And we are continuing our coverage of the Idaho for case and today we have four topics we’re going to discuss and these are kind of frequently brought up topics in our comment section and we’ve just grouped them together into some of the things that people have been talking
About the first subject we wanted to discuss is a lot of people are bringing up other evidence and one of the things a lot of people are discussing is the ladder we’re going to start with drip drop and then we’re going to move to t- rev because Drip Drop did some great
Journalism on the ladder and I just want to mention while I’m bringing up crime circus and crime circus cult congratulations to them shout out to their award winning the awards they’ve just gotten from YouTube and so we’re going to bring up the ladds which uh Drip Drop has been discussing now for a
While and then I’m going to bring up something that happened in one of t- rev’s live streams which I think adds to what Drip Drop was saying so let’s start with crime circus let’s do a zoom we have a ladder right here this is propped up against the vinyl signing of
The house some very observant online [ __ ] noticed this from the early days of the investigation and I’ve been keeping a close eye on this ladder as well it’s time we discuss the ladder as we zoom in you can see some concerning things here crime scene tape is tied directly
To it well that’s zanna’s bedroom right there okay look at this the ladder is down there to the lower right and that ladder leads right up to that ledge as I showed you in the previous photos what do we see right here it looks like potential Footprints and I
See red and when I see red I think of b l o o d just like on the other side of zanna’s bedroom you could see the b o o d so we’ve been told the perpetrator bypassed the front door and the first floor Al together so one
Might think that the perpetrator used a ladder to get to the second floor if the backsliding glass door was locked yeah you can see in this image right here the windows are all boarded up and the grass is green the snow’s gone so this is a more recent photo this
Is after the crime and we still see the ladder there we still see the yellow police tape tied to it they never took the ladder they never processed the ladder did they even the ladder for fingerprints or DNA I can’t find a single picture of anybody treating that
Ladder like its potential evidence that ladder leads right up to zanna’s bedroom and there’s something suspicious that happened in front of Zan’s bedroom window yeah the perpetrator allegedly simply walked in through the back sliding glass door well maybe it wasn’t that easy maybe they actually had their
Glass sliding door locked maybe it was difficult for the perpetrator to get in maybe they had to climb that ladder just guessing of course this is a guessing show so Gia any quick thoughts um on what he just said before I move on to our uh t- rev
Rebuttal or any thoughts on the ladder or outdoor EV well I think you know with the way he’s showing the photographs from the the crime scene till that just the one that they just showed clearly the ladder hasn’t been moved so I think that’s really important to say they
Never took the ladder and processed it unless they processed it on the scene but that doesn’t make sense because everything else they took to process in the labs and stuff so I think what he is saying is we’re assuming that whoever it was went in through the second floor sliding door which is
Ground level in the back right and but he’s saying what if that was locked and that wasn’t an access point then the ladder could be an access point and there’s evidence kind of to show and just what he’s on covered is that the ladder was propped up exactly
Um where it would be if someone was trying to get up to zanna’s bedroom window and that there were what appeared to be footprints underneath her window with some bod D um so I don’t know I think he has a really good point so yeah let’s see the
Rebuttal and now yeah no I was just saying he made a good point that if the slider was locked in the back which kind of makes the most sense that someone entered the second level which in the back is actually the ground level but when you enter you’re on the second
Floor of the house so I think that there was a lot of assumption that that’s how um whoever it was got access to the house but he’s saying we if we assume that that slider was locked then that makes perfect sense the way the ladder was propped and how
There were Footprints outside the window and um some some red in the snow there that that it’s very plausible that whoever it was entered through zanna’s bedroom window and you know we’ll know more when um they they said that once the trial gets underway one of the things they’re going to present is
Exactly who was made on a live first second third and fourth because right now everybody’s assuming it was um Maddie and Kaylee who were the were the one of them was the Target and they assume that’s where the first um um crimes took place but what if it
Wasn’t what if Zanna and nem were killed first right so and then I was saying it’ll be interesting to hear the rebuttal that you were going to show next the one thing that I would say is I think that like intuitively Drip Drop was picking up on something maybe they
