Denouncing Delta Sigma Theta | with Mistye Quinn aka @writeousrhema | S4 Ep 13

Fast forward February 7th I turned in my resonation letter I renounced and denounced my sori I sent it to the headquarters and got you know I officially denounced my membership so it think for me it was like it was easy for me to leave when I realized I was being

Gasm I feel like so when I say hey you can’t be a Christian and be a Delta who do you jump to the F first yeah everybody know I be a Del you jump to you jump to your you defended your gu welcome y’all to another episode of the

Presidential executive what’s going on this your homie right here JB this my brother and over here El Presidente R what’s going on El Presidente what’s going on Mr executive what’s the good word man the word is gasl okay the word is gasl gas you know gas lighting gas lighting gas lighting

And we have a special guest that we’re going to we’re going to get into some things that you know may ruffle some um some feathers possibly you know yeah yeah you know possibly but um y’all know what to do y’all go ahead and like this video right now that you watching go

Ahead like it subscribe wher wherever that you stream podcast uh do us a solid on that and also we’re on Facebook we’re trying to get that uh up as well go ahead and like us on Facebook on Instagram and all those social handles and you know you’ve already seen well

Hopefully you’ve already seen our live you know that we have did we did probably a week or so ago with uh righteous Rama we have her here again we got a few things that we you know we want to discuss she she as rag did uh

Present her she said she’s an author um and she has a book if you look right there on the table that’s exactly what you are looking at her book gaslit correct that’s correct gas lit okay Escaping The Narcissist pit St okay and we we got her here we’re gonna talk

About that and yeah she actually got an announcement you know that she’s going to make yeah for the first time live yeah publicly yeah yeah so we’re going to do that so let’s go ahead and get right into it first I call you Misty you

Know what I’m saying we you know yeah we we call you Misty you know righteous Rond that’s your you know name to fame pseudo you know what I mean so tell us about this book that you wrote and when did you do it and all the good stuff and

The editing and all that stuff cuz I’m interested because I’m thinking about about books and stuff as well so okay so maybe I think maybe in 2019 um I think one of my I do photography on the side one of my photography clients gave me a journal so

I had it late to the side and I was okay I’m going use this one day I don’t know what for so then later on that year I went to a church service and lady was praying for me and then like I just had this burning desire to just write I went

Home and I I got to write I got to write I got to write so I put out the journal and I F the journal up maybe like two years and half years some of the stuff in my journal I cannot put in a book cuz

I may lose a lot of friends and family members but you know this is what this is what I could publish publicly without upsetting a lot of people so I just it started off as a journal and then um it turned into a book and then you know

Some some parts I left out but um turned into a book and became a Amazon number one bestseller thanks to my publisher Elite um Publications they’re very helpful with that so um it was a it was a a church service an empty Journal a book it wasn’t my plan I I plan on

Writing like some I plan on writing like some fiction books and some devotional type books but never a nonfiction book yeah you know I got to get this a little bit messy but I was I wanted to ask like what were you know what were

You going to put in there that was going to you know get a lot of people I mean obviously not verbatim but like in the in the category you know what like what was we know you know sometimes there’s some family secrets and every family has this sec secret and shameful things and

You know churches had some shameful things and you know soror fraternities had some shameful things and some things I I didn’t feel it was I was ready to put it out at the moment I wasn’t ready for the backlash and the feedback at the

Moment so um but yeah you know so I feel if I have a part two which I do have a part two in mind I’ll put more in there but I feel like I want to kind of test the waters with the first book and see I

Got you okay cuz I I didn’t want it to be like a bleeding on people like I’m just like I’m hurt I’m wounded I’m bleeding I’m like like a what’s the woman name Karen stephin you know tell all I wasn’t I wasn’t trying to like get back at people and hurt people

Right so I make sure write this write this book from a heel perspective don’t write it from a bitter perspective so it took me like three or four years so when I was in a heill space I could write from a different perspective of not bitterness but betterment I mean from if

If you didn’t see like like he said by the time y’all see this episode the episode that we went live on will already be out but I just bust out laughing when she brought up Korean Stephan AKA Superhead because if you saw the live from busting down to TD sh

Talking about being swallowed to it goes it always goes back to head that’s why it was just funny when she said Korean steping when you said Superhead so what does um cuz we we talked about this off camera but what does it mean to be gas

Lit or give us a couple of examples of when somebody’s gaslighting yeah because that’s people say it now but it’s context yeah it’s it’s different like cuz me and my wife sometime may have different definitions of what gas lighting is so what yeah so so the word

Gasl it doesn’t the origins has nothing to do with what you would think it has to do with it’s from a black and white film you know back in the day and it was a you know a story about a man married a woman and she had a rich aunt and he was

Trying he married her her to get to her aunts F she some paintings and some ant in addict so back then they didn’t have like elixir they we have now they had gas they had gas lamps so he would he would you know sometime go in the attic

And light up a lamp and so when he used the light upstairs the light downstairs got dimmer and so she so the wife she was like honey did it get dark and he oh no no nothing that dark but the whole time he was up in the attic trying to

Steal her aunt’s possessions MH and so so that’s what the term gasl comes from he trying to make her think she’s crazy he tells her oh like you remember your mother went to a mental hospital that’s what’s wrong with you or he convinc her he would hide stuff from her make her

Think she lost or misplaced it he was really hiding it so he wanted to get her institutionalized so he could steal all her aunts possessions so the word gas it would it doesn’t have anything to do with lighting or gas it has to do with it’s a old movie but but usually when

Someone’s gaslighting you you know sometime people may disagree on I’m not trying to Gaslight you but usually it has like a nefarious intention like your purpose you trying to make somebody feel like like you like you hit somebody you pret oh I’m s and hit you I just slipped

And Fa hit you oh I didn’t know that was your card I used I thought that was my my credit card I used when someone is purposely trying to hurt you they’re trying to pretend they’re not make you like you’re going crazy or that you’re over you know you’re over exaggerating

So someone trying to get something over on you they have to make you look crazy in order to do it successfully so would you say to it also has a context of it’s not just somebody doing something but then when you are addressing them about it

Like she was about and another thing he was doing in the movie he was taking the oil little bit of the oil out of the lamp every day so when it get lit it’s like okay it’s it’s getting darker and no that ain’t happening and so to her point he’s making her think

She crazy now and so that’s where the nefarious part comes in but she was addressing the situation and he was acting like the situation didn’t exist even though she was saying to the point about using the credit card hey JB man you use my credit

Card m i a use your credit card what you talking about you know what I’m saying but you knew you was using my credit card and I’m calling you on it but you’re instead of you just saying oh okay my bad let me pay you back so now

I’m in a situation we have to be like I have to question my sanity or my reality order to make you like you’re right so when they make you it’s that they undermine your trust in yourself and you’re kind of like maybe I’m wrong and then after enough of that over a year

You’re like maybe I’m going crazy maybe I’m maybe I need a mental health agnosis so they’re trying to make you feel like you’re it’s not just lying to you it’s making you feel like you’re going crazy in the process okay so like so you’re using that so you say

You’re you’re you’re talking from a perspective of being healed in your book right healed healed from what like can you um what well not just what to be like very very surface I want I want people to go get the book right but I just like hurt from what like

Childhood trauma you yeah there I don’t really mention the book so much some childhood I don’t really go into this book about it okay um a lot of church you know a lot of church I’ve had abusive bosses abusive Church relationships um Family situations so it’s it’s you know just

Anytime someone try to mistreat me I try to speak up for myself and I’m told you’re wrong that’s not what happened you’re crazy that’s not what happened and then it kind of put you in a situation where you have to stay and get more abused because if it’s not what

They said it was or what I if it’s not what I said was I have no reason to leave so you’re kind of stuck so I so the subtitle is Escaping The Narcissist pit so if you’re in a pit you’re in a bad situation and it’s like you

Eventually get out of it so the book is talking about how it’s telling people tips and tools ands how to get out of the pit how to know you’re being Gastly how to know you’re with a narcissist how to get free from that okay like in the

Narcissist thing too because most of the time when I hear narcissist I’m thinking of like men right but it’s some women that are some narcissists as well but just for me uh learning about it and I had to look up the term cuz I’ve been called that before you know what I mean

Like you’re a narcissist and stuff you know like like what is what is actually this and so being a narcissist is like it can be a real a male like power pump your chest type of look at me type of thing but then I’ve seen it I don’t know

If you heard of like vulnerable narcissism you know what I’m saying that’s something like more so kind of more cater to women you know I think men can have it as well but it’s like it’s it’s the same characteristics but it’s just done in a more backstage

Manipulative type of way you know um so when so when you say narcissism are you you you’re talking well let me ask this when you’ve dealt with uh experienced narcissism was it from a man was it um some some of my jobs has been women in my job some of

The churches I it’s been the women at my job so it’s it’s been it’s been like even you know cuz only they men so the men narcissist me that way but you know the pastor is a female or co-pastor is a female so it it’s like and sometime in

The church where they call it Jezebel spirit so when a woman is a narcissist is more like a jezebel type spirit it’s a lot of you know so it’s very like it’s very similar to a jezebel type Spirit okay okay okay yeah but y’all go check

Out her book and it’s it’s everywhere or just on Amazon yeah Amazon and my website um righteous r.com and Amazon okay we’ll make sure we have that information in the video and you said it’s is it’s a it was a bestseller on on Amazon yeah when it was first L been

