This is CJ and you’re watching murder metal [Applause] Mayem this is Pete alteri of murder Metal Mayhem and I’ve got the privilege of doing this interview with CJ of CJ’s crime Concepts here on YouTube I’ve been a subscriber to his channel for a couple months now and I do enjoy his approach to talking about this Idaho
For case so we’ll be talking quite a bit about that in this interview and one of these days I’ll end up on one of his live broadcast I’m sure maybe have him on one of my own because I will eventually do some of those but thanks
For taking the time out I know you’re a busy guy CJ so how’s it going with you today oh I’m doing good good how are you buddy I’m doing good man weather’s uh weather’s decent here in the Midwest so I’m not complaining and uh starting the week out
With a with an interview with a fellow Creator so I’m really uh really looking forward to this yeah me too thank you for your time I appreciate it of course of course now I’ve been doing these interviews with the creators and I always like to know what got them into
True Crime so some interesting stories there to be had but what uh what got you into this whole thing uh actually the Idaho 4 case uh I had started my show maybe a week before the crime took place and oh wow yeah I uh I had envisioned talking world events
And sports oh [ __ ] yeah what I that’s what I envisioned talking about and uh as I started to uh you know kind of see the stuff that was going on out there uh and we ended up mixing it together there in the very beginning and then after that uh I had
Like a self-reflection moment and it was like if I have this platform how could I uh you know in my soul feel good if I’m talking about a touchdown instead of a missing child or uh some the crime that took place yeah so that’s how it
That’s how we became a true crime Chan wow that’s interesting but you personally were not into True Crime until Idaho 4 I watched some YouTubers a couple YouTubers uh with uh Chris Watts and Gabby Patito there uh and then that’s kind of what made me go I wonder if I could you know
Have my own show on YouTube but I’m I’m a sports junkie so you know Sports was always a first love and so that’s what I had envisioned you know ultimately for the show uh but also talking like uh space shuttle missions and you know Landings and you know whatever right
Right that’s interesting because yeah mine’s like the opposite I’ve been I’ve been into True Crime since I was 10 years old so uh growing up in in an area where the Son of Sam was lurking and uh you know heard the stories they get in before dark and the son of Sam’s out
There oh yeah definitely was an impressionable thing on me and that’s that’s what got me interested in it so I would love asking that love asking that question and so when did you change the name evil CJ to CJ’s uh crime Concepts uh it was right after the New
Year um there for you know the whole time I’ve had my show a little over a year now and whether I would uh go into somebody else’s chat you know in another show or uh people would be on panel or I’d meet somebody for the first time
Every single you know mostly it would be people like why do you call yourself evil you’re not evil at all and so so to me I was like you know the show one of the reasons I created the show was because of the isolation from covid
Right and and I was by myself like all the time and and I one of the reasons uh I made the show was because I was in a depression in a way because of the isolation from covid and I needed interaction with people too you know
There’s a there’s a few reasons why I made the channel but another one was because I needed interaction action I was in a depression uh and so I made the channel for that reason too and the community is what helped get me out of that and so I
Always want to make sure that anybody that does come to the show for the first time also has that feeling as well like wow this community is helping and so that’s really what made me ultimately change the name after thinking about it for a while because it’s like I don’t want that one
Person that’s coming to knock on the door that’s never been in the house and been with the family just because the word Evil’s on the door to just turn around and go yeah and that’s and that’s funny that you say that because when I first saw your your channel I’m like
Finally there’s somebody else using some sort of evil symbology here uh because I’ve been catching it you know because because of the name of the of the channel murder Metal Mayhem but also my 666 seconds videos which is really more of a goof a spoof on the whole satanic
Panic thing so I don’t take it seriously but boy I get some people I just had a lady the other night comment and say I really like watching you but I can’t deal with that I’m sorry I just can’t deal with it and I’m like it’s just a
Goof like don’t I don’t mean it like religiously at all you know I’m not a religious person I’m not against it it’s just not my thing but yeah so when I saw evil CJ I was like oh wow there’s a there’s a guy using the evil thing and
Then I was like wait a minute he doesn’t seem evil I don’t see any you know bloody uh things on the wall behind him or Serial Killer masks like I’ve got so it’s just a red hoodie yeah a red hat yeah that’s what I would tell people I’d
Be like yeah the the word play right it’s the word play and that’s what I tell people like it’s not even spelled that way like it’s got and that’s what made me wonder like what is it what’s up with that you know right yeah yeah so that’s hilarious
Dude that’s why I ultimately changed this and that makes sense it makes sense you know I know that murder Metal Mayhem has some limitations because of just the name you know but there’s a lot of people that like the name because it’s different or whatever so it’s it’s all
You know a wash I guess I love it thank you I yeah now um any advice if you were to give somebody that’s coming to you and saying CJ like I’m thinking about doing this YouTube channel and I know you’re pretty successful at it so what
Should I do what would you tell them I mean would you tell them to not do that and go do something else or would you sit them down and and school them on what’s up no I’m always about community so I’m always willing to help anybody