Didn’t leave their slider unlocked maybe there was another entry point and so I was watching some live streams this week and tev 757 and he does a lot of live streams and he had a live stream up and I was so captivated by it I actually did
A screen record I’m G to show that to you now but he it’s not that he’s rebutting what Drip Drop is saying he’s just giving another theory that kind of Builds on the idea that crime circus was was giving And here we go she like big let’s so like big dirty said and that’s a fact we’ve watched this video on my channel multiple times I’ve downloaded it’s a it’s like a November 15th Idaho Tribune video so old like two days right after and it could have been recorded the night of November
14th but like big dirty said they were definitely swabbing something here so yeah good point good point bro good point go back into the home and gather documentation as they construct visual Regina says in hold up in in through living room window out the back door
That is kind of what you were talking about the last live right you said that the FBI was climbing through that top window which would be the bathroom window so you’re saying you’d have to climb up and go around the front way to climb through that bathroom window and go into where Maddie
Was but at some point he had to make it downstairs if you’re coming face to face with you know or you know Dylan sees you in general you had to come downstairs in her viewpoint that’s why I think this house and not you know the house not being demolished is a big
Deal let me present you exhibit okay it’s just interesting how we have another um we have another take on this again the FBI is if you did if for just a uh just to kind of recap on what was going on in the video the FBI was obviously testing other entrances and
Other areas and doing other swabs and it could be that they entered through another area but this is another idea just building on what Drip Drop is saying so any thoughts to you no but I think that’s valid as well I mean I think that that does show that
They were swabbing so let’s go back to putting BK on the scene did you have anything you wanted to start out with for this subject or talk to us about for the subject no not that because I think we’ve already covered it before is that the things that that they say place them
At the scene are the um cameras that they collected footage from all along the way that was looking at the white Elantra that they’re assuming was bks right and then overlaying that with the cell phone tower pings and you know so I think there’s a lot of educated circumstantial evidence that they’re
Finding that makes it look quite good that he’s a suspect you know that’s not to say I I still think there’s a lot of room for other suspects and um like it almost feels like every day I’m I’m feeling like I’m finding more evidence that that it that there could be other
Suspects not just BK that I think need to be looked into well that’s a great segue into our next subject which is other suspects let me show you guys this I think this is interesting again I’m making all of this up I am not an expert and so we’re pulling this video up
Photograph taken from Sigma Kai and it shows two Sigma Kai allegedly two Sigma Kai Brothers With A Kar knife and this happened prior to the sign right down the street from the King Road property and happened prior to the crime so one of the things that bothered me
About this photo is even reporting on it I couldn’t Source it I even I I’ve heard where its Origins are from but they I can’t even verify those and so I decided to just take a look at the weapon itself and we learned a couple of things from
Our last live stream I want to recap on each of these clips is only about 10 seconds but I’m going to play you three things in a row just to remind you of few facts about the unal living weapon first we have Steve first we have Steve and we’re just going to listen
Really quickly what he said about the injuries dead her father Steve desperate for answers and pleading with authorities to find the person and the weapon responsible it’s a brutal weapon it sounds like it was a professional type weapon that couldn’t break and or they weren’t stab wounds you know they were like large
Punctures okay there’s another video by Southern law see the knives you yes yeah okay so do some other kinds of survival knives and other types of knives sometimes K bars have them sometimes they don’t what is distinctive about A Kar in military okay so what he just said just a recap
On that is sometimes these K bars come with serration and sometimes they don’t and then lastly we have this my only source for this information which is crime circus told you it’s a big knife okay let’s zoom in closer and take an even better look specifically It’s A
Kar okay so we’re gonna stop there so the reason why I am trying to emphatically tell you that this is my I’m making this up is because I don’t know if any of this is true but here’s the thing is if we look at this kbar it
Could probably not have been the weapon that did these unal livings because this Kar has no serration and if we’re going to go by what the father Steve said about the wounds and we’re going to go by the fact that some sometimes they have sometimes they don’t we know that
