Announcements I believe Tina has been asked to um or has volunteered to open us with a prayer thank you so much Tina thank you God for everything you do for us every day thank you for filling our minds with your light and filling our hearts with your
Love and showing us the way through your son Jesus Christ thank you to the mentors and our guides for leading us to one another so that we can learn and grow in a community of like-minded souls who value inclusivity and mutual respect let us come as children with our hearts open ready to
Receive your love with joy and wonder help us to share your love and be the light that we are let your light so shine amen so be it so it is thank you so much Tina okay so um we are a member of the United spiritist Federation and so our beliefs are um
Three-fold scientific philosophical and religious uh principles of spiritism and as the spirit Emmanuel has taught us we fly by two Wings charity and wisdom and so as a result result of that we have many opportunities for studies coming together in uh fraternity and we can see every day at um 6 wait a
Minute oh okay so every day at six o’ at 6: PM uh Pacific time there is a prayer and everyone is invited to join you use the same uh WhatsApp or you know same link that you got here this morning and um then Mondays is our uh healing
Services for request for healing from the community so if you have someone you know uh could benefit from some healing and you’d like to add their name please put it in the chat and someone will um get that added to the BS bsh um book and then we have some studies on uh
However before the uh healing session on Monday there is a short study at 6:30 that well people are welcome to join um and we just read some elevated message and then discuss it Tuesday and Sunday we have studies with Divine Light different books that you can read about
Right there and uh you can I believe the link for that is on the website for Divine Light um there is an opportunity for fraternal assistance so if you just like um some some assistance and just connecting with someone about maybe some trials you’re going through or
Experiences you can set up a private appointment and a again if you’re interested in doing that um you I’m not sure I guess you could put it in the chat and someone will help you to get that arranged there’s also book studies on Wednesday and Thursday looks like um
Thursday is living Spring however they do meet in person the second Thursday of every month and um so this really helps to fulfill that wing of uh wisdom but also gives us the opportunity to come together in uh fraternal assistance as a sister Brotherhood and then we will just say
That there will be a short break and then we’re going to have our virtual healing passes uh where your Mentor will be working with you and benefactors to help you receive the healing energy and at that point if you have names of loved ones or people you’d like
To involve with in this healing you might want to have a picture of them or maybe write their name down okay so uh now I’m going to introduce our speaker today which is Mark Carlos hello Mark and it the uh title is this the matter of spirit or am I saying that
Backwards Spirits your spirits matter your spirits matter yeah okay so Mark Carlos is an American born and bred having lived his entire life in California say for one year he lived in Hawaii he was raised Catholic he left the church at age 16 and was dormant spiritually for almost 30 years when he
Became a father he discovered a power greater than himself and life has not been the same since Mark found spiritism in 2018 and he has learned enough to realize he is exactly where he is meant to be a lifetime musici musician and technologist Mark is now retired focused
On his Spiritual Development and still learning how to fly with both Wings beautiful and we know Mark is a um spiritist um Center junkie so he’s traveled to spear to centers in Brazil and now in Florida and I believe centers out in California as well so Mark has a
Lot to share with us this morning morning so go for it Mark thank you so much for presenting for us thank you Teresa so it is uh oftentimes a wonderful challenge to have an assigned topic for a presentation such as today and as the schedule determined I am going to be presenting specific
Questions from the spirits book and if you have the spirits book book you can follow along your the wording may be slightly different um the essence of each question and answer is still the same and I welcome all interactive dialogue throughout this presentation for each of these
Questions so this is from the chapter General elements of the universe which is chapter two and so when we talk about elements most people will reflect on and use as a basis the table of elements the scientific aspect of all the elements that science uses as the basis for explaining how this universe
Exists in this chapter there are quite a few questions beyond the ones that I will delve into so just as a quick review previously in this chapter questions 17 through 20 deal with the knowledge of the first principle of things and CC tells us that humans and
Their understanding of God is Not ached through scientific discoveries there is no scientific way of defining God scientists may think there is but only after discarnation and as the spirit elevates through multiple incarnations and an understanding of God the Creator the source of everything only then can we begin to
Understand and in questions 21 and 28 We Begin the discussion of spirits and matter and matter is where these references to the elements truly begin and yet we cannot fully understand nor can science confine explicitly a spirit nor matter incomplete and in a complete manner we humans including Advanced Sciences learn
