but if you say that you are without a sin watch this if you
Say that you’re without a curse the Christian will be like I agree watch this but if you say that you are without sin watch this John says you are a liar first John chapter one says he that says that you are without sin you are a liar and
Darkness and are not in the light but does the next verse say if you confess your sin right he is faithful and just to forgive you of your sin salvation and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness the curse see how that works so both both are there so you
Can’t have one without the other so the watch this so what am I saying Jesus what so then you’re saying man of God you’re saying that the the the efficacy of Christ’s work on the cross wasn’t powerful enough uh to break the power of the curse that’s not what I said that’s
What you’re hearing that’s not what I said watch this said what does the cross uh what does the cross gain us Jesus broke the power of the curse not the presence of curses just like Jesus broke the power of sin but not the presence of sin that’s good that’s what I’m trying
To share in the word why both are still both are still there that’s what I’m saying and that’s what I I’m presenting to the body of Christ that the reason why the church is so jacked up as a New York term uh so jacked up today churches all jacked up is
Because their ignorance of one the ministry of Deliverance and uh the effect of generational curses still active in the life of the believer that they need to renounce and get rid of why do you say that generational blessings can’t be valid in the presence of generational curses because again the
Law of dualism in scripture substantiates the other you can’t have one without the other because then then you would have to nullify all the other scriptures that say behold I place before you blessing and curses so if you remove the curse then it’s just I I place before you blessings I place
Before your blessings it doesn’t fall in line with the logic of scripture because one validates its counterpart you one substantiates the other so if you remove the curses part right let me give you an example to help f help the believer your viewers understand this when we get to heaven
Will hell still be in existence yes because you can’t have one without the other did you see how that works so watch this watch this so now does will hell affect those of us in heaven no but will Hell exist yes will we go there when we get
To heaven no we will forever ever be with the Lord but does Hell still exist of course heaven is more meaningful when you know hell is still alive down there but I’m not there thank God I’m still not there thank God and a million years go by so understanding that hell is
Still down there for all of eternity while you’re in heaven makes it more sweeter to Worship the Lord in knowing that right now hell is still down there but I’m not there thank you Jesus that I’m not founded so that’s what I that’s the the logic that I’m looking at it
That man if it was like that then H God will remove hell God remove sin God remove the curse no he still leaves it there it just doesn’t affect the believer but it’s still there nonetheless that is good that is good you ready to go deeper are you ready to
Go deeper because we’re about to go deeper because I read they would have to go pick up the book now Shameless plug they would have to go pick up that okay fine we’ll touch we’ll go a little deep we’ll go we’ll go six feet not 10 feet how about that okay all
Right because there’s a lot in here I won’t go over the whole we we ankle deep already okay all right um how about we’re going a little bit deeper Born This Way okay I think we’re gonna we’re gonna answer this and then leave it there because I answer this in chapter two of
My book you know um you know I have to be careful how I Shar this but modern modern uh scientists within the last 10 years discovered and your viewers can go look this up um what is called epigenetic modification which means the cells in your body are programmable based on the
Information that it’s given all right once the cells learn the information that it’s given it no longer needs external sources to keep giving it that information and now it’s programmed to do it right this is the reason why when a drug addict gets off of drugs immediately their body goes through
Withdrawals that’s because the cells in their body have been genetically programmed to desire said drug well the same way is with negativity the same way is a l of thinking the same way is whether you have likes or even the same way you have with dislikes right so
Here’s what happens animals do this this is how animals evolve from Wild to domesticated through personal inbreeding watch this let me give you an example which means once the information is known and I’m sorry that I’m being a little bit scientific because I actually break this down but you’re going to see
How biblical it actually gets once the animal reproduces uh the litter that it reproduces now have genetically that information within them so what they do is when those at when those when that litter reproduces among themselves then that litter keeps having that information and with each generation watch this that information gets
