Yesterday number of people came to me and said even if they have not attended any other session they’ make sure that they are here today because Justice nariman was speaking and from your presence here I’m sure all of you are looking forward to his address may I request The Honorable
Dignatories to please uh Grace the Das just nariman Justice sikri and Mr chandok for Honorable Mr Justice rohinton F nariman he did his schooling from Mumbai then graduation from shiram College of Commerce law from faculty of law llm from Howard and joined the bar Justice nariman was made Senior Council by the Chief Justice of India at the young age of 37 having practiced law for last 35
Years he has over 500 reported Supreme Court judgments to his credit before he was elevated as a judge of the Supreme Court of India on 7th July 2014 directly from the bar as on 30th January 2018 some exercise was done justice nariman has written 150 judgments he has been part of seven
Judgments delivered by the Constitution bench is between 2014 and 2017 three Landmark judgments relating to right to privacy freedom of speech and triple trog he was part of the bench which struck down section 66a of the information and Technology act 2000 I’m sure lot is known about Justice
Nariman there’s one fact I would like to bring to your notice Jus nariman was ordained priest from from bandra aari at the tender age of 12 years he has written the critically acclaimed book the inner fire Faith choice and modern day living on jism the book is a complete analysis of
The gatas which consist of 238 verses and is for everyone who wants to gain a deeper understanding of the purpose of life on Earth and what happens to mankind after death he has passion for and deep knowledge of Western classical music great interest in the Avid he’s has
Great interest in and Aid reader of History philosophy literature and science but for the fact that he took to the legal profession he could have been a priest a historian a philosopher or a musician that’s Justice nariman For You may I request Justice nariman to please address the Gathering
My dear friend Justice Arjun zikri Justice chandok my good friend JP Singh and all my good friends here Mahatma Gandhi the founder of our great nation is remember twice a year in January and every January this is the 70th year since he was assassinate is remembered first on 28th and 29th
January when the beating of the retreat which is a very beautiful ceremony that takes place every year and he’s remembered because his favorite hymn abide with me is what is played in his remembrance it’s a very beautiful hymn and is very beautifully played those of you who haven’t seen the ceremony must do
So the other day on which he is remembered is the unfortunate most unfortunate day 30th January when he was assassinated now 30th January is a day in history which for astrologers and numerologists is one of the most catac mic days for this reason great changes take place by
Either the coming into existence of a new leader or by the deaths of some very great people the first 30 January in history is in 16 1649 when King Charles I 1 lost his head and the result of his losing his head was that Parliament which was till
Then a truncated institution in England came to the for the second date which was cataclysmic again in history was 30th January 1933 when Hitler came to power that again as we see has led us to the second world war and at least 55 million deaths and the third and equally
Cataclysmic day was when the father of our great nation was assassinated Mahatma Gandhi to me at least is not only perhaps one of the greatest individuals That Ever Walked on this Earth but was one of the greatest mediators ever he was a mediation expert look at the mediations that he
Conducted and see their success rate the first thing he did was to try and reverse successfully thousands of years of discrimination within his own Community which he successfully did because the Untouchable or haran a word coined by him was now at last put upon the Indian map and our constitution has much has
Done much to follow his great ideals in seeing that they are reinstated look at what what he did qu throwing off the British yoke a second great mediation feat and having achieved it through completely nonviolent means the third other great mediation exercise was Hindu Muslim Amity this he did his very best
For and perhaps did not succeed only because at the end of the day like Napoleon in 1813 he could not be everywhere at once having said this what was his technique what was the mediation technique that he used his technique was the prayer meeting at which he read
Copiously from the bad Gita from the Quran and from the New Testament in particular the idea of these prayer meetings was to tell those present and those present would then go and tell others that in point of fact there is very little difference in the ethical parts of every great
Religion no religion tells you to be violent no religion tells you to be greedy all religions say that as you sow so shall you reap how you reap when you reap where you reap are matters of detail but the essence is the same and this I think was his greatest contribution to
Mankind and this contribution goes deep back and has deep roots in the history of our great nation our nation has harbored so many Refugee peoples and over thousands of years I belong to one of them it has harbored the Jews it has harbored early Christians it has harbored the Buddhists