If it were to leave what was described by the father it couldn’t have probably been this knife it wouldn’t have been described when we a puncture yeah that two inches three inches I for that reason so any thoughts on that my only thought was he said he said
They were not stab wounds they were puncture wounds so I think of a stab wound as a slice like that’d be elongated a puncture I think of like you’re punching something out like a a circle hole like a puncture wound not a slice so I don’t
Know maybe the dad knew that from the initial autopsy saying he literally said they were not stab wounds so if it was a Kar they would be stab wounds and they would look more like a slice they would be elongated he said the wounds were more like a puncture
Which a puncture would be more and this is for example an ice pick an apple cor uh you know something that’s gonna like almost like a hole punch right so that’s going to look very different and I think he must have said this prior to the gag order so it
Sounded like he knew what kind of wounds that she had and that they were not knife they were not stab wounds and so it was the kar they would have clearly been stab wounds and maybe he’s not an expert but I’m thinking he had to have gotten that from
Somewhere yeah I I think he got it from the autopsy results from the corner before the gag order right yeah and the thing is we because the sheath was found and there was DNA on the snap that was subsequently traced back to Brian coburger I I think the assumption is
That the murder weapon was a c we don’t really know that nobody’s come out and said that we just know that there was evidence of the sheath that was left behind so that doesn’t gel with what Steve’s saying that the wounds are not consistent with what A Kar would be even
Though he didn’t use those exact words he said they were not stab wounds yeah and that’s the only kind of wound A Kar is going to give so um maybe he has misinformation we don’t know but um if what he’s saying is correct then I think the that the allows the
Possibility of a different murder weapon Than A Kar yeah I’ve always thought it’d be hard to do all of this with one knife because I thought it would be dull by the the end it doesn’t really make sense particularly from what I understand from the kar it’s one of those knives that
Goes dull very dull very quickly it has it can break it can break too and break it and people who own them have to resharpen them a lot when they use them the um so like I don’t know you know I don’t know exactly like you said it’s
Very ambiguous about how he described that it’s not very clear but it sounded like to me he was trying to say they were just much larger than what you would expect by a single Stab Wound so the when a if Kar is the weapon then the
Backs side of it has a serration that causes a larger wound as it leaves the body so that’s all I was thinking is that if we’re to say that that Sigma Kai photo is the kar knife that particular knife isn’t the right type of kar they’re talking about and then the other thing
About the murder weapon um I was watching a forensic CSI expert on drunk turkey and he said that ins inside of the the wounds one of the forensic analysis they can do is um they they will definitely find from what he said metal fragments inside of the bodies
Even if the knife doesn’t break off there’s always going to be some sort of metal fragment and with the you’re right and so with the metal fragment they get this thumb print of the actual weapon and they can possibly tell what bat from what year it was made what location they came
It’s possible anyway right and that’s why warrants were issued to find the um Amazon search results for BK later on could it be that maybe they got some of this forensic Al analysis on and said okay this is a Kar it came from this batch let’s see if he even searched
For the batch or you know so um yeah those are thoughts on the kar anyway yeah no that is good those are good thoughts because again we don’t know what we don’t know and all of the speculation is going to be very interesting when it does get to trial
And it is going to be telev we’re going to be able to watch it and we’re going to see the evidence unfold as it unfolds and I think we’re g to have a lot of aha moments when that happens we just know nothing in perspective it’s actually
Gonna be shown so again this is all it’s it’s speculation it’s educated guesses it’s jumping off of where some of these other um well done journalists um Drip Drop and drunk turkey and a lot of the things that they say that are really great food for thought and it’s it’s
Just making us go um what do we think about that so you know we’re not here saying like this is these are all facts these are we’re discussing and we’re kind of putting our opinions out there and um just what do we think what’s what’s occurring to us as as we’re
Listening to some of these other um colleagues discussing this case um and that and so that’s what we’re doing yeah exactly thank you for thank you for that too all right so we had in the issue in the topic of other suspects there there is a laundry list of people