Stronger and more normal more stronger and more known that by the time 10 uh litters after the initial animal that learned the information now watch this by Nature those animals are just doing it by Nature what the first animal learn now how does this translate to us
Because it’s all in humans watch this this is why your great-grandfather was an alcoholic and then your father was your grandfather’s an alcoholic then your father’s an alcoholic then you at an early age uh was genetically predisposed uh to uh alcohol and now your kids why because the cells in your
Body retain information watch this when your family reproduces and has children that information goes from one generation to the next and you’re probably saying where can you find that uh in the b in the Bible all right now look at this Jesus said I am the root of
Jesse notice how he didn’t say I am the root of David he said I’m the son of David but he said I’m not the root of David and neither am I the root of Solomon now here’s where I want your viewers to go look this up but this is
Not absolute but this is what is believed biblical Seminary It is believed in biblical Seminary uh that potentially now don’t now for those of you that are watching don’t you don’t have to agree with what I’m about to say but it is potentially believe and you can go look this up potentially believe
That David maybe was the direct result of an affair that Jesse had and you’re agreeing because you’ve heard this you’ve heard this before right that potentially Jesse maybe might have had an affair and David was the result of that this is why when the prophet came
And said bring me your sons David just wasn’t there until the prophet said you have another son and he said oh yeah I have another son he’s over there you I’m saying bring him now watch this why did Jesus say I am the root of Jesse because
Jesus will always want to identify where the root happened and he wants to deal with it at the root now watch this what does this got to do with one generation to the next because what you fail to address in one generation grows stronger in the Next Generation so Jesse maybe
Had one issue where he messed up maybe one time what he failed to fix grew in David and David had multiple wives what David failed to address grew to Solomon and Solomon had 700 wives do you see it growing from one generation to the third that’s that is why Jesus said what one
Man’s lust problem I’m going to fix it at the root I am the root of D I am the root of Jesse which means I’m going to deal with Jesse’s bloodline and I’m gonna fix it at the root because the Messiah needs to come through that so I gotta fix it back
There so watch this what what Jesse failed to fix David picked up with bat Sheba and a bunch of other wives that he took right and we know he had a lust problem because when David was dying they sent a young uh concubine to his
Room to see if he would you know because that was one thing that David had that he couldn’t fix was his lust problem and when they saw that he didn’t touch her they knew the King was dead they said we know he’s dead he didn’t touch her she
Came out the room and was like he didn’t touch me you what I’m saying what David failed to fix with seven wives turned into to 700 wives for Solomon that turned his heart away from god wow this is why Jesus said that yes a person can
Be born that way watch this this is why you must be B again again so you said something that was pretty deep right now just now and it hit it hit I guess a lot of people right now when you said what one generation failed to address is gets
Stronger in the next that is deep because so would you say that it’s harder the deeper a generational curse goes is it harder to break with that family because no one ever addressed it in the past yes Jesus said this particular kind doesn’t come out but by
Prayer and fasting now why is fasting needed in regards to deep entrenched curses because of what I just finished mentioning uh to you but also fasting has a promise attached to it look what it says in Isaiah 58 it says is not this the fast that I have chosen look what it
Says to loose the bands of wickedness it literally just says to loose the that word bands means the ropes that word ropes is a metaphor concerning bloodline issues I’m G to loose the bloodline issues of wickedness that are deeply entrenched that have people tied up so this is why fasting is immensely
Important in the breaking of generational curses process and you can read this in I believe it’s in Mark chapter n this is why Jesus ask the father how long has this been happening to this child and this is what the father said since he was a baby since he
Was a child the devil has been there and the reason why Jesus uh asked that question it was for us to learn that in the future that there are certain curses that can be resolved like this through a simple you know alter call maybe a session of Deliverance and then there
Are others that are deeply entrenched that require a season of repentance of fasting and fasting for clarity God what is going on and then the Holy Spirit begins to reveal that this is what’s been going on in your family son for a couple of generations and you need to
Begin to fix this and go through a season of repentance uh and fix the courtroom issue up here because the issue is not down there son the issue is up here with your family bloodline and we need to get it resolved so I I speak about that extensively in maybe some of
