Hey Hey Y Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of the male perspective I am your host Lana Reed and today today I have the opportunity to continue my series on the wonderful amazing men of Kappa alide Fraternity Incorporated today I have with me a gentleman by the
Name of Quenton Le and in a minute we will hear more about uh his chapter fraternity life but first and foremost as I always do sir I take a quick moment to pause say thank you to you for making time for me today time is a gift once we
Give it we cannot get it back so I truly appreciate you making time in your day to sit down and chat with me and with that sir welcome welcome to the show oh thank you thank you for having me thank you very much so as I mentioned you are
A man of Kappa a Kappa man uh Which chapter are you currently with So currently I’m with the uh Fort Le alumni chapter um here in the uh Richmond uh Southern Richmond area um and I was a 2000 spring initiate of the 35 chapter and that’s Troy State University um so
I’ve been in the Frat for 23 years um my yeah pretty much my my entire adult life you know yeah since I was about um I don’t know 2021 I’ve been I’ve been a cap man so um you know it’s uh it’s been very rewarding and a lot of different ways um
Um I I grew up in I grew up in Kappa you know what I mean so in the word in the words of uh coach Prime I’m not new to this I’m True to this I’m True to this I Ain mad at you I ain’t mad at you well first let me ask
Because I I did uh peep before I was uh getting ready for today’s show I was looking at um your chapter fortly and I see it is situated or is around a military base and I see that a lot of the members if not all are military men
And and growing up um I’m a military brat my father was in the service so one of the things that I remember is uh bouncing around a lot as his Tour of Duty so I I was thinking you know when I saw that um being a military chapter
Does that present any challenges or make your chapter a little bit unique it does um so I’ve been a part of two and you know so first of all let me let me start off by saying these views and My Views alone you know um I’m not speaking on
Behalf of international headquarters cap whatsoever so these are my views on um so I’ve been a part of two military PR primarily military chapters right uh so it was the uh uh formerly Fort Brag but Fort Brag uh fville for Brad pop a Force Space 11 chapter okay and this chapter
Which is the Fort Le alumni chapter um so a long long long time ago um for example at at Fort Brag the form Fort Brad now Fort Liberty someone had when they uh chartered that alumni chapter they had a foresight of encompassing both the military and the civilian uh
Area right uh because each each alumni chapter is is named for the city in which it resides okay so so so so as so you won’t have a what we like to call a in a quote a split chapter where you have a civilian chapter in such close proximity of the
Of the in a quotes military chapter um it it kind of splits the membership you know I mean um so so yeah so here in in in this area we have uh within a let’s say 25 mile radius it’s fortly Petersburg alumni chapter and Richmond alumni chapter so Richmond alumni
Chapter is really not in any competition for brothers because it’s in its own it’s so far away geographically that you know they’re pulling uh from the greater richment area um but you know when it comes to Fort Le and Petersburg uh we are definitely vying for the same for
The same potential members um same potential uh initiates and and and it does cause it doesn’t cause a problem per se it just you know it it we like to say you know competition you know it it’s helpful too to have a competitive chapter that that is right next door
With you so there’s no there’s nothing that helps fuel you know Ingenuity like um like competition yeah but um but then you know when it comes to really you know there’s power in numbers too so uh so being able to pull those resources um in a more efficient manner would
Probably benefit both chapters um you know rather than you know necessarily going it you know alone if if that makes sense gotta gotcha understood understood and so um because military men are are moving about transitioning a lot um does that you know I’m thinking officers are
Elected for a period of time yeah yeah okay yeah it it it it has its own set of challenges um as far as um far as the the biggest challengeing when it comes time to do initiation right because you know um it because you get so many Transit brothers and I’m not
Talking about necessarily brothers that are have PCS to the area and they going to be here for two three years and then they move on that’s a different equation than you have a very very qualified aspirant um but they they might be here for six seven
Months right oh but so do you do you initiate them you know I mean and most of us you know um you know inclined to say no go because you know because you you you initiate this this this young man into the Fret but but you don’t get
The benefit of you know of his labor and his talents you know what I mean and so uh and I frown upon it a bit you know um because the the Optics of it could be there you know it’s just a money grab you know you know this chapter is people
Just just initiate them and that’s not the case you know I mean what it is is that you know from my experience um pledging of fraternity man you have a small small window a lot of times especially undergrad especially if you want to be an undergrad brother you have
A small window uh to make that happen and anything can derail it you know what I’m saying um and even if that’s because the essence of this fraternity is centered around the undergraduate Brothers this this fraternity was was founded for undergrads you know what I mean and it has morphed um into
A into organization that provides a lifelong um reach back opportunity you know I mean um throughout the rest of your life unlike you know some some of your uh non bgos you know I mean it’s normally just a college thing they did and once they finish like oh I was a Sit
Maai when I was in college but that’s not the language we use we say we are we I am a Kappa because it’s a lifelong uh lifelong commitment so um so that that just presents a challenge um you know when you’re uh when you’re looking at how you’re going to initiate brothers
And and make no mistake about it it’s also you know it’s a uh grand chapter you know you know uh they they they are dependent on us inating Brothers It’s a stream it’s a stream of income you know I mean you know it’s most definitely a
Stream of income you know so you know it’s uh so it it not so much for the for the not so much for maybe the local chapters but definitely at the grand chapter you know I mean they it’s definitely like during Co when we wasn’t when nobody was initiating any
Brothers or sisters it you know like yo we you know we almost I feel like the the Frat probably need to get a pppv lo I know right we got got to come up with some creative stuff here yeah man yeah yeah I mean think about all the the conclaves
And the bouet and whatnot that were Cel um we we were supposed to go to Phoenix in 2021 and I mean they they held on to the absolute last minute before they celed it but I mean you know it is you know the the economic impact that we have in
In the rest of you know the rest of theine n when we come in comeing town and we spending money like yo they they were upset you know what I’m saying but what can you do there’s nothing do about it yeah you and you cus have some challenges now with your conclave
Because you guys are supposed to be going to Florida and and there’s some some some well well so the clave is still is still going it’s still it’s still going on it’s not celled uh we uh the consensus you know I was as a as an individual person as a
Man I I don’t have a dollar to spend in the State of Florida okay you know what I mean but but again you know uh the we plan these these conclaves so far out in advance you know I mean it’s it’ be fool hearty to to to I mean the risk the Financial
Risk that the fraternity has to take in order to councel that’s true it the benefit doesn’t outweigh the impact you know what I mean like the only people that hurt only people hurt that hurts the Frat because we spent all the money uh it hurts all the local businesses
