Welcome Greek you Nations episode number 426 of the fraternity foodie podcast I’m your host Mike Eon CEO of Greek University I’m a speaker and an author our fifth book came out at Christmas time it’s called perseverance and how to be a great fraternity or s alumnus so I
Want you to go and pick up that book on Amazon or Barnes & Noble today we call these episodes the fraternity foodie podcast because there is nothing like great food to bring fraternity and sorority leaders together fun fact I love talking about disability services on this show because there are so many
That potentially could impact a college student today things like ADHD blindness brain injuries death learning disabilities medical disabilities physical disabilities psychiatric disabilities even speech and language disabilities so as we have this conversation today on the podcast I want you to think about your particular student organization and whether it’s
Truly accessible on your campus to these students if they are interested in joining your organization all right let’s get on to our guest Dr John McAllister is a productive and recognized higher education scholar with professional experience in graduate education blindness and visual impairments graduate education program coordination student affairs Academic
Program Administration and yes Disability Services management Dr McAllister maintains an active research agenda that examines race gender and disabilities in American higher education diversity issues and college access and achievement the effects of Education policies and campus environments on racial and ethnic minority student outcomes as well as access to programs and accommodations
For students who have disabilities he also participates in multiple higher education and Blind and Visually Impaired professional associations via committees and certification and continuing education programs welcome to the show Dr mallister good morning how are how is everyone we’re doing great we are doing great I love that you’re wearing your
Omega Sci-Fi fraternity Incorporated shirt today for frat Friday I absolutely love it you are ready for the show thank you all right so I want to talk a little bit about your upbringing because I think this is really interesting because when you were a kid you were originally
Living living in the black neighborhood of kinlock and then your father ended up moving the family into this white neighborhood in Ferguson Missouri but you were only the third black family in that particular neighborhood so I want you to talk to our audience about that adjustment when you moved into Ferguson
Missouri and how did that prepare you for your career ahead oh so it was um um it was when I when I think back on um the the move um it was a time when um I moved there in 1976 so that was approximately three to four years after blacks were allowed to
Move into white areas due to the fair housing act being passed and so when I when I came there it was um it was a culture shock I I came from a homogeneous black neighborhood um which is the uh only um black um owned and operated city in in
Missouri in St Louis and so that’s called kenlock Missouri and so when I moved to Ferguson um it was like being a fish out of water basically so I moved there in 1976 at 5 years old about to turn six and at that age my mother
Had had to talk to me about race so you can imagine um having to sit down and attempt to educate a child a 5-year-old about race I have currently have an eight-year-old and to speak to her about race and to have her to understand race is something that is
Unimaginable uh but it was something that we had to um she had to discuss with me because um there were individuals who didn’t want us in the neighborhood and um you know I kind of experienced racism um from an early age and it was um quite devastating um but my mother
And my grandmother they made sure that I was safe and I had and I felt safe and I was able to express myself um as it pertains to being treated differently yeah I mean I can’t even imagine having that conversation uh you know with a child at five years old I
Mean that’s a hard enough conversation with a teenager let alone somebody who’s five and to basically say hey you’re gonna potentially experience some racism here in Ferguson uh as a five-year-old I mean that’s that’s hard for me to get my arms around uh that conversation and how
That goes and what that impact would have on the rest of your career that conversation really um you know and the other really interesting thing about you is that you started working at the Arkansas School for the Blind as an orientation and Mobility specialist what did you learn in this position and talk
To our audience about why this has become really a lifelong passion for you in terms of working with the blind so um working with individuals with disabilities in general is a passion for me um because uh at an early age my mother and my grandmother they made sure that I
Understood that people no matter what what their challenges were they were still human beings and um so when I started working at the Arkansas School for the Blind um I I transitioned from working with individuals with mental disabilities to physical disabilities basically so I have a bachelor’s degree in Psychology
From phanda Smith University which is um historically black college here in Arkansas in Little Rock and then I went over to the University of arkans saw at Little Rock um and I got a master’s degree in um Rehabilitation of the blind with an emphasis in orientation Mobility
Now you ask what did I learn what um so one thing I learned is that there is a difference between vision and sight so sight is what we actually see a vision to have Vision really doesn’t require sight it requires you to have the word withth all to understand that the
World operates and you have to operate within the world to make it better so a blind man can have Vision basically um because uh in the field of blindness blind people don’t see race they don’t see color they see character and so your character will carry you longer further