The latter chapters in my book that’s good and once it’s resolved once that generational curse is broken off that family off those people what is their life tend to look like afterward complete 180 turnaround the the hereditary patterns of behavior that they see that have been plaguing them that they’ve either
Embraced as this is how we are you know or that man why does this happen to all of us immediately immediately disappears an instant breakthrough within like within the first I would say at least 90 days you know because it takes time to kind of to notice a change
I would say within the first 90 days they begin to see I would even go a step further for some there’s that 30-day window within a month what normally gets them angry or when normally you see a person that’s angered you just within a month notice like man their whole
Demeanor has shifted like or the uh there uh there’s an immediate increase in promotion in the workplace uh family members who have been dealing with maybe uh miscarriage inability uh to to get pregnant get pregnant like terminal sicknesses uh they get a a clean bill of health from the doctor like there’s just
An immediate uh corporate uh uh you know uh Church curses that keep churches stuck and not growing immediate explosion of Revival hits the church like I would say within 90 this 90day window 90day window but at least within 30 days they can begin to see the change
And then watch this and then children born after them after they break the curse we find that they are born completely with with that thing gone and we see that from a child a whole new a whole new like we would like to say a whole new creature a
Whole new species the first like my granddaughters my granddaughters uh I embrace watch this I embrace Deliverance with my children already born right so they were able to see watch this they were able to see God break the generational curse of poverty over my life because we went from living in a
Drug infested building to now being a first-time homeowner you know in uh you know you know with best-selling author you know traveling the world so my my my sons were able to see God take us from the hood to now being in a really good place but my granddaughters both my
Granddaughters will be born not knowing to them the hood is just the story that my grandfather told me about so their whole lifestyle they were born with me already being a homeowner so they wasn’t like so they already born with the curse broken so they’re not going to know what
It is to be like growing up struggling and you know on welfare and eating government Wick you know eating from Wick checks and they don’t know none of that stuff so to them it’s just going to be like a story but for me I’m gonna be
Able to watch be raised with different a different way of speaking a different way of speaking because you know we spoke different in Philly and in the hood we grew up different our our our speech was riddled with poverty was a lot of poverty talk you know theirs
Is ble talk filled with blessing that’s what they’re going to see and for many of them they’re not even going to know what a curse is is because they’re going to be born within the blessing and that’s a whole another whole another topic there maybe I should write a book
On generational blessing all right that’s two more you have to write and um and one more final question now everyone’s hearing all this they are touched they’re intrigued they feel changed they’re like I’m ready for this how do you break generational curses number one it has to start off with
Personal inquiry of SP in time with God to ask him and to wait for the holy spirit because what I don’t want your viewers to do is think that every source of trouble in their life is a generational curse no it’s just trials and tribulation it’s called life but
What I do say is this if you that are watching feel and maybe discern you might have maybe a generational curse active there then the next response would be is to go into a season of number one fasting I call it the season of revealing you have to have God reveal
It and say Lord I think this is going on and wait for an answer you won’t have to wait a couple of months just give it a couple of days allow the Holy Spirit to detox you from the busyness of Modern Life you know as you spend time with him
Number two is once he reveals it and go yes he’ll give you a dream he’ll give you an impression you’ll just know it or maybe you’ll be talking with your family members and your auntie or your mom would say some story that you never heard and be like why you ain’t never
Tell me that like wow like it’ll just be something that just comes up or especially now in the holidays that we’re coming together with the family something would be said over the dinner table and the Holy Spirit say pay attention to that that’s where the curse is coming from revealing right a
Revealing right number two is after it gets revealed renounce it or rather repent you repent from it you repent saying father I’m so sorry Lord if my family has caused this amount of Abominations and sins before you and caused this amount of pain in other people’s lives father forgive like
Daniel Daniel chapter 10 he repented not only for his sin but for the sins of the children of Israel which means it’s a Biblical concept all right where you just pleading for God for your bloodline right number three is after you go through a season of repentance right you