Some bestseller list you know like codependency and mental health and parenting and the different categories it was a number one seller okay okay cool cool cool cool now um again you know I think think y’all should definitely go get her book and see that and but now if you actually

Watch the when she was here on the last season in our conversation um you can easily see it she’s on the thumbnail on it I think it has righteous Rama on it I’m not sure the exact other title of it but it’s easy to find you know what I mean and I

Think she’s actually tagged on it on her uh YouTube page but you talked about you know your experience growing up going to University of Tennessee right in Knoxville Knoxville and you know getting into a sorority you know and and your feelings about that you know what I’m saying and

So now where we coming from now it’s like a progress cuz if you go back and listen or see that episode and then you listen to you know what we’re talking about now you’ll kind of see how you know she’s continued to progress or just you know through her journey of you know

You know kind of the process for those uh who didn’t see the season 3 episode uh that you were on um what what uh sorority uh did you join or or I guess not necessarily join but what’s the word to use yeah um yeah just you know initiating

To right that you that’s that’s the word pledge well what did you pledge um Delta Sigma Thea okay so you was you know throwing the D you know I’m a wrestling fan she was doing the DDP you know like that’s a Diamond Cutter you D and so that’s

That’s one of the uh divine nine correct yes mhm okay and so uh what what what are the divine nine if you can I guess without telling everything like what how would you I guess if somebody didn’t know what the divine nine what like what are the

Divine nine well you know you know white know white like white went to nin white institution you know pwi UT Knoxville so you know there there’s tons of because the panalin counsil so a lot of white SW white fraternities so it’s a lot of those you know in you know UT but then

Some schools have you know the black Greek come bgo black Greek letter organizations or the Divine n so it’s no Iota for the males Iota Sigma ba um Sigma alphaa know the Deltas AKA you know HG R Zetas so it’s the n black you know black historically black you know other other

Races can join it but mostly black people are in right right right right you know so you know it’s like you know you can do an undergraduate you know it has be a foure university or can do it in M no you can do alumni not Masters

But if you graduate you do an alumni chapter if you didn’t do it those four years you can do it in alumni chapter and people who some people who did in the four years they’ll continue on in alumni chapter yeah okay and so hold up is that what pwi meant predominantly

White white institutions y wow you know no I mean like I okay so I thought that but it was like not not predominantly I thought the W I thought the w stand for white but I was trying to figure out what the p and I’m like that’s got to mean white

Because they say the difference between pwi and HBCU which is historically black College University but I’m like that can’t be what that mean like I hope that’s not what that mean and that’s exactly what it means exactly what it mean cuz some be having uh I’ve seen these uh uh big conversations and

Conferences and people that be talking with pwis and I’ll be like what are they saying like what a pwi so I was like I had to be like okay they’re talking about you us just position to they’re not like they’re us to saying when they talking about HBCU or right right I get

It I get it so now um tell us your your progression in your experiences now with dealing with you being um in a you know sorority well um just recently February 7th I know you I was ask on the podcast well first on the podcast I think you

Know you all off own camera we mention about like how do you reconcile being a Christian with being an authority yeah so you were the chaplain at one point right yeah I was a chap my undergraduate year and so you know so so you asking

About I was like like every other time I was asking like no there no there’s no you know no issues no issu between the two you can be a Christian and be a frat 40 um so progression is that fast forward February 7th I turned in my resonation letter I renounced and

Denounced my sority I sent it to the headquarters and got you know I officially denounced my membership in Delta C witha so you didn’t okay so the the whole denouncement thing like you have to go to the actual the department that you got it from you just like no we we

Pass in different like my chapter was m so it was the UT Knoxville chap it’s different chapters all you know the country right um and so and so I had to write a letter I wrote official letter to the headquarters you know telling them you know I R nowc I didn’t tell I

Didn’t tell them the details I just say it affective immediately and permanently I’m I renounced and denounced my membership I told him what chapter I join what year I join and that you know please remove me from all you know so um so yeah February 7th this year I

Officially you know separated from the organization now you you took it up there you get any uh IE roll when you had to turn it you had to I’m assuming you had to turn it into one of the people that is part of your

Sorority no no I just I just I just had to mail it I just mailed it out okay you mailed it okay because I I play I play as Delta like it was 19 I’m 30 I’ll be 39 you know in July so 38 so half my

Life I’ve been in Delta so it was like 19 years ago so you know I don’t I don’t report to the chapter I joined originally I just sent to the headquarters and they’ll take me off the website you know they’ll take me off the list they said they need a few more

Information to get take me off officially but uh they say I’m officially I I’ve officially anounced so what so what what changed like what what what happened that made you like I need to officially go ahead and do this okay so so when I first joined 19 years

Ago I felt a little conviction I felt a little you know like when you first get in like the gaslighting you first get in they tell you oh a Christian Service public service community service organization so you go in thinking it’s one thing you get in and then you like

Oh this is this is different you know so so when I first when I first got initiated you know we have I’m not going to describe we had a we had a secret ceremony and so I was I was before this altar it was only it was I’m surrounded

By all these women and white and everything and so and I was I kneeling down for the altar which is already kind of suspicious for a Christian organization to have an altar and we were like all white like we been initiated to like some secret

Organization which we were and so I so I was trying to read this I was reading a vow it was a vow oath or pledge I was pling this vow this lifelong oath vow pledge mhm so and only one of I was it

Was 27 of 27 of us on my line so all 27 of us only two of us we had a heart like like we could get the words and we were like trying to read it we like we could the words would come our M it’s like I

Was so embarrassed I’m like around these like 60 70 something women and I’m trying to read and it’s like like God wouldn’t let my he wouldn’t let me say it and it was one of the girl in my line same thing happened to her we just could

Get the words out out mhm and I’m like what’s going on why can’t get this out so I kind I kind of had a clue like this is I gu everything else I can say normal you know I us have a Suter as a child like elementary school but I was like I

Could I can always read real plain this day I could not get those words out so I kind of felt maybe God don’t be doing this but you know just a Christian organization and my big sister she did the year before me my big sister would let me get into something that’s you

Know ungodly or anything like that she would never leave me a straight uh so those so I I I was I would hear different sermons here there know people saying you can be in turn and I was like they don’t talking about they’re just they’re just mad they didn’t get in they

Just mad they didn’t qualify or something like this so I would kind of feel they were just jealous or whatever um and then you know you know and so just February 7th I was watching some it was a man on um he was on YouTube he was he was like a pastor he

Was talking about his journey you know Mega I had never heard a man R I heard a few women renounced never heard a man renounced especially like publicly so watching this testimony I was at work I had my earphones in at work and it was so powerful I just start I start typing

My letter at while he was talking I was typ my it was a 2our testimony I was typing my letter while he was talking I got to send this out today so it’s like it really touched me and I just really I knew I had to leave that now if you if

You didn’t think if you didn’t see what you saw on YouTube do you think you would eventually got there or that was kind of like the cherry on top or you were already kind of musing on that yeah I was I had watched a few is this I

Don’t know her name young lady on YouTube She interviews different people different you know Divine n leave whatever so I watch like three other testimonies from deltas and none of it touched none of it moved me none of it was like they just they’re not really

Talking about so I I never felt anything when they were talking but when he I guess he was talking the anointing and it was just so powerful I just could not like I just like I I’m work for two hours in my Des just glued just watching

Listening I got to do this I feel like if what he’s saying is true I have to do this right now like I cannot ignore this what he’s saying to do right now yeah so I her other testimonies they kind of you know about it but none of them ever

Trust me like how he is okay I mean so obviously you know it’s going to be I don’t want to say push back oh push back but you’re going to have some people who are going to uh I don’t want to say oppose to say challenge what you’re saying so what do

You say to somebody who’s saying that it doesn’t take all of that or um you need to do some more research or um don’t put where you are on everybody else like what would you say to those those things yeah man I was man

I agree like it took me 19 years so most people know a lot people haven’t done 19 years so I feel like you know it took i’ been I’ve been in Master’s level Seminary been Sunday school teacher Bible study teacher Vacation Bible School teacher get my doctor in another

Seminary so I feel like if it took me that long I grew up in a Sanctified Church T speaking casting out Devils if it took me that long took me 19 years I cannot dare tell somebody who’s not even remly into church like that I understand because when you leave it’s not like

It’s not a m it’s not just a matter to it’s not that easy to just leave it’s not because when you leave you’re leaving all the connection that you make so you’re walking away from connections you’re walking away from you know some people some people I know they’re very

Successful in the careers because when they interview somebody in their same word of fraternity interview them M and so may make a lot of con so you know then maybe they have a spouse that’s in the for return or their child join because of them are their dad they join

Their dad their legacy their dad was an alpha their dad was an Omega so I’m understanding like when you leave it’s not something that’s easy I don’t expect it to be easy at all to do and I would not have left it wasn’t for that one man

Testimony I would not have left cuz I heard previous testimonies and they did not move me I was like that’s not that serious we don’t know like every every um bllo has a goddess or God and usually it’s in their seal so we they have a

Goddess n you know and so I think I think the alas in there have some Egyptian god so everyone they have different goddess and goddesses whatever and so you know you just start thinking about like H this this may not be so I think for me it was like it was easier