That would I I came from when I made my channel and even still to this day uh it’s probably one of the reasons why maybe I’m not as flashy as some of the others because when I started my channel out I literally had no help nobody would
Help nobody would take their time to show me anything or walk me around I had to learn everything on my own right and so I’m one of the those Souls out there that always I want somebody else to always have a better experience than me and so therefore if somebody needs help
With uh trying to you know there’s plenty of times that I have people on panel that are thinking about starting their Channel you know you can come get comfortable on my show if you’d like you know I I’m I like to be uh uh a doorway
For other people to be able to make it a little easier for him you know because it is tough yeah and I and speaking from uh experience you reached out to me and asked me to you’ve invited me many times to come on I just haven’t really done
Lives I did one actually was impr promp to on Saturday for strange suspicion I just happened to be on I saw they were on uh you know alive and I was like you know whatever you know and it was a lot of fun so I am going to do more of that
Stuff but you very inviting and very cordial uh you were the first of the creators that I reached out to that that actually replied and so that was really cool and so I’m glad that we’re finally getting a chance to to do this but I think that’s important I know I’ve had
Uh uh AR Hayes is is talking about starting a podcast and so and I’ve been doing a podcast for six years uh and so uh I was you know all about trying to help him I I think that’s a good thing I come from the band
World and that was a big thing with bands is the older guys the more experienced guys are kind of took it upon themselves to help the young guys out you know teach them what they need to be doing not doing that sort of thing and I I think that’s a good thing and
That’s why I’ve been doing these interviews is to try to build some sort of network with creators that are also of the same mindset and not out there trying to you know slam people cuz there’s some of that nonsense I mean it’s like fraking a soap opera with some
Of these channels arguing with each other in their videos I’m just like seriously what is up with that and I have had one just recently you know rip on me about my video I did on the 400 Witnesses and all this and and I was just laughing I’m just like man that’s
Just so stupid I don’t get it you know I don’t either because if I I always say it like if people would take that energy and use it for positive and progress and peace can you imagine we wouldn’t even be talking True Crime anymore that’s the truth man that’s the
Trth we wouldn’t even be talking True Crime anymore yeah because people get so upset about you know things and like again like why would you make a video about somebody you don’t like like to me that’s that’s just giving them you know Free Press you know like I don’t know
Why you would do that you know yeah the yin and the Yang yeah now we all know that the Idaho 4 is very hot in the True Crime Community but have you seen a change in the way people are engaging with it now as compared to when you
First started at the very beginning of this um I don’t know I guess when you’re a sub or a member you don’t really see a a lot of the stuff or maybe you’re not as aware uh but when you’re a Creator you because you get more information uh your eyes and your ears
Are out there more and it’s kind of sad you you see more of the ugly you know just some of the stuff that you were just talking about a second ago right uh you see more of the ugly and it’s just unfortunate um because again if people would use that
For positive peaceful and Progressive you know energy and and be a collective community and do do it together instead of against each other it would just be a humongous force and I think that’s one of the reasons why um you know you can tell that mainstream media doesn’t really like us
Because we are taking their oh yeah their viewers away yeah and I you know and I think that’s you know it’s some of that might be part of it um you know because I’m sure they have a boardroom where they got a yeah a group of people
Where they’re like hey go out there and [ __ ] some [ __ ] up right right they’re like man you seeing that evil CJ over there what’s up with that dude you know what about that 666 guy like he’s just out of control over there what’s up with that they they want you to watch the
Charman commercials on their Channel not yours that’s true I mean it’s a business I mean all all of this stuff unfortunately CJ revolves around money I mean even in Idaho 4 with you ofi Ian we’re going to get into this but you know unfortunately money makes the world
Go around and people do some dumb [ __ ] when it comes to money and um you know but I I like seeing the different creators do things in different ways some I like of course more than others but that’s the way it works but there’s always new channels popping up and and
Do you think that that sort of thing helps the community or does it kind of Muddy the waters and make it impossible for people to kind of figure out who they want to watch well I think both I think it’s always a good thing to have more of a
Community because you’re more of a force right um but you know like the stuff that you know when it comes to the energy if we’re if that’s going to muddy any water that we have because we are an ocean of True Justice and each Channel makes its own waves in that ocean of
True Justice the muddy part comes in with the energy you know uh I love seeing new channels popping up I think it’s beautiful uh it it’s just more of a force but you know the the energy you know that’s the main thing the energy yeah that’s cool I never realized you
Were were this deep philosophical you’re like confucious or something over there CJ I’m very very impressed with you over there I just was not expecting that that’s that’s what makes these interviews fun but uh but no that’s that’s good stuff I mean we just need to be treating people right the comments I
Mean people get crazy um I don’t have too much of that I mean I’ve had a few and if it’s gets really dumb I just delete it but uh but you know I don’t mind somebody opposing me I mean my gosh you can’t expect thousands of people to