That is dependent on us to come and and bring uh bring Brothers down to spend money you know I mean it only it only impacts the small businesses got you know I mean it only impacts the the the alumni chapter that the host the host chapter who spent all of their you know
A lot of their budget you know what I mean to to to put on a uh put on a uh put on a show for us you know what I mean in the hospitality so then you know then and lastly you know who you think Ron the
Cental care that the C didn’t you know what we actually done was G giving that man what he wanted yeah you know I mean so so I felt like um the correct pivot would have been to um figure out a way to to spend the day in Tallahassee and
Protest at at at the uh you know at at at their state capital I think um I think few thousand black men and and those red Blazers you know what I mean um you know standing in solidarity um and I think the cues uh their conclaves
The same year too they we we all kind of follow each other so I think the cues is like the month before um and you know if I had my way as the uh as the grand pole Mark I would have see if there was a way
I could have Reach Out reached out to the uh Grand Bachelor of Omega saire figure out how we can how we can go down and protest um I think I think we don’t use our numbers Collective power and our Collective power as the divine nine yeah
I don’t think we’re using it you know I mean we use it from time to time you know when when KLA Harris got elected oh yeah you bet I mean you best believe Uncle Joe got KLA Harris and the rest of those you know in the Deltas and the AKA
And the S rad and the Zetas they got them to thank for that because those those women got out there in full force to support thing they did their thing just on the strength that KLA Harris is a is a not a alumni member she is a alpha alpha chapter AKA from Howard
You know saying so her going to DC she was going home yeah she she wasn’t new she wasn’t new to DC you know what I’m saying better come out y’all are obligated to come out for that one well you feel me so like so we we see what
Happens when when when we say there’s something like hey yes we we we’re supporting that you know Stacy Adams you know I mean you know those women got together and they got uh they they got Papa Joe elected that was all black women 100% that was and I also saw a
Collective effort um after George Floyd like every city I saw when it came to all the protests and marches I saw a lot of collective effort with that as well so there are times but you know um it would be nice to see some more you know
That’s that’s the the EV I mean the reason why a lot of the divine nine was started was social causes so right right well I mean it’s not just I mean so so Kappa um in his infancy um when it was still cap out for new um you know
They’ll found on any other univers you you know what I’m saying so it was you know we have 10 Founders um you know it was probably about 10 people 10 black people in that only people they were only people you know what I mean so so so originally it wasn’t about the social
Cause it was it was these were young men who needed each other to get through college life uh you know brother Diggs uh and brother Armstrong originally were at Howard University okay okay right so if you if you look at the like look at you dig a Little Deeper one of his
Cousins I’m talking about brother Diggs one of his cousins is a Founder think of one of the one of the original aka’s founders of AKA okay one of his cousins okay so you know so there was a time um and then also you like when you look at
Like for example deltas and in omegas you know there were you know a married couple within that you know I mean so right so so there was a you know Greek life is a tightnit community you know I mean on these campuses um especially your HBCU where you have the absolute
Primitive crop you know you have the pick of the letter of who you want to let into the uh into the chapter or not um I went to pwi uh so uh and we even though we have a large uh black base you know if you
Have uh black Greeks again we all vying for the for the same for the same Top Notch students right but but just your your pool is smaller got yeah the HBCU is you know everybody there black you know what I mean and so when you start talking about
Indiana University and when we start looking at the first 10 chapters they they all you know Midwest chapter because it was founded in the midwest okay okay you mean so so their growth is a was a different path then say you know uh the the the several chapters that
Were founded on Howard I think um if I’m not mistaken um Alphas was found out on Cornell so they’re they have a a similar uh pathway too okay okay okay so um let me ask one more thing I want to ask about the military thing they will
Move on um because I noticed that at this time in 2023 kappas are everywhere like I think I saw you guys in Dubai or and Japan is that because of you military brothers or did that happen some other kind of way are you guys out there planting seeds all around the world
So so yes or no so the majority of so so we started talking about in international chapters right so your ber Bermuda alumni chap your uh you they just did they they just did the Dominican Republic H yeah that’s that’s that’s bananas I need I GNA be
Bananas um who else um anyway all the international chapters are comprised of mostly uh you know civilians and Military but you do have some International chapters that’s primarily military for the most part so like your Germany alumni okay okay you know I mean like most of the people that Americans that’s
In Germany yeah that’s that is educated yeah because they in arm put the puzzle together put the puzzle pieces together right you see what I’m saying and so so again you know so so it’s not a so the Germany alumni chapter is not a military chapter but you got a whole bunch of
Military members in it um I was a part of Korea alumni chapter yes back in the uh 2002 to 2003 when I did my tour over there again you do have some um some civilians that’s in the chapter but it’s primarily military members making up that making because those those are the
Only people that’s going to Korea makes um we we chartered uh we chartered the Kuwait alumni chapter uh there’s alumni chapter in Kuwait at the height of the war um it was very very popular you know I mean again but I think now that the
War has taped it off and you don’t have as many Americans going over there that that chapter might might be dormant right now maybe I’m not quite sure um same thing with Saudi Arabia same thing with some of these alumni chapters are they growth potential is not exactly
There to grow you know what I mean because you just have a lot of black Americans that’s committed to the yeah okay that’s that’s that lives over there you know what I mean and then it’s and then it encompasses the entire country so if you don’t have a place that you’re
Meeting that’s you know if the country is huge you might not be coming to any chapter meetings anyway yeah right so like yeah so like you know Germany you know I’m I’m not sure how they did in Germany but if you live in you know he
Was a brother that lived in Manheim but you but the chapter means were all the way in urg somewhere yeah you still wouldn’t go you know I mean so it so it’s a so it’s still the Dynamics of it is still difficult you know when we start talking about International
Chapters they they’re primarily used more like as a social like really social really just a Gathering Place uh they do have some uh some of your uh initiatives like guy right Capital League and some of those other things uh but again they will be you know it’s kind of it’s kind of hard
To pull that for for an entire country so they’ll normally focus it on a particular area maybe their brother lives in and allow that brother to head it out okay so that’s but that’s really the benefit of these you know of our um our military chapters one of the great
Benefits of a military chapter is that uh it’s a it could be a good thing or a bad thing but it allows an Ascension to offices that would take Expedition longer in a civilian chapter okay know I mean UND so so your ability to work your way from a Committee Member
To a committee chair from a committee chair to a assistant from an assistant to a primary from a primary to the pmart to the president you know I mean you know you can you can get there within a decade to’s say right because service you know a decade right um sometimes