Than your color ever will so if you have if you have good character um uh it’ll take you places and open doors that will never close for you and it don’t matter what your race is and so I learned that working with the Blind and Vigilant par
You don’t have to have sight to have Vision wow that’s a that’s a powerful lesson I think in terms of uh character and the importance of that um especially as you know later we’ll talk a little bit more about fraternity and sorority life and some of the values that we
Commit to uh but you’re absolutely right I think if you have good character um you know people will seek you out people will want to work with you no matter what um and uh and that stays with you for a lifetime and hopefully um that impression of what you just said really
Falls on uh our listeners and they really take that to heart um you received your Masters in college student affairs from the University of Arkansas at Little Rock then you went on to get your doctorate from the University of Arkansas in higher education Administration you know I’m right now in
A doctorate program um in uh assessment learning and Student Success um at Middle Tennessee State University and you know one of the the main questions that you know we tackle really from day one is talking about Student Success so what is your definition of Student Success and talk to us about how today’s
Fraternities and sororities help contribute to Student Success so my my defin my definition of Student Success um so I I think it’s um twofold first of all as a student to be successful uh in higher education you have to have some time management and you have to be able
To manage time and what I consider Student Success is a student who comes into a university setting or a college setting and they don’t too much know about how to manage time and then over a period of time they get the time management skills along with the study
Skills which translates into them being successful um students who are making uh appropriate grades to matriculate that’s one another part of Student Success is uh to me uh by me working in student affairs before is the student successfully integrates into the college campus and college environment
Because if they don’t then they will not be successful in the other things so the first thing is the student has to come in and integrated into the society or to the college um to the college environment so that they um seek out opportunities to be successful and they
Learn and they um they learn how to be successful and they uh it’s I think it’s really important I know when I was at phand Smith college coming in as a freshman we had peer tutors and those peer Tutors or peer models or Role Models they taught us how to go do
Registration how to um kind of if you having a problem go how to speak with your professor in the right Manner and so I think that um Student Success is twofold once is it’s one with grades and two with integrating into the college environment makes total sense so how do
Fraternities and sororities help with that how does Omega sci-fi help with that interesting that’s a good lead and that’s a good follow-up question so um um I I became an Omega in 1990 so I was a second semester freshman so um when you become a part of a organization or
Fraternity or sorority you automatically um have this network of friends um who will kind of Mentor you into becoming successful most often times it also um when especially in a in a black fraternity of sorority you become a part of the fabric of a campus and so you’re automatically kind of um
Welcomed into the community um and so that gives you some connection to the campus which is important for you to be able to want to come back and finish or sustain and finish and so and you have to particularly in Omega Sai you have to maintain a 2.5 GPA to stay active on
Campus um uh in my chapter in particular um most of all of us graduated um we have like 90% graduation rate 80% graduation rate um so we didn’t uh in my chapter wasn’t enough to just become an Omega and become become a q dog so to
Speak the Big Man on Campus you had to graduate there was something that you you that was um that was pushed on us you know it’s not only do you have to become an Omega but you have to graduate I love that and you know I
Really push back on a lot of uh college fraternity men sority women to really understand the numbers what is the graduation rate for fraternity and sority members on your campus what is the retention rate see now you start talking about the language of higher education and if you can show the
Retention rate is significantly higher than unaffiliated students now we’re talking now we’re starting to cook and uh and that’s really what I want you know the students to be familiar with on their campus because that is uh really now in alignment with the goals of the institution and now we can do something
With that in terms of investing in the fraternity sorority Community Etc um you know I’m just curious too because I’m sure at an HBCU you had a lot of choices in terms of organizations that you could have joined um you know there were other uh you know fraternities there in the
Divine n um and even at pwi I mean there’s plenty of other organizations to choose as well so why did you choose Omega SciFi over the other organizations on campus it’s it’s funny that you said that when I came to campus you know a lot a lot of times people find
Identities in fraternities and roties right I already had an identity when I came to campus I was just know it’s naturally myself I always owned my space whatever space I occupied I owned it and so um I actually all every every fraternity called me and said hey man
You need to come over to the to the um to the smoker or to the um information session and I was like nah no I don’t think so a lot of my a lot of my friends and one of my mentors he was all he was
A member of kaide and so he was also from St Louis so mostly everybody that was at my school from St Louis was kappas right so they came I was like nah sigas came I was like nah the alphas came n the only one that didn’t call me
Was Omega and that’s the one I sought out for myself because they didn’t call me they weren’t they weren’t um they weren’t so inviting you know what I mean uh they weren saying oh you need to come over here here they you know just kind of they number one they