Watch a video and have the exact same reaction to it you know some people are just not going to like the way I do what I do or like do what you do and then you know just I always tell them just if it’s that upsetting to you just back it
Up and go watch something else you know I don’t know oh yeah what El to say man then I tell people too like people didn’t always agree that this that the square was the best way to move something until somebody said let me chip off the corners and make a wheel
Right there you go that’s we have to have those people that say no you shouldn’t do that but then we also need those people that say maybe yeah let me knock those Corners off and let’s see if this works better and you know you see it in the
Comments with Brian koberger you know he’s he’s guilty he’s innocent I try to stay on the fence with this one because obviously we don’t know but what what are your thoughts on that whole Brian cerg concept uh I wish I was at the water cooler but I’m not so unfortunately I don’t know
Either uh I would love to be at the water cooler um but it’s I could see things that he is and I could see things that he’s not I I’m focused more on the investigation the protocols uh or lack thereof right that’s what I you know really because that I don’t
Know and none of us do know except you know the person that committed the crime how long it took what rooms they went in first you know any of that um but when you’re you have to also look at you know the investigation the protocols the the training and all those
Things and because it’s about truth and Justice yes we there’s people that do commit crimes out there we don’t know them sometimes they’re our neighbors you know we don’t know but what it comes down to is making sure that the right person is convicted for the crime and
That’s the main the main part of it yeah and the unfortunate thing too is anybody associated with a suspect in a crime like this just gets dragged through the mud because uh Katherine ramsland his professor at deles I interviewed her twice 20 2019 and 2020 uh the 2019
Interviews on my channel but um she was fascinating and she had written the book about BTK and that’s why I interviewed her and then she wrote another one on spree Killers I interviewed her for that but she’s super nice but uh she would have been his Professor around the time
That I was talking to her which is really kind of weird you know almost but uh but she was just pummeled in the you know all the media attention because she was one of his professors and she’s on like tons of the serial killer documentaries you watch uh from you know
20 30 years ago up till now I mean she’s very prolific she’s written like 75 books I mean she’s unbelievable but uh but I felt bad for her you know and I’m sure she probably felt some guilt if if she thinks that he did it I don’t know I heard she was a
Witness for the defense is what I’ve probably because yeah she did she she did a couple shows after the crime took place uh and then after he was arrested but she won’t talk about him though yeah yeah she wasn’t really saying anything and yeah I really I felt the same way as
You I since then because we did a show on her once we found out yeah right right a probably about a year ago maybe longer than that uh we did a show not with her shout out to you for having her on that’s awesome yeah she was yeah like
I said she was real nice it was easy to get too we have a couple mutual friends um there’s a a director that she knows that I know that I wrote a screenplay for and so she she wound up that’s how I I saw well we’ve got these common
Friends I just contacted her on Facebook messenger and it was like 5 minutes later we were setting it up so it was that easy she’s she’s as nice as nice can be but uh but I did feel bad for her and I wonder if that’s how he found out
About that program out there was through her because she would obviously be in the know of all the different PHD programs and maybe could have put the word in for them I don’t know that but I’m just saying I could see where she would have had some guilt there with
Yeah because I think she right away she was have there was like some insinuations about him being like BTK and she gave him special act I mean there was so much crap out there then that she gave him special access to talk to him and yeah I know BTK her and BTK
Still Converse and every year this is so creepy he calls her on her birthday how messed up is that BTK calls her every year on his birthday but they talk all the time still she the book’s been written years ago she continues to keep touch with them but I don’t know
Like you said whether any of that’s true I did look at my copy to see if she referenced him in like the afterward because she thanks people and there’s some research people that she thanks and I was like oh I wanted to see you know Brian cerg you that would have been nuts
You know and it he wasn’t in there anywhere and then that one thing that they found that referenced a page number uh in a book I actually looked in the book to that page just again just wondering if I was going to see you know something like that would obviously be a
Nod to the Idaho 4 and and nothing it was nothing so rabbit holes rabbit holes but uh got it was interesting though now uh what are your thoughts on the Frat Boys I mean so much suspicion around the sigma Kai thing and I was watching a video on your channel where you were
Talking about the rituals and like what in the world is going on with that yeah we uh well we started getting into like the frats and the church and all that stuff about a year ago and that video that you’re talking about uh it’s kind of crazy because it was
Maybe a week and a half ago you know uh and I had done other stuff on Sigma Kai you know University of Idaho uh shows where it kind of goes through the hierarchy the labels the titles a little reenactment of how they became a fraternity and all these things
You know we were kind of going into a deep dive and then very Masonic too by the way very I used to be a free mason I did a video on it um I never was involved in any nefarious stuff but but I do sometimes laugh at the the times