And we did have to narrow it down but I’m talking about some of the people who have frequently been or some of the topics frequently come up in comments um one of the ones I can’t deny is and we’re going to refer to him as HJ
Because he is not a suspect and HJ is the fraternity brother to Ethan and I had heard some reports that Hunter was there the morning that Ethan’s body was discovered and I mistook that for Hunter’s as his brother hising one thing I will say is they all
Are from the same fraternity it wasn’t they are brothers they’re fraternity Brothers and also his brother brother is in Sigma Kai as well right and his and his sister the so I’m going to go to a news Nation clip because I think that when we H we
Have all these questions about the 911 call we have questions about DM and I think what this is going to demonstrate is the chain of events but let’s get news Nation up here again this is Ashley Banfield reporting and reporting um and the news conferences has that’s given us a small picture but
What we haven’t know known is what happened prior to the First Responders arriving on the scene and tonight I can I can tell you um you have heard that the 911 call was made from a surviving roommate’s phone cell phone uh but we can now tell you who it was who made
That call I’m not going to name the person but it was Ethan’s best friend who made the 9 111 call and that’s because it was Ethan’s best friend who made the discovery of Zanna and Ethan’s bodies and that is a very tragic and sad detail to report up until now it had
Been an assumption that there was maybe uh an unconscious person because it was a guess that there was someone behind the door who wasn’t answering a bedroom door now we can tell you that it was Ethan’s best friend who had been called over that morning um and made the Discover
And and took Ethan’s pulse um also called out to get 911 on the phone it is more than likely that the phone that was used to call 911 was surviving roommate Dylan mortonson’s cell phone uh you have probably heard up until now that it’s it was an unconscious person um that the
Dispatch uh said over the radio but that’s not unusual because when there’s confusion um it’s standard protocol according to a article that came out recently in air mail uh standard protocol uh if there’s confusion just to skip the um necessities of getting Clarity and just dispatch the First Responders for a you
Know an unconscious person regardless of what the actual situation is so for anyone getting caught up on an unconscious person uh probably not a good idea given the fact that that’s just sort of a standard uh description for get moving we need people on the location again this is multiple sources
Tonight with knowledge of the investigation telling us about who made the discovery okay I do think this is really important because number one it just kind of displays how everything came together when people start saying that DM or HJ had something to do with it you have to understand
That the way the morning played out they would have to be in cahoots with each other they would also have to be forensic expert it’s too much for me to bite off because the the chain of events that just was just described between HJ and DM just couldn’t have happened
Unless they were if one of them was allegedly involved they both would have to have been involved it doesn’t make any logical sense to me when you hear allegedly how things and again news Nation might not have this is their Source they say they have great sources
You know but I can’t verify what news nation is saying as much as I can can’t verify what Drip Drop is saying I can’t get more credit to Ashley Banfield you know although she may have do you hear what I’m saying do you see yeah so
Anyway any thoughts on uh on on what you just heard G yeah because we don’t know the sources so she’s saying now it was verified that and and in the beginning of the video I couldn’t hear too well but is she’s saying from the sounds of
It that somebody called HJ to come over in the morning and then he came over and he took Ethan’s pulse and he’s the one who called 911 yes okay I I mean I think that’s interesting because he yelled out for someone to call 911 okay but who called
Him to come over that morning that’s what I’m wondering Dylan okay so she had AR probably seen what happened and then called him instead of 911 I guess well okay in that video it goes on to say what wasn’t cleared up was who discovered Maddie and Kaylee so the the
Events seemed to happen that Dylan was unable in the morning when she woke up to open Ethan’s store and then and again I’m paraphrasing everything and then she text Ethan’s best friend to come over and he came and he forced the door open saw the situation took his poll screamed
Out for someone to call 911 whoever got on the phone which we heard wasn’t Dylan maybe it was HJ who got on the phone but whoever got on the phone um um uh they didn’t say there was an unconscious person that part appears to be added by
Dispatch right yeah so that’s that’s one thing I just wanted to bring up I I’m not saying it proves anything either way I’m just saying like this is some more food for thought when we start trying to think about other suspects both news Nation hod London have have also