Fit my personality I’m just a laidback type of guy I like to be myself I don’t want to have to live up to a stereotype just this just not who I am as an individual right so I like to be myself it gave me some individuality I
Knew I could be myself I didn’t have to live up to a stereotype and I liked the the Brotherhood of Omega sappi that is interesting that that’s fascinating that everybody called you except Omega and somehow you’re like all right now I’m going to go after you because you didn’t call
Me you know just like like it’s sort of like having a girl all the girls tell you yeah and then one of them tell you no that’s the one you chase that’s the one the one that said no it’s a challenge right that is hilarious that is absolutely hilar and all those
Organizations are amazing I mean I know yes they are I have great friends in all those organizations that you listed and I will tell you they are amazing incredible people so for you to say no to all of them and go out for the one that didn’t talk to you it was amazing
To me but okay all right listen I mean it obviously worked out so so so um um um it’s sort of like um my personality is I like a challenge yeah so I told my wife all um she my wife was a marine I told my wife if I was ever in arm
Services they be a marine that’s the toughest one to get into I want to get into the other stuff I want to get into toughest one the tough I like a challenge yeah yeah I can see that about your personality so that makes sense now
Now that I think about it you know the other issue is is that alcohol abuse and hazing really continues to be a problem on college campuses all across the country uh you know that fraternities and sororities we believe in scholarship we believe in service we believe in Brotherhood yet all of these stereotypes
And all the negative behaviors prevent students from joining our fraternities and sororities to to the point where the parents are basically like no you can’t join because I’ve heard all these terrible things in the news so how do we flip the script and now change the narrative within fraternity and sorority
Life to actually be in alignment with the values that you and I committed to when we joined at the altar so I believe that um all fraternities whether it’s white or black they have this um this this misconception on what it means to be in the fraternity or sorority number one especially from
The person who on the outside looking in like a parent um let me uh go back some I play as Omega in 1990 so I was the last line of Omega Sai Fraternity in the history to ever pledge like they pledged in the
Old days on top I had I had a lamp um I wore lamp stuff I had a brick I had a real lamp I had a lamp on my neck and we could actually Pledge on top outside and so um a lot of people uh are trying to be purveyors of Heritage and
Keep things alive that should not be kept alive uh due to um over time mostly every fraternity and OT has been sued for Hazen and whether it’s alcohol all are physical um and so it is important as individuals that we understand that these fraternities and sororities have insurance policies and every time a
Student is hazed or the fraternity is found to have permitted hazing that policy is hit number one number two that policy raises on the fraternity or sord number two and in the the public eye you give your fraternity your sority your black eye so as an individual who
Understands the business of a fraternity now at first I understood the me only the membership part of it right because I was 18 years old I was enjoying the fraternity but as I as I matriculated into a man I understand the business side of it and I have children so I
Understand the parent side of it um and uh I just know that some things were not meant to continue as they are and one thing is the Haz and it’s not meant to continue as it is um I I I would hate for a young person to lose their life um
Trying to become uh any trying to become a member of any organization as um fraternity arero so it is important that we we kind of change the change the narrative and the only way you change the narrative is you find these sweeping things happening over the landscape of Eternity and and
Sororities number one number one if a student comes in they already signed a no Hazen contract and they have to take a course and understand what Hazen is what is not and so you you kind of get these things put in place where you eliminate the possibility for hazing and then in the
Event that hazing does happen it is no longer on the fraternity itself it is on the individual number one because you signed a contract saying that you w going to let participate in hazan and number two is on it’s on the individual who was actually committing hazing which is kind
Of um so to speak uh eliminating the fraternity from having some responsibility for a an individual doing something that they don’t have any business doing like Haz and so um unfortunately this is a l litigious um era everybody wants to litigate about something and so uh it is important that um graduate
Chapters um on campus advisors and um and Leadership on on campuses um reinforce the fact that Hazen is not allowed and I always say sometimes you got to hang one at High Noon to keep the other ones from keep the other ones in line so if somebody’s somebody’s doing
Something and Hazen and and doing something to hurt a child or another young person you know I feel for you because I understand you’re a young person too but at the same time I don’t because you understand that this is not an acceptable behavior at this time yeah
Well thank you for saying all that and I agree with you completely I think you know um number one you know we as alumni have to speak out on this issue and make sure that the chapters are not engaging in that behavior and then number two
You’re right for those that do engage in it um you know we have to throw the book at them so that way people understand that this is just not allowed it’s not accepted and if you do engage in that behavior you’re going to be prosecuted