And you’re watching something and then just throw out the Illuminati Freemasonry and all them like man these were guys that ate ham and beans every Tuesday and just shot the [ __ ] you know like this is not anything like what you’re talking about but you know it comes from the Knights Templar and
There’s some old school like Freemasonry there’s some there’s some weird stuff going on but this was Sigma aai I think was in uh created by a Mason who started the whole thing in the late 1800s I believe so it’s modeled after it group of five guys that broke off and started
Their own because they didn’t agree with the new leadership uh it’s it’s pretty deep and uh and we did that maybe four or five months ago and then I’m sitting a week and a half ago and I’m doing some prep for a show and I come across the sigma
Kai awards ceremony video from 2021 and uh and I’m working on my notes and I just kind of look up at it and I see a sigma Kai First Responders pin and that’s what made me sit there and I go wait a minute and I started thinking about the delay and I started
Thinking about everybody being quiet I started thinking about Sigma Kai being quiet I started thinking about all the you know all the connections that people have brought up regarding 1122 and sigma Kai and then I’m sitting there and I’m going wait a minute what if Sigma Kai actually showed up that
Morning holy [ __ ] so then we started digging into it and come to find out that there’s different fraternities Sigma Kai is part of a volunteer program for EMTs and they work from 4:30 in the afternoon until 7:30 in the morning on weekdays and they run the whole weekend shift so wow guess who
Showed up at 11:22 on that Sunday morning volunteers and some of them could have been Sigma Kai as well really so the the president of Sigma Kai was a volunteer firefighter EMS wow uh first responder you start to get into uh some of the individuals and see
All the different Awards uh that they’ve been given since and also when it comes to when the crime took place uh you start to get into a lot of the other people that are associated with the fraternities that have also ranked up in Awards and moved on uh to
Greener pastures because of the crime you start to see uh that uh a it’s not just the MPD like we’ve all thought the last year and a half that has been the no report rankup it it goes way deeper than that it goes to the the the fraternities uh the volunteers the
Departments uh everybody and so I think Sigma Kai and the fraternity I think there’s a reason that they’ve been quiet this whole time and haven’t said anything and even when you look at the interview from Brian nenton when the crimes first took place and he’s talking to pres right the volunteer
EMS first responder right uh yeah it’s kind of you see him always looking wanting to look distracted and I think there’s a reason for it so I I do think that there’s more that meets the eye when it comes to those organizations over there yeah I agree I agree I mean
You know everybody is getting all crazy about the white Elantra but I mean what about the people within walking distance you know and these guys could have been there in five minutes and you know we see that bandfield video the four people running you know from that direction toward
Sigma Kai I mean at 3:12 a.m. that’s certainly very suspicious and to me I’m thinking the timetables moved up further than their ridiculous PCA estimate I think it’s more like right around that 3:00 a.m. time yeah maybe right after that that last call to Jack I think
That’s when that’s when the [ __ ] was going down and you know we’ve I’ve done videos on the for chant post who just did a deep dive on our new True Crime deep Cuts episode about this and uh you know that forchan post I mean there’s a
Lot of stuff that wound up being true out of that thing that makes me wonder how much of it is really true you know the the nickname of Ethan and and the David barcoa and you know this was long before anybody knew any of that stuff you know
And then said that it took 19 minutes from when they left till when they got back so if you look at that Banfield footage they’re the cops are there on body cam for 23 minutes so what would be the odds of them being there at the same
Time this was going on 200 feet away and these people run by I mean it’s just there’s way too many this case is so full of coincidences it’s just absolutely absurd but I think there’s something to it and that was my next question is what do you think in the law enforcement involvement
Here I mean do you I mean I I come from a family with law enforcement you know I’ve Got Friends in that business it bugs me to even say it but I mean my gosh they’ve done themselves no favors in this case I think I’m going to call it uninvolvement not involvement
Because number one when when when you come out And have statements like you you think it was a selfon alive un alive situation right when it when it comes to the injuries I have to sit there and wonder who in their right mind think that somebody’s going to do that to themselves and with that kind of weapon
They would just be crazy there’s other ways that they would probably do it but I don’t think that they knew anything and I don’t think that they the more that I get into the university uh the more I feel like they were the ones controlling the whole investigation and they were the ones
Controlling the information and that’s why they controlled the investigation um and I why was Scott green in two meetings a day with law enforcement who who who does that it wasn’t even on the damn campus for that you know for that matter you know exactly uh and plus you know even when
It comes to the statements in the PCA from from Dylan I even look at those like those were statements that came from a counselor or medical professional that then was relayed to the police and I think that’s how they got the information because we read president Green’s book on the show and
He sent teams out they they set up a uh they set up a team at the administration building right away when they got when they got notification this was before MPD even showed up they they they set up a team and they sent people out to go talk to the fraternities and the