Less you know I mean because again we start talking about military chapter you talking about people that are already proving leaders so not uncommon to see a brother that’s young in a fraternity Ascend quickly to a primary position um just just because you know the the the learning curve has already been there
Gotta so that’s a you know so a great thing versus your you know your more well established civilian chapters I mean it could take years it could take years you know because I mean you got brother think about I’ve been in the Frat 23 years but there’s been somebody in the
Frat for 30 years you get what I’m saying there’s always somebody that’s been in frat long to you and that person been waiting for a position or they’re in lineing for a position you know the the the protocol you know well the unwritten rules will allow that person the almost the
First R of refusal okay you know say uh rather than um you know a brother that’s you know a brother just running for the sake of running you know what I mean so I think with the uh military chapters the turnover is high is a lot higher therefore it the weight
Of instability is a little bit more turbulent sometimes you know I mean you with the EV and flow than a alumina chapter but does allow fresh ideas and fresh blood to come in and um much much needing yeah you that that’s something um I I I didn’t really uh think about
And I guess maybe the young ambitious brothers that are listening might need to take heed because you know young folks or or new people too the organization might think yeah I’m gonna walk right in and become pmart but um doesn’t happen like that okay it can I’m not saying that that never happened
I mean you know I’m not saying never happened but uh and and there’s a lot to learn too I mean being a pullar of a chapter man is a huge responsibility because you’re the face of you are the face of the fraternity now okay I’m not talking about the face of your chapter
Okay you you’re now a spokesperson for the Fret okay you know what I mean like there’s only a couple other people that’s above you that’s the province PM Mark and the grand pmark like you don’t answer to nobody else but the province and the grand there’s only two people
That you really answer to okay once you become poleart at any level okay you feel I’m coming from and with that you you become you are the voice you are the the faith of the organization you’re the CEO you know I mean that does require
You have to be yes you do have to be trained and right right right so right so there’s a lot of organ and and I think we can segue into some of these other things that you know I mean later but um you know it’s I think we could do a better
Job um just speaking for Kappa a think for my experience in Kaa I think we do a better job of of doing that training organizational leadership uh you know we do a lot of training and how to run the chapter but we don’t you know organization leadership
Is tough you know putting together a vision in a vision statement okay yeah most people never done that you know I mean it it requires training you know um and I think that we are leaving a lot of meat on the bone when it comes to continued education for our adults okay
You know what I mean so we do a lot of of mentorship to our undergraduate Brothers we do a lot of mentorship to our high school and middle school Brothers but you only undergrad for four years most people only right right I was only in undergrad I was only in the
Undergrad chapter for two years think about that right I’ve been a capital man for 20 23 so 21 of my years has all been grad chapter stuff but yet there is very there are zero programs that I know of that the focus is contined education for our members post
Undergrad okay I see you see what I’m saying so we have the Kaa League that’s that’s high school go you know I mean but but there’s there’s like very I mean you know some chapters do like scholarships and some other things right but there is nothing that I know of
That where we are taking the lead in the education the continuing the continuing adult education of our members okay good point and I don’t think that any I mean and I might be ignorant in this but I don’t think any of the Divine I don’t
Think so I I don’t think so if they do is new it’s news to me I don’t want to speak I’m only speaking about my experience with cap I don’t know what the other organizations do um and you know and I feel like I feel like Kaa we have
Look if I’m if I’m a I should be spending my money with Kappa first if I was a if I needed a home that I should have a repository of brothers that a mortgage lenders or and I should have a repository of brothers that are real estate agents you know taet should be
Helping me promote my business growing my business you know what I mean um we don’t do we don’t do any of that you get where I’m come from and so so it begs the to it begs to question sometimes then you know why why what is
Why am I a active member okay when and the fraternity is not investing in me as an individual okay you get where I’m coming from okay because all of our investments when we start talking about you know in investing into our future we we do a
Great job that we got Kaa camp we got tiny Woods we have the Kaa League we do a lot of things for our our our our youth we do something things from the undergrad right but then it’s like once they leave school you expect these young Brothers to to join the alumni
Chapter right but but these these guys are are entry level into their career field and you know I mean so we lose a lot of brothers between that transition between undergrad and in the grad chapter I mean you probably lose 50 60% that 70% I’m willing to bet wow because because think
About if I was broke in college I’m going be broke as an adult no I’m starting a family you know I’m trying to position this stuff okay right so what are we doing at the at the graduate level yeah as as part of the as part of our International headquarters how are
We reinvesting into our brothers okay and and that that would be one of the things that I would like if I was pmart for the day that would be one of my well let me ask you this because I know that all of the Divine n is heavy on
Scholarships you know putting money back in but a lot of the uh alumni brothers and sisters go back to grad school or get another degree are there scholarships available for no maybe after the L we did this year for the first time we uh reached out to
Brothers um we reached reached out to past scholarship recipients and they can reapply for the scholarship if we have more if we have money left over uh being that our chapter is not tied to another undergraduate chapter so we don’t have a we don’t have a partnership right now with a
Undergraduate chapter you’re not big brothers for an undergraduate chapter correct right so like for example Richmond alumni you know their undergraduate chapter that they oversee is uh Virginia Petersburg and lumni their undergraduate chap that they oversee is the uh this Virginia state you get where I’m come
From so they probably are doing things as Grassroots because this is you know my school and a lot of those guys that graduate from that school that stay in area filters into the alumni chapter but as a policy with grand chapter you know you don’t see dispersements of okay we
We’re we’re going to invest x amount of dollars and then every brother that’s in the undergraduate chapter that got at least a 2.5 will get a $150 check okay got you get what coming from got which which when I was undergrad hey broke as that was you know
With inflation you know me I don’t know how much $150 will buy you I’m sure that’s some f that’s some yes yeah so so those will be kind of the things that if I was grandp Mar for a day um be some of the things that I will
Try to introduce figure out make it a benefit I mean because you know I think the only thing that um is available for the older members is when you’re older right there’s a lot of you know checking yeah yeah yeah once you become a c cap there there’s that okay but nothing in
Between there there are some things like I said Grassroots level you know there’s a lot of social things you know picking in and having a good time and there’s a lot of one onone you know I mean like it’s not like there’s no there is nothing that’s
Codifying it all together you know what I mean and um at one point in time um we have for example we had a uh a u what was called a a d um shoot we had a uh um Credit Union sorry yeah so we had a