Basic concepts often times without details and yet this does provide a ENT basis for existing and flourishing for how we personally improve and in each of these slides I will end with my own personal thought that this knowledge factor and my perception of spirits and matter with through my own
Experiences not only what I’ve read and been taught and maybe even can prove to myself but also my lack of understanding my lack of information that fully explains to me so I I absolutely support these statements that as humans we cannot yet fully understand nor can science fully put into definition all
That we desire to know so now we get to these specific questions on the properties of matter questions 29 through 34 and question 29 introduces this wonderful word is ponderability an essential attribute of matter and Artic answers through the spirits yes but only as far as humans can actually understand properties elements of
Matter but it does not give us an understanding of the universal fluid because the universal fluid cannot be measured and therefore cannot be fully defined the humans believe we can understand many aspects and some even think all aspects of matter based on what they can measure so here comes this word on
Durability where we question and wonder and explore and research and test and yet the truth is there are certain things we will not be able to achieve a level of understanding and so let’s use gravity as a good example because science has done a great job of defining ing gravity
Measuring gravity based on gravitational pull of planets and stars however Dimensions defined by science do not explain the absence of gravity in the spirit world how can there be an absence of gravity that’s science’s question because in the spirit world there is no weight there is no Direction
There is no way of defining a spirit as it as it is actively moving and so my thought rarely do I find myself pondering the unknown and instead I often Ponder the realities of life and this week it’s a pretty darn good example of that on Tuesday I was in an automobile accident
And I often wonder based on my limited knowledge of spiritism in conjunction with science how things are what they are or why things are what they are and did you know that there is available on the internet a vile called Universal fluid in a condensed fashion somebody has actually packeted
It and marketed but they choose to call the universal fluid I’m that quite human I Ponder why someone would think that an appropriate thing do or even purchase now in this this chapter and in these questions we have a few words being introduced that you may not be
Familiar with so I’ve given you now the word primordial and so question number 30 is is matter composed of one or several elements the answer is one single primordial element so let’s look at this definition being or having been Primary in a sequence of time as fundamental first to play a
Primordial role belonging to a character or characteristic of an early stage of development of an organism or a part and we think about primordial El so if we think about the origin of the earth you might begin to ask yourself what came first air land water
Fire you know God had a plan and a sequence all the bodies that we see as simple are not truly elements but are transformations of primordial elements so again my thought science has proven this over time continually determined what is contained within another entity usually through something like microscopic investigations and there’s some
Wonderful videos on the internet that help science educate we humans of what is contained within an atom what is contained within the nucleus of the atom what is contained within the nucleus and so on and so on but the truth is there is only one primordial element everything else comes from that element
Being transformed so just kind of f this word away primordial because there are references to this basic understanding of what came first so in the properties of manner question number 31 asks us from where do the different properties of manner originate they originate from changes undergone by by Elementary mod
Molecules as a result of them coming together and unionizing but only under certain conditions so there are physical properties and there are chemical properties again the chart of elements physical properties this measuring element that science loves to do measuring length or volume or weight or color or opacity and within that chemical
Properties that are observed and measured as the matter changes is it flammable is it reactive is it toxic is it acidic or alkaline but there are all kinds of properties and so my thought is consider how human life is created scientific aspect of human life science has proven the principle of
Differentiation from both the union and the circumstances from conception through birth or not all humans are created equal now for those of us that are parents we know that it’s a question of timing odds itiming when I meet my mate how we evolve as a couple how we unionize to create life
And the circumstances and even more importantly how each in human sense the male and female had lives before the unioni and what were in those life histories that differentiate us for example I could have been a person that was raised in the city and my mate raised in the country
I could have eaten nothing but processed food she could have eaten nothing but homegrown fruits and vegetables vegetarian style so all these circumstances come together to create the human life that is now going to be conceived and birth and of course not all humans are created equal not all mothers go through
The same hopefully nine month period of pregnancy and have a clean safe normal birth so yes uh I’m sorry I interrupted your thought maybe you want to finish and then I’ll no no I’m just giving examples go right ahead okay so you know I just want to make sure I’m understanding you