Renounce you renounce it and renouncing looks like this demon of whatever the Holy Spirit let’s say witchcraft witchcraft is big I command every demon of Witchcraft that has been wrecking havoc in my bloodline since Grandpa saw Anda made a pack in a blood sacrifice with the devil or
Whatever I’m just being extreme and using witchcraft as an example or did a shady business deal and and extorted people out of their money for years whatever the Holy Spirit reveals to you I command you in the name of Jesus get out of my life get out of my family’s
Life I renounce you in Jesus name and I order you to give back everything you stolen from my family and their bloodline and then you start praying Holy Spirit you know you do what you do you know what I’m saying Holy Spirit you know uh get the devil sick them Holy
Ghost whatever works for you you know like I I pray I pray Street stop like Devil get up out of here in Jesus name bounce in Jesus name like I talk Bronx stuff to the devil right so because they Bronx demons so they know they know what
I’m right so you start talking all that stuff right get the devil out kick the devil out go into your kids room and say devil that got my kid hooked on drugs I command you get out of this room in Jesus name get the anointing off anoint your kids computer anoint your
Children’s pillow anoint to anoint your house do whatever you knew have to do go on your property me and my wife did it we we went around the property poured oil around the property get the devil out in case the land is cursed did all
Of that stuff cuz I didn’t know who I was buying into this house I don’t know what they did before me I kicked the devil out of every room got every contract broken and then after that after that ask the Holy Spirit to reoccupy and refill those areas where
That have been filled with Calamity that have been filled with Misfortune that have been filled with lack and just believe God to begin to refill those areas why because you don’t want the devil coming back to an empty house so Holy Spirit I ask that anything that I was lost in this bloodline
I give you permission Lord whatever pertains to my bloodline that has been held back father we receive it into our lives now in Jesus name I receive it from my children however the Holy Spirit inspires you to pray that prayer and you’re going to find some of the most outstanding every
Person I has committed this even churches have done this have received uh within a 90day complete breakthrough and I’m a living witness and watch this when I broke the generational curse of poverty as a pastor because I was pastoring in a storefront Church in the Bronx when I became
Influential and famous in the churches for deliverance I was still broke and this is what I prayed I said Lord let my lifestyle match the Revelation you’ve given me in this and he took me through deliverance and I broke poverty this is a true story when I became a
Homeowner about eight to nine other families in our church also broke the curse in our membership everyone who joins our church this is a true story to this day everyone who joins our church because our church is still in the Bronx becomes homeowners within the first two years wow so you just
Encouraged a lot of people to come and join your church you know that right they’re gonna come flying I can guarantee this and I’m not saying this you know as an exaggeration if you are in the New York City tri state area and you’re not a member of no church I would
Encourage you come to our church and if you like it stay with us but I promise you if if you are renting and leasing I guarantee you within within the first two years God is going to break the generational curse of poverty and I promise you we’re g to have this
Conversation of past I’m thinking about moving into a house I’m moving out of my apartment however and I’m not saying apartment are bad and I’m not saying living in the hood is bad but I am saying that when the head gets the curse broken it flows down to the rest of the
Congregation so the same thing happens with you as a family person if you break the curse in your family it will spill out and transfer on to everyone else in your family and that is 100% because if salvation can be transferred be ye save you and your house blessings can be
Transferred and curses can be transferred that is so good and speaking of churches that’s not the only church you it’s called amazing church right and you have churches all over the United States now you have some in Connecticut you even have some in Colorado Springs oh my gosh amazing Church Colorado so if
Anybody wants to come out there go out there but so what’s the name of your church as well okay so amazing Church Global is the headquarters but we have 16 churches that we’ve established so we have amazing Church Alaska they’re thriving um we have amazing Church in Florida we
Have amazing Church in con uh Connecticut in Bridgeport Connecticut they just got a new property a whole campus and they’ve only been open for two years that’s what I’m talking about we go from renting to actually owning right uh we have amazing Church California we have amazing Church in