Up to a point and it certainly has hared us pares orans were to flee run let’s begin with the Jews first as all of you know the Jews originally were divided into 12 tribes you had the northern tribes which were put together and called Israel which consisted of 10 tribes in fact all
These tribes were really progenitors of 10 sons from two wives and several concubines of Jacob who himself was called Israel and these 10 tribes banded together and made what was called the northern kingdom and the two Southern tribes of Benjamin and Judah ultimately banded together and made the
Country of Judah the split occurred after King David who ruled over the combined lot of 12 tribes and after King Solomon Solomon was the great man who built the first Temple in Jerusalem and it is at this holy of holies that all Jews came to pray this holy of holies was destroyed
About 500 years later by Nebuchadnezzar but then his destruction took place about 300 years after the northern kingdom itself was destroyed the northern kingdom which as I told you consisted of these 10 tribes was destroyed first by the Assyrians in 718 BC and the first great dispersal of the
Jews worldwide took place as far back as in 78 BC they dispersed all over and in fact a number of them came and settled in the valley of Kashmir and as far as Northeast India in fact DNA tests show that there are certain tribes in Northeast India which date back to the
Northern kingdom dispersal and Israel today has recognized these tribes and asked them to come back as Jews coming back to the destruction of the temple the temple destruction takes place at the time of King Cyrus of Persia and Nebuchadnezzar comes and utterly destroys it and enslaves the
Jews and takes them over to Babylon now when they were thus enslaved for about 30 years Cyrus the Great King of Persia comes not as a conqueror and this is what is very important but as a person who liberates now who does he liberate he doesn’t merely Liberate the
Jews he liberates the Babylonians themselves from the Yoke of a king called nabonidus and he says all this in what is called the Cyrus cylinder which fortunately for us is a little clay tablet that was buried at that time and excavated in the year 1889 and the tablet I have in fact
A a translation of the tablet and the tablet which is put in the UN Hall at New York in a pride of place as being the first declaration ever of Human Rights reads thus it’s worth reading and I want all of you to listen carefully he says I am Cyrus King of the
Universe great king powerful King King of Babylon etc etc he says when I went as a harbinger of Peace into Babylon I founded my sovereign residence within the Royal Palace amid celebration and rejoicing an Invader huh celebration and rejoicing Marduk the great Lord not AAS Marduk the Babylonian great Lord
Bestowed on me as my destiny the great magnanimity of one who loves Babylon and I every day sought him out in awe my vast troops marched peaceably in Babylon and the whole of sume and akad had nothing to fear I sought the welfare of the city of Babylon and all its
Sanctuaries as for the population of Babylon who as if without Divine invent intervention had endured a yoke not decreed for them I soothed their weariness and I freed them from their bonds Marduk the great Lord rejoiced at my good deeds and he pronounced a sweet blessing over me and my son
Kisis then he goes on to say I sent back to their places to the city of ashur Suza Etc whose shrines had earlier become dilapidated mark this the gods who lived therein and made permanent sanctuaries for them I collected together all of their people and return them to their
Settlements and the gods of the land of sume and akad which nabonidus is named now the ex- ruler to the fury of the lord of the Gods had brought into shuana that’s a particular place at the command of Marduk and I returned them all unharmed to their cells in the
Sanctuaries that I made to make them happy may all the gods that I returned to their sanctuaries every day before Marduk and Nabu asked for a long life for me and mention my good deeds and say to Marduk my Lord this is Cyrus the king who fears you the population of babelon
Call blessings on my kingship and I have enabled all the lands to live in peace what a fabulous deul and this by a king who lived 2,500 years ago now this great king does not tell you in this document that he did much more than this he freed the Jews also from
Babylon and this we are not told by him we are told by six books in the Old Testament particularly the book of Ezra and mind you the only person who is called anointed of the Lord which is an appellation used for prophets other than prophets is King
Cyrus in the Bible so they say Cyrus anointed of the Lord did this and did that now not only did he free the Jews from Babylon but he did something more affirmative action as he tells you in his great document he said I promise that I will rebuild your temple with our
Funds that decree was made but unfortunately by the time Cyrus died this could not be achieved his son cambes came and went and then daras the first the Great comes and daras is reminded and all this we are told from the Bible the Old Testament daras is reminded that look your predecessor has
Promised that he will rebuild our Temple so the D says yes if my predecessor says so I will do it I am bound to do it but where is the decree so everybody looked around for the decree and ultimately somebody found it and when they found it that the great