For me to leave when I realized I was being gas lit and I realized like oh this is not really Christian organization oh this a what what I said it I can leave now it’s like you married person found that they were born a man or you know like like this whole thing

Is I mean like oh like but she talked about this again this this episode will already be out but just so y’all know if you want to know if she was born a woman if you shake her hand and she breaks all the bone in your

Hand she might be a dude if she never has a period or a cycle she might be a dude just kind of casually ask her you know when her cycle comes is it heavy or light see her response ask for baby pictures you know what I’m saying like ask ask about how

She feels about cuz we talked about this on the the previous previous episode ask her how she feels about you running red lights if she don’t if she don’t even blink or Flint she might not have a red light that light might be green all the

Time you need to run if that’s not your thing yeah if her Adams apple is bigger than yours she might be and I’m just saying yeah if if that’s what you like that’s what you like but I’m saying if you’re not trying to be gas lit into a

Situation like that yeah make sure you do your due diligence and and what you said I’ve heard a lot of uh people talking about the the Christian is a Christian organization right just like a lot of people say America is a Christian Nation Christian Nation right compare to what oh I’m

Sorry yeah exactly you know what I mean so it’s like I mean you can say Muslims Islam has a lot of Christian values have you ever been to one of their parties who any one of the the parties yeah all I’m G say is is if that’s what the

Church is like sign me up that’s the kind of party I want to be I’m just saying cuz I ain’t never went to no well not out in the open anyway I ain’t never went to no church where it’s just yeah and it went no praying going on when you

Oh no it was some laying on the hands though oh was some laying on the hands yeah it was definitely that it it was defin it was a lot of tongues went no praying there was a lot of tongues invol I’m just saying right so to that point

I’m not I’m not going to say it is or it ain’t cuz you know I had an incident where I was thinking about you know pleasing and then like you know just like you ain’t going to talk to me like that like I don’t I don’t give a damn

What this is for like I I know my dad I got a dad I know how to respect elders and Authority you don’t have to talk to me correct yeah you find you know you find like you think it’s a chrisan organization know interest meeting everyone’s nice to the interest meeting

And nice and it and soon you get when you get that no if your church if your not church if your organization does ha which your mind did you find that real quick and they start calling you all types of mother effers and bees and stuff you like oh that that ain’t

Christian so you know a lot you know a lot of the BG I know in my school you know I’m not going to speak all in but there was hazing going on um you know so and so I I knew I knew make my first I

Got at first got saved may like a year after I joined Delta so I told I was the one who made the part I made the party flyers and everything and I was like and I said I said y’all can’t do no more I can’t do more part for I can’t you know

Like I can’t promote this anymore um and I was a chaplain so I was like I can’t be you know cussing the girls out and then I’m bow our heads you know I couldn’t right CU one thing I refuse to do I said I refuse to Mis I refuse to misrepresent God to

People I could just see that though I hate you little [ __ ] get it l but first let us give thanks that’s all whole hands you just call no I’m not praying right now yeah you know and I remember like experience like when I when I was you know online we were in

Haz online uhhuh so the chap before I’m not going to say her name but the chap before you know we’re getting hazed and stuff and mistreated and then doing Bible study and I was like and I said I I I can never I can never misrepresent God these people because even after this

Is all said and done I got to give an account to how I handled your word and my character so so I was I think I the first one of the whole cuz that chapter was founded in 1975 I think I the first of only the first only girl who ever

Said I’m not going to ha is the girl so I was kind of like a black sheep even then like just two years in like you the girl I ain’t lie I go to hell night went to hell night but I didn’t do nothing I

Didn’t I didn’t say nothing no I just I hell night yeah that’s that’s when you that’s the night before you really that’s the worst night ever I mean cuz what how could it be a Christian organization hell cuz hell is in the Bible so that got to be Jesus then cuz

When Jesus died then he go to hell for three days so then it’s biblical and you rise up all you know G right right G and so you know perfect so so I I did go to hell night but I didn’t I did not participate I didn’t like say I I didn’t

Say anything but you know I knew like I just you know if I’m G to be these gears chaplain I can’t I can’t do both of these at the same time yeah you know and I can’t be doing the party flies whatever and I’m not saying like I’m not

I’ve been a party since I’ve been saved I’m not saying I’m like some perfect person but I just knew I couldn’t mix two up and if it’s a Christian organiz you know it’s a Christian organization volunteer you know not people some people just part they was no volunteer

They were just part in the whole time I’m one of the few girls who was actually volunteering consistent at the boys and girls club and stuff and some people just like it was it’s in a way it’s kind of like a it the principes it kind of promotes things like you know

Pride and arrogance cuz you know on campus you’re like the popular girls like the you’re popular everybody look up to you oh my gosh you’re a Del everybody all the men want to talk to all the girls want to be you so it’s like in a way you you had that thought

Oh you can’t tell a AK nothing they think they all that Delta’s like they they all they like you know they they like the home girls they they like you know what I’m saying like that that’s like them the homies right there you know what I’m saying like you got

Your yeah you know I a going to say what people thought about but you know you had your impressions of when you saw certain sororities like oh okay you know oh these girls couldn’t get in the other one so they joined that one cuz they couldn’t get in the one that everybody

Want to be in like right right you know you know you know it promotes it Fox you know of arrogance and high mindedness and classism and you know so you know like I like I couldn’t see where I couldn’t see the Christian party I was in church enough to know I don’t really

See now now when does the Christian part start was it at the parties or was it the cut me at Hazen or was it at the this part you like there there’s a there’s a underground process and above ground process so know know that’s what your advisor see the you know doing

Thing the right way there there the underground process so I was know I was getting on both ends whatever but actually what surprised me was that I was I felt the ungodly prob was not even the Hazen they would that was like child play I saw the boy Godly stuff in the

You know we have a book a ritual it’s kind of suspicious have a book called ritual so sometime they like have like they twist scripture they like like 1 Corinthians 13 and they’ll put when I was I thought as a Delta I act as a Delta like they would switch words

Around and put they put Bible verses in so they would Mi up scriptures like that I was like and they like they’ll make Psalms and HMS they’ll put Delta and I’m sure you all heard some like I pleas all my love and peace and happiness I’m

Going to give it to and they will PL like all your love peace and happiness to a organization with a goddess over I’m God over you know so I knew this this is not really a Christian organization but I was getting benefits from like okay I get the you know when I

Wear my jacket everybody think I’m just so amazing I can I can go in the the Greek people so I I kind of stayed in it because it was kind it was some perks to it you know correct it is have a friend I’m I have a friend she she’s in it and

She was like I want to be a judge someday and if I know I’m a judge I I get more I get the votes from you know even like our mayor you know he’s a cathic you know so like you know all the all the you get everyone BG going to

Vote for him even if they’re not in C because just because they want to support B so there there are some perks when you’re you know it’s like it’s like a it’s like being a Mason kind of it’s true it’s like being a Mason you kind of

Like a handshake like oh you okay you get the job oh you’re a Delta okay you’re AKA okay come on you’re Che can get to this private school it’s like it’s like you get perk so when you so that’s it’s not easy to leave because you leave you leaving all the benefits

You I just want a way to get the perks without actually having to do yeah you know what I’m saying like if I knew the hand shake it’s like oh your gas on me you know oh you how much you get for grow don’t even worry about perks are

Real because I I mean just you being in Corporate America or if like if you’re in a voting race of a mayor or a city councilman or something like that and somebody finds out oh he’s an alpha like they don’t even know oh that here bro so

I’mma you know even though I don’t know anything else per se or their policies are maybe close to the same the deciding factor for me is going to be if he’s a part of this organization that I’m a part of yeah and more than likely you know whether his friends or his dad

Somebody put a word come you know so it’s like so like when you say to something you lose you know you don’t NE you not have to lose a perks necessarily but you may lose a lot of perks like if you don’t make good enough friends yeah they you know

Sometime they may blackb you like because you turn on them everything you got going to sh you of it you know now to get this straight now you’re not saying that anybody else that has not come to that Revelation or decision that you have they’re a Satanist no I don’t I

Don’t think they’re about about or you know what I mean like there that’s a bit you know now now the guy testimony who I listened to he kind of made some some yeah yeah he he kind of made it if you could even be saved or

Go to heaven if you were yikes he made if God let him know that he couldn’t go to you know be saved if he was so I was like it’s kind of so I’m I’m not I’m not there or not there yet but um but the

Man I heard was a he’s a he plays Alpha I mean he plays Omega and so he was saying first he God convicted him about being a Mason first mhm so know most people most people like youred fraternity is like a gateway to being order e stall or Mason yep but in

His case the omegas had been they they were their chat was damn they were suspended for Hazen so he became his mother mother was an order of the Eastern Star so he say he was easy to get into he became Mason first then he plays on me which is almost unheard of

Usually it’s other way around yeah now I do think M masonry is a satanic order yeah that’s different yeah and so if a Christian organization leades into a satanic order it’s almost like you you know you had the feeder teams like in school the feeder schools that feed to

The football team or another school it’s almost like a feeder like like join here first and then you’re so familiar with rituals o and pleases and vows in the name of God and we get to this grand architect or the great architect of masonry and then you get to 33rd level

You realize it’s luciferian or satanic so I feel as if I feel like it’s almost like a feeder to a satanic organization but Misty what about the Brotherhood and sister Sisterhood like it’s something Godly about that right the Christianity like me having a br with you know we in