Wisconsin Colorado we also have amazing Church in uh Dalton Georgia and in hawasi Georgia we have we just have amazing Church also in um Pakistan and in the Philippines and in Michigan so yes but and they all named amazing Church all right they’re kind of like
All named amazing church so yeah we have amazing churches all over the country but the the covering is called amazing Church Global that’s the headquarters that’s New York City amen so what’s your vision with that how far do you want to go with that what do you see I mean
Amazing church do you want it to be really Global or what do you well we just we just received a prophetic word from one of my spiritual sons that we’re gonna be birthing amazing Church in London and in Europe we’re gonna be doing it you know
Um this is the vision that the Lord has given me to to build while birthing and he gave me uh Exodus chapter 2 where it says the children of isra is were building but at the same time God uh blessed their wombs that they were having so many children um uh while
Because normally when you’re in a building phase you don’t have children because children are a distraction that’s like normal life but that’s not what happened with the children of Israel when they were in Egypt it says that God blessed them while they were building with so many children the Holy
Spirit told us that our movement will be known for two things that we will continuously be building while birthing you know fast so right now we’re thinking about birthing a church in Boston and in Danbury d uh danburry Connecticut and in North Carolina but at the same time the second thing the Holy
Spirit told us that our movement would be uh a earm marker of our movement would be that none of our churches would have any scandals we will be a scandal-free movement of churches and right now all of our churches are scandal-free now some of them are small
And they’re still growing and others are large and established you know um all of our churches um have more than uh 300 members in membership you know and it within two years it just kind of like exploded so even the one in Colorado is fairly new um and they’re growing
They’re growing and they have a good group of people there and a lot of people know that it’s there um and we’re expecting it to um to to grow at a at at a fast pace but uh my my passion has always been I’m a church planter at
Heart many people don’t know that um so they obviously I serve in the apostolic office so I Church planter missionary in case they don’t like the term Apostle you know um um ideally the Lord told me when he called me that I would be a young urban pastor and I would be
Birthing churches and I would be planting them all over the country now I didn’t know that um we would grow at this rapid pace so that’s kind of like new to me um but yeah we’re growing and we’re excited about it I’m looking I want I want to see two things happen I
Want to see people get born again and saved obviously and also I consider our churches to be more Apostolic training h so we want to after they get saved help them grow uh into the unity of the faith but also into their five-fold functioning office in their calling so
It’s not just uh boy and girls club type of church H we we’re we’re I have an Antioch mindset we’re missional in our mindset so we join our church as a matter of fact the church in Connecticut they were only in our church for five years and we launched them with we
Launched them into a church and now they have their own property see what I’m saying so it’s just a beautiful thing that we’re growing I’m looking to establish that everywhere that we grow Apostolic training hubs where it could be both Evangelistic but also missional in its mindset so yeah rather than I’m a
Jerusalem model where it’s one big mega church we will have a million mega churches wow wow you know what before we pray we just hit the skim surface of your book could you just give us a brief summary of the secrets to generational curses could you just give us a brief
Summary of what it’s about because I mean we covered stuff it may seem like a lot deep have so much segments you could break it off into five or six seven eight videos you know if you if you are aware and you’re dealing with hereditary patterns of behavior that you have tried
Everything including a Deliverance session and you feel uh you still are plagued and it goes unresolved then your issue is a generational curse and it needs to be resolved and it can be resolved and I would encourage you Jesus is the curse breaker and he’s standing
There ready to help you get set free one call on him but if you need uh some information that can help you in that Journey then I would encourage you to humbly purchase our book so that way we could give you some keys to help make that process more uh speedily than
Rather than you finding it through trial and error go purchase the book I promise you it’s an easy read it’s very easy read and once you read it allow me to give you some key pointers and point you in the right directions and help you break deep entrenched curses that Jesus
Has been dealing with you in your heart to break and you just don’t can’t put your finger on it but you think it’s a little bit more than just pray for me my brother and sister purchase the book and help me help you get the right protocol
To be able to know where to go and how to do it and watch how Jesus is going to and set you free and break the generational curse not only over you but in your bloodline got the book guys the secret to generational curses Alexander bagani thank you so much and could you