Following the decree built the second temple out of the Persian Royal treasury funds the interesting thing about this Temple is that the Wailing Wall which stands today and which is so sacred to the Jews was part of this original Temple it was an outer wall of this
Temple and if you see the Wailing Wall closely you will find that the lower part is distinct from the upper part the lower is the older part which was built by the Persian funds and the upper part is part of herod’s Third Temple which was built 2,000 years ago
So we have an instance in history of the Jews being helped by a different people from us from this country and having their Temple rebuilt unfortunately for them in the the year 70 AD a Roman General’s son he became emperor later vpan and the son followed him as Emperor Titus utterly destroyed
The second temple so to speak after which the Jews have been dispersed in I mean all over in throughout history now that second destruction is what left this one particular wall which they therefore regard as being the only thing that remains of their Temple which is why it is so secret
Today now coming back to our theme the Jews who were dispersed as a result of the destruction of this temple in 70 AD went all over the world but also came here and when they came here they had Sanctuary here and they had sanctuary in such a
Way that they were Disturbed for 2,000 years because of this and recently I went to amdavad and went to the synagogue there and I was told because it’s exactly opposite our aari and I was told there by the gentleman in charge that the only soil that exists in
A little ear in Jerusalem is Indian soil why because this is the only place that has harbored and kept the Jews and has never done anything to disturb them it’s a remarkable thing and in tribute they keep Indian soil there that the soil of this nation this great nation is the
Only nation which has harbored them and not damaged them this is as far as the Jews are concerned then we come to the early Christians we know as a matter of History that one of the 12 direct and immediate Apostles St Thomas who was called doubting Thomas in
The gospels because he was the only one who wanted to see the resurrected Christ and actually see the wounds in the body this apostle was sent out by Christ to Persia and having preached in Persia he went all the way to tuila preached in tu tuila and there is
Historical evidence that he converted a king called gondo feris who was there in tuila and coins were struck apparently with Thomas on the other side and from there he came by the land route all the way through Kerala and finally into Madras and he was mared in Madras his tomb is in
Madras and this great man brought with him early Christians converted some of the local people and the earliest Christians therefore that the world can can Bo really belong to Kerala and Madras and can trace themselves back to this time they are called Syrian Christians because a lot of them came from Syria
Later in 325 after the Council of NAIA but what is important is that just like the Jews this great nation harbored them as well and they were left absolutely undisturbed in worship as well as to to till the soil and live as Citizens along with everybody else apart from these two great
Communities you now come to the Buddhists gutam Buddha originated from here he preached here and ultimately a very great Emperor and this is the first of our great Emperors the second was Akbar converted to Buddhism Ashoka and this is about 2,250 years ago and after being an extremely bloodthirsty Tyrant
It is said in the Buddhist Chronicles that he had at least 99 of his brothers killed before he came to the throne which of course modern historians say is not correct IR but he had six brothers which we killed in any case he then had this huge war against Kalinga which is
Orisa and shocked by the huge Slaughter that took place ultimately converted to Buddhism now this great emperor also has left Rock edicts in the manner of the great tanian Kings in Persia and Rock edict 12 is something which again like the cus cylinder is worth reading out to you
Because it’s a document which is so relevant today and speaks of the Brotherhood of mankind in an extremely beautiful way this rock edict translation I’m reading says the Beloved of the Gods the king padas he was called padas honors all sects and both athetics and lemman with gifts and various forms of
Recognition but the Beloved of the Gods does not consider gifts or honor to be as important as the advancement of the essential doctrine of all sects this progress of the essential Doctrine takes many forms but its basis is the control of one’s speech so as not to extol one’s own sect
Or disparage anothers on unsuitable occasions or at least to do so only mildly on certain occasions on each occasion one should honor another man’s sect for by doing so one increases the influence of One’s Own sect and benefits that of the other man while by doing otherwise one diminishes
The influence of One’s Own sect and harms the other men’s again whosoever honors his own sect or disparages that of another man wholly out of Devotion to his own with a view to showing it in a favorable light harms his own sect even more seriously therefore and this is the
Beautiful word Concord is to be commended so that men may hear one another’s principles and Obey them this is the desire of the Beloved of the gods that all sex should be well informed and should teach that which is good and that everywhere their adherance should be