Credit union with with the brand for you know grand chapter um and it was kind of hard getting that together they so that idea came probably 10 years too early because online banking wasn’t really a thing yet you know your big boys did online banking but most of your credit it it
Wasn’t you know I mean it’s not as simple it wasn’t as simple as it is it’s simpler now to do it right so you can probably I mean I think if they were to re you know do a bet beta test and retry it um I think they have a lot more
Success so Brothers you know signing up for it right but you know but again but that’s the typ types of things I’m talking about you know in other communities you know hey if you need a business loan you ain’t got to go to the bank you yeah you go go see he’s going
To go see my brother go see I should be able to go see my brother right you get what I’m saying um and so and and that’s what I would like to see more of a concerted effort to create a a network um that will allow us again to
Really you know spend that money spend our dollar within our Collective Community more and I’m not just talking about what capital I’m talking about black businesses I’m talking about in indiv indviduals you know other organizations you know I mean that you know it’s it’s competition when we got a
Jacket Zone but it’s all love when we out here because you know we got to support each other on these things right and so um I would love to see a just look we we partner with st JW’s research hospital and we have donated Millions great calls you know him one of
When I was in uh when I was on after duty one of my warrant officers that worked for me his name is uh cw5 Hall he has a special need son okay yeah uh uh is it Trevor Tyler is is the little boy name U I don’t know what his you know
What his special needs is but I’ve met the I met the kid a few times he’s wheelchair bound uh you know since I’ve known him for two years that that kid been in in and out the hospital like you know half a dozen times easy you know for for extended St
But he always when we we have our chapter meeting in the old building I worked in and chief Hall will always come say man I love the cers now Chief Hall is he’s from Pennsylvania he’s he he’s a Caucasian he’s he’s white as ex young right he but he always and uh he
Will always tell me and U another good brother’s name cw5 retired Frasier he said I love the capus I love the cus the brother he said y’all brothers y’all donate to St Jews I see what y’all do with st Jews all the time his son was in
Jews they thought they was gonna lose them yeah so so when you hear stories like that you know that there is there there’s there there’s impact being made right and and what I like to see now a more conservative effort to you know it’ll be it’ll be like it’ll be great
For example that every every every brother that’s in medical school get a $500 Grant from the from the grant chapter okay okay you know what I’m saying I mean it’s not it’s not all the money in the world but but but something you know what I’m saying it’ll be great
If you know if we had a program where you know here’s a down payment on your home we gonna help you with your down payment on your home anything you know what I’m saying we hey even if it’s not down payment hey going to hey we we have you know 25
Slots for FHA Loans that we’re going to help you get into gotta you know what I’m saying those are to me those are things that count and those are things that hey if I’m an active brother fully Financial brother I can take I can take advantage of that yeah and it’s going to
And it gives me a reason to stay active I think right now there is not there is not a whole lot of reason to stay active if after underest un you know what I’m saying like it’s hard it’s hard when you start looking at the time requirement and the
Money requirement and things you’re asked to do and then what you receive in return your you know RI on your return on investment sometimes you know you know sometimes the the the the warm and fuzzy feeling you see having somebody else succeed I mean that’s yeah
You got to make that call you got to make the well let me ask you this though um you’ve been you’ve been the Cal for 23 years and because you you know I’m just thinking about like my grandmother my great- grandmother is has it devolved or evolved where it’s not
So Community focused like we gonna help each other out and I’m g go to my brother for this or something I mean yeah is huge now yeah it’s huge so the so it used to be a time you know when you pledge pledge of fraternity and then you go somewhere
Else only person that you knew to help you was going to be a brother you know what I’m saying okay right um and you know think a lot of a lot has change integration has changed a lot as far as our Reliance on each other you understand where I’m coming
From and so um I think that again one on one there’s a lot of brothers pulling each other up a lot of brothers helping each other okay you know I mean what I would like to see is the grand chapter say hey we’re going to do this Initiative for this
Okay and is for brothers only it is for uh Brothers only it is for our act brothers who will fully financial and a fraternity where’re you know I mean we are starting this part of program if you have you know you need a business loan and you meet these
Criteria we would get you a a business loan you know I mean if you need a home mortgage and you meet these this credit score D and if you have a problems obtaining a a home mortgage right now you know right now home mortgages are hard to get a dollar home Home
Mortgage right now right yeah well we we got a program for that we’re going to help you we’re gonna we’re gonna we’re going to invest into that for you you know I’m saying now the problem is Who you gonna pay to do it because nobody’s gonna do that you know nobody’s gonna do
It for free and and that and that be the problem sometimes you know what I’m saying but we have money we we have money and we have we have the ability to partk you know is right now is Partnerships well if we’re partnering with st JW to help their
Initiatives they surely Well Fargo can partner with cap alai to help Brothers get their mortgages right Goa you get what I’m saying so there right so there are ways you know you establish Partnerships there are ways to get that done you know I mean I just think that we you know I
Mean we we are um black men men in general but black men don’t get a lot of help you know I mean even within the fraternity true you know I mean you know we we look at each other as hey you’re a man you can figure that out you know I
Mean women help each other a lot more you know I mean women talk to each other yeah about more personal stuff you know I mean than men do and so I think that you know um you know us really critically looking at some of the problems that our men are going
Through you know I mean with uh protecting providing being pillar in their in their Community you know what allow again allow to me allow more Brothers like yo man you know Fred is really really doing some great you know better things right now man let’s let’s you know mean because it’s all
Grassroots it starts starts with the local chapter so I guess what I’m hearing you say is like Kappa you know is we’ve had these programs and we’ve done these programs for all these years and this is what it is but you know here’s Quenton Z well we need to evolve
We need to grow we need to add some new layers like what we did back in 1911 is not working for 2023 we we need to make some adjustments no there’s a lot ofj and and and Grant have to they they do a lot and it’s a small staff of
People let’s get you know what I mean it’s only a handful of brothers that’s that’s that are paid to do their job it’s the executive director and about five other brothers that’s you know mean the deputy and about five other brothers that actually being paid
To do a job and then have a couple of assistant so everybody else are all it’s all volunteers you understood you know I mean so so I’m not saying that there’s not out there doing the Lord’s work I’m saying now it’s time to for the fraternity to in my opinion to
Reinvest into into the brothers in some in some way okay you know what I’m saying um some productive way that you know I mean that that we can latch on to okay you know I mean you look I’m 45 years old you know I mean I have kids you know my kids are