Just end this out on prayer praying for those who are needing who are yearning who are desperate to be free could you just pray for our audience right now because they’re like I need what he is exposing because it’s in the word it’s possible what doctors say doesn’t matter
Because God has the final say the devil’s a liar like you said at the beginning um so could you just pray for them right now well if anything that we’ve said in this uh interiew struck a chord and you would like to learn more then I would encourage you before I pray
For you then just follow our channel on all of our social media Outlets like YouTube and Facebook where we primarily deal extensively with this topic so we could kind of help you along the way so just go and subscribe to us but in the meantime if you don’t have those kind of
Social media accounts but you definitely caught this interview and you need some prayer I’m going to pray that the Holy Spirit would do two things number one bring a great revealing to you and then number two give you a push to do a great resolve so heavenly father I thank you
For my brother my sister who’s sat through this interview and has worked through so much emotions theologically and then emotionally Lord and then spiritually Lord and they’ve come to the conclusion that potentially maybe they might have a generational curse that’s there father but they’re still unclear and maybe even need more clarity
Theologically father Holy Spirit I could talk Lord till I’m read in the face Lord but unless you give Revelation Lord it would just be words on a program on the internet Holy Spirit I’m asking that you would bring great Revelation and insight to my brother and sister that’s watching
Now whether live or on a replay Lord show and pinpoint the root cause Lord Jesus you are the root of Jesse I’m praying that you be the root of my brother and my sister that’s watching whatever last name Lord be the root of their last name and break the
Generational curse attached to their last name Lord and help them discover the root cause of their problem Lord father I pray Lord that you would give them a push forward to not just re reveal it to them Lord where they will wallow in Revelation and and sadness about all that’s transpiring in their
Blood life but no Lord you would push them forward Lord to resolve it I pray that you surround them with the right people Lord people that can help them resolve it through prayer and take them through a Deliverance session Lord but those that don’t have anybody around them Lord you would deliver them
Yourself Lord bring great revealing and help them Lord also Lord to purchase the book Lord to give them an encouragement and some pointers and some tips father I pray Lord that you would break the curse that’s over them now in the name of Jesus and I command by the authority of
The name of Jesus every demon that would come against this prayer I bind you now in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and I bind your works over my brother and my sister that’s watching now and I decree and hand you a cease and a deiss
Order from the cour room of Heaven in Jesus name loose your hold over them now in the name of Jesus and allow them to find the right people to get delivered and get set free now and cry out to Jesus in Jesus mighty name I’m praying holy spirit that you
Lord would respond to this time of prayer and father not only that Lord set them free Lord through your power of the Cross Lord and if they’re not saved get them Born Again Lord in the name of Jesus Christ so father I bless this channel I bless my sister I pray that
Their reach would increase Lord I apostolically bless them give them more reach Lord in this upcoming year that they had in this year of 2023 Lord and I pray Lord that they would Lord Lord get more guests on their show I pray that my sister’s show would be nationally
Syndicated Lord father if they not already are Lord but if they are Lord that it would increase in more Christian television platforms father that it would go beyond social media Lord into television networks and into Lord even secular platforms that looking for good faith-based uh talk shows Lord for their
Channels Lord in Jesus mighty name amen amen amen thank you so much Alexander bani and we’ll have all your contact information at the bottom so everyone if you want to visit his channel any contacts everything we’ll have at the bottom but Alexander Pagani thank you so
Much again thank you for having me on if you’d like to be born again and give your life to Jesus Christ today pray this prayer with me dear Jesus I admit that I’m a sinner and am lost without you I’m convinced that you’re my only saving grace and my only
Hope no longer do I want to do life without you I believe that you came to Earth to die on the cross for my sins rose from the dead 3 days later and are coming back for me one day soon please come into my heart and be my Lord Savior and friend
In Jesus’s name amen if you’ve prayed that prayer get yourself a Bible and read it daily and ask God to interpret every word for you then surround yourself with like-minded Believers in Jesus Christ congratulations and welcome to the Family
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