Alpha we in Q like we’re hanging out we’re doing you know we’re giving out turkeys we’re feeding the homeless we’re know Brown you know what I’m saying yeah we’re doing of we’re doing all these things that are charitable you know that make that help out the community you

Know what I mean to make us look like or even you know not even saying the people that doing that they’re not genuine but you you know they do those things in in the for the sake of the Brotherhood and that we’re doing things not only to help

Ourselves but to help our community and stuff like that so what would you say for somebody be like no what’s what’s wrong with that yeah now now if you’re if you’re a fraternity SW Den not hey like they you know like like if you had

To smack him to be his brother you cuss him out real bad to be his brother y’all Brotherhood it be kind of it would be it would be kind of strange be kind of like side eye you know and so it’s like I I can’t be like I can’t like to be my

Sister’s sister I just had to be born to the same mom and dad as her but if I had to be your sister I get punched in the stomach and cuss out and and pour water on my head and call me names and and hope keep sleep know have me sleep

Thepride for 24 hours like if I got do all that to be your brother your sister you know how Christian is it you know and you know and so you know now some I’m not saying no k s return does not ha some of them you know they they got

Caught and they stop hazing so you know the white ones I don’t think a lot of the white ones I mean I’m sure some the boy the male ones did hate but the white girls I think they just kind of come together you know I no no white they are

Notorious the men the men they’ve had a lot of deaths from men yeah that’s what I’m saying like that’s how you know like [ __ ] is getting killed out here like you know like having them cuz one of them I wanted they was like running across the street or something like that

Yeah they had them like running across like and guy got hit by a car or something like that like it’s you know like no the Hazen it’s dang there like a gang initiation literally you know what I’m saying even even the the the men who killed um Ty Nichols they were they were

Three of them were meas and one of them was a president of his chapter hear that and so like when I saw it when I saw the video first my head said he probably in fraternity probably hate like my my I knew I knew knew knew I knew immed I

Said he be in like as if they like initiate each other try to see initiate to cop gang or cop eternity so I when I saw I knew this so I’m not saying that’s what fraternity but I saw the energy between them I was like that’s dynamic between

Them was like a fraternity Dynamic where it’s going to be a casual some going to have to die you know so something like white fraternity you will see people dying I don’t hear so much of black fraternities but I do hear you know so it’s like it what Brotherhood it what C

To give out a turkey somebody have to die from to get out a turkey I’m a Christian you know like you get 10 black men together y’all can pass out of turkeys without cussing somebody out smacking somebody in the face you know I think they have something called The

Elephant the elephant you got a man to hold another man’s this and all all that foolish and this some food wa what it’s called an elephant walk with some Elephant Walk you you wait you holding what just the men you know and some not some of them they have to you know what

What are we holding some sometime there’s some sometime there’s some homoerotic type hazing practices the men you don’t have the elephant has a trunk and it holds the other person’s tail yeah but the trunk is in the oh hell no ain’t no way like yeah I don’t know so I got the

Great what chap you doing you know so so so the question and but even if you’re not familiar with the way the male anatomy works if you’re holding your own and enough friction happens yeah what do you think is going to happen if I’m playing with myself and

Enough friction happen so now if somebody got their whole hand ain’t no way and if my whole hand around like come on man butt naked 10 but men in a circle holding you know like like it’s it’s like cuz if you squirt on me you got to go I’m going to

Jail JB over with I’m going to jail you got to die yeah keep so you know so so again Brotherhood and what the hand of the turkey I got to hold somebody penis to get a turkey out there feel like like go together this point right you know

And that’s why some have some look he gota be on your taxes though I’m I need a cigarette afterwards I don’t even smoke cigarettes I need a cigarette yeah you know some sometimes sometime their buns are so close and I’m not saying a lot of homorotic stuff going on but it’s

I’ve heard of some homerotic practices you know you know they to get you that to get you know this humiliation rituals they got to get you humiliated they get you broken to B you back up again and so I feel like so I’m not against women

Like if I get with 20 women in my church and say hey y’all we uh we’re going to be successful black women we going to love the Lord pray going to give to the community so is there a female equivalent to an elephant walk I don’t I can’t I can’t think of

Any I’m sure they may be some but I can’t think it’s not a thing where like all of y’all like due to the female anatomy I don’t see the there a bunch of people sitting up there in the scissor position yeah I you know so so you say

So I say gas lit it’s like like you you got me under you got me in under here under false pretenses this is a Chris come I think chis volunteer I’m thinking about just Christians who volunteer with good G I feel like you g us cuz this is

A lot of information I didn’t think that we was going to get I’m thinking I ain’t surprised we going to talk about you know backlash and you know Spiritual Awakening or something and now you telling me [ __ ] walking around grabbing dicks like come on man I didn’t sign up for this

Tonight but imagine how the men feel when they get they getting those room thinking and they’re like take got your clothes off you’re like you know imagine how they so so I feel like it’s like it’s like you’re you’re not really being honest up front so I feel like when

Somebody G gas like me I feel like I kind of don’t really owe you anything like I’m I’m able to I don’t mind join a Christian organization with women who give back with good DPA I don’t mind nothing like that but when I got when I finish like goddesses and rituals and

Twist of scripture behind it and then the women who get in funnel to order Eastern Star no offense of those who are in masonry but and like I said I know like with masonry you know they tell you 32 levels but the third3 level is really when you realize the grand architect is

Satan is Lucifer you know I feel like if if you’re leading people to that I know I know men who joined I know men from church who join the fraternity and next thing I know they’re Masons and I know they are Muslim they left the faith all

Together and I feel like that it was like a Gateway you know you know they get those you know they get paddle the brins everything they put all that love peace and happiness and it’s like what what is Christian what what in what Bible verse does it tell you to join

Secret organizations and get spank and burn your skin burn your flesh and make Sim on your SK like I I don’t see any you know it’s not like I said it’s it’s organization it’s not Christian yeah yeah I’m kinky but I don’t even get spanked that’s a little that’s a little

50 50 Shades of grayish yes mean aown man you on a grown man’s lab but naked and he you know there it’s too much erotic stuff going on for it to be a Christian organization now me I admire a lot I admire a lot of couple of my exes were

Fraternity I admire a lot of them are successful I admire lot my swe sister very successful women so I admire them as in kind know they were just put in just like I was putting in they were gas lit too they were told something was not true they don’t know the origins either

So I thought I’m not mad at them I’m not judging them because for 19 years I thought one thing that was true and found out it wasn’t like Oh you mean to tell me I didn’t so I I’m not mad at them for not like you said people being

People who are you said last week people who were W didn’t know they were asleep I’m not mad at you for not knowing you were asleep because we was we thought we was dreaming we didn’t know until we woke up like so if it took me 19 years

And I knew even in my first initiation at the altar I couldn’t even say the words if it took me 19 years to leave how can I F somebody else who took them 18 years 17 years 22 years and they don’t even know what God has shown me he

Show know he shown me be the man the man’s testimony I heard um he was saying God first told him you got to leave masonry said you got to leave masonry he didn’t even mention Omega yet I think he mention Omega maybe three four years later so God but the man on

His own say if he talking about masonry Omega do something the same that rituals and stuff as masonry so so guy didn’t touch he didn’t touch Omega yet he touched masonry then three or four years he mentioned Omega then the man’s wife had joined Delta so he told y he told

Wife she got to leave too then there were some Jack and Jill organizations like you know like the upper black people they then God told them you got to leave Jack and Jill too so it was like it was levels to how he made them leave the whole process yeah so you know

You know it kind of makes me uh feel like uh did you make the uh service Saturday yeah I did I did so I I was able to stay yeah I I for about 45 minutes okay yeah so I I left right after the G crew sat

Down yeah and and I I didn’t know what that like I heard that like I’m like the hell is the G crew like GW yeah so um but we were talking about this off camera um and if you remember I believe it was Miss Glenda who was uh telling

The story and when I when I was when I was actually talking about past that’s what made me think about Pastor King cuz I was sitting up there looking at him and I was going I was going to shoot him a text I’m like no we in the service I

Ain’t going to text him right now but I was going to mess with him and be like yeah cuz you know he was see I was going I was going to text him and be like I ain’t never realized how black you was until like cuz now pastor King pastor

King was my but pastor King like we that’s my guy so I was going to mess like I a never realize how black he was until this moment yeah but uh cuzz I’m like boy you shining down there but he was definitely black on black oh yeah

But no I love past King but she was telling the story about how was about the condiments yeah they they went to a restaurant and so you know how they put the condiments on the table the ketchup the mustard the hot sauce or whatever and so one of the ladies started putting

The condiments in her purse so she was like you can’t do that that’s stealing and she was like well they put it on the table for us she was like well that’s for you to use here not for you to take home she was like well

No you know they charged us this like no no that that’s for us to take and so a couple of them was weighing in and so you had some that was like well you know it ain’t that big a deal you had some that was like yeah she right they offer

Us then you had something that was like no you you stealing so they got um and again rest in heaven Minister Lynch um they they got Minister Lynch to kind of be the mediator like you know they told her the whole thing what do you think

And she said until that person sees it for themselves you’re arguing in vain M and so I could be telling you so like to that point God told no you just do this here but he had to see the other thing for himself you you know what I’m saying but