Going to get a scholarship from the chapter when it’s time to go to school okay no doubt right but I just transition from the military some transition Services would be nice right you get what I’m saying like it it would been cool if the fraternity had a again a repository of
You know we have all of these alumni chapters that are affiliated with with military it have been good to have again uh SFL tab you know that social for Life uh transition C program you know hey all every brother you know we’re partnering with Fort
Liberty in the SFL t uh we’re gonna be on zoom on this time brothers that are retiring you know I mean log on that’s just a small thing okay very very little you know don’t take a lot of money just take just set it up you get what I’m saying but now
It it’s like hey grand chapter is concerned about me doing well you know what I mean and if I wasn’t a a financial brother I would have never heard of so that’s where that you know I mean to me the Reclamation and some of these other programs that we have you
Know I mean it will to me it will drive members it will drive it will drive us to give reason for brothers who are not active Okay who who have not been active in years to find a local chapter join that chapter and become active again you
Know I mean and and I’m hearing that that should could possibly be a concern moving forward because we want kapper around in a 100 years and 200 years so we have to establish a plan that’s going to not only uh initiate members but keep them on for the long time keep yeah yeah
The Reclamation is huge man we we wouldn’t need to initiate Brothers nearly as much as we do if if Brothers stay active longer you know I mean and and and and but keep in mind though you know we have the thing we call it the diamond is God
Family school or work and then Kaa so there’s a whole lot of priorities that come before Ka making making Kappa priority and we had never you know I had a a brother his name is Kenneth Madison um um also known as mad dog he he refus
To go by anything but M no but I remember when I was a young lieutenant and I was having the hardest time uh in my first first unit and I needed you know I you know he said Quinton hey man no matter where you go happ’s going to be there waiting on you
If you don’t ever never feel the need not to step away from Kappa when you need to step away from you just make sure you find your way back to Kappa you get what I’m coming from and so there’s been times you know my 23 years I haven’t been fully Financial dues paying
Member you know I mean there’s been out of 23 years I probably was fully Financial 23 to say 17 of those years because there’s been times I’ve been de floyed there been times where there’s no alumni chapter you know there’s been there been time I was just too busy you
Know money get funny money get funny sometimes I remember my dad in the military right so so I’ll be the first one to you man like yo I haven’t I can’t say I fully Financial for 23 years straight that’ be a lie that’ be a big lie
But I’ve always been affiliated with Al lumni chapter you know what I’m saying once I got you know I mean once I have the the bandwidth to do it I didn’t you know what I mean and and you’ll see that and you’ll see and and this is another
Thing you know we have a lot of celebrity Brothers you know I mean that are members but it’s hard for them to be you know fully Financial because it’s a lot it could be a liability you know I mean like you you you’re not g to see Rob Johnson who’s you know the
Former CEO of bet the founder of bet you know you don’t see like a Rob Johnson like he’ll show for the big thing but you know you’re not going to see Michael Jordan necessarily out a chapter meeting on Saturday hang yeah you know I mean it doesn’t
Work that way you get come from and so it’s like the bigger you are the more of a liability being in the you know being really ingrained in the fraternity while you’re in your business I remember with General V you know the he was the former AMC fourstar J the first non logistician
That was the AMC General let’s get that straight and he’s a brother uh he came he hung out with the brothers he’ll come oh yeah if you ask him show up he’ll show up but there was a at arms length that he have to keep a lot of things
Because you know he’s a somebody yeah you know what I’m saying you know in the NS we like to have fun too you know I mean so it’s like you know and and again with the social media and photos and stuff like that the last thing you need
Is is a is a liability so you know it’s it’s it’s hard for even some of the brothers that are high-profile to really be as active and ingrained into the some of these things that they would probably would like to be you know I mean just because they busy okay really busy and
You know again they you know they’re they’re parents is you know I remember nephew tomm did you know Nephew Tommy yeah yeah met Nephew Tommy down in uh Houston you know Nephew Tommy ain’t down there telling jok for free no this how I eat this my bread and butter just the mortgage
Payment look so in 19 in 2000 I met Cedric the Entertainer and I was in Jump school at Fort benon Georgia I met CED the ENT uh Entertainer and he had um he had did a comedy show and then he had appearance at the holding wall Club whatever and so
I go and and I CRI up you know I mean and I hit him with the challenge he hit me with the password oh and hey look I so excited I squee oh brother okay and uh and hey hey uh Hey brother we’ love to get you down
Here to Troy you know can you know hey if we want to book you for show how we do it he said hey man talk talk to my manager right there and we can get you know we we’ll see how we can get you squired away man we must have called that
Number 20 times man we ain’t get nothing but the do a got no time yeah I’m a c a but yeah but yeah bro you can’t afford me I mean I wish you just said that like bro you can’t y’all can’t afford me too funny that’s too funny that is
Classic that is classic but you know I mean it brings to mind I think a lot of people are not aware that there are so many prominent people in black black Greek life you know um and and it seems to be when it comes to social causes a
Lot of the people that step out front in leadership role you mentioned comma and everything tend to be from fraternities or is it something do you feel about uh divine nine that promotes leadership skills the Divine n um if it was let me put it to you this
Way when I was 20 years old when I was pledging C it was the absolute hardest thing I ever done in my life up to that point wow you know what I mean um what I sacrific to become a member um what I had to learn the
Bonding that was required to do it it was the absolute hardest thing all the way up until that moment in my life and keep in mind I was in RC at the time you know I mean I I grew up on a dirt road in Alabama you know what I’m saying but
At that time it was the it was the hardest thing I ever done wow and I carried that the rest of my life I feel like sometimes man I feel like man like yo if I could pledge Kappa I can do this this ain’t as hard as
Pledging and so you see 20 something years ago pledging 20 something but I’m going get to I’m get to my my other point I’m going to get to my other not so popular Point here in a second okay but it was the absolute hardest thing I
Ever done and I’m not you know it wasn’t you know it was it was not to prescribe the way that ihq mandated we do things you know what I’m saying and we did things that were outside of that box you know what I mean but it was never
Anything that was you know put my life in danger anything like that where I be physically or mentally abused anything like that but it gave me the perspective of what’s hard today is not gonna be hard tomorrow you know I mean I was not last I was not as successful in my military
Career that I would have lik to have been you know what I’m saying still successful but I left some meat on the bone because when you the first to do something there you’re just going to make some mistakes that you know that that a person that has more
Mentorship is just not going to make but at no time than quitting ever crossed my mind because as you know I mean sometimes you know I was in Afghanistan and um so when I was in Afghanistan the second time my I was actually there with
My L his name was Aaron so we was both both working in a third Special Forces Group you know what I’m saying and we didn’t have nobody and that whole got dog on country but each other and that’s all I did that’s all I needed was