Told the Beloved of the Gods does not consider gifts or honor to be as important as the progress of the essential doctrine of all sects many are concerned with this matter the result of this is the Inc increased influence of One’s Own SE and glory to Dharma what a beautiful fabulous edict this
Is our Cardinal value of Fraternity in the Constitution couldn’t be better explained than through this edict and this is exactly Gandhi G’s method what is the method the method of mediation that he used his prayer meeting at which readings from every great text are read aloud so that people may
Understand that mankind is one and that the ethical portion of every faith is the same metaphysics May differ and we are broad enough in this country to take it to take any metaphysics into account you may believe in God you may not believe in God you may believe in a million
Gods you may believe in the spirit you may believe in whatever you like that’s your belief no problem but but your belief must then translate itself so as to interact with your fellow men and when you interact with your fellow men it is very important to keep in mind
That every great faith warns you and tells you whatever you do there is an equal and opposite reaction too it is either in this world or in the next but be very careful so you so so shall you reap now having done with the first great
Emperor we now come to my own people we’ve spoken about how this country this great nation has harbored the Jews how it has harbored the Christians the kiss sanjan which is a document of 1599 written by a Pari priest like me tells us that sometime in the 700s late 700s ad
After we faced persecution in Persia our people went into the hills in kohistan in Persia for about 100 years and lived there when we could no longer do so some of us came to Hormuz which is a PT a lot of us went elsewhere and from hormos we set sail
And came to the little island of Dew we lived in Dew for some 19 years and then were emboldened enough to come to the mainland which is Gujarat sanjan and there are two conflicting versions of what happened then one version is the famous version of the bowl of milk and the sugar for
Those of you don’t know apparently our chief priest was told that this land is full and he was told that it is full and cannot have you people because a bowl of milk completely filled to the brim was sent to him he used his presence of mind
And pulled out a little sugar and put it in the milk now unfortunately even though this is a lovely story it remains a story historically apparently what actually happened was that we were able to our priests were able to study Sanskrit and composed 16 Sanskrit sokos which they thought they would then
Tell the priests in the mainland and the priests would then appreciate that we were only a breakaway group from the motherland which has now come back and those 16 sokes are extent you can read them today and they make very interesting reading they keep saying that look we believe in the
Worship of of fire just as you people believe in the worship of fire our women are fair tall beautiful Etc there will be an adornment to this nation etc etc and it seems that the priests there were taken up with this and gave us Sanctuary on five conditions the five conditions were that
You will adopt the Gujarati language which is what we’ve done my mother tongue is Gujarati you will marry only after Sunset because that was the local custom we still marry only after Sunset you will uh till the soil which means that you will look after yourselves no charity here you
Will have to do this by yourselves your women will wear the S and above all you will not bear arms now each of of these conditions we have Faithfully adhered to and we continued as small farmers until we came to the eye of the great emperor Akbar
And this is where we come to our second great emperor who lived in this country Emperor Akbar was larger than life and though illiterate in a sense he was more learned then all the priests put together because he had a fabulous memory and he soaked in whatever was told to him this great
Person not only attempted to get together all the peoples of this country but was a great Builder as well he built fatur sikri which I’m sure a lot of you have seen which is a f of such a dimension that it tells you that his Builder must have been somebody
Colossal and indeed he was he built the Bulan darwaza which is on the side where Salim chis Tom in commemoration of a victory that he had in Gujarat in the year 1572 and what is interesting at least to me is that on this Bulan Dara there is an inscription in
Persian and the inscription is remarkable because the speaker is Jesus and he says and interestingly enough this what is stated in this inscription is not found in the Bible so it is from some other tradition the inscription says Isa that is Jesus peace be upon him
Said do not build houses upon this Earth but build Bridges to the next World for this Earth is but a moment spend it in prayer the rest is unseen beautiful and this the very fact that he put this up showed how much it played upon his
Mind again as you all know he probably had the first Council of world religions the ibadat and every sect apparently Was Heard and attended that Council you even had sabians a little known sect who come from Yemen you had the charvaks materialists from here and you had everybody you had Jews Christians in