You know but as long as the judges will throw these cases out and basic say well you know we can’t do this this kid is 18 you know we can’t we can’t do this to this kid I mean unfortunately the message is never going to sink in and uh
So there has to be prosecution when they’re found guilty of this activity it has to be um so I agree with you there completely um you know the other thing is at Arkansas Baptist College I know that you worked as the Director of disability services so in your mind what
Are some ways that today’s fraternity and sorority chapters can make their organizations more attractive more inclusive more accessible to those students who have disabilities okay so um you asked me a question but I have to go back to the previous um number three third question you asked me about getting a master’s
Degree in student affairs yeah and so I I got a master’s degree in student affairs um because I wanted to make sure that students who were blind and visually impaired got a fair Shake on college campuses right so I had this um in in the beginning of my career I had
This extremely BL uh bright blind young lady who went blind from menitis at 16 so she was extremely bright she graduated from the school for the blonde she um went to um institutional higher education in Tennessee and they did not she ended up failing out because they did not provide her with adequate
Materials in a reasonable time frame and and this young lady was smart and so I realized at that point that I had to make a difference in the lives of individuals who had disabilities because if I don’t speak up for them who will so fast forward to working at Arkansas Baptist College
When I was in my um um practicum phase or student teaching phase of of um the uh master’s degree I went and uh one of our assignments was to be able to create a office uh on a college campus that did not exist and so I was I was able to um work
At Arkansas Baptist College and I created the Office of disabilities Support Services which was the first time that it had been created in the history of the of the of the college so I thought to myself well what what is happening with individuals who have disabilities if they want to attend this
College and and the answer was nothing they weren’t getting anything which is out of line with what federal guidelines say especially when you receive federal Monies so any place that receive federal monies they have to abide by the uh Ada uh Disability Act 1990 and Ada and the rehab Act 1973
These things kind of uh shape and molde how we treat individuals in higher education or an education period right and so um I wanted to make sure number one that the college was doing right by students and number two uh that the students got a fair Shake uh as it
Pertain to having a disability no matter if it’s physical mental um perceptional you know I wanted to make sure they had um they they were getting treated correctly um and as it speaks to fraternities and sorties how we make things more accessible um if we want to talk about
Ex accessibility we have to talk about um things that we can do do uh most often times that don’t put the fraternity in a situation where it costs a lot of money so there are some there are some limitations to Ada like if a per if if a building is going to cost
Too much to renovate then you can add things to it that don’t make you have to spend all of the money that you need to some of the things that you can do especially on a college campus is if you’re having a uh information session you can have it
Located on the first floor of buildings if you know especially on HBCU some of the buildings are older right and they don’t have elevators so if you have things um those those uh information sessions on first floor when you walk in the building it’s easy easily accessible
They can get to the first floor get to the room normally what I try to do is uh make sure that we have it in a sit a place where um it’s not hard to find and if you think about that uh you put it in
A place where it’s not hard to find or in a building that is accessible then you are really um opening the fraternity up to get a wide range of individuals who are interested in um joining the fraternity as it pertains to individuals with disabilities who may have mental disabilities um fraternities and
Sororities currently do not allow hazing so um I believe that um overall fraternities and sororities are becoming inclusive because you don’t have that requirement or that thing happening where you could push somebody mentally to break right with Hazen um um as it pertains to fraternity houses if you
Have one in uh your fraternity happens to have a fraternity house um some of the easier easier things to do is to um create places where you have a ramp to get up uh because most often times fraternity houses are housed in historic districts especially uh I know what HBCU
Are most often times fraternity houses they are housed in historic districts and those older homes have at least two or three stairs sets of stairs to get into the house to even access the home and so you can add the U different types of ramps um you can um also designate handicap
Parking um I’ve done a lot of work with um different um entities here in Little Rock one I was on a walk ability committee over at the University of Arkansas medical sciences and so the reason reason being is that they were having um uh disabled parking so far away from the
Building that if it was raining the person would be soaked by the time they get to the building um then they were having ramps that were not um there were not 88 standards like too too too steep to get in so you had to kind of cut the ramp down make it start
Start long start further away and kind of gradually get up into the building um so you know I I did a lot of work with when I went to Arkansas Baptist not only did I create the office of disability services but I made the campus accessible I made buildings accessible I
Made I made sure that there was handicapped parking and and and and and it’s crazy because a lot of people don’t ever think about it but there are a specific spe number of spaces that you have to have if you have a parking lot that’s so big you know you have to have