Him wow and we we went to college together we pledge together wow he got blown up over there when he left he’s okay now but there was times the only person in the world I had to turn to was him I didn’t need nobody else well that’s that’s the power of the
B that’s that’s when it’s really really real and money can’t buy it that’s that’s what it’s about that is what it’s about money came by it that was 2012 and U he’s retired I also like I said we went through it over there and he almost died over
There you know what I’m saying coming from hell I almost died too but not not the same way he you know I mean but that’s one that’s the power of the Bine we didn’t have nobody for each other you know what I mean and we and should we have
He had a uh a little flash little flash or something and then we called it we called it uh one sip Friday he he just had a corner we just take he take we must we did that for probably three months we call it one sip
Friday and we have we have our cigar we we both take a bump out that flas and um you know we all talked about like yo we gota get the F out of here yes out just just get me out of here get me back home
Give me back to the main yeah yeah I got one more question for you and then I’m gonna I’m gonna wrap up but listening to you incorporate Kappa life and being a military man reflective question do you think especially here in your experience with your line brother who was who was there
With you do you think being a military man having a military career seeing the things you’ve went through learning the organizational chart how things operate how they have programs for you when you’re transition do you feel that that’s has an impact on your expectations of Kappa as an
Organization I have high expectations of Kappa because Kappa have a high expectations you know I’m understanding what I’m coming from the the the it’s a it’s a mutual agreement okay that the mutual agreement is that I am going to be a cal man and I’m going to support
This fraternity for a lifetime you know I mean uh my their that’s my agreement to you what I just like to see just in the future is just more more reciprocity okay and more uh more things specifically designed for our uh you know for our brothers you know I mean
Not you know not the stuff we doing for cap that’s great stuff not the stuff we doing for St jws and some of the other stuff we’re doing for the marchad dimes that all that stuff is important stuff but you also got to pour and invest more into your brothers because
Right because we’re we’re the one that got a he this water for you you know what I’m saying you guys are the ones who are boots to the ground yes you know I mean and and um you know you know and I I allude to uh you know
Uh my my experience as an undergraduate and though there’s been you know other people that had horrific experiences as undergrads you know I’m saying which none of that which I condone you know what I’m saying I think the only thing that’s really missing now is that there used to be a
Time when when you became a c of man that that uh coming of age you know what I’m saying it was a Coming of Age it was it was the the ritual it really what it did as an undergraduate it finally made me a
Man you get what I’m saying like yo I am a Kappa it’s hard it’s hard to become a Kappa it’s very difficult even if you got even if you make make all the criteria like I said the timing is there too you know I mean and I just think
That that is the last thing we miss and I think we solidify that we find a way to uh for these young Brothers Brothers want to feel part of something they want to feel like and it’s not anything that you could buy you can’t buy it
Yeah you know what I’m saying you can’t buy it and and and and and people want to feel a part of something you know mean when you go to basic training when you go to Ranger school when you go to jump school when you go to any of
These you know training and stuff like that the the the standards are set High because the stakes are high you know Stakes are higher we talking about life and death here yeah you know what I mean I feel the same way about C you know the stakes are high because you know black
Men you know uh the we are we are the engine that’s that’s driving these things you know I mean you can’t and and without without our women you know I mean there and and and providing us that emotional and spiritual support you know I mean you can’t be there for the kids
You get what I’m coming from all this this this whole thing is connected yeah it’s very much connected you know what I mean and and we we have got to find more ways to not only connect ourselves with each other and be a pillar for one another you know what I’m saying but
Also be once you come a pillar for one another once I can you know men just don’t men don’t hunt together you know what I mean like there’s a lot of things black men we should be doing more together so that we can feel more connected okay you get what I’m saying
Okay and I think that would help with you know some of the things that’s happening with the you know with with suicide and with mental health and with spiritual health and with financial literacy and all those things we’re we’re we’re not connected strong enough you know what I mean in these
Fraternities is one of the few places where where the where you have an opportunity to connect with one another you know what I mean and and I think you know hopefully we will see more programs where it’s D is being driven from the top down it’s
Being done from bottom up for sure okay but you know me but I’d love to see more things happen from the top down that is uh going to help Drive help us drive change because uh you know I don’t you know uh I I don’t ever want to
Be in a position where you know uh papa is not here for whatever reason you know I mean and and we need the rest of the envir we need those omegas we need those sigas we need Alice we we need each other you know what I’m saying
We we need each other so that we can fight back oppression we need each other so we can help build our communities we need each other so we can uh combat you know Financial illiteracy you know I mean we need each other so that uh Our Generation the kids are better off for
Having parents that were part of these organizations you know I mean there not something we you know it’s not like um being a part of organization we we shouldn’t be just you know high fiving and you know I got me a jacket look yeah you know what
I’m saying like you know and we just you know uh you know we we got we having chapters having white parties and golf events and all these things I mean it is great you know I mean that that’s a great showcase yeah you know what I’m
Saying but we have a purpose have we our purpose and and to me it starts with investing in you know in our brothers you know what I mean you you don’t invest enough in your brothers then you definitely can’t invest into the community as much yeah you know I
Remember uh when I was a little girl you know the the the communities that the black men would kind of have their time together was your fraternities or your Masons or the Elk Lodge or whatever and it’s very vital because at that particular time Brothers didn’t know about Mental Health Services but you
Still you still needed a collective space to decompress and you know hey hey my wife getting on my nerves today or you know the kids but you know um I don’t think people really understand the bigger picture and and what these spaces and and these organizations provide and
It’s just so women do such a great job of creating safe spaces for each other you know what I’m saying um one of the few safe spaces I have is with with C you know what I’m saying um and so uh you know I I just don’t
Think we I just don’t think we really view we we don’t really feel it that way you know what I mean like you know we just got to do we just got to do better in in being intentional okay with uh providing you know not just you know hey I love
Cigars yeah yeah yeah we Let’s Have a Cigar you know we we have a drink yeah let’s let’s do that but what’s the biger purpose here what’s the bigger hey man we’re not talking about how to make more money how to invest this money you know what I’m saying if we’re not talking
About how to you know uh you know the next the next project we’re doing if we’re not if if the goals we’re setting for ourselves if if this if if we’re setting goals that doesn’t seem impossible to reach that means we are absolutely not reaching high enough and