Fact you had three Christian missions and Akbar made best friends with each of the leaders of these missions in fact he made best friends which are J monei Who greatly influenced him called hu he made best friends with our chief priest Mayana who went there and he followed a lot of Zoran
Precepts he made best friends with Rudolph aquaviva who was one of the Portuguese Christian fathers who came down so much so that he instructed those fathers to instruct one of his sons Daniel in the Christian religion and bring him up as a Christian he in fact embraced every
Faith and took the best from all of them including aimsa gandhiji’s aimsa which he took from jism and he had weeks where he turned vegetarian and expected the court to turn vegetarian because he turned vegetarian this great man therefore again was an early preceptor of what Gandhi did 500 years after
Him not only did he have this great Council of world religions before him in which every Faith was heard but then ultimately he tried to found a new faith D Eli called it D Eli which is the religion of God and he thought perhaps idealistically that if he were able to ban this
Country into believing in one Faith there would be complete Harmony of course being extremely great he didn’t force this upon anybody also he did not insist that you abjure your own faith in order to join this now unfortunately it had no clergy it had no body so to speak it had no
Rituals it had nothing by which it could last beyond akbar’s lifetime which is why it died but the concept itself was a very great one the concept was the ultimate Brotherhood of everybody in this country and bringing everybody together and this therefore brings us back to Gandhi G’s great method of mediation which
Is the method of the prayer meeting I wish somebody resurrects this and does it again today you have a prayer meeting at which the Hindus can be told about the Quran and the Muslims can be told about the Gita and they can discover that there is not much difference between the
Two the Christian New Testament can also be thrown in to again show you that there is not much difference between the two and this brings me to another one of Gandhi G’s favorite readings at this prayer meeting and which I will read out to you just now from The Sermon on the
Mount he loved the Sermon on the Mount and you’ll see why the Sermon on the Mount which is found in the gospel of St Matthew is Jesus’s most Sublime and beautiful teaching and reads thus Jesus tells the multitude blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom ofen
Heaven blessed are they that mourn for they shall be comforted blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain Mercy blessed are the pure in heart for
They shall see God blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called son Son of God blessed are they that have been persecuted for righteousness sake for their is the Kingdom of Heaven blessed are ye when M shall reproach you and persecute you and say all manner of evil
Against you falsely for my sake rejoice and be exceedingly glad for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you if you are the salt of the earth and the salt has lost its saver wherewith shall it be salted it is then for good for
Nothing to be cast out and trodden under fooot here are the light of the world a city set on a hill cannot be hid neither do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel but understand and it shineth unto all that are in the house even so
Let your light shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets I came not to destroy but to fulfill what beautiful words equally beautiful is the hym abide with me which
I spoke to you about three verses from this hymn will again tell you why it captured the imagination of the great mediator first verse says abide with me fast Falls the even tide the darkness deepens Lord with me abide when other helpers fail and Comforts flee help of the helpless oh abide with
Me now verse verse five th on my head in every youth did smile and though rebellious and perverse meanwhile thou Hast not left me as I have left thee on the cloth O Lord abide with me beautiful this also brings back what the great Cromwell said just before the Battle of
Nisby he put his sword down he put his helmet down looked upwards and said oh Lord do not forsake me even I even though I may forsake thee and now par 7 paragraph 7 one more from this great himym I fear no fo with thee at hand to
Bless ills have no weight and tears no bitterness where is death’s sting where grave thy Victory I Triumph still if thou abide with me the prayer meeting therefore and the importance of telling the majority community in this country and vice versa that the Quran for example States in chapter 2 verse
190 that Allah does not like those who are aggressors people who have to defend themselves may do so but do not be the first to be the aggressor verse 256 there is no compulsion in religion very important to know this equally chapter 24:33 Allah knows the plight of a
Prostitute and will judge her with compassion now these are readings that should be made known to everybody and it is important therefore to stress what is good in each religious text instead of picking up something out of context and then stating that therefore the entire religion is bad another very interesting thing