Sororities right away wow and when you have a they when Le still continues to say in their press conferences that they didn’t know how many people exactly were out front that tells me they didn’t know anything in the university is the one that said look we know you don’t want to
Talk to the cops you I’m a counselor just like some of these other people that have ranked up and moved on because of this crime I’m a counselor you can talk to me but you have to understand I’m going to give this information to police and that’s
Where you get the Frozen shock phase word interesting in the clad in black is not because it came from Le from DM it came from DM to a counselor then to Le interesting because I’ve always just assume that it was like a scripted like here’s what you’re going
To say like say this suggested question so that’s interesting that you’re thinking it came through that that Avenue that’s that’s that’s a different perspective than I had thought of but I think that makes it makes sense I mean that that could have been the case especially in light of the book and what
You said about the counselors that’s that’s crazy that that university has that whole town in a death grip I mean there’s no way yeah there’s no way for a crime like this to have happened in any size down and not have all sorts of people talking to the
Media talking about it there’s a reason that these people are scared to death and there is a reason they’re not saying anything because they’re scared to death it reminds me of a cross between like Children of the Corn and the Twilight Zone and maybe throw in The Sopranos a
Little bit in there I mean it’s just like the weirdest weirdest place like I I I don’t know I mean I just it is bizarre it they do they have such a a control over that town I didn’t even even really look into it until I made the trip out there and
When I made the trip out there I was there for a week and I literally just drove and got footage and talked to people and as I’m driving through that you know not the the PCA route you know I’m going into the outskirts Moscow different parts of the community is just
Driving around looking around right and that’s when I started to wonder how much of a grip does this University have over this town because I could see that the homes weren’t flourishing like the university is normally if in a small community if a business like the university is flourishing well then
Taxes are going to be cheaper in the city loans are going to be easier to get money’s going to flow especially if you reside in that town and I was looking at a lot of these homes and I’m like how is how are these homes not flourishing like
The university if they’re making all this money and so that’s when I started getting into the university and started looking into the university and looking into the power and it is ridiculous the amount of money that they get in donations for whatever ever in the community is there just like the
University of Phoenix online deal that they’re trying to get through that’s a scam too that’s going to screw the community and they don’t care and they have so much power that’s why you know even Steve G said in the very beginning on one of his interviews with Fox you
Know I don’t want Moscow to fall apart but we need people to talk and that’s what they know they know if this un Unity falls apart the whole town is going to fall apart because that’s their money maker and so all these the this healing Garden that they have been
Talking about for the victims right they they’ve raised it over $800,000 so far and all they have to this day is stakes in the ground with yarn and little teeny Flags marking out gas pipes wow that’s it that’s crazy and they even said that it’s for future
Tragedies in a late in the latest report when they talked about it as well how can you minimize yeah that’s awful victims I also saw that 70% of their donations come from the fraternity sororities and their Alum so that’s Sig maai made $463,000 in donations for scholarships
Wow that’s just that’s just so I mean it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s terrible but yeah like we were saying earlier money rules the roost in this story too I mean it’s it’s terrible to say it I mean it really is now what about the private
Driver I know I did a couple videos on him people were going nuts I said it was Eric Gower and then we had one channel was saying that it was another another Creator and as an imposter and calling the news as Eric goard I’m like what you
Know but they and they went on and on and on about it in multiple videos and I’m like how are you not getting sued cuz they just came right out and said that he did it but what do you think about that whole Fiasco with that dude here’s the thing and this is
I you know you we’ve read the 12200 feet from cerer right right right that that was a report where somebody didn’t you know they they dropped the girl off uh they didn’t stop to let the you know wait to see if the girls walked up
To the door not because it was a they didn’t know if they were going to get robbed or whatever you know right they were scared but then you look up Eric and he’s never had a residence other than the state of Idaho so then it’s like okay well that don’t make sense
Right well then you look up his wife his wife’s from he his wife works at Moscow uh police department um but then I I don’t know I think it is spelled a weird way in the PCA for PA it is spelled a weird way right but and there is no other grower
There but at the same time it’s kind of odd that his wife does work for the PD and he does volunteer to do share right you know for uh it is weird you D drunk college girls in your car and you’re a married dude get ready to have a baby have a baby
Like what’s up with that a baby come on dude you know so that is weird it is weird because it was if I was in that position my ass would be at home yeah right just say it yeah exactly no that’s just that’s very questionable yeah and
Then the dude’s Pinterest did you see that with the batchete and all these crazy like zombie apocalypse weapons it’s like could you imagine if Brian koberger had a Pinterest page like that they would be going absolutely insane but for some reason I mean the nothing said about that I mean the guy was