Leave a legacy for the uh 2090 C generation correct correct correct okay corre so what do we have to do to get you to be pollark for a day so we can have all these initiatives take man look we have to do campaign or what n it
Don’t work that that way not in Kappa don’t work that way in Kappa man I think uh you know I think our uh I think our our po Mars and are doing such phenomenal work and they got a lot on their plate that they yeah you know I
Mean you know um you know uh and I think hopefully you know hopefully somebody see it and you know it’ll spark you know nothing else conversation yeah you know I mean you know let’s start the conversation of how do we you know we we’re we are solving some problems but
We’re leaving other problems out there you know I mean and all of it’s not going to be solved you know I mean so you know it’s impossible to solve all you got to start somewhere you gotta start some you gotta start somewhere and then you know the younger brothers
Coming in and hearing this might be saying hey wait a minute down the line I want I want this to be impactful for me still I want something you you know this to be lifelong like you you’re telling me this is a lifelong commitment so it
Is we need to make some adjustments here so you know yeah but we’re in good hands man we got some phenomenal brothers that’s com to through we’re in great hands you know I’m not one of brothers that try to I’m not want to get off my L Bros you know
What I’m saying you know I me hey man you know hey that the young boys want to do let them do it you know what I’m saying you know want to get up here and make Tik toks all day hey let because it’s a different day yeah we just gota
We gotta teach them the business you know what I’m saying stop being you know like I’m it’s funny it’s so funny me because like I said you know I’ve been in frat 23 years there’s a whole bunch of stuff I’m looking like okay hey yeah said hey man but the ladies
Like it so what kind I say oh yeah that’s that cap they the L the Ladi like so you know what I mean it’s not you know but but again I had my time in as an undergrad man you know hey I had a
Look I don’t want to hear it I know you had a good time I don’t want to hear it hey look look let me tell you something let tell you something let me tell you something if time travel is a thing and I can go back to to to fall
2000 uh just before I graduated you know what I’m saying and when I was one of the most popular persons on the man I wasn’t the man but I was one I was I was in great Camp I was in great company it was the time of my life man the I had
The time of my life as an undergraduate as a I mean I had a great time anyway but when I became a Kappa and we will go all over the state you know comp step show your stuff didn’t stink did you did oh man look look look let me tell you
Something and look I know we got I know we’ve been on the on the line here man for an hour but but I want to tell you a funny story you know what I’m saying so it was Circa 2000 and we were uh we had crossed that
Spring and we came back for that fall okay and so I pled at Thea five chapter that’s the Troy Alabama right and so U there’s a step show that was being put on at Alabama A&M huntville Alabama so that’s about a good three-hour drive there right and so at
The time there was this guy that was doing the shows his name was showbo showbo Productions right and we had this whole act where we came in on Phil Phil Collins I can feel it in tonight right but but we did the the first part of it where you know before
The beat drop right so but like the first minute and a half is all intros man and uh we came out there we had all this like black tuxedo and stuff like that and we had our pain inside tucked inside our pants so you we came out
There we’ll just you know just kind of you know just walking out on stage and uh and he he all go you know what I’m saying and so when the when the beat dropped then we pulled out our canes and we start buing the canes so these stages ain’t that well put
Together they’re not that well put together and so when you practice steep when it came eventually it will it you’ll make a little like a little slant it you you’ll hit it so many times on the ground to where you make almost like a point okay and so I’m sitting
Up you know what I’m saying and my my can got stuck between the oh the little crease of the the floor yeah on the in between the crease K go slid across the stage care drop this Kane look I he A Kappa dropped this Kane I grabb that Kane and then we did the to number P hit my hand hands sweaty now I’m nervous you you dropped your cane twice two times in about 15 seconds we still came in third uh I think third place but we we made up for
It but man the lights man it but I redeem we redeemed ourselves we won a homecoming step show at our school uh that like a month later yeah man that was good times going to step shows is always good times always good where did you go to
Undergrad at UCLA oh look look no no no that’s Fox character that’s uh we call it yeah Fox chapter matter of fact John Singleton is a UCA news yes yes you USC yeah UCLA that that’s me so when you said predominantly white you know I it
Was just a few of us as a matter of fact the year I started there was no cues on campus so one of my friends Ethiopian he actually was the very first one that started the um what year did you come out I’m older than you well I need to
Know the year I started UCLA 1987 oh you’re not that much though you you you a little seasoned not that much season I’m a l season yeah but there was on campus there was only um when I started there was no cues and you know being on the west coast there’s
There was no such thing as Sigma gamaro I i’ never i’ never Sigma gamaro until I was grad school so yeah that’s Saro is is is very big in the midwest yeah very big and now uh I mean I think I just woke up one day and and heard it was
Divon N I had I just like what happened where did I miss but now there’s some the that that happened um like in ’95 96 when they included Iota 5 Theta because originally they called themselves the elite eight okay right because Iota um is is the youngest out of all of us and
They was found in 1963 so you know it took them you know took them a a minute before the they voted in by the pantic council but you everybody else is is like 100 years old oh yeah yeah well there’s a few that still haven’t no yeah everybody 100 everybody’s
100 everybody old yeah yeah we I got a partner of mine man um he’s a iot teas man you found still setting out the stealth man what I think that’s the beauty of it all though even though you have brothers that are indifference uh we can still
You know we can still come together and yeah well let me ask you this random question cuz you and I uh we talk for a while here so oh oh you going in the in the Fishbowl yeah I got me a random question I got me a random question let
Me see go shoot so you still got some canes on the wall there somewhere along the way in the house you got a can man no I I I need to wrap me a new cane I I gave all my I normally give my canes
Away um um when I when I make a brother and I normally give it to my check man okay awesome yeah let me see here what we got well I don’t know this you might have done everything here uh what’s one item on your bucket
List ah man um I would like to uh clim c m Phar okay yeah there was um I I saw social media maybe a while ago it was a group of sisters that just just did that collectively together so yeah okay okay well so um
Go ahead dig dig one more dig in one more one more random oh you want one more yeah one more because that was such a short answer I didn’t have anything behind it one more question this one this one too how often do you look at your phone every day oh too too
Often that’s that new stuff hey look man let me tell you something let me tell you something I’m waiting for a a email back I interview for for a job uh I’m not going to say the name of the job you know the company but um so so I’m in grad
School um thank you I’m getting an MBA from uh from VCU Virginia comwe University right okay and so uh one of the things I want to do postmilitary I didn’t not necessarily want to work for the government anymore like not for the federal not on the