Specific amount of spaces and um as a person who does not have a disability people in general don’t think about those things they don’t think about accessibility we don’t think about um how long it takes to do something because this something that we just don’t think about and so um with
Fraternities and sororities nowadays you do see individuals with disabilities and fraternities and sororities and that is a good thing because um I think that fraternities and sororities have to mimic the real population it can’t be some Elite group of people you have to mimic the population right and so um it is
Important that uh fraternities and sororities uh begin to um try to make things accessible for individuals yeah I’m with you well listen uh your contributions are just incredible at Arkansas Baptist College and everywhere else that you go so uh I love you know what you’re bringing to a college campus
And uh I love your thoughts about why it’s important to have diverse students including ones let’s say with a physical disability for example um and why that’s important you know ultimately I think uh you know it makes us better to have all those different lenses as an organization
Um it helps us to solve problems faster um and I think it makes for a better organization so um so that’s all amazing you know now you’re an associate professor you’re also the program coordinator for Rehab of the blind at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock tell our audience like what are
Your responsibilities in this position um so let me start by saying the field of blindness is a very small field so when I took this position in 2015 I became the first a African-American male in the history of the field of blindness to run a program at a at a predominantly white
Institution and so that within itself um well let’s talk about some of my my position uh duties so I am responsible for coordinating this program all the way through from the beginning to the end I um I advise my students from the day one till they matriculate and and then I
Also assist students with um getting uh internships and practicums uh that’s part of the duties um um man I have so many duties this is I can’t begin to explain them all um of course I teach courses um and I work with constituents in the in the in the
Community um to get students to be able to stay uh they come to so the program is mostly online in the summer times they come to Arkansas and we uh this is where they get the skills portion the blindfold sessions um so in order to
Teach the blind you have to be blind to understand how these Concepts and skills work so um they spend three weeks under blindfold um every day and they learn they start on the inside which we call inside travel and then they advaned to outside travel um and um the outside travel is
Really Advanced Travel you you cross four lanes of traffic under the blindfold you travel downtown you ride buses you get on escalators you ride elevators you do you you ascend and descend stairs um so it is a really intense three- week um session and it happens you have to participate in it
Twice summer one and summer two that’s requirement and then after that you you um I coordinate practicums and I coordinate internships um I have about 10 affiliation agreements with vas around the country where I send interns to have a paid internship so that they’re just not trying to complete those 350 hours
For free so they actually get paid a ba salary um my program in particular is one of the oldest program prrs in in the country it is one of the oldest ones that has been continuously accredited um it is uh the first program to go
Online so we have a we have really good program man that’s amazing I love the work that you’re doing I think it’s absolutely incredible so thank you for laying that out for our audience I think that’s just incredible work one other thing I wanted to talk to you about I
Was wondering you know how do we get more diversity among tenur professors and administrators on a college campus I mean you mentioned that you were uh the first black person to have a program like this you know I think all of this is incredibly important especially as our college student demographics are so
Diverse today so how do we how do we make more diversity among tenured professors oh so hey this is going to be a challenge right so we have two things things that are standing in the way that those two things are culture versus climate and let me explain those two so the culture
Is something that is ingrained right it is the hardest thing to change because if something has been working for a long time then if it’s not fixed don’t break it I mean if it’s not broke don’t fix it right where climate is the easiest thing
To change if I want to change the house something is viewed I could set into motion um these things with deiu um you know diversity and equity and inclusion I could um have all of these things but we have to embrace those things we just can’t put those
Things in place you have to embrace those things and enforce those things as it pertains to diversity excuse me in higher education we have have a culture of we have a culture of higher education being for the elite and when you look at the history of the United States who were the
Elite so you have to ask yourself that question who was higher education built for then um you have to look at history there’s two things that happened in history there one was women having the right to be educated and vote and what followed women were blacks right so when
You look at the um when you look at the history and how change happens in the United States most often times it will happen women and W women and um race go hand in hand something happens for women normally it happens for race something happens for race normally it happens for
Women they they kind of walk hand in hand as as change agents in the United States and um in particular in higher education we have to understand that we as African-Americans or minorities um and that’s women and and Asians and and whoever we have we’re behind the eightball because we got started late