Cleared very quickly I’m not saying the guy had anything to do with it but again in a case with all these weird wrinkles and and coincidences I mean this guy just is yet another conversation you can have about this for hours I mean it’s it is very interesting and I do know that
They they spelled his name wrong in the pa uh PCA but then he was redacted in the Idaho PCA um and so it it’s this and it’s this is what’s crazy about that too is like I was in that parking lot where coburger lived I was there at the apartment
Complex you’re not driving by and oh wow there’s a white car that you can’t see it it’s it’s elevated it’s way back the guy there was a we read this article this was from January of 2023 where uh I can’t remember what the newspaper was but we read this article I
Made a video about it we read this article of a neighbor that actually contacted Le months before koberger was even arrested telling them about coburger and him going for a walk for over an hour and him telling them him telling cerer telling him that he submitted DNA for ancestry
Results but then wanted anonymity from the newspaper months before and then left the country so I’m wondering if that was the neighbor that was 12200 ft away but they’re maybe mixing the both of them together to then make it be this neighbor that lived 1,00 feet away that
Said oh I just saw this white car and you know it just inter and they mix it in with the private driver Eric’s you know so it’s like yeah what is true it’s like a concoction of all of it mixed together and that’s where you get the
Private driver yeah and it’s almost like some of these stories you wonder if they’re there just to distract us you know the the shiny object to get everybody thinking of something else and it’s crazy I mean I’m a fiction writer so I look at stories you know like this
As a story and these people are like characters and I’m thinking I couldn’t even write something so bizarre as this like this is like something out of you know like the strangest like blue velvet or some real weird you know movie that doesn’t make any sense you know it’s
Just it’s really really weird it’s like it’s like watching watching eraser head or something like that it’s just really really crazy um now what do you think about the three Jacks you got Jack dor Jack sha Walter and now I’ve been doing some digging on Old Jack katavich and
His sister Liz these three offer all sorts of weird R going into these rabbit holes again but just what do you think about them you think they you know involved in any way or what I mean it’s so it’s so hard to tell man you could really you know like you
Said a second ago you could put whatever character and really and I think it’s because of this gag order that they placed right away and and with you know when you do look at the PCA it leaves so many questions so then you have to question so many
Other things and then when you question all those other things then there’s all these possibilities too which is those rabbit holes you know right who knows man uh you look at each one you know I mean just like I was talking about the president of Sigma Kai You Look to Him
And it’s like yeah man I know you can’t stop it’s like eating Pringles you know what I mean like I mean Jack deor obviously is the exboyfriend certainly always that’s always number one suspect in any crime like this so you know there’s a tension even how even how
Upset he would get on her social media when they were broke up and other guys were hitting on her you know right even with that kind of jealousy you’re just like you got to go yeah right you gotta go then you got show Walter who’s just I mean like leaving dead coyotes on
People’s doorsteps and I mean like what and then he lived right near here there walking distance I mean leaves for 5 hours to drive after he’s done somehow sleeping and not hearing your phone and driving around to your family’s home or cabin or whatever the hell it was is
Better than Brian’s Alibi of I was driving around I don’t know why that is any worse than the others but and then katavich I mean he was you know supposed to be Ethan’s you know one of his best friends and he he tweets out on Monday the day after the crimes the best
Weekend ever I mean seriously dude and then his sister gets that venmo payment from Molly G and it says 3:30 a.m. on it like that was the day before what the hell was that supposed to mean were they somebody was saying like was it and you’re a sports guy was it like picking
Squares in a in a Super Bowl like is that what they were doing I mean as warped as that is you know that’s why when I put out my video about these people could have been watching this thing pay-per-view I mean I’m not putting anything past these sick people
You talked about how Sig Mai was I mean does that seem out of the realm of possibility for people that do some of the stuff they do I heard about water boarding I mean all sorts of crazy stuff you know so I don’t know man anything’s possible in the in the small bubbles
That exist uh where the next biggest town is hours away uh Anything Can Happen really I mean and it’s even you know be even besides Jack and the Jacks and the other players it could have literally been when I when I showed up at the uh 1122 house last November and I
Parked in that back parking lot in the back uh Queen uh yeah right in the you know that parking lot behind 11:22 when I parked back there mhm uh I instantly was like holy [ __ ] you can literally see everything and they can’t see you and I
That’s when I started going I wonder if there was a dude that lived in Queen Road there at Queen Road that came and parked there when I saw that video you did and I started looking at that too I’m like man that’s the perfect vantage point you know from I’m former Army and
I mean always train you high ground I mean like that’s yeah that’s a very you know very uh suspicious possibility there for sure Soh now um what about the uh I going to ask you here um the video you did I just watched it this morning on the Christ
Church there in Moscow now I have not done much digging and I know you were it was some craziness but what’s a what’s a simplified version CJ and I’ll link to this episode I’m referring to in the description below so you guys can watch the whole thing but wh what what is the