In order for you to get to that point I got to get you here first and I believe when we were talking off camera we were talking about what gets you to repentance and I don’t believe you can become truly repentant until you come to

A sense of oh my god what have I done I can’t do this again again when it’s just like oh I sin that’s going to leave you’ll be smoking crack tomorrow yeah you know what I’m like or whatever it was that you you’ll be stealing yeah you

Know next week you know what I’m saying them bills get low you’re going to be lying on your time card again you going to be lying on your you going to be claiming somebody kids on the taxes again you know you’re going to be you going to wake up and you don’t even

Remember what the girl’s name was yeah cuz you just yeah and we don’t understand the difference between confession and true repentance and so true repentance requires again going back to what the guy was talking about you actually seeing and understanding what it is yeah that you why why it’s

Damaging why it’s hurtful why you’re in sin and then you can come to that place of yeah okay the gentleman here you know he was talking about God first told him mat then God said so he said what how God show him Omega was he said he was there

Some kind of event he was like you know some omega pastors were there you know you know they were jumping around there was a lot of real filthy you know lyrics whatever going around so so he said God open his eyes and the spirit real yeah

So he said he saw like these demonic spirits on top of the the pastors who in he saw the Spirit on top of me and everything like pastors you know like save men of God and the demons would get on the so and then he he looked around

Like maybe the ones were were dancing had the spirit on the music he turn around man on the sidelines with him and they weren’t dancing and it was the spirit was on so he saw God open his eyes to see the spirit that was on them

It wasn’t just like the it was like a spirit on them it’s like this is the spirit that’s on people in so it’s like man I don’t want I don’t want anything I don’t want anything on me I don’t want a spirit on me I don’t want like I don’t

You know CU sometime you know people have Spirit of lust or Pride or whatever homosexuality whatever you don’t you don’t see it but God open his eyes he was like what he looked around the room like what is that what is that so he was like frighten cuz he didn’t even know it

Was a spirit that could be on people and so his wife she play de so like God opened his eyes just for it like a veil was L For a Moment Like and so and he I guess he shut the veil back down but he knew these people had the spirit on them

Because they play so the the fraternity open up their Spirit to this demonic Spirit you know and so he like even cursed on his like his people he know were getting sick because of it cuz they had join so you know you don’t know what all I’ve heard Mason people in masonry

Say they have like health issues due to masonry but I didn’t I know I first he was Del well swage so you know I just I when I be when I want to I want to be ordained someday but it’s like I don’t want anything between me and the people like I don’t

Want anything contaminating the period between me and the people so like so like if people say oh she play a lot people want to play CU they I play oh you play this I’m the players too write my letter for me and I like I would hate

For young ladies to join and then I left but she kept going on in error yeah because I I put 20 girls on this path they want to be like me 20 girls got on this path because of me I got off the path I’m fine and I’m not saying people

In fraternity St go to hell but this this know this this what this alamaa he was he was kind of like inferring that they went they don’t you can’t be saving me in fraternity SW so like what if I had got 20 if I became a pastor or a

Co-pastor a first lady and 20 women join my sworder because of me they go on to Hell according to the man and I go to heaven but it was cuz I live them a stress so I so I was like I cannot I don’t want to be ordained and I L

Somebody a Str like I I can’t play with soul I don’t play with Souls on no level yeah like what rag was saying about that with um that was saying that the services of min F that you know you can’t people are grown man and I think I told you before

We even started I saw a couple on YouTube denounced it was a husband and wife couple and I think the husband came to that Revelation or that you know that uh that he wanted to do that before the wife and he was talking about the time

That before he was like Lord tell you know he was almost trying to force her in a sense because if I come to it you know I’m the head like you got to you know try to you know you got to come with me you know try to do what I do but

Then he was like the Lord you know showed him it’s like you know she’ll if she comes at during her time you know she’ll do it and it took a while but then the wife came to the same you know um vision and Revelation that the

Husband did on her own you know what I mean so until she saw her era of her ways and how she you know viewed it and her relationship and Faith you know in Jesus and stuff like then that’s when she denounced it and went there not before like you can you can force

Somebody like I’ve heard uh Tim Ross talk about in the podcast like you know if if somebody can you know talk you out of something they can talk you in you know what I mean but until you come into your own personal perspective and you got a personal attachment to it then now

You can make an informed decision and be like okay this is why I made this decision nobody nobody had to coers me to to do this or whatever so anybody that’s like in a you know sort of like they they probably think they probably done turned it off already you know what

I’m saying I’ve watched three women um three de tell they were n i watch I was like they ain’t talking about nothing we don’t worship a nerva I don’t play my little so I heard three women and it it didn’t face me in of course it it kind

Of was in my head a little bit like a little seat in my head I was like I just kind of brush it away so i’ I’ve been where I’ve seen I brush it away for 19 years right and just February 7th this guy had a certain anointing on him and

He was sharing all the different stuff he was seeing and experiencing and then I couldn’t I couldn’t cuz my spirit was like me I always have your spirit open to always have a repentant posture I always be don’t ever be like hardart and stiff necked you know

Stubborn just all be like well let’s see if he’s right or not and I listened for two hours and I I came to the conclusion it wasn’t because the other three DS I watched it was because of I knew three other girls I know personally who renounced personally two from my own

Chapter um and they didn’t really it didn’t phas me it was like something about him and his anointing the way he said it so you know so you cannot like I’m not this in the video not tell me I’m not telling people to leave not tell nobody else to anounce denounce or

Anything I’m understand what my journey was and I know just like that man’s journey test Touched Me Maybe my testimony would touch somebody else correct you know yep so when you were talking about now I was just looking up to see cuz I I actually saw this on a um

A documentary once two different ones actually but I wanted to look up and see what the actual number was but she talked about when the uh pastors was at the party and they were dancing and certain songs were playing so like you remember the group color me bad yeah they had a

Hit single yeah I want to sex you up they want to sex you up yeah so one of the guys from color me bad actually said that when before they did the song they actually were doing incantations um over the song because they wanted to you know have a hit that

Song reached number two on the US Billboards and sold went two times platinum in the United States alone you know it reached all it stayed uh number one I believe in New Zealand you know what I’m saying but like just in different charts and stuff and so

Like they got that hit but like when you hear the song you know what do you think about I don’t think about hop on people they hear that song how many children were conceived to that song yeah I was a big uh Bone Thugs and Harmony fan I love

Them as well yeah you know that even now like certain songs I mean like now like I don’t even really smoke weed and that’s they got all the best weed songs like you can take they do um but they talked about how if you remember like on their old albums like

They used to have like the Ouija board you know on the inside and they talked about like playing with the Ouija board and doing stuff like that yep like Crossroads by itself did 10 million worldwide yep yeah definitely you know the history Crossroad like all music combin you know

What I’m saying and actually again I forget what the blues singer’s name is but crossroads right Robert joh exactly the blues singer he met the devil at the crossroads and he sold his soul to be famous and he ended up like for three years his he said Satan tuned his guitar

From him and when he tuned it for him he became like famous right and he went from just being a mediocre dude to like he had a three-year run and that’s for black you know the South that was and then he just mysteriously died you know

Cuz he was in his 27 and that’s when the 27 Club start everybody start down 27 and all themed their Fame to Robert Johnson you know right exactly and so we was talking about it the other week when we talked about how like Janice Joplin and uh what’s my boy Jimmy Hendrick

Hendrick yeah you know what I’m saying like they was on the drugs and stuff but like um and so I looked it up because they talked about the the Demonic element of it and so to think that to think that you are when you’re in these settings and

This stuff is going on to think that that doesn’t play a factor in it and we can sit up and tap dance around it can tap you’re legit making old pledges and V when I first my first even before I left know 19 years later like even maybe

Like maybe 10 years ago I still said l i rounce all o b places I made to anything other than you know cuz you know the CHR organization you don’t have to make o and pleases and vals you know you know so I so B so you I remember even like m

Talk I remember M on TVM he first got saved he was saying God show him a vision of people dancing to his music off of Cliff to hell that’s what made M Know M went to TBN the C for dollar he said God show him Vision people dancing

To his music and like m music was even that bad it was like it was no ganger it was just like cars closed and H yeah it was play music but it wasn’t like like murder kill gang and you know drugs but he said people are dancing off a cliff

Into H and God showed him this what your music is doing yeah so so I do believe that music can put spirits on people that you know even s fraternity so I’m I’m not saying people I’m not saying nobody who’s in fraternal word can go to

Heaven but um you know I know I know with thisa Omega service I had a s sister who passed away and they asked me to take pictures of Hera she had Omega mea service in the church so we’re doing this Delta ceremony at the end of your

Life and it’s like do I really want to I don’t want to go into nothing this is the end of my life I don’t want to you initiate me to nothing else and nothing sounded too weird and creepy but after you die there’s an Omega mea service where we commend your spirit into

Whatever and it’s like what if I’m committing my spirit into eternity and hell you know yeah so you know so so you know then when you get married have the Del sweetheart son you know have your swey sisters you her first love is DST you’re marrying your husband but you’re

Telling all your swey sister telling you your first love is DST so I don’t I don’t like I just don’t I don’t like all that stuff you know it’s not it’s not biblical right well so so James 5:12 um says but above all my brothers do not swear either by heaven or by

Earth or by any other other oath but let your yes be yes and your no be no so that you may not fall on the condemnation um that’s this another passage of yeah in uh I believe it’s in Galatians but it says but I tell you do