Correctly you know with this comment not all humans are created equal and yet we learn in the spirits book that we are all created equal simple and ignorant so I’m assuming you’re talking about a specific Incarnation just like the okay Absolut absolutely and I’m really focusing on this phrase under certain
Conditions because those those conditions are variables yeah so maybe the statement is not all humans are incarnated equally or you know reincarnated you know what I’m saying because created we’re all created you know uh we come from a starting point so but you know it’s it’s a verbiage you
Know it’s just I wanted to clarify that thank you yeah and thank you for bringing that up because you know one of the things I didn’t write here but I was considering and and you all will understand that there are some pregnancies that go to term and pregnancies that don’t there are some
Pregnancies that are natural and some require dsection there are some elements of fetus development that necessitate involvement by medical professionals prior to the birth and those are the circumstances those are the conv conditions yes the human form is the human form in the spiritual
Sense Arc yes ma’am um so when I look at this question I also think of the spirit and like the agreement we have with our maker to come here um and even like being a mother feeling the presence of my unborn child and the spiritual connection that
Exists so that’s just a thought I had while you were talking about that excellent excellent and and hold that thought because we’re going to get to the spiritual pieces PR quickly here uh Mark yes sir let me just throw another thing on the pot uh well considering that
Uh we still are adding and discover new elements to that uh Elemental tables just since 197 73 we have over 26 new elements that have been discovered and also considering that each planet to each environment in the universe has its own contributions so when you’re talking about the creation of life here on
Planet Earth is that all your consideration or you looking to where the spirit is create because of course Divine Providence or the creator creates everywhere I love this dialogue you will see you will see in the coming slides how I have tried to address this with my thoughts spawning these types of
Interactive thoughts that we share with each other it’s not exact science it is not even exact hard there are still still discoveries being made since he put it to print in 1850 in the 1850s so let’s continue good good thinking by everyone number 32 according to this interpretation and
The properties of matter we think about flavors odors sounds and the toxic or beneficial qualities of bodies are these solely the result of modifications of the same basic substance and the answer is precisely the human senses only exist according to the design of the organs intented to perceive
Them and this principle is demonstrated by the fact that everyone does not perceive the qualities of material items in the same manner to one person something may appear to taste good but not to another person a color may appear as a shade of blue but to a person other
Than that maybe hinges of red or pink or green or yellow some items are poisonous and harmful to one person but harmless and maybe even healthy when so again the question is are these solely the result of modifications of some basic substance yes each of us are not exactly the
Same so we know about allergies well we know some things about allergies and it’s easy to understand in this question and answer while some people have allergies certain foods spices pollen whatever the case may be loud noises question 33 can the same Elementary matter undergo all possible changes and acquire all
Properties and the answer is yes and here is the phrase implied everything is in everything scientifically oxygen hydrogen nitrogen carbon and all the other masses that we see as elements are merely variations of one primordial substance science and humans have found it impossible to arrive at this Elemental matter other than through intellectual
Deduction and we regard this as Elementary and yet it’s not so Elementary it’s quite complex so we know that atomic structures of all these elements vary and we’re going to get to another slide in question and visual in just a second to take this concept further but my thought is the universal
Fluid is probably and this is my naivity of spiritist knowledge so anyone feel free to correct me with what I’m saying here Universal fluid is probably composed of all the elementary elements and there is one which really has never been fully scientifically defined or proven and that’s the concept of
Love now some people think of love as a noun and some as a verb and some know the effects of love and can scientifically Define the impact of love but can we really get to understanding the properties of love in a universal sense not in the scientific world
I don’t believe it is only in the emotional or spiritual perspective that we begin to dig deep into the importance the power the Reliance the goal of love I want Mark I want to say God is love and God is the universal Cosmic FL it so
It’s all love and love is certainly not just an emotion we know that right it’s it’s it’s the it’s it’s everything of course of course Divine is what how Andre Lise calls it which Divine equals God it’s God plasma right it’s love just a com just a comment Sunshine God if you concept
Conceptualize God as a cosmic fluid you materialize in God God is beyond the cosmic fluid yeah well God no yes go ahead Sunshine that’s when you see Floyd as something tangible remember describe God so so again remember what we’re doing here we are looking at cardex Spirits book and how the spirits