Because it wasn’t created for us right so it we have a hard time convincing um The Establishment that we can do the job and we can do the job effectively right even though we go out and we attain these degrees from prestigious institutions you still have to prove
Yourself and that goes back to being in Ferguson I know you asked um how did this prepare me for my um position right and my responsibility how how does it affect um um diversity right so um I think that everything that happened in my life God
Made it happen for a reason right and that reason was for me to become comfortable with being uncomfortable because once you become uncomfortable with being and once you become comfortable with being uncomfortable then you own your space and that is that is number one thing you
Have to own your space right so it doesn’t bother me to be maybe one of a few kids in the in the in the in the on the playground that look like me that I’m I’m I’m okay with being uncomfortable because I I am U I’m very
Competent right if if I I learn things um if you look at my um my my history as far as work goes I’ve always started from the bottom and work my way to the Top If you look at my education I started not saying that the HBCU is the
Botom but I started at HBCU right then I went to a research 2 University and got two master’s degrees then I went to top the research one um institutionally and got a doctor degree right so what that shows you is is that I can survive in any situation or environment I I’ve been
Successful in those environments and so um what you learn in all three of those different environments is you learn a whole set of different Norms every every place you go in life has a different set of norms right and so you have to be able to be um you have to be intelligent
Enough to understand what the Norms are and um so in or let’s get back to the to the question if you um we have to change how individuals View minori basically um currently I work at an institution where there is about well not about just probably six black tenard
Faculties right faculty members and so I am in a in a position where I am you know kind of maybe a oneoff sometimes in any in any meeting right so um like I said I’ve just learned to become comfortable with being uncom comtable and I um and in order to do that you
Have to be able to work under stress because it’s not going to be stress free Nothing in life is stress free right and so you have to learn to work uh in high stress environments and you have to be successful in high high stress environments and you have to maintain
Your cool and high stress environments so I believe that um my my upbringing and you know being placed in a situation at five and six years old I had to um deal with racism and um different things that an early age um made my skin tough
So to speak as my Grandpa would say you got to have some tough skin right and so that made my ttin my skin tough and so um a lot of things that might bother some people and make them uncomfortable don’t make me uncomfortable that just
Lets me know that hey I got some work to do over here um with with this person or with with uh the way they viewing a certain situation man this has been great uh I really appreciate all the time you spent with us today I’ve learned a lot and I
Know our listeners have as well um you know the one thing about the Q dogs is I know you know where to go in Little Rock for really good food and I love good food here at the fraternity foodie podcast so the next time I’m in Little
Rock I need to know where I should be going for a great meal well I go to I go to um I I I would say Macintosh Macintosh is gonna be the spot the best sweet potato pie I ever had besides my mother’s U you got good hamburgers they
Got good hamburgers they have just got good food yeah and it’s been um uh it’s been in Little Rock um as long as I’m known when I came in 1989 the the the grandfather he was running it at that time and um he had he
Made this Hub cat burger and it was so big you could you could share it with your friends go in half and everybody have a meal and and get full and so yeah they U that’s who I that’s where I would I would say go to Macintosh yeah well
Listen if they have sweet potato pie that’s anything like your moms I’m going good actually my mother makes me bring them to St Louis on uh on uh on holidays bring her some pies yeah that makes a lot of sense to me I’m G to definitely go go and check that out next
Time I’m in town all right so if our students if they want to book you as a speaker on their college campus because obviously you have a lot to contribute where should they go in order to connect with you oh man so um my email address is Dr JW McAllister gmail.com
Um uh I’m also on Facebook is my name just my name John W McAllister um yeah that’s about it LinkedIn I’m on LinkedIn as myself as well yeah those those different platforms those are all good platforms definitely look them up Dr John W McAllister you can find him on
LinkedIn you can find him on Facebook reach out to him uh and let him know how he can help on your college campus because obviously there’s a lot of information here I know it’s going to be especially important for fraternities and sororities as they’re considering how they can make their organizations
More accessible um and uh and just college campuses in general uh obviously he’s got that body of work uh to show how he’s made college campuses more accessible in the past and will going forward um so I appreciate all of your contributions Dr McAllister I think you
Know the work that you’ve done is is incredible it’s important um and uh I just want to say thank you for everything that you’ve done we appreciate it thank you for having me you got it all right to our audience if you enjoyed this conversation with Dr
McAllister I want you to like it and I want you to share it with other college students that you know that also need to hear Dr McAllister’s words we hope you had fun and we hope to see you on another episode of the fraternity foodie podcast thanks so much for joining us
We’ll see you next Time yeah
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