Not swear an oath at all either by heaven for it is God’s Throne or by Earth for it is his foot stol or by Jerusalem for it is the city of the great king and do not swear by your head for you cannot even make one hair white

Or black so so what Christian organiz or Judea Christian organization ever say I was literally kneeling before an altar I had to kneel down and all white before an altar with a v o in front of me and had to read that lab like what part of you know it’s just not Christian

It’s you know so it’s it’s something else to it I I think I say it could be masonry it could be like a like leading two M like we pretend it’s Christian organization but like you know it’s like a it’s a guy like it’s a like you think

It is and you sit in there it’s like wait a minute this don’t feel Christ like to me so I feel like I feel I was tricked initially so I feel like like I said like I was saying before you all started laughing if you you married was

The same gender I’m not going to say in marriage I’m annoing this I’m getting that as soon as possible I don’t feel no loyalty to you you trick me so I feel like I feel like my loyalties are like that that was like I no loyalty anything that’s satanic or possibly satanic mean

But you could marry a woman you could marry somebody that you thought was a man and then you find out on y’all honeymoon that everything ain’t working like it’s it’s over it’s no question you know I’m saying right but like you can come back from that

Who could no that’s what I’m saying cuz they always say like oh women all of y’all are little gay you know what I’m saying like yeah they say that about y’all you know saying like y’all can smack each other on the butt talk about I’m strictly no no what I’m what I’m

Saying what I’m saying is though even if you weren’t you can come back from nobody’s going down it’s no world that exists where you can be like hey bro man my wife a whole man like it’s not like we may not in 2024 cuz we’re woke and we’re pandering

Oh JB it’s going to be okay brother pray me pray with me brother but like behind closed door hey man like BR you know what I’m saying like so technically when you was going down or you was really sucking like that’s the conversations that we’re having amongst each other yeah you know what

I’m saying if we love him we’ll do it in his face you know saying I mean we still might do it behind his back if we love him because we don’t want to hurt but just in the different situations like it’s no world that exists

Where we can do that same thing and I know you was just kind of making a reference to that but I just wanted to point out and that’s why I had given my disclaimer earlier because as much as we like to think we woke like we we can’t we we still would

Look at a dude if he like man you know what that was a whole man I thought it was a girl like as woke as we are we still going to look at him like why yeah you know and I feel like that’s that go

Look at me he like Miss n miss you know you were doing o pledges vs pleas all little p and happiness hazing girls cussing girls out you thought you didn’t think to you didn’t think maybe this ain’t right like I feel like I can’t deceive myself like I can’t I can’t be

The Lulu B like that I I know better I know what I experienc what I’ve seen what I’ve heard I heard enough testimonies for me to continue on as if I know nothing just for some potential benefits you know you know so I just want to make sure I I publicly anounced

And denounced I know that officially you know God knows that I know I said you know I still call my because you know guess I know it’s a call I know it’s a calling but you know if you marri somebody it’s your ex it’s ex-husband ex-husband U so they’re there so I

Because I I honor the women I love the women who were in I love I honor men and women who were in their SW fraternities but I feel like they all were kind of a little deceived I think everyone kind of thought like some say do Chris

Organization if you told me this is a podcast and trying to be orgy like wait a minute this is you know like if you trick me I don’t have to always devolves back into that I’m was saying if I feel like if somebody tricked me like roally

Tricked me I don’t have to stay yeah I can leave like this ain’t what this I’m not even G to piggy back on that one I’m sorry I use that example I’m just saying I’m saying but if someone I can’t do nothing with that it is after

Midnight no so no so like so now you so now you’re in this position so any man who would deal with you is like okay I used to be a part of this organization I was here semi-related but seg when especially because you brought the whole

Trick thing up and orgy thing up could you what what if you met a guy he wasn’t in an organization but what if you met a guy and he was everything that you wanted but he was like it was a period in my life where I used to be at one point I

Was a homosexual could you i’ I’ve um I’ve dated men who I knew very likely had a history and that did you know for sure though I I probably bet theiry not my money I probably bet their money I bet their money you probably had you still

Dated them yeah because it’s a long story Co it’s a long story coic is a long story in coic a lot of men you know D and Dabble D and Dabble you know some some is very femin some very feminine you know I some guys who people after after you broke

Up ain’t going to say no names or no dates but I there some men who as me woke up people said thought he thought he were gay so they would never they never told me they were but I I may have seen the news article I might have heard

Wow dang I a news I might have sent a text message it’s like last week we was talking about they asked you to stick a finger and you realize when they asked for the finger you were like oh yeah you know know some who who’ been in prison before

Some men have been molested raped I feel like I feel I don’t like I feel like if you if it’s your past you know I feel like I can like you know I believe people I believe like Christ can redeem anybody save anybody from drugs alcohol

So I believe I can save anybody not the response I but I had to make sure that you don’t ever be in them C I think that you had at least a 10 20 years span of no have y’all ever watched the show of insecure I watched a couple episodes I

Have before okay so I I watched it all the only reason I didn’t watch the last episode cuz I knew how it was going to end and it just I was so not for that ending so I just I stopped on like episode n like I ain’t even going to

Watch it cuz it’s they going to make it a happy ending when ain’t supposed to be that but the reason why I asked that it was a character on there and so she was it was the main character’s best friend so she was dating this guy

He was everything and so she was making a joke and she was like oh you know I I experimented in college and he he’s like oh it’s okay you know me too and so she didn’t ask for clarification on it um and so she just automatically assumed that like oh this

Guy used to be you know and that that affected their Rel like and she dumped him and everything like that and so she runs into him a couple of years later she see him with this dude that she’s like oh M you would have me she’s like

Oh this is my big brother like oh that’s your brother brother so she was ashamed and she saw that both of them was there with some nice looking women and so he was like you know you you kind of checked out on me because you thought of

My past and he said what happened was he said I had too much to drink one night he said I was in my room and he said when I came to going back to again y’all have to see the other episode but it was like a roommate or something like that

But he’s like he tried him he said he woke up and the guy was down there you know what I’m saying giving them the business giv giving them face take that said like I can’t he’s like I didn’t like it he’s like that that wasn’t what

I was on he said that was the only time that happened you he’s like I had to stop the guy like hey look this ain’t I don’t know what you think this is this ain’t that he was like but I was just alluding to the fact that in college

Stuff happens that wouldn’t happen in a normal setting but you assume that I was somebody who was previously and so when you talked about being raped or molested that’s a different thing than me willfully going out hunting looking for yeah you know or or being prey you know

What I’m saying like I’m like the deer like oh let me just like the lions look like they’re not hungry I’m going to eat over here like that’s different than you being in a position where you were taking advantage of well but also I’ve known me I used work for youth Villers I

Know people that because that CU that gate was door was open to them they kind of like got they had out of Confusion And so took to W so I think why to get out of there you know if you were less by your dad from Age 3 to 13 you know

You going to have some struggles some life so I feel like I I have Grace for people long as I know that you’re not in it anymore and it’s been like 10 20 years of no crossover no more I would consider it what if it’s been two

Years 20 102 a long time look I was about to say 10 20 weeks it got to be some time you know and again like I said I would not like it I would not it would not be my deal but if if I if I feel like I’m in love

With this person we’re Eng and he said I’m let you know this right now I had to ask a lot of questions to make sure people can’t some risk like you know HIV and like that so I don’t want to be put okay but you say engag that means you’re

Already invested like so yeah you can when you get in love with somebody you’ll make a dumbass decision you’re not going to think logically because you’re emotional you know what I’m saying like and I I don’t know if you’ve ever made an emotional decision like mine was

I stayed in a situation and and like we we talked about this in in between season one and season two I believe but like I stayed in the situation cuz I was being the emotion was I’m still living 10 years ago thinking that it’s going to be that you

Know what I’m saying and so that was my emotional decision but when it came to a point of now I got to use logic I don’t care how I feel about you like you trying to kill me I got to go M you know what I’m saying like you trying to mess

My whole life up I’m out it ain’t that much love in the world but like now being engaged means you’re already emotionally invested I mean like you meet a guy y’all go out on some dates you’re vibing you know what I’m saying you’re deciding like I’m on the

Porch right now I think I’m going to go back inside I don’t want to be outside no more but you’re not engaged but then he tells you cuz y’all are getting serious are you now because you talked about being in a state of when you’re in certain Ministries or whatever you kind

Of get you be around people or whatever but like okay you’re not there now so like now you meet a guy three months in you don’t really know if that’s hus Bay or whatever y’all just feeling each other but then he tells you hey this is

Getting serious look you know I had a period of one two 15 years where I was doing the Elephant Walk and you know but like like I said like I If it was a winter incident if you had like a like a boyfriend y’all had 20 year

Relationship each other like I said I I I did oh no like he can show you a whole photo real like he got he got real relationships and you you the girlfriend N I can’t he was the top man the bottom no I can’t hand no um power

Bottom I don’t even know what that is power bottle I don’t even know what that is what they T J they said T J was a power bottle oh my God oh stop it that’s what they that’s what the first thing they said was he a par Bott man if I

Like but now let me didn’t we say in season one and I told you I wasn’t vibing with him and my other boy who always smiling no he he like he reminds me at a joker when I see him like every time I see him I think why so serious you know