Communicated to him in the 1850s right and and I just and I just want to differentiate subsequently to cardex documenting Spirits information and subsequently to where human intelligence was in the 1850s we have a vast quantity of new information and much of this discussion about the universal fluid is Subs
Because the spirits have continued to Ed right um so what Teresa says is exactly I think this chapter that I cited last week which is the Divine Providence where Alan cik does say that Divine Providence imagine it and he says it’s a comparison and he says it limps of
Course because all comparisons won’t do the reality uh justice but he says imagine a Floyd and he’s talking about Divine Providence he’s talking about God I concur it is it is very interesting for me to um think about the life of alen parek in the 1850s man was a
Scientist and his documenting of his knowledge of the spirit world challenged science dramatically today it still challenges science very difficult to take people who are totally into matter and elements and measurements Etc and to get them to try to have a discussion of a spiritual nature of God Universal fluid etc etc
Because that’s not the world they are the most comfortable in yeah in addition to that Mark that you know why God is not the universal fluid and it clearly states it in that uh Heaven and Hell book that I’m referencing um it’s one of the questions
And the answer is specific that no God is not the universal Cosmic fluid because if then that would mean God is equal to the universal Cosmic fluid and then he that that is not um ultimate or then and God cannot be equal because then it’s not God if you go back to the
Reasoning of it which they they do quite well in Genesis when they Define providence and I know I think it is a little confusing or can be because they will sometimes interchangeably use words um but I think we can reason it out that it makes sense that God cannot be the universal Cosmic
Fluid because then what created the universal Cosmic fluid you know what I mean it’s that then it’s an equal and God is God ultimate number one I love this because that CS our attention to the need of us continue to devel our humility and our urgence to understand that we don’t know everything
Yet and you know we humans especially in in this generation in this time of of human development we are accustomed to going to the internet and using our search engines to look up something quickly simply to get a complete understanding and we’re now talking about a topic that you can’t possibly
Research to a to a reasonable conclusion you just get deeper and deeper into variables and again I I reflect on the time that we which hardc captured this information and what has happened since then because the Human Experience is dramatically different in the 2000s than they were in the
1850s so this topic of everything is in everything we can use a few different examples of what that means so here’s the one that cardic refers to the phenomenon known by all magnetizers and that consists in giving radically different properties to any substance such as a specific T of
Water there is only one primordial element and the properties of different bodies are only variations of this element the most inoffensive substance has the mo has the same Foundation as the most noxious substance water defined as H2O one part oxygen two parts hydrogen easily becomes poison corrosive when somebody doubles
The proportion of oxygen and it turns into hydrogen peroxide a similar transformation may occur by the magnetic action directed by the human will that every human being exert think about that how simply human will and alter its life in fact I’m a perfect example of that this week with the accident I had
As my future shortterm anyway is dramatically impacted everything is in question number 34 back into a scientific mood do molecules have a definitive form of course they do but we humans cannot fully Define it assess it understand it and is this form constant or variable well it’s constant for the primordial Elementary molecules
But it’s variable for secondary modules which are only aggregations of primordial one so that H2O water versus hydrogen peroxide H2O2 is a good example of that what science calls a molecule is very far from being an elementary molecule as Charles pointed out early in this presentation so many new elements
Constantly being discovered defined changing from a primary perspective to a variable secondary perspective so my thought is this in our generation media and amongst other things Pride based capitalism have absolutely blurred the truth how many times has science continued to redefine its previous facts through continued research and Analysis including retracting the
Theories that were proven and based on for so many different things because they are really far from the truth how many times has history shown the reality of Pride and financial gain based on false evidence and most recently we have this phrase big Pharma which is a wonderful marketing
Reality that big Pharma can make us believe all kinds of things and we become prescribed with pills or liquids or procedures Etc even if it’s only for financial gain as opposed to being for the betterment of humankind of course there are Pharmaceuticals that do benefit humankind anesthesia is one example of that during
Surgery so what’s fake and what is fact and many of you on this call we’ve had this discussion multiple times especially during the pandemic okay so now we kind of shift from this focus of matter into a series of questions about Universal space question 35 is universal space infinite or
Limited infinite and if you need to prove that to yourself assume there are boundaries somewhere what would be Beyond them that question perplexes your reasoning and tells you of course there are no boundaries whether we’re talking about outer space or Inner Space same is true with regards to the