Reported that the sources say all three triplets were at that party at Sigma Kai that night and so I don’t know Ethan was a sweetheart to Sigma Kai but I know they were all there and just seeing how you know they’re still active with this fraternity honoring their brother
They’re doing gundies they’re doing scholarships it’s working with the family so they haven’t separated themselves or distanced themselves from this fraternity at all and I would think that if their siblings had any inclination that there was something something nefarious wasting maai they would have left yeah if you’re an Alum an alumni
Of Sigma Kai and the university and you decide to give money back you’re still going to and and the statistic is that someone who graduates from a fraternity gives 10 times the amount back than just a regular graduate they’re still going to do that there’s still alumni they’re
Still going to make that contribution that statistic would still be accurate um because it’s still accurate even when they get kicked off campuses and they’re on suspension for so long so I I agree with you I don’t I don’t really think there’s a big money Trail there and I
And I don’t think that the Integrity of a university would be to to do anything to derail this investigation or to not Shine the Light if they really thought it was a sigma Kai person that was involved I I don’t think the money would be a deterrent for
Them to take care business and they go after them wouldn’t it be a significant enough amount of money for them yeah when the tuition far ex sees that so I think I think that that’s about all I had for points on the Fraternal before I move on to some of these other players
In the game any else you want to add on fraternities sorties of Greek life right now G I mean just one of the things we’ve pointed out in the past and I and I think this will be significant because even though I don’t believe that anyone from the fraternity was involved in the
Acttion ual on a living of any of these four I do believe that they have information that would be pertinent to the case that they’re not saying and because there’s a huge shroud of secrecy and Brotherhood and fraternities where you know going back to the 1800s where
They put their hands in and they swear to secrecy and you know it’s the Brotherhood first so you know I I think that’s important and I think some of the sigma Kai Brothers are going to be Witnesses during the trial and information’s going to come out and we’ll learn we’ll learn
What they know I think someone saw something you know that Sigma Kai is literally across the street like a Stones Throw um from 1122 Kings Road so you can see you can see the residence right from the front yard because they did a a drip drip drop was showing
Pictures on Instagram a recent pictures of the fraternity and they had a picture of them all out front and you could see it right the king it’s a quick little walk that’s all yeah let’s uh let’s take a look recently this has been going around a lot and in my comments I’ve been
Hearing a lot about different Vehicles two of the vehicles are a Pontiac 300 a white Pontiac 300 and then the other one is a black truck these are both vehicles caught on tape right around the time of the crime and at first we’re going to show um
I’m going to go to chaos sector and then I’m going to these are very brief like 20 second Clips one from chaos sector and then from then like a minute clip from Hoda Hoda London hold on all right here we go with chaos sector those phone calls ended around 3:00 a.m.
And soon after around 3:30 a.m. a black vehicle is circling Queen Road Apartments come on too much suspicious activity going on around the time frame the murders occurred ask yourself this question why was that vehicle circling those apartments this is during an emergency where the housemates are being
Attacked an honest detective would have to investigate that vehicle as well they could possibly be linked to the murders or even The Killers right there was no interest in this vehicle yet we know that Moscow PD had to view that sing surveillance from Linda Lane spotting the alleged coburger vehicle you see the
Problem here hours of examining surveillance and you literally ignore a suspicious vehicle circling around near the crime scene these detectives are okay I’m going to disgrace to their I’m going to stop there and now we’re going to bring up Hoda alondon here we go the black truck that we see driving there
Is allegedly or possibly DM is truck there couldn’t be so many people who have the same unique truck allegedly belongs to a stepmother and that was a 301 why was he driving there was Dylan and bf at home or was one at home on the other one outside they were texting each
Other okay so before I react to any of these things have you seen these videos Gia are you familiar with this Theory that’s been circulating about DM actually being out and about in her truck around the time no that’s the first I saw she’s saying it was Dylan’s Stepmother’s truck that the she
Believes Dylan was driving around and she thinks the two were texting each other um well she was referencing the texting as far as like what we know about them texting each other the crimes I don’t think that there’s anything else corroborating she’s just she’s just bringing up her internet sleuthing that