Basis even you guys retire and go back into DOD a lot of right yeah yeah yeah man and it’s you know um and you know the Lord’s the Lord is really ordering my steps and and making things happen for me so I I just gota be patient and
Wait right um but uh I interviewed for this job on Friday this past Friday I’ve been checking my phone like yo is these folks going to D give me my follow-up interview or what like yo like hey I’m ready that’s that military thing but but but you know I never have to interview
For a job not like that I’ve never done a panel interview I I prepped for That interview for a week and a half okay I don’t know what has it you know it’s been a while since uh my father did you have to interview in the military my dad
Just it’s a it’s interview but not yeah so it’s whether or not the commander want you or not I mean the commander says it go but I didn’t have to meet with four random people and get asked 10 questions so and then get called back for a
Followup interview this is all new right so this is all new to me you know I mean and so it’s um and so when I’m hope so this is what I’m hoping happening so my uh my my current contract the company I’m with right now the contract ends on June 30th
Like I don’t even know after June 30 I have a job like well first of all I don’t have a job little little stressful you’ve had a job your whole life right you see what I’m saying but you know so and so the the way I’m looking at it is well
There’s a reason why is because this job is for me this this job I I interview for okay is I’mma get that job there you go and I’m not gonna have to even have to worry about there you go there you this job here anymore you know what I mean there you
Go and so that that’s that’s just the light I’m trying to you know trying to shine um and the positivity that I’m trying to you know try trying to promote and U and U Miss Miss re you know this is is something I know I know you told
Me I a had to call you but you know I’m G put a handle on it every time if I you know if I can if I can um I really really appreciate you you know allowing me to talk you know talk about my fraternity man I love cze so much you
Know what I’m saying I I love being a part of this organization um it is the Premier organization you know there is not another I’m sure that you can get the same things out of any of these other organizations I’m I’m sure it it is all
The say on the surface but uh but just like I told you man the bond you know that I share with well not a whole bunch of people but a select few people you know my lbs and and here we are 23 years later we still in touch we still you
Know I mean we still talk on a on a regular enough basis there there’s some that we haven’t talked to in a while but then then they’ll pop up and like and like nothing happen you know what I mean you know that that those are are our friendships life life you Martin
Lawrence and Eddie Murphy life yes you know I mean and the funny thing is like we stuck with each other like yo man as hey man I’m not your friend bro I’m your brother yes you can’t we didn’t choose each other you know Papa chose but you know and and
Those are fundamental Lessons Learned in the pledging process because there is uh struggle yes is fight but we are a team and we have to get through this we have to you know it’s it’s I mean I just it’s just it’s just it’s just so impactful
For your journey as you you pass through life to have those experiences so but anyways let me let me close this up because we will be here four hours later still talking and and um you got you gotta pair it down you gotta edit this
Down how long how how much air time you got well it could be as long as forever but you know we will have talked as long so those people will call you back and say hey you got the job so come on in on uh oh anyways let me go
Ahead let me go ahead wrap this up we G finish this later um so before we go uh just let me know your chapter what um y’all have coming up I saw y’all had a white party yeah we did we did that was did I see you in that line entering the
Building that no ma’ I actually I was working uh this past Saturday so I so I missed it uh um but um you know just be you know just be on the be on the lookout we our our fall is going to be J packed uh with different things uh specifically our
Community invol you know Community engagements um we we just gave out about $6,000 worth of scholarships this past this past um to several high school students and some uh college kids that still need it um you know if there’s any brothers out there uh and you’re looking
For a chapter a home chapter and you don’t have one this like alter that’s alter I like that I like that yeah you know especially if you’re in in the Greater Richmond area you don’t have a home a home chapter you know find find a
Chapter to join um but Fort Le alumni uh we are our uh Mantra is uh keeping it brotherly you know what I’m saying our uh you know our Mantra is brand and bonding you know what I mean we have a a great mix of of brothers that is here
Both military and civilian okay um and and we we are a small chapter um in numbers you know what I mean but we are huge huge impact and um you know and and and and we we say all the time you know we tell our story but you know everything ain’t meant for
Social media either so you know a lot of things we do you know especially when we started talking about impacting individual households you know someone that’s going through a hardship and stuff like that you know we we’re not publicizing that stuff you know I mean what’s the general
Rule you have to be an hour or so within the chapter to be a member are there guidelines for that no you no no we have we have members um we have members of our chapter that’s all the way up in Alexandria for example you know I mean
That’s two hours away um you know it’s just you know it’s especially in today’s climate with uh because we for the first my first 20 years of the Frat Zoom wasn’t a thing if you wasn’t at the meeting you was you just wasn’t at the meeting right and now with zoom it
Allows us to prioritize our family but still prioritize Kaa right so like you know I was a primary officer last year there were times when I was in I was in grad school because my gra you know my classes on the weekend you know I’ll step out of class for
About 45 minutes and I’ll zoom in until the chapter meeting because you know yeah correct you know what I’m saying so so now I mean it is allowed U one of the new boys um you know he would log in he was all the way in
Kuwait for 90 days and he’ll log in from Kuwait you know I mean just to be there look at the right right so yeah so so that’s why you know I mean like that’s why I tell Brothers you know like hey you might not be in the area but we are
Committed to keep you fully informed fully uh embraced um in what’s what’s happening uh locally and and anything that we can do for you you know I mean you know where wherever you are you know we’re all for it so right so that’s what it’s
About man and um and and I think that um you know I think there’s just room there’s just Room to Grow you know um as you I mean as as everybody should as as as every organization should because these young kids are coming in and they have different expectations and they
Need to carry the fraternity forward and and how it started and and the needs that it needed to fulfill back in 1911 it might not be so in it’s not not same lot lot has changed a lot has changed in the last 100 years yeah you
Know we have changed as people you know I mean and and what is socially acceptable yeah and you know um I think I think you’re going to see a Resurgence of of of black Greek life I think um black Greek life is as as important as it ever been and I think
That it is uh we are putting more and more people out front You Know Than You Know Than Ever you know than ever before I mean um and there people that you wouldn’t even know that part of these organizations and it ain’t for you to know and that’s a great thing ain’t for
For everybody to know do the work yeah that that this person is is part of what we’re doing and sometimes it’s better that people don’t know you know I mean so uh yeah so uh I I just I’m I’m blessed you know I’m blessed to have you
Know been chosen to be a part of this over Clan many are called but few few are chosen even few make it through that’s all for this week’s episode of the mil respect all right all right I’m your hostar talk to everybody I’ll see everybody next time
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