Word and the concept of infinity the idea of infinity cannot be grasped in the narrow scientific world of humans because it’s not finite it can’t be completely measured which is the basis science so we just have to be humans who get comfortable with the unknown and as spiritists we get
Comfortable with someday it will make sense to us sometime in the future and as our spirit continues to progress and Elevate some things will begin to make more sense hasn’t the Hubble Space Telescope proven there is more beyond what we have already seen I mean it was launched a decade ago
And it keeps going and it keeps revealing more and more and if you want something other than the hble telescope use the application Google Earth and see what your home in your backyard looks like from space and if you want to take that even further take a microscopic approach
There’s tons of videos that delve into what’s inside an atom what’s inside a nucleus what’s inside the properties of a nucleus what’s inside each of those properties we continually explore because we haven’t hit the limits it is infinite as only God would have question 36 does an absolute void exist anywhere
In the Universe something that doesn’t have matter no what we think what we humans and science teach us hearing to be a void it’s actually occupied by matter which our senses and instruments are incapable of detecting we don’t yet have hey Mark yes um I went to the
Um to a leure where they talked about space and dark matter with my grandson and one of the things they talked about is that the dark dark matter is not measurable and I asked my grandson well then how do they know it’s there so even even science is trying to
Prove something that they say is immeasurable so um I just wanted to say that sorry and and no that’s very good that’s again there are some pretty good examples of of taking these questions and answers and exploring them further in today’s world that kind of give this
Credence it make this acceptable to us in our current the answer is right there on the slide our senses and instruments are incapable of detecting that’s that’s exactly right and you know I love the phrase then how do you know it’s there well I love I personally I’ve always
Loved the phrase black hole yeah okay so a a black hole first of all somebody has made it a color and what’s black to one person is not necessarily black to another and a hole and a hole is what we constantly refer to as something with just
Air yeah and Tina out see that intuitively we know just like we know God as through intuition it’s yes yes I agree and I was just using it as a way to get my grandson to think about it you know I agree I agree
I agree you know you know I’m I’m a of the 60s and when Star Trek began I used to be able to recite the opening monologue because it talked about space what is space it’s emptiness or is it looks like a lot of matter to
Me so science or what we consider to be human knowledge is only exact in the moment eventually s science may discover a previous incomplete or inaccurate fact and the need to replace it with a new probably still incomplete and inaccurate analysis and conclusion more importantly humans are
Still learning that fact and Truth are often defined and communicated for purposes other than science and that’s human reality what is truth what is fact and how fleeting is it so I W conclude with this thought I love it when this speaking assignment causes me personal growth and thank you
All for your interactive dialogues because I think we would all agree we’re growing in this dialogue today I have been in deep introspection this week as I’ve already alluded to and these questions you know I started preparing and I read this weeks ago but boy this week has changed a number of
Things for me but I love this word ponderability because my reality is that any element of scientific knowledge I’ve ever learned on any topic or subject which can be researched is now positively Ed by the filtering of my spirous knowledge whatever I thought before as a definition I now
Alter because of my spiritist knowledge I don’t blindly accept science like I did at a younger age and I Hazard to Guess that most of you would say the same thing and I’ve also learned that all is not what it may seem to be there are many hidden or invisible aspects to human
Life and my own personal experiences and yours which have only been partially revealed and this simply facilitates continued Wonder ability we will wonder we will reflect we will assess we will analyze and yet we get comfortable with the fact that we may may never understand through completion it’s not like picking up a
Dictionary and reading a definition life does not work that way for me when something happens positive or negative I now think about spiritist principles cause and effect what did I do or what did someone else do in this life or in a previous one which resulted in whatever a new
Reality is for me positive or negative what is it I don’t fully understand what can I pray about to gain a deeper broader level of understanding well I ponder that question routinely here it is yesterday you posted this in your WhatsApp group and I found the timing to be beautiful
Although the contribution of Medical Science is admirable in treating effects it does not address inner other thank you Andre Lise and thank you sunshine and Divine Light and that’s it open for dialogue thank you so much Mark that was excellent brought a lot of lively conversation which is always good and
And and and reminds us of why it’s so um excellent to study together learn together uh grow together um I wanted to go back to uh the first part of your uh presentation on uh question 19 and I I think I have a different book than you and there’s a little footnote