Is that the Quran is really a book of comparative religion why it goes back to each of the abrahamic faiths it believes in Judaism it speaks of all the great Jewish Old Testament prophets and extols all of them it speaks of Jesus as a great prophet and above all even though it may
Ultimately state that he did not die on the cross it does state that he was born of a virgin it does state that he had the power of miracle and does give him the status of a very great prophet now if all this is seen in the correct light and correct perspective by
Everybody and above all what is seen is that the ethical part of the religion is exactly like the ethical part of every other religion as you so so shall you reap we would be getting or going towards the great goal of fraternity which our constitution preaches the fundamental duties chapter
Also tells us and they are gandhian principles that first and foremost we must believe in the principles of the freedom struggle this is very interesting and very important we must believe that we obtained Freedom through nonviolent means very important equally we must must believe in the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of
Humankind now Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony which is one of the greatest Symphonies ever written has in its last and final movement shiller’s o to Joy s and that chiller’s o to Joy is nothing but how custom has divided humankind and how we must get together as brothers and this great message by this
Great German composer is so looked upon by the Japanese nation that Bean’s night because of Shila o is ceremoniously played every New Year’s Eve to remind everybody about the overall Brotherhood of Man equally important is it through these prayer Mee prayer meetings to tell our Islamic Brethren and the other
Minorities that the bhagwad Gita is a theistic text in fact in chapter 7 verse 23 it specifically says Those Who wish to go to the gods go to the gods those who wish to come to me come to me does this distinction mean it also goes on to teach very lofty
And great ethical principles it tells us specifically that outcasts this is very important are seen in the same light by a person who is realized as any other person it also tells us that women and sudras as much as anybody from any cast can attain heaven now if all these things were to
Be told not only two persons who believe in the Gita but those who know nothing about the Gita I think that we would become much more cohesive as a whole and above all if you mediators have not read these great texts I must exhort you to read every
One of them because as a mediator the tools of compassion Justice Psychiatry are all found in these texts and they will give you such a beautiful idea of why you are here and where you are likely to go that your mediation skills will be hounded and me you all therefore
Ultimately become somewhat like the great mediator uh Mahatma Gandhi through these great texts thank you all very [Applause] much thank you my Lord I don’t think uh I at least can speak today after hearing you I do remember Time Lord when I had was additional to you Lordships being the solicitor general of India and in that short span of time what I learned I don’t think I learned during my days even the
Bar I don’t know whether lot would remember it or not but I do remember it and I keep repeating it he led me in a matter and I went up to him I came from abroad and I went up to room was right next to mine to say I
Had argued this in Delhi high court and probably we lost the government lost it so these are the seven points he said two are good rest you can argue in the corridors of Supreme Court in the next 5 days those two became seven every time I would get a hug from
His lordship and say no and ultimately it led to this I will argue and Lord will come only at the end this is my Lord just just don’t believe it I don’t remember it I’m not putting a lot on o don’t worry I just told both my Lord this is
SEC and this is when we were sitting there even if 10% of yours what you both have what you both give us could be emited by the bench and the bar future of this country is very very good and I’m [Applause] sure that what you have taught us today what you
Have desired from us to do so today we at madim will take it forward and assure you my Lord that we shall ensure that each of our mediators in capacity building this position learns reads them adopts them so that they also become mediators what you today put a picture
Before us thank you so much my Lord for all that I don’t know whether Justice secri would like to respond or not but let me request him to at least say a few words don’t believe him either he’s a very good friend as far as response is
Concerned I think you have observed all of you as we when we were in awe all mesmerized listening to him could anybody see the kind of memory he has no not a single Paper except what he read those three quotes that’s all otherwise I I don’t know I was asking
Him once how you remember all these names how you remember all these years in the history when you say and many times all those quotes also and uh I said that some of these names maybe when you see from Continental Europe Italy and other countries even Japanese Etc
They sound so difficult and his reply was more difficult the name easier for me to remember the more interesting they more interesting they see there’s one very interesting actually it was really uh very inspiring talk for all of us because I myself I consider myself to be a mediator in that