Deal with this guy over there living in another time man living in another time I man well it’s his name is Doug Wilson right right yeah the preacher of this Christ Church but it’s like a compound like very like dividian like Jim Jim Jones like weird
Stuff right yeah I actually uh I had a conversations with CJ episode with a gentleman that uh lived in Moscow from age six to 18 and was part of that church and the he described the bubble to me so if you like I was saying a second ago
Moscow and pulman are like twin brothers and then the next town that’s not a stoplight oneway Street you know right uh is a couple hours so they’re secluded so they take care of each other and so when you’re already thinking of a 203,000 populated town it’s already a
Bubble already right and he described this inner bubble that that church has as such a restrictive bubble when it comes to even influence coming from the outside so it’s its own they’re literally jut off from Moscow for the most part unless it’s business uh they’re their own it reminds
Me of like a yeah like a cult or a Scientology very type thing where it’s all controlled they know your secrets you don’t step out of line there was even family members that will turn on you and uh wow uh and not even you know associate with you if you do things
Outside of the church That’s How Strong they are very Scientology so these people all live then on this compound CJ or is this like a not traditional Church type setting where they come and they go not necessarily it’s not necessarily compound they live in the outskirts of Moscow so they’re away from Moscow
Gotcha but they all yeah they live in the outskirts now some do live in the city but most live in the outskirts country road I see not really any houses around them so really their seclusion is their home right then they go to church they have their own schools the college
Their own uh Media Center they’re starting to do more upgrades now to their uh facilities to offer more uh and what it is is it’s meant to keep that bubble you know that oh you want to have your own you know YouTube show well you
Can do it here in our bubble you don’t have to out there but there’s mosco PD right rosendall wasn’t he like a a preacher in the church some involvement with that church or no Nate’s dad is chaplain uh and I think he passed not quite sure I think he might have
Passed um but his father is a was or is a chaplain um and so there is a connection there but uh they they they have a they’ve had a battle with the PD for quite a while now um they even staged a uh uh a protest
Uh against the masks for covid and they actually sued the city and won uh over that protest for wrongful arrest and you know it’s one of those power was that the sticker gate was that were these people the ones involved in that sticker gate drama with the PD where the where
The kid and the preacher were putting stickers up that was calling Moscow like a communist making a tie to Moscow Russia and this the two cops s on the Moscow PD got uh got reprimanded for some underhanded business and those were the first two cops that showed up at 1122
King but I didn’t know if that church that was doing this sounds very familiar that they were doing a protest and they arrested this kid for not wearing a mask and and putting up a fit and then him and his dad who I thought was the preacher were putting these stickers up
All over the place and then uh the mosco PD stepped in it with uh you know doing some things they shouldn’t have been doing with the arrest and and how it was handled so okay yeah I didn’t know it was called sticker gate yeah that’s what
People refer to it as because of the stickers they were putting up oh that’s interesting yeah that is what it was yeah okay interesting yeah they sued the state or the the PD right and so and there’s a lot of interconnections and there’s a lot of power you know
Um going around when it comes to that the whole area I mean they’re so intertwined with everybody already right um and Doug Wilson he said he wants to make Moscow a Christian town and that’s his goal right so do you think they could have had any are they any play in
This thing I mean that well I mean I’ve done I’ve done podcast episodes about cults and there’s Cults that have hit squads out I’ve done multiple Church of the Lamb of God uh there’s several of them the one guy they called him the Mormon Manson cuz he was ordering hits
So I mean it’s not beyond the realm of possibility I’m just curious if if you think that’s in any play whatsoever here I I mean when you because we were watching I was checking out the sermons before I introduced it to the show last year and when you watch the sermons from Doug
Wilson or any of the people that are doing Germans on there when it comes to women and their rules or what they like to go by it’s like wow like you know aw what decade are you living in dude hor and so when you think when when I
Started thinking about the incel at Queen Road Apartments then I started going well if you look at the views that they have when it comes to women and what women are allowed to do and what women where they should be and all this other stuff basically to the point like well
It’s up to the lady to choose who she gets to be Subs servant to uh you look at that kind of uh energy and with that message that’s being put out there and if you have that small bubble that’s only 15 2,000 people and you’re not allowed to go outside and you’re not
Allowed to mingle and then you are a 15 16 17 early 20s who knows early 30s and you’re not successful uh at dating and you’re not comfortable and you have all these strong views of what’s not the Christian way and you see the Instagram post and things like that it makes me
Wonder too is this not a person or a group that could came from there too because of the ideology of and the views towards women and what they should be doing and not oh yeah I mean there’s we’ve done so many serial killer stories on murder Metal Mayhem the podcast where
We’ve done the Green River Killer you know Arthur Shaw cross I mean all these people that murdered prostitutes because they were cleansing the world of the scourge and that’s how they looked at it it was horrible but it’s very justification yeah you know exactly yeah it’s it’s