She’s finding on through other vehicles yeah so let’s just say chaos sector’s footage is accurate I don’t think this still could prove that this was Dylan’s vehicle it might be a vehicle that we need to find other footage on but they they have all the footage at that time
Lindane so Dy you know what not to interrupt you but I am the first video you showed let’s just go back and yeah let’s watch it again okay so if you watch the headlights as I will yeah okay here we go around 3 a.m. and soon after
Around 3:30 a.m. a black vehicle is circling Queen Road Apartments come on too much suspicious activity going on around the time frame the murders occurred ask yourself this question why was that vehicle circling those apartments this is during an emergency where the housemates are being attacked an honest detective would have to
Investigate that vehicle as well they could possibly be linked to the murders or even The Killers right there was no interest in this vehicle yet we know that Moscow PD had to view that sing surveillance from Linda Lane spotting the alleged cober’s vehicle you see the
Problem here I and like you said I can’t really see what I can just see bright headlights I can’t see what kind of car that is I don’t yeah I the only details is this black and I’ve heard it described as a truck or an S all
Right you know I I do think that anybody who was in the area at the time they would do their damnest to figure out who was in this photo to see they had seen what you know what they have to add to the timeline if they were involved just
Back to the one dm thing because and now that I’m watching this again I’m not necessarily sure if if chaos sector was even trying to lead into DM but Hoda London certainly was right want to say back to the DM thing just to finish my thought on that part she she can be
Proven to be in that house I’m pretty sure I mean particularly because her vehicle does have nav in it I mean her Stepmother’s vehicle is equipped and this uh this footage it’s it is fascinating to look at um do yeah any thoughts you want to add to what I just
Said I’m just my mind’s just going like this because I’m thinking um if they have this then the imagine the footage the police have from everywhere all around you know so many people have ring doorbells now and there’s just there’s so much video surveillance that you really can’t get
Away from it so that just tells me there’s there’s probably a lot more footage that we’re not privy to that they can use that they will use to piece together more and and tell their story um the prosecution I think probably has a lot of that already I mean again that’s why
Now the prosecution and the defense can see all of this that they’re sharing but then there’s the gag order and it’s under seal so that we can’t go look it up and it’s redacted from the documents for now for now all right so we have have
One last clip this I think Gio you’re going to find this fascinating it’s an interaction between drunk turkey and truth and transparency and a forensic expert and this is the the topic that we’re on this time is you can see our topics again the IG evidence sketchy all
Right and again this is drunk turkey and the name of the video is two SNP profiles DNA to be thrown out question mark Brian curer I did watch this oh this a great this is a great this was anyone hasn’t caught it check out drunk turkey he’s putting out some
Phenomenal work later really is y dat their search and so they’re gonna look slightly different thank you now let’s move forward a little bit and I’ll show you guys something a little bit different that basically isn’t being played around anywhere else I wonder why let’s see is our position defense has a
Fundamental misunderstanding the difference between Pro snip profiles and traditional DNA comparisons and how that process works we start talking with Statistics and those sorts of things those don’t necessarily apply in the investigative geneology world so I don’t want there to be false expectations I certainly don’t want misled that things
Of relevance exist well that’s exactly what I’ve been saying this entire time that these things even though there’s two S&P profiles there could be 50 S&P profiles it doesn’t make a difference it don’t make a difference that doesn’t change the fact that Brian cober’s DNA match the DNA that was on the sheath
Through an Str Str profile that had nothing to do with the S&P profiles and if you don’t believe me that the SNP profile cannot affect the Str Str profile why don’t we ask the defenses witness so so my my question or my angle what wasn’t necessarily the science or
Anything behind it like to that extent it’s that an Str strr profile is cre cre it first and then you have the genetic stuff and the S&P profile my question is if something was done in your lab incorrectly whether it was a mishandling a you know contaminating thing or
Perhaps contaminated because she doesn’t have that or right anything anything there’s nothing there have DNA I thought you don’t have the DNA no I do not have the DNA but that does not mean that it doesn’t come to the lab with contamination you have to think I’m