Sense because I belong to mediation family family about Gandhi g everybody and whenever we talk about Gandhi his quote on mediation that after he settled the matter and how he found himself to be uh I mean uh that he got that sense that it is such a good thing
And all that and where he said that I lost nothing not not at least my soul Etc that quote but uh there’s a book by stepen K the third alternative and uh where he speaks of synergy when the two person sit together along with mediator and uh they
Try to resolve their disputes by dialogue and uh as I said day before also that look it’s always we think I versus you or me versus you so two sides and why we don’t think of the third alternative and uh in in his entire book he talks of this third alternative this
Synergy and very interestingly he quotes another story of Mahatma Gandhi and in support of mediation which is this story you know everybody must be knowing about it if you remember when he was in South Africa and he was traveling in first class he had taken ticket first class he has he
Had bought that ticket first class ticket but as no blacks or Indians were allowed to travel first class he was thrown out of the train and there how K analyzes his mind he kept sitting on that platform when he was thrown out whole night as to what should I do he was a
Lawyer and he had gone there for practice he thought that first alternative is that I just forget this because this is happening to all of us to blacks we can’t help it second alternative is that I go to the court file a case against the authorities that look once I had this
Ticket or first class ticket and when I was given this ticket there was no reason for any of these authorities to uh ask me to step down from this first class and he thought over it again and again but then ultimately he decided the third alternative says that no if I forget
Then naturally this Injustice which is prevailing it would be perpetuated if I file a case I may win the case but then it would be giving Justice to me only what happens to such incidents which take place day in and day out and therefore he thought of the
Third alternative that no maybe taking the path of ainsa nonviolence but I should have a dialogue in that sense with the authorities and tell them that what you are doing is wrong and that would be good for the entire humanity and that is the path he chose
After deliberating for such many so many hours that night and that becomes in a way the ethos of mediation and that is is what we should remember when we should learn from Gandhi g and I think we as far as Indian traditions are concerned yes the I mean
In Old form in our pchat and others we say that this kind of mediation was there of course we have now taken mediation in the present form from the Western countries on America and all but there’s always a talk that we should try to indianized it and have indigenous
Values and in this entire thing what Gandhi said and what we have heard today I think we have to keep that in mind thank you very much please anyone of you would like to ask any questions please you’re welcome yes mrroy question all religions not that I belong to sism sism also talks
Of it just came to my mind uh to bring to your lordship’s uh attention uh this aspect also uh Gandhi g uh I have I happen to share the birthday with him so 2nd October fantastic that is uh and uh in the context of what’s happening in
The country um PM Modi comes from Gujarat Gandhi g comes from Gujarat and uh and whatever he did comes from Gujarat yeah and uh only thing is uh uh not again just stressing that Sikhism uh and other religions also I respect all religions and here it may be
Out of place to mention a lot of you the words came Brotherhood Brotherhood and U there’s something not something Freemasonry I don’t know it is King Solomon your lordship’s mentioned is also uh associated with so lot of these um after studying and going through all these
Things uh there is a golden thread in all the religions um and these uh you know uh associations um but my one thing was to bring to your lordship’s attention the sism aspect also please take it please take it that when I spoke of the Quran the
Gita and the Bible I did not mean to exclude my own texts I didn’t say a word about Zoran ISM right it’s in the same spirit that I did not say anything about Sikhism all right so when I say those three texts I am talking about the vast multitude of persons who exist
Here and I’m so glad that you brought up Sikhism because it is equally important if I may add for all of you to read the gurug granai equally important and the religious text of every great religious community and when I singled out these three three texts I did not mean in any
Manner to leave out the great texts of others least of all of my own faith and one other interesting feature considering that you are also born on second October let us hope that astrologically speaking just as 30th January was a disaster you are the opposite [Applause] anybody else
Please I only wanted to tell Mr Roy many of the lians feel they all belong they all Gandhi because they that’s a different question thank you very much my Lord JP please continue after hearing just Naran I I I wish I was the sugar in the bowl of
Milk or a sponge who can take in whatever is Said Today by him I know it’s so difficult to remember everything that was said but let’s nurture it over a cup of tea thank you so much and let’s be back exactly in 15 minutes thank [Applause] you
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