Pretty wild now you’re getting ready to take a trip CJ I hear bags are packed you’re you’re about ready to hit the road anything you want to share with the with the people watching uh just going to get some more footage uh now that the weather’s
Starting to warm up I’ll be hitting the road hitting more trips uh coming up now and so I’ll be starting the spring off like you know I’m just calling it spring because I haven’t seen snow much at all and it star to get warmer so I’m ready
To hit the road uh just getting some new footage I got a drone now to add to the footage when I give when I go get footage on new locations different locations I’m going to be going you were talking mura uh a little bit ago yeah before the show and uh I’m actually
Going to be going to get more Stephen Smith uh footage and stuff yeah that one of the yeah that’s one that’s one that we dug into in the beginning of of the show’s existence uh after a couple months of me doing a show I came everybody was talking about uh you know
The Maggie and Paul and that crime that took place and I I came across Stevens and I was like whoa now that’s just how was that a hit and run how was that a hit and run absolutely not yeah yeah no that’s interesting that’s cool that’s
Cool you can do some uh foot get some footage and uh hit some spots so I’m sure we’ll we’ll see where you go and when you show it on the on your channel what speaking of the channel anything you got coming up anything new or exciting you want to mention about what
You’re doing over there at CJ’s crime Concepts uh pretty much going to be hitting the road you know going on location anything that’s breaking stuff like that uh I love hitting the road and I love traveling and I love going to different spots and so just be doing a
Lot more on location shows and things like that awesome and you do a live you do lives every day right or nearly pretty much every day uh I was doing two shows a day there for a while and then uh we had a fire here uh back
In August and so they were doing a lot of work the last couple months with the unit next door and then coming over here and kind of uh getting everything fixed up from the restoration and stuff like that so it kind of took a hit with the
Daytime shows but I’ll be doing daytime shows coming up uh again here shortly that’s cool that’s cool um but anything uh you know I wanted to you know like I said do these interviews to kind of encourage you know collaborations with the creators I mean what do you think
About that as a as a way of kind of building I know there is a community already but you know trying to get us more doing things like this you know uh to to be able to expand upon what we already do but what do you what do you
Think about the collaboration here going on I think it’s beautiful uh and you know Community equals more of a force and a louder voice and if you have more people screaming at the same time it’s harder to to shut us up so I think it’s a beautiful thing it’s like a Transformer
You we all we’re all different parts of that Collective force and then when we’re all put together you can’t stop us and I I just think it’s awesome add more to it yeah that’s really cool and it’s nice when you see the big channels like
Harsh or somebody he he gave me a couple big shout outs here recently which was super cool um he’s going to be doing a live with ar Hayes um AR you know really really excited about it and I just in in lucky and AR I’ve done interviews with
Both of those guys both super people and they’re doing a four-part Idaho 4 Series that they’re working on so I think it’s awesome I I agree I think that sort of thing is good I know going back to the band world I mentioned earlier you know
We we that’s how we were able to play shows out of our Market was to tag team with other bands from other places and do gig exchanges you know and um we two were you know extensively just doing gig exchanges with band so I kind of brought
That into this world and thought I would try to see how it worked and so far I’ve been happy with the uh the success I’ve had you know you’re I think the fourth or fifth one that I’ve interviewed so that that’s really cool yeah and I appreciate you doing it too because
There’s not many people out there that do yeah I know you said you have done it interviews with some of the different creators as well on your channel yeah I do even uh people that aren’t creators I’ve done uh interviews with where it’s just about you know
Their path uh you know how they you know what made them choose to go that direction uh right the the struggles uh the the achievements o the overcoming and then uh you know the message and and where they’d like to be I think any anybody that has a story I
Think uh anybody can learn from and and try and do better uh the next day whether it’s life or work or relationship or whatever and I think there’s a message and everything so I think uh conversation is is you know one of the things that uh real conversation
Where two people sit down and actually you know have a voice to voice a lot of it gets lost nowadays with uh apps and right technology and just thumbs and you don’t get that personal connection so I think the more that it’s promoted the more special uh that the message becomes
That’s cool man well CJ thank you so much for doing this with me today it was nice to actually get a chance to chat I know we’re both super busy and quick emails don’t quite match being able to sit down like this and talk even though it’s uh through the internet but we’re
Both very passionate about True Crime obviously in this case Idaho 4 um and I’m sure we’ll do more stuff together so uh safe travels in your trips this spring and I look forward to seeing what you where you go uh on your channel so I’ll link to this down below you get
CJ’s Channel and then the video that I referenced about the uh Christ Church if you want to go down that crazy Rabbit Hole So yeah thank you I appreciate you and uh really uh you you you do a great job out there in the True Crime community
And I just want to say thank you for all your hard work and your efforts and everything that you do because uh you do approach it with a respectful way uh with a logical mind too with about peace positivity and progress so I appreciate you very much that’s cool man well
Likewise and uh I’ll see you next time dude be good
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