Talking though I’m talking about so one thing that needs to be preferenced first is that she had stated prior to this that they don’t actually physically get the DNA at their genetic lab they get a basically a list of names and they have to go through all sorts of stuff to find
Out who this person is I’m not sure how much contamination slash how much interference or chain of custody can be lost with transfer of names you guys let me know in the comment section my my my my thing is basically what I’m trying to say is if something
Was done inappropriately or wrong or they use the wrong ancestry or 23 no no I’m talking about after the Str Str profile if goes wrong and there’s a Mand whatever the case may be how would that get the Str Str profile thrown out the the Str Str profile is not uh
It’s not created with the genealogist it’s created with the the state crime lab or the local crime lab so if whatever that he’s talking about before you ever get it what I’m saying is is there’s an Str Str profile that strr profile has nothing to do with what
I do nothing to do so my question that’s exactly what I wanted to know so because there’s a big question right now that if something was done in the creation of the snq profile that that would somehow get the Str Str profile thrown out the the theory is that there’s something
That the IGG and or the S&P profile or anything that somebody can do something there to get the Str Str profile thrown out so exactly so you’re not gonna have anything to compare it to so so let me let me just clarify so I’m I’m referencing just just so knows I’m
Referencing the fruit of the Poise tree is what I’m trying to get I totally get what you’re getting at and I will tell you this when the Str profile is created it it is created on its own prior to IGG involvement it can be sent the DNA that
Sent to the third party lab for IGG can be sent from the same DNA in the same tube but but the Str profile is already created it has nothing to do with what I do but but the St profile is already created it has nothing to do with what I
Do but but the Str profile is already happening nothing to do with what I there you have it straight from the defenses TR profile has nothing to do with the SNP profile well let me know in the comment section you think there’s something here or is this just some sort
Of Tom Foolery misdirection the whole nine yards and again okay that to me was one of the most fascinating exchanges I know any thoughts G you know you have a a good grip I think a little bit on more on the scientific um the the IG than I
Do do you have any thoughts on what uh drunk turkey was just talking about well they were confusing me a little bit but I I I was watching something else on this because there was um I think it’s like 132 page document on the IG process
And and everything that um I I’d seen drunk turkey go over line by line and he was highlighting it and I found that piece really interesting because um from from what I gathered the the IGG process didn’t have anything to do with um any type of arrest warrants or
Anything like that like that that came later that just came from when they were doing all of that that just helped them narrow down who they might be looking for but they don’t plan to use any of that I don’t think in their case right but um so I don’t really understand what
They were talking about with how she kept saying that has nothing to do with what I do that has nothing to do with what I do I just from all of this I think they’re putting so much emphasis on the IGG and in the scheme of things it doesn’t really have to do
With ultimately how they got BK’s DNA and um Affiliated it with with the touch DNA on the snap yeah and my thought on what I just heard was what the prosecution is saying is you are in a way bringing up something that is causing a nonissue in people’s heads because what
They’re saying is we want both Pro profiles from you although both samples come from the same place and they’re claiming they want both profiles making it sound like it’s two different profiles but they’re really just asking for the same profile in both forms formats um I think again the things that
They speculated on that large document with the IG and and they they believe that what the defense is going to try to do is to claim um that the IGG data didn’t necessarily have to be Brian Colberg it could have been how did they know that that Brian Colberg doesn’t have a
Brother out there somewhere and that could be his DNA so they’re they’re just trying to cast like doubt yeah so that they introduce Reasonable Doubt and even though it sounds far-fetched it’s like but we don’t know there could his father could have fed another child before he
Was with and that’s complete spec he probably didn’t but that it doesn’t have to be true for the defense to introduce doubt into the jury’s mind and so I think that’s why they’re asking for all this IGG data and in my opinion so that they can kind of try to spin stuff to
The jury and introduce doubt which is all they need to do yeah every time you say that it it it it makes it it puts it in a very precise perspective nobody’s trying they don’t have to prove anything wrong they don’t have to come out they