Who I’m talking about the one who didn’t let the people in the uh Church during the hurricane like I like I just get like if you put the paint on his face I’m getting like I feel like we going to say when you introduce me can you call me

Joker like I feel like this man let me find out he was at one of them parties yeah now with you being you and I appreciate you sharing it with us you coming on and doing everything because I know you know that can be challenging it can be challenging

It can be intimidating you know because like we talked off camera like you know a lot of people whether they say it or not are going to feel a certain way about it or feel that even though you’ve reiterated and said I’m not trying to attack anybody I’m not trying to say

That you have to do that they’re going to take it as an attack on them even though we’ve said like it’s not personal this is just where I’m at is personal for me correct but it’s not and remember she said she might have to hide out she

Said let us let me know when you posting yeah yeah yeah so and and and that’s tough but also now I think man and like I said we we got you back and we’ve we talked about this extensively off camera on you know and the episode we did with

MK you know what I mean so it’s like you have a lot of support but this is like one of those things where people will come up to you behind closed doors and be like girl I I’m with you or I feel the same way too how did you leave can I

Leave too yeah but they’re not going to come out necessarily publicly because they don’t want that necessarily backlash you know I mean like people whatever somebody may do is like they’ll come back like dang why can’t you tell me in public you know and then but they’ll come back behind closes W be

Like girl like I’m with you I get that so you may get some of that but and I know like one of our guys you know definitely I know you call him you know big homie OG you was just recently at his birthday at his birthday

Party like he is definitely for sure a mentor to me like if not like outside of my dad yeah you know what I’m saying like for for me you know of course you know past M but then J M J he is right cuz he was

Somebody who I who was close to me he wasn’t somebody who was like like past like he was close but Pastor mous was like I’m I’m trying to Aspire to get to that you know what I’m saying pastor King was a little closer than Pastor mes

But he still like yeah I’m trying to reach trying to reach it yeah but it was like JM right there yeah J JM was like dude you know he on the corner he like tell you hey man go to the store buy me a bag of you know Fredo get you

Something too like I’m so I’m standing right next listening yeah you know and so um and we bring him up because he a Kappa yeah yeah he he’s a kapper and and I remember we did the the episode with our with our guy mkj who talked about he had did done a

Sermon where he was breaking down some and some of the things that you said um I mean and and and and and J called me like I’m like I didn’t call him recently cuz now he’ll call me back but like just to call me out the blue if he call me out

The blue he either call me and say hey we need to link up yeah or it’s something he need to check me on so I’m like I’m already knowing and he just he went right into it man you good yeah so man yeah I saw the episode like it

Wasn’t no how you like it wasn’t no pleasantries he you good let me get right into it and so but he was speaking from a position of cannot speak for any other organization I can only speak for my organization but even bigger than that I can only speak from my experience within the

Organization um and certain things that he does and does not do and allows and won’t allow and he was even so cuz I think he did grad chapter right and but he’s even so as they saying now standing on business to the point to where like look I he said my

Number one little loyalty is to the Lord M he said so if at any given point in time he said if if I get the Revelation tonight he said if we hang up the phone and the Lord tell me to get out he said

I’m out yeah and he was like he said man how often do you see me out and he said man you don’t see me wearing my stuff out in the street you know what I’m saying when I’m going on my he said you might see it when I’m at an event or

Something he’s like right but you don’t see me like I ain’t throwing like this ain’t no gang thing with me yeah yeah so and I brought that up to say what do you say cuz you’re going to have some people who that is where they are yeah

And what would you say to that aspect because obviously your walk I’m not going to say it’s different but it’s Unique to your own you know personal revelation experience like what do you say to the people cuz it’s going to be some people who will try to justify it for everybody

Based on their own personal experience yeah I would say you know like like I said I would say first I was where you were just two months ago and I was where you were 18 years ago 17 I went down one year ago so I was first first I was say

I totally understand how you feel what you me I totally understand I was in it half of my life like half my life was in Delta half my life was not in Delta you know so I tell I told understand what you mean I understand everything um I

Wouldn’t even just try to use like scripture to like justify I would just you know just I would just ask them your experience in this organization hasn’t been 100% Christian and that should be that like that should be your answer if it was if it was all

Christian then but if you know your experience was you get beat up Haze homorotic hazing techniques hiding underhanded pling all your peace and happiness you know cuz you doing it for turn day you do c and now you sleeping all these women you nor would sleep with

Because you was in D you start fighting girls you never was a fighter now you fighting all the AKA and got hatred in your heart like this organization brought you closer to God or further from God that’s only for them to decide you I cannot say for every single person

On Earth you join you got further from God only they can say that and I think that if they’re really honest with themselves like your was saying if God told him that day you to have your heart posture God told me today like he told

Me that day I I wrote I was at word right in my letter in my desk I knew that day he didn’t tell me three months before four months if he did I wasn’t I was ignoring him so I was say like I’m not judging anybody cuz it took me 19

Years I cannot judge anybody who was who was 18 years in the game or 19 years cuz I have to at least give you the grace that I got I got at least give you 19 years to get out correct right you know that’s your pretty much your whole adult

Life though yeah from 19 to 30 so I so I would I think I have a great I know how hard I Know M me telling my S sister then my big sister her s sister and then you know like I’m I’m in a do T program

So one so like in my progr we got one alpha two AKs and two delas so you know you know like every time we at the end semester we do like the little sign we put our sign together and everything it’s like I can’t do the sign with them

This July so the going to be alone she going to feeling like and then she be feeling like why mine leaving the AK is May looking at her like they left so obviously y’all wrong you know I’m thinking all this stuff like in my head so so about 20 year anniversary I could

Have been there and you know going to their weddings and going back to homecoming I can’t go to homecoming I can’t throw up the Delta you know so I feel like I’m thinking all I know it’s a lot that you have to lose and sacrifice right but that’s the kind of person I

Just like anything for God even I was the chap I said I’m going ha these girls I don’t care who mad at me all all the girls are mad at me my was mad at me my sister mad at me oh you think you better you think you better you think you cuz

You Christian like I was fine so I’m fine to give up anything I give anything for God family friends anything so I’m just kind of I’m just kind of I’m like God all with God took me 19 years though I I totally understand if somebody writes this video

And they’re like so you saying I can’t go to heaven and be a delta or be a alpha or be a Kappa I’m not going to say that that’s what the man said the man who I was watching he say it’s a spirit it’s like a demonic Spirit on you and

Demonic Spirit you can’t I guess you can’t go to heaven with the Demonic Spirit like still on you I don’t know if it’s true or not HEB was speaking also unique I think to him personally correct yeah and where he was at yeah he was saying God God removed the veil it was

It was it was like a like a mega scholarship something like that so God remov the veil temporarily he saw the demons on the people so this is what he saw for omegas you know what I’m saying so he’s only speaking on what and I didn’t even mention Omega god mentioned

Masonry then Omega and there was like three years after he mentioned masonry then after that he mentioned Jack and G I’m like Jack and G that’s like a that’s like the bougie black people for like that’s like that’s all the Bouie kids Jack and J I’m like Jack and Jill is

Innocent God told him you can’t be kiding Jack and J so like I think God revealed stuff for you ACC according to your ability to handle it correct he knows like if I tell me everything right now they’ll just walk away from the whole face so I think God reveals things

To you over time according to your ability to obey I don’t think God gives you everything like give all this stuff or you go to hell I don’t think this how gu move I think he moves us like I’mma show her this you know you wake up with

A person he don’t tell you break up with them today he’ll show you list up over time like I can’t be with this person it’s too much going on I mean like if you look at again the father of our faith is we say Abraham is like father

Of our faith right mhm so when he told Abraham like it wasn’t no stair stepping yep he immediately told him right get out of here get away from everybody you know come somewhere where I’mma show you you got to trust me and then kill your son but but check this out

Though do you like we miss we don’t understand the land where Abraham was at if you do research on that that used to worship the god Molech one of the things that they did in worshiping the god Molech is they would sacrifice their children right and so now God told him

I’m going to take you away from everything it’s nothing like what you grew up in your daddy’s house M but he trusted him so much it’s like okay you asking me to do the same thing that they did with mole so now when we’re when we’re studying we got to understand and

Really get but what God was showing them is I’ll never ask you to do that I’ll I’ll never ask you to to do that because that is evil MH y i i but I do want you to trust me to the point to where if it seems like it’s crazy you’re

Going with me all the way but I’ll never have you sacrifice your child for me mhm as a matter of fact when you get up there I already got I already got a sacrifice prepared for you and think about how crazy this is like Rams are used to being in the wild

They be around bushes they can scale mountains and he messed around and got caught in some bushes that don’t even make sense that’s being like J B not being able to hit a tennis ball that that’s like me you put a beat on and I’m sitting up here like I don’t

Even know what I’mma write that’s like you not being an like that don’t even make sense but I brought that up alluded to that because with Abraham or at the time it wasn’t a sometimes I will say no go sometime it’s gradually sometime it’s like Li Don’t Look Back turn P off get

Out right now don’t look back let’s go don’t put your hands and you not fit yeah he was mentioning before before we even started he was saying something about he seen people in fraternity swers who are Christian but they defend the fern SW more native in Christ like I see

On Facebook I would never once hear them say Jesus Christ is the only way repent I’ve never he say that but if they say at their SW of fraternity they go all in like like the son I pleas all my love and peace and happiness I’m going give