After the uh the spirit’s answer where cardex says um every and it’s talking about um about can humans grasp some of Nature’s Secrets through scientific investigation which you explained um you know so well that you know we can’t go on beyond the limits of God and we don’t
Have everything at the moment um but what kardak added here is he said every day they see how he’s talking about us every day we see how many errors they have mistaken for truths and how many truths they have dismissed as erors these realizations are further blows to
Their pride and I thought this was really beautiful you know helping us to understand I mean in God’s mercy it’s really beautiful it helps us to evolve that we don’t have like all the information and we like evolve into it um and then the other one was question
32 where they were talking about the senses and we sense things differently and again cardak makes a comment and he says something that is poisonous for some might be harmless or even healthy for others and so I feel like this addresses that you know vaccination versus nonvaccination and just this controversy
That seemed to go on and on and I feel like there’s the answer right there and it it just helps it to put it to rest so thank you so much I think it was a lively conversation it was um you know it it it draw drew forth our interest
And participation and that’s just what this is all about so thank you so much very good thank you thank you so much Mark really enjoyed it um and yeah Teresa I really enjoyed what you just the first quote you you gave because really that’s the bottom line neither
You nor I nor cardic really know what God is corre and you know we are we are um simple hums the the simplest explanations for us are often times the one that have the most impact I’m part of a generation raised with cartoons and Disney’s approach as an example of what God must
Be like what the supernatural must be like sometimes you see it through entertainment sometimes you see it through something that’s not so entertaining sometimes you see it or learn it through formal religious studies and sometimes you get it from Grandma and Grandpa sitting on the porch or walking in
Nature you come to your own conclusions sometimes you experience it yourself without anyone else and you can’t wait to come back and share your experience with others even if you don’t understand it I’ve experienced God in a in in in a way I was not expecting I’ve experienced God in a way
In which I was expecting more importantly I’ve experienced myself changing as a result of those experiences and never the same again first time I was in Sedona I drove into a parking lot I got out of the car and I felt the energy I literally felt the
Vibrations I was not expecting that and every time I’ve been to Sedona as un China and I have talked about many times it’s it’s so real and yet you know humans Some Humans that’s important to other humans they careless they’re wrapped up in their own lives there’s something truly magical TR truly
Misunderstood across this planet in so many different places if you’ve ever been rced and I have been to be able to scuba di you’re in another world you’re in a land that is not human and you better remember that you won’t exist there unless you play by the underwater rules
You know it just REM you know it just reminds me that I think one thing my takeaway of all this conversation those interaction is that okay just allow yourself to enjoy the ride right why am I trying to stop the roller coaster just enjoy the ride another thing about this conversation
Also reminds me of uh it took me back to a movie of Robin Williams that is called uh Dreams May Come I think What Dreams May Come where there’s a scene of the colors mixing and transforming itself in a continuity and to me that’s the concept of uh the creation
Thought to think is to create so if you can think of something that is possible excellent I thank you all for your contributions today beautiful stuff and yes Vanessa that is a masterful world word acceptance acceptance of what we don’t understand and if we’re motivated to try
To understand then go for it and if not that’s okay oh Mark just a reminder you made reference to the hubo telescope but there’s another one out there the James W the web exactly exactly so again we’re we’re still in discovery mode as a human race we are still in discovering mode
With the with the James Web the whole concept of the big bank is vanished yeah and yet how many people still believe in the Big Bang and not just because of the TV show thank you Mark thank you for your presentation that was very good for me that I could
Understand that when we believe in something that is what we can measure and I think right now thanks God we can measure everything even what we cannot see we can measure the change in what we are observing that yeah can see the effect of something that uh goes
More with more speed than the light and the sunlight and with the quantum right now physic we can understand many things that we cannot see that but we can feel that we can measure that and what Sunshine said God is love that is good because love can change everything and I remember
But Jesus said to disciple that if you had Faith as much as must said you can go tell the mountain to move from here to there and it means we say God can do everything yes and Jesus said to the disciple you can do everything then it means that a
Human is the god and that should be reborn you know like a baby not everything what we got from our environment then we should have the real love in us then we have the love within us we have the God within us and we can do everything that is easy but we make
It very completed thank you God thank you
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