Don’t have to prove that he didn’t do it they just have to prove that it’s possible someone else could have done it and then that’s what creates Reasonable Doubt and then juror’s instructions are if you if you find Reasonable Doubt then you can’t you can’t say he’s
Guilty yeah um I mean the only other thing I’d really add to this evidence that they’re debating right now is part of this profile that the reason why part of this profile has to wait until December 1st before it’s turned over to defense is because it has to come from
The FBI and the reason why it hasn’t been turned over by the FBI to the Moscow Police Department before now now is because the doj the Department of Justice lit one of the highest branches in our government has to sign off on this because technically this is when
You take a profile from this format it’s technically an informant to the government um how this material is used and like um drunk turkey said so eloquently in our last live stream that we showed a clip of this is kind of similar to the way a lie detector test
Is treated when it comes to evidence it’s not here to um persecute someone in court right it’s a tool it’s a tool some along Lin it’s a tool it’s not evidence yeah and I’m just making sure I didn’t have anything else in the DNA I wanted to bring
Up um another point I wanted to bring up I’m kind of getting away from I I don’t have too much more on that but I do want to bring up a couple of points that I may not have had a chance to bring up in this live stream because they were just
Randoms and I didn’t have a category to put them in one of them is um the time frame within that that these unal livings happened has always been very tight somewhere between 10 15 minutes if not less and what I’ve come to hear from most of the experts who talk about I’ve
Heard at least two or three of them um in the last week talking about this basically if the incident was longer than that it would be nearly impossible for a one person to do the exhaustion that would come from doing this longer than that period of time is
Like not you’re not able to overcome that and so I just want to plus there’s a huge adrenaline rush and an emotional Rush while it’s happening as well and that’s something you have you wouldn’t be able to recover from or keep suspended for a long period of time so
Um I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m just saying that it does bode well to the time frame when these things happened and then yeah um I and jumping off on that one of the things I saw in one of drunk turkeys um where he had a
Couple of experts on um you know one of um I’m trying to remember his name was Steve one of his experts who seemed very knowledgeable with you know forensics and police work and all of that kind of stuff and he was saying that if you have any experience
With someone who is in a fight with with you know making four people on a live the amount of like exertion that takes and as he said one person after about nine minutes is going to be completely spent in one of his theories was that could possibly explain
Why there were two people left alive um in the house because he was just spent and done and his you know his adrenaline had worn off and he was exhausted because you would be and he said you know this guy said look I I
Could I when I was in my 20s I could have done that but no more probably like eight to 10 minutes and he’s like now I could still fight but I’d last 30 seconds so like I think he was just pointing out like even someone who was
In really decent shape the amount of exertion it would take to to to make four people on a live in that period of time just the level of of the exertion would would wear him out he’d probably be sweating you know there there would be way more DNA I think than one one
Single Source on the snap of a sheath right now that doesn’t mean that there isn’t and that there wasn’t because we don’t know all the DNA that they have and the prosecution could have a much stronger case than that one single source of DNA because that’s all that
Came out before the gag order to the best my knowledge so we don’t know what they have and they could have a lot more DNA which would be really really good for the prosecution’s case which is why I think the defense is trying so hard to see all of that other
IGG data so that they can make their own arguments as to uh the defense for BK that’s fascinating and I think i’ I think I saw the exact same show as you um it was pretty it was um intense food for thought thought yes that’s kind of a
Good segue into another one of my points which is when I was listening to a profiler talk about why there might have been two roommates left um or why if if there wasn’t a pre-targeting why these particular rooms were targeted Ted Bundy was an example that
Was given and he entered he had a a killing sort of similarly in in sority house and the question arose later on in his years why were some people picked and others not why did you go to some rooms and then skip right over others
Like it it was a big question and he said it was very simple I went into the rooms that weren’t locked so there you go um not only am I saying that to just you know help the case I’m also saying that to everybody out there lock your doors absolutely lock your
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