It to fill in say fraternity for I feel like so I feel like you kind of like you can no man can serve two masters so if you you love one hate the other so if you CU all pie in happiness to Alpha Omega Delta ioda Zeta kaao it’s like you

Cannot you cannot start too mad you you’re not going to just like one and love the other you’re going to actually hate one you’re going to despise one and love the other so like so when I say hey you can’t be a Christian and be a Delta

Who do you jump to the fend first yeah everybody know right you jump you jump to your you defended your god well I’ve seen you say something about this though like the way people do Drake or the way people do LeBron or the way people do Jordan Beyonce in some cases Kanye

Rihanna Taylor Swift you defend you defend you defend your master you you defend your God but when it comes to a scripture yeah I’m going stay out of that we know interpretation we know I don’t get into religion but they would but will go a whole thread on Drake who even know know

They exist would spit on them if they was on fire but Jesus died for you you wouldn’t say work so I feel like the fact that if I said you can’t be a Christian and Beyonce fan I can be a Beyonce fan that’s your that’s your Allegiance that’s your loyalty so when

People say Delta and and God I know I’mma jump to well I mean if God says it I got to I jump to his not saying God needs defending but I don’t run to I used to run to the F Del now I’m like well if you if you Christian it should

Be no problem if they’re both Christian it should be nothing ARG about I have no argument see I I just think a lot of people get too infatuated CU I know people that are cu’s or Alphas or whatever and so now a dude that ain’t never met Shaquille O’Neal before you

Know what I mean with they Cube oh that’s my that’s my FR my hey you don’t know you you know I’m saying I mean like and be talking about man no frat big frat my frat like you know what I mean but but it’s like on just like you were

Saying let’s say but let’s say he’s a believer that he we are brothers in the faith you know you don’t be like hey hey sha that’s my bro you know what I’m saying or Denzel hey that’s my brother that’s my brother in the Lord you know

What I mean like we don’t that’s not strong enough don’t seem like you know but but he if he’s within a frat or in a sorority it’s like oh that’s my that’s my Sor calaa my vice president is AKA but like you she was spit on you if he was on

Fire but Jesus died for you you even G on Facebook you Qui you you me people comment section defending Jesus in comment section but you a whole Beyonce three defending in the Beehive but you don’t have none of that passion so it shows me who your God is not saying God needs

Defense you know if you only if all your your last 20 tweets or text me they’re all defending Beyonce or Drake or Lebron Lebron is the greatest of all time LeBron is the greatest you holler and screaming and B popping after your neck yeah but you ain’t got no P for Jesus

Well we know every man for you know some you believe in Jesus that’s fine that shows me who your God is well and I’m not even saying you need to be outspoken about it per se as much as it is cuz these other conversations come up where people will question the faith or

Question things and it’s always the same unanimously across the board oh it don’t take all that I’m going sit this one out I ain’t going to argue about that y man that all that that’s Old Testament oh that’s you you need to read the whole B like that’s

What you’re getting it’s never a you know what let me do my due diligence and look this up or you know what if that is what the Lord is convicting you to do and or not convicting you but if that’s where your heart is and your heart is

Intent on serving the lord man I’m with you even though cuz Paul said like look I can eat whatever I want but if I know he going to feel the type of way if that meat was sacrificed I won’t eat meat when I’m around him you because my

Brother to stumble you know what I’m saying never come have he’ll never I’ll never be around him and break out of state yeah you know what I’m saying but like a lot of people don’t take that you know mentality you know that thought process it’s just

Always the way I see it or well that’s you and like how you was talking about you’ll never hear somebody say oh cuz you’re a Christian that’s my brother like we we grew up watching wrestling you know what do Hulk Hogan always say let me tell you something brother

Brother right so he he actually if you look up there’s a wrestler named the Superstar Billy Graham yeah he actually stole his whole stick from Billy Graham the from the hair everything right Billy Graham A lot of people didn’t know was actually a devout Christian so he got

His name Superstar Billy Graham from the preacher that was actually why he he got the name Billy Graham because he would go to a lot of Billy Grahams meetings and so they would always say brother to each other mhm so when he would do a lot of his promos he was saying brother

Because it was actually when I saw you and we’re both brothers in Christ oh what’s up brother like so that was why but then Hogan took it and is just saying it not even knowing that the guy who originally was doing it that was where he got it from but I just thought

That was interesting how you said we see somebody never met never talked to never daed up hands see and you going to defend them or you see you know you see Oprah oh that’s soroy that’s big that’s big sis you know what I’m saying that jry oh that’s big frat that’s frat right

There that that’s Aunt yeah but then you can see somebody that’s a you know a elder or somebody that’s doing a lot of work or even Denzel that’s a good point we know Denzel is is believe what we believe and so we you know how many people that’s

Big bro yeah you know what I’m saying like saying this hey dog that’s my dog that’s my that’s my brother you know what that’s my brother in the he’s co Samuel Jackson go to church you know so you know so yeah so you know I also the feeder like

Fe people was at somebody church too we know was at a church you know he was church you know like fact that it feeds people like you ask the organizations like yeah if a lot of people I know who like M’s boyfriend he’s a mega you L

Very successful know top 40 under 40 you know you know very successful and so he he told me he’s he’s a Mason too I’m like and I know he got into Mason because of him so now I’m like so now I’m like like 32 32 32 level I don’t know what level he’s

On right now but it’s really 33 level but the third that’s when they show you who’s they show you who is Albert Pike yeah so so I feel like what how can I support organization that funnel Believers into satanic organizations so it almost make you wonder like was that

Always was that always the intention the entire time was it because the guy the guy who I who I teson I heard he said it’s like he said masonry it was like everything’s in the same everything Omega Mason like y the same to me I don’t see the difference so when God

Told him to repent of masonry he repented of Omega also because he knew it was the same thing but then got letter on told him Omega specifically but so I was like even people who were in saying it’s the same thing so I feel like if if masonry is satanic and you

Say the same thing not me saying it but so I feel like like how can be Christian if it opens people up to the satanic right was it so that’s like the whole gas lighting was that the intention the entire time was it always the goal the

Goal was not to say the fraternity know fouryear University the goal was to always get you over here you know to this other thing you know so that’s what so I can say I I I don’t I’m not against organizations groups come together with a name even with a Greek name I don’t

Care about that just be Christian just be Christians who got together who meet who do good for the community I’m not against Christian service organizations but don’t pretend it’s something is not don’t gasl me tell me something is not and it’s really not there like and it’s

Don’t don’t so I don’t like being I don’t like being deceived I feel I was deceived getting into it yeah yeah like we can go on with this conversation continuous cuz it’s a lot well a lot more can be said but you know I think just from yeah we got our

Money’s worth today didn’t oh man definitely you know definitely and but again we appreciate your time we appreciate you you know you coming through and being you know courageous you know to to say what you say cuz we you know being vulnerable to a level

That us as men we will never be because I don’t know how often you watch we talked about this a couple of weeks ago we well I don’t know I can’t speak for JB but I do not believe in open up to women at all it always yeah he said it

He said it does it ISS bad like and then to protect the innocent I’m not going to say times and names yeah but you know like the level and the courage that it takes to get on here whatever your stand is to put yourself out there like that

And let me say this for people who are watching us like she’s not just up here this is bigger than her Pub in a book like she’s putting herself out there she’s giving up literally half of her life to something and to come on and say

That this is where she is knowing that it’s going to be some people that say hey we still rock with you it’s going to be some that say we can’t f with you no more that’s all the be that’s not just dealta it’s people from my office maybe

Like a V like you say not the book the book is only you can get if you’re on Kindle unlimited it’s free I’m not trying to push a book if you’re Kindle that’s not unlimited 3.99 you know so I may trying to push you know like a book is just like just the

Concept of don’t don’t get into things that are tricking you what they’re really not you got to be you know be know what you’re getting into you got to give an account to God one day and you got to give an account and you if you

Knew you were being mislay and you never questioned it you got to give an account to that yeah we just asked that when you go to the next level you know what I’m saying that you don’t forget about the regular the regular [ __ ] who you know

What I’m saying like you know I know might have to go through a agent or something when I first start about telling my about renouncing my first thing came my mind was my y”s podcast the first thing in my mind was like I got to do it through them I just had I

Just knew I had to do it through you all so thank you all for this opportunity to even you know share my you know I don’t know how I would have done it you know no that ain’t no cap cuz I told you when I was I was calling about the other

Topic and the first thing she said to me was like I had been praying and y’all like she was been like I was trying to figure out how to I’m like [ __ ] ain’t nobody number change you couldn’t call me podcast I’m like I just was going to

Just I was going to IM you on Instagram and ask you yeah either either way but we we definitely do appreciate we do not take it for granted and um yeah y’ it’s I I told before we started it was a lot that was said a lot that uh you know

Take it how you want to for those that you know got to offend it if you’re still watching and you got offend it we appreciate it you know what I’m saying so we know that’s uh you know can be kind of rare and like share and subscribe but he didn’t say this earlier

But we’re also on Spotify Google podcast Apple podcast Amazon music iHeart radio and stit Stitcher oh yeah I’d be knowing the list too though he said he know it y’all he said he know it but y’all until next time continue with that executive mindset and most definitely keep it presidential salute